>how does he act in this? he plays a corrupted lawyer right??
He plays the lawyer of a guilty man. So just a normal lawyer. His "acting" is just him yelling really loud.
The ending sounds embarrassing.
It wouldn't be as bad as it is if Wes Anderson hadn't done the exact same meta storytelling aspect much better in his movie earlier this year. But yeah, it sucked, and it seemed especially indulgent given that he had already done the Tom Cruise "Thanks for seeing the movie in theaters" before the start of the movie.
Somehow, for me, it felt shorter than Oppenheimer despite it being longer. However, as another anon said, I think it should have ended right after Ernest answers the question about the insulin and Mollie walks out
Oppenheimer did the pacing infinitely better than Killers of the Flower Moon. The last third of Oppenheimer is the payoff. The last third of Killers of the Flower Moon is a slog.
>The last third of Oppenheimer is the payoff. >The last third of Killers of the Flower Moon is a slog.
This right here. That was the purpose of pacing as a narrative technique: the buildup and payoff.
If it doesn't serve this purpose, then it's just used to elongate the runtime to create the appearance of prestige (blue balling).
Even old grindhouse films knew that their extra-slow pacing had to payoff with rapid fast paced horror/thrills at the end; else it's just a really really shitty grind for the viewer.
I agree. Interminably so. Especially the last act. I've heard them say in interviews that they didn't want to do another procedural thriller but that was what the last act tried to turn into. Except that it was pointless. We already know what happened because of the exposition in the previous acts.
i watched it in theater, martin doesn't intro the movie. i got some gay video with nicole kidman talking about how going to the theater is special and streaming/torrenting movies at home is SOVLESS
Is this movie secretly redpilled? The story is about a prosperous tribe of Native American oil barons who are subverted by a parasitic, low iq, greedy immigrant class that racemixes with their daughters, breeds out their bloodlines, and steals their civilized land. Is this not a blatant inversion of whats happen to current day Native Americans (White people)? To any normie this is just another indigenous good white bad movie from a washed up boomer, but modern parallels are so stark its impossible Scorsese didnt know he was making a story about modern Whites getting genocided. It even felt like he made DeNiro as israeli as possible and Leo as naggerfied as possible..
Is it? I really like some of Scorcese's movies, notably the Last Temptation of Christ, Silence, and Taxi Driver, but I can't be bothered to watch his mobster movies. The genre just doesn't interest me.
I've always assumed his mobster movies glorified mobsters more than anything but maybe it's the same situation as with Scarface where a non-negligeable part of the fanbase is obnoxiously mistaken on how to view the main character.
>I've always assumed his mobster movies glorified mobsters more than anything
Because Scorsese is a voyeurist director; he even says so himself in his self-insert in Taxi Driver.
He tapped into gangster porn and the "psychological profiling" of these mobsters is very appealing to genteel normies.
I liked it a lot. It has the impeccable craft that one comes to expect with Scorsese. The performances are top notch barring a few exceptions. And unlike a few anons, the score totally worked for me. I also thought the extremely meta ending was highly effective. Scorsese always has something interesting to offer and I hope this isn’t the last time we get a new film from him.
I have 2 gripes:
1) I feel that the movie may have showed it’s full hand a bit too early. De Niro and DiCaprio’s intentions are made incredibly clear right at the beginning of the film. I think it might have been more interesting to hold back early in the film, so that some shocking reveals could come later on.
2) I would have liked a little more detail regarding the FBI investigation. I understand that Scorsese deliberately shifted the focus away from the investigation in order to avoid the predictable “white saviour” narrative. But the result was an investigation that almost seemed to solve itself.
I guess both of my gripes boil down to the same idea: I wanted a little more mystery. I wanted to be a little bit more surprised as the story unfolded. Still, it was a totally worthwhile movie. Since I’m longposting, I guess I’ll give it a score: 8/10
>I wanted to be a little bit more surprised as the story unfolded
I wholeheartedly agree. I know this movie was based on true events and you can just google the outcome, but still a little twist or something would have been nice.
I liked it a lot. It has the impeccable craft that one comes to expect with Scorsese. The performances are top notch barring a few exceptions. And unlike a few anons, the score totally worked for me. I also thought the extremely meta ending was highly effective. Scorsese always has something interesting to offer and I hope this isn’t the last time we get a new film from him.
I have 2 gripes:
1) I feel that the movie may have showed it’s full hand a bit too early. De Niro and DiCaprio’s intentions are made incredibly clear right at the beginning of the film. I think it might have been more interesting to hold back early in the film, so that some shocking reveals could come later on.
2) I would have liked a little more detail regarding the FBI investigation. I understand that Scorsese deliberately shifted the focus away from the investigation in order to avoid the predictable “white saviour” narrative. But the result was an investigation that almost seemed to solve itself.
I guess both of my gripes boil down to the same idea: I wanted a little more mystery. I wanted to be a little bit more surprised as the story unfolded. Still, it was a totally worthwhile movie. Since I’m longposting, I guess I’ll give it a score: 8/10
The movie was never about the investigation. In the book, it takes the FBI and PIs several years to connect everything. They knew Hale was involved but couldn't pin anything against him. I think the movie was trying to make a point that, yes, it is obvious who is controlling everything, but nobody really cares. The only reason the FBI even got involved was bc Hoover needed to restore the reputation of the bureau, and the Osage murders seemed like an easy case.
Great filmmaking, boring premise. Not to mention it was very predictable and the ending was shit. Deniro killed it though and I actually loved the soundtrack. 5, maybe 6/10
i definitely got a "whitey bad" message from the movie. how they depicted all the whites as dumb, low class, and shadey. they tried to make whites seem as naggerish as possible. felt like propaganda to try to make people sympathize with naggers. as if nagger behavior is a income/poverty thing and not something innate to naggers.
RETARD!! have you ever seen a fuckin scorsese movie before?? they are all about white people doing evil shit! How the fuck is this movie any different to Goodfellas???
promotional material for those movies wasn't some annoying squaw bragging about her big break in movies. if your marketing is pandering bullshit, i'm out.
i nearly missed seeing the animated tarzan movie because disney figured the best way to market it was to fellate phil collins
its BWC kino. even knowing the white dudes are after their money, even while suspecting that white dudes are killing them to get that money, the brownoid girls surrender themselves to BWC, while the brownoid men bitch and moan about it and try to guilt trip the women from race mixing. but it doesn't work. BWC just wins. cucks lose.
I didn't like it that much.
It was too long and dull. I feel like they needed to explore more about the Osage people and really differentiate them from other native Americans and go into more depth of what was happening to them and why because the movie did a shitty job explaining why they were so victimized not just by the townspeople but by Washington. They could have done so much because the actual story of the people is so sad and depressing.
Really bad idea to have the main character be one of the "bad guys" who's one note the entire movie instead of focusing on one of the Osage people. Lily Gladstone played Mollie very well but she wasn't given enough to do as a character.
That ending scene was so fucking hammy I almost burst out laughing thinking I was watching some random Wes Anderson flick
Should have waited to catch this one on streaming.
So let me get this straight. You want a scorsese film...about wealth and greed in the 1920s...with corrupt white people...killing indians...and nobody suffers any consequences...and everyone has a good time...and the audience doesn't feel bad...
I TOLD HIM THE FRONT OF THE HEAD, I POINTED RIGHT HERE
For me it was kino, I loved these cro magnons digging themselves into deeper holes with every crime
>we made a new leo movie about injuns
i will watch your movie >i made a movie with leo about how my people are just so gosh danged hard done by an-
shut the fuck up, you will never get my money
right, but this isnt some made up fantasy disney bullshit. This is coming from possibly the best living filmmaker of our time, and it pulls no punches. SPOILER. the indians DID get fucked up!! Watch the fuckin movie
i don't care where the whiny interviews came from or why they did them. advertising your movie this way makes me not want to see the movie >Watch the fuckin movie
piss off, learn to make me WANT to
shame Strays is incapable of producing an appealing ad or you might be correct.
i dunno why a scorcese film fucked it up so bad in this way though, or why you're so upset over it.
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I guess i just cant understand he mindset that someone wouldn't want to watch what could possibly be the last film, from one of the most talented directors of our time, because of some fuckin promo from a nobody actor... seems no different to saying 'i GOTTA watch the new flash movie, because Keaton bat man is in it!!!'
I liked it but the pacing was definitely off. It felt like the BOI showed up and had it all figured out in 5 minutes, but then the film lasts another hour somehow. Also were the Osage not only the richest, but also the most credulous people in earth? I wish they'd given us a reason why an attractive wealthy young woman like Mollie would shack up with some random simpleton like Leo. We got some throwaway lines about him being handsome and having a rich uncle but it didn't make much sense.
Mollie was a diabetic back when that meant invalidity. Ernest wasn't a bad husband-he was a dullard which is part of why she liked him, but his uncle was more conniving than she was which was why she ended up on the short end of the stick. Nothing about the relationship was really jarring, but the pacing did suck ass.
Would have much preferred to see the events unfold from meth damons perspective. The film was solid but ultimately fucking boring. A guileless dullard is a hard sell for a leading character. De Niro was great.
The score was absolutely abysmal
I agree the western blues theme throughout the entire film did not work
Why was this the first post about this movie? I came here looking for it
There were lots of threads yesterday.
and https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/190788341/#190788834
I've seen a thread almost everyday here in typical Cinemaphile fashion complaining about it
Uh huh. hmm yes. of course.
what?
It's very good, but it's at least an hour too fucking long.
That is Scorsese unfortunately
He didn't have this problem with most of his filmography.
He still has something left in him but he needs to be reined in.
Nevermind. He's fucking senile and the actors and the original book carried the movie.
This was fucking awful. I haven't seen The Whale but if this is how he acted the whole time I have no doubt that it was a pity award.
>how he acted
how does he act in this? he plays a corrupted lawyer right??
>how does he act in this? he plays a corrupted lawyer right??
He plays the lawyer of a guilty man. So just a normal lawyer. His "acting" is just him yelling really loud.
It wouldn't be as bad as it is if Wes Anderson hadn't done the exact same meta storytelling aspect much better in his movie earlier this year. But yeah, it sucked, and it seemed especially indulgent given that he had already done the Tom Cruise "Thanks for seeing the movie in theaters" before the start of the movie.
Scorsese needs to let go before he ends up like Ridley Scott.
what are you talking about, did some screenings started with scorsese speaking to camera?
Yes? You didn't get Scorsese talking to the camera and saying he respected Osage tradition before your showing?
He recently said he was inspired by Ari Aster's pacing for this film, so there's the why
Can someone explain why glacial pacing is still used today?
Somehow, for me, it felt shorter than Oppenheimer despite it being longer. However, as another anon said, I think it should have ended right after Ernest answers the question about the insulin and Mollie walks out
>it felt shorter than Oppenheimer despite it being longer
the "magic" of pacing
Oppenheimer did the pacing infinitely better than Killers of the Flower Moon. The last third of Oppenheimer is the payoff. The last third of Killers of the Flower Moon is a slog.
>The last third of Oppenheimer is the payoff.
>The last third of Killers of the Flower Moon is a slog.
This right here. That was the purpose of pacing as a narrative technique: the buildup and payoff.
If it doesn't serve this purpose, then it's just used to elongate the runtime to create the appearance of prestige (blue balling).
Even old grindhouse films knew that their extra-slow pacing had to payoff with rapid fast paced horror/thrills at the end; else it's just a really really shitty grind for the viewer.
I agree. Interminably so. Especially the last act. I've heard them say in interviews that they didn't want to do another procedural thriller but that was what the last act tried to turn into. Except that it was pointless. We already know what happened because of the exposition in the previous acts.
I'M ACTING
Did he forget to take off the fat suit?
no, that came with the hat
Sorry I can’t even spare 3.5 hours to shitpost
240p cam rip available?
The ending sounds embarrassing.
without the ending, the movie would continue for another 2 hours
It was the next part.
>movie starts with Marty introducing the film and ends with him sending it off
It was theaterkino
It started with the Osage tribe finding oil and burying the pipe baby
Not if you watch it in the theater, thats why I specifically said theaterkino
i watched it in theater, martin doesn't intro the movie. i got some gay video with nicole kidman talking about how going to the theater is special and streaming/torrenting movies at home is SOVLESS
did it even happen or is it made up history like holocaust movies
hell yeah it happened! we fucked those red homosexuals up, put em in camps, all that. took their land, poisoned em. fuck em.
retard
>u retart bcuz moofies tol' me ebby tang I need ta no!!
Good goy. Suck down dat slop.
Is this movie secretly redpilled? The story is about a prosperous tribe of Native American oil barons who are subverted by a parasitic, low iq, greedy immigrant class that racemixes with their daughters, breeds out their bloodlines, and steals their civilized land. Is this not a blatant inversion of whats happen to current day Native Americans (White people)? To any normie this is just another indigenous good white bad movie from a washed up boomer, but modern parallels are so stark its impossible Scorsese didnt know he was making a story about modern Whites getting genocided. It even felt like he made DeNiro as israeli as possible and Leo as naggerfied as possible..
modern whites yuropoors are about as gullible and retarded as the osage are portrayed in the film
they even make like two remarks of 'you're as cheap as a israelite'
you niggas are so fucking boring and one track minded
what was your take anon?
i haven't seen it
>(his)story about Natives parasited by Whites
>N-NOOOOOOO :sobs: THIS IS ABOUT THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZ T-TRUST ME
get help, sincerly
>Is this movie secretly redpilled?
no. Sick of you paid shills trying this narrative every single time.
Still not watching it Martin.
Is it? I really like some of Scorcese's movies, notably the Last Temptation of Christ, Silence, and Taxi Driver, but I can't be bothered to watch his mobster movies. The genre just doesn't interest me.
I've always assumed his mobster movies glorified mobsters more than anything but maybe it's the same situation as with Scarface where a non-negligeable part of the fanbase is obnoxiously mistaken on how to view the main character.
Never assume anything.
>I've always assumed his mobster movies glorified mobsters more than anything
Because Scorsese is a voyeurist director; he even says so himself in his self-insert in Taxi Driver.
He tapped into gangster porn and the "psychological profiling" of these mobsters is very appealing to genteel normies.
Is that the YMS dogfucker?
She looks like a huge bitch
I thought the same thing but she’s actually not. The character, I mean. I don’t know about the actress.
Well, literally.
She's unironically a perfect tradwife but hooked up with a low IQ white man out to swindle her of her money.
I have found neither a heya, nor a hoya in this thread. someone explain
heyhowareya heyhowareya
Don't care. Not watching it.
Was surprised with how good of a performance De Niro gave. Much better than his role in the Irishmen.
>Much better than his role in the Irishmen.
I'll post it as a sobering reminder
I liked it a lot. It has the impeccable craft that one comes to expect with Scorsese. The performances are top notch barring a few exceptions. And unlike a few anons, the score totally worked for me. I also thought the extremely meta ending was highly effective. Scorsese always has something interesting to offer and I hope this isn’t the last time we get a new film from him.
I have 2 gripes:
1) I feel that the movie may have showed it’s full hand a bit too early. De Niro and DiCaprio’s intentions are made incredibly clear right at the beginning of the film. I think it might have been more interesting to hold back early in the film, so that some shocking reveals could come later on.
2) I would have liked a little more detail regarding the FBI investigation. I understand that Scorsese deliberately shifted the focus away from the investigation in order to avoid the predictable “white saviour” narrative. But the result was an investigation that almost seemed to solve itself.
I guess both of my gripes boil down to the same idea: I wanted a little more mystery. I wanted to be a little bit more surprised as the story unfolded. Still, it was a totally worthwhile movie. Since I’m longposting, I guess I’ll give it a score: 8/10
>I wanted to be a little bit more surprised as the story unfolded
I wholeheartedly agree. I know this movie was based on true events and you can just google the outcome, but still a little twist or something would have been nice.
The movie was never about the investigation. In the book, it takes the FBI and PIs several years to connect everything. They knew Hale was involved but couldn't pin anything against him. I think the movie was trying to make a point that, yes, it is obvious who is controlling everything, but nobody really cares. The only reason the FBI even got involved was bc Hoover needed to restore the reputation of the bureau, and the Osage murders seemed like an easy case.
It was shit. Hallmark movie with good casting/cinematography
Great filmmaking, boring premise. Not to mention it was very predictable and the ending was shit. Deniro killed it though and I actually loved the soundtrack. 5, maybe 6/10
>LE WHITE PIPO BAD: The Movie
No thanks
Is it really like that? I didn’t think so.
i definitely got a "whitey bad" message from the movie. how they depicted all the whites as dumb, low class, and shadey. they tried to make whites seem as naggerish as possible. felt like propaganda to try to make people sympathize with naggers. as if nagger behavior is a income/poverty thing and not something innate to naggers.
RETARD!! have you ever seen a fuckin scorsese movie before?? they are all about white people doing evil shit! How the fuck is this movie any different to Goodfellas???
To other whites, it didn't have a nagger lecturing every time a white does something bad
no, his previous films were about wops, micks and israelite doing evil shit, zero white people
promotional material for those movies wasn't some annoying squaw bragging about her big break in movies. if your marketing is pandering bullshit, i'm out.
i nearly missed seeing the animated tarzan movie because disney figured the best way to market it was to fellate phil collins
The movie is based on a true story. In that time and place, whites were really behaving like what you call "naggers" to the Indians.
The FBI guys weren't all these though
Look at that dour puss. There's literally zero pumpkin energy in that puss.
>the white man is... le evil
>muh noble savage
go woke, go broke
its BWC kino. even knowing the white dudes are after their money, even while suspecting that white dudes are killing them to get that money, the brownoid girls surrender themselves to BWC, while the brownoid men bitch and moan about it and try to guilt trip the women from race mixing. but it doesn't work. BWC just wins. cucks lose.
Is this a trans woman?
No, that's BJ Penn.
I didn't like it that much.
It was too long and dull. I feel like they needed to explore more about the Osage people and really differentiate them from other native Americans and go into more depth of what was happening to them and why because the movie did a shitty job explaining why they were so victimized not just by the townspeople but by Washington. They could have done so much because the actual story of the people is so sad and depressing.
Really bad idea to have the main character be one of the "bad guys" who's one note the entire movie instead of focusing on one of the Osage people. Lily Gladstone played Mollie very well but she wasn't given enough to do as a character.
That ending scene was so fucking hammy I almost burst out laughing thinking I was watching some random Wes Anderson flick
Should have waited to catch this one on streaming.
So let me get this straight. You want a scorsese film...about wealth and greed in the 1920s...with corrupt white people...killing indians...and nobody suffers any consequences...and everyone has a good time...and the audience doesn't feel bad...
The movie is kino but why is everyone acting like such retards and not realising the obvious ?
I TOLD HIM THE FRONT OF THE HEAD, I POINTED RIGHT HERE
For me it was kino, I loved these cro magnons digging themselves into deeper holes with every crime
And a "mup da doo po mo mu'fugga bix nood" to you too nagger.
What a fucking bore of a movie, these senile old fucks like Scorsese and DeNigro need to stop making shit movies
DeNiro still can act
yeah, why judge a movie on the movie itself, when you could judge it on fucking promo material. kill yo self
>we made a new leo movie about injuns
i will watch your movie
>i made a movie with leo about how my people are just so gosh danged hard done by an-
shut the fuck up, you will never get my money
simple as
right, but this isnt some made up fantasy disney bullshit. This is coming from possibly the best living filmmaker of our time, and it pulls no punches. SPOILER. the indians DID get fucked up!! Watch the fuckin movie
i don't care where the whiny interviews came from or why they did them. advertising your movie this way makes me not want to see the movie
>Watch the fuckin movie
piss off, learn to make me WANT to
you are beyond retarded. Why are you even on Cinemaphile??? if you saw a cool ad for Strays you would be first in line to watch that shit
shame Strays is incapable of producing an appealing ad or you might be correct.
i dunno why a scorcese film fucked it up so bad in this way though, or why you're so upset over it.
I guess i just cant understand he mindset that someone wouldn't want to watch what could possibly be the last film, from one of the most talented directors of our time, because of some fuckin promo from a nobody actor... seems no different to saying 'i GOTTA watch the new flash movie, because Keaton bat man is in it!!!'
stop interacting with zoomers
I genuinely felt sick while watching this movie. All those poor people were killed so coldly all for some cash.
good thing nobody would ever inflict such profitable damage on the lower classes in modern times
Oh I know they do. I'm not ignorant of that either
>Implying Native Americans are people
I'm watching a camrip on fmoviesz and its all so boring
Irishman is like the Godfather in comparison
>Irishman was better
Wrong.
irishman showed the true ending of a killer's life and demistified all the gangsters as being fucking dickheads who sold their best friends out
this, this is just a fucking activist movie
>3 1/2 hours of white people bad
No, I dont think I will.
>DUMB BOY
she looks like that movie critic guy who fucks dogs
Meum no-likeum moving picture
leo big heap famous star
We're the Burkharts israeli? Ernest gets called a israelite twice
I liked it but the pacing was definitely off. It felt like the BOI showed up and had it all figured out in 5 minutes, but then the film lasts another hour somehow. Also were the Osage not only the richest, but also the most credulous people in earth? I wish they'd given us a reason why an attractive wealthy young woman like Mollie would shack up with some random simpleton like Leo. We got some throwaway lines about him being handsome and having a rich uncle but it didn't make much sense.
Mollie was a diabetic back when that meant invalidity. Ernest wasn't a bad husband-he was a dullard which is part of why she liked him, but his uncle was more conniving than she was which was why she ended up on the short end of the stick. Nothing about the relationship was really jarring, but the pacing did suck ass.
What did we think of /ourguy/s performance
it was pretty bad bro
He’s barely in the movie.
>3 hours of white people bad
No thanks
>Snowflake cannot accept that whites are not always Angels.
Would have much preferred to see the events unfold from meth damons perspective. The film was solid but ultimately fucking boring. A guileless dullard is a hard sell for a leading character. De Niro was great.
>NOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE BAD STUFF THAT PEOPLE OF MY BELOVED RACE DID
>YEARS EARLIER: NOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY SANTA DOES NOT EXIIIIIST AAAAAH
Imagine seeing a 3.5hr long drama in theaters...
Imagine watching it any other way..
>people actually like this mediocre film
capeshit and it’s celebration of mediocrity has truly rotten people’s brains
Kino
I enjoyed every bit of it
Thought it was meh then Scorsese’s appearance at the end made me cringe that much I left.
This movie sucked and I liked The Irishman. Was there a single memorable scene?
De Niro played the sociopath so fucking well
Why isn't their a torrent of it yet?