ZOOMER here. I am watching Buffy the vampire slayer for the first time and found it cringe
ZOOMER here. I am watching Buffy the Vampire slayer for the first time and found it cringe
ZOOMER here. I am watching Buffy the vampire slayer for the first time and found it cringe
Millenial here (born 1994). I watched Buffy the Vampire though for the first time and found it kino
I hate it, too. My mother is watching an episode now and I can't stop cringing.
t. late '80s baby
There won't be enough trannies in it for you homosexuals.
It gets better around halfway through season 2. Season 1 is kinda cringe but at least it's the entertaining kind of cringe. Especially that one episode where Willow gets catfished by a demon on the internet
The last episode of season 1 is pure kino, that's when I fell in love with the show
indeed
Every time I introduce people to the show I make a deal that they just have to watch one season with me and I'll watch one season of whatever they want. I've had to sit through a lot of boring reality TV and so on but the s1 finale literally never fails. Usually how it goes is people make fun of it being so dated for the first few episodes and enjoy it in a half-watching sort of way. Some of the monsters of the week they sorta tune out but none of it is bad, just not anything special.
Then they get to the finale and they're hooked. Immediately on to s2 and they binge the whole rest of the series. It never fails.
Buffy S1 is very cheesy and kinda cringe but every show these days is ten times more cringe. Half the appeal of Buffy is the cheesy 90s aesthetics and the fun high school setting.
I rec people to start with S2 because nowadays most ppl struggle to watch a single episode esp of something that's as "dated" as Buffy's first season. S1 is unironically one of the best though it's better than the last 2 seasons.
Prophecy Girl is 10/10
Because of Whedon every marvel / superhero / blockbuster / teen drama is a quipfest
Actually watch Buffy S4 and Angel S1 together then do the same with BS5 + AS2 and THEN you switch to Angel because after the S5 finale that's when the show thematically ends and Angel is just a better show
Smile Time > Not Fade Away is the best run of episodes in the entire Buffyverse
Season 4 is the biggest slump every other season is solid and even S4 is mostly watchable it's just not as replayable due to the season-long storyline that drags on for too long
Do you not find that Sarah Michelle Gellar (SMG) is hot as frick?
I love WIllow
gross
It kinda is. Its success infected the world with despicable Whedon quips, even though it worked better in this form
You need to look past the cringe, it has some of the best writing of a tv series period
Wasnt it like a WB tv show? They all sucked.
I'd rather watch Charmed.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
buffy is fricking kino and if you cant appreciate it you might need to kys
Buffy and Charmed are both coomer shit and you should be ashamed. Supernatural is way better.
Just watched supernatural up until season12 episode 6.
It becomes unwatchable after the end of season 11.
does it get any better later?
Season 14 and 15 are pretty good
Seasons 12 and 13 are so bland I don't remember what happened in them
i only watched the first 1 or 2 seasons
it was aboot the guy looking for the demon who killed his GF, but i never found out before i moved on (timeslot changed and i found other shows to watch at the time)
and years later i found out it just became a demon and angel shitshow
Supernatural also has coom bait sometimes but they intentionally killed female characters that ran their course because it pissed off fans
supernatural is homosexual shit
Supernatural is just coomer shit for Tumblrinas
Watch until 'Innocence' (s2e14) and then make a judgement
watch Buffy until Angel leaves and gets his own...then switch to watching Angel.
how tf do you watch angel, they made hotchick annoying and obnoxious and the rest of is gay helping poor Black folk cringeshit. like the last possible thing you could want from a show about a vampire
did you make it past the first episode? Because there is a lot of character development in Angel...its actually really good.
probably a few. cant imagine how good it would have to be to keep watching the weepy shit I saw
When things get rough he just hides behind his Buffy and now he's getting huffy because he knows that I know.
i have a theory...
it is cringe, the season with eliza dushku is kinda good in a schlocky way though. use a watch guide and skip 95% of s1 and then whenever the network change happens (when the sister materializes or whatever shit drop it) and it's watchable again as schlock
>use a watch guide
pls elaborate
https://liztellsfrank.com/2019/12/03/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-angel-the-unified-skip-it-watch-it-guide/
>The Puppet Show”: Skip it.
What a complete trash list. Puppet Show is pure unadulterated kino. Won't bother looking past that, because this spaz doesn't know what he's talking about.
He also says if you want a happy ending for Angel to stop at Smile Time. Thats absolute bullshit, the ramp up to what happens at the end of Angel is fricking fantastic. Why would he tell people not to watch the end because it isnt "happy". The ending is fricking great, whoever wrote that is a dumb frick
lol, I stopped reading after seeing how bad the first few of the recommendations were. What a complete moron.
Buffy is a super kino show (as is Angel) -- They both have their rough edges but with a few exceptions, even the janky ones are fun.
Buffy was a mid-season replacement for some shitty soap so they had very little prep time and the aforementioned jankiness is there in season 1 as a result (it's still a lot of fun though) by season 2 they knew what they were doing and season 3 slaps HARD.
> ywn play PS1 games and cuddle with prime Eliza Dushku
i'd much rather run through the rain back to my dingy yet romantic apartment and slowly undress prime SMG as she sits shivering on my bed and then whisper that tell her i love her for the first time and kiss her and taste her salty tears of happiness and then lean out of frame together if you know what i'm saying
Puppet show is like the best monster of the week episode in s1 and proof the show could be more. Its fricking fantastic.
>use a watch guide
He's accusing you of being an ADD babby, don't give him the satisfaction. Be a man and watch the whole thing.
sounds like you have autism, low standards and no sense time value
>don't form your own opinions on what the best episodes are
>watch serialized television shows in random order with zero context
>all so you can pretend you have something to contribute to conversations about it
Sounds like your standards for television viewing are even lower. Watch guides are fine for shit like SNL, Seinfeld, and other shows that just reset at the end of every episode, but with shit like this it's just being lazy and shallow.
>no sense of time value
Where do you think you are right now?
Zoomers are the lowest peasant caste born in america that have to buy pizza with credit cards
Nothing that you yell at better generations actually matters
>Character introduction wraps up into a little bow within one page. UGH
The first season definitely stumbled a bit trying to figure out what it wanted to be, but it's prime late 90s kino. Stick with it.
It's hard to believe now since it's been so dominant in movie and tv writing for so long, but Whedon dialogue was very innovative and refreshing at the time. It also came right on the heels of a decade of media that took edgy vampire shit too seriously, so the audience was ready for something that spoofed the genre a bit.
just watch the first two seasons and if you still dont like it after that give up
Angel was better. Which is surprising, because Angel was kind of cringe in Buffy.
both Angel and Wesley were cringe on Buffy but get serious character development on Angel. It really is the better show
Angel (the show) was the Deep Space 9 to Buffy's Next Generation, and Angel and Wesley were the Worf and O'Brien of the Buffyverse.
This is highly accurate.
who is the equivalent of TNG's wesley?
xander
I haven't seen Angel since it aired on tv, but iirc it kind of slumps in the middle seasons and then picks up again in the final season. I remember being surprised at how good the last season ending up being because I hadn't liked the show in a while when it started and was only watching out of habit at that point.
The whole Connor storyline in season 4 is a bit of a mess but season 5 is really, really good, yeah.
Indeed, glad they basicaly wrote him out for season 5. Season 5 slap hard. It is really good, but will also hit you hard in the feels.
Season 5 is pure kino until the extremelly rushed ending. Feel like they added a lot of stuff planned for the cancelled season 6
1981'er here
i never watched it when it was on the air, but recently streamed the first half dozen episodes of s1, and i agree, it's pretty bad. if i want to see SMG, i'll just watch cruel intentions. perhaps the thing that bothers me the most about buffy about it is how quickly these high school normies in the show accept the supernatural, yet at the same time we're supposed to believe that society at large is in the dark about it.
First 3 seasons were really fun when I watched them years ago. I dropped it during the 4th season and haven't gone back since.
GET IN HERE
For me? It's Faith and Dawn
I’m a zoomer too. Watched up to halfway through the first college season then realized the show lost its charm now that it’s not in high school. Guess I’ll continue sometime since I hear Angel is kino
This was HUGE in the 90s, and a ton of the fashion and culture is obviously historically accurate. Just know that any gay or minority nonsense inserted into the show was generally made fun of at the time.
Bitches be walking around in leather jackets all because of this show
>zoomer homosexual larping as a millennial
no one cared about gay and minority stuff in shows in the late '90s because it wasn't constantly shoved down everyone's throats
and buffy wasn't "HUGE", homosexual, it was a niche show for teenagers on the fricking WB that aired alongside Dawson's Creek (which was a much more popular show)
only zoomers like you think it was "HUGE IN THE '90S OMG" because it's quality lead to it maintaining a fanbase long after those other shows have faded away
You couldnt flip through the channels without seeing a promo for this, or Sarah Michelle Gellar.
It was fricking everywhere, malls had posters of it, there were parodies of it, what was left of MTV shilled it, and anyone who had a girlfriend knew about it. The WB was new, and everyone knew this was THE show on the WB, besides Dawsons Creek.
Stop pretending it wasnt huge when it was.
It was big among a subsection of the teen market, but it never got anywhere near what main network shows were getting in terms of ratings.
It was EVERYWHERE.
More than Dawsons Creek, which was basically another teen soap opera. You couldnt get away from it, even if you didnt watch the WB, or tv in general. Its why Gellar was in a bunch of 90s movies, and the Dawsons Creek kids really werent.
There's a reason they had to change networks my guy. Also, Scream 2 and I Know What You Did Last Summer might have something to do with that too lol.
>There's a reason they had to change networks my guy
Yeah, because the WB went under. They used "Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Sarah Michelle Gellar" in all of her promos. Get over it, I was there, I remember. And I didnt even watch it.
>I was there
So was I, motherfricker. Even 7th Heaven was a bigger show than Buffy for general audiences.
When did MTV shill that or give it awards? Where where the posters and tshirts for it? Because there were all kinds of that for Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Youre going off tv ratings, which leads me to believe you werent there.
You realize not everybody in the 90s was a Pauly Shore-tier teenager, right?
You realize Pauly Shore was in the 80s, right?
In the sense that he was alive, yeah, but nobody fricking heard of him until the 90s.
Pauly Shore was associated with hair bands on MTV, which were largely dead by 1992
You werent there
>largely associated with hair metal on MTV
To fricking who lol, the wiki article you pulled that from? Most people know him from his movies.
>Most people know him from his movies.
Pauly Shore? He was known as the idiot that musicians pretended to make fun of on MTV, that was his whole shtick, its how he got into movies
Anyone who was there knows this
biodome and encino man were 90's
so no he wasnt an 80's guy
>biodome and encino man were 90's
>so no he wasnt an 80's guy
That was the end of whatever popularity he had, in the early early 90s
he was a VJ on MTV in the 80s, thats where he got his popularity
as a leaf i never knew that also mtv was pretty new back then wasnt it? so i doubt many people watched it and prolly didnt care for the vj's if they did.
thats like anyone remebering muchmusics vjs unless they watched alot of MM(like me)
pauly was still a nobody until the 90s when he was actually in movies...popular ones at that
MTV started in the early 80s
Pauly Shore was one of the more popular VJs in the 80s, its how he as popular enough to be in movies, which were then heavily marketed on MTV.
MTV was way more popular than MuchMusic, its not even close.
im not comparing the music channels popularity since usa prolly didnt even get MM and canada would have to pay extra to get mtv(first time i saw mtv was 96 cause family friends had satellite channels)
the point is music channels were mainly watched for ....get this the music videos, anyone caring or remembering the vjs is extremely low. maybe you are a rare person who watched pauly in the 80's but he was a nobody till his 90's movies
>first time i saw mtv was 96
Ah so you dont remember the massive marketing that was done, like the Waynes World specials, A sneek peeks into everything that was coming out? Escape from LA was a big marketing thing on MTV ffs, there was a time when everything ran through MTV, thats how we got Kari Wuhrer
well i wasnt a teen in the late 80's so i wouldn't know of the vjs
mtv isnt the only place that did specials or commercials for things. dont know what the point of that post was even for
Kari Wuhrer, Nia Peeples, Julie Brown, Martha Quinn
These are all MTV VJs who got into movies just because they were on MTV
ok so?
most people (especialy back then) wouldn't know or care that an actor was a vj before they got big
the only one of those people i even know of is kari
>When did MTV shill that or give it awards?
Buffy never won a single MTV award... because MTV didn't do TV awards back then, you unbelievably moronic zoomer
>because MTV didn't do TV awards back then
Oh really? Those started in 1992.
Youre either lying or trolling.
they had the MTV Movie Awards and the MTV Video Music Awards
that was it
they didn't add TV to the movie awards until 2017
you fricking homosexual
This is verifiably false, but keep making stuff up
Stop acting like no one has internet and cant check you when this is an internet page
>cant check you when this is an internet page
Not OP but literally the first line on the wiki:
>The ceremony was renamed the MTV Movie & TV Awards for its 26th edition in 2017 to also honor work in television as well as film.
you're proving you weren't "there", homosexual
you're a moron zoomer who doesn't even know how to look shit up on the internet properly
kys
>shown up to be a giant try-hard homosexual larper
>no response
kek
F A G G O T
you're a fricking moron
Season 1 was still very experimental. Season 2 it's much better (and add 2-3 memorable characters, especially Spike that later inspired dozens of ripp offs in other shows) and the general consensus is that season 3 was the best
From season 4 onwards the series fork because Angel received his own spin off show, and the core cast was split.
Personally, Angel is overall a much better series than Buffy post season 4, and aged much better. Its less episodic "monster of the week" formula and more of a continous plot, especially from season 2 onwards.
The only weakness is that regarding specific memorable episodes, Buffy 1-3 wipes the floor of both Angel and the later seasons of Buffy
>Angel is overall a much better series than Buffy
But all the Connor shit is awful and it goes on for like two seasons, and it only gets saved because of season 5
Yea. It's a strange developed in which seasons 1-2-5 are kino (but the endings of season 2-5 may not be liked), while seasons 3-4 starts both good but later develop into a convoluted messes
I really think they should had made the Supreme Evil (Buffy Season 7 major villain) as the true mastermind behind the clusterfrick of season 4, given the two seasons aired at the same time
Angel S5 ending is based, but even Buffy has it's shitty seasonsm I didn't even finish Season 7 last time I watched it, never thought it was very good.
I really couldnt stand the rushed ending. The thorn council were litterally whos that i suppose were planned for season 6. Hamilton, McDonald, Illyria and so on all had rushed arcs in the last episodes
Some rushed shit aside the ending is great, going out swinging (presumably) they couldn't have done a much better job, imo.
And it's not just that, the rest of the season was the best of the two shows, while Buffy languished on S7 (which is arguably tied with S1 as the worst one) and talking of ending issues Anya is killed off with a literal shug and a "whatever".
some of the Angelus and Faith stuff in season 4 is pretty good, but yea season 4 was not the high point. I think the real life pregnancy of Charisma caused them to scramble and change things on the fly too. That is a pretty idea though about having a cross show villain
>That is a pretty idea though about having a cross show villain
This is what everyone tought while the first half of season 4 aired, with that frickhuge epic demon that kicked their asses. Its seems natural that he was some general of the Idea of Evil tasked to deal with Angel, to keep him busy and stops him from helping Buffy against his master
And as a villain it was actually much cooler than the boring, litterally who main villain that was revealed in the second half of the season
this. The Beast is a great villian, Jasmine is trash.
Angel season 3 is kino though especially the long drawn out storyline involving Angel's son, Holtz and Wesley's betrayal it's honestly one of the best written storylines in the entire buffyverse
Angel season 4 may be the weakest but it has some of the best action scenes in the whole series and it's pretty fun and enjoyable the first time watching. Just hard to sit through on rewatches. Even the Connor stuff wasn't as bad as I remembered especially at the end of the season when he breaks down and becomes suicidal.
the baby connor plot is one of the best season storylines and he isn't even that bad of a character in S4
Season 4 was a nonsensical shitshow look at the Cordy stuff. Connor sucks, period, and while it may have been so-so at the start it quickly got worse and worse as time went on.
I was referring to the baby connor plot in S3, and yeah i agree S4 is a mess but it's got some awesome moments
>I was referring to the baby connor plot in S3,
Same.
Connor was pretty cool in his last appearance.
>memorable episodes
Honestly idk about that, later seasons of buffy are the ones that have the extremely memorable episodes like The Body, Hush, and so on. The later seasons are more uneven, but they do still hit very high highs.
I suppose, but it's The Body or Once More with Feeling in a season full of forgettable episodes. I agree with the other anon Buffy 1-3 just WIPES the floor to the point where even the last seasons of the show just suck in comparison.
Angel is a better show because it's more solid and consistent from start to finish. Buffy's peak was better than Angel but Buffy nosedives in quality in the last seasons while Angel steadily maintains quality throughout. Could even argue that Angel S5 is as good as Buffy S3
>Angel is a better show because it's more solid and consistent from start to finish. Buffy's peak was better than Angel but Buffy nosedives in quality in the last seasons
Yea this is the general consensus. Angel is a solid show with an overall higher and costant quality level, while not able to match Buffy at its best AND worst
Stick with 13 reasons why, pleb.
season 1 sucks , did you watch vampire's diary's ?
Buffy S1 is better than all of Vampire Diary's
are you op ?
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