>10 minuts long mega setpiece with some of the most iconic characters in cinema at the absolut peek of their power acting as a narrative and emotional conclusion to one trilogy and a defining moment in the whole saga with one of Williams's best scores blasting in the background
>Star Trek boomers hated it
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>I have been offered a movie which I may accept, if they come up with proper money. London and North Africa, starting in mid March. Science fiction, which gives me pause, but is to be directed by Paul (sic) Lucas, who did American Graffiti (1973). Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish, but could be interesting perhaps.
>New rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper, and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April. I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet, and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? - No!), well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety, and treat me as if I was one hundred six.
>I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. 20 years ago, it had a freshness, a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The bad penny first dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boys eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guess that one day they would explode. 'I would love for you to do something for me,' I said. "Anything! Anything!' the boy said rapturously. 'You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do.' I said. 'Anything, sir, anything!' 'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He bursts into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a child!' she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
>star wars
>Fairy-tale rubbish
i dont understand these guys, they shit on modern stories and say its bland, generic, children stuff but at the same time they will praise shakespeare and chaucer and yeats and all these old authors even though their stories are equally banal and generic and characters and plot often dont make sense.
Because the perceived value of a thing scales with the number of people who have historically liked it, not anything about it itself
Those authors have a stronger range of themes and relatively speaking less impact than star wars. The most influential narrative media of the 20th century being lucas's take on the hero with a 1000 faces is damaging to culture. Its not really star wars' fault though. Its more a problem of commercializing story telling.
yeah dude, in school i had to read romeo and juliet, the grapes of wrath, lord of flies and some other pretentiious stuff that was supposed to be masterworks of classic english literature but surprise surprise, its booooooring nonsensical shit mostly and i have no idea how this could have been prime entertainment once. nobody would buy these books if they were released today, everybody would say its shit.
its better than disney star wars of course, but the prequels and the OT are leagues more entertaining and emotion provoking.
The single most embarrassing post I've read on Cinemaphile this year. have a nice day, moronic manchild.
lets be real here, how would you rather spend the evening: watching pre-disney "fairy tale rubbish" star wars or reading ulysses by james joyce, a ground breaking literary master piece?
eh? see?
>cant into the old-warrior-in-exile archetype
what a hack
This is just standard issue boomerisms that people get behind because they think it makes them sound like based classicists
watch out, the big man actor - you know, the job where you play pretend, that has its roots in the publically despised scum and prostitutes of the roman era - thinks other people should stop being so childish. not like 90% of all human storytelling is fricking fiction or anything. seriously, what a c**t. OG star wars to this day is the most culturally and economically succesful series ever created. it quite literally changed the world and this bitter prick looks upon billions of happy faces and is still mad
Man was a c**t, like all brits.
The acting was terrible, the sword fight was terrible. From start to finish it was eye-rollingly bad. Yet here you are, trying to claim that only your cherry picked demographic didn’t like it. Don’t you have anything better to do?
truthposts like yours should be a bannable offense
No, prequel hate is just Gen x/boomer Nostalgia, simple as frick.
I bet for you TLJ is ''the best SW ever made'' with ''muh le muthar of Hux xD xD xD''
cringe bro
Prequels have a few good moments but were always way inferior to the OT, Disney being shit doesn’t change that.
Reminder that RLM loved the Force Awakens because it was just ANH with diversity.
soillenials let nostalgia cloud their judgement
What are you talking about. Millennials like the prequels. It was boomers and potentially some Gen X'ers that complained. I hope they're happy now with the sequel trilogy because they're directly responsible for that turd.
reading comprehension is not your strong suit so I'll lay it out in simple terms: soillenials think the prequels are good because they watched it as children. And they will ignore/deny how shitty the movies actually are because of nostalgia
Literally the same could be said for the OT you fricking troglodyte.
The OT are legitimately good movies and didn’t need nostalgia to appeal to a wide audience when they released. Any non-moronic child can see a huge difference in quality between Empire Strikes Back and badly acted, horribly written, PS2 cutscene looking garbage like Attack of the Clones
>be Millennial
>late teens when 1st prequel came out
>thought that it was shit then
>still think that it's shit now
lol yeah let's review how it ends
>somersault over a guy
>he cuts your legs off
great fight choreography.
t. Low ground seether
Phantom Menace duel was bettter, and people praise the Revenge of the Sith score but I don’t like how they just reuse Duel of Fates instead of a new song. Also cutting between Anakin/Obi Wan and the silly Yoda/Palpatine duel doesn’t help.
Ian Mcdiarmid’s performance is awesome and ROTS has a handful of good scenes but it’s generally overrated.
ESB > ROTJ > ANH > TPM > ROTS > TFA > AOTC > ROS > TLJ
your ranking is wack, get some taste
What’s your problem? ROTJ is great. AOTC sucks. Post your list then homosexual
ANH> ESB > ROTJ > ROTS > TLJ > TPM > TROS > AOTC > TFA
Glad we agree AOTC sucks.
TFA isn’t good and plays it way too safe but why is it the worst? It’s the least offensive Disneywars.
bland characters, remember berries, kills off old characters, lore breaking physics and generally suspension of disbelief breaking physics multiple times, boring and underwhelming light saber fights, plot is too much a repeat of episode 1, villains arent properly introduced and appear to be stupid, lore breaking, republic somehow has no fleet but the empire has and even rebuilt a bigger death star without anyone noticing. stupid studpid sutip shit i cant even.
Duel of the Fates was written with the full intent of it playing double duty as the Anakin vs Obi Wan music. And we did get a new song with it too.
>but I don’t like how they just reuse Duel of Fates instead of a new song.
What the frick are you talking about?
I thought I was having a stroke for a second, what level of special ed are you on if you believe that THIS and a choir starting up with KORAAAAAAAAAHHHHH, MATAAAAAAAAAHHHHH is even in the same galaxy?
Its like insisting that the theme to halloween and the exorcist are the same
That's the point he's making idiot. They are different pieces of music not the same.
>The Force Awakens
>better than Attack of the Clones
AOTC is so shit it could arguably be last, it just didn’t permanently ruin the franchise the same way TLJ did
>permanently ruin the franchise the same way TLJ did
qrd? never watched the disney ones
Just an entire movie of endless cringe. Making every male character totally incompetent to prop up the women. Completely changes Luke into a complete failure and immoral loser who they show contemplating murdering a kid because he could have maybe ‘turned to the dark side’, in total contrast to his accomplishment of redeeming Vader. They intentionally ruined the whole Skywalker legacy beyond repair with no characters left to continue to the story.
AOTC is better than ROTJ and all mouseslop
Sure. 873 year-old Ninja Yoda doing 50 backflips and “I hate sand” is better than Jabba’s palace, the emperor, Endor, and Luke and Vader’s throne room duel.
>873 year-old Ninja Yoda doing 50 backflips
My personal theory was always that Yoda's species actually has an even longer average lifespan than 900 years but that because he chose to seclude himself on Dagobah, right next to that cave (a place teeming with the Dark Side), it was gradually taking an extremely negative effect on his health. Take note that he was considerably less spry in Return of the Jedi than he was in Empire Strikes Back, plus in KOTOR 2, Nihilius' crew are literally half-dead borderline zombies due their mere proximity to him.
Attack of the Clones has its issues but it's a genuinely unique movie in its own right and took CGI to a scale that wouldn't be truly surpassed until Avatar came out nearly a decade later.
The Force Awakens is literally "A New Hope, but worse in every conceivable way". A souless rehash with no redeeming qualities to speak of. It's garbage, as is every other piece of Star Wars media produced by Disney.
This piece of anime catgirl fanart has more creativity in it than the entirety of Disney's Star Wars releases.
>unique
Because of how shitty it is. The entire prequel trilogy is a bizarre giant mess.
Ep1 ruined the series
I can understand what people see in TPM and ROTS even if I still think they're shit, but AOTC is flatly awful.
I hate reeee-an johnson as much as the next guy but in what world is TLJ a worse film than RoS?
it didnt have the feminist pandering, characters didnt act ..out of character, no breaking of established lore physics, no offtopic sideplots that went nowhere (asian chick, casino)
TLJ was really a huge blunder, ive never seen a movie failing so hard to entertain me. i left the cinema angry, remorseful and in despair, also depressed and sad. to this day i regret watching the movie and it still makes me angry when i think about it.
ROS doesnt do that.
>i left the cinema angry, remorseful and in despair, also depressed and sad. to this day i regret watching the movie and it still makes me angry when i think about it.
I literally just laughed at how dumb it was and went about my day as usual.
It's a soulless fight and used purely to showcase Lucasfilms' CGI.
Vader and Luke's first fight in the OT has far more feeling behind it because the focus is the fight, not the background.
Reminder that art teacher and historian, and one of the last great American intellectuals Camille Paglia said this was one of the peaks of Western art.
lmao and i already though she was a clown
You didn't have time to listen to her argument. Why is she a clown?
>American intellectual
>woman
Read her work.
Seen better shit in anime and video games. Those stuck-up academics really don't seem to know much outside their field.
>Seen better shit in anime and video games.
name it
NTA but Spec Ops: The Line is a masterpiece of insanity even if the gameplay is pretty shit.
>You share a board with these "people"
>Spec Ops: The Line
A game that's both underrated and overrated at the same time
Warcraft III. Same story, but done better. Then there's the trope of rival/friend done better in MGS, Soul Reaver, whatever.
Griffith vs Guts
anakins fall was too quick. the flaws of the jedi and the lure and the logic of the dark side werent explained enough. clone wars did that better.
Episode 3 is genuinely the best movie and pure Lucas kino. Sure the acting is stiff and wooden, but so is Mark Hamill in the OT. It also isn't convolutedly bad like 1 and 2.
>I am your...le father
Fricking boomers really lost their shit over this when there's only 4 characters in the entire universe....woooow who else could he fricking be?
> who else could it have been?
Are you stupid? The first movie answers the question. His father is Anakin Skywalker, who was “murdered” by Vader. It was not presented as a mystery. No wonder Episode 3 is your favorite, you can’t digest what your watching.
Are you legitimately moronic? Read his post again
Are you both moronic too?
> there's only 4 characters in the entire universe....woooow who else could he fricking be?
Separate characters, duh
Wrong moron, that wasn't revealed until ESB, it isn't implied Darth Vader is Anakin at all. You know that Lucas made the first one as a standalone right? That's why Darth Vader is literally the guy's name and not a title, and why Obi-Wan calls him Darth. Stop making up headcanon for something that was a throwaway line.
Luke: Why didn't you ever tell me Darth Vader was my father?
Obi Wan: Oh well George Lucas actually came up with that part after the first movie so I didn't even know he was either lol.
Darth Maul and Darth Vader are the only Star Wars characters with sovl
Reminder: Anakin was justified in slaughtering every sand~~*person*~~ he found.
The word you are looking for is Gratuitous.
Lucas: "Look Ma, I'm Directing!!"
Music is the only thing that saved the prequels. The fight was too long and the ending was extremely anticlimactic.
>the ending was extremely anticlimactic.
I always thought that it should have ended with Obi-Wan being unable to defeat Anakin head-on and having to use the environment against him. Like kicking him into a vat of molten metal or something, scurrying off in desperation, and failing to notice the burned and deformed Anakin clawing his way out of the tank, being kept alive only by his pure rage
when they last met he was the learner, the fact that obi-wan was able to defeat him despite being technically weaker, having taught him everything he knows, is literally pottery
It's mostly because the dark side turned Anakin into a moron.
I mean, Anakin was already pretty moronic to fall for Palpatine's lies instead of immediately realizing that he was being grifted.
>he was being grifted.
how? the Emperor already had cloning and mind transfer almost perfected. they would have cloned vader and padme and he could have been his younger self again and be together with padme. obi wan and luke ruined all that.
For starters, Palpatine very clearly had no intention of allowing Padme to live. She only survived as long as she did because she was a useful idiot to facilitate Anakin's change of allegiance. As soon as she had fulfilled that role, she was as good as dead.
Second, Palpatine didn't actually start working on cloning and mind transfer until some point after Revenge of the Sith because Anakin had proven himself unworthy of assuming the title of Dark Lord of the Sith and Palpatine wasn't going to hand over the keys to his empire to him. It also clearly hadn't been perfected because his clones kept dying.
Third, Palpatine very clearly kept Anakin in the dark about the former or else he would have demanded that he be cloned a new body.
Palpatine fed Anakin a bunch of bullshit and Anakin was stupid enough to take it at face value instead of going "Hey wait a sec, this guy isn't supposed to know supersekrit Sith legends!"
jedi propaganda.
Im not going into the autism of how the different styles they used affected the results but the facts of the matter is that Anakin sperged out, and got tired. Obi-Wan was on the defensive the entire fight, and capitalized on this.
Youre not wrong of course, the dark side rage tard factor is part of what Im describing but it still goes beyond him just being "too blinded by arrogance stemming from his new dark force daddy"
Obi Wan was also goading him. Throughout the series we see Anakin outclassing Obi Wan. We see Anakin rescuing Obi Wan. Anakin is see as the greatest warrior of the Republic.
But he constantly feels Obi Wan is holding him back. Obi Wan, despite all of Anakin's force potential and awesome feets, is a better Jedi. The Jedi recognize him as a master and not Anakin. Obi Wan is respected, and not Anakin.
Obi Wan is always there being a smug, boy scout, acting like he's better because he plays by the rules, and does everything by the book. Meanwhile Anakin is really the one doing all the crazy cool shit that everyone one else should be recognizing.
And even with his new dark side power, Anakin can't land a blow on him. Fighting from platforms to control rooms, to pylons and out on lava rivers and the entire time Obi Wan is just there defending everything, mocking him. Telling Anakin that he's the bad guy. That he's so massively screwed up and Anakin knows he can't come back from this.
Throughout his entire life doubting him. Not recognizing Anakin's greatness. And standing there on the shoreline like a smug fricking boyscout bastard mocking him, "don't try it Anakin", "you're the reason Padme doesn't love you anymore!", "you got fooled and groomed Anakin!". "Look at me I'm Obi Wan, everyone thinks I'm so great!". No one knows how much Anakin has to be the one to bail Obi Wan out, carry these Clone Wars battles.
"Don't try it Anakin". Frick you Obi Wan, I will try it, just to prove that I am actually better than you and my power and skill is more than you can even estimate, I'll still pull off this risky move and kick your stupid Jedi Master ass!
And Obi Wan knows Anakin is emotional, impulsive, easily triggered, is a show off, takes risks, and he's trained Anakin, knows all his moves and is a master of defense and counter attack. Anakin takes the bait and Obi Wan takes his legs
>We see Anakin rescuing Obi Wan. Anakin is see as the greatest warrior of the Republic.
Do we? I honestly don't remember this. I guess he defeated Dooku? Any other example?
Anakin rescues Obi Wan at the beginning of Ep. 3 from buzz droids. He's the one who causes the hanger shield to turn off. He rescues Obi Wan from the room where he fought Dooku. They mention in diogue that Anakin had resued Obi Wan multiple times between 2 and 3 with the line, "that business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count".
Anakin probably overstates this. Obi Wan probably does a lot of the organizational work in their missions and keeps Anakin from going too far with his crazy antics. But from Anakin's perspective, he thinks he's surpassed Obi Wan and is underappteciated. He thinks everyone, including Obi Wan underestimates him
Only the Originals are Good prequels are lucas fan fiction
scene gave hayden a bunch of dialogue that is impossible to make sound good
>YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER
>IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME THEN YOU'RE MY ENEMY
writers do that all the time... give actors lines that have to be screamed because how could they be stated with any subtlety
was a joy to see him get some adult lines
I always thought Hayden Christensen's ability to play everything from weasel-like weaklings to rage-filled lunatics was actually pretty cool.
huh? thats exactly how i talk everyday in work. only people that work in offices that are 90% women talk like gays or "adult" as you call it
So you scream YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER at home inbetween shitposting on Cinemaphile and jacking off to anime all the while reeling in the neetbux
it's the actors job to make the lines convincing, the OT is filled with mediocre writing, Hayden is just a shit actor.
>>IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME THEN YOU'RE MY ENEMY
Dubya Bush was able to say that with a straight face for 8 years without screaming it
This guy gets it
> stands in the pouring rain to make a phone call
Was Obi moronic?
Just like me frfr
Problem I had with the sequence was them riding in the top of lava robots. Looked goofy along with the spinning saber shit.
i agree certain parts were a bit too over the top. A lot of people mark this as the best lightsaber fight but I thought it was mostly spectacle that makes people feel that way.
The Obi Wan v. Maul fight is the perfect intensity, not too over the top, not overlong. And even Yoda v. Palpatine was better imo. Obi v. Anakin was just a bit too try hard
They were literally man babies b***hing that Lucas didn't target his kids movies to pander to the nostalgia of 40 year Olds.
I was 10 when the Phantom Menace came out and Anakin's journey is basically a morality play for kids growing up in the Boomer wasteland of postmodernism
I was also 10 when the phantom menace came out and liked it but still realized the OT was obviously better, didn’t even bother seeing AOTC in theatre knowing how shit it was from previews and word of mouth, ROTS was fine but underwhelming
would have been so much better if Vader had a red lightsaber
two blue lightsabers ruins it
Should have started flickering between blue and red, before turning completely red by the end of the duel
why would that make sense
Red wouldn't contrast against the vulcanic setting AND wouldn't work as the saber Luke gets in Ep. 4 AND clashes with the fact this is supposed to be Battle of HEROES (literally what the soundtrack calls it)
>yousaa bombaat warrior
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