OP is still wrong because he isn't including the theater cut of the Box Office. This is a John Carter tier disaster since it's foreign box office is completely dead
Those 15 other countries are tiny market's and films can do well without China. This film bombed everywhere
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The other countries not on the list caught on that Lightyear isn't a 'family movie' and you shouldn't bring kids along. Hell one country even gave it an adult rating stamp
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>Hell one country even gave it an adult rating stamp
Yep, Singapore
A country that white people like to pretend is super liberal and believes in all their woke talking points.
Marketing is just one small part of the picture. The bigger deal is opportunity costs, they didn't just lose money because the movie underperformed, you also have to account for the fact that $200 million could have gone to something else that would have made money as well.
Oh it lost way more money than that. Lets look at the most conservative numbers >200 million budget >100 million marketing budget >50% of box office gross
best possible scenario Lightyear lost over 200 million dollars.
now lets look at some realistic numbers >200 budget >200 million marketing budget >45% of box office gross
the film has made just 85 million dollars. Disney just took a 300 million plus hit from lightyear.
This was sequence done in about one week because of last minute rewrites. That's the main problem with modern CGI, what used to be afforded over a year of post-production time now gets weeks to months.
And that is with very little digital work involved, Titanic was one of the last films to be mostly practical effects, they actually built replicas of different parts of the ship in Rosarito and tied them together with massive paintings for the background, they painstakinly recreated the furniture and rooms, they even had the china remade just for that one scene in which it all falls off the rack.
The idea that all that work costed less than the paint-by-numbers green screen shit Hollywood does now is just asinine, there is a massive money pit in film making where a ton of unaccounted money just disappears.
1. Voice actors ask for millions.
2. Animation is time consuming and it's Union work in USA.
3. 3D animation is getting more and more detailed over time which makes it take longer.
4. 100 million seems to be the minimum you can make a major hollywood film now. That Licorice Pizza film cost 40 million.
Combine it's very easy to have bloated projects at the Disney level.
Hollywood accounting.
"Hollywood accounting" is just creating shell companies to trade money with each other so that you can officially say a project didn't earn much so that you can screw people out of paying a percentage. The system always falls apart when challenged in the courts. And critically the overall project still earns or loses money.
Money laundering
Meme answer. No one can explain what Disney is supposedly even "money laundering". They don't traffic cocaine.
yeah, because the federal reserve bailed out the banks and big investment firms, they will not save shit this time because the remedy will make things worse, they already bailed them again back when covid caused a global recession, this time is real
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>they will not save shit this time because the remedy will make things worse >because the remedy will make things worse
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As I understand it, the dems declared Blackrock eligible for charitable contributions and moved a lot of fines to Br's coffers. I assume they'd keep it afloat through some kind of frickery,
Doesn't matter. Disney still has war chests of billions, and a small oversight like this underrated film won't tank them like you incels have daily wet dreams of. The only reason the film """bombed""" was because it was made for millennials who grew up watching Toy Story as kids, but it didn't cater enough to Gen Z as much is all. There's no /misc/ conspiracy here, people. Pixar has had some duds before, but they'll always continue producing the finest quality imaginable, like always. Plus, Disney+ is gaining more steam and seems like a bright future for Pixar, which Lightyear will surely make their money back on alongside video sales. Cope.
The parks took a massive hit during the coof and they were constantly buying shit for billions of dollars
I'm struggling to believe they even paid off the 4 billion dollars they spent on Star Wars, especially if you consider that the time and money spent on making Star Wars things could have been spent on making things they already owned
They got the money back from Star Wars I think but not the opportunity cost of if they'd just invested that shit into literally anything that made money
>The only reason the film """bombed""" was because it was made for millennials who grew up watching Toy Story as kids, but it didn't cater enough to Gen Z as much
You got it backwards
>owes billions to China >lost billions during COVID shutdown for their theme parks >completely mishandled Star Wars, an IP they still haven't recouped the $4.5B investment from, 10 years later >spent $75.5B+ on purchasing 20th Century Fox >lost billions on Sequel Trilogy merch >Starcruiser Hotel bombed, and they've hired focus groups to figure out why >Galaxy's Edge is a disappointment >parks are overpriced now >Disney+ sub rate has slowed down >Disney+ censors content >company got slammed in Florida & is no longer protected by state taxes over there after their child-grooming agenda got exposed >the MCU is slowly starting to fizzle out post-Endgame + their MCU original series on streaming have terrible viewership numbers >will lose copyright to Mickey Mouse soon >slowly killing off Pixar >turned Zombie Simpsons into corporate advertising for their streaming service
...and you still want to imply they're """""okay""""" after all that?
>slowly killing off Pixar
What do you mean? Its already dead. They had their first flop years ago with Good Dinosaur and then have been treading water ever since, with Lightyear being the second outright flop.
The Good Dinosaur was one of the biggest pieces of dogshit I've ever seen. The only thing I was impressed with was the clouds. I've never noticed animated clouds before, but these were so good I thought "damn. this movie has some nice clouds."
The environments in general looked very nice, though I don't know what they were thinking pairing those hyper realistic looking landscapes with cheap toy looking Dinos
Encanto made money but it was insincere pandering designed to cash in on the success of Coco, Coco had its roots in legitimate Mexican folklore, there is nothing in Encanto that is particularly Colombian in nature, it's just a generic fairytale coated in brown.
Encanto was such an odd story, its family but everyone has superpowers, and the house is magic but the story is solidly about family and the superhero powers dont really matter.
why not just cut the super heroics and make a family story, perhaps set it back in the war/civil insurrection that the parents went through and you would have a more serious setting like say Mulan.
No, the production budget is just what went into making the movie. Marketing is not included as that spending is done by an entirely different department and so is tracked differently. Also generally done in a way that makes it difficult to tract exactly what was spent to promote each individual movie.
>t. thinks grossing as much as the budget = "breaking even"
lol
lmao
You forgot to factor in the hidden costs (merchandising + advertisements + licensing to theaters + overseas marketing). The real budget is most likely around $500M - $600M, which they will NOT reach given the circumstances of the current box office right now (Top Gun 2, Jurassic World 3, and Minions 2). In other words, Disney fricked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if Pixar is never allowed to release another theatrical film again & goes exclusively streaming thereafter.
>audiences say they don't want anymore of your gay homosexual shit >put more gay homosexual shit into your new movie just to spite them >movie bombs >solution: put more gay homosexual shit into the next movie >repeat forever
I'm afraid I struggle to follow this rationale.
Double production budget for break even, probably like triple production budget for where they'd want to be in terms of profit. Also after the first two weeks or so in theaters, the studios takes far less of the cut from ticket sales. So Disney has gotten as much as they can, the theaters take almost all of it now.
I mean, when your product is objectively inferior to something that we could watch in 90s tv for free then yeah, losing a shitton of money is the expected result.
That's not how it works it needs to make at least 400 million to make any sort of profit. This movie lost upward of 200 million, it probably lost more money than Doctor Strange made for Disney
Because they have the decency to portray the sheboon as a typical loudmouth shaniqua instead of trying to convince us that she's a fricking rocket scientist.
They are at least making films that someone somewhere actually wants to see. Sonic has a following and so does Minions. Who in the right minds wanted the "real" Buzz Lightyear in some drab and dreary world? This film is 100 million over budget, and like 15 years too late.
>$200 million production >Probably $200m in advertising (Minions had $285m in ads) >Will only make $230m at most
This shit is losing them $200 - 250 million kek
>IT WAS ONLY A KISS >IT WAS ONLY A KISS >NOW DISNEY'S FALLING ASLEEP >WHILE MICKEY'S DRESSING IN DRAG >homosexualS b***hING AND SEETHE >BUT THEY'RE SHITTING THEIR PANTS NOW >DISNEY'S IN THE RED NOW—SEETHE AND COPE >CHUD CHILDREN CAN'T LOOK, CUZ THEY'RE GROOMING MEEE >SNEED'S TAKING CONTROL
With streaming revenue the box office isn't as important as it used to be
Because they'll just make back all the money on streaming that box office didn't make them
Lightyear failed because hypocrites who asked for a Pixar for theatrical release and stop the straight to Disney plus stuff are the same ones who didn't go see it
Disney+'s numbers are inflated to hell >Verizon offers a free YEAR with a cellphone sign up or Fios account >Hulu gives you D+ for an extra $3/month >Tons of other backdoor and sales and giveaways to get it on people's streaming whatever >Reports sub numbers not monthly revenue >Disney stock quietly tanks.
>it's shit
so are most pixar movies
here in spicland there wasnt much hate about it
i find it weird to see how a pixar movie doesnt blow it out of the water, all i know is that there was drama with some lgbt shit there in NA
>11 million lost
Try well over a hundred million lost. This needed roughly 400-500 million to break even
OP said marketing not included.
OP is still wrong because he isn't including the theater cut of the Box Office. This is a John Carter tier disaster since it's foreign box office is completely dead
>foreign box office is completely dead
Another variant or more lockdowns?
Shit movie
Banned in China and like 15 other countries
>Banned in China and like 15 other countries
Who cares about minorities
>minorities
Population 1.4 billion
Those 15 other countries are tiny market's and films can do well without China. This film bombed everywhere
The other countries not on the list caught on that Lightyear isn't a 'family movie' and you shouldn't bring kids along. Hell one country even gave it an adult rating stamp
>Hell one country even gave it an adult rating stamp
Yep, Singapore
A country that white people like to pretend is super liberal and believes in all their woke talking points.
Marketing is just one small part of the picture. The bigger deal is opportunity costs, they didn't just lose money because the movie underperformed, you also have to account for the fact that $200 million could have gone to something else that would have made money as well.
Half the money goes to the kinoplex itself.
you know, cinema keep 50%
Frick you, chuds! You are ruining LGBTQAA+ representation in film! Watch out for us, we will find you.
But minions also had a minion with a card that says they/them
Oh it lost way more money than that. Lets look at the most conservative numbers
>200 million budget
>100 million marketing budget
>50% of box office gross
best possible scenario Lightyear lost over 200 million dollars.
now lets look at some realistic numbers
>200 budget
>200 million marketing budget
>45% of box office gross
the film has made just 85 million dollars. Disney just took a 300 million plus hit from lightyear.
I hope.
how the frick is the budget for a cartoon $200m
Tim Allen doesn't voice for free
He got replaced with chris evans
And chris evans pocketed 10M for the role
AEUHHH?
I read that in my voice
Money laundering
Hollywood accounting.
Cool it with the anti semitic remarks
hey you have to budget it generously if you're gonna pay yourself well via your production companies
$200m???
Fricking TITANIC cost 200m to make back in 1997
which is 400m today. what's your point
chuds tell me inflation doesnt matter
The point is that the fact that Titanic costed the same to make than the Jimmy Neutron-tier CGI they use in Marvel capeshit is outrageous.
This was sequence done in about one week because of last minute rewrites. That's the main problem with modern CGI, what used to be afforded over a year of post-production time now gets weeks to months.
And that is with very little digital work involved, Titanic was one of the last films to be mostly practical effects, they actually built replicas of different parts of the ship in Rosarito and tied them together with massive paintings for the background, they painstakinly recreated the furniture and rooms, they even had the china remade just for that one scene in which it all falls off the rack.
The idea that all that work costed less than the paint-by-numbers green screen shit Hollywood does now is just asinine, there is a massive money pit in film making where a ton of unaccounted money just disappears.
>how the frick is the budget for a cartoon $200m
1. Voice actors ask for millions.
2. Animation is time consuming and it's Union work in USA.
3. 3D animation is getting more and more detailed over time which makes it take longer.
4. 100 million seems to be the minimum you can make a major hollywood film now. That Licorice Pizza film cost 40 million.
Combine it's very easy to have bloated projects at the Disney level.
"Hollywood accounting" is just creating shell companies to trade money with each other so that you can officially say a project didn't earn much so that you can screw people out of paying a percentage. The system always falls apart when challenged in the courts. And critically the overall project still earns or loses money.
Meme answer. No one can explain what Disney is supposedly even "money laundering". They don't traffic cocaine.
>No one can explain what Disney is supposedly even "money laundering"
Underground elite pedo empire money
>produced by galyn susman
sussy...
I don't even need the Early Life section for that one.
Blackrock will be more than happy to provide the lost revenue. Cope.
but they still need to pay those loans, which will make them lose more money.
>what are interests
it only makes it worse if anything
blackrock will be bankrupt when the incoming global depression hits the global economy
I sure hope so, but they also made a shitton of money off the 2008 crash.
i said global depression, not global recession, blackrock will be over by 2027
I hope you're right anon,
They made their fortune on the 2008 recession.
>if only you knew how bad things really are
yeah, because the federal reserve bailed out the banks and big investment firms, they will not save shit this time because the remedy will make things worse, they already bailed them again back when covid caused a global recession, this time is real
>they will not save shit this time because the remedy will make things worse
>because the remedy will make things worse
As I understand it, the dems declared Blackrock eligible for charitable contributions and moved a lot of fines to Br's coffers. I assume they'd keep it afloat through some kind of frickery,
they'll just buy even more houses that will get foreclosed for dirt cheap
They get what they fricking deserve
>Pixar
A shambling corpse
Doesn't matter. Disney still has war chests of billions, and a small oversight like this underrated film won't tank them like you incels have daily wet dreams of. The only reason the film """bombed""" was because it was made for millennials who grew up watching Toy Story as kids, but it didn't cater enough to Gen Z as much is all. There's no /misc/ conspiracy here, people. Pixar has had some duds before, but they'll always continue producing the finest quality imaginable, like always. Plus, Disney+ is gaining more steam and seems like a bright future for Pixar, which Lightyear will surely make their money back on alongside video sales. Cope.
Do they?
The parks took a massive hit during the coof and they were constantly buying shit for billions of dollars
I'm struggling to believe they even paid off the 4 billion dollars they spent on Star Wars, especially if you consider that the time and money spent on making Star Wars things could have been spent on making things they already owned
They got the money back from Star Wars I think but not the opportunity cost of if they'd just invested that shit into literally anything that made money
>The only reason the film """bombed""" was because it was made for millennials who grew up watching Toy Story as kids, but it didn't cater enough to Gen Z as much
You got it backwards
>Disney still has war chests of billions
>owes billions to China
>lost billions during COVID shutdown for their theme parks
>completely mishandled Star Wars, an IP they still haven't recouped the $4.5B investment from, 10 years later
>spent $75.5B+ on purchasing 20th Century Fox
>lost billions on Sequel Trilogy merch
>Starcruiser Hotel bombed, and they've hired focus groups to figure out why
>Galaxy's Edge is a disappointment
>parks are overpriced now
>Disney+ sub rate has slowed down
>Disney+ censors content
>company got slammed in Florida & is no longer protected by state taxes over there after their child-grooming agenda got exposed
>the MCU is slowly starting to fizzle out post-Endgame + their MCU original series on streaming have terrible viewership numbers
>will lose copyright to Mickey Mouse soon
>slowly killing off Pixar
>turned Zombie Simpsons into corporate advertising for their streaming service
...and you still want to imply they're """""okay""""" after all that?
>slowly killing off Pixar
What do you mean? Its already dead. They had their first flop years ago with Good Dinosaur and then have been treading water ever since, with Lightyear being the second outright flop.
The Good Dinosaur was one of the biggest pieces of dogshit I've ever seen. The only thing I was impressed with was the clouds. I've never noticed animated clouds before, but these were so good I thought "damn. this movie has some nice clouds."
The environments in general looked very nice, though I don't know what they were thinking pairing those hyper realistic looking landscapes with cheap toy looking Dinos
I always forget about that one and get the title mixed up with the other Dinosaur movie which was actually decent
>but these were so good I thought "damn. this movie has some nice clouds."
this quote should be on the dvd case front cover
The northman lost more money
Northman flopping ruined the board. For months every movie will be culture warred. Even the fricking minions movie.
Why would i watch this after toy story
Encanto, Rayla, TR etc were decent but more than anything were new
Encanto made money but it was insincere pandering designed to cash in on the success of Coco, Coco had its roots in legitimate Mexican folklore, there is nothing in Encanto that is particularly Colombian in nature, it's just a generic fairytale coated in brown.
Encanto took off because of the soundtrack, the Bruno song was the biggest viral hit from a Disney movie since Let it Go.
Encanto was such an odd story, its family but everyone has superpowers, and the house is magic but the story is solidly about family and the superhero powers dont really matter.
why not just cut the super heroics and make a family story, perhaps set it back in the war/civil insurrection that the parents went through and you would have a more serious setting like say Mulan.
You morons know the marketing is in the "budget". Of course a bunch of RLM wannabe losers don't know how real life business are run.
No, the production budget is just what went into making the movie. Marketing is not included as that spending is done by an entirely different department and so is tracked differently. Also generally done in a way that makes it difficult to tract exactly what was spent to promote each individual movie.
picture in op just says "budget" makes no distinction. back to r/redlettermedia with u lol
the studios dont get the 100% of the box office
Only 11 million until it breaks even, what's the problem?
>t. thinks grossing as much as the budget = "breaking even"
lol
lmao
You forgot to factor in the hidden costs (merchandising + advertisements + licensing to theaters + overseas marketing). The real budget is most likely around $500M - $600M, which they will NOT reach given the circumstances of the current box office right now (Top Gun 2, Jurassic World 3, and Minions 2). In other words, Disney fricked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if Pixar is never allowed to release another theatrical film again & goes exclusively streaming thereafter.
If your numbers are correct, this movie is a massive disaster.
cinemas take 50% of cash
Does Disney care? It's more content for streaming. Also, is that part of why people aren't going to see it - wait 'til it's on + ?
they had to make him a homosexual
so get woke go broke israelites
Lightyear isn't gay, you fricking spastic. There's a lesbian couple in the movie.
why do brown commies here hate disney so much? do they do something to their land or something?
It will become a cult classic and age like fine wine
>audiences say they don't want anymore of your gay homosexual shit
>put more gay homosexual shit into your new movie just to spite them
>movie bombs
>solution: put more gay homosexual shit into the next movie
>repeat forever
I'm afraid I struggle to follow this rationale.
Well that's what happens when you attack and harass people for simply saying they don't want to see your movie
The amount of free money given out by Larry Fink for putting gay homosexual shit into movies far offsets the money lost by doing it.
Double production budget for break even, probably like triple production budget for where they'd want to be in terms of profit. Also after the first two weeks or so in theaters, the studios takes far less of the cut from ticket sales. So Disney has gotten as much as they can, the theaters take almost all of it now.
Should have stopped making Toy Story movies after 3, nobody cares about a Buzz origin story that doesn’t even have Tim Allen.
who the frick asked for a buzz lightyear movie?
why the frick are they forcing cinematic universes for every fricking property?
How does an animated movie cost 200 million dollars?
$199,999,000 for the israelite producers wallets, $1,000 to make the movie.
5 years of production where the majority of the work gets wasted
I mean, when your product is objectively inferior to something that we could watch in 90s tv for free then yeah, losing a shitton of money is the expected result.
I loved everyone and everything in that damn cartoon. Does anyone else remember the intro that that thing? Mind blowing as a kid.
Inside Out was the last great Pixar film
Theyre doing their job as long as they get to corrupt a single child.
I doubt a single child brought to see this disaster stayed awake long enough to actually see the gay kiss
>11 million lost
That's not how it works it needs to make at least 400 million to make any sort of profit. This movie lost upward of 200 million, it probably lost more money than Doctor Strange made for Disney
Meanwhile sonic..
Interracial romance. Get woke, make lots of money.
Because they have the decency to portray the sheboon as a typical loudmouth shaniqua instead of trying to convince us that she's a fricking rocket scientist.
That was the sister of the woman in the interracial relationship
That means it just passed Uncharted to be the biggest video game movie of the year. Tom Holland, like all Marvel actors, is not a movie star.
What a fricking current world when Sonic or the fricking Minions beat Pixar's ass.
They are at least making films that someone somewhere actually wants to see. Sonic has a following and so does Minions. Who in the right minds wanted the "real" Buzz Lightyear in some drab and dreary world? This film is 100 million over budget, and like 15 years too late.
>$200 million production
>Probably $200m in advertising (Minions had $285m in ads)
>Will only make $230m at most
This shit is losing them $200 - 250 million kek
>IT WAS ONLY A KISS
>IT WAS ONLY A KISS
>NOW DISNEY'S FALLING ASLEEP
>WHILE MICKEY'S DRESSING IN DRAG
>homosexualS b***hING AND SEETHE
>BUT THEY'RE SHITTING THEIR PANTS NOW
>DISNEY'S IN THE RED NOW—SEETHE AND COPE
>CHUD CHILDREN CAN'T LOOK, CUZ THEY'RE GROOMING MEEE
>SNEED'S TAKING CONTROL
Marketing was likely included in that cost.
moron.
why don't they just lie about it like Captain Marvel
With streaming revenue the box office isn't as important as it used to be
Because they'll just make back all the money on streaming that box office didn't make them
Lightyear failed because hypocrites who asked for a Pixar for theatrical release and stop the straight to Disney plus stuff are the same ones who didn't go see it
This film is gonna blow up on Disney plus
The movie failing is irrelevant to the quality
It's gon a do well in Disney plus
So it didn't really technically fail
More like a minor set back
Enchanto experienced the same thing
Jesus dude
Disney+'s numbers are inflated to hell
>Verizon offers a free YEAR with a cellphone sign up or Fios account
>Hulu gives you D+ for an extra $3/month
>Tons of other backdoor and sales and giveaways to get it on people's streaming whatever
>Reports sub numbers not monthly revenue
>Disney stock quietly tanks.
why did it flop
Bad trailers and poor marketing. It didn't pick up and had a huge drop because it's shit
>it's shit
so are most pixar movies
here in spicland there wasnt much hate about it
i find it weird to see how a pixar movie doesnt blow it out of the water, all i know is that there was drama with some lgbt shit there in NA
but i doubt that would get it down so hard
I love how you think money is real for rich people. Dude they can shit on your head until the end of time and not lose anything.