The Republic died when Caesar rose. He destroyed the Republic and led in the age of Emperors. Wtf are you talking about.
He declared himself king ffs. Sorry "dictator for life"
>Ceasar diid anything in his power to save the republic, sadly the senate would never accept to keep it alive
You know damn well that ain't true.
Caesar was a comet in history. Like Alexander the Great or Napoleon. He was a fricking world changing titan. He never wanted to "keep" the Republic as much as he wanted to rule it. It was in his nature.
He was not only a brilliant political mind, who played other shrewd politicians to his whims, but also a brilliant military commander. There was literally only one way his life could have gone, and that's the way it went.
>comet
the difference with Ceasar and his other fellow conqueror is the will.
Ceasar always found always in the worst possible situation and get away.
He was a patrician who side with Marius after he lost.
He obtained his first triumph and the senate stopped him.
Britain campain a complete disaster
Gaul revolt.
Civil war
Egyptian siege.
Numidia and Spain.
He wasn't the choosen one born to win, he wasa unlicky dude who always found himself in the worst possible situation and always won.
This is the difference >brillnt political mind
his reform are still used as an example of perfection even today
loved by all roman population etc..
10 months ago
Anonymous
You described what I'd refer to as a comet. Like Napoleon and Alexander the Great, who wasn't the son of an emperor but a king (pretty great one but not guaranteed to inherit an empire).
These mofos simply bend fate to their will, or rather, it looks like they were literally chosen by fate, considering the impact they have and the superhuman feats they pulled.
Like I said, Caesar was heading for the throne or the grave and he knew it.
The Senate feared him for this reason from the start.
10 months ago
Anonymous
this I dunno how that guy is arguing that caesar had republican principles. he got anthony to make a big show of presenting him with a crown only to back off when people jeered. he clearly wanted it
10 months ago
Anonymous
absoluteto nope.
the show was the biggest proof Ceasar didn't want a crown.
Anthony organied the show because he wanted Ceasar a King because he belived to be his heir.
the scene was utter strange
everyone in the public silent like a dog, ready to accept his king and Ceasar refuse the crown?
Ceasar just belived to be a second Silla, he wanted reform the dyoing republic and then go away.
You described what I'd refer to as a comet. Like Napoleon and Alexander the Great, who wasn't the son of an emperor but a king (pretty great one but not guaranteed to inherit an empire).
These mofos simply bend fate to their will, or rather, it looks like they were literally chosen by fate, considering the impact they have and the superhuman feats they pulled.
Like I said, Caesar was heading for the throne or the grave and he knew it.
The Senate feared him for this reason from the start.
Napoelon is more similar to ceasar but not alexander who his father literally produced the first professional army of history ready to him to use. >the senate feared him.
the senate feared hi reforms who would make their corruption disappier.
Roman republic expanded so much but still only italy could take part of the democratic process?
the integrated population who spoke latin could not join the senate?
this was the death sentence of the republic Ceasar understand.
if people are forced to be slaves then they will choices their master insted.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Napoelon is more similar to ceasar but not alexander who his father literally produced the first professional army of history ready to him to use.
True, but Alexander's father was a pygmy compared to what his son became. But yes, he did have a head start... kind of even though Philip wasn't that kind, and even had another son afterwards, so Alexander had to fight for it.
I like your points, but here's the deal, Caesar not only declared himself dictator for life (king).
You don't need to look further than that to see what his true ambition was. He marched on Rome, man knowing what it would mean.
He tried justifying his actions , but the end-result was clear.
I side with Cato on Caesar, always have.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>dictator for life
Silla did the same and resigned 1 year later.
PLS answare this question
DO YOU BELIVE HE WANTED TO BE A KING SINCE DAY 1?
my point is if the senate had accepted Ceasar's reforms, the senate would had won
his all support came from the """barbarians""" rich families who wanted be part of the state.
His power came from the Cisalpine Gaul position, if was part of italy to storm Rome he needed to pass the alps instead of a river.
etc....
democracy is not a monolith and need to adapt to survive.
10 years of Ceasar democratic rules is better then 1000 years of despotic empire.
The senate was just afraid of change, this is why lost.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Could Genghis Khan be considered one of these titans of human history alongside Alexander, Caesar and Napoleon?
On one side, he was a bloodthirsty barbarian and his exploits arguably hindered civilization instead of advancing it, on other side, he was a man of unparalleled drive, changed human history forever (for better or worse) and bent reality to his will.
10 months ago
Anonymous
nope
Kublai was way better
the mongols expansion was just the natural process fo stabilization.
technology allowed their expansion thanks heavy lancer.
he failed to conquest all of China and just united the nomads.
also his genocide destroyed his possible legacy of empire.
Qublay was the one who created the empire
10 months ago
Anonymous
>write a carefully worded shitpost which is essentially "I decide who is based or cringe" >centuries later get praised by Cinemaphile morons not because of your wording but because of "dabbing on X"
>Black person khan
being a steppeBlack person savavge on horseback is nothing special, see: Attila
even gayzar and gaysander are pushing it, Napoleon mogs all of them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Quintessential mutt post, devoid of any intelligence, not even an accidentally insightful remark.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"I decide who is based or cringe"
why redditors spam this meme so much
are they bots? >but muh
Farinata degli Umbarti his mortal enemy is presented as the biggest chad of hell and Dante is even ashemed of meeting him
LOL
>dude I've read divine comedy trust me >rentfree about America
seething brownoids
I agree that he was a savage barbarian but saying he was nothing special is just trying too hard to be contrarian.
No other steppe nomad achieved anything close to what Genghis Khan did. Not even Atilla.
Black person Khan achieved absolutely nothing other than setting the civilization back and destroying many things
just like Attila and Tamerlane they were incredibly lucky to lunch their steppenig chimpout against weakned and divided states
that blob image on the map was formed mostly after his death and got quickly shattered into multiple states
10 months ago
Anonymous
You haven’t read it though, and being american you’re more likely brown than anyone else ITT
10 months ago
Anonymous
>still seething and rentfree
jokes on you I didn't even say anything about being American
your shitposts on hongkong sweatshop forum can't change the fact that divine comedy is just a massive shitpost
10 months ago
Anonymous
>reddit filename
cope tard
10 months ago
Anonymous
>phonepic file is now reddit
I accept your concession moron
>intricate metre and beautiful verse? huh? >painstakingly weaving philosophy, theology, mysticism, history, politics and psychology in order to represent the totality of human experience and contextualise the base and grotesque within the transcendent? an incredibly intellectually complex vision of spiritual enlightenment? >nah, reddit told me it was a shitpost lol.
Uh huh. Go be a midwit mutt on Cinemaphile
>muh reddit this muh reddit that >just typing mouthfilling words
you seem to be well versed on reddit and Cinemaphile why don't (You) go back?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>no argument
Concession noted
10 months ago
Anonymous
>moves goalpost first >then copes with no u
I accept your concession
redditard
how is mentioning that something has beautiful verse and complex themes “mouthfilling”? maybe getting your mouth filled was just on your mind you wienersucking gay?
projecting much? Because I doubt your projector brain would handle words like protracted or interminable.
10 months ago
Anonymous
what goalpost? are you just spouting buzzwords in a panic?
10 months ago
Anonymous
how is mentioning that something has beautiful verse and complex themes “mouthfilling”? maybe getting your mouth filled was just on your mind you wienersucking gay?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>intricate metre and beautiful verse? huh? >painstakingly weaving philosophy, theology, mysticism, history, politics and psychology in order to represent the totality of human experience and contextualise the base and grotesque within the transcendent? an incredibly intellectually complex vision of spiritual enlightenment? >nah, reddit told me it was a shitpost lol.
Uh huh. Go be a midwit mutt on Cinemaphile
10 months ago
Anonymous
what book is that?
10 months ago
Anonymous
dunno saved it off reddit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Divine Comedy with the original drawings/portraits but of course our illiterate LARPer friend here
what goalpost? are you just spouting buzzwords in a panic?
dunno saved it off reddit.
couldn't recognize them despite his claim of being well-versed on Dante's shitposts
P.S. still moving goalposts
10 months ago
Anonymous
actually explain what goalpost was moved you moronic mutt
10 months ago
Anonymous
>feigning ignorance >still rentfree
let me explain it to you, (You) single digit iq attention whoring moron >be (You) >get assblasted over a joke >bringup americans out of nowhere >hurrr durrr you've never read Dante's works >I post Dante's works >hurrr durrr it's reddit >hurrr durrr reddit this reddit that
lol
lmao
Imagine someone who ignores shakespeares actual use of language and any thematic content of his plays, and reduces them down to “lol people in costumes not recognising eachother and causing silly conflicts”. You’d assume that person had never actually seen or read shakespeare or that they were moronic
>muh shakespeare >nooooo you can't have fun on malaysian basket weaving forum
here's your last (You)
10 months ago
Anonymous
what part of that is moving goalposts? >you give low IQ stolen reddit take >you haven’t read the book >you owning a copy with completely clean straight pages is proof you haven’t read it
10 months ago
Anonymous
(You)
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cringe
10 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine someone who ignores shakespeares actual use of language and any thematic content of his plays, and reduces them down to “lol people in costumes not recognising eachother and causing silly conflicts”. You’d assume that person had never actually seen or read shakespeare or that they were moronic
10 months ago
Anonymous
Divine Comedy with illustrations by Gustave Dore
I imagine it's a multi-volume set (Inferno, Purgatorio, Paradiso) given that there's three books there and he probably didn't buy the same Barnes and Noble leatherbound that I have three separate times
10 months ago
Anonymous
Correct. They're three volume because the translator goes into long details in footnotes to explain things properly. Half of the time the size of the footnote is bigger than Dante's verses.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>>dude I've read divine comedy trust me
like all italians
you are italian?
no?
frick off
10 months ago
Anonymous
>look at me! im shitalian!
the absolute state of this pastamunching attentionprostitute
10 months ago
Anonymous
Why is he wearing an Irish flag shirt
10 months ago
Anonymous
because it's a depiction of the average irishman
10 months ago
Anonymous
BARBARIAN BTFO
>phonepic file is now reddit
I accept your concession moron
[...] >muh reddit this muh reddit that >just typing mouthfilling words
you seem to be well versed on reddit and Cinemaphile why don't (You) go back?
yes reddit
10 months ago
Anonymous
(You)
10 months ago
Anonymous
nice try satan
10 months ago
Anonymous
>that blob image on the map
ah yes, the esteemed grand strategy scholar
10 months ago
Anonymous
(You) >0 reading comprehension
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"I decide who is based or cringe"
why redditors spam this meme so much
are they bots? >but muh
Farinata degli Umbarti his mortal enemy is presented as the biggest chad of hell and Dante is even ashemed of meeting him
LOL
10 months ago
Anonymous
it’s a losing battle, like 12 different redditors have given the same take in this thread alone. not one of them will have read it
10 months ago
Anonymous
I agree that he was a savage barbarian but saying he was nothing special is just trying too hard to be contrarian.
No other steppe nomad achieved anything close to what Genghis Khan did. Not even Atilla.
the republic died a very slow death as its politics became entangled with moneyed interests suppressing anything that might hurt their economic domination of the republic, complete with bought and paid for mob violence (haha don't worry though the past never repeats itself)
It was already long dead even when Sulla took charge as dictator to try and fix it, Caesar and Augustus after him knew that the best they could do was try to uphold the pretense of a republican dictatorship, because it would be preferable to republican oligarchy. And they were right, and created a golden age.
The republic died when Marius realized he could just maintain the loyalty of the troops and no one else really has fighting ability so they can't do shit.
paradiso is a gigantic midwit filter since you need to be well versed in classical and scholastic philosophy to follow it. morons just want the heckin epic ironic punishments
Where the frick do amerimutt prots get this idea that dante is canonical from? He literally put several popes in hell. I swear protmutts will do anything to demonise classical literature
Once again it’s a midwit filter. Think about how that part of hell is presented, it’s literally just the elysian fields. He’s commenting on how pagans had a spiritually shallow view of beatitude which revolved around personal fame and worldly joys. They get exactly what they wanted, but without the connection to God all these things are hollow and a little sad, albeit comfortable.
Maybe Inferno would work, but the other two parts wouldnt, and even that's a stretch. A film length infodump about ancient and medieval figures most people never heard of.
I pray that it never gets adapted, especially by mutts (israelites)
It is the last bastion of western culture that is still unsoiled by israelites and mutts
>tfw you realize dante aligheri largely only wrote the Divine Comedy as a allegorical polemic to attack his contemporary political & literary enemies while he was cucked in exile, so unless you have a thorough knowledge of the legal & economic & cultural conflicts of Florence at the time of its composition, most of the poems references are meaningless to modern readers
that’s a minor element of it you complete fricking pseud. the entire thing is a giant allegory for the entirety of human experience and existence, the contemporary elements are minor. redditfrog posters always have dogshit opinions
regardless of its quality, I believe the book is just the biggest shitpost in history and actually meant to talk shit about his enemies, at least hell. dante was quite based
this might surprise you but not everyone is a homosexual who takes his opinions from threads on Cinemaphile and youtube. farinata degli umberti is thrown to hell because dante didn't like him. I'm not saying that my opinion is original because nothing is, just to be clear
And like people have pointed out hundreds of times, he has some people he massively respected in hell too. The point is that it combines people from his present as well as figures from history and mythology in order to present the eternal reality of hell. Your take is the most shallow midwit shit ever which is why it’s unoriginal, it doesn’t require comprehension of any of dante’s themes to say
he sucks the dick of people he didn’t like too. the point is that they represent aspects of human psychology and sin or virtue. if he doesn’t pity someone in hell, it’s because he recognised the unpitiable nature of their sin, not them as people. as he repeatedly states they’re just shades and not actual human beings anymore
>greatest poetic and spiritual work in human history >don’t bother reading it >see a reddit comment reducing it to some sort of meme >decide that’s your opinion on it from now on >genuinely repeat some random redditors opinion with complete authority every time the book is brought up from now on
>creates one of the greatest literary works of all time whilst simultaneously irreparably damaging Christianity for the rest of time by convincing the general public that Hell is some sort of eternal torture realm where demons poke you with pitchforks and eat your balls
how did he do it bros?
that wasn’t his fault. it’s very clear it’s a spiritual allegory and the punishments represent the moral mutilation that the souls willingly inflict on themselves. you have fire and brimstone demon spit roasting depictions of hell even back in anglo saxon england, it’s always been a thing.
well apart from the thematics, Dante choose to write the Divine commedy in the tuscan dialect.
For historical background, at that time in italy literary language was latin, and only nobles, scholars and religious figures knew it, if you went to church the mass would have been done in latin.
The problem is that the general population didn't knew it, they usually spoken the local dialect of their regions.
This choice of dante paved the route of a common language for the various italian regions, and helped spreading literacy to the masses, other authors like Petrarca and Boccacio, helped refine the language even more to what became the modern italian.
Now you had a situation when a religious text like the bible was available only in latin, with some important verses translated in local dialects. While the divine commedy was one of the first books that normal people could read, and probably their first exposure to more deep concepts regarding hell and paradise. And this went on for 1-2 centuries, until the church decided to use the local languages for its rituals after the happening of protestant reforms of 1600, and then it got spread to normal people too.
>whilst simultaneously irreparably damaging Christianity
this was just the common viewpoint at the time, and frankly, its hard to blame them for thinking that. the bible doesn't go deep into what hell is, but its generally made out to be eternal
>the bible doesn't go deep into what hell is
Hell is not mentioned in the bible at all, the closest thing to it is when its said Satan and his demons will be thrown into a lake of fire.
Heaven is also not a thing. What the bible actually says is that those who follow Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life with God, and those who don´t will just stay dead. There is no afterlife in the bible, only life and resurrection.
>In Canto No. 28 of ‘Hell’, Dante described his imaginary meeting with “Mahomet” (Muhammad, peace be upon him). Misled by the utterly false and baseless stories circulated by ill-educated and prejudiced Christian and israeli historians of those dark ages of Europe, Dante quite wrongly assumed ‘ Mahomet’[2] and ‘Ali’[3] to have been fomenters of Schism in Christianity and in his misguided zeal proceeded to assign to both of them a place in his imaginary hell. He tarnished both in the said verses which offend against all moral and ethical standards and are too sordid and profane to be reproduced here. One who so desires may read them In any standard translation of Dante’s Inferno. English rendering by Dorothy Sayers, published as a Mentor publication is a popular book
>No barrel, not even one where the hoops and staves go Every which way, was ever split open like a frayed Sinner I saw, ripped from chin to where we fart below.
His guts hung between his legs and displayed His vital organs, including that wretched sack Which converts to shit whatever gets conveyed down the gullet. >As I stared at him he looked back And with his hands pulled his chest open, Saying, "See how I split open the crack in myself! See how twisted and broken Mohammed is! Before me walks Ali, his face Cleft from chin to crown, grief–stricken
Based Dante dabbing in muzzies. I wonder if modern ((people)) gonna cancel the third most based italian
>Dante quite wrongly assumed ‘ Mahomet’[2] and ‘Ali’[3] to have been fomenters of Schism in Christianity
that's literally what happened though. What religion do you think all the Arabs were before Islam? They fricking hated israelites just like everyone else always did and always will.
>Roman nose
Are Roman ruling nobility related to israelites or meds or something.
None of the statues have european noses.
Apart from that Tacitus book Germania confirms Romans had brown eyes and black hair .
Blond hair became fashion in Rome after the conquer of Germanic Gauls.
Bought it on a whim and read it a few years ago. Inferno was fine though having absolutely no clue about the politics of the time kind of soured it a bit for me. Purgatory is actually my favourite. I didn't know anything about it before reading and the way up the mountain with Beatrice at the top was great. Paradise filtered me hard and I should probably give it another try.
Crazy how I can understand 1300 Italian with modern Italian knowledge, when I tried to read Chaucer with my English knowledge I had to keep a dictionary nearby
chaucer is really not that bad. I don’t see how anyone would struggle with him
In th'olde dayes of the Kyng Arthour,
Of which that Britons speken greet honour,
All was this land fulfild of fayerye.
The elf-queene, with hir joly compaignye,
Daunced ful ofte in many a grene mede.
This was the olde opinion, as I rede;
I speke of manye hundred yeres ago.
But now kan no man se none elves mo,
For now the grete charitee and prayeres
Of lymytours and othere hooly freres,
That serchen every lond and every streem,
As thikke as motes in the sonne-beem,
Blessynge halles, chambres, kichenes, boures,
Citees, burghes, castels, hye toures,
Thropes, bernes, shipnes, dayeryes,
This maketh that ther been no fayeryes.
>be me >write a super frick-long autistic series that is blatant self-insert fanfiction where i meet all of mine personal heroes, everyone i hate suffers immensely while everyone i likes adores me [especially my unrequited crush], i do nothing wrong and the world revolves only around me and what i like >be Dante Alighieri >pic unrelated
I thought so too, but not something you can really make a sequel to, unless its set in Hell again. Purgatory or Heaven wouldn't lend themselves well to that kind of gameplay.
I actually liked Purgatorio the best, although Inferno tends to have the best narrative adaptations in literature and film for obvious reasons >watch What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams, it's kino
>I wish Pasolini made one. The subject of the Divine Comedy seems to have been a recurring thing in his work
I too noticed this. The angel in “The Franklins Tale” of Racconti do Canterbury quotes Dante and also in Hawks and Sparrows the name of the traveling comedy troupe are “The Dantist Dentists”.
Also for the record, I wish he had adapted Aristophanes bawdy plays.
I mean, the environment and characters are really cool, but the story would be somewhat boring >Man walks with his mentor and talks to this character (which you need to understand the politics of 13th century Florence to get what they're really talking about) and then moves on to the next. Not to mention if you wanted to include every part he visits, it'd be a very long movie
Also >Banishes gay people to Hell in a scorching desert where it rains fireballs because they're violent against nature
Not gonna happen
yeah if you want to adapt it, you should at least make it a tv show. But yeah the main problem is that you need a good grasp of history and the various figures he talks about to really undestand, something like this will never be made if they actually want to make money out of it
what if you introduced a new character alongside dante and virgil to explain stuff, but also make ironic pop culture jokes along the way? like maybe in the circle of wrath he explains who the people are and why they’re there, and then you get a gag about a plot reserved for donald trump.
You're memeing but the sad thing is, if Hollywood made this shit this is exactly the type of things they would do. Virgil would be black and gay because of course and every villain will be huwite.
what if you introduced a new character alongside dante and virgil to explain stuff, but also make ironic pop culture jokes along the way? like maybe in the circle of wrath he explains who the people are and why they’re there, and then you get a gag about a plot reserved for donald trump.
what is the problem?
people will discover history
how?
FLASHBACKs
the show will be half hell, half Dante warrior and political live + italian medieval history
Would an episodic documentary work? They show the scenes but also have a narrator explain the context and maybe go on tangents to explain what's going on
yes is basically not knowing Don Quixote, Romeo & Juliet or Odissey, probably very few have really learned them, but everyone has heard of them, is bare minimum knowledge
I read, wasn't funny at all, thinking of suing for false advertising
>your heretic political enemy burn in hell
>not funny
The part with mohammed was really funny though, I knew nothing of the book so wasn't expecting it and started laughing
post it
no its not
I find it hilarious that there's 4 popes right there with him
house that jack built?
Is he okay? Mentally?
This one is pretty good
It also doesn't pussy out of showing Muhammed
legit scary shit
Now this is the true old school kino shit.
What part has Moham in it?
coffin joe trilogy has hell and purgatory
?t=3270
>the betrayal of Julius Caesar was almost as bad as the betrayal of Jesus
Dante was too real for this
Dante was based and understand Ceasar's death = Republic death = classic age death.
The Republic died when Caesar rose. He destroyed the Republic and led in the age of Emperors. Wtf are you talking about.
He declared himself king ffs. Sorry "dictator for life"
before the cross of rubicon Ceasar proposed to make Cisalpine gual part of italy.
if the senate accepted that, in no way Ceasar could had stormed Rome.
Before the cross of Rubicon ceasaar proposed a peace deal to become governor of Illyria, the senate refused.
Ceasar diid anything in his power to save the republic, sadly the senate would never accept to keep it alive
>Ceasar diid anything in his power to save the republic, sadly the senate would never accept to keep it alive
You know damn well that ain't true.
Caesar was a comet in history. Like Alexander the Great or Napoleon. He was a fricking world changing titan. He never wanted to "keep" the Republic as much as he wanted to rule it. It was in his nature.
He was not only a brilliant political mind, who played other shrewd politicians to his whims, but also a brilliant military commander. There was literally only one way his life could have gone, and that's the way it went.
>comet
the difference with Ceasar and his other fellow conqueror is the will.
Ceasar always found always in the worst possible situation and get away.
He was a patrician who side with Marius after he lost.
He obtained his first triumph and the senate stopped him.
Britain campain a complete disaster
Gaul revolt.
Civil war
Egyptian siege.
Numidia and Spain.
He wasn't the choosen one born to win, he wasa unlicky dude who always found himself in the worst possible situation and always won.
This is the difference
>brillnt political mind
his reform are still used as an example of perfection even today
loved by all roman population etc..
You described what I'd refer to as a comet. Like Napoleon and Alexander the Great, who wasn't the son of an emperor but a king (pretty great one but not guaranteed to inherit an empire).
These mofos simply bend fate to their will, or rather, it looks like they were literally chosen by fate, considering the impact they have and the superhuman feats they pulled.
Like I said, Caesar was heading for the throne or the grave and he knew it.
The Senate feared him for this reason from the start.
this I dunno how that guy is arguing that caesar had republican principles. he got anthony to make a big show of presenting him with a crown only to back off when people jeered. he clearly wanted it
absoluteto nope.
the show was the biggest proof Ceasar didn't want a crown.
Anthony organied the show because he wanted Ceasar a King because he belived to be his heir.
the scene was utter strange
everyone in the public silent like a dog, ready to accept his king and Ceasar refuse the crown?
Ceasar just belived to be a second Silla, he wanted reform the dyoing republic and then go away.
Napoelon is more similar to ceasar but not alexander who his father literally produced the first professional army of history ready to him to use.
>the senate feared him.
the senate feared hi reforms who would make their corruption disappier.
Roman republic expanded so much but still only italy could take part of the democratic process?
the integrated population who spoke latin could not join the senate?
this was the death sentence of the republic Ceasar understand.
if people are forced to be slaves then they will choices their master insted.
>Napoelon is more similar to ceasar but not alexander who his father literally produced the first professional army of history ready to him to use.
True, but Alexander's father was a pygmy compared to what his son became. But yes, he did have a head start... kind of even though Philip wasn't that kind, and even had another son afterwards, so Alexander had to fight for it.
I like your points, but here's the deal, Caesar not only declared himself dictator for life (king).
You don't need to look further than that to see what his true ambition was. He marched on Rome, man knowing what it would mean.
He tried justifying his actions , but the end-result was clear.
I side with Cato on Caesar, always have.
>dictator for life
Silla did the same and resigned 1 year later.
PLS answare this question
DO YOU BELIVE HE WANTED TO BE A KING SINCE DAY 1?
my point is if the senate had accepted Ceasar's reforms, the senate would had won
his all support came from the """barbarians""" rich families who wanted be part of the state.
His power came from the Cisalpine Gaul position, if was part of italy to storm Rome he needed to pass the alps instead of a river.
etc....
democracy is not a monolith and need to adapt to survive.
10 years of Ceasar democratic rules is better then 1000 years of despotic empire.
The senate was just afraid of change, this is why lost.
Could Genghis Khan be considered one of these titans of human history alongside Alexander, Caesar and Napoleon?
On one side, he was a bloodthirsty barbarian and his exploits arguably hindered civilization instead of advancing it, on other side, he was a man of unparalleled drive, changed human history forever (for better or worse) and bent reality to his will.
nope
Kublai was way better
the mongols expansion was just the natural process fo stabilization.
technology allowed their expansion thanks heavy lancer.
he failed to conquest all of China and just united the nomads.
also his genocide destroyed his possible legacy of empire.
Qublay was the one who created the empire
>write a carefully worded shitpost which is essentially "I decide who is based or cringe"
>centuries later get praised by Cinemaphile morons not because of your wording but because of "dabbing on X"
>Black person khan
being a steppeBlack person savavge on horseback is nothing special, see: Attila
even gayzar and gaysander are pushing it, Napoleon mogs all of them.
Quintessential mutt post, devoid of any intelligence, not even an accidentally insightful remark.
>dude I've read divine comedy trust me
>rentfree about America
seething brownoids
Black person Khan achieved absolutely nothing other than setting the civilization back and destroying many things
just like Attila and Tamerlane they were incredibly lucky to lunch their steppenig chimpout against weakned and divided states
that blob image on the map was formed mostly after his death and got quickly shattered into multiple states
You haven’t read it though, and being american you’re more likely brown than anyone else ITT
>still seething and rentfree
jokes on you I didn't even say anything about being American
your shitposts on hongkong sweatshop forum can't change the fact that divine comedy is just a massive shitpost
>reddit filename
cope tard
>phonepic file is now reddit
I accept your concession moron
>muh reddit this muh reddit that
>just typing mouthfilling words
you seem to be well versed on reddit and Cinemaphile why don't (You) go back?
>no argument
Concession noted
>moves goalpost first
>then copes with no u
I accept your concession
redditard
projecting much? Because I doubt your projector brain would handle words like protracted or interminable.
what goalpost? are you just spouting buzzwords in a panic?
how is mentioning that something has beautiful verse and complex themes “mouthfilling”? maybe getting your mouth filled was just on your mind you wienersucking gay?
>intricate metre and beautiful verse? huh?
>painstakingly weaving philosophy, theology, mysticism, history, politics and psychology in order to represent the totality of human experience and contextualise the base and grotesque within the transcendent? an incredibly intellectually complex vision of spiritual enlightenment?
>nah, reddit told me it was a shitpost lol.
Uh huh. Go be a midwit mutt on Cinemaphile
what book is that?
dunno saved it off reddit.
Divine Comedy with the original drawings/portraits but of course our illiterate LARPer friend here
couldn't recognize them despite his claim of being well-versed on Dante's shitposts
P.S. still moving goalposts
actually explain what goalpost was moved you moronic mutt
>feigning ignorance
>still rentfree
let me explain it to you, (You) single digit iq attention whoring moron
>be (You)
>get assblasted over a joke
>bringup americans out of nowhere
>hurrr durrr you've never read Dante's works
>I post Dante's works
>hurrr durrr it's reddit
>hurrr durrr reddit this reddit that
lol
lmao
>muh shakespeare
>nooooo you can't have fun on malaysian basket weaving forum
here's your last (You)
what part of that is moving goalposts?
>you give low IQ stolen reddit take
>you haven’t read the book
>you owning a copy with completely clean straight pages is proof you haven’t read it
(You)
Cringe
Imagine someone who ignores shakespeares actual use of language and any thematic content of his plays, and reduces them down to “lol people in costumes not recognising eachother and causing silly conflicts”. You’d assume that person had never actually seen or read shakespeare or that they were moronic
Divine Comedy with illustrations by Gustave Dore
I imagine it's a multi-volume set (Inferno, Purgatorio, Paradiso) given that there's three books there and he probably didn't buy the same Barnes and Noble leatherbound that I have three separate times
Correct. They're three volume because the translator goes into long details in footnotes to explain things properly. Half of the time the size of the footnote is bigger than Dante's verses.
>>dude I've read divine comedy trust me
like all italians
you are italian?
no?
frick off
>look at me! im shitalian!
the absolute state of this pastamunching attentionprostitute
Why is he wearing an Irish flag shirt
because it's a depiction of the average irishman
BARBARIAN BTFO
yes reddit
(You)
nice try satan
>that blob image on the map
ah yes, the esteemed grand strategy scholar
(You)
>0 reading comprehension
>"I decide who is based or cringe"
why redditors spam this meme so much
are they bots?
>but muh
Farinata degli Umbarti his mortal enemy is presented as the biggest chad of hell and Dante is even ashemed of meeting him
LOL
it’s a losing battle, like 12 different redditors have given the same take in this thread alone. not one of them will have read it
I agree that he was a savage barbarian but saying he was nothing special is just trying too hard to be contrarian.
No other steppe nomad achieved anything close to what Genghis Khan did. Not even Atilla.
this reads like someone satirizing the great man hypothesis, but i see from your other posts you really are just a midwit
Sulla did it first
the republic died a very slow death as its politics became entangled with moneyed interests suppressing anything that might hurt their economic domination of the republic, complete with bought and paid for mob violence (haha don't worry though the past never repeats itself)
It was already long dead even when Sulla took charge as dictator to try and fix it, Caesar and Augustus after him knew that the best they could do was try to uphold the pretense of a republican dictatorship, because it would be preferable to republican oligarchy. And they were right, and created a golden age.
The republic died when Marius realized he could just maintain the loyalty of the troops and no one else really has fighting ability so they can't do shit.
Bluepilled take.
Dante would be played by a black trans woman
we aren’t ready for it. midwits still don’t understand the spiritual and philosophical beauty of dante. he is the best poet who ever lived easily
It would be extremely long and extremely boring, especially after Inferno which is by far the most entertaining part.
paradise is the best part
Inferno is just the most spammed one
paradiso is a gigantic midwit filter since you need to be well versed in classical and scholastic philosophy to follow it. morons just want the heckin epic ironic punishments
farting demon band. cope
Correct.
>book is called divine comedy
>not even funny
>me chad
>people i don't like? virgin
>the Pope: CANON
Where the frick do amerimutt prots get this idea that dante is canonical from? He literally put several popes in hell. I swear protmutts will do anything to demonise classical literature
Based
Frick papists
he put a few people he admired in hell and people he didn’t like in heaven
also his rival Farinata is in hell but still proud and Dante his forced to speak to him with respect.
I think an animated movie would be so cool.
>trannime slop
No.
Based moron who doesn’t read and gets every opinion second hand
It's a western animation, you double moron.
>Didn't get baptized? Died before jesus existed? Tough shit, guess you're in limbo for eternity lul
Yeah God was cray cray before he became a dad.
Underrated poast
Limbo is okay though
Baptism doesn't save. Catholicism is a false doctrine
>Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
he explicitly mentions that jesus came to hell and liberated a bunch of pre christians
plus the place where avicenna and aristotle are is not that bad
Once again it’s a midwit filter. Think about how that part of hell is presented, it’s literally just the elysian fields. He’s commenting on how pagans had a spiritually shallow view of beatitude which revolved around personal fame and worldly joys. They get exactly what they wanted, but without the connection to God all these things are hollow and a little sad, albeit comfortable.
The Elysian Fields are mad comfy, I need not be anywhere close to the celestial throne if I can just chill there.
Limbo is literally pleddit. you would have fun redditor.
Give us a movie version of the Xbox 360 game
Maybe Inferno would work, but the other two parts wouldnt, and even that's a stretch. A film length infodump about ancient and medieval figures most people never heard of.
Paradise is the best part and Purgatory is even edgier of Hell.
you just read the first part right?
All of it. I like them, but most filmgoers would be bored.
I pray that it never gets adapted, especially by mutts (israelites)
It is the last bastion of western culture that is still unsoiled by israelites and mutts
Its entire premise is fusing israelite mythology with roman mythology and the author's personal grudges irl
dude shakespeare is just le silly comedy and people dying with israelite israelite speeches. gods i’m smart
This is what I mean, third worlders would do an horrible job at interpreting it
spics are the compensating pagan larpers calling it israeli
Wanna get a doormat for my house that says "Abandon all hope ye who enter here". I'm worried its pretty cringe though.
no that’s funny and not pretentious since people recognise it. it’s not cringe
Incredibly cringe that shit hurts to read
You'd be better off with a dachshund themed floor mat
Is the brand who everyone remembers and spread like advertising
>abandon all chuck ye who sneed here
Gay.
For a brief moment I thought this was Jackass
Frick me. I've thought this too before, why is that? Lmao. This isn't an isolated incident , why are our brains wired this way?
The guy biting the boat always gets me even in the original painting.
*mogs GoW*
>xbox
I actually played it on psp but I still liked it
there ain't no sunshine when she's gone
The combat and level design was excellent but the story wasn't compelling at all. Dante was completely generic and unlikeable.
Nope, circle circle circle circle circle (B in Xbox), kill all enemies with ranged cross attack
good, not everything needs to be a jrpg
The level design is 11/10 kino, I wish violence was a bigger level
the frick was this homie problem
a reminder to sodomites that men giving head is a sin
I can't see it happening, the only reason most people remember the group is because they recorded the Father Ted theme tune.
A shame when they also made these gems:
The national express:
Something for the weekend:
Becoming more like Alfie:
>tfw you realize dante aligheri largely only wrote the Divine Comedy as a allegorical polemic to attack his contemporary political & literary enemies while he was cucked in exile, so unless you have a thorough knowledge of the legal & economic & cultural conflicts of Florence at the time of its composition, most of the poems references are meaningless to modern readers
Ghibellines > Guelphs. Emperors not Popes ok? Praise Jesus. Guelphs are literally merchants.
i will support the ghibellines when the emperor of the roman empire will be a roman who rules in Rome.
that’s a minor element of it you complete fricking pseud. the entire thing is a giant allegory for the entirety of human experience and existence, the contemporary elements are minor. redditfrog posters always have dogshit opinions
>t. youtuber video watcher
his enemies are in paradise and his friends in hell
The dude literally memorised the entire aenid and large parts of aquinas. He IQ mogs anyone criticising him
regardless of its quality, I believe the book is just the biggest shitpost in history and actually meant to talk shit about his enemies, at least hell. dante was quite based
>it’s copypaste I haven’t read it reddit take #5909 in this thread alone
Is there some video essay saying this all of you are regurgitating
this might surprise you but not everyone is a homosexual who takes his opinions from threads on Cinemaphile and youtube. farinata degli umberti is thrown to hell because dante didn't like him. I'm not saying that my opinion is original because nothing is, just to be clear
And like people have pointed out hundreds of times, he has some people he massively respected in hell too. The point is that it combines people from his present as well as figures from history and mythology in order to present the eternal reality of hell. Your take is the most shallow midwit shit ever which is why it’s unoriginal, it doesn’t require comprehension of any of dante’s themes to say
yes, and? he talks shit about people he doesn't like and sucks the dick of those he likes
he sucks the dick of people he didn’t like too. the point is that they represent aspects of human psychology and sin or virtue. if he doesn’t pity someone in hell, it’s because he recognised the unpitiable nature of their sin, not them as people. as he repeatedly states they’re just shades and not actual human beings anymore
La Farinata degli Umberti was his mortal enemy
he is the biggest chad of hell who even virgilius respect him.
stop watching israelitetube and start reading the book
I’m a big fan of the inferno adaptation with Cromwell and McDermott set in sleazy 90s/00s LA
>greatest poetic and spiritual work in human history
>don’t bother reading it
>see a reddit comment reducing it to some sort of meme
>decide that’s your opinion on it from now on
>genuinely repeat some random redditors opinion with complete authority every time the book is brought up from now on
He just made this to attack people he didn’t like.
God is the ghost writer
Afterlife update patch notes to clarify the recents doubts
For that we need to first get the series of the Republic
>creates one of the greatest literary works of all time whilst simultaneously irreparably damaging Christianity for the rest of time by convincing the general public that Hell is some sort of eternal torture realm where demons poke you with pitchforks and eat your balls
how did he do it bros?
that wasn’t his fault. it’s very clear it’s a spiritual allegory and the punishments represent the moral mutilation that the souls willingly inflict on themselves. you have fire and brimstone demon spit roasting depictions of hell even back in anglo saxon england, it’s always been a thing.
divine comedy is canon protestanttard
ask children
well apart from the thematics, Dante choose to write the Divine commedy in the tuscan dialect.
For historical background, at that time in italy literary language was latin, and only nobles, scholars and religious figures knew it, if you went to church the mass would have been done in latin.
The problem is that the general population didn't knew it, they usually spoken the local dialect of their regions.
This choice of dante paved the route of a common language for the various italian regions, and helped spreading literacy to the masses, other authors like Petrarca and Boccacio, helped refine the language even more to what became the modern italian.
Now you had a situation when a religious text like the bible was available only in latin, with some important verses translated in local dialects. While the divine commedy was one of the first books that normal people could read, and probably their first exposure to more deep concepts regarding hell and paradise. And this went on for 1-2 centuries, until the church decided to use the local languages for its rituals after the happening of protestant reforms of 1600, and then it got spread to normal people too.
>whilst simultaneously irreparably damaging Christianity
this was just the common viewpoint at the time, and frankly, its hard to blame them for thinking that. the bible doesn't go deep into what hell is, but its generally made out to be eternal
is canon
>the bible doesn't go deep into what hell is
Hell is not mentioned in the bible at all, the closest thing to it is when its said Satan and his demons will be thrown into a lake of fire.
Heaven is also not a thing. What the bible actually says is that those who follow Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life with God, and those who don´t will just stay dead. There is no afterlife in the bible, only life and resurrection.
https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=niv:Matthew%2013:42
Hell is 100% mentioned in the bible, jesus talks about hell more than anyone else
is it true that dante thought homosexuals were worse than murderers?
>In Canto No. 28 of ‘Hell’, Dante described his imaginary meeting with “Mahomet” (Muhammad, peace be upon him). Misled by the utterly false and baseless stories circulated by ill-educated and prejudiced Christian and israeli historians of those dark ages of Europe, Dante quite wrongly assumed ‘ Mahomet’[2] and ‘Ali’[3] to have been fomenters of Schism in Christianity and in his misguided zeal proceeded to assign to both of them a place in his imaginary hell. He tarnished both in the said verses which offend against all moral and ethical standards and are too sordid and profane to be reproduced here. One who so desires may read them In any standard translation of Dante’s Inferno. English rendering by Dorothy Sayers, published as a Mentor publication is a popular book
i need to chekc the early life
>No barrel, not even one where the hoops and staves go Every which way, was ever split open like a frayed Sinner I saw, ripped from chin to where we fart below.
His guts hung between his legs and displayed His vital organs, including that wretched sack Which converts to shit whatever gets conveyed down the gullet.
>As I stared at him he looked back And with his hands pulled his chest open, Saying, "See how I split open the crack in myself! See how twisted and broken Mohammed is! Before me walks Ali, his face Cleft from chin to crown, grief–stricken
Based Dante dabbing in muzzies. I wonder if modern ((people)) gonna cancel the third most based italian
>3rd
the other 2?
Mussolini and Evola?
>Dante quite wrongly assumed ‘ Mahomet’[2] and ‘Ali’[3] to have been fomenters of Schism in Christianity
that's literally what happened though. What religion do you think all the Arabs were before Islam? They fricking hated israelites just like everyone else always did and always will.
wtf is that Dante's Nose !!
Roman nose
>Roman nose
Are Roman ruling nobility related to israelites or meds or something.
None of the statues have european noses.
Apart from that Tacitus book Germania confirms Romans had brown eyes and black hair .
Blond hair became fashion in Rome after the conquer of Germanic Gauls.
>ruling nobility
literally no one
Rome had 0 women and kidnap them from the local sabine.
>Are Romans related to meds or something?
>Are Roman ruling nobility related to israelites or meds or something.
>or meds
These are the people who call you a third worlder.
>Blond hair became fashion in Rome after the conquer of Germanic Gauls
It's not that it was "fashion" meds and nords just mated.
>still no divine comedy movie or tv series
Small miracles still exist.
Bought it on a whim and read it a few years ago. Inferno was fine though having absolutely no clue about the politics of the time kind of soured it a bit for me. Purgatory is actually my favourite. I didn't know anything about it before reading and the way up the mountain with Beatrice at the top was great. Paradise filtered me hard and I should probably give it another try.
Crazy how I can understand 1300 Italian with modern Italian knowledge, when I tried to read Chaucer with my English knowledge I had to keep a dictionary nearby
chaucer is really not that bad. I don’t see how anyone would struggle with him
In th'olde dayes of the Kyng Arthour,
Of which that Britons speken greet honour,
All was this land fulfild of fayerye.
The elf-queene, with hir joly compaignye,
Daunced ful ofte in many a grene mede.
This was the olde opinion, as I rede;
I speke of manye hundred yeres ago.
But now kan no man se none elves mo,
For now the grete charitee and prayeres
Of lymytours and othere hooly freres,
That serchen every lond and every streem,
As thikke as motes in the sonne-beem,
Blessynge halles, chambres, kichenes, boures,
Citees, burghes, castels, hye toures,
Thropes, bernes, shipnes, dayeryes,
This maketh that ther been no fayeryes.
In Italy it's popular to have actors read it in theatre.
Link related, Gassman has been dead for decades now, but he's one of the best Italian actors of his time.
Like Lovecraft, adapting literature to the big screen, especially with an army of midwits, is never a good idea.
The Cell there you go a modern Divine Comedy
>be me
>write a super frick-long autistic series that is blatant self-insert fanfiction where i meet all of mine personal heroes, everyone i hate suffers immensely while everyone i likes adores me [especially my unrequited crush], i do nothing wrong and the world revolves only around me and what i like
>be Dante Alighieri
>pic unrelated
Except he made his personal heroes suffer, too.
Game was kino
I thought so too, but not something you can really make a sequel to, unless its set in Hell again. Purgatory or Heaven wouldn't lend themselves well to that kind of gameplay.
I've seen some old japanese movies explore this concept.
I actually liked Purgatorio the best, although Inferno tends to have the best narrative adaptations in literature and film for obvious reasons
>watch What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams, it's kino
it's funny because the pic is true
>reddit pic
>funny
literally a bot
Why does Dante look like a israelite?
>it's a zoomer discovers israelites can't be defined by a single caricature episode
because you're a moron
roman nose like Ceasar fricking moron
The oldest feature film currently available is literally a divine comedy adaptation
Also
I wish Pasolini made one. The subject of the Divine Comedy seems to have been a recurring thing in his work
>I wish Pasolini made one. The subject of the Divine Comedy seems to have been a recurring thing in his work
I too noticed this. The angel in “The Franklins Tale” of Racconti do Canterbury quotes Dante and also in Hawks and Sparrows the name of the traveling comedy troupe are “The Dantist Dentists”.
Also for the record, I wish he had adapted Aristophanes bawdy plays.
What are you talking? This is kino of the highest order. We don't need anymore
>comedy
>no Adam Sandler
Filmmakers have called it unadaptable since the 1700s.
>Filmmakers have called it unadaptable since the 1700s.
So they're all talentless hacks
It truly was the Blood Meridian of the middle ages
I mean, the environment and characters are really cool, but the story would be somewhat boring
>Man walks with his mentor and talks to this character (which you need to understand the politics of 13th century Florence to get what they're really talking about) and then moves on to the next. Not to mention if you wanted to include every part he visits, it'd be a very long movie
Also
>Banishes gay people to Hell in a scorching desert where it rains fireballs because they're violent against nature
Not gonna happen
>boring
in the middle of the life is literally the first sentence.
>gay people
Sodom? Gohmorrah?
hello
yeah if you want to adapt it, you should at least make it a tv show. But yeah the main problem is that you need a good grasp of history and the various figures he talks about to really undestand, something like this will never be made if they actually want to make money out of it
what if you introduced a new character alongside dante and virgil to explain stuff, but also make ironic pop culture jokes along the way? like maybe in the circle of wrath he explains who the people are and why they’re there, and then you get a gag about a plot reserved for donald trump.
You're memeing but the sad thing is, if Hollywood made this shit this is exactly the type of things they would do. Virgil would be black and gay because of course and every villain will be huwite.
what is the problem?
people will discover history
how?
FLASHBACKs
the show will be half hell, half Dante warrior and political live + italian medieval history
Would an episodic documentary work? They show the scenes but also have a narrator explain the context and maybe go on tangents to explain what's going on
Isn't really Dante's Inferno, but still pretty good.
>dan brown
>good
if hes named dan white, will he suddenly becomes good then?
>thats y ur momma in hell
>what shoes she got on, in her flaming casket
>thats why your granny got broken tree branches
Any movie with an underworld would be technically influenced by Dante
Not necessarily, but most depictions of Hell are
All Papists need to frick off back to Rome. This is a Christian board for free men.
all german barbarians of their german religion need to frick off from europe.
How big is Dante outside of Italy? We studied him in school but I don't know if there would really be international appeal for such a movie
He's pretty well known internationally
big
In america is a simble of catholicism
the translators of his book were literally persecuted by anti-catholics
He's cited as one of the greatest writers of all time in pretty much every country
Am i stupid for not knowing what divine comedy is
Unbelievably, yes.
yes is basically not knowing Don Quixote, Romeo & Juliet or Odissey, probably very few have really learned them, but everyone has heard of them, is bare minimum knowledge
This is a great opportunity to go outside of your comfort zone and read some interesting literature.
There’s a silent film, newf
It sucked
this one was pretty good imo
Caesar was a communist who wanted to redistribute wealth to the proletariat.
Frick off
First Fascist