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This paragraphs serves to make Geroge (and the fans) feel like Star Wars is intelligent and important.
RLM lost
Both suck.
You lost
>Anon can read
Every time I saw one of the prequels in theaters, there was always people reading the crawl out loud for their illiterate small children. I literally never read any of it, because anonymous strangers were more than happy to do it for free. That didn't happen when I went to see the sequels... really says a lot without saying anything
>there was always people reading the crawl out loud for their illiterate small children.
cute
imagine going back 25 years and telling people the next new star wars will be so laughably bad that the prequel trilogy is looked back upon fondly.
Scratch that, imagine telling those people the 2020s will be so laughably bad that the 2000s will be looked back upon fondly
touche
Nah. 2020's might be a bit shit, but its still better than getting canceled 24/7 by butthurt burger jannies for taking the piss out of 9/11 and their military interventions.
underage detected
uhhh newbie i remember when there was the 9/11 sticky in 2001 on /misc/l/
Yeah except everyone laughed and ignored those people instead of kowtowing to them and letting them infiltrate and destroy the entertainment industry from within.
>except everyone laughed and ignored those people instead of kowtowing to them
The frick are you talking about? That dominated pop culture in that decade.
The Prequels, The Matrix, HP, LotR, Spider-Man, PotC etc dominated pop culture. Political news didn't affect your life unless you wanted it to
I remember watching a porno bts from the 2000s, the interviewer asked the porn star if she's paying attention to all the crazy stuff happening in the world. She said "I don't give a frick about news or politics" then she sucked his wiener. They can't even ask that question today, on a porn set, or anywhere else. I'm glad I work from home
Goddamn that post made me nostalgic for the early 2000's.
The Prequels, which were heavily influenced by then current politics?
Wow are you a 2001 oldgay too?
Yup. I started on Cinemaphile way back in the summer of 1987! I still remember my first Star Wars post, it was about whether Palpatine really died or not, due to that little speck you can see in the DS explosion.
This. I actually at having a blast these past few years. Only losers and homosexuals are complaining.
You weren't even born before 2001
Imagine people from the 2040s telling us how they look back fondly to the 2020s
That's 100% going to happen
The 2020s is already better than the 2010s, frick that decade
>The 2020s is already better than the 2010s, frick that decade
It's definitely been more interesting. It was fun watching the normalgays lose their shit during COVID. Otherwise inflation and gas prices would like to have a word with you.
holy frick im scared
Imagine telling someone from twenty years ago that a Han Solo movie failed to make money, not because it was bad, necessarily, but because everything surrounding it was so bad that it killed all remaining good will. With Star Wars fans.
Solo was a weird movie. I'd have to see them side-by-side but young Han seemed much shorter than Harrison Ford. Same with young and old Lando. They're already adults in solo though so idk why they had to cast so mini
The least of the movie's problems.
Its funny that prequel memers schiz out about "muh pozzed" and "muh politics" when the prequels were one large attack ad against Bush and neocons in general with such wonderful villain names like Nute fricking Gunray.
>Nute Gunray's name had two sources from real life. The first was the Republican congressman Newt Gingrich, and the second was former President of the United States Ronald Reagan. The former source was because George Lucas primarily wrote the Trade Federation members in terms of motives and characterizations in response to the 1994 Republican Revolution (which occurred eight days into Lucas's draft-writing the film), specifically then-Speaker of the House Gingrich's Contract with America, and the latter source was as a response to Reagan's SDI program being labeled "Star Wars" without Lucas' permission.
classic lucas
>Butthurt fat liberal boomer
Yep, classic Lucas.
zoomers retcon everything the opposite to how it was
republicans were frothing at the mouth about it being an anti-iraq war piece at the time and now it's some metaphor for le god emperor space trump or whatever schizo shit just because the prequels are libtard dogshit
No one was frothing about the prequel trilogy and lucas' clumsy political commentary. By the time RotS came out, star wars hype had died down and no one cared outside of random nerds.
I was working at Target when ROTS came out. People were camping out around the block overnight to get the lava Darth Vader figures. The hype was unreal. You can't tell me people did the same for Rose Tico.
>By the time RotS came out, star wars hype had died down and no one cared outside of random nerds.
Confirmed underage and/or moron. You can make the argument that SW hype died a bit after AOTC but it returned with a vengeance for ROTS. It was billed as the last Star Wars movie ever with Lucas going on record saying that he was done after this and there would be no Episodes 7, 8, 9 (there still isn't imo). It was a HUGE event.
>no episode 7, 8, 9
That's fine, we already got the continuation fans wanted with the EU and it was far better than anything lucas was going to come up with. Pretending they could erase it and replace it with their trash was disney's downfall
EU was good till they had the Vong 9/11 the setting into WarhammerLite.
>EU was good till they had the Vong 9/11 the setting into WarhammerLite.
The Vong were interesting and served their purpose of mixing things up since Empire vs Rebels was long past stale at that point. It's everything after that it becomes garbage because you can't top a galaxy ending threat so they just defaulted back to Galactic civil war 2.0 again. NJO should have been the end of the post ROTJ EU.
>NJO should have been the end of the post ROTJ EU
This
troy denning was the jj abrams of the eu and karen traviss was rian johnson
The Vong are shit but I like how Legacy just sidelined them. The ST should have taken a lot from Legacy honestly, it's a good Star Wars story at its core and humanized Stormtroopers before Disney even barely tried.
Shitting on neocons isn't pozzed.
Tbf, how could any sane human being defend the globohomosexual militaristic shitshow that was dubbya’s presidency?
Maybe if Lucas had made it during the Reagan years, it would’ve been 1000x better, my Black person from Mexico lol.
because every one of those homosexuals was frothing at the mouth for the war until we got into it and then the democrats switched to anti-war to win elections.
>one large attack ad against Bush
BILL CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE, butthole.
After watching TCW it all makes so much more sense.
Within seconds, the cheering and applause in the theater dims to indistinct muttering and nervous laughter.
>A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away
We all cheered massively.
>taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute.
WTF?
Then when Qui-Gonn is cutting through the door with his lightsaber with the music swelling and the alien is like "they're still coming through!". I knew they wanted me to feel something, but I was like, the Jedi are there to settle a fricking trade dispute?
Haha I bet you thought Jedi were some sort of mystical order of knights, but no! They're galactic politicians and the force is just little nanoparticles or something. That's what Lucas always intended so that means it's good.
Oh no, not taxes.
Just when you didn't think it could get worse... somehow...
B-Movie KINO. E IX is so bad its good, unironically.
I mean, I hate it less than VIII, but that was a low bar.
>so bad its good
The "somehow Palpatine returned" clip is so bad it's good, on its own.
The rest of the movie is barely-watchable boring junk, a series of fetch quests
through Fortnite nonetheless
I don't have a problem with how the paragraph is structured. "The Dead Speak!" is actually a pretty kino opening line ripped straight from a serial. It's the context of it being Palpatine, it being done through fricking FORTNITE and just the fact that it's the sequel trilogy that makes this shit so stupid. It would be perfectly tolerable as an opening statement if the movies were something actually interesting like a Zahn trilogy adaption.
Wtf, look at her arm!
That has to rate as the biggest asspull in cinematic histroy.
I still have not watched the movie. Is that really how it started?
Really?
>opening crawl is a reference to fricking fortnite
I hope they strike for so long that they starve to death
And hilariously, Palpatine's fortnite speech doesn't explain a damn thing either, it's just him announcing he's back.
But they had a whole event. JJ Abrams was there.
Aren't you engaged in the franchise?
based
bet most zoomers there don't even give a shit about star wars
>bet most zoomers there don't even give a shit about star wars
They don't. SW is almost entirety a Gen X/Millennial thing. At best zoomies only care about TCW cartoon.
The producers and execs and higher-ups who ghostwrote and manufactured that garbage are not the ones on strike
>REVENGE
BOOM
It didn't kill any hype, the movie was extremely successful.
What's the problem of this?
If the gigaBlack person villain returns to life, put it in the movie. Shit, could have had it as a cliffhanger at the end of Last Jedi
But they didn't think that far ahead
>better acting
>better character development
>better lightsaber duels
>better special effects
>no Jar Jar Binks
Objectively a better movie than TPM.
dey better now?
>better lightsaber duels
>Objectively a better movie than TPM.
>better ingredients
>better pizza
Papa John's
whiffle bat Star Wars.
>better acting
>better character development
>better lightsaber duels
lmao
>switching from text justified to centered
Honestly they should’ve been gassed for this alone.
The waltz is calling from space newspapers somebodys coming to read us some bread the earth, don't be afraid, don't be afraid, television saying, don't look at it don't mention it, the word is spring, somebodys coming from strange world, a deep voice coming from the earth, strong voice coming from the space!
At least the prequels have George’s autism and all 3 seem consistent
The sequels are all over the place
>taxation of trade routes
What were they thinking?
>Somehow
Why do people capitalise RANDOM words like that, it ALWAYS just makes your text LOOK like schizo ramblings.
>taxation of trade routes
now this... this is kino
What was palpatines tax policy?
To push a tax policy so aggressive that a war happens which he will then use to rise to power.
I know there's basically no chance of it happening, but God it would be funny if Lucas bought Star Wars back for less than he was paid.
>no chance of it happening
Why?
THE TEXT SCROLL IS IN UNIVERSE CANON BECAUSE THE CAMERA PANS DOWN TO THE FIRST SEQUENCE AND DOESNT CUT. THIS MEANS THERE ARE FLOATING TEXTS IN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE
Do the movies ever use other subtitles, like time/place stamps on establishing shots?
i don't know. i just know that the scrolling intro text continues to float away and exists in canon
Greedo and other aliens are subtitled
>have 16 years to plan
>rush out a first draft because toy sales were dropping
Lol
I have no idea how anyone has any respect for Lucas. The people that defend the special editions are a special kind of moronic.
shit, they're literally falling asleep during the first minute, let's call them DEADLY spaceships, that's exciting
THE TECHNO UNION IS AT YOUR DISPOSAL COUNT
I still don't get what's so bad about the plot having a political background. Phantom Menace has many issues and I wouldn't call it a great movie (not like the OT was all that good either), but I genuinely don't understand why Americans are always making up of "haha and then they talk about trade routes GET IT? haha so boring".
It really makes it seem like Americans have the attention span of a goldfish with ADHD and they get bored if the film isn't bing bang wazoo every second.
How do this people watch an actually good film like 12 Angry Men or 8 1/2, which involve tons of dialogue?
Because it's Star Wars. That's means light hearted action adventure with relatable themes. It is not a military sci fi space opera.
For me, it seems like George wanted to try and elevate Star Wars to a more intellectual level. Not because he had a great story to tell, but rather because he wanted Star Wars to be regarded as something more.
I understand that it wasn't given much depth, because it's just a simple conext to explain what the characters are doing at the start of the film.
But I think that the criticism often heard and what you are saying now is contradictory, that is:
>people commonly complain that the trade stuff is too boring and complicated and too obtrusive
>now you say that the trade stuff is bad because it's too simple and not detailed
So which one is it? Is it too much or is it too little?
The way I see it, it's simply a plot device, it's pretty short so I don't see how it would bother someone. And it's okay if it's not detailed, because the movie is not really about that.
>aren't actually developed, researched, or significant to the message of the story, so it's just offputting and confusing.
It's just meant to give you a general idea of what's going on during the first ten minutes of the film, it's not complicated. How is it confusing?
Something can be complicated because it is too simple and lacks detail.
I don't think anyone is arguing that it's too complicated. I never heard that. It's definitely vague though, so it leads to confusion and questions.
>confusion and questions
I've been in a lot of these threads, and lot (not all) complaints I come across aren't really problems, if you actually activate those almonds for longer than 5 seconds.
>It is not a military sci fi space opera.
Add 'for kids' and that's literally what Star Wars is
Good post. The prequel trilogy is one the most flawlessly-functioning low IQ litmus tests in popular culture.
>George wanted to try and elevate Star Wars to a more intellectual level
*enter Jar Jar Binks*
>Not because he had a great story to tell, but rather because he wanted Star Wars to be regarded as something more
he has always insisted the films were for kids. the original and prequels. he has never changed his stance on this
He can insist all he likes, but what he made suggests other wise.
Good question. The trade stuff isn't discussed in any depth or seriousness. It's not actually about politics, it's about laser swords and magic powers. It's a bing bang wazoo movie BUT it uses dry boring tax politics as a primary plot driver, that aren't actually developed, researched, or significant to the message of the story, so it's just offputting and confusing.
12 Angry Men goes very much into depth into the themes and topics its story is based upon and the movie is completely tonally consistent. If 12 Angry Men had long, drawn out, pointless car chase and shootout scenes you'd be annoyed and confused too.
What should the plot have been instead? Maybe clones being made of jedis?
"The Clone Wars" when mentioned back in ANH, sure as hell sounded like the "enemy" of the war involved clones, not just the stormtroopers were clones. Attack of the Clones as a title doesn't help either, goofball as it is, it too makes it seem as though the enemy will be cloning related. Yes the clone army is under the control of the real villain, but it's just not what I expected, it doesn't even really explain why it's called the Clone Wars when their being clones doesn't play any part in the stated reason for the war, it's just the origin of the Republic's soldiers.
I’m pretty sure Lucas wnTed to make episode 1 and the rest of the prequels first, but due to 1970s technology, he had to instead make the “original” trilogy. Also, frick the idea he had it “all planned it”. This dude literally wrote shit as he literally making it; that is pretty cool when you think about it. I mean sure, he could plan it all, but frick that! Return of the Jedi, like and leia are siblings? Wasn’t planned, added in last minute. 12 Star Wars films as stated in a 1983 article by vanity fair? Pfff, all lies, 9 movies still. Although to be fair, we will never truly know if Lucas intended Star Wars to be this (12 films, all planned out, prequel trilogy meant to be prequel), or due to limitations and other stuff(prequels meant to be first, Darth vader being luke sky walkers father added in last minute, script was being rewritten on the spot). I could care less, they were good movies.
"last minute" is a little exaggerated for Vader as Luke's father, it was not planned before the movie but much of the film was made with that being an intent, retcon as it is
How do you know this? Like, I’m being genuine here. Lucas says one thing. And then years later; he says another completely different thing.
We literally see Lucas finish a prequel draft in the making of for the prequels. I'm sure Lucas had ideas marinating over the years, but no way was it ever that thought out. "Clone Wars" was a fricking throwaway line that I doubt Lucas had any real thoughts about until he started writing the movie decades later.
You never know if Lucas faked the “making prequel draft” for the making of. It’s likely they changed the date in the camera for that whole scene.
I'm old enough to remember before the prequels when a common fan theory was Obi-Wan Kenobi may have been a clone due to his name sounding like a serial number "O.B.1. Ken O.B."
You sound fricking ancient or you're lying
>Yes the clone army is under the control of the real villain, but it's just not what I expected
So kino
No.
Y
Noticed you never responded to this with an explanation
I win
French and Indian War sounds like a war between Indians and the French.
The Airplane Wars
The Tank Wars
Modern Warfare
Halo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
>"The Clone Wars" when mentioned back in ANH, sure as hell sounded like the "enemy" of the war involved clones
Am I the only one who thought they were saying The Cologne Wars when you were a kid?
I hope so.
I remeber reading some EU shit that talked about the clone wars as like cloned evil versions of jedis and stuff.. When Lucas made it and it was just stormtroopers I was pretty disappointed..
Ultimately it’s this. Virgin fanboys had their own theories about various things in universe, George instead expanded HIS universe that HE created in a direction HE wanted to and the fanboys lost their minds.
>Man does thing
>This means it is beyond reproach for some reason
I have a really hard time accepting that the majority of people that complain about the politics would suddenly "get" or enjoy them if more time was committed to the politics.
If you can't write politics, don't write politics. Simple as.
it almost presents itself as a star trek thing yet it develops as something else kinda
Honestly this. People ranted about the political/senate scenes going on too long, but when you put the PT's political scenes all together, they're maybe five or six minutes, hell the taxes aren't even mentioned after TPM's opening (at least I don't think they were).
Lucas wanted to make a story about how good turns into evil, how an innocent child can become an evil man and how democracy can become a dictatorship, and low IQ morons like RLM, Patton Oswalt and Simon Pegg hated it, then creamed themselves when Disney and Abrams just rehashed it.
I meant to type 'just rehashed the OT'
Yeah man but PT still had no cantina hand in it, no poltergeist girl in it, no Johnny b Goode, and no power of love. Also lacked Mozart esque music, with the exception of duel of the fates/heroes
>Lucas wanted to make a story about how good turns into evil, how an innocent child can become an evil man and how democracy can become a dictatorship
Want and did are two different things, anon.
>Lucas wanted to make a story about how good turns into evil, how an innocent child can become an evil man and how democracy can become a dictatorship
Yes, and this is what he did. Add to that the storyline of fall of Roman republic but in space and Othello+Coriolanus but for kids. And all that shit worked, despite some clumsy dialogue.
In hindsight, it is insane how ambitious PT is, especially in comparison with Disney shit.
>And all that shit worked
>Americans
Is Simon Pegg American now?
I haven't got the slightest idea who Simon Pegg is.
zoom zoom
he's a hypocritical c**t
who
lucas claims he had a fully ready to go trilogy ON THE MICROSCOPIC LEVEL OF "MIDICLORIANS" well then why are the prequels so mainstream action. not one hint of abstract or pushing the envelope
le epik troll eurotrash... the film is supposed to be for little kids to enjoy but when you use the words "trade embargo" their eyes are gonna' glaze over because they don't know what it means. kids movies shouldn't use terms and concepts kids can't understand
>hell the taxes aren't even mentioned after TPM's opening (at least I don't think they were).
the entire fricking film hinges on the fact that naboo is having it's trade blocked due to those very politics. it's surrounded by gunray's ships stopping anything coming in or going out. so the entire reason for the war can't be understood by children
lol exactly he ended up making YIPEE IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME YOU'RE MY ENEMY DON'T UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER anime dialogue
>kids movies shouldn't use terms and concepts kids can't understand
Wrong. If a kid can't understand a concept, that's not the fault of the film. Who cares if a child can't understand trade negotiations? The kid won't even care that they don't know to begin with.
>so the entire reason for the war can't be understood by children
It's pretty transparently carried across in the first ten minutes of the movie even without understanding the text crawl
>big bad ship on good planet
>blows up the good guys' ship and tries to stop the good guys so you know they're bad
>bad guys send down the bad robots
>good guys fight the bad robots with their silly animal friend and save the princess
Any kid can understand that shit and have fun with it without having to know what a trade embargo is.
they wanted jj abrams style brainless nonsense.
the movie has pacing issues but the complaints about politics and backstory are unfortunately very insightful to american cultural problems. i was 8 years old and never had a problem but all these 40 year olds were melting down.
my parents would talk about american politics. i didn't necessarily understand but you'd accept that there was more going on in the adult world and eventually you would grow up and learn. the same thing happens in the movie. it's a child's perception of a world with adult power structures in the background. you don't fully understand how the trade federation is organized but you don't need to as a viewer.
>the film is supposed to be for little kids to enjoy but when you use the words "trade embargo" their eyes are gonna' glaze over because they don't know what it means. kids movies shouldn't use terms and concepts kids can't understand
next you're going to tell me i didn't understand watership down. you treat children like morons and that's what you'll get.
There's nothing wrong with it in and of itself, the problem is that Lucas is a moron and doesn't understand the issues he's writing about.
Palpatine is an obvious expy of Caesar or Napoleon, in Lucas' eyes a strongman manipulating the system purely out of greed. And Lucas rightly recognizes that their rise to power is applauded by the "ignorant masses". But what he fails to realize is that the political orders these figures were supplanting were outrageously corrupt, incompetent, and downright evil. It's not just a case where the Republic is ineffective or slow, it's that they were incredibly malevolent and actively destroying the lives of their citizens'. And these strongman figures weren't simply evil and greedy, they were reformists who seriously wanted to make things better, and were pushed too far. And there were no Jedi around to serve as some arbiters of ultimate right and wrong.
In essence Lucas was writing above his level, boiling down complicated situations into a two-dimensional battle between good and evil. This kind of idea, considered suitable for children, is what's bred generations of mouthbreathing morons that are completely assured of their own righteousness, and blindly view the other side as the devil incarnate.
I can give you Napoleon but Caesar didn't give the slightest shit about Rome, he wanted power and threw his "beloved" nation in a civil war that lasted 2 generation and that devolved into an Empire that was far more corrupt and decadent than the republic.
Fricking hell, at least say something like Augustus, he actually cared about Rome and he tried to unfrick the mess others made.
Caesar did care. He was an opportunist, but the senate did betray his rights, and he did intend to act as a reformer. By his time Rome was already deep into decadence and had seen civil war and political purges, which he didn't want to repeat.
>anon cannot wrap his head around a simple good vs evil story
This was disheartening to read.
Good vs evil is almost never true in reality in the way it is in movies.
You can't tell the difference in subject matter vs execution of the finished project? What kind of special moronation does that take?
>daaaahhh Plan Nine From Outer Space is about alee-uns and so is Alien so whats da difference
>daaaaaahhhhh
They want
>local space dirt farmer blows up big scary space station boom boom ohhh cool
Not
>the collapse of an ancient intergalactic democracy due to complex economic, political, and religious reasons
I would like the second one if it was well done, but there's very little character or even setting development and it's often hard to tell what's going on.
>local space dirt farmer blows up big scary space station boom boom ohhh cool
The story of a hero confronting a great enemy has been told again and again across all different cultures for thousands of years you stupid frick. Don't act like you don't understand why or that you're above it somehow.
TPM literally ends with a brat from Tatooine blowing up a big scary space station.
>complex economic, political, and religious reasons
An evil guy caused it. Because he is evil. You're going to move the goalposts and try to say this is an oversimplification, but that's exactly what you did.
>the collapse of an ancient intergalactic democracy due to complex economic, political, and religious reasons
But I want the later and the only other thing that does it is Legends of the Galactic Heros
Because there wasn’t any multi-million dollar marketing campaign tied to either 12 Angry Men or Otto E Mezzo
Because both movies were made for adults in mind (and in the latter case, actual cinephiles) and none of Lumet’s or Fellini’s movies are rated PG, so it doesn’t have to awkwardly pander to kids with a clueless child actor, a bunch of poorly thought-out CGI laser sword fights straight out of a PS2 game or a cartoon frog-rabbit-thing with a Jamaican accent that steps in the poopie
Because both movies happen in our world, and not some random intergalactic space planet, so the in-universe laws make directly more sense and don’t need to be explained, which should have been the opposite with the prequels
Because Lucas is a hack, pure and simple. Brilliant producer, godawful writer/director. THX 1138, American Graffiti and the OT are the results of his collaboration with others (Walter Murch, Katz/Huyck, Lawrence Kasdan, Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, his fricking wife who edited A New Hope, etc.), and the fact he takes all the credit for each Special Edition is embarrassing and sad
George Lucas should never have been allowed near a typewriter
Pretty much, yeah
Robert could have taken a dump in their popcorn and that opening horn blast would make them forget it ever happened
>Viceroy Nute Gunray refuses to raise the debt ceiling.
Prequels didn't kill the fandom but the sequels were. Pretty amazing.
>OT about a rebellion fighting an empire
>PT mentions politics, dorks have meltdown
It shows that fans don't even understand what they like. Blockheads
I play EVE and think this is fine. Americans couldn't grasp that mercantilism leads to wars.
I blame Redditlettermedia for the PT
no
All Disney threads are bot threads
it was fine until jar jar showed up
>35 minutes of arguing about a trade embargo nobody gives a shit about
yeah... it was "fine"
If you didn't like Jar Jar right away then you're some joyless 80's nerd or something. TPM is an awesome movie.
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Man, I really like this guy 🙂
>FARRRRTTTT
>SNIFFFF
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FRICK yes 10/10 GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>bends the knee to the movie theater screen and making sure my Jedi Robe doesn't go under the knee on the ground
I honestly don't understand why the prequels got so much hate. I always thought they were a little more mature in themes and preferred them over the original trilogy. I thought it was a well deserved set of movies to tell the story of the main antagonists that were pretty much brushed off and not explained in the originals.
Because they're poorly written, poorly acted, take a shallow interpretation to most of the OT in spite of pretensions toward complexity, and the digital shooting for 2 and 3 looks terrible.
Same, the OT was always less interesting to me, even as a kid
yes
I actually care about the politics and worldbuilidng of Star Wars. It's why I like the prequels more.
I wouldn't say I like the prequels more but I agree about the worldbuilding. Everyone seems to forget (outside of the EU) there was very little worldbuilding in the OT. You get bits and pieces of it here and there but for the most part you're left guessing about a lot of things. I like that the prequels filled in a lot of blanks imo.
And I say what frickin worldbuilding? I hear about this all the time but all you really got was a lot of gimmick planets on screen for a minute.
>And I say what frickin worldbuilding? I hear about this all the time but all you really got was a lot of gimmick planets on screen for a minute.
The Coruscant scenes alone have 100x more worldbuilding than the entirety of the OT. You actually get to see how their government functions as opposed to literally just one line about an Imperial Senate in ANH. You don't even see any core worlds in the OT at all unless you count Alderaan getting blown up. Like I said earlier you're given bits and pieces of what's going on in the background during the OT but most of it you have to put together and/or guess at. Granted, the EU filled in a lot of these blanks but 90% of SW fans never read the EU.
You see an Imperial Senate. Or rather Republic. I don't really see how that informs us any more than mentioning one did. It turns out the Senate functions as a Senate.
Not every Senate functions the same boyo. I see you also ignored the rest of my post about the Core Worlds too.
>You actually get to see how their government functions
Yeah, and then you question every single thing about how it functions as nothing is actually explained because Lucas was too focused on long and pointless action scenes instead of explaining his setting.
You see exactly twelve seconds of Alderaan in the PT
>You see exactly twelve seconds of Alderaan in the PT
And? Coruscant is THE core world and the seat of power for the SW government so it gets the most screen time. Alderaan is A core world yes, but it's not nearly as important.
Yeah we sure see a lot of the Jedi Temple and the Senate building. Can't say we see much else other than some skylines. And one nightclub.
>Yeah we sure see a lot of the Jedi Temple and the Senate building. Can't say we see much else other than some skylines. And one nightclub.
Yeah? And those are the governing bodies. The most important people in the galaxy who make all the decisions. What more do you want? A scene of Joe Sixpack cooking Nerf burgers in his apartment?
It would be nice to see how the people who aren't Senators or Jedi live, yes.
Dex's Diner
This the prequels are just a lot more creative and visually interesting than OT, objectively OT are better films but prequels really made the SW universe cooler as a setting for other media its not surprising SW video games, tv and comics flourished during the prequel era.
I was 10 years old when TPM dropped. It was our 5th grade class field trip at the end of the year. I remember I felt really fricking stupid during the Senate scenes because I had 0 idea of what was going on. I blamed myself though rather than the movie itself. It honestly surprised me when I found out years later just how much the movie was hated.
I don't really care for the prequels but I never understood this criticism.
>Dude A New Hope starts off with an epic spaceship battle, capture, and escape! Phantom Menace starts off with...trade negotiations? Wtf?!? I can't get into this bro
The entire mood is different for each movie. In ANH the republic has fallen and is on the run. In TPM the republic is established and dominant, albeit a little bloated by bureaucracy, hence the Jedi being sent to work on trade negotiations. It makes perfect sense to start the movie here in relative peace, and is one of the things Lucas got right. Plus, it goes right into an ambush action sequence anyways
And the ambush is where everyone start reacting moronic.
Why kill the Jedi? Just let them go and deliver the message that there will be no negotiations. Or if you must kill them, blow them up on their ship.
Cuz Georgie understood that there needed to be action in the first two minutes. Should have just opened with the Jedi hacking through droids and then Sidious asking Gunray if they were dead yet.
this was cool as hell
But seriously, anakin's shitty little junkyard pod shouldn't have been able to best Sebulba's. It's like Anakin built a honda civic out of scrap and kept up with a tricked out ferrari
The force guided his hands.
Anakin built it himself and knew what to do whenever it had a problem. He's what Cinemaphilegays wish they could be.
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It's the only good part of the entire second act.
>TOOGTOOGTOOGTOOGTOOGTOOG
Even when it came out the people who didn't like the movie thought the podrace was the coolest shit they'd ever seen. Those special effects were insane.
it sold video games
the original cut maybe
extend shit was annoying
it's just kids autism overall
So Sheev tells the trade federation to go blockade naboo. He would obviously know jedi would be sent out but then acts like it's unusual. Then he tells them to kill the jedi, but doesn't say "hey, they'll have lightsabers and use force powers. You should use such and such tactics to ensure they die since regular droids with blasters won't work"
Would Sheev even care if the Jedi succeed or fail in that little mission?
Pretty sure he wouldn't want them to succeed. He wanted the queen to be capture and it to trigger a crisis in the senate so he could usurp the chancellor
Just getting Jedis involved is an escalation to the conflict which is exactly what he wants. Win or lose in this particular instance is going to lead to his next step of more open conflict. Only way he truly loses is if his blockade is ignored.
If they fail she's captured, and the republic is forced into acting. If they succeed, Sheev manipulates her into convincing the senate to act.
It's stuff like this that makes me think Sheev should've been the main character of the movie. Because otherwise we're just following characters who are being manipulated by him. Our main characters have no agency.
I had assumed that sending Jedi to resolve a trade/mercantile dispute wasn't common.
I could re-watch The Phantom Menace a thousand times, I could never rewatch any of sequels.
I can't even rewatch TPM at all, its so insipid and moronic.
did someone say tax policy
and there are Black folk still trying to paint it as a good movie
TFA and even TLJ are way better than this shit
So what was Sheev's plan had Darth Maul succeeded and killed the jedi? He said they were going to reveal themselves to the jedi. Seemed like Maul's death set back Sheev for years
>get rid of maul
>make room for new apprentice
>get the Jedi in a tizzy
Did he not like Maul? Was he just training him as a joke?
He was always temporary.
It's a tough one. If you're trying to keep the reveal of Palps until the 3rd movie, can't really focus on his alter-ego. But he also kind of sticks out to people that have seen the OT.
What if maul didn't want to be replaced and attacked sheev openly
If that had happened I don't think there would've been much of him left for Filoni to bring back.
>He was always temporary.
No, he wasn't.
EU homosexualry.
Maul was literally a fully-fledged Sith Lord that Palpatine trained since childhood. Losing Maul was a setback and Palpatine had to resort to already trained Jedi like Dooku and corrupt them.
Maul was a really good Sith Assassin that Sheev was grooming to help him take out Plagueis. Plagueis fricked up by dropping his guard one night and Sheev seized the opportunity and never needed Maul. Maul was just a scab until Sheev could identify and locate the Chosen One that Plagueis had conjured forth from the Force.
He would have just had Maul keep killing Jedi until he finally fell. He never thought of Maul as anything more than an expendable attack dog. The idea was to goad the Jedi into falling in totally behind the Republic since the Separatists were supported by the Sith. Then during the war the Jedi could be shown to be ineffectual and treasonous and eventually provoked into a launching coup against him, the duly elected head of the Republic so that he could officially move against them and complete the centralization and militarization of the Republic. It worked. The prequels really were about him and Anakin.
> storms coming anni
TPM is a boring movie.
It aged like fine wine. Same with AotC and RotS. It did its job well by contextualizing and expanding the Star Wars universe.
Just like my sci-fi TV serials!
And shitting down its throat.
Nah TPM is trash and deserves all the hate it gets but AOTC and ROTS are both good tbh.
They are all pretty bad. Saved by Williams score and some visuals.
It's the perfect kids movie. Things don't stop happening. It's only the tryhard homosexuals trying to dissect all the politics that hate it.
Things in fact, stop happening for a full hour of the film.
What are you talking about? After the opening fight they're swimming underwater to the goongas within no time then being chased by big fish in a cool submarine then slicing up droids in Theed and th n R2 saves the day It never slows down. Unless like 20 minutes of introducing Anakin and his mom before the podrace was too slow for you.
>you just don't GET IT! it's GENIUS! it's DEEP! it's EXPANDING THE SETTING! why can't you handle depth and complexity in STAR WARS?
>15 minutes in: EXSQUEEZE ME
Reminder that literally only the original opening crawl of the 1977 release without the "Episode IV A New Hope" added before Empire Strikes Back released syncs correctly with John Williams' theme music. It is meant to move in time with the three paragraphs, but the Episode part added throws it off by a couple of seconds.
Williams' three-phase opening music in step with the plot of the dialogue was brilliant.
Every homosexual keeps saying
>world building
When it's
>galaxy building
Star Wars takes place amongst the stars.
>oh no where's my clear cut good guys vs bad guys movie what's happening i don't understaaand
TPM has extremely clear good guys and bad guys.
And yet RLM basically built their careers upon being confused by a movie for kids
>kino artwork
>literally used on a bunch of Pizza Hut promotional boxes
ugh. how do you sleep at night, knowing that you sold your integrity and soul to satan
But you have pretty clear cut good and ad guys in this movie.
I'll give you a tip, the bad guy is the red and black guy with horns.
umm ACKSHULLY the REAL bad guy is the shadowy figure in the black cloak! and also the bad guy is COMPLACANCY
>Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute.
will this be on the final?
>Taxation of trade routes
Is this snoozfest really aimed at kids and families, George?
It's gonna be great
It's gonna be great.
anyone saying the prequel trilogy is actually amazing and better than the OT should be forced to post their age w/ ID for verification along side their opinion. it's literally only zoomers that grew up with the films that think this and it's due to nostalgia
the Disney trilogy being a stinky shit doesn't turn the fart of the prequel series into a masterpiece
>the prequel trilogy is good
>the OT is better
This isn't that hard.
OT is 10/10. Prequels are like a 7/10. Its not some catastrophic slop that RLM has brainwashed the masses into thinking it is
>Prequels are like a 7/10.
So above average? they are late marvelslop-tier. literally kys yourself.
prequelgays be like
>hmmm... me like movie because me saw movie when 8 years old... but why me like it? don't know. me must create reason, no matter how dumb it is. maybe me say "that thing you don't like about it? well it what me DO like about it!"
I would class the prequels as great concepts but terrible execution. Lucas wanted to tell an epic tragedy about the fall of a republic and moral decline of an innocent hero into a terrible villain, but it was ruined by rushed writing, hammy acting, and bad pacing choices. This makes the Prequels infinitely better than Disney Star Wars though, as there the concepts are boring retreads of the OT and the execution is deliberately poor.
God we had it so good when Lucasarts and Dark Horse just did whatever the frick they wanted and it didn't matter because it was all just fun Star Wars stories that you could take it or leave it. When Disney said the EU was bullshit like 10 years ago I knew they were going to ruin the spirit of Star Wars and the EU.
it did go off the rails when some stories had things like literal magic and goblins
And I just dropped those stories like the one where Chewie died. EU was just head cannon heaven, just cherry pick whatever you like because in the end George's 6 movies were the only things that was canon. The EU encouraged imagination.
I never got over it.
Never cared about star wars again after that night.
The most important reason why people like the prequels are not the movies themselves but all the side media that came with it: cartoons, video games and so on - and much of it was indeed very good (probably because George had nothing to do with them).
I think this is what Disney tried to do as well - glut the market with side media to cover up for the failure of the main movies, but since the same people were involved, all that effort went nowhere.
Maybe if you're an X'er or a boomer. I loved all the Star Wars movies, games, comics, card games, all of it and I was born in 94. AotC was always the worst one but I still enjoyed watching it every time.
You lost, George won.
George won, but will the fans ever win or will we suffer forever?
Kevin Smith and the Star Wars scene in the first Clerks was the beginning of everything wrong with movies, nerd culture etc. It was the first time a Gen Xer talked ironically about Star Wars, it's almost like the second that fricking movie dropped hype started building up for Star Wars immediately, the special editions closely followed by The Prequels. It was gradual but I remember
Thanks RLM.
The complaints over taxation being too complicated would hold more water if the entire american founding myth little kids learn about at the age of ten wasn't about a rebellion due to foreign taxation. I was ten when i saw E1 and not even american and I got it, it wasn't very cool but I got it.
>over taxation being too complicated
No one says this.
TPM was a prostitute's movie.
>taxation of trade routes
meanwhile they are literally taxing our breath with carbon tax malarkey in current year.
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who, Disney or George?
Manchild Lucas should have shat himself to death in shame for selling out his own continuity for bullshit shinies and toymongering.
He wanted to retire this is what you ot boomers wanted anyway, force awakens is a retro movie for the fans you got exactly what you wanted. George is happy to retire and wipe his hands clean of b***hy kvetching manchildren. Oh yeah no refunds homosexual
No refunds, RLM.
>Boomers thought the government orchestrating a crisis to give itself more power was too crazy and far out to possibly follow.
>The taxation of trade routes
That's all it took to know this would be bad
I actually liked the prequels
You weren't even 16 by the time Episode 3 came out. Phantom Menace was well received and the minor hatred of the prequels started with adult Anakin in Episode 2. Revenge of the Sith made up for that in droves and was incredibly popular and well received.
I can't enjoy the sequels under any circumstances but if im sufficiently druk I have a blast watching the prequels.
STAR WARS DIED WITH THE "SPECIAL EDITIONS"!!!FACT!!!
Wow
The prequels are better movies, in almost every aspect, compared to the sequels.
Example: the writing, the choreography and fight scenes, characters, etc. etc.
No.
The writing?
Its been like 15 years since ive seen phantom menance. What exactly was in dispute? The outer rim planets were taxed more than the core?
Nah, it’s even worse. It starts with the Senate sending Qui-Gon (remember him?) and young Obi-Wan to regulate a trade blockade (????) with some planet we have never heard about, just because they’re “guardians of peace and justice”.
None of the characters are properly introduced or grounded, the cinematography is flat and uninspired (on the other hand, it makes sense since considering the amount of CGI required) and the overall setting is just foggy and bleh.
Ya, but what was Nute Gunray even pissed about in the forst place? The jedi were sent in as negotiators right? Ya kinda shitty for the republic to send in dudes with laser swords to talk demands.
The Trade Federation never wanted to negotiate, they wanted to take over Naboo. The Jedi showing up and trying to negotiate threw a wrench in their plans because there was no way they could justify the blockade, which is why they tried to kill them instead and then moved forward with the invasion.
Palps slithered into his ear and said "invade Naboo bro, it'll start a war that I'll set you up to win"
It's funny that even if they did win it'd still have achieved Palpatine's goals, he just needed to oust Vallorum by showing that he'd fold for the Trade Federation by letting them invade Naboo unhindered.
The alliance with the Gungans and Anakin's spinning were completely unplanned.
Tongue my anus you pathetic disney shill nigtard
I like how no one in America cared about politics in 1999 when TPM came out, but by the time of RotS, people were discussing how Palpatine is literally Bush.
>what is Bush Jr vs Gore
>who is Monica Lewinsky
>what is 9/11
>what is the Patriot Act
>what are 24/7 news channels
>what is the Iraq War
Regarding the whole trade blockade thing in TPM, it probably was a reference to the then-ongoing economic liberalisation around the would with the launch of the WTO and Windows 95, but it’s so clunky and bad I’m sure nobody caught that at the time and just took it literally as a “trade blockade”
The "people" who have decided that the prequels are not "good" or at least "decent" as a way to cope with the Disney "films" are fricking pathetic, honestly. Just accept that Star Wars is, on the whole, a terrible series. It has at most three good movies, the original trilogy, and everything else is complete shit. It's okay to feel that way. Let it go. Move on with your life. You don't need to like anything after Return of the Jedi. Let your soul be at rest. You'll be happier for it.
>The "people" who have decided that the prequels ARE "good" or at least "decent"
typo
>never liked TPM that much
>rewatch it
>it's actually good
Huh
I'm sorry you lack the integrity to admit that something as bad due to Disney mindfricking you
I haven't seen the disney ones. Try harder.
Even worse. You don't even have a reason to cope so you just have terrible taste for no reason.
I'm not sorry that I like something you don't.
You should be
I never saw a star wars movie but this sounds like an interesting geopolitical thriller unlike that lame laser stick battles the franchise is known for
> being this needlessly contrarian
You got me to reply
I was sooo hyped for my generation's Star Wars. And then it opens with a fricking trade dispute. And to John William's sweeping score no less.
>The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute
How does the movie start like this and eventually lead to 20 minutes of go-karting?
Because the trade dispute doesn't matter in the end, it's just a pretense to facilitate the Trade Federation's invasion of Naboo. That should have been clear to you by the time the movie's five minutes in and the two jedi are cutting up droids while platoons of them are being shipped down to the planet as an invasion force. I'm pretty sure one of the jedi even outright says "it's an invasion" during that scene.
Even during the Coruscant scenes they're not talking to the senate about trade routes and taxation, they're talking about how the TF dropped an army into their capital and blockaded their planet.
>and eventually lead to 20 minutes of go-karting?
my favourite statement about the pod racing scene is from aaron archer, apparently even the team at hasbro responsible for making toys of that scene fell asleep in the middle of it
>Jannies testing their new delet powers
>when you break them bucks in
Sarah Gadon could have saved it
Hmmmmmmmmmm
who?
Curvy