1984:
pros:
>weird experimental artistic tone
cons:
>already weird source material made weirder, worldbuilding/lore changed or thrown out
>director thought sci-fi was stupid, almost refused to adapt the source material, fell in love with his own vision instead of the book
>ridiculous cast with performances that felt like they were on drugs (in a bad way)
>director denounced the movie after making it
>author of the original books denounced it and didn't want anything to do with it either
>completely missed the point of the books, replaced the moral message with a shallow hero's journey ending
>fans are only people who doesn't even realize it was an adaptation of a novel
>campy special effects passed off as "sovl" only if you squint really hard
2024:
pros:
>still just as much of an experimental art film as lynch's version
>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
>director obsessed with the source material since he was little, always knew he wanted to adapt it, wrote his own mock storyboard for it before he became a director
>ultra-faithful to the tone and message of the original book
>no retconned worldbuilding, everything exactly the same as the novel, even minor background details are the same
>cast is of A-list actors who were also fans of the original book
cons:
>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
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nu dune came out in 2021 moron
Yeah but the second half is coming out in a few weeks.
i thought it was suppose to come out in dec 2023? they even started paying the pajeets to promote it here
calm down, some venues are bring part 1 back because when it came out it was hit by the pandemic. Remember Villeneuve's rant about how streaming sucks or something like that
>because when it came out it was hit by the pandemic
Or rather, because they're really desperate to bolster the box office numbers so they can pretend it didn't struggle to break even and did worse than most other films that were "hit by the pandemic".
that's because this isn't a genuine post, it's a paid advertisement for DUNC 2, in which the
>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film
becomes
>ugly mystery-meat zoomette love interest becomes the main character, utterly disrespects the source material, and spoils what would have otherwise been a comfy C+ adaptation of the only Dune novel that belongs on the silver screen
Race swapping (and gender swapping) Liet was stupid, but I guess they just decided to drop the whole Liet is Chani's father bit. Going full "subvert expectations" with Chani's role in the movie is pure trash, Hollywood garbage. I sat in a 10C theater freezing my ass off for two plus hours to get through the first movie, I will not be watching the second. Won't even pirate it. Hope it flops and more blackrock beancounters throw themselves from the top stories of their mostly empty (and nigh worthless) commercial office buildings.
>they just decided to drop the whole Liet is Chani's father bit
But that's exactly the problem. Liet Kynes being Chani's father is important, because Kynes' and Paul's stories are, up to a point, similar to one another.
If they so desperately wanted to genderswap him, okay, make him Chani's mother at least. The Paul parallel gets weakened, but it's still there.
If they so desperately wanted to raceswap him, also okay, but don't make him the same exact race as the entire people group that he's supposed to be standing out from because he came to them as an outsider.
Doing both at once, completely omitting his backstory and connection to Chani, means they're basically taking out the character as a whole, and what he means. And then they gave his name to a completely new character that has no point or purpose being in the story.
>I sat in a 10C theater freezing my ass off for two plus hours to get through the first movie, I will not be watching the second.
Why? That's not the experience Dennis Vileneuf intended!
As you shills always miss this point.
It is said that sound is 80 percent of a movie.
The sound in Dune 1984 is a level way beyond 2020s version.
84 has better performances by actual actors, easier on the eye with the better looking cast (none of that mutt). Visually more interesting with more thought put into the designs. More engaging. More entertaining..that camp contributed greatly to this.
Denis has the vision of a toddler in a dimly lit room with just a cardboard box and one shade of crayon.
As for his version being more accurate...its a dumbed down version for capshit homosexuals like yourself.
Oh and Lynch disowned Dune because it was not his cut. It was not the film he set out to make. Go watch the extended version online and even that was only a small portion of what Lynch made.
Now go peddle your vanilla shit elsewhere.
>As for his version being more accurate...its a dumbed down version for capshit homosexuals like yourself.
It's literally the opposite, there is zero explicit exposition and everything is communicated in small exchanges/conversations, there's very little dialogue. Unless you're really tuned in and thinking hard you will miss what the movie is about.
>It is said that sound is 80 percent of a movie.
Who said that?
Jesus
Winston Churchill.
Who wouldn't say a single word to them. Who would listen to what they had to say. And that's what no one did.
Kevin
Me, I said it a couple years ago
Wayne Gretsky
Nothing about the old one is visually interesting.
Now this is low effort bait.
Then again ... capeshit has completely desensitized zoomers like yourself for what actual good visual storytelling looks like.
>visual storytelling
Case in point: You do not know what "visual storytelling" even means.
one of the legitimate criticisms of lynch's dune is that it was way heavy on the exposition
Yes, but that's completely besides the point. Exposition doesn't preclude a film from having excellent visual storytelling.
And the book itself also gets criticized for having too explicit exposition. Meanwhile, DUNC has barely any at all, and you can see that this causes problems.
>DUNC has barely any at all
The frick movie did you watch. DUNC is full of constant exposition, literally every scene is exposition. It's just implicit instead of spelled out for morons.
>DUNC is full of constant exposition
DUNC didn't even manage to give major characters like Yueh, the Baron or Liet Kynes (what little was left of that character) their backstories, motivations, nor their full personalities.
It didn't elaborate on or even completely omitted important parts of the lore (Butlerian Jihad, the Empire, Spice itself).
It had empty phrases like "Desert Power", and went throuh plot events without caring for their story function.
I agree with this anon, I like the film but a lot of it felt like a highschool play production wise. There are characters I like better in one or the other, but I do think Paul and the baron are way better in lunch's version
fricking looneys
>It is said that sound is 80 percent of a movie.
what are silent movies you moron? movies are visual medium not a competition of using the same BOOOOINNNNNNNGGGGG Nolan style computer sound effects.
That said, I recently watched both movies, even though the new one is like half of the book it still feels a little rushed somehow.
>it still feels a little rushed somehow
it has to introduce a ton of characters and a lot of plot beats, and so you're constantly being ushered from one thing to the next without depth or much characterization, and even then it excises and simplifies a lot from the book
if I'm being charitable, a fair bit of that is unavoidable in order to squeeze it into movie format, but really that's why it should have been a television series and not a movie
maybe in 30 years we'll see a faithful, definitive adaptation
Old dune >>>>>>> New ~~*Dune*~~
Old dune was marketed at people who've read the book, new dune is for illiterate morons that need to be spoon fed everything.
Zynydia is hideous and the only thing new dune has going for it is better thopters and the two seconds it showed the sand compactor.
The rest is soulless goyslop.
>new dune is for illiterate morons that need to be spoon fed everything
Arguably true, but it spectacularly fails at spoonfeeding anything. It outright omits everything that's interesting about Dune and just leaves a bare skeleton of the plot structure behind.
Lynch read the book and loved it.
Then why did he miss the point and also ignore 99% of the plot elements?
Answer: Lynch was a homosexual, he read the book and invented his own idea inspired by it that he thought was cool, it was basically just loose inspiration.
Lynch considers Dune his greatest failure because he didn't have final cut on it. He "sold out", let other people write the script, edit the film, etc. I'd say that Lynch's Dune nails the look better than Villeneuve's did.
>Then why did he miss the point
How did Lynch miss the point when Frank Herbert loved his film and publicly applauded his interpretation even after Lynch had already distanced himself from the final product?
And how is Villeneuve's trash supposed to be more accurate when Brian Herbert, who's already proven that he doesn't get his father's work, think's it's good?
Brian herbert is such a piece of shit. He clearly let that other guy ghost write the entire series and the guy he picked was clearly a capable but untalented YA novel hired gun. They used source notes and just wrapped 8th grade reading level prose around a fleshed out and complex story. I also think that Chabad got ahold of them and had them force the ending
>Frank Herbert loved his film and publicly applauded his interpretation
Why would you make up lies?
Frank Herbert was disappointed with lynch's dune after he watched it. He said he didn't like what happened to some of the characters, the themes are unrecognizable and the ending doesn't deliver the intended message.
>Why would you make up lies?
Says it and makes up the most blatant lie yet.
This is Villeneuve fanboys in a nutshell. Dishonest pieces of shit, just like their favourite "director".
1984 was only shit, and only denounced by lynch because they cut out 20% of the scenes necessary to make it make any fricking sense narratively or emotionally
1984
Cope and seethe.
what a joke
Lawrence obliterates it
There's literally shots in dune that look exactly like this
Post one, brainlet.
Or even just one that has somewhat decent colour grading.
Except no color, which is precisely the point you blind homosexual.
Sand has colors, rocks have colors, sky has colors, even concrete has colors - not in Denis Universe though, because it's harder to match CGI or consistent light
work if you use color on digital mindlessly.
Honestly modern filmmakers should start making black and white movies, it would be a good start to learn visual filmmaking for them because it would force them to think about what's going on on screen.
Yeah, top left in particular. All that desaturated orange-brown! All that dust! All that lack of proper lighting! How amazing!
>picking the frame that looks like fricking concept art in real life to make fun of
I've seen better bait
>looks like fricking concept art in real life
Concept art? That completely obscures the things it should illustrate begind an inpenetrable wall of sand and dust?
What drugs are you on, Villeneuvetard?
Are you blind? Get your eyes checked.
>Are you blind?
No. But unlike you I know what good cinematography is. That isn't it.
Sorry anon, I hate to be the one to diagnose this but you're tasteless. You don't have an eye for composition. "Cinematography" to you means frick all.
This is hillarious, coming from a literal Villeneuve bootlicker.
capeshit with a fog machine
not only brown but ALSO grey! mind boggling!
>pug
Cute!!!
Fellas...is it gay to feel this way only for Jurgen Prochnow and not any other man on earth?
>2024
>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
Ok
>DUNC
>only 1 con
lol
ayo what early ps3 is dis?
Dune 2000 for the pc
The way you know DUNC-dislikers are toddlers is that they always the show fight scenes, as if that's the most important thing to them in a political drama
The way you know DUNC lovers are shills is that they dismiss a pivotal plot point that explains how the universe works because they don't give a shit about Dune, they just want more muttified Star Wars sci fi slop
>the slow blade penetrates the shiel-ACK
>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
>minor character
Doctor Kynes was the reason paul got into the fremen, a white-man leader of a tribe (look me in the eye and tell me a black woman would lead a patriarchal tribalistic society you Black person)
>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
Bait too obvious.
Zoomers actually think this lmao
>cast is of A-list actors who were also fans of the original book
Not sure how you justify this claim when half the cast are meme industry picks and/or ugly weirdos. Recast chani, irulan, Idaho, and kynes. And redirect Leto, the Baron, and Gurney. Their performances were weak.
pic unrelated. she is sexo
>director thought sci-fi was stupid, almost refused to adapt the source material, fell in love with his own vision instead of the book
based frick frank herbert and dune
there's no comparison.
The original is a tone of vibe and atmosphere the entire time.
The sequel sucks with only 1 good action scene to complement it. Highlights of why it's ass
1. Whiny twink as lead because some fat israelites frick him in the ass.
2. fugly negress as a woman you're supposed to find attractive.
3. Tortorous super slow-mo of fugly sheboon walking takes up 20 minutes of the movies runtime.
4. Apocalypse Now homage makes you wish you were watching that good movie instead of this shit.
5. Boring, slow pace.
6. Many understated scenes.
7. Bad dialogue.
>gay, sheboon, boring, negress, fugly, bad, israelites FRICKING twinks in the ASS
just stop posting already you fricking chimp
There's nothing factually wrong with what he wrote.
Try attacking his points rather than his language. If you cannot do that, go back to /r/eddit, where you can downvote and ignore anything that makes your feelings hurt.
oh noes! did the meanie words hurted your feefees?
Both are shit
>>1 race swap
kys israelite
soon ai will bring forth this masterpiece, in a sense its even better, just imagine the spice trip scenes
>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
uh huh. the whole thing is fricking sepia/brown/tan and is about as visually interesting as a pair of XXXL walmart khakis
>director obsessed with the source material since he was little, always knew he wanted to adapt it, wrote his own mock storyboard for it before he became a director
could've fooled me - Timmy C is a pretty bad Paul imo, and Kyle MacLachlan was really great casting for the 1984 version. The original was indeed a sloppy mess, but at least it was a sloppy mess with heart and color. Lynch 'denounced' it because he wasn't given final cut, and it shows.
now THIS is podracing
>Adult man plays 15 year old boy
Both the casts are bad.
Why is there a flaming giraffe...
You know what? It doesn't matter.
Troll post.
Jodorowsky is a self-indulgent egotist with delusions of creativity who gets high huffing his own farts, then calls it art. He literally was just going to meme-cast the most expensive or oddball people in the roles, while filming a completely deranged fan fiction of Dune, and try to call it the best thing since humanity evolved.
Frick that demented clown.
B-B-B-BUT MUH LE CRAZY OLD MAN
Everything you have described suggests a film for the ages.
>suggests a film for the ages.
Yeah, the problem is that Jodorowsky's "film for the ages" would have required a budget for the ages, for his extravagant (meme) casting choices alone. Expect half a billion upwards, in 1980s money.
The casting and special effects wouldn't have cost much more than any other sci fi film of the time like 2001 or Star Wars. What would've inevitably ballooned the price tag was keeping the crew paid and fed and equipped and all that shit while shooting a 14 hour movie in the Algerian Sahara.
>The casting and special effects wouldn't have cost much more than any other sci fi film of the time like 2001 or Star Wars.
Jodorowsky wanted to cast fricking Salvador Dali as the Emperor, who demanded 100K dollars (1980-dollars) per hour of shooting. He alone would have cost more than all the cast for Star Wars and 2001 combined. And Jodorowsky was completely sold on giving him that money.
Jodorowsky also isn't known for being good at bookkeeping, so who knows what else he'd have spent non-existing money on.
One of the reasons Lynch got the job in the end was that he'd already proven that he could produce results on a relatively small budget (most of which was already diminished at that point due to the pre-production being so troubled).
Would have sucked just like lynch's version
What sort of drugs was Jodorowski on? (in a good way)
I dunno man, I have El Topo on Blu ray and The Incal in hardback and I’m not sure what Big Jod is smoking.
Jodi stumbled into the racket of s lifetime by convincing dumb people this movie would have been good and he was capable of making it.
Yes, my nonexistent Dune adaptation that I have not actually made is also much better than either Lynch's or Villenueve's.
>>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
-faithful to the tone and message of the original book
AYYY
>>no retconned worldbuilding, everything exactly the same as the novel, even minor background details are the same
AYYY LMAO
Use your words zoomzoom
1984 pro
Frick you shill. Not watching this fricking slop. Sage
Liet Kynes being a woman was a fairly big change. Not that it really matters but the world crafted in dune clearly shows male ruled society and women rule the shadows. Especially for the freman someone like Kynes just does not make sense being a woman. Chani is also over represented in the film i think but otherwise it really is pretty damn close. I'm actually glad they split it into two parts because it let them get the pacing much closer to the book.
>Chani is also over represented in the film i think
kek, not hating but it's obvious you haven't seen it if you think this
Ive seen part 1 several times and have read the book right after it came out in theaters and am currently re-reading it. The visions of her happen more or for longer than they do in the book. She's also way over represented in those part one trailers but thats not really relevant.
>Not that it really matters but the world crafted in dune clearly shows male ruled society and women rule the shadows
so then, it DOES really matter. why make a point and then walk it back
The superior Dune movie.
Yes, even with the stage play backdrops and terrible, 90s, CGI, made on a TV budget.
Agreed. I love the dramatic use of lighting, the international cast which makes them believably foreign to eachother is great, when it has proper sets they're huge, the outlandish costumes which makes sense for a decadent 10,000 year old aristocracy and Chani shows off her nice big Czech tiddies
This is the besst adaptatoin of the story. Literally everything is well done (except for special effects)
Too bad it had the worst Paul
Meh, Timmy Chamalamadingdong is worse.
>cast is of A-list actors who were also fans of the original book
DUNC's cast are B-grade Marvel/Star Wars vets. Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto? Jason fricking Momoa? WTF?
The visual design is also shit, with the same brutalist aesthetic used everywhere, making the Houses indistinguishable.
And the dialogue sucks compared to the original.
>And the dialogue sucks compared to the original
There is no "original" zoomer. They're separate independent adaptations of the same source material. It's not a remake.
Yeah but the baron TALKS REALLY SLOWLY
Oscar Isaac and Jason Momoa are A-listers.
>Oscar Isaac and Jason Momoa are A-listers.
chalamet is utter fricking trash, this makes the new one lose by default, kid cannot act.
>kids
Older than Kyle MacLachlan back in 1982. Yet looking at most half his age. Do Americans put puberty blockers in their water nowadays?
Willy Wonka?
Almost every single point in your post is outright false. Why make up such transparent lies?
why minimise the baron in the new movies. basically cut off his dick. EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE SKARSGARD IN HIS FAT SUIT LICK CHAMALETS FACE OR MORE CMON NOW
The cons of the new dune is that the acting was wooden as frick except for the baron and stilgar and they weren't on screen that much.
My god why aren't emoting? One scene in the tent in which chalamek communicated something. Were they worried about embarrassing themselves on set, were they directed to act this way?
So dry. Neutral characters posing in front of unmanageable architecture.
What do you expect? Chalatard is literally the most wooden actor in history.
I don't accept this Gurney. Not a warrior poet, i don't buy it.
It was everybody!
>Chalatard is literally the most wooden actor in history.
Good directors can take bad actors and get good performances out of them.
Villeneuve-tier directors can take great actors and get at best mediocre performances out of them. See pic related.
Villeneuve's known for that isn't he. I think it worked in blade runner 2049 because Gosling is naturally wooden and it was flush with the tone.
Almost all of the most acclaimed, prestigious and beautiful films pre-1990 had dry acting. Excalibur, Cleopatra, Ben Hurr, 2001... Come on, man.
>dry acting
There's a difference between "dry acting" and the mix of completely unemotive and extreme over-acting of DUNC, which is highly indicative of what the picture implies: The actors have no idea who the characters they are playing even are, so they oscillate beteen camp and just phoning it in.
He was good in the french dispatch
All Villeneuve's movies are very emotionally dry, he may be autistic like Nolan.
2024
con
>Zendaya
God her eyes freak me out.
She sucks. The other fremen bother to have accents and she doesn't even try.
Kynes was a pivotal character to turn him into a nignog woman with 5 minutes of screen time just to get the Black person ratio up was unforgivable. I can accept that lots of natives were black because desert planet but they should have made the fremen aryan/Semitic people because if you read the books it charts the evolution of them very carefully and specifically.
The most important thing about Kynes was that he's an outsider living among the Fremen and adopting their ways. It establishes a parallel to Paul, who later also joins the Fremen - and falls in love with Kynes' daughter (a mixed child, again symbolic).
Giving both him (her, in this case) and the Fremen the exact same phenotype (unspecified black people) is what makes no sense, because it obscures Kynes' origin story. Completly omitting that story, and any background/lore to him/her was even worse.
And for no good reason, of course.
But of course Villeneuve's fanboys don't get that storytelling has a meta-narrative, that there is meaning to why things are as they are. That's why they also didn't care that Yueh had no backstory or motivation in DUNC.
And Villeneuve himself isn't any better. He doesn't understand storytelling either, but sees it as a checklist of meaningless plot events.
They probably didn't want to go into how the Bennegesserit establish all these myths to allow people to connect to underground networks of religious zealots and kynes was a smart guy who was hooked into this network of myths. They couldn't figure out a way to make the symbolism work. Lots of scenes in the books were visions that were intricately described so that anyone could produce them note for note and get the id3a across but they opted not to do it
They'll never make Dune Messiah because half the book takes place in Paul's head and it's so dark and foreboding. It could be the most epic sci-fi ever made so they won't make it
>They'll never make Dune Messiah
Villeneuve has intended to make a Dune Messiah since before he started Part 1
Intended? I intend to give a 23 year old Aubrey Plaza a rim job while she looks back at me in disgust but she make an O face when she turns around. That doesn't mean it will happen, but it should.
Yeah well it didn't take him long after part 1 to announce part 2, and messiah is next. So you'll know by 2025 if it's happening. (Spoiler: it is.)
>Yeah well it didn't take him long after part 1 to announce part 2, and messiah is next.
Yes, but the studio had already greenlit part 2 before part 1 was released in the US. It probably was a package deal. Villeneuve recently stated that Messiah (part 3) has not been greenlit. And I doubt they will if part 2 doesn't perform better than part 1 did. Then again, studios do keep hiring Villeneuve for projects even though he's basically never produced a financial hit. So who knows?
Pure 2 and a half hours of schlock with 16 layers of goof that is only liked because of its 200 million dollar visuals and German music man who makes the same soundtrack for every film and plays the same theme 90 times every scene with sand in it. It's pure trash; accept it.
Almost every dialogue is immediately followed by some exposition or an explanation. Notice it, rewatch it, it's constant. It's also a con.
Lynch's version of Dune is literally the only good adaptation so far. And I'm fine with the ending since there was never going to be any sequels
>the only good adaptation
There's also the porn game though.
But that in itself is more or less a demastered version of the kino DOS game from French dev Cryo Interactive
It's a completely different game, actually. MOre focused on story choices.
You should try it.
I enjoyed both
Chani
How does chani have mascara, eyeshadow, moisturizer, hair pigments and conditioner on arrakis?
holy epic kino milkers
Great game
Dune in name only.
Open sores on faces.
Let's sew a cat to a rat, then milk it.
Heart plugs.
The Voice is just a sonic weapon.
My name is a killing word.
Lynch sniffs his farts almost as much as Jodorowsky.
And yet Frank Herbert loves it.
Maybe because, unlike changing the meaning of the story like your beloved Dennis did, Lynch literally only changed how a few things are presented. That's all your points are: Nitpicky whining about visuals and implementation details.
>like your beloved Dennis did
Hey, you presumptuous c**t, when did I say I liked the new Dune?
The visuals are beige on beige slop; the costumes are meh, though some of the uniforms could be good if they weren't monochromatic; the worm design is kinda shit; the actors all seem to be on lethargy-inducing meds; they took a legit badass female character, Lady Jessica, and reduced her to a whimpering nervous wreck who wrings her hands in every scene; they took three hours to ponder their own buttholes instead of include more book material, yet they had time to include that dumb spider thing; random wailing Fremen woman; the Baron is a transparent Apocalypse Now ripoff; the score is droning garbage; pointlessly female Liet-Kynes, and we're supposed to believe that woman was Chani's mother?
It's a mess... though it IS still better than Lynch's perverted, masturbatory, fever dream.
No lies detected.
Funny how you still complain about superficialities, rather than the underlying massive problematic implications those things have on the story. Even when those implications are fricking obvious for DUNC. Shows how shallow your approach is in general.
>Lynch's perverted, masturbatory, fever dream.
Lynch's "message" is the same as Herbert's. You just apparently didn't get it, because you expected a literal spelt out "message" rather than a more interconnected net of themes that you actually need to think about for yourself.
Hint: There's actually a spititual component about Dune, one about human nature, and about exploitation of people and resources. Lynch understood this, you did not.
lol
Dune is a cautionary tale about religion and cults of personality. Villeneuve understands this. You are a pseud. NTA
>Dune is a cautionary tale about religion and cults of personality.
This is the short-hand brainlet take, yes.
You should read Brian Herberts stuff. You'd love it.
Re-read Dune and pay more attention this time.
>you actually got things out of Dune that I completely missed
>instead of jumping to the most superficial plot elements and pretending that it's the whole message like I did
>that must mean that you haven't read it carefully enough
Big brain moment right there, anon. You are a true intellectual!
It's over anon. You lost.
Sure, Brian, sure.
Now leave your father's work in peace already.
>You just apparently didn't get it, because you expected a literal spelt out "message"
ROFL... I'm so glad you grokked a message in the shit Lynch added, from his own fricked up (eraser)head, to Dune.
I'm perfectly clear on the message Frank Herbert was putting out there with his novel.
I'm also perfectly clear about David Lynch.
I'm rapidly becoming clear on you, and why I don't need to put any effort into this reply.
>a message in the shit Lynch added
It's themes, not "muh message". And it's not in anything Lynch added, imbecile, it's in the book.
>It's themes, not "muh message". And it's not in anything Lynch added, imbecile, it's in the book.
Are you genuinely moronic? Can you not read?
>I'm perfectly clear on the message Frank Herbert was putting out there with his novel.
>
>I'm also perfectly clear about David Lynch.
Anything Lynch transplanted from the book to his movie was Herbert's, anything he added or twisted with his mental illness was his own.
If Lynch's additions were meant to convey the same message, then it was superfluous by definition, and thus pure self-indulgence.
As it stands, though, the additions were also garbage nonsense.
In case you need it spelled out for you, the "theme" of this post is go frick yourself.
You have bad taste and even worse reading comprehension. I'd call you pretentious for championing Lynch's tripe, but you're not even there; your ambition is to be pretentious, but you're not quite there; you're not 'enough' to manage it.
That's just unspeakably sad.
May your blade chip and shatter; I'm done with you.
>Can you not read?
I can even do one better: I can think about what I read. You obviously have a problem with that.
>anything he added or twisted
Lynch did add or twist very little, and literally all of the thematic points I listed were already in the book. Well, in the metatext, not literally spellt out.
>You have bad taste and even worse reading comprehension.
Says the literal 80IQ brainlet who thinks that Frank Herbert would write thousands of pages across multiple books to say nothing but "beware of messianic prophecies", as if that were an issue most people face in their everyday life. You are literally too stupid to get the difference between plot (a messiah figure ultimately failing and leading to disaster) and themes (the things I listed and a few more).
>I'm done with you.
Good. Since we're running in circles here anyway.
Cat milking
Nice demonstration of your inability to consider metatext. You think in singular plot events.
Dunc sucks and so does lynch dune
And according to you, apparently so does Herbert's Dune. Since you seem to think that it means nothing but "messiah figure bad".
I wonder, moron, do you also think that Harlan Ellison's I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream is telling you "artificial intelligence is dangerous, don't build supercomputers" and nothing more? Nothing about the human condition? Nothing about moral values? About freedom? The nature of violence? Or retribution? Of purpose? Just "AI bad", because that's the plot?
I have no idea what you are talking about i am not the one you were arguing with i just find it hilarious with people defending trash movies who spits on the book
>I have no idea what you are talking about
Of course you don't.
>trash movies who
Great grammar there.
Seething trash adaptation defender
Keep projecting.
>unlike changing the meaning of the story like your beloved Dennis did
Tell me the meaning of the story. Explain it in your own words. I have to hear this.
>Tell me the meaning of the story.
See
I won't spell out the details for you. You should be able to switch on your brain yourself.
>>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
It wasn't even that big of a deal. In a way, it made more sense as did the death scene.
>It wasn't even that big of a deal. In a way, it made more sense as did the death scene.
See
, brainlet.
>artistic vision
>visuals on par with lawrence of arabia
I choked on my spit reading this.
get out. you have not watched lawrence of arabia.
It's funny how much this board seethes over this man.
He's a genuinely good director who also is making big budget blockbusters for hollywood. There's no better way to make contrarian chuds seethe. It's like it causes their brain to short circuit.
It's hilarious how quickly and aggressively the nonorganic posts are written, there is no subtlety at all to the seething.
>He's a genuinely good director
Elaborate. What makes him so good?
Good atmosphere, genius at framing, and good at giving the overall tone a sense of continuity across his films. Framing and composition is his strength.
>Good atmosphere, genius at framing
Please, make your bait less obvious.
>good at giving the overall tone a sense of continuity across his films.
There's quite literally no continuity. He doesn't even work with the same cinematographers across films. For Blade Runner 2049 he hired Deakins, who mostly imitated the original Blade Runner. For DUNC he employed that hack from Rogue One that already made that one look uninspired as hell. For Arrival a whole other guy (who worked on the other, even worse Star Wars side story).
For Prisoners he had some Canadian guy, for his debut and Maelström and Incendies another one, for Polytechnique yet another one.
This guy does not have anything resembling a consistent visual style, unless you count his insistence on making his sets make as bland and as ugly as possible.
>Good atmosphere
Everything is boring and brutalist and painfully unnecessarily slow.
>genius at framing
Yeah framing CGI is a real skill. Pffft.
>and good at giving the overall tone a sense of continuity across his films.
Breaking up the film into ‘green’, ‘grey’ and ‘brown’ isn’t rocket science.
>Framing and composition is his strength.
His movies are boring, utterly conventional in framing, and excessively reliant on monstrous brutalist architecture generated by CGI.
>Yeah framing CGI is a real skill
It is though
>We’re here to talk about Dune
>Leftard thinks we’re here to talk about other people’s opinions of Dune
Many such cases. Sad!
People who like new DUNC are basically the same tier of goysloppers as people who liked the Star Wars prequel.
The whole thing reeks of marketing and bland generic sci-fi.
I'm curious what your definition of "bland generic sci-fi" is and what your vision of good sci-fi is.
Clearly not this hot garbage.
What aspect of it specifically do you dislike?
>"bland generic sci-fi"
BR2049: bland, generic, soulless, pretentious.
DUNC: boring, slow, soulless, pretentious.
Star Wars sequels: illogical, badly written, politically tainted, CGI crapfests.
>good sci-fi
The Matrix, Stalker, Ghost in the Shell, Wrath of Khan, Quatermass, Andromeda Strain, Westworld, Silent Running, Alien, Onions Green, A boy and his dog, the Silent Earth, Death Race 2000 (the original, not the remake), Capricorn One…
>Star Wars sequels:
>CGI crapfests.
You can criticize them for a lot of things, but they most definitely didn't have an overuse of CGI. Especially compared to the Star Wars prequels, and even compared to the versions of the OT that you can buy on BluRay or watch on stream.
>Space horses running on the outside of starships
Just shut up you absolute drooling imbecile.
There are entire scenes in both the prequels and the OT special editions that are 100% CG. And by 100% I mean 100%.
Most scenes in the prequels are greenscreened with completely CG backgrounds. The special editions added CG shit to every other scene.
And the worst of all, all of those things aged extremely poorly.
Like I said, there are lots of reasons to dislike the sequels, but CG effects are not what you shuld cry about.
>BR2049: bland
it had AI girlfriend
your argument is invalid
dont understand how you could even compare Dune and Bladerunner with the trash that is the star wars sequels
Easy, they’re all superficial, shallow shit aimed at mouthbreathers who are willing to pay good money to fill their eyes with spectacle, their ears with Bing Bing wahoo, and their mouths with rancid greasy popcorn as the atrophied gelatinous tumor they call a brain involutes further.
at least the first one had some soul in it
>director thought sci-fi was stupid, almost refused to adapt the source material, fell in love with his own vision instead of the book
Absolute chad
>epic visuals
SHUT THE FRICK UP
ffFrick you, Denny Villy-whatever-the-frick-your-name-is!!
Both sucks and I find the new one boring but at least it takes it self seriously compared to lynch dune who felt like a sci fi parody movie but again both sucks
Both Lynch Dune and DUNC are awful Dune adaptations and mediocre at best films on their own.
Funny how you think you're a better judge of what's a good adaptation of Dune than Frank Herbert himself.
>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
Chani is black
Kynes is black and female
Thufir Hawat is black
Duncan is a Pacific Islander
Half the Fremen are black, Hispanic etc
You’re a homosexual
A complete and utter homosexual
And you have shit fricking taste in movies
I hope you die of cancer at the age of 90 and still a virgin
Frick you
I read the book in anticipation of watching both movies and I liked 1984 Dune more.
I hate the visual style Dunc went with, it's my main problem with the film.
Villenueve Dune is more accurate to the book but less memorable than Lynch Dune. I liked Villenueve Dune a lot while I was watching it but I barely remember it and have no desire to rewatch it. Lynch Dune is inaccurate as a book adaptation but it lingers in my mind, with lots of memorable scenes and great set design, plus a far better soundtrack.
>Villenueve Dune is more accurate to the book
It's not. It ruined half the characters.
Part 2 won't even have Alia, if the leaks are even halfway reliable.
1984 Dune is an interesting failure
2021 Dune is a successful mediocrity
>successful
If only as Reddit's hottest FOTM maybe
I'm so sick of the mini series being snubbed by this board. frick you homosexuals
1984 is inferior explicitly because I don't want Jürgen Prochnow or Kyle MacLachlan or anybody else whispering into my fricking ear the entire film
>Replaces hot white female character from 1984 with ugly half-blood Black person.
Dune 2021 was always going to fail.
Both ugly. Chani is described no less than elfin.
Zendaya looks better when there's hair in her face, all the shots of her in the part 2 trailer make her look ugly as sin
That's because she is ugly as frick, broccoli head
I'm so sick of this DOG of a woman shitting up the big screen
>broccoli head
I've never had that haircut thank you
maybe you should get one since your taste is as moronic as theirs
based DOG-of-a-womananon
He really shouldn't disrespect dogs like that though.
There were no pros to the remake. Its the ugliest film I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.
>remake
moron
>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
lmao
1984 Dune duncs on Dunc. Simple as.
Nixon was right. Gay men destroyed women's fashion to push the homosexual agenda.
Grim
there are women passed out in alleys right now that look better than this
Paul Atreides
Choose a path, do you see a narrow way through?
Dune
>soul
Dune
>soulless, like all of Villeneuves work
Simple as
Since it's impossible to really adapt a book like Dune you might as well stray for it instead of trying to be completely faithful and still end up with a mediocre imitaion of the source material. This is why the Jodorowsky adaptation would likely have been the best one
Chalamet looks the part but frick his acting is terrible and Zendaya is aggressively unattractive. I prefer the production design from the 84 film but I don't mind the minimalist take of the newer version.
Jodorowsky's film sounded cool, I just don't think it should have called Dune.
>Chalamet looks the part
Lol no. He looks like and effeminate twink with an anvil for chin
2024 is better than the books.
just as much of an experimental art film as lynch's version
lol stopped reading
1984: ridiculous looking personal shields, total joke, embarrassment
2021: cool looking personal shields, cool ornithopters, cool looking big shield tech failing
>current cgi won't get obsolete
heard it so many times
>cool looking personal shields
>cool ornithopters
This is what capeshit does to your brain.
>already weird source material made weirder, worldbuilding/lore changed or thrown out
only thing significantly changed was the weirding
>director thought sci-fi was stupid, almost refused to adapt the source material, fell in love with his own vision instead of the book
not a real con
>ridiculous cast with performances that felt like they were on drugs (in a bad way)
Patrick Stewart, Sting, Sian Phillips, ETC. the cast is literally perfect.
>director denounced the movie after making it
how the director "feels" isn't relevant to the movie being good. not a real con.
>author of the original books denounced it and didn't want anything to do with it either
how the author "feels" isn't relevant to the movie being good. not a real con.
>completely missed the point of the books, replaced the moral message with a shallow hero's journey ending
the "message" in the original book about the fremen turning evil and jihading people because... they just will okay?! was always moronic and poorly explained. regardless right from the start we're told paul will start the jihad.
>fans are only people who doesn't even realize it was an adaptation of a novel
you pulled this statement out of your ass. not a real con.
>campy special effects passed off as "sovl" only if you squint really hard
bro this came out only 2 years after tron what do you expect? cgi marvel fights?
0/10 bait
>author of the original books denounced it and didn't want anything to do with it either
>how the author "feels" isn't relevant to the movie being good. not a real con.
Not only is it not relevant, it's also a blatant lie. Herbert is on record repeatedly stating that he loved the film.
All the other points are lies as well, or at least omitting the relevant parts.
>only thing significantly changed was the weirding
>the "message" in the original book about the fremen turning evil and jihading people because... they just will okay?! was always moronic and poorly explained.
Black person they were oppressed by every single ruler assigned to their planet (fief) by the padishah emperor because it produced the most important resource in the known universe. And the reason why they were allowed to jihad was because the Bene Gesserit, in their hubris, bred the Kwisatz Haderach into existence, despite not really understanding what it would mean. Paul didn't even understand it himself, it just happened and he was trapped in the oracular paradox, caged by fremen law religion and culture, powerless to stop the jihad.
Stick to movies moron, you clearly cannot read a book.
That doesn't mean they're just going to declare war on the rest of the universe. I mean paul is the emperor he could just order them to stop but... they will le kill him and replace him with a figurehead! or some other dumb excuse
If Paul tried to stop them, they would have torn him down as their godhead because he would not have fit the legend, and then his bloodline would not have continued, and then Arafel would have occurred. He saw the Golden Path, but was afraid of becoming a Sandworm, and regretted the inevitable suffering his reign would cause for the survival of mankind. Leto II, as the true Kwisatz Haderach, accepted this and thus, the rest of the books. I know you said it's not very well established in the first book, but it's all alluded to, everything except Gholas, and the implications of Duncan Idaho. Pay attention next time.
By the time paul had defeated the harkonnens he had already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he was the chosen one so he could have easily bullshitted a "divine revelation" about the jihad being called off. If the missionaria protectiva can trick people with bullshit then so can he.
yeah but the point is he can see visions of possible futures, and the only timeline that results in the defeat of the Harkonnens is the one where the jihad has so much steam that it cannot be stopped anymore. That's the entire point. So by definition the way the original story is written it's confirmed that that wouldn't work, or he would have seen it.
The story is moronic and not very well thought out. Why couldn't he stop it? Why are there so many fremen on a death world with no water vs the entire galaxy. And they do the entire jihad with knives?
Jesus. Give me a good ol exterminatus over this crap any day.
The jihad served his purposes as well
, as it allowed him to squash any resistance to his rule, albeit in a heavyhanded way. If he calms the fremen down, he faced a greater risk of insurrection from the Laansdrad.
>yeag, but how could he be sure?
He's omniscient, remember?
>I mean paul is the emperor he could just order them to stop.
Not really. He gained their allegiance by stepping into the role of their messiah and playacting their myths. Part of that prophecy includes a bloody jihad to cleanse the universe of infidels. If he tries to pump the breaks, he'll expose himself as a false messiah and they'd either kill him or have to be put down either way. If he loses the Fremen, he loses the deadmans switch to destroy the spice ccycle, which would lose him the Guild, which would lose him the throne. So no, he can't just tell them to stop.
the man who would be king
I don't like old Dune either but Lynch himself said he didn't have total control
You dont get it anon, i have to be contrarian to fit in here, so i have to say the new one is shit and the old one is pure kino
>contrarian
Nice reddit buzzword.
Having an actual opinion of your own is so "cringe", isn't it? Just go with what youtubers tell you!
nice reddit post newhomosexual
The best version is still the syfy mini series.
>Dune (1984)
>Dune (2021)
These flicks are dogshit
>flicks
>flicks
yes that is what I said. what would you call them, "le cinéma"?
Jar Jar is a much better director than Villeneuve, anon. At the very least, he appreciates that things have colours.
>>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
it was a race and gender swap of an important character, he also changed the death scene
>CGI won't get obsolete
JP93 would beg to differ. CGI doesn't go obsolete, shitty filmmaking does.
I'm not defending the original dune it's a failed movie even though I disagree with some of your points about it, however villeneuve is simply not a good director, I haven't watched and have no intention to watch DUNC or any other movie he makes. Him being a fan is irrelevant if his work is sloppy
>have no intention to watch DUNC
Kinda worth it for Rebecca Ferguson though. Just skip all the Zendaya-standing-in-the-desert scenes, and turn off the sound if you value your sanity.
>FATHER! The Sleeper has awakened!!
Dune worms were WAY better than DUNC worms
>paul is a israelite rat
>chani is probably brown already but she's "elfin faced" in the book and zendaya is a fricking ugly c**t
>kynes is not a woman or a Black person
movie was alright but it would take a hell of a lot more screentime to properly adapt dune. feyd rautha, thufir hawat, piter, were not even named. how the frick is the second movie gonna go from paul just joining the fremen to storming arrakeen? they will have to skip so much shit or turn it into a trilogy.
It's approximately the halfway point int he book too
with a lot of cut scenes, including the dinner scene, jessica's entire POV internal monologue during paul's duel with jamis. It's sort of like trying to adapt death note into a movie and cutting all the internal monologuing.
Idk, it did good for the medium.
You can see the concern on jessica's face and the foreboding sense of her losing grip over paul to forces beyond her control.
she is initially concerned, and then shocked that paul is actually just toying with jamis, and reluctant to kill him. it's literally spelled out in the monologue. you cannot convey that on screen without it.
100% spot on
Good job OP. I hope you are reading my praise and that it's making you feel slightly less empty inside
I don't live near a true IMAX 15/70mm version of dune pt2
Consider yourself lucky then. If you lived anywhere near one, your eardrums would get blown by Hans Zimmer's OOOOOOOOMPHs.
I do, but they aren't fricking playing it. They are a science museum with the only true imax, but they do this stupid thing where the only air some hollywood films months or years after release, and sometimes they just don't bother.
Lmao.
I went to see Dunc in an "imax" cinema thinking it was like the science museum imax of my youth, one with a giant wraparound orb screen. Boy was I disappointed!
>Dune 1984
>pros
Not as well known, so Cinemaphile contrarians will pretend to love it, even though they haven't seen it.
>DUNC
cons:
>More popular, therefore Cinemaphile contrarians will pretend to hate it, even though they liked watching it.
You all know I'm right, don't bother telling me otherwise.
wtf I meant to post this
kek
>muh contrarians
Back to /r/eddit with you, where you don't actually need to think for yourself.
Fun fact: Did you know that long before DUNC came out, this board had a thread discussing Lynch's Dune every other week?
Being a contrarian isn't thinking for yourself, it's just buying into an equally NPC counterculture
NTA
>NPC counterculture
Yay! More buzzwords!
NPC
Noun
Brain rotted herd-following sheep with predictable behavior
Counterculture
Noun
Culture that's counter to the status quo
The problem with empty buzzwords like "contrarian" and "NPC counterculture" is that they're used by morons like yourself to shutdown any kind of opinion, no matter how well reasoned, that disagrees with your own. It is an appeal to an (often imagined) majority, that completely ignores the substance of any argument and just postulates correctness based on pretty much nothing.
That's why it's utimately nothing but a "brain rotted" "pedictable NPC bahaviour" "following" the /r/eddit "herd" that informs your very own opinions, Mr. "NPC".
See, I can use the same moronic ad-hominem buzzwords you use. You're not special for rambling on without saying anything.
Weird how everything you said can be re-applied to your own post
homosexual
Right. A post which uses not a single buzzword can be accused of using buzzwords. You're making a lot of sense here.
Reddit and DUNC are buzzwords, contrarian is not.
>Reddit and DUNC are buzzwords
/r/eddit is a webpage, a forum. One that displays a certain mentality that goes along with appeals to certain opinions with its up-and-downvoting system. It's not a buzzword anymore than "Cinemaphile" or "facebook" or "yahoo" are buzzwords, i.e. not at all.
And DUNC is quite literally one of the two films this thread is about. How is mentioning it supposed to be a buzzword? Or are you offended that I spelt the title like it appeared on the titlecard of the film, rather than how it is spelt in newspaper articles? Do you really not get that the reason people call it "DUNC" is because it's both funny and as a shorthand to differenciate it from other things called "Dune" without having to mention 2021 or Villeneuve everytime? It certainly isn't suited to shut down any arguments like your "contrarian" buzzword is.
tl;dr
you're not as smart as you think you are, go back
>schizophrenic rambling in defence of a barely mediocre movie
okay
>this board had a thread discussing Lynch's Dune every other week?
Post ten examples from the archive
heard there was a special a special reason why all this has happened that no one can understand
I don't think we've heard the last from anyone even REMOTELY involved in all of this
that's not just my instinct, but also what a lot of people might be saying
Imagine those paws on your face
just as much of an experimental art film as lynch's version
>>epic visuals are on par with lawrence of arabia
lol this is laughable. It's not experimental in any way. It's shitty CGI minimalism, and not remotely in the same category as LoA. kys
I had no idea Dune was so hated i mean by marvel watching normies whos lacks attention span and complain that it was too boring sure but i thought dune was loved by kino connoisseurs
Cinemaphile is a parody of film criticism, don't take anything you read here seriously, if Cinemaphile really hates something chances are it means it's pretty good
nice try trannies
>i thought dune was loved by kino connoisseurs
there are things to like about it, but any 'kino connoisseur' worth the name despises the abject cowardice of the film, its race-and-sex-swapping, its inability to utter the word 'jihad', its ugly empty brutalism and poor use of color
it's Imitation Dune; like mimicking the sounds of a language one doesn't understand. form without content
There will sadly never be a good dune adaptation maybe an anime could do it justice
>its race-and-sex-swapping, its inability to utter the word 'jihad', its ugly empty brutalism and poor use of color
Dune had literally none of that. It didn't swap races or genders. It called the jihad a jihad, had no brutalism and its use of colour was exemplary.
You're probably confusing it with DUNC. Then again, the guy you replied to might have as well.
You are right the syfy miniseries was great
It also had the balls to be the only piece of media that went past the first Dune book.
Villeneuve wants to adapt Messiah though.
True, but it's still a while away and the details haven't been figured out yet. Right now it's pretty much just a statement by Villeneuve himself to my knowledge.
nice pedantry bro
the content of my post makes it obvious I was talking about DUNC
>Then again, the guy you replied to might have as well
given that he was talking about the response to Dune "by marvel-watching normies", I could only conclude that he was talking about DUNC—normies don't watch old movies
Denis Villeneuve is hated because he successfully adapted two "don't touch" sci-fi films. Nerds will b***h and moan about anything new trying to touch the classics. Give it 20 years these same nerds will say how much better Villeneuve's Dune was then whatever new hack fraud is trying to make it.
I disagree. When I think of the ships and characters of Dune I picture more color and it looking stranger. Villeneuve went for a cold brutalist look which works but I would have liked some more variety in the designs.
I think the movie is great. I just pictured the book differently in my head. I maybe tainted by seeing concept art from Jodorowsky's Dune. Besides cutting the dinner party I think it is a solid adaptation so far.
>successfully
Kek.
>how much better Villeneuve's Dune was
Not when it looks like it does and repeatedly betrays its source like it does.
>Besides cutting the dinner party I think it is a solid adaptation so far.
The dinner scene is far from the only thing it cut or erased. It erased all of Yueh's backstory and motivation, the Baron's whole personality, Liet Kynes, Butlerian Jihad, most lore, most things that is going on in characters' heads. And reportedly also Alia in DUNC2.
I love Villeneuve's DUNC but it is the colorless "Dark Knight" version of dune. Dune should look weird and alien with bold colors. Modern audiences would have rejected it but it would have fit the book better.
>Dune should look weird and alien with bold colors
It really shouldn't? This was lynch's and jodorowsky's idea, but isn't really integral to the original novel.
Why love something you know is an abomination? Or do you think the visuals are the only thing it gets wrong?
I like original dune because of how weird everything is, even simple things. The scene at the start with the emperor and the navigators has some random black extra whi is an officer right in the focus of the shot for literally no reason, whilst the emperor is talking. The hilarious bit where the emp and navigator small talk about his trip.... many machines on Ix..."yYess?"
Regardless, dune the novel is simply bit that great. It was ground-breaking at the time , but in hindsight it's pretty fricking moronic.
Warhammer 40k stole all the most interesting ideas and left behind the stupid geological sand Black person parts.
>original dune
Lynch's film isn't the original dune
>Lynch's film isn't the original dune
It certainly has more originality in any single line of diaglogue than DUNC has in all of its overlong runtime.
Nice pivot, that was such a reddity spelling-related backpedal pun that it made me kek so I'll let it slide
It should honestly have been its own thing instead of a dune adaptation and lynch could get even more weird
I mean, there's Twin Peaks. Which brings back Paul and Leto and Stilgar and Alia, and also the Emperor's son. Oh, and frickin Iakin Nefud in a much larger role.
>no retconned worldbuilding, everything exactly the same as the novel, even minor background details are the same
>ultra-faithful to the tone and message of the original book
and
>1 race swap of a minor character (inevitable for any big budget 2024 film)
pick one or the other.
chani's details beyond being the wife of paul are irrelevant
she's just written as someone loyal and strong
>chani's details beyond being the wife of paul are irrelevant
Wrong. Chani's identity as the daughter of Liet Kynes has both symbolic relevance and relevance to the plot.
The main character, messiah, super human with psychic powers settiling for an ugly dog destroys the narrative.
Sometimes I wonder who sucks more dicks to get roles, Zendaya or Chamakek
>Sometimes I wonder who sucks more dicks to get roles, Zendaya or Chamakek
I think Zendaya might have sucked Villeneuve's, and Charmander then sucked Zendaya's.