2003 Turtles or 2012 Turtles?
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You know it's weird, both of these started off really damn good with their own unique strengths that still made them enjoyable and fun in different ways, and then they both just went right off the motherfricking cliff by season 3 and by the end were goddamn nonsense.
Don't forget that post-Season 3 the only episode anybody remembers is the Bad End Future episode, which is literally just a ripoff of the very same episode that Gargoyles did a decade prior.
No, I remember the Fast Forward ones pretty vividly
Why even make such an episode? Still funny that was chosen to be the final episode so it felt like the canon ending to the series. Speaking of infamous moments of the 2012 show, remember when Earth exploded and nearly everyone but the turtles and Casey were killed and Casey was treating it like he just rode a roller coaster?
Actually it was Mad Max.
Insane in the Membrane
Just like the comic books?
So you've never watched or read TMNT to the end have you?
That happens to any TMNT property that goes on for long enough, it's a franchise doomed with a built in expiration date. It's why I'm glad Rise at least went out on a high note instead of lasting long enough to jump the shark.
2003 for me but 2012 isn't bad either. As the other poster mentioned, the late seasons were pretty bad
2003 is probably the best TMNT cartoon, but 2012 is also good.
>2003 is probably the best TMNT cartoon
Says morons
2003 (including Fast forward and back to the sewer ofc). The more time passes the less I feel interested in any other, newer version of the turtles. Just too different.
2003 no contest.
2003 the 2012 turtles way too childish I don't know why the frick they keep making the turtles younger and younger
They're teenagers. We tend to think of teenagers and imagine someone in their early 20's, but real teenagers are children.
>They're teenagers.
They were clearly meant to be in the older range of teenager 2012 act like they're 13 at best
I think you're devaluing teens.
Seriously, it's this mentality that makes teens grow up to be babied adults, because people keep babying them instead of letting them be adults.
Yeah 2003 was far more like 18+ year olds, more like college students instead of highschools. But it felt fine because of the setting making it more serious.
Depends on the timeframe. Back in the 60s and 80s and before, teenagers had to grow up very quickly, so they had to function as adults. Mentallly they aren't matured ofc, but the responsibilities that were expected of them was more than what is expected today.
I’d say it depends on the era. Like I would say 2000s teens felt more adult than 2010s and 2020s. But the again the news was pretty. Uh on juvenile offenders back then for the news cycle so I might have a different view. Regardless, it’s not like the TMNT were meant to be normal teens, they’re literal child soldiers
I thought that they were only teenage in the sense that they've been alive for under 19 years, not that they had to act exactly like human teenagers do.
The concept is very fluid. Mirage leaned toward "they're serious child soldiers... but they'll enjoy comic books if they get their hands on them."
1987 was wacky.
1990 movie was much more "they're teenagers that have learned to fight," but stopped short of "child soldiers."
Honestly I think 1990 movie hit the best balance, and subsequent versions leaned into their take, neither the wacky gagmachines of the 80s cartoon nor the brooding warriors of Mirage. I'm more fond of 2012's take, but I think both it and 2003 did a good job balancing "ninja" and "teenager."
In b4 deletegay, btw.
That makes sense for normal teenagers who are not mutants living in a sewer and fighting crime on the side. Why would you trot out the realism argument about teens when the environment they're raised in realistically undercuts your entire point?
Maybe, can we stop having them be teenagers?
"Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles" next time?
What everyone forgets is the original Mirage comics already covered the fact no. They aren’t like other teenagers due to their upbringing which is why they got all depressed after Leo killed Shredder
It's It's a 40 year old franchise and people still don't get that "teenage" is supposed to indicate their inexperience, that they're still growing, learning, maturing. Not that they have to be hyperactive screechy voiced children who only talk in memes and contemporary pop culture references.
Right, it would be like complaining different incarnations of X-23 and Cassandra Cain don’t act like normal kidd. Bring a teenager doesn’t automatically a kid who’s on their phone all the time. The Turtle are disciplined martial artists, which as a lifestyle would lead to some advancements in maturity as well as the fact they know they can’t have normal lives and live in the sewer. Teens raised in harsher conditions mature a bit faster, these are kinda facts
It's why the Mutant Mayhem talk about the TMNT feeling like "real teens" for the first time drives me up a fricking wall. It's such a profoundly stupid thing to say, but it's also fricking awful writing for them to be totally normal zoomers who just want to go to high school.
It’s also like the third time people have said this “they feel like teensy since they also did it for both Rise and 2012 when those first came out
I get the feeling that the people saying that sort of crap haven't touched anything TMNT since the 2003 cartoon at the earliest, because 2012 was heavy on the turtles being a little goofier and less serious, with lots of jokes and quips, and Rise was energetic to a fault. Nothing Mutant Mayhem did was original, let alone good compared to other TMNT entries.
More people should read the Morage stuff, it’s got some cool shit like chocolate amazon martial artist women.
>That time Bruce Lee himself kicked Mikey’s ass
>That time a random goon was so traumatized from fighting the Turtles, he saw the whole world as turtles and ended up shooting himself when Splinter tricked him into seeing himself a Turtle
>That time the Turtles met Loki
>That time Donatello went nuts in the woods
>That time where Raph was slowly becoming an actual turtle after a leech began draining the mutagen out of him
>That time where Raph was slowly becoming an actual turtle after a leech began draining the mutagen out of him
That story was sad and creepy.
>Like Nick's Kung Fu Panda characters, the 2012 turtles are flanderized crap for dumb children. 2003 all the way.
I felt this way when the 2012 show dropped during my first year of college, but my animation major roommate (who was also a HUGE MLP fan), loved it.
>"They flanderized it for children" can also be said of 2003.
TMNT 2003 was one of the last superhero shows on network TV to take the BTAS approach. It was marketed to kids but there was plenty there for adult and teen fans.
>TMNT
>superhero
Bad idea.
>What everyone forgets
Anon, you're not surrounded by normie children. I'm willing to bet quite a few of us in the thread are well aware of what was in Mirage.
And Mirage was not the final word on TMNT.
It wrote the characters as child soldiers raised by a not-very-loving Splinter to be his instruments of vengeance.
But pretty much every other incarnation made them more like more "normal" teenagers that happened to get training as ninjas.
>I'm willing to bet quite a few of us in the thread are well aware of what was in Mirage.
I am not because current Cinemaphile‘s population is heavily favors people who watch cartoons over comic readers
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Oof. That's tough. On the one hand, I really, really hate baby-fied/kiddified shit. Which is what the 2012 show did. I also hate CG animation. But the 2003 has very, very, verrrry poor Pokemon-level voice acting, which makes it hard to watch. And the animation is extremely limited.
That's tough. If you put a gun against my head, I'd probably go with the 2012 show. But I'm just going to listen to it and not actually watch.
What's your favorite TMNT show?
1987, of course.
That show has aged poorly, really just a product of its time.
I prefer 2003 but 2K12 was pretty alright too. Ironically both of them fell off when they left the sewers (and even moreso when they came back to them at the end)
So is he just stuck as a mutant after Turtles Forever?
Would you?
2012
1987 or 2012 April?
(2003 April is okay too.)
You know for all that April is famous for being a redhead, it feels like everybody forgets that 87 April is actually a brunette.
It's like a reddish brown, but yeah, other Aprils have been more redhead-y.
A reddish brown that combined with the name "O'Neil" makes it reasonable that people leaned for red in later works.
2012.
Mirage > 1990s films > 2003 > Season 1 of the '87 show > IDW > >> 2012 >>> the rest of the '87 show
Have not watched the new movie, BayTurtles beyond the first one, or Rise. 2003, especially seasons 1-5 or so, was just so damn good that I never felt the need to. The first season of the '87 show was legit lightning in a bottle though. It was enough to launch the toy line and a shitload of great video games.
How is IDW above 2012?
Oh 2012. Don't get me wrong, 2003 was great, but for the turtles themselves I just had more fun watching the 2012 kids. Their interactions were more fun.
2003 easily
2012 gave the weird 'I love april' angle
2003 is probably one of the best fricking things to ever be made from a cartoon, at least the first 3 seasons
For the plots 2003 did a better job (usually), but in fairness that was often them taking existing Mirage plots and beefing them up/rewriting them. Where they did completely new stuff it was more of a mixed bag (Bishop was cool, the Ninja Council was shwarbage).
For the characters I prefer 2012.
>03 Leo
>Movie Ralph
>87 Donny
>Rise Mikey
>Ralph
>Anything from Rise
Like Nick's Kung Fu Panda characters, the 2012 turtles are flanderized crap for dumb children. 2003 all the way.
"They flanderized it for children" can also be said of 2003.
Is there a reason the 2003 series never gets referenced or crossovers with any other series? Is it some kind of legal issue?
Mirage and '86 get more references/crossovers because they were the OG comic and OG cartoon. That's about it.
Doesn’t Nick show 2003 reruns?
it flew under the radar for its entire run
They're all even except for Mikey. '03 Mikey mogs 2012
Leo: Mirage, Image, 2012
Raph: Image, IDW, Rise
Donnie: Mirage, Image, 2003
Mikey: Mirage, Image, Rise
Imagine that 2k3 Leo might not be able to accept this fact because of meh honor and fairness. What funny is that they say 2k3 Leo's favorite book is Sun Tzu's The Art of War, but the writers actually don't allow Leo to use many deception.