>Do a crossover with 1987 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>Have the Fred Wolf Turtles be so incompetent the current versions were forced to teach them how to use their weapons as if the 80s cartoon had them never fight a day in their lives.
Why were the 2012 writers so petty?
>>Have the Fred Wolf Turtles be so incompetent the current versions were forced to teach them how to use their weapons as if the 80s cartoon had them never fight a day in their lives.
What's weirder still? They already had a crossover with them. A crossover where they used their weapons. This happened already, they outfought a Krang Robot. They obviously know what they're doing and ended on a note of mutual respect.
A producer must've gotten salty at the reception because not only did they bring them back, they seemed to contradict what just happened.
I'm not even sure if it was salt as much as 2012 being very sloppily written and rehashing and forgetting shit a lot.
TF is mixed and does have the boys being way too cowardly than they should be, but as a counter also has their universe portrayed as very OP, with all their tech and abilities being a notch above the other universes thanks to cartoon physics and laws.
It's incredible ow the 201 show made Turtles Forever look downright respectful in comparison.
Now, that's unfair. Turtles Forever turned 1980's turtles almost morons.
2012's crossover at least made them feel like proper characters.
>2012's crossover at least made them feel like proper characters.
Turtles Forever didn’t have this
>2012 Leo: We need your help. But your fighting is lame. You have to learn to fight like us and actually use your weapons for once.
>80s Leo: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Use our weapons? But if I swing my sword at them, I could actually cut someone. And that would hurt.
It’s like Teen Titans Go joke played unironically straight
That does come across as being a c**t
If they wanted to actually canonize it, why not have 87!Leonardo explain that they prioritize using their martial arts for self-defence only? That Splinter taught them not to use lethal force because he didn’t want to raise his sons to be killers.
>12!Raph: You guys are ninjas! Why don't you use your weapons?!
>87!Leo: We may be ninjas, but we are not killers! Splinter taught us that, maybe if you guys weren’t so extreme, humans would like you more!
All the 2012/87 crossovers end on mutual respect and still treat the 87 turtles with way more respect. The weapons thing is downright egregious, though.
The first crossover was great because it wasn't blank > blank, unlike TF. It was just culture shock between shows. The other crossovers were that as well, except for the whole egregious weapons usage thing.
I'll still watch it over Turtles Forever, thought.
They’re outright called lame by Leonardo
All the future TMNT cartoons have been nothing but seethe for the series that came before them.
Not Rise
>Have the Fred Wolf Turtles
who?
regardless, the show absolute and pure filler
nothing ever paid off and the best episodes where the ones where it had frick all to do with the wider story
Turtles Forever portrays them even worse that this.
They at least didn’t need personal lessons. Imagine if something like Netflix She-Ra had the MOTU Adora show up and be forced to be trained how to “actually fight” by Nu-Adora or the same with Netflix Voltron
Yeah. Plus the 80s turtles saved the multiverse in Forver with their exploding ninja stars.
The 2003 Turtles were never supposed to be in the right when they treated the 87 Turtles badly. That's why they get humbled when they meet the Mirage versions. It also didn't help that the broadcast version cut scenes that had 2003 Splinter lecture his turtles because they disrespected their counterparts.
Yeah but in the 2012 TMNT version
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They basically act like the 80s Turtles are useless. With 2003 you had 2000s Raphael get shitted by the Mirage Turtles on for bullying them but nothing like that in 2012. Theyre just meant to be viewed as inferior
with how much 2012 references 80s turtles youd think they have more respect for them
They don’t do respect. They outright mocked the elevator scene from Bayverse TMNT
That was like, the one scene from the 2014 movie that even people who hated it said was great.
I wnjoyed the dud Mai.
Bayverse TMNT unironically gets too much hate. Dynamic wise, Bay understood the Turfles pretty well and the characters themselves were pretty well executed. The villains and the pig wddd nods the issue than anything
They're not great movies, but they aren't as bad as everyone insists. 2nd one has better action scenes, but worse story and character writing.
Why did Seth Green voice Leo again?
If I remember correctly, it was because Jason Biggs made some off-colour jokes on Twitter and people threw a shit-fit, so Nickelodeon fired him and brought Green in instead.
Twitter really is the worst fricking thing to happen to entertainment.
Seth Green can do Family Guy but Twitter jokes are not okay now? How does that work?
And lampshaded the voice change by having Leo take a hit to the throat.
>It also didn't help that the broadcast version cut scenes that had 2003 Splinter lecture his turtles because they disrespected their counterparts.
Shit, I don't think I've ever seen this version. You got a link to a clip?
Here's the extended version. I think that part starts at 31:20.
I was curious as well, also never saw it, i remember being confused as a kid when they referenced this later on during the 80s splinter scene
They actually don't.
2k3 and 2012 were both worse. We will never see Red Sky FW Turtles teach these loser turtles.
I think it was supposed to spoof the censorship standards of the time, the Turtles only being allowed to slice up robots. They could've at least used the 1987 Turtles' fourth-wall-breaking to properly explain that, though.
>the Turtles only being allowed to slice up robot
Besides Shredder, none of the 2012 Turtles ever stabbed living beings
The way the 2012 series and Turtles Forever treated the 87 series wasn't great. Yes, the 87 series is the most lighthearted and goofy of the franchise and there's plenty to mock, but the turtles were still competent at what they did. TF treated them as incompetent, cowardly, and nearly identical (03 Raph even says it's like 5 Mikeys at once), which isn't true in the slightest. The 2012 series at least got their personalities right (and the original voices), but portrayed them as even more incompetent.
Imagine a Batman multiverse crossover that portrayed the Adam West Batman as stupid and cowardly.
It’s just a very petty way of writing.
And like, funnily enough I think the Rise crew would have unironically been more respectful if they ever did crossover since they both seem to accept being light hearted
what makes you think that, is it because the rise turtles are already the most incompetent iteration.
the 2003 show has a crossover with the 80s one too, they did the same thing but it made some sense since the 2003 writers tried to be overly edgy and stand on its own. do modern writers just think the 80s turtles being a silly toy commercial makes them incompetent and dumb? do they just hate the 80s turtles? if so then why can understand. they're pretty much the most marketable so they probably just got tired of seeing them and decided to piss on them by making this.
>do modern writers just think the 80s turtles being a silly toy commercial makes them incompetent and dumb? do they just hate the 80s turtles?
In the case of the 2k3 show and Turtles Forever, it might've had something to do with Peter Laird being heavily involved in that show. Both he and Kevin Eastman have gone on record before to say that they was never entirely happy with the direction that the 80s cartoon went. If Laird was trying to get out some of his frustrations with the 80s show via Turtles Forever, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. Though I think a lot of people who lodge that complaint against Turtles Forever also forget that the movie had the original comic turtles rail on the 2k3 turtles as well.
Yep, the 2003 turtles get shit on by Splinter and the Mirage turtles. They very clearly point out that, despite being so goofy and soft, the 80s turtles are still heroes
1987 Turtles is not only despised by Eastman & Laird, but there was a lot of behind the scenes legal bullshit going on at the time regarding the series that they basically had to emphasize the fact that they weren't "the real" '87 Turtles.
i always assumed it was mostly just laird
No, Eastman has said in interviews that he didn't particularly care for the 80s turtles either. But he mostly just went 'I don't like this', shrugged, and kept making comics, while Laird was pretty vocal about how much he did not like the 80s turtles and it's entirely possible that 2k3 came into existence just so Laird could make a version that fit his vision more closely.
Laird's involvement with 2003 wasn't directly in the making of the show at the studio, instead he just proofread scripts and added suggestions or mentioned quibbles. His actual power was limited based on production schedule. By Turtles Forever his involvement was a bit more limited due to his own scheduling. This can all be read on his TMNT blog, btw.
Also, both Laird and Eastman are a bit sore over FW because Fred Wolf tried to sue them claiming they invented stuff like the turtles living in a sewer.
Unlike the 2003 writers?
You'd think thats bad?
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I might be wrong but didn't they already had a previous crossover with the Turtles where they where competent?
Am I right? I feel the first crossover was all of them in Dimension X the 80s turtles where competent, then the second crossover was in the 2012 Turtles universe and they suddenly became incompetent.
Laird is actually the one who frick up 2k3 turtles. He was the one who started turn Karai into a shit character in the 2k3 cartoon. Let her has honor bullshit as an excuse for plot armors. He made 03 Leo a lame simp for Karai, ruined 03 Casey's character development. In the Mirage v4 book, April is a fricking living drawing and sex with a roach.