Based. I've always thought this. I've gone back and rewatched S2 more than the first. Much more palpable emotion and interesting plotlines. Marty telling some dude that he's a boomer who's going to die because he doesn't like young people dying their hair pink is the moment I realized I was watching Reddit not to mention the whole plot lead nowhere. The first episode of S2 sold me. Great atmosphere and characters.
Also, S2 was probably the best way to handle a character who's gay and it was extremely based that they didn't flanderize or glorify him and even to the end, he was deeply ashamed of what he did and wanted to get married and have a kid and become normal. Too based, even back then.
Really, huh? The way i remember it it was >le closeted gay dude >"bro i totally beat up that homosexual who tried to hit on me"
Couldn't be more of a caricature if it tried.
you literally only remember the first two episodes. this guy said that then immediately went on to plow his homie from the blackrock group. apparently they had the best gay sex of all time and he was sucking wiener like a pro. he left in a huff and was miserable about it. the blackmail that was taken while he was having that mindblowing gay sex was what was his ultimate undoing. he would've never been there that night if he was comfortable with being a gay homosexual. it's poetry, really.
also dont forget about his superpowers of talking to gay prostitutes like a pro because he can relate to them on a gay level for homosexuals. he was based as frick. i loved this character. im not gay though...
>he was deeply ashamed of what he did and wanted to get married and have a kid and become normal. Too based, even back then.
Indeed. Homosexuality is a burden for him, not something to be proud, but a horrible dark aspect of his life that was destroying him.
I liked S2 and I think it was a great season, the scene where Farrell was beating the kid bully's dad, "he is doing this for you" and "now you know how it feels like when someone hurts people you love", that was batshit insane, incredible acting by Farrell. But I get why S2 made people mad, it was no longer this otherworldly Lovecraftian horror that was lurking in the background at all times. It was just regular city noir with the structure of a cyberpunk without the tech. Great show but not what I signed for after S1.
I don't think you're right about some things, anon. S1 was NOTHING like that. It had AT BEST judeo-christian supernatural elements which were just to blueball viewers about the evil cult which were just human rich pedos. Nothing about is Lovecraftian. It was from the start an anthology, meaning it wasn't at any point going to adhere to the same tone and style. I don't know how this clearly wrong belief has spread.
S1 is clearly Lovecraftian and probably the best depiction of it on TV. Lovecraft is not oh my Black personman I see tentacles save me. It's very subtle, you have no idea if it even is real. Rust has these moments regularly, when he looks at the sky and the birds form runes momentarily and then disappear and he doesn't know if it's from all the drugs he has done, or if it's real. There is plausible deniability. There is a cult that sacrifices children to something other and one of the guys even mentions the Yellow King, and if the two cops outside didn't rush in, Rust would probably beat the chomosexual to death. It's the only moment on the show when Rust is horrified and loses his control. Or when Marty's daughter places her toys in the exact same arrangement as the scene seen on the rape tape, which Rust later reenacts with cans of beer to test the two detectives if they know what he is actually on about, that is presumably because the evil permeates the world and has residual echo on even the most innocent people subconsciously.
But anon none of that is Lovecraft. That is just supernatural elements. What part of that insinuates Lovecraft? Also, his stories are by large just that lol. It's the monsters and the cosmic horror that defined him and that sprung forth the very term you're using. None such elements are present in TD. Like I said, they're just supernatural with judeo-christian implications given the setting and the story.
>Lovecraft is not oh my Black personman I see tentacles save me. It's very subtle, you have no idea if it even is real.
You've never read Lovecraft, have you? It's okay if you haven't. A lot of people think they know what 'Lovecraftian' or 'Lovecraft-inspired' means without having read his works. I've read maybe 2/3 of his catalogue and I can tell you the vast majority of stories leave zero ambiguity about the existence of the monsters and supernatural forces.
You can get his entire works as an ebook/pdf for free.
>You've never read Lovecraft, have you? It's okay if you haven't. A lot of people think they know what 'Lovecraftian' or 'Lovecraft-inspired' means without having read his works. I've read maybe 2/3 of his catalogue and I can tell you the vast majority of stories leave zero ambiguity about the existence of the monsters and supernatural forces.
I have read about 20 of his stories and have a collection of his works in two hardcover books. Now it's been a while but what I remember is that the stories were very ambiguous and maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. True Detective feels to me like those stories.
Rust is clearly brain damaged, there's no hint of mysticism, it's just people being fricking creepy like the moronic rednecks they are. Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character incidentally, oh, I've seen a billion irredeemable things in this world but now that I caught one goopy serial killer hope shines brightly again. Really? That guy was never getting a happy ending in a sincere script. Last two episodes were shit. Anyway, that's about as anti.Lovecraft as it gets.
If they'd actually leaned into the mysticism and made the shit more ambiguous by making other characters see it for what it is but disbelieve it, and had Rust go full-protagonist at the end, that might've been Lovecraftian. But that wasn't what we got.
>Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character incidentally, oh, I've seen a billion irredeemable things in this world but now that I caught one goopy serial killer hope shines brightly again.
For me Rust was always believer. In fact one of the major points was that Marty was surface level Christian, while Rust actually had depth to his convinctions. >If they'd actually leaned into the mysticism and made the shit more ambiguous by making other characters see it for what it is but disbelieve it
You mean like the Yellow King, or the little kid recreating child sacrifice with her toys exactly as it happened?
>the stories were very ambiguous and maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
Some of his stories are like that but most aren't. Most of the time, if there's any ambiguity, it's the characters in the story who aren't sure if the supernatural elements are real, but the reader isn't left with much room for doubt.
Very rarely is the reader left questioning if the supernatural stuff was real. One example I can think of is The Horror at Red Hook. That story is similar to True Detective S1 in leaving the audience to wonder if the supernatural stuff really happened, but even then it seems much more likely that the tentacle monsters were real.
With TD it's made even worse by the fact that Rust was already a drug-addled mental patient when we met him. He was already experiencing breaks from reality and we have a clear medical explanation of why that's happening, so it's hard to take what he sees at face value. The story itself isn't Lovecraftian; the audience is left questioning if the Lovecraftian elements are actually there.
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>The story itself isn't Lovecraftian; the audience is left questioning if the Lovecraftian elements are actually there.
I guess this is why we disagree. For me the questioning itself is part of the Lovecraftian staple. Why is Rust so horrified the moment he hears of the Yellow King? Why are the cult sacrifices affecting reality or rather behavior of other people who have nothing to do with it?
>For me Rust was always believer. In fact one of the major points was that Marty was surface level Christian, while Rust actually had depth to his convinctions.
You're right, but the point was that Rust was so clearly and totally broken that he was never going to be able to recover. For him to recover over something so trivial betrays his character, I think McConaughey himself pushed for this as the conclusion to the character because he is a christian.
>You mean like the Yellow King
just creepy cult shit, we got a bunch of these irl with far more conviction. doesn't mean the Jonestown people went to heaven or whatever it was they thought would happen >or the little kid recreating child sacrifice with her toys exactly as it happened?
Marty being a shit dad letting his work seep into his family life and affecting his daughter(s)
>Marty being a shit dad letting his work seep into his family life and affecting his daughter(s)
Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
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>Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
Yes, unironically. Mere coincidence happen all the time IRL. So, mere coincidence happening in fiction isn't good enough to establish something as mystical. If something happens in fiction and it wouldn't have convinced me of something mystical of it happened in front of me IRL, it's not going to convince me within the fiction.
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>Yes, unironically. Mere coincidence happen all the time IRL. So, mere coincidence happening in fiction isn't good enough to establish something as mystical.
That's not how it works. When you are making a movie or a tv show, if you have a slow pan with attention to specific thing, there is a reason for it. The scene is not directed in a way to say "oh look how coincidental it is that my daughter made this weird thing that I later discover to be a crime scene of a rape and murder of a girl of my daughter's age". I would give you benefit of the doubt for any sort of explanation but not coincidence lmao. It was a very deliberate choice in a show that is directed with mysterious forces in mind.
>Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
The whole point is that there's enough plausible evidence that either scenario is possible.
Sure.
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>It was a very deliberate choice in a show that is directed with mysterious forces in mind.
yeah, the very deliberate intent was "wow isn't that spooky?", or if you're being meta then it's some sort of symbol for the evil of the world corrupting his family even as he tries to protect it or some other narrative device like that
there's literally zero magic or supernatural or unexplainable events in the entire show. it's just "wow isn't that spooky?", to make guys like you type out theories about what this means that you literally can't justify with anything other than "well, that *was* pretty spooky, wasn't it?"
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>there's literally zero magic or supernatural or unexplainable events in the entire show.
We don't know that. The birds, the ritual sacrifices, the Lovecraftian references, various lines of dialogue that are just too weird, and you dismiss it all because you don't see Frodo putting on the Ring and turning invisible.
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Fat moron also seems supernaturally strong and resilient.
Not too resilient for a bullet to the brain, but still.
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And that drug dealer with two void black holes for eyes telling Cohle that he can see the corrosive acid on the edges of his eyes and then Cohle seething because he thought this would be just another redneck he would have in a bag was kino. That dealer outplayed Cohle at his own game, it was like poetry.
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And Rust was shaken because someone did to him what he always does: saw the truth behind the mask. Dewall Ledoux had the same powers of perception that Rust did and was effectively a mirror Rust looked into and Rust did not like what he saw. For all Rust's cool demeanor and swagger about being so sure about himself and his place in the universe Dewall saw right through it and KNEW Rust was warped. And Rust didn't know how to deal with that.
Go back and watch the scene. When Dewall gets up from the table Rust just sits there totally defeated.
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>Dewall Ledoux had the same powers of perception that Rust did and was effectively a mirror Rust looked into and Rust did not like what he saw.
Oh yeah. When he started talking he really surprised me too. He looked like a junkie loser, one of the hillbillies Rust would describe as guys who are not gonna split the atom, but he did split Rust the way not even Rust could split himself. That scene was shot really well and it was a nice parallel to the girl Rust told she should an hero after she confessed. I wonder if Rust genuinely felt for her and the suffering she would go through in prison, but that you should have a nice day line was really cold. Corrosive, indifferent, like Rust liked to pretend, but I think underneath it all he really felt for the girl, even despite his own loss, and that little bit of light in him won in the end. Both Dewall and Rust were wrong about him.
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I just chalked it up to the girls saw one of his case files on his desk and put their dolls in the same position as stuff in a file photo.
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>Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
The whole point is that there's enough plausible evidence that either scenario is possible.
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>reconstructs the crime scene perfectly.
She doesn't, it's similar to both the crime scene and the creepy photo in the old woman's house. It's not the same as either of them. We're following Marty in that scene and we see that from his perspective. The way she's arranged her toys reminds him of both and he's horrified that his little girls are part of the same fallen world these horrible things take place in.
>For me Rust was always believer. In fact one of the major points was that Marty was surface level Christian, while Rust actually had depth to his convinctions.
You're right, but the point was that Rust was so clearly and totally broken that he was never going to be able to recover. For him to recover over something so trivial betrays his character, I think McConaughey himself pushed for this as the conclusion to the character because he is a christian.
>You mean like the Yellow King
just creepy cult shit, we got a bunch of these irl with far more conviction. doesn't mean the jonestown people went to heaven or whatever it was they thought would happen >or the little kid recreating child sacrifice with her toys exactly as it happened?
Marty being a shit dad letting his work seep into his family life and affecting his daughter(s)
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>recover over something so trivial
He “recovers” because in his near-death experience, he thinks he can feel his daughter’s soul waiting for him. Whether he’s right or not is another matter, as is whether or not the change will stick. There’s a lot of discussion throughout the season about whether or not people can change.
It’s not my favorite scene either, but it certainly doesn’t ruin the character.
Rust is clearly brain damaged, there's no hint of mysticism, it's just people being fricking creepy like the moronic rednecks they are. Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character incidentally, oh, I've seen a billion irredeemable things in this world but now that I caught one goopy serial killer hope shines brightly again. Really? That guy was never getting a happy ending in a sincere script. Last two episodes were shit. Anyway, that's about as anti.Lovecraft as it gets.
If they'd actually leaned into the mysticism and made the shit more ambiguous by making other characters see it for what it is but disbelieve it, and had Rust go full-protagonist at the end, that might've been Lovecraftian. But that wasn't what we got.
>Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character
Were you really surprised that the protagonist underwent character development?
S1 is clearly Lovecraftian and probably the best depiction of it on TV. Lovecraft is not oh my Black personman I see tentacles save me. It's very subtle, you have no idea if it even is real. Rust has these moments regularly, when he looks at the sky and the birds form runes momentarily and then disappear and he doesn't know if it's from all the drugs he has done, or if it's real. There is plausible deniability. There is a cult that sacrifices children to something other and one of the guys even mentions the Yellow King, and if the two cops outside didn't rush in, Rust would probably beat the chomosexual to death. It's the only moment on the show when Rust is horrified and loses his control. Or when Marty's daughter places her toys in the exact same arrangement as the scene seen on the rape tape, which Rust later reenacts with cans of beer to test the two detectives if they know what he is actually on about, that is presumably because the evil permeates the world and has residual echo on even the most innocent people subconsciously.
The King in Yellow wasn't written by Lovecraft you smoothbrain.
Not the best season, but plenty of memorable moments. Cinemaphile seems to talk about it more than S1. S3 on the other hand was absolutely forgettable.
Yes. Watched 2 episodes and realized the show would never be as good as season 1. Never looked back and have no regrets. S1 is some of the best TV ever and I will forever post in threads about it.
>grrr teedee isnt lovecraftian hurrrr >so fukkin what about the king in yellow hurrr wasnt written by lovecraft >hastur doesnt count shut the frick up shut the frick up shut the frick up >rapes cat and assaults stepfather
definition of insanity
She tries, but her main thing is that she’s terrified of men because she knows any random dude could beat and rape her to death. Genuinely one of the best female characters I can think of.
>Genuinely one of the best female characters I can think of.
She is a prime example of the "strong woahman" done right. Her strength isn't that she can beat up grown ass men with impunity. Her strength is her ability to see her limitations, be honest about them without breaking down into an emotional wreck and gain skills through dedicated practice to attempt to compensate. Even with all her realism and work ethic she still almost gets yeeted by a man. It was good writing. Very good writing.
her strength is that she acts like a man? and that's "good writing. VERY GOOD WRITING." really? that's the most generic possible "strong woman" character. an actually well-written woman character acts like a woman, not like a man.
You can't show women acting like women though. That's misogynistic. SIcario is the only one I can think of from recent history that shows a woman acting like a woman and fricking shit up and generally being a nuisance.
It was fine up until that awful fricking shootout that was meant to be the major turning point of the season. Why do writers absolutely refuse to learn how a gun works?
>Is season 3 even good?
No. I barely remember it, but I do remember it being a massive disappointment. Almost entirely forgettable to the point where I think I've got it mixed up with the plot of a Casey Affleck movie.
>It was just the town's rich family who had a daughter who lost a husband and daughter in a car crash. She was crippled with grief until she saw the little girl who looked liked her dead daughter and wanted to spend time with her. Then eventually wanted to adopt her. Compared to Season 1 and 2 cult and trafficking rings, this wasn't warranted for a whole cop show.[/spoiler]
Honestly my favourite season. A lot less dense than season 2 and smaller scale, easier to follow. This is a meme but it subverts a lot of crime narrative tropes and it's not what you expect, but in a way that's clever and satisfying rather than smartass and soulless.
literally the worst tv show i have ever watched and i'm not kidding at all when i say that. if you don't believe me like a moron and want to waste several hours of your life watching some homosexual Black person cop tell all his suspects Black folk are going to rape them in jail while nothing happens both in the "flashback to when i was cool and young" AND "now im fricking old and shitty" scenes then have fun i guess. it is COMPLETE. FRICKING. TRASH.
i am seriously mad about ever having watched it. i don't know why - just really thought all the boring, nonsensical, poorly acted and written filler was some sort of genius misdirection so a couple episodes in they could hit you with some insane, psychedelic, eldritch truth. NAAAHHHHH. it's just some washup Black person in a no country for old men rip-off but there's no chigurh, moss, or tom bell. just a black guy in old black guy make up being sad about being old and never catching the bad guy (that doesn't exist)
people legitimately tried to cope or shill and say B-BUT TH-THAT WAS THE POINT IT WAS BORING AND GAY AND NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! yea? have a nice day you fricking moron. how about that? frick this moron show.
>homosexual Black person cop tell all his suspects Black folk are going to rape them in jail
This, holy frick. I was actually flabberghasted how many ways they were able to make his character essentially say "Black folk are going to frick you in prison if you don't answer my questions." Did they think it made him seem tough or something? He just came off like an actual homosexual thinking about dicks and ass rape all the time. Turned it off for good like 2-3 episodes in and that was after skipping through more than half each one in total. What a moronic, horrible season to tack on to 2 otherwise amazing seasons. Same shit happened with Altered Carbon. >start a show >make it decent >accrue fans and hype for next season >rugpull everyone with some dumb and ugly groid that can't act
Sick of this shit. Frick Black folk to hell.
This scene really bothered me because I thought Ray was dead since I knew he died at some point during the season. Made me have hope he'd actually live until he went to go see his fist ginger son that would have likely grown up to be a fricking soiboi
at the time I considered S1 a masterpiece and S2 a wreck besides vinceposting. now I can't even finish 1x01 because of nihilism and edginess. should I try S2 again?
>now I can't even finish 1x01 because of nihilism and edginess. should I try S2 again?
Sure go for it.
If it's any help, all the nihilism of season 1 is destroyed by Rust's last words, about the light winning. Rust quotes the beginning of John 1. It is a moment of powerful catharsis and Pizzaman teaches us a great lesson of hope through Rust paraphrasing the Gospel.
>Now listen up kid >You won't get filtered, will you? >No, my water filters been going strong for two years and not a single drop of hard water has come out my tap yet >This is just shit in the water. Maybe we'll direct a kino season together sometime. Maybe we won't
This scene was the final straw for me with Vince Vaughn. He's not a terrible actor but he just doesn't have the acting ability to pull off an emotional scene like this.
He didn't sound believable because he wasn't. He didn't believe a thing he was saying to that kid. What he should have said was that your life was fricked now and that you'll never recover just like me. Wait,, no that's moronic. Makes more sense for him to spread his own cope that barely gets him by because thats the only thing he has.
Nah I believe that scene was meant to be sincere. Or as you say, he at least wanted to believe it. Vince just really couldn't deliver the noir dialogue and make it at all believable. He was very out of place
Maybe you're not that interested in season 1 anymore, huh? >It's lovecraftian reddit slop
Maybe something else then? >We could watch season 2. It's always kino
By all means buddy, find season 2
>written by a woman >stars 2 woman >one has a bunch of metal in her face >the other cops in the police department will undoubtedly be dumbasses that either get in the way or are involved in what's happening
hahaha that's gonna be a pass for me man
Real ones remember the threads when season 2 was announced where we'd plan a fantasy season 3 with a setting, two lead actors and a theme tune.
If someone posted Jodie foster and an unknown red Indian chick in Alaska it would've gone crazy. I like it, I'm optimistic
I finished S3 for the first time a few days ago. I liked it but I'm really mixed on that last episode. I do sort of like the subversion but at the same time I don't, feels like they had to change things or they pussied out.
I think mystery writers have to stop making the red herring more interesting than what’s actually going on. >oops, you thought something crazy was going on? Nope! Subverted!
I thought S3 did this pretty well.
Often subverting the audience's expectations means cucking them out of a good story, but finding a way for the girl to survive and the detectives to make amends and find hope and redemption was more satisfying than another elite pedo ring narrative.
>filtered
No frickwit, S2 is just a shit imitation of season 1 where all the 'le big actor for tv' tried to ham it up and grab the spotlight like McConahey and the creators tried to just strike a balance between le spooky slow build up with red herrings interjected with madcap ultra violence but there was no chemistry with the leads and the whole thing unraveled into rubbish from the start instead of waiting until the very end like S1.
The show is pretty convoluted >something something two kids survive a diamond robbery grow up and do blackmail something something "toxic land" and a train something something a corrupt mayor and a casino and by the way blackwater mercs and Los Angeles elites fricking sex trafficked eastern European women and some shit with a hippy cult EPIC SHOOTOUT
like holy shit relax
it's almost as if it's a detective show and pulling threads exposes other threads and then it all comes together perfectly into a concise case where everything was actually connected the entire time and that's the fricking point
He saw him. Running through the trees. He's small. The trees are like.. giants. Men are chasing him. He stepped out the trees. He ain't that fast. Oh, Ray. They killed him. They shot him to pieces.
The second watch is very good,in the first watch you go in with the expectation and waiting for something that will make it like S1 all the time but then you learn to appreciate that it does it's own thing.I have also not watched any Vince films and think he was the best character with Colin
his acting is so fricking perfect and the character is one of the best written 'boss' characters ever put to film
scorsese would have had him sneering and being a homosexual the entire time
Reminder that Pizzolatto wrote Season 1 over a decade long period.
When it came to Season 2 he was given about a year to write it. That's one of the reasons why S2 is so impressive.
Yes. It was meant to be about kidnappings and trafficking using the LA metro tunnels. Then for some reason it was changed to be a fictional city, the trafficking was more barely legal Slavs and there was one scene in the tunnels.
I still liked 3, but the criminal element turned out to not even be interesting. The Hoyt family sort of meant well in it's own crazy way. It broke the theme of the powerful elites getting involved in depraved shit, and the being shitty to one eyed black dude was unjustified imo. He was just Driving Miss Daisy.
>I'll come back and buttfrick your father with your mother's headless corpse on this goddamn lawn
How was he planning on sticking an entire body up someone's ass?
The deaths of Colin and Vince and the gay vet reminded Carlito's Way. It sucks that not one of them made it through. They escaped and waded through so much shit to end up getting punked in the lamest ways. But I guess that's true to life.
Woodrugh's feels the lamest. Would a soldier who has been through so much real life and death shootings really not check his corners right before getting to safety?
>take some subway tunnel >get out literally somewhere random after running for like 15min >some guy stands at THIS EXACT EXIT and shoots him in the back
his death was bullshit
You can maybe see it as him taking the first exit to get cell coverage to warn the others but even then, him not checking properly is bullshit too. Would have made more sense for them to actually track down his fiance and mother to defeat him.
*didn't
>inb4 you got filtered by spelling
kys
No sir
Based. I've always thought this. I've gone back and rewatched S2 more than the first. Much more palpable emotion and interesting plotlines. Marty telling some dude that he's a boomer who's going to die because he doesn't like young people dying their hair pink is the moment I realized I was watching Reddit not to mention the whole plot lead nowhere. The first episode of S2 sold me. Great atmosphere and characters.
Also, S2 was probably the best way to handle a character who's gay and it was extremely based that they didn't flanderize or glorify him and even to the end, he was deeply ashamed of what he did and wanted to get married and have a kid and become normal. Too based, even back then.
Really, huh? The way i remember it it was
>le closeted gay dude
>"bro i totally beat up that homosexual who tried to hit on me"
Couldn't be more of a caricature if it tried.
you literally only remember the first two episodes. this guy said that then immediately went on to plow his homie from the blackrock group. apparently they had the best gay sex of all time and he was sucking wiener like a pro. he left in a huff and was miserable about it. the blackmail that was taken while he was having that mindblowing gay sex was what was his ultimate undoing. he would've never been there that night if he was comfortable with being a gay homosexual. it's poetry, really.
also dont forget about his superpowers of talking to gay prostitutes like a pro because he can relate to them on a gay level for homosexuals. he was based as frick. i loved this character. im not gay though...
I love how Ray glorifies him.
He's a God warrior
hes at least bi, not fully gay
>he was deeply ashamed of what he did and wanted to get married and have a kid and become normal. Too based, even back then.
Indeed. Homosexuality is a burden for him, not something to be proud, but a horrible dark aspect of his life that was destroying him.
>Maybe not today maybe not tomorrow but when the lights go out that's me
Judging by the pic you definitely got filtered and only like this cause Cinemaphile does
great bait, homosexual, here's your (you)
I liked S2 and I think it was a great season, the scene where Farrell was beating the kid bully's dad, "he is doing this for you" and "now you know how it feels like when someone hurts people you love", that was batshit insane, incredible acting by Farrell. But I get why S2 made people mad, it was no longer this otherworldly Lovecraftian horror that was lurking in the background at all times. It was just regular city noir with the structure of a cyberpunk without the tech. Great show but not what I signed for after S1.
I don't think you're right about some things, anon. S1 was NOTHING like that. It had AT BEST judeo-christian supernatural elements which were just to blueball viewers about the evil cult which were just human rich pedos. Nothing about is Lovecraftian. It was from the start an anthology, meaning it wasn't at any point going to adhere to the same tone and style. I don't know how this clearly wrong belief has spread.
S1 is clearly Lovecraftian and probably the best depiction of it on TV. Lovecraft is not oh my Black personman I see tentacles save me. It's very subtle, you have no idea if it even is real. Rust has these moments regularly, when he looks at the sky and the birds form runes momentarily and then disappear and he doesn't know if it's from all the drugs he has done, or if it's real. There is plausible deniability. There is a cult that sacrifices children to something other and one of the guys even mentions the Yellow King, and if the two cops outside didn't rush in, Rust would probably beat the chomosexual to death. It's the only moment on the show when Rust is horrified and loses his control. Or when Marty's daughter places her toys in the exact same arrangement as the scene seen on the rape tape, which Rust later reenacts with cans of beer to test the two detectives if they know what he is actually on about, that is presumably because the evil permeates the world and has residual echo on even the most innocent people subconsciously.
But anon none of that is Lovecraft. That is just supernatural elements. What part of that insinuates Lovecraft? Also, his stories are by large just that lol. It's the monsters and the cosmic horror that defined him and that sprung forth the very term you're using. None such elements are present in TD. Like I said, they're just supernatural with judeo-christian implications given the setting and the story.
nta, but you just don't know what you're talking about
>Lovecraft is not oh my Black personman I see tentacles save me. It's very subtle, you have no idea if it even is real.
You've never read Lovecraft, have you? It's okay if you haven't. A lot of people think they know what 'Lovecraftian' or 'Lovecraft-inspired' means without having read his works. I've read maybe 2/3 of his catalogue and I can tell you the vast majority of stories leave zero ambiguity about the existence of the monsters and supernatural forces.
You can get his entire works as an ebook/pdf for free.
>You've never read Lovecraft, have you? It's okay if you haven't. A lot of people think they know what 'Lovecraftian' or 'Lovecraft-inspired' means without having read his works. I've read maybe 2/3 of his catalogue and I can tell you the vast majority of stories leave zero ambiguity about the existence of the monsters and supernatural forces.
I have read about 20 of his stories and have a collection of his works in two hardcover books. Now it's been a while but what I remember is that the stories were very ambiguous and maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. True Detective feels to me like those stories.
>Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character incidentally, oh, I've seen a billion irredeemable things in this world but now that I caught one goopy serial killer hope shines brightly again.
For me Rust was always believer. In fact one of the major points was that Marty was surface level Christian, while Rust actually had depth to his convinctions.
>If they'd actually leaned into the mysticism and made the shit more ambiguous by making other characters see it for what it is but disbelieve it
You mean like the Yellow King, or the little kid recreating child sacrifice with her toys exactly as it happened?
>the stories were very ambiguous and maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
Some of his stories are like that but most aren't. Most of the time, if there's any ambiguity, it's the characters in the story who aren't sure if the supernatural elements are real, but the reader isn't left with much room for doubt.
Very rarely is the reader left questioning if the supernatural stuff was real. One example I can think of is The Horror at Red Hook. That story is similar to True Detective S1 in leaving the audience to wonder if the supernatural stuff really happened, but even then it seems much more likely that the tentacle monsters were real.
With TD it's made even worse by the fact that Rust was already a drug-addled mental patient when we met him. He was already experiencing breaks from reality and we have a clear medical explanation of why that's happening, so it's hard to take what he sees at face value. The story itself isn't Lovecraftian; the audience is left questioning if the Lovecraftian elements are actually there.
>The story itself isn't Lovecraftian; the audience is left questioning if the Lovecraftian elements are actually there.
I guess this is why we disagree. For me the questioning itself is part of the Lovecraftian staple. Why is Rust so horrified the moment he hears of the Yellow King? Why are the cult sacrifices affecting reality or rather behavior of other people who have nothing to do with it?
>Marty being a shit dad letting his work seep into his family life and affecting his daughter(s)
Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
>Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
Yes, unironically. Mere coincidence happen all the time IRL. So, mere coincidence happening in fiction isn't good enough to establish something as mystical. If something happens in fiction and it wouldn't have convinced me of something mystical of it happened in front of me IRL, it's not going to convince me within the fiction.
>Yes, unironically. Mere coincidence happen all the time IRL. So, mere coincidence happening in fiction isn't good enough to establish something as mystical.
That's not how it works. When you are making a movie or a tv show, if you have a slow pan with attention to specific thing, there is a reason for it. The scene is not directed in a way to say "oh look how coincidental it is that my daughter made this weird thing that I later discover to be a crime scene of a rape and murder of a girl of my daughter's age". I would give you benefit of the doubt for any sort of explanation but not coincidence lmao. It was a very deliberate choice in a show that is directed with mysterious forces in mind.
Sure.
>It was a very deliberate choice in a show that is directed with mysterious forces in mind.
yeah, the very deliberate intent was "wow isn't that spooky?", or if you're being meta then it's some sort of symbol for the evil of the world corrupting his family even as he tries to protect it or some other narrative device like that
there's literally zero magic or supernatural or unexplainable events in the entire show. it's just "wow isn't that spooky?", to make guys like you type out theories about what this means that you literally can't justify with anything other than "well, that *was* pretty spooky, wasn't it?"
>there's literally zero magic or supernatural or unexplainable events in the entire show.
We don't know that. The birds, the ritual sacrifices, the Lovecraftian references, various lines of dialogue that are just too weird, and you dismiss it all because you don't see Frodo putting on the Ring and turning invisible.
Fat moron also seems supernaturally strong and resilient.
Not too resilient for a bullet to the brain, but still.
And that drug dealer with two void black holes for eyes telling Cohle that he can see the corrosive acid on the edges of his eyes and then Cohle seething because he thought this would be just another redneck he would have in a bag was kino. That dealer outplayed Cohle at his own game, it was like poetry.
And Rust was shaken because someone did to him what he always does: saw the truth behind the mask. Dewall Ledoux had the same powers of perception that Rust did and was effectively a mirror Rust looked into and Rust did not like what he saw. For all Rust's cool demeanor and swagger about being so sure about himself and his place in the universe Dewall saw right through it and KNEW Rust was warped. And Rust didn't know how to deal with that.
Go back and watch the scene. When Dewall gets up from the table Rust just sits there totally defeated.
>Dewall Ledoux had the same powers of perception that Rust did and was effectively a mirror Rust looked into and Rust did not like what he saw.
Oh yeah. When he started talking he really surprised me too. He looked like a junkie loser, one of the hillbillies Rust would describe as guys who are not gonna split the atom, but he did split Rust the way not even Rust could split himself. That scene was shot really well and it was a nice parallel to the girl Rust told she should an hero after she confessed. I wonder if Rust genuinely felt for her and the suffering she would go through in prison, but that you should have a nice day line was really cold. Corrosive, indifferent, like Rust liked to pretend, but I think underneath it all he really felt for the girl, even despite his own loss, and that little bit of light in him won in the end. Both Dewall and Rust were wrong about him.
I just chalked it up to the girls saw one of his case files on his desk and put their dolls in the same position as stuff in a file photo.
>Yes, that's why she reconstructs the crime scene perfectly. A mere coincidence and bad parenting.
The whole point is that there's enough plausible evidence that either scenario is possible.
>reconstructs the crime scene perfectly.
She doesn't, it's similar to both the crime scene and the creepy photo in the old woman's house. It's not the same as either of them. We're following Marty in that scene and we see that from his perspective. The way she's arranged her toys reminds him of both and he's horrified that his little girls are part of the same fallen world these horrible things take place in.
>For me Rust was always believer. In fact one of the major points was that Marty was surface level Christian, while Rust actually had depth to his convinctions.
You're right, but the point was that Rust was so clearly and totally broken that he was never going to be able to recover. For him to recover over something so trivial betrays his character, I think McConaughey himself pushed for this as the conclusion to the character because he is a christian.
>You mean like the Yellow King
just creepy cult shit, we got a bunch of these irl with far more conviction. doesn't mean the jonestown people went to heaven or whatever it was they thought would happen
>or the little kid recreating child sacrifice with her toys exactly as it happened?
Marty being a shit dad letting his work seep into his family life and affecting his daughter(s)
>recover over something so trivial
He “recovers” because in his near-death experience, he thinks he can feel his daughter’s soul waiting for him. Whether he’s right or not is another matter, as is whether or not the change will stick. There’s a lot of discussion throughout the season about whether or not people can change.
It’s not my favorite scene either, but it certainly doesn’t ruin the character.
Rust is clearly brain damaged, there's no hint of mysticism, it's just people being fricking creepy like the moronic rednecks they are. Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character incidentally, oh, I've seen a billion irredeemable things in this world but now that I caught one goopy serial killer hope shines brightly again. Really? That guy was never getting a happy ending in a sincere script. Last two episodes were shit. Anyway, that's about as anti.Lovecraft as it gets.
If they'd actually leaned into the mysticism and made the shit more ambiguous by making other characters see it for what it is but disbelieve it, and had Rust go full-protagonist at the end, that might've been Lovecraftian. But that wasn't what we got.
>Rust also goes from a hopeless, suicidal cynic to a believer at the end, completely against his character
Were you really surprised that the protagonist underwent character development?
There's like 15 minutes of Lovecraftian shit and even then why do you need the feel to argue that Lovecraft equals automatically good stuff??
>why do you need the feel to argue that Lovecraft equals automatically good stuff?
Never said it does but it does in this case.
The King in Yellow wasn't written by Lovecraft you smoothbrain.
No one is saying it was written by Lovecraft.
Not the best season, but plenty of memorable moments. Cinemaphile seems to talk about it more than S1. S3 on the other hand was absolutely forgettable.
Yes. Watched 2 episodes and realized the show would never be as good as season 1. Never looked back and have no regrets. S1 is some of the best TV ever and I will forever post in threads about it.
>POTTERY
lel
i just rewatched S2 a week ago and noticed literally everyone in the show is attractive (besides the 50+ crowd), its crazy
>grrr teedee isnt lovecraftian hurrrr
>so fukkin what about the king in yellow hurrr wasnt written by lovecraft
>hastur doesnt count shut the frick up shut the frick up shut the frick up
>rapes cat and assaults stepfather
definition of insanity
I hate women so fricking much it's unreal
i turned it off once i realized that dyke was gonna attempt to be a badass grrl power try hard
She tries, but her main thing is that she’s terrified of men because she knows any random dude could beat and rape her to death. Genuinely one of the best female characters I can think of.
She sure does love Mr. Colt and other great men of equal distributions.
>The fundamental difference between the sexes is that one of them can kill the other with their bare hands.
Based.
>Genuinely one of the best female characters I can think of.
She is a prime example of the "strong woahman" done right. Her strength isn't that she can beat up grown ass men with impunity. Her strength is her ability to see her limitations, be honest about them without breaking down into an emotional wreck and gain skills through dedicated practice to attempt to compensate. Even with all her realism and work ethic she still almost gets yeeted by a man. It was good writing. Very good writing.
>female character is good, because she's written to act rational like a male would
I hate women so unbelievably much.
her strength is that she acts like a man? and that's "good writing. VERY GOOD WRITING." really? that's the most generic possible "strong woman" character. an actually well-written woman character acts like a woman, not like a man.
You can't show women acting like women though. That's misogynistic. SIcario is the only one I can think of from recent history that shows a woman acting like a woman and fricking shit up and generally being a nuisance.
fool.
SOME SAY LOVE
THE WALRUS LOST
THE TREAT, HE SIGHED
>all the cool male characters die
>all the annoying female ones live
trash
they should've filtered the cast, four protagonists is way too much for me to care
Should have just been Colin and Vince tbqhwy
Nah Colin and Amy
LATELY IM NOT FEELIN LIKE MY SELFF
It was fine up until that awful fricking shootout that was meant to be the major turning point of the season. Why do writers absolutely refuse to learn how a gun works?
because hollywood is full of no guns liberals
It was a shit scene on its own, then when you realise it was meant to be season 2's answer to the long take in the projects it's fricking horrible.
>Nevermind, nevermind, I'd thought I'd left these memes behind
Best scene in the series.
Is season 3 even good? I have seen it because there's a Black person
>Is season 3 even good?
No. I barely remember it, but I do remember it being a massive disappointment. Almost entirely forgettable to the point where I think I've got it mixed up with the plot of a Casey Affleck movie.
It's alright, better than 99% of television. Still nowhere near as good as the first two seasons.
It’s ok.
better than season 2
Good until the final episode retroactively ruins it.
On first watch: 3 > 2
On all subsequent rewatches: 2 > 3
The entire mystery being LITERALLY FRICKING NOTHING was shit, but 3 had by far the best final scene.
Him wading in the jungle? What was best about that?
I thought it was a perfect analogy for Wayne losing the last shred of his mind to Alzheimer's / dementia.
i literally cant remember anything from S3 besides the main characters alzheimer
something about missing kids and him finding one in the end?
>It was just the town's rich family who had a daughter who lost a husband and daughter in a car crash. She was crippled with grief until she saw the little girl who looked liked her dead daughter and wanted to spend time with her. Then eventually wanted to adopt her. Compared to Season 1 and 2 cult and trafficking rings, this wasn't warranted for a whole cop show.[/spoiler]
motherfricker. i'm a moron. meant to spoiler tag that and brainfarted into green text.
Oh well.
Honestly my favourite season. A lot less dense than season 2 and smaller scale, easier to follow. This is a meme but it subverts a lot of crime narrative tropes and it's not what you expect, but in a way that's clever and satisfying rather than smartass and soulless.
No. Its fricking shit.
It's literally the only good season of this stupid show.
2>1>3 but the gaps between each season are not big. Three is almost on par with 1
literally the worst tv show i have ever watched and i'm not kidding at all when i say that. if you don't believe me like a moron and want to waste several hours of your life watching some homosexual Black person cop tell all his suspects Black folk are going to rape them in jail while nothing happens both in the "flashback to when i was cool and young" AND "now im fricking old and shitty" scenes then have fun i guess. it is COMPLETE. FRICKING. TRASH.
i am seriously mad about ever having watched it. i don't know why - just really thought all the boring, nonsensical, poorly acted and written filler was some sort of genius misdirection so a couple episodes in they could hit you with some insane, psychedelic, eldritch truth. NAAAHHHHH. it's just some washup Black person in a no country for old men rip-off but there's no chigurh, moss, or tom bell. just a black guy in old black guy make up being sad about being old and never catching the bad guy (that doesn't exist)
people legitimately tried to cope or shill and say B-BUT TH-THAT WAS THE POINT IT WAS BORING AND GAY AND NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! yea? have a nice day you fricking moron. how about that? frick this moron show.
>homosexual Black person cop tell all his suspects Black folk are going to rape them in jail
This, holy frick. I was actually flabberghasted how many ways they were able to make his character essentially say "Black folk are going to frick you in prison if you don't answer my questions." Did they think it made him seem tough or something? He just came off like an actual homosexual thinking about dicks and ass rape all the time. Turned it off for good like 2-3 episodes in and that was after skipping through more than half each one in total. What a moronic, horrible season to tack on to 2 otherwise amazing seasons. Same shit happened with Altered Carbon.
>start a show
>make it decent
>accrue fans and hype for next season
>rugpull everyone with some dumb and ugly groid that can't act
Sick of this shit. Frick Black folk to hell.
The Dark Souls 2 of TV shows
I SAID SIT DOWN
This scene really bothered me because I thought Ray was dead since I knew he died at some point during the season. Made me have hope he'd actually live until he went to go see his fist ginger son that would have likely grown up to be a fricking soiboi
at the time I considered S1 a masterpiece and S2 a wreck besides vinceposting. now I can't even finish 1x01 because of nihilism and edginess. should I try S2 again?
S2 is neo-noir kino. Yeah you should try it again.
>now I can't even finish 1x01 because of nihilism and edginess. should I try S2 again?
Sure go for it.
If it's any help, all the nihilism of season 1 is destroyed by Rust's last words, about the light winning. Rust quotes the beginning of John 1. It is a moment of powerful catharsis and Pizzaman teaches us a great lesson of hope through Rust paraphrasing the Gospel.
S2 is incredibly hopeful
they say what goes up must come down, but i just threw a football to the frickin moon
>Now listen up kid
>You won't get filtered, will you?
>No, my water filters been going strong for two years and not a single drop of hard water has come out my tap yet
>This is just shit in the water. Maybe we'll direct a kino season together sometime. Maybe we won't
This scene was the final straw for me with Vince Vaughn. He's not a terrible actor but he just doesn't have the acting ability to pull off an emotional scene like this.
He didn't sound believable because he wasn't. He didn't believe a thing he was saying to that kid. What he should have said was that your life was fricked now and that you'll never recover just like me. Wait,, no that's moronic. Makes more sense for him to spread his own cope that barely gets him by because thats the only thing he has.
Nah I believe that scene was meant to be sincere. Or as you say, he at least wanted to believe it. Vince just really couldn't deliver the noir dialogue and make it at all believable. He was very out of place
He was still in pain from the loss of his avocado trees.
Maybe you're not that interested in season 1 anymore, huh?
>It's lovecraftian reddit slop
Maybe something else then?
>We could watch season 2. It's always kino
By all means buddy, find season 2
>You talked to woodrugh?
No, he was out watching season 1
>Shit, I hope he didn't watch the whole season in one sitting
Who /hype/?
not at all
Not only is pizza not writing it, it's being written by a w*man
>written by a woman
>stars 2 woman
>one has a bunch of metal in her face
>the other cops in the police department will undoubtedly be dumbasses that either get in the way or are involved in what's happening
hahaha that's gonna be a pass for me man
Why don't you like women?
because they cant make anything that doesn't center around men bad/corrupt/ evil etc.
beta males will still watch it because they have no dignity.
I like the setting, but no Pizza worries me.
Real ones remember the threads when season 2 was announced where we'd plan a fantasy season 3 with a setting, two lead actors and a theme tune.
If someone posted Jodie foster and an unknown red Indian chick in Alaska it would've gone crazy. I like it, I'm optimistic
>judi foster
theres some hope
>literal nobody
ehhhhhhhh
AWARDS WERE LOST
NO SEASONS SIGNED
I LOST MY JOB
THE SCRIPT WAS MINE
I HAD A JOB
I DIDNT TRY
I HAVE A NAME
ITS PIZZA PIE
PIZZA PIE
PIZZA PIE
I WROTE THE SCRIPT NOBODY LIKED
THE STORY’S TOLD
WITH HACKY LINES
I HAD A NAME
ITS PIZZA PIE
ive been waiting for years to see this again, thank you
I finished S3 for the first time a few days ago. I liked it but I'm really mixed on that last episode. I do sort of like the subversion but at the same time I don't, feels like they had to change things or they pussied out.
I think mystery writers have to stop making the red herring more interesting than what’s actually going on.
>oops, you thought something crazy was going on? Nope! Subverted!
I thought S3 did this pretty well.
Often subverting the audience's expectations means cucking them out of a good story, but finding a way for the girl to survive and the detectives to make amends and find hope and redemption was more satisfying than another elite pedo ring narrative.
I’m just here to frick your wife, Marty.
why didn't they fire the sketch artist after he drew a man with green ears and a spaghetti face
>filtered
No frickwit, S2 is just a shit imitation of season 1 where all the 'le big actor for tv' tried to ham it up and grab the spotlight like McConahey and the creators tried to just strike a balance between le spooky slow build up with red herrings interjected with madcap ultra violence but there was no chemistry with the leads and the whole thing unraveled into rubbish from the start instead of waiting until the very end like S1.
The show is pretty convoluted
>something something two kids survive a diamond robbery grow up and do blackmail something something "toxic land" and a train something something a corrupt mayor and a casino and by the way blackwater mercs and Los Angeles elites fricking sex trafficked eastern European women and some shit with a hippy cult EPIC SHOOTOUT
like holy shit relax
You speak and think like an autistic Black person,show us what you think is good writing
Season 1, the script wasn't filled with every idea imaginable.
it's almost as if it's a detective show and pulling threads exposes other threads and then it all comes together perfectly into a concise case where everything was actually connected the entire time and that's the fricking point
Why didn't Velcoro just do what he said and ditch the car at a car park?
He saw him. Running through the trees. He's small. The trees are like.. giants. Men are chasing him. He stepped out the trees. He ain't that fast. Oh, Ray. They killed him. They shot him to pieces.
Based.
The second watch is very good,in the first watch you go in with the expectation and waiting for something that will make it like S1 all the time but then you learn to appreciate that it does it's own thing.I have also not watched any Vince films and think he was the best character with Colin
his acting is so fricking perfect and the character is one of the best written 'boss' characters ever put to film
scorsese would have had him sneering and being a homosexual the entire time
Reminder that Pizzolatto wrote Season 1 over a decade long period.
When it came to Season 2 he was given about a year to write it. That's one of the reasons why S2 is so impressive.
Wasn't season 2 supposed to be about the subway?
Yes. It was meant to be about kidnappings and trafficking using the LA metro tunnels. Then for some reason it was changed to be a fictional city, the trafficking was more barely legal Slavs and there was one scene in the tunnels.
wrong it was about the highway system you fricking morons
I did for years, but ended up enjoying it recently. Nothing can live up to Season 1, but it doesn't mean 2 and 3 were bad in themselves.
3 was bad
2 fricking rocked
I still liked 3, but the criminal element turned out to not even be interesting. The Hoyt family sort of meant well in it's own crazy way. It broke the theme of the powerful elites getting involved in depraved shit, and the being shitty to one eyed black dude was unjustified imo. He was just Driving Miss Daisy.
AND IF IM ACTING LIKE A KING DONT YOU KNOW THAT
IM A HUMAN BEINGG
Vince seemed like he slimmed up for this role and was back to his kino Swingers self. Definitely the best part of the season.
>I'll come back and buttfrick your father with your mother's headless corpse on this goddamn lawn
How was he planning on sticking an entire body up someone's ass?
The deaths of Colin and Vince and the gay vet reminded Carlito's Way. It sucks that not one of them made it through. They escaped and waded through so much shit to end up getting punked in the lamest ways. But I guess that's true to life.
Woodrugh's feels the lamest. Would a soldier who has been through so much real life and death shootings really not check his corners right before getting to safety?
>take some subway tunnel
>get out literally somewhere random after running for like 15min
>some guy stands at THIS EXACT EXIT and shoots him in the back
his death was bullshit
You can maybe see it as him taking the first exit to get cell coverage to warn the others but even then, him not checking properly is bullshit too. Would have made more sense for them to actually track down his fiance and mother to defeat him.
What other single season of TV can compete with True Detective 1? The only one I can think of that beats it is The Return.
>they says it's a dog eat dog world, Ray... I'm the fricking Chinaman.
Season 3 is the best season. Sarah Gadon's even in it.