reading translated books is dumb. You're not reading the original author's prose, you're reading the cheapest translator the publisher could find who probably isn't even a native speaker who can't capture the intricacies and nuance of language
"Blue" in japanese can also mean "Green", just as an example to show how stupid you are.
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They see it as the same color, we dont. Therefore we can use green or blue for their green/blue
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Now translate a scene where the author is making a metaphor intentionally using the uncertainty of the actual color. If you think this sounds too weird, I can tell you right now that I've read a scene like that just yesterday, and I've seen the translations, all of which use extensive TL notes because they can't do it otherwise.
> reading translated books is dumb. You're not reading the original author's prose, you're reading the cheapest translator the publisher could find who probably isn't even a native speaker who can't capture the intricacies and nuance of language
In this case, the translator is a native speaker of both English and Chinese, as well as a well-known SF writer.
>In some cases, I tried to adjust the narrative techniques to ones that American readers are more familiar with.
This is exactly the kind of patronizing behavior that makes me hate most "translations".
Yeah I'm a professional translator and I wanted to get into literary stuff but it's pointless. If you want to read a book, read it in its original language. Otherwise it's istening to a midi version of a Mozart symphony
Actually the novel is about prose as well especially in the original Chinese version. However the translations are actually done pretty well so you still get some of that poetic and flowery prose.
preddit's not my problem though so i don't care.
i hope zuck buttfricks bluesky and the fediverse while he's at it. he won't though because he's not even running meta anymore.
the intrigue from the opening is supposed to be the top scientists of their field across the planet are killing themselves and no one can figure out why
THIS LOOKS LIKE FRICKING SHIT
i cant believe they used the marvel guy for the inspector...
the book is great
as this anon:
the intrigue from the opening is supposed to be the top scientists of their field across the planet are killing themselves and no one can figure out why
mentions, strange shit happens to special scientists at the beginning
Given Netflix’s history, does that mean it’ll go 3 seasons and not conclude the story?
i think it'll flop and canceled but it should be 3 seasons = 3 books
It's translated from Chinese, but it reads pretty well and has an old school sci-fi feel to it with brief and realistic descriptions of the settings and characters. The narrator is a distant/removed observer, with a heavy focus on potential solutions to classical mechanics/physics problems (the book title) and philosophical answers to questions involving alien life.
I liked it, the dialogue is a bit autistic and sometimes you feel like the author is getting too hung up on a seemingly tangential part of the story, but everything ends up mattering later on (without getting into any spoilers). For the amount of hard sci-fi elements to it, you wouldn't expect good storytelling twists, but there are plenty of them and they drive the entire narrative. The first book has elements of a realistic, murder mystery thriller while you are trying to figure out wtf is going on, and the second book elevates the stakes from the end of the first book and cranks everything up a notch on the sci-fi levels and it gets fun and wacky really fast.
some people are autistic about the 2nd book (joel martinsen) reading differently than the 1st and 3rd ones (ken liu) but to be honest i didn't even know it was a different translator until i looked it up halfway through. i might just be a pea brain, but it didn't bother me at all and the 2nd book was my favorite in many ways
the communists are bad guys in the show
of course the star government is communist but china does not suppress knowledge of their ultracommunist past. the thing they are concerned about is tianenmen square, a couple of pro-democracy people, and criticism of the Party.
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>does not suppress knowledge of their ultracommunist past. > the thing they are concerned about is tianenmen square, a couple of pro-democracy people, and criticism of the Party. >ultracommunist >past.
>ultra >communist
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yeah their traditional soviet-style communism. the thing that didn't work for them. the thing that doesn't work for russia.
what they have now is still communist, but it's a different beast. however, real data on china is hard to come by, because they absolutely do not let the world know the real numbers.
they're a weird blend of capitalism and communism now. real freedom is still sharply curtailed, but a high standard of living is possible if you have the cash.
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>they're a weird blend of capitalism and communism now. real freedom is still sharply curtailed, but a high standard of living is possible if you have the cash.
that's because communism is impossible
it'll always be like china and soviet russia: a dictatorship with some perverted form of capitalism
it will always be a horrible means to an utopia
surprisingly no, and the author was highly critical of the cultural revolution as a whole. he definitely does not paint it or the bugmen takeover of natural resources and killing of intellectuals as a "good thing." i thought he might get in trouble for some of the stories in it, but i guess he got away with it because it's fiction, idk. it's fairly critical of USA foreign policy though, with a stereotypical hardline american bureaucrat character in book 2, but i just thought that part was funny.
4 months ago
Anonymous
How the FRICK did this get published?
4 months ago
Anonymous
it's not critical of the CCP, President Xi, and it doesn't bring up any forbidden topics.
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Anonymous
a fricking cop and some military brass are good guys in this lol. the MCs company is a state company, the communists own him, he just runs things there.
CCP is deeply antithetical to freedom but there is more than one way to live as a human. Still I'm glad to be American.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Name one hollywood movie where the military are the bad guys
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The Abyss
Avatar
They Live
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this had some sense when it was Pocahontas, in spite of natives slaving and being genocidal with each-other
but in no fricking way I'll be rooting for a aliens killing humans
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but the humans are aggressors and the natives just want them to leave
4 months ago
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in no fricking way I'll be rooting for aliens killing humans
4 months ago
Anonymous
You might if, like the book, the humans were all Chinese.
4 months ago
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The Creator
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He didnd't check older interviews and see the difference Pooh definitely paid his family a visit
I dunno about that, the prologue is literally about the main character watching Chinese university professors, including her father, being executed for teaching physics concepts named after westerners by insane, brainwashed communist teenagers.
No, the book paints them not in a good light. And the tencent series omits some serious good stuff with payoff. Which is the main reason I'm interested in seeing this... I don't think D&D have the same limitations, at least.
more like the 3 people problem. get it? because only 3 people are watching it. ahaahah your show sucks
>ahaahah your show sucks
Possibly, but the story itself is good regardless
Pretty bad. I’ve read a ton of sci fi over the years since I was a kid and personally it ranks pretty low for me. The ideas were decent enough but I don’t think the translation to English worked out very well.
You should read the first two books at least. They’re excellent. The gist of it >Chinese woman in the 70s makes contact with aliens who live on a nearby planet in a binary star system and have chaotic, unpredictable solar patterns that hampers their lives >she basically invites the aliens to earth, knowing they’ll conquer and kill us because she’s disillusioned with the Chinese communist revolution >aliens don’t have light speed travel yet. It will take them 400+ years to reach earth >due to the chaotic nature of their planet it has taken them hundreds of millions of years to go from cavemen to industrialized to space faring >they realize humans are advancing through the milestones of civilization and science many times faster than they did >by the time they reach earth in 440 years, humans might be more advanced and conquer them >aliens send 9-dimensional AI bots called sophons that are the size of a proton to earth to frick up all advanced physics experiments and handicap human scientific development >tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane >human cop and scientist investigate the sucides and find a VR game called three body which is designed to solve the chaotic nature of the aliens home planet being in a binary star system >in the end they determine it cannot be solved and the alien planet is doomed to be forever chaotic with unpredictable weather, gravity, and frequent catastrophic solar/weather events
That’s all I remember from the first book. There’s some other shit about groups on earth who support the aliens and shit but that’s the bulk of the plot. The 2nd book is the best of the series.
>tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
This is really funny, so being Darwinian atheists wasn't enough to drive them crazy but the existence of alien robots does?
The other poster kind of got it wrong.
The scientists don't know about the alien robots. All they know is that one day, randomly, all particle physics experiments became irreproducible. Their entire lives work became stuck in mud for no reason and would never move forward. The "physics is a lie" insanity was probably it for some of them but that is the main reason.
>aliens don’t have light speed travel yet. It will take them 400+ years to reach earth >due to the chaotic nature of their planet it has taken them hundreds of millions of years to go from cavemen to industrialized to space faring >they realize humans are advancing through the milestones of civilization and science many times faster than they did >by the time they reach earth in 440 years, humans might be more advanced and conquer them
Cool >aliens send 9-dimensional AI bots called sophons that are the size of a proton to earth to frick up all advanced physics experiments and handicap human scientific development
Ok >tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
moronic >human cop and scientist investigate the sucides and find a VR game
Gay, pass
fwiw, that anon gave a horrible synopsis and the vr game is like 5% of one book in a three book series. it's an afterthought by the beginning of book 2
I only read the first book. Very kitschy sci-fi trash that feels like anime in a bad way if you get what I mean.
The characters are very shallow, there’s nothing interesting in the sci-fi or aesthetic departement and some whacky bollywood shenanigans happen.
I don’t know what midwits see in this. The absolute state of modern sci-fi.
I liked the first and dropped the second around the beginning because I didn't care about the dude who fell in love with the imaginative waifu, so it gets better?
yeah, it gets really fricking good. the waifu thing stops after a couple chapters and ends up going a different direction than you expect, then it goes back to cool humanity doomsday prepping at a large scale with each Wall Facer having his own plan executed
>ayy lmao's discover us >decide to wipe us out before we wipe them out >they send an ai to frick with humnity >no actual contact between humanity and ayys takes place
extremely advanced aliens live on a planet with a chaotic trinary star system. this system makes the planet experience non-repeating, chaotic cycles of heat and cold, preventing the aliens from building a long lasting civilization. a researcher from earth sends radio signals out into space using an advanced method and the aliens receive it. they realize that earth is 'relatively' close and an ideal paradise compared to their planet. they begin a plan of espionage and subversion with the long term goal of occupying the planet and eradicating humanity
the idea that radio waves would alert someone else of our presence is so moronic.
doesnt this advanced civilization have deep space telescopes? the fact that earth is and was habitable for hundreds of millions of years cant be hidden.
if it had any value for some alien colonizer, then they wouldve already arrived aeons ago
space is vast. finding a habitable planet would be like throwing a dart from the moon and hitting a target the size of an ant.
UNLESS
some crazy bugmen use gravitational lensing and throw a signal out into space all willy nilly.
congratulations, now your sun flashes like a neon sign that says ALL YOU CAN EAT DICK BUFFET COME AND GET IT.
>space is vast. finding a habitable planet would be like throwing a dart from the moon and hitting a target the size of an ant.
space is vast, but stars are bright. and any habitable planet will be orbiting a star.
of course they would be no particular reason to come to Earth since the only unique thing about Earth is it's biosphere. it's an unremarkable planet in most respects and there are almost certainly other planets with biospheres, we just haven't found one yet because we've had really good radio/optical telescopes for less than 100 years. we're just getting started on this stuff.
indeed. but the books make it out to be a lot more intentional and less random noise, i guess? it's less the planet and more the sun ringing like a dinner bell.
i also think dark forest theory is stupid, for what that's worth.
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i mean if the ayylmaos never learn of earth or learn of it but conclude it's not worth fricking around with the violent apes there, then there's no story. so i understand why it happens.
that thing i liked most about early The Expanse was that even tho there are ayylmaos from the first book, they are basically all dead, and all that's left is their works. It's really about humanity turning against itself, instead of this tired trope of an outside enemy bringing humanity together. Humanity has been at it's own throat since we dwelled in caves.
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i don't think you have anything to worry about, anon. no grand kumbaya moment can ever last, it's human nature to frick each other over for a percentage, and no amount of post-scarcity space communism can change that.
>the idea that radio waves would alert someone else of our presence is so moronic this is based off of some paper that talks about using the sun to amplify electromagnetic radiation. the book adds a bunch of fiction to the paper and basically they turn the sun into an amplifier for transmitting a message. if you google it you will find the original paper (but again its just an idea the author ran with, its fiction rooted in something witht he same theme)
being advanced in one way doesnt mean being advanced in others. the ayyys have some weird powers over crazy physics at a quantum scale, but they arent very advanced at a macro scale. thus, magic particles that can be sent to earth at light speed, but they themselves cannot physically travel at lightspeed or FTL to earth. the whole reason they are wiping out humanity is because it will take them 400 years to travel to earth and in that time, humanity may develop enough to pose a threat
they send AI robots called sophons first while their ships are getting ready ~400 years away. the sophons are designed to observe and report on any preparation humanity is doing, and sabotage any new physics advancements we try to make while their ships are in transit. humanity is basically stun-locked at our 2021 level of physics and can only develop new technology based on what we know now, i.e. better rockets and spaceships can be made, but new quantum technologies are impossible to develop due to the sophons interfering.
they investigate this in book one, and the reason given is that they are far too small to do any damage to the human body, since they are only just single protons in a quantum entanglement pair state controlled on the other side by the ayylmaos. they basically only exist to move around earth at lightspeed, observe us, and frick with our particle accelerator experiments. even if they directed the sophon to "attack" a human, it would only do the equivalent damage of a tiny blip on someone's skin, it doesn't have enough kinetic energy (mass) to do damage. plus, they are less concerned about killing us and more concerned about halting our progress until they arrive themselves (and easily kill us). they make it very clear that at our current level of technology, we would pose no threat to them even 400 years from now.
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Anonymous
What if that particle drives thru a combatants skull? Wouldnt that do massive damage?
4 months ago
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no, a single proton hitting you at near-light speed would be imperceptible and probably just pass right through you. not enough kinetic energy
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Wouldnt that displace some brain cells? Or hit my skin and cause ass cancer?
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Anonymous
>would a single particle displace a cell
a cell is huge compared to a particle.
it might displace a NEURON or two.
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anon, there are 10 billions atoms in a single neuron, one proton ain't shit. i suppose you could direct it to try to ram into someone's DNA strand in a cell a bunch of times and it might increase their risk of cancer 40 years down the line, but that's not much of a superweapon, is it? the sun is already doing that to all of us for free, 24/7.
Ok, last guess:
Some time-reality bending interdimensional stuff; somewhat like Interstellar? The villain is a Luddite/UNABOMBER
/Fanatic-like ?
negative, but good try. very little interdimensional/time travel frickery going on in the plot. it's pretty original and there's no cheesiness about love transcending time or any BS, it's all steeped in classical physics and philosophy problems with fictionalized narratives and solutions
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Anonymous
that's basically what cancer is. a bunch of particles get blasted into you and frick your shit up.
one particle won't do anything but a shitload will kill you, even if they're too small to cause bleeding or do tissue damage. then they are small enough to damage your DNA and blood.
Anti-human chinks with highschool grade angst contact aliens. Aliens say frick off we're bad motherfrickers we'll invade and destroy humanity. Chinks say good we're bug people without souls anyways, in fact we'll join you to help kill humans. And so they do, until the PLA finds out and fricks them up. They try to run, Americans team up with China and frick them up too. World is kind of fricked and is going to have to desperately throw itself into total war to get ready for the invasion which is coming in about 400 years because lol space.
Tldr the chinese ruin everything because of autistic rage.
I like Blad Runner, Cowboy Bebop, 2001 Space Odyssey and Ergo Proxy. Just give me something cool to latch on too.
Not what was it again? Liquify? That thing they do. And an army of people making a computer because you think you’re smart for knowing what a transistor is.
Wasn’t the big Villain a white person? The son of an oil Tycoon.
>ayy lmaos living in the alpha centauri 3 stars system >due to the system having 3 stars their planet weather is extremely chaotic >the ayy lmaos found earth >they sent some particles at the speed of light to frick with us, stopping our advances in key science field >while their war fleet is flying to earth at a much slower speed
Yes, they’re actually quite unstable too so you probably won’t ever find one out in the universe unless it’s a highly regular orbit. Any slight deviation by one of the stars would probably kick itself or one of the other ones out of the system then it devolves into a two body system, which is stable.
yeah, he was one of the bright spots of that adaptation
overall i didn't particularly care for it, don't feel like it showed me much i hadn't already gotten from reading the books
speaking of sci-fi novels...
if anyone watched and enjoyed the Netflix adaptation of Altered Carbon you need to read the novel's sequel "Broken Angels"
its absolute fricking kino and i would kill to see it adapted into a movie
Yeah i dont get it, wouldnt three bodies cause orbit to decay even faster than a two body system? So things will become more regular as time goes by and become less swingy?
reading the plot from the comments in this thread. holy shit, this is almost as bad as mithocondria planning an eon long vengeance against eukariotes in parasite eve. who the frick likes this slop? oh yeah right i'm on Cinemaphile, here everyone is moronic but me.
It's an Isaac Asimov-tier book, where the book is written for the exploration of scifi concepts and not the character drama. Most of the characters are dry and one-dimensional, but the ideas are interesting. This series is like the opposite of For All Mankind.
Trailer looks pretty good. They fit most of the exciting moments from the first book in there without giving enough context for the viewer to really figure things out.
Can't figure out who is supposed to be the main character since the Marvel guy is clearly Da Shi.
People are forgetting that almost everybody loved GoT when these showrunners still had books to rely on. They're not waiting on some fat lazy frick to give them the ending this time so I anticipate the show will be good.
Nice. It will be pozzed to shit because Netflix, but beggars and a that.... there's so little quality scifi nowadays.
Rhe books are overrated, but interesting because of the different cultural lens. The scifi ideas are good, but the execution is poor and the characters act in absurd ways sometimes that porbably seem normal to the Chinese. It doesn't deserve the praise it gets, but the show will be worth it for the several shocking reveal moments.
>Nice. It will be pozzed to shit because Netflix, but beggars and a that.... there's so little quality scifi nowadays.
I'm actually oddly excited to see the Chinese get the diversity treatment for once. Can't wait to see how they respond to (what I assume is) a primarily Chinese cast getting blackwashed.
I going try guessing the twist: humans create hyper-realistic virtual realities and get lost in it. This is the first contact with transhumans that maneged to escape theirs?
Incomparable. This has more high concept ideas. And things get considerably far out in books 2 and 3.
Which is the reason why I don't think D&D will actually finish this. Book 1 is fairly straight forward, and they can end it on a gay little cliffhanger that they can be content about. I'm actually looking forward to the chink version S2.
So the flickering of the cosmic microwave background radiation was done due to an unfolded Sophon surrounding the earth and adjusting its transparency right?
that's my only real complaint with the tencent version. it looked so cheap. like amateur youtubers first short cheap. chang has genshin money, fricking spend it.
She wasn't his gf, just a girl he was a bit obsessed with. Her only story purpose was to create a link to Ye Wenjie, so they could just change it to them being good friends at uni or something.
I'm aware of the novel's plot - isn't the Chinese setting and historical background *absolutely essential* to the narrative and themes? One of the main characters despising humanity because she grew up in the Cultural Revolution? Doesn't seem like you could just transfer that to a Western setting.
Only one character's backstory really, and she is still Chinese as seen in the trailer. The modern day story already involved governments and scientists from around the globe, so making the main characters come from different countries isn't THAT much of a stretch.
There were scenes of the cultural revolution in the trailer.
I would say that for an adaptation the only characters that absolutely MUST be Chinese are Ye Wenjie, her daughter, and Da Shi.
These arrangements of inappropriately chosen pop/rock songs where they strip out all emotion, lower the tempo, use flat female vocals, etc. are absolutely fricking awful. The fact that multiple people got paid for that is mindboggling. It also makes me not want to watch whatever it is.
does anyone else have an inexplicable burning hatred of aliens? the very idea of them infuriates me. i don’t even know if they exist, but if they did, i would want to punch or kick one of them.
stay out of our planet. you don’t belong here, in fact stay out of our solar system entirely.
I desperately want to have sex with the sexy blue alien girls I know are out there and who are craving sex with fat bald small penised middle age human men like me.
>Netflix
Just read the books
this.
that.
I can't read Chinese
Its translated into english
reading translated books is dumb. You're not reading the original author's prose, you're reading the cheapest translator the publisher could find who probably isn't even a native speaker who can't capture the intricacies and nuance of language
Look at this genius over here. He only reads native English books, what a smarty pants
"The cat is blue." Is still "The cat is blue." Its not like theyre translating some alien cypher with concepts we dont even have a word for
"Blue" in japanese can also mean "Green", just as an example to show how stupid you are.
They see it as the same color, we dont. Therefore we can use green or blue for their green/blue
Now translate a scene where the author is making a metaphor intentionally using the uncertainty of the actual color. If you think this sounds too weird, I can tell you right now that I've read a scene like that just yesterday, and I've seen the translations, all of which use extensive TL notes because they can't do it otherwise.
>Narrative works are just about transmitting factual statements and the actual prose is secondary
No
Based and 100% correct.
> reading translated books is dumb. You're not reading the original author's prose, you're reading the cheapest translator the publisher could find who probably isn't even a native speaker who can't capture the intricacies and nuance of language
In this case, the translator is a native speaker of both English and Chinese, as well as a well-known SF writer.
>In some cases, I tried to adjust the narrative techniques to ones that American readers are more familiar with.
This is exactly the kind of patronizing behavior that makes me hate most "translations".
I have never seen an "overly literal translation" throughout my entire life, and I speak 3 languages.
Yeah I'm a professional translator and I wanted to get into literary stuff but it's pointless. If you want to read a book, read it in its original language. Otherwise it's istening to a midi version of a Mozart symphony
Learn chinese
It's a novel of ideas, not about prose or even characters. Still, the translator is a native Chinese speaker and writes science fiction.
Actually the novel is about prose as well especially in the original Chinese version. However the translations are actually done pretty well so you still get some of that poetic and flowery prose.
It's science fiction, nobody gives a frick about prose, the content is the important thing, the ideas. Only literary morons care about prose.
Just frick off to Cinemaphile
The first book was trash and I'm not convinced the next two will have made that slog worth it.
The first one was hard enough to get through, I’ll just watch the show.
>books
you must be so boring.
tencent is better. frick this gay bri*ish noncery.
>tencent
shut the frick up
no
verification not required.
have a nice day Black person.
I gave up on the bugmen adaptation after a few episodes because of the excruciating pacing
stayed mostly true to the books, and the first book was that slow... so, understandable.
when they start using playing the vr game i lost interest. serious uncanny valley shit with the vr segments.
fair.
witnessed. how long does that go on? i can't imagine watching like 10 episodes of them playing the game...
The game is a small part of the book. They are three small to medium-length chapters that are intermittently spread.
not that long. he'll figure it out and then it's over.
it's only in the 1st book, and the purpose of the game within the overall plot has wrapped up well before the final act of the first book
Tencent owning reddit is why it became tyrannical in lockstep with Zuckerbot
no, that happened almost as soon as it came into existence
preddit's not my problem though so i don't care.
i hope zuck buttfricks bluesky and the fediverse while he's at it. he won't though because he's not even running meta anymore.
Is this a movie or a series
show i think
Given Netflix’s history, does that mean it’ll go 3 seasons and not conclude the story?
yes
>Netflix
No
>https://youtu.be/mog
>mog
oh yeah. it’s gonna be kino.
i love the books and watched the tencent production
this looks fricking AWFUL
>From the creators of game of thrones
don’t they mean “THE” 3 body problem? why is it named so stupidly and autistically?
name of the book, anon.
still waiting on tencent THE dark forest.
WORK FASTER, CHANG!
confucius say definite article not oriental enough
They took out the article with "game of thrones" instead of "a game..." as well. D&D are fricking hacks.
>crime
>sci-fi
>le heckin climate sciencerinos are le dead
yeah, three strikes and you are out
looks like trash for manchildren that rehashes 10 other movies in one big bloat
the intrigue from the opening is supposed to be the top scientists of their field across the planet are killing themselves and no one can figure out why
THIS LOOKS LIKE FRICKING SHIT
i cant believe they used the marvel guy for the inspector...
the book is great
as this anon:
mentions, strange shit happens to special scientists at the beginning
i think it'll flop and canceled but it should be 3 seasons = 3 books
Can someone please just sum up the entire story for me? Not going to watch israeliteflix or read a chink novel but interested nevertheless .
bascially stephen hawking's warning that we should pray we never make contact with aliens because it would go very very badly for us
Just read the plot summary here but the books are really good and epic in scale:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three-Body_Problem_(novel)
Whats the writing style like?
It's translated from Chinese, but it reads pretty well and has an old school sci-fi feel to it with brief and realistic descriptions of the settings and characters. The narrator is a distant/removed observer, with a heavy focus on potential solutions to classical mechanics/physics problems (the book title) and philosophical answers to questions involving alien life.
I liked it, the dialogue is a bit autistic and sometimes you feel like the author is getting too hung up on a seemingly tangential part of the story, but everything ends up mattering later on (without getting into any spoilers). For the amount of hard sci-fi elements to it, you wouldn't expect good storytelling twists, but there are plenty of them and they drive the entire narrative. The first book has elements of a realistic, murder mystery thriller while you are trying to figure out wtf is going on, and the second book elevates the stakes from the end of the first book and cranks everything up a notch on the sci-fi levels and it gets fun and wacky really fast.
Any differences with the non-ken liu translator?
some people are autistic about the 2nd book (joel martinsen) reading differently than the 1st and 3rd ones (ken liu) but to be honest i didn't even know it was a different translator until i looked it up halfway through. i might just be a pea brain, but it didn't bother me at all and the 2nd book was my favorite in many ways
Thanks anon gonna pick up the books today
enjoy anon
>It's translated from Chinese,
So, the moral is Communism good, capitalism bad?
the communists are bad guys in the show
of course the star government is communist but china does not suppress knowledge of their ultracommunist past. the thing they are concerned about is tianenmen square, a couple of pro-democracy people, and criticism of the Party.
>does not suppress knowledge of their ultracommunist past.
> the thing they are concerned about is tianenmen square, a couple of pro-democracy people, and criticism of the Party.
>ultracommunist
>past.
>ultra
>communist
yeah their traditional soviet-style communism. the thing that didn't work for them. the thing that doesn't work for russia.
what they have now is still communist, but it's a different beast. however, real data on china is hard to come by, because they absolutely do not let the world know the real numbers.
they're a weird blend of capitalism and communism now. real freedom is still sharply curtailed, but a high standard of living is possible if you have the cash.
>they're a weird blend of capitalism and communism now. real freedom is still sharply curtailed, but a high standard of living is possible if you have the cash.
that's because communism is impossible
it'll always be like china and soviet russia: a dictatorship with some perverted form of capitalism
it will always be a horrible means to an utopia
surprisingly no, and the author was highly critical of the cultural revolution as a whole. he definitely does not paint it or the bugmen takeover of natural resources and killing of intellectuals as a "good thing." i thought he might get in trouble for some of the stories in it, but i guess he got away with it because it's fiction, idk. it's fairly critical of USA foreign policy though, with a stereotypical hardline american bureaucrat character in book 2, but i just thought that part was funny.
How the FRICK did this get published?
it's not critical of the CCP, President Xi, and it doesn't bring up any forbidden topics.
a fricking cop and some military brass are good guys in this lol. the MCs company is a state company, the communists own him, he just runs things there.
CCP is deeply antithetical to freedom but there is more than one way to live as a human. Still I'm glad to be American.
Name one hollywood movie where the military are the bad guys
The Abyss
Avatar
They Live
this had some sense when it was Pocahontas, in spite of natives slaving and being genocidal with each-other
but in no fricking way I'll be rooting for a aliens killing humans
but the humans are aggressors and the natives just want them to leave
in no fricking way I'll be rooting for aliens killing humans
You might if, like the book, the humans were all Chinese.
The Creator
He didnd't check older interviews and see the difference Pooh definitely paid his family a visit
I dunno about that, the prologue is literally about the main character watching Chinese university professors, including her father, being executed for teaching physics concepts named after westerners by insane, brainwashed communist teenagers.
No, the book paints them not in a good light. And the tencent series omits some serious good stuff with payoff. Which is the main reason I'm interested in seeing this... I don't think D&D have the same limitations, at least.
>ahaahah your show sucks
Possibly, but the story itself is good regardless
Pretty bad. I’ve read a ton of sci fi over the years since I was a kid and personally it ranks pretty low for me. The ideas were decent enough but I don’t think the translation to English worked out very well.
Do you know what the Dark Forest hypothesis is?
It's that + aliens and humans engage in espionage via theoretical physics.
Thats very moronic
slowing down the speed of light into planetary death traps is moronic? okay, but how would you feel if you DIDN'T have breakfast this morning?
You should read the first two books at least. They’re excellent. The gist of it
>Chinese woman in the 70s makes contact with aliens who live on a nearby planet in a binary star system and have chaotic, unpredictable solar patterns that hampers their lives
>she basically invites the aliens to earth, knowing they’ll conquer and kill us because she’s disillusioned with the Chinese communist revolution
>aliens don’t have light speed travel yet. It will take them 400+ years to reach earth
>due to the chaotic nature of their planet it has taken them hundreds of millions of years to go from cavemen to industrialized to space faring
>they realize humans are advancing through the milestones of civilization and science many times faster than they did
>by the time they reach earth in 440 years, humans might be more advanced and conquer them
>aliens send 9-dimensional AI bots called sophons that are the size of a proton to earth to frick up all advanced physics experiments and handicap human scientific development
>tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
>human cop and scientist investigate the sucides and find a VR game called three body which is designed to solve the chaotic nature of the aliens home planet being in a binary star system
>in the end they determine it cannot be solved and the alien planet is doomed to be forever chaotic with unpredictable weather, gravity, and frequent catastrophic solar/weather events
That’s all I remember from the first book. There’s some other shit about groups on earth who support the aliens and shit but that’s the bulk of the plot. The 2nd book is the best of the series.
*trinary system anon
(THREE body problem)
Proxima Centauri is a binary star system bud. Two stars and a planet. Three bodies.
their homeworld is literally called Trisolaris bro. Binary star systems are not chaotic.
The 3rd star is a red dwarf that has almost zero affect
>red dwarf
You with sunburn
smegheads
Alpha centauri*
Proxima is the red dwarf
>tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
lol bugman mentality
>tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
This is really funny, so being Darwinian atheists wasn't enough to drive them crazy but the existence of alien robots does?
The other poster kind of got it wrong.
The scientists don't know about the alien robots. All they know is that one day, randomly, all particle physics experiments became irreproducible. Their entire lives work became stuck in mud for no reason and would never move forward. The "physics is a lie" insanity was probably it for some of them but that is the main reason.
you're replying to a troll
What
>aliens don’t have light speed travel yet. It will take them 400+ years to reach earth
>due to the chaotic nature of their planet it has taken them hundreds of millions of years to go from cavemen to industrialized to space faring
>they realize humans are advancing through the milestones of civilization and science many times faster than they did
>by the time they reach earth in 440 years, humans might be more advanced and conquer them
Cool
>aliens send 9-dimensional AI bots called sophons that are the size of a proton to earth to frick up all advanced physics experiments and handicap human scientific development
Ok
>tons of scientists commit suicide because the sophons make them believe physics is all a lie and drives them insane
moronic
>human cop and scientist investigate the sucides and find a VR game
Gay, pass
fwiw, that anon gave a horrible synopsis and the vr game is like 5% of one book in a three book series. it's an afterthought by the beginning of book 2
I only read the first book. Very kitschy sci-fi trash that feels like anime in a bad way if you get what I mean.
The characters are very shallow, there’s nothing interesting in the sci-fi or aesthetic departement and some whacky bollywood shenanigans happen.
I don’t know what midwits see in this. The absolute state of modern sci-fi.
Your just to smart for sci fi
Must suck being a cynical homosexual who has to shit on everything people enjoy
More like too moronic
first book is doofy, to be sure.
second book is dark as frick and also the best.
third book is weird but it works.
Define dark
like 95% human extinction dark, and all the remnants have to live in a human zoo that is australia dark
The 2nd book does an amazing job of creating a sense of dread about humanity being fricked. It’s really good
The third book is super dooper dark. Like, the cosmos is a rotting corpse level dark. Basically Lovecraft without the tentacles.
The Doomsday Battle in book 2 was one of my all time favorite scenes from a book
I liked the first and dropped the second around the beginning because I didn't care about the dude who fell in love with the imaginative waifu, so it gets better?
yeah, it gets really fricking good. the waifu thing stops after a couple chapters and ends up going a different direction than you expect, then it goes back to cool humanity doomsday prepping at a large scale with each Wall Facer having his own plan executed
the imaginary waifu chapter was awesome
you are tasteless
>ayy lmao's discover us
>decide to wipe us out before we wipe them out
>they send an ai to frick with humnity
>no actual contact between humanity and ayys takes place
extremely advanced aliens live on a planet with a chaotic trinary star system. this system makes the planet experience non-repeating, chaotic cycles of heat and cold, preventing the aliens from building a long lasting civilization. a researcher from earth sends radio signals out into space using an advanced method and the aliens receive it. they realize that earth is 'relatively' close and an ideal paradise compared to their planet. they begin a plan of espionage and subversion with the long term goal of occupying the planet and eradicating humanity
Ill take that over n----rs anyday
the idea that radio waves would alert someone else of our presence is so moronic.
doesnt this advanced civilization have deep space telescopes? the fact that earth is and was habitable for hundreds of millions of years cant be hidden.
if it had any value for some alien colonizer, then they wouldve already arrived aeons ago
space is vast. finding a habitable planet would be like throwing a dart from the moon and hitting a target the size of an ant.
UNLESS
some crazy bugmen use gravitational lensing and throw a signal out into space all willy nilly.
congratulations, now your sun flashes like a neon sign that says ALL YOU CAN EAT DICK BUFFET COME AND GET IT.
>space is vast. finding a habitable planet would be like throwing a dart from the moon and hitting a target the size of an ant.
space is vast, but stars are bright. and any habitable planet will be orbiting a star.
of course they would be no particular reason to come to Earth since the only unique thing about Earth is it's biosphere. it's an unremarkable planet in most respects and there are almost certainly other planets with biospheres, we just haven't found one yet because we've had really good radio/optical telescopes for less than 100 years. we're just getting started on this stuff.
indeed. but the books make it out to be a lot more intentional and less random noise, i guess? it's less the planet and more the sun ringing like a dinner bell.
i also think dark forest theory is stupid, for what that's worth.
i mean if the ayylmaos never learn of earth or learn of it but conclude it's not worth fricking around with the violent apes there, then there's no story. so i understand why it happens.
that thing i liked most about early The Expanse was that even tho there are ayylmaos from the first book, they are basically all dead, and all that's left is their works. It's really about humanity turning against itself, instead of this tired trope of an outside enemy bringing humanity together. Humanity has been at it's own throat since we dwelled in caves.
i don't think you have anything to worry about, anon. no grand kumbaya moment can ever last, it's human nature to frick each other over for a percentage, and no amount of post-scarcity space communism can change that.
>the idea that radio waves would alert someone else of our presence is so moronic
this is based off of some paper that talks about using the sun to amplify electromagnetic radiation. the book adds a bunch of fiction to the paper and basically they turn the sun into an amplifier for transmitting a message. if you google it you will find the original paper (but again its just an idea the author ran with, its fiction rooted in something witht he same theme)
>advanced aliens
>has to send a fricking AI instead of themselves
????
being advanced in one way doesnt mean being advanced in others. the ayyys have some weird powers over crazy physics at a quantum scale, but they arent very advanced at a macro scale. thus, magic particles that can be sent to earth at light speed, but they themselves cannot physically travel at lightspeed or FTL to earth. the whole reason they are wiping out humanity is because it will take them 400 years to travel to earth and in that time, humanity may develop enough to pose a threat
they send AI robots called sophons first while their ships are getting ready ~400 years away. the sophons are designed to observe and report on any preparation humanity is doing, and sabotage any new physics advancements we try to make while their ships are in transit. humanity is basically stun-locked at our 2021 level of physics and can only develop new technology based on what we know now, i.e. better rockets and spaceships can be made, but new quantum technologies are impossible to develop due to the sophons interfering.
If they have that kind of technology why not just get the sophons to mass murder humanity outright?
they investigate this in book one, and the reason given is that they are far too small to do any damage to the human body, since they are only just single protons in a quantum entanglement pair state controlled on the other side by the ayylmaos. they basically only exist to move around earth at lightspeed, observe us, and frick with our particle accelerator experiments. even if they directed the sophon to "attack" a human, it would only do the equivalent damage of a tiny blip on someone's skin, it doesn't have enough kinetic energy (mass) to do damage. plus, they are less concerned about killing us and more concerned about halting our progress until they arrive themselves (and easily kill us). they make it very clear that at our current level of technology, we would pose no threat to them even 400 years from now.
What if that particle drives thru a combatants skull? Wouldnt that do massive damage?
no, a single proton hitting you at near-light speed would be imperceptible and probably just pass right through you. not enough kinetic energy
Wouldnt that displace some brain cells? Or hit my skin and cause ass cancer?
>would a single particle displace a cell
a cell is huge compared to a particle.
it might displace a NEURON or two.
anon, there are 10 billions atoms in a single neuron, one proton ain't shit. i suppose you could direct it to try to ram into someone's DNA strand in a cell a bunch of times and it might increase their risk of cancer 40 years down the line, but that's not much of a superweapon, is it? the sun is already doing that to all of us for free, 24/7.
negative, but good try. very little interdimensional/time travel frickery going on in the plot. it's pretty original and there's no cheesiness about love transcending time or any BS, it's all steeped in classical physics and philosophy problems with fictionalized narratives and solutions
that's basically what cancer is. a bunch of particles get blasted into you and frick your shit up.
one particle won't do anything but a shitload will kill you, even if they're too small to cause bleeding or do tissue damage. then they are small enough to damage your DNA and blood.
i'd suggest you read the books because holy shit i'm tired of spoiling every little plot point.
Anti-human chinks with highschool grade angst contact aliens. Aliens say frick off we're bad motherfrickers we'll invade and destroy humanity. Chinks say good we're bug people without souls anyways, in fact we'll join you to help kill humans. And so they do, until the PLA finds out and fricks them up. They try to run, Americans team up with China and frick them up too. World is kind of fricked and is going to have to desperately throw itself into total war to get ready for the invasion which is coming in about 400 years because lol space.
Tldr the chinese ruin everything because of autistic rage.
I like Blad Runner, Cowboy Bebop, 2001 Space Odyssey and Ergo Proxy. Just give me something cool to latch on too.
Not what was it again? Liquify? That thing they do. And an army of people making a computer because you think you’re smart for knowing what a transistor is.
Wasn’t the big Villain a white person? The son of an oil Tycoon.
Roastie destroys the world in her moronation
>ayy lmaos living in the alpha centauri 3 stars system
>due to the system having 3 stars their planet weather is extremely chaotic
>the ayy lmaos found earth
>they sent some particles at the speed of light to frick with us, stopping our advances in key science field
>while their war fleet is flying to earth at a much slower speed
Would 3 bodies be that chaotic?
yeah
There's no way the alpha centauri stars hit eachother
Have they tested this hypothesis on actual particles and planetary bodies?
Yes, they’re actually quite unstable too so you probably won’t ever find one out in the universe unless it’s a highly regular orbit. Any slight deviation by one of the stars would probably kick itself or one of the other ones out of the system then it devolves into a two body system, which is stable.
Potentially, but the Alpha Centauri triple star system actually does have planets and their orbits aren't super chaotic like that.
woman moment dooms humanity
physics are a lie
3d world is a farce
It's hard sci fi Gurren Lagann.
>It's hard sci fi Gurren Lagann.
this lol
I wonder how they are going to deal with the later books since a woman fricks up the whole of humanity and the universe...twice
they won't. it'll be SARS... both times.
She looks smart
>from the creators of game of thrones
is this supposed to be a selling point?
this looks terrible. could just be a misleading trailer but they've completely botched da shi if this is representative
Da Shi in the tencent show was excellent. Best character by far
yeah, he was one of the bright spots of that adaptation
overall i didn't particularly care for it, don't feel like it showed me much i hadn't already gotten from reading the books
yeah
da shi was the cop? if so, yes.
Should I be excited? Why are women always the main characters.
Why do they always hash old songs?
speaking of sci-fi novels...
if anyone watched and enjoyed the Netflix adaptation of Altered Carbon you need to read the novel's sequel "Broken Angels"
its absolute fricking kino and i would kill to see it adapted into a movie
Enjoyed which part?
Season 1 was alright.
Season 2 was absolute shit.
netflix abandoned the second novel for le stronk womyn plot
i will never forgive them
in what world this looks bad? I'll tell you. In a chud world
I dont get the premise of the novels. Earth has three bodies as well, earth + moon + sun
So why isnt our shit chaotic?
The sun is too big that all the other planets pulll is neglegible. It’s only 3 bodies when they are all similar in size.
Yeah i dont get it, wouldnt three bodies cause orbit to decay even faster than a two body system? So things will become more regular as time goes by and become less swingy?
>three body problem? You called. we came.
>The 3 Black Bodies Problem
Cool, I'm never gonna watch it.
Is deaths end good?
it's weird. i liked it.
It lost me on the ancient prostitute chapters
>hiring a fat mongolian to play da shi and not this
I liked it except for literally the very end.
but not as good as the first 2 books.
reading the plot from the comments in this thread. holy shit, this is almost as bad as mithocondria planning an eon long vengeance against eukariotes in parasite eve. who the frick likes this slop? oh yeah right i'm on Cinemaphile, here everyone is moronic but me.
>mithocondria planning an eon long vengeance against eukariotes in parasite eve
Considering organelles used to be seperate single cell organisms it makes sense
It's an Isaac Asimov-tier book, where the book is written for the exploration of scifi concepts and not the character drama. Most of the characters are dry and one-dimensional, but the ideas are interesting. This series is like the opposite of For All Mankind.
But what's a scifi with a 'good plot' to you?
For me its neuromancer, dune, and fahrenheit 451
can sci-fi media stop using these meme radiohead songs?
Trailer looks pretty good. They fit most of the exciting moments from the first book in there without giving enough context for the viewer to really figure things out.
Can't figure out who is supposed to be the main character since the Marvel guy is clearly Da Shi.
People are forgetting that almost everybody loved GoT when these showrunners still had books to rely on. They're not waiting on some fat lazy frick to give them the ending this time so I anticipate the show will be good.
>showrunners had books to rely on
showrunners HAVE books to rely on and they're STILL writing fanfiction.
You've seen the show already? And no, race swapping some characters does not make it fanfiction.
yes, yes i have. this is the nonce version for western audiences.
ah yes the "women fricked everything up and men have to fix it" series
They almost certainly changed that now that it's an American adaptation
Why didnt they get a guy that looks lkke this to play the MC btos
Its a scifi thriller not a porno
what a horrific thumbnail wtfffffff
>netflix
Nice. It will be pozzed to shit because Netflix, but beggars and a that.... there's so little quality scifi nowadays.
Rhe books are overrated, but interesting because of the different cultural lens. The scifi ideas are good, but the execution is poor and the characters act in absurd ways sometimes that porbably seem normal to the Chinese. It doesn't deserve the praise it gets, but the show will be worth it for the several shocking reveal moments.
2 > 1 > 3
>Nice. It will be pozzed to shit because Netflix, but beggars and a that.... there's so little quality scifi nowadays.
I'm actually oddly excited to see the Chinese get the diversity treatment for once. Can't wait to see how they respond to (what I assume is) a primarily Chinese cast getting blackwashed.
Setting it in the UK is a odd choice considering UK cut itself off from the science community with Brexit.
I going try guessing the twist: humans create hyper-realistic virtual realities and get lost in it. This is the first contact with transhumans that maneged to escape theirs?
no. good guess but not even close
Ok, last guess:
Some time-reality bending interdimensional stuff; somewhat like Interstellar? The villain is a Luddite/UNABOMBER
/Fanatic-like ?
Nowhere close. Read the book or watch the show, there's a bunch of good twists and a pretty compelling sci-fi plot. And it's short.
Maybe I'll read the plot summary when it's cancelled due to people dropping it because Netflix shoved too much propaganda
there's gonna be some many simulation theory copes lmao
i thought it was going to be that when they show how easily scientific constants are broken.
looks like a pointless cgi fest. hope it flops hard.
I thought a tv series was out years ago
Was it not?
>netflix
>got's d&d
>chink shit
>multiracial globohomosexual story
I dont know bros, this could be a hit
Will it be better or worse than Ender's Game?
worse. enders game has some action.
Three body problem is hard scifi with talk talk talk talk talktalktalk and lots of inter-human drama
Incomparable. This has more high concept ideas. And things get considerably far out in books 2 and 3.
Which is the reason why I don't think D&D will actually finish this. Book 1 is fairly straight forward, and they can end it on a gay little cliffhanger that they can be content about. I'm actually looking forward to the chink version S2.
>soulless chink novels adapted by Dabid
might still watch it because Eiza González is hot tbh
The Three Body Problem trilogy is my favorite sci fi of all time. Even if this Netflix adaptation is shit I am still gonna watch it.
i laughed when i saw this
reasonably speaking, why wouldn't this work?
Nice boat
>woman scientist
>asian scientist
>black guy scientist
>"they're going after our best and brightest"
>sold after one minute
>available in march
frick off
Iconic
shes so fricking hot
this is the third or forth time i've seen those ugly fricking shoes.
Damn she looks pretty tight
Nah, you can tell shit is c**ty as frick and she’s past her prime for sure.
>tattoo
pass
add her to the skeleton collection, moronic b***hes fricking up their faces with unnecessary plastic surgery will never not be funny
There are like 20 different iterations of this IP, I'm not getting into it until someone makes a guide.
When does it release?
Why not adapt a good book instead...
Vampires
IN
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
autismo vampires in space*
So the flickering of the cosmic microwave background radiation was done due to an unfolded Sophon surrounding the earth and adjusting its transparency right?
yes
that's my only real complaint with the tencent version. it looked so cheap. like amateur youtubers first short cheap. chang has genshin money, fricking spend it.
>black guy
Its a no for me
Why were the trisolarans so against nanifibre research and what would’ve happened at the end of the countdown if they didn’t stop the research?
>netflix
don't care
already watched the chinese version
more like the 3 people problem. get it? because only 3 people are watching it. ahaahah your show sucks
Will they change woman ruins everything, Man fixes it?
I mean they already changed the male scientist of the first book to a female so yeah probably.
If that's true it means they're making "her" a lesbian or they're retconning the dead gf into a dead bf,
She wasn't his gf, just a girl he was a bit obsessed with. Her only story purpose was to create a link to Ye Wenjie, so they could just change it to them being good friends at uni or something.
they abandoned GoT for this diversity slop
Grrm abandoned Got
Actually they did it for Star Wars
this
but then Disney rugpulled them because they just wanted GoT out of the way for when they launched Disney+
right, and now they're here
how do you like them apples
the fat frick abandoned GoT
oh well
I'm aware of the novel's plot - isn't the Chinese setting and historical background *absolutely essential* to the narrative and themes? One of the main characters despising humanity because she grew up in the Cultural Revolution? Doesn't seem like you could just transfer that to a Western setting.
Only one character's backstory really, and she is still Chinese as seen in the trailer. The modern day story already involved governments and scientists from around the globe, so making the main characters come from different countries isn't THAT much of a stretch.
There were scenes of the cultural revolution in the trailer.
I would say that for an adaptation the only characters that absolutely MUST be Chinese are Ye Wenjie, her daughter, and Da Shi.
>BMWF
not watching it
looks more like BMLF though
>from the creators of game of thrones
No thanks
Looks better than I thought it would. Never read the books though.
I've no idea what this show is supposed to be about after watching the trailer.
These arrangements of inappropriately chosen pop/rock songs where they strip out all emotion, lower the tempo, use flat female vocals, etc. are absolutely fricking awful. The fact that multiple people got paid for that is mindboggling. It also makes me not want to watch whatever it is.
They've been doing this shit on trailers for like 10 years now and if I could find whoever first started this idea and throttle them, I would.
too many asians
How did such a pessimistic story become so relatively popular?
Interesting sci-fi concept that no one else has done before
What's all that shit at the end with ancient Chinese people and horses on fire?
not interested in chinese misery shit
does anyone else have an inexplicable burning hatred of aliens? the very idea of them infuriates me. i don’t even know if they exist, but if they did, i would want to punch or kick one of them.
stay out of our planet. you don’t belong here, in fact stay out of our solar system entirely.
I desperately want to have sex with the sexy blue alien girls I know are out there and who are craving sex with fat bald small penised middle age human men like me.