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billions must die
was getting killed by ayylmao agent snood really the end for dr ye?
Yeah. Once she has her graveyard conversation with the dude weed lmao black guy there's nothing left for her to do in the story.
In the books she just jumps off the cliffs.
Her going there to look at sunset is the ending of the first novel.
But in the book she's more one dimensional and completely fine with humanity getting wiped so there's no real romanticizing her end. She just thinks "all is good" and jumps.
The assassin girl in the show is basically a composite of two separate characters from the second book.
I am sorry to report that her actress is a genuine autist
she cute
which character in chinese version is this?
she cute
She's just the rando who kills Ye Wenjie's dad.
>She's just the rando who kills Ye Wenjie's dad.
Shown to be yet another moronic bug that would rather crush rocks with its 1 remaining hand than admit it's a stupid dumb WRONG bug.
She was trying to prove how revolutionary she was to her fellow kids.
I'm not woke or anything, and loved the books but after seeing this adaptation, consider the following:
>a woman's a woman moment causes another woman to have a woman moment that fricks over the world
now if you've read the books:
after men did the impossible and actually checkmated the 10,000 year advanced ayylmaos, a woman moment fricks everything over again causing the death of humanity
I think this book might be sexist
I smell stinky rotting fish
you have to stop thinking in terms of men vs women, one character is male, another is female. you can't extrapolate faults of a character to the whole sex. by your logic all media should genderswitch characters until it's perfect equilibrium where male and female characters are in equal proportion in the right
well written women frick things up because women are moronic, simple as.
>a book where women frick up and has to be saved by men
>no it's not sexist, they're complex characters, you shouldn't simplify based on gender!
okay fair
>it happens twice
once is a thing, two is a coincidence am I right?
>it happens a third time, but this time the frick up is so big, men can't save it
hmm,
You know how it's incredibly hard for people to see fault in their actions/thoughts/person? Think about that for a long time and what it means for your way of thinking with regards to large groups of people, regardless of delineation.
Anyone over 100 IQ has a superego and sees faults in themselves
you're not one of them if that's your response to that.
wow you really don’t understand
I'm stupid as frick and see a ton of my faults though.
Once the San-Ti learned how to emotionally manipulate humans it was over anyway
If you read all the way to the end of the third book you know that on a grand cosmic scale the woman was right, the men are collapsing the universe into a one dimensional heat death with their moronic dark forest zero sum games
Also Sophon is a woman
are the books really so stupid?
the show is unwatchable after the first few episodes, if its getting even worse later on in the books, i wont even bother to read them.
Not really. The character's gender is irrelevant
brad pitt is an executive producer of this.
So is Rian Johnson
She cute. I'd let her beat my dad and force my mother to testify against him.
>scary communist in public
>submissive wiener slave in private
>First Name: Xi Ya
>Family Name: Lan
>Native name: 兰西雅
>Also Known as: 蘭西雅, Lancia Lan
>Nationality: Chinese
>Gender: Female
>Born: December 22, 1998
>Age: 25
What the frick, people born in 1998 are 25 now? Where the hell did the time go?
I was born in 1998 and I'm 26
>beating boomers to death
it's understandable really
>it's understandable really
Dark Forest theory only works if you have the contrivance that it's possible to wipe out your enemy with absolute certainty that they have NO second strike capability lurking in deep space; otherwise you're just setting yourself up to get nuked later on and also making third party observers view you as a threat.
Of course, not sharing data with the Trisolarans made sense because of the tech gap and the fact that they had conquest in mind. But it still begs the question of why such an advanced race couldn't just live in O'Neill cylinders further away from their stars.
Of course, from my discussions with wumao on /k/, I'm pretty sure Chinese people don't actually understand the concept of second strike capability, since any discussion of hypothetical war between America and China escalates to "we'll just nuke America!" with no comprehension of how that would lead to China getting nuked right back.
anon, the whole point of Dark Forest is you don't know where people are. Space is so fricking big your best guess to second strike is "a random direction".
Look up theories of realistic space battles. It will be akin to a game of battleship, guessing which square has targets.
If you do a first strike, you've revealed the first strike's point of origin, because your attack can be tracked from where it began. Maybe your target is too primitive to track it - but any advanced third-party observers are going to see that shit and annihilate you. Even if they can't locate the exact point of origin, they will have enough information to know where to look in general and will begin scouting you out and eventually get rid of you because you're uncivilized and belligerent and the galactic community doesn't want such species around.
So yes, if you do a first strike, you're signing your own death warrant. Accordingly, nobody's going to do first strikes, and that means advanced species won't be afraid of revealing their location to others and seeking out diplomatic and commercial relationships - because they all know that anyone stupid enough to ape out will be annihilated, and anyone smart enough to reach a technological state where they could destroy enemy worlds will be smart enough to figure that out and thus not ape out.
Anon, you're thinking too small. Because space is so huge that there can't be a certain point. The "first strike" is literally blowing up suns/folding space/ summoning a black hole in the area.
You do not "second strike", and if you do first strike in such a scenario, you better be sure as shit there isn't a second one. Unless you're dumb enough to not be sure.
are you that C.S. Lewis fricker in the 3body threads that keeps chimping out because they can't comprehend Dark Forest Theory?
>Because space is so huge that there can't be a certain point.
Black person, if people are targeting star systems in particular that's a clue that they themselves consider star systems very important and therefore live in one, so worst case scenario you send out stealth probes to every star system: if it's inhabited by a species that's advanced but hasn't made contact with the wider community, they're a suspect, and you & the rest of the galactic community investigate them and destroy them if the weapon used appears to match the weapon they have.
>don't want to reveal you exist in the dark forest
>send scouts to show other civilizations you exist in the dark forest
How the frick is the concept of "I just want people to leave me alone since I have everything I need in my system and meeting others has no benefit" so hard to understand?
My personal idea is to send AI probes with good sensors and with no identifiable markings, and just park them on some asteroids/planetoids n shit in star systems.
If one or more detects that a high-energy weapon is pointed/fired at your direction or a fleet is amassing, etc., one or more probes split and detonate themselves in a specific sequence of blasts that is detectable by instruments on your own star system.
So whatever a bad guy does, you'll detect it at the speed of light so you have a good chance to defend against it and/or prepare a counterattack.
If the latter is a known fact by the would-be bad guys, it'll act as reasonable deterrence.
because a single system's resources will eventually be used up anon.
if you're not living in a self sufficient way that you aren't able to take advantage of the first law of thermodynamics, you'll probably want to conquer more planets no? So the element of surprise is a must - why reveal your location?
There's a difference between revealing your location and sending out scouting drones.
Speed of light is way too fricking slow for that. it would take forever to even reach a system to "investigate" the species there. By the time you reach them their technology might be entirely different anyway. Then your report needs to get back. By then the guilty parties are long dead and the civ there might even be a different one.
In the books, the major point that prevents "normal" civilizing forces from working is relativity.
Anon...there would never BE an intergalactic community in the Dark Forest theory because if you exist you are dead upon detection in your attempt to communicate. Whoever is first fears the threat of FTL technology making their planet blink out of existence without any defense whatsoever as far as we know and simply kills you before you can hurl anything at relativistic or FTL speeds at them first.
DFT is countered by multiple-starsystem civilizations, you can't just alpha strike all that shit at once, you're risking your own psychotic ass in a massive retaliation.
And (except for settings like the books) nothing suggests that space is densely packed with civilizations that would encounter each other before settling multiple starsystems.
Also as soon as an alliance DOES arise, god forbid start a policing campaign then aggressive species would be filtered hard by the community/regime.
It would just expand since many species would be wise to join just to secure their existence, with much better prospects for the future than just hiding in a ditch in the forest and hoping to not get seen forever.
>you can't just alpha strike all that shit at once, you're risking your own psychotic ass in a massive retaliation
You can, and there would be no retaliation. You're thinking in terms of magic sci-fi sensors and the like. There's no way to know what is coming and to respond in time when it comes to exchanges of relativistic or FTL weaponry. You're thinking of terms of magic, not reality. There would be no scientific way to accurately predict where it came from, not to mention it could be launched from ANYWHERE, if it can launch something at that speed it can launch the launcher at that speed to position it 8 galaxies away from the galaxy they are in.
So you don't know where it came from, and if you could trace it then you wouldn't have any idea where it come still.
Relativistic and FTL is not something you can predict and defend against, which is what makes it so scary. Imagine everyone on planet Earth has a way to kill everyone else. In secret at any time. With no way to know who killed who.
Welcome to the Dark Forest.
Oh, and I would kill you btw.
I choose to ignore FTL for now, we don't know by what method that'd work and it would frick with all practical considerations.
Masses of small cheap scout probes can be spread out in as many star systems as you want to bother with,
It'd be extremely hard to hunt down all of them and remember, kinetic kill vehicles require MASSIVE amounts of energy by definition, detecting them is orders of magnitude easier than the probes.
Constructing, or hauling all the required shit in a ship big enough for it into interstellar darkspace? It's like a (moving) lighthouse beacon in a clear night.
A probe can just self-destruct in a series of blasts that signal a code that warns you about a launch or just construction in a suspicious location, the signal is easily relayed by more probes and it's a lightspeed signal, much faster than the object you need to accelerate up to relativistic speeds, giving plenty of time to prepare.
Welcome to detection in space.
Nah I'd win
You don't need a kinetic kill vehicle to wipe out all humans or the earth.
True, but you'd need to give me an example to see how viable it is against a target that has comparable tech level.
Nuclear or biological weapons can be survived simply by deep underground or deep sea habitats. Also they would generally be much slower than a KKV, so easier to intercept.
A Death Star-like beam weapon maybe?
A massive red flag construction that will be visible to your entire stellar neighborhood.
>Masses of small cheap scout probes can be spread out in as many star systems as you want to bother with,
Anon, they wouldn't be able to communicate with you in real time. You're thinking in terms of magic again.
>kinetic kill vehicles require MASSIVE amounts of energy by definition, detecting them is orders of magnitude easier than the probes.
Again...you can't detect those in real time...it would take you thousands of years for the information to reach the spot where your planet used to be.
>Constructing, or hauling all the required shit in a ship big enough for it into interstellar darkspace? It's like a (moving) lighthouse beacon in a clear night.
It's not, you literally saw one way to do it in Three Body. And the projectile need only be around the size of a penny.
And you're saying you can have magic undetectable probes with AI working independently...then they would have magic undetectable AI probes to counter your probes.
You still die.
I specifically stated that the probes simply self-destruct in a specific blast sequence to form a high power code signal, no magic or even high tech involved so your first two points are not relevant.
We are talking about multiple star systems here, the lightspeed signal would arrive years/decades before the projectile.
...Unless you have closely surrounded the enemy's every star system with superpowered launch platforms all of which got undetected somehow throughout hundreds of years of travel (+construction). Remember, planet-surface-wiping amounts of power to accelerate the thing, that's not a small project.
The AI doesn't need to be very advanced, they just react to specific stimuli with specific signals.
And since detection of weapons can be done at much longer distances than of the probes, the probes would always be at an advantage, even if you build a high number of counters -(mobile) active detection-, the space of operation of the spread out scouts with passive sensors is much, much larger, needle in a haystack doesn't even begin to describe it.
Plus you can have a lot of them on distant orbital or interstellar travel paths, no engines on, passive sensors only until they detect something.
In TBP, the photoid is so much more advanced than the tech of either of the main species of the books that it's not a fair comparison, we must assume a roughly similar tech level otherwise it just skews possibilities towards either side heavily.
Not bad, you almost made me use 2% of my nerd theorizing power
>relativistic speeds... plenty of time
Okay, let me explain fricking relativity.
Suppose you have a 2 walls, 1 behind the other
The one at the front has 2 slits.
You start shotgunning paintballs through the first wall.
The 2nd wall will get an imprint of the slits.
If you understand that, you are now at newtonian intelligence.
Now let's say these paintballs are electrons with particle wave duality. They act as both particles and waves.
You shoot the electron balls what happens? Correct! they pass through the first wall and the 2nd wall gets random globs of paint. Because waves don't give 2 shits.
Now let's put an electron detector between you and the first wall. What happens? Correct, 2 slits like the normal paintball - what happened to the wave property? See pic related, you are now at quantum intelligence!
Now - here's the kicker - put that observer between the 1st and 2nd wall. So it's a wave on the first, a particle on the 2nd. What happens?
Correct, it's the imprints! The timeline changed so now it has always been a particle, because it needs to be a particle when it hits wall2.
Welcome to the forefront of Human discovery. We don't know why it's 1 or the other and the states change outside of spacetime
What is time anyway ?
It's a flat circle
because photons are matter you pseud
wait I can't get to quantum level. How did the electron become physical due to meth?
>I choose to ignore FTL for now, we don't know by what method that'd work and it would frick with all practical considerations.
The implication is quantum entanglement allows instantaneous communications with the Sophons
You're moronic. The threat of a first strike being revealed is almost zero.
First, you use the space equivalent of submarines. Small ships, orbiting stars for energy, with enough fuel to jump a few stars away. These ships have detection capability, and scan nearby systems for signs of life. Once found, you nuke it.
Let's say you were too late, or an observer sees you shoot. First, the projectile is too small to be reasonably detected. Even if it can be backtraced after it demolishes a planet, it only reasonably leads you to a star system that has been evacuated a second after the shot was fired. The hunter moves after he shoots, he doesn't stay still. So the planet gets nuked, and then MAYBE an observer decides to nuke where the shooter was. Then MAYBE another observer decides to nuke where the first observer was. Etc, until one race decides there's no point shooting an empty hide and needing to waste time moving.
With a few thousand ships, you could easily police a very large region of space with no real threat of reprisal. The only counter to dark forest theory is that it's impossible to hide life. Even then, all that happens is that space warfare is about moving around as much as possible so by the time anyone spots you, you've already left.
You're moronic. As soon as you try that shit on one planet of a multi-system empire they will be coming for you and you've just started a war of extermination when you could have just not attacked.
>you've just started a war of extermination when you could have just not attacked.
There's not enough space in the galaxy for 2 intelligent species, buddy. It would've ended in war either way, and such wars will last millennia and have no clear victor.
We're talking about wars of attrition on galactic timescales. You can make a billion drones in a couple of years with a basic production facility deep in controlled space, then slip them near any possible enemy system undetected because they're a single self destructing unit that moves at 0.5C or some other ludicrous speed until it finds a star system and nukes it. By conventional understandings of physics, these kinds of engagements would leave massive no mans land regions of a galaxy with no stars.
There is no value to cooperation. Only the question of "are we big enough to wipe out the other half of the galaxy?".
There absolutely is value to cooperation as seen in fricking life and real dark forests everywhere you inbred moron.
2 small people against 1 big person will obvioisly find value on cooperation against the bigger guy. Throughout history bitter enemys have CONSTANTLY cooperated despite, the danger they pose to each other, their fighting over shared resources or any other gay shit.
Sorry but this is getting silly now. Why is dark forest this holy uncounterable truism that is the end all be all for you. You seem unhealthily attached to something that really is nothing more than a fermi paradox cope for the fact that civs probably yeet themselves at some point.
Why do you give the aggressors all the agency in this? What if there is a civ that maps the stars using self replicating drones and chart all the civs they come accross. They reveal themselves to each civ and offer peace and terms and bring them into the fold. Those that join are welcomed. Those that dont are left to be but monitored. Hostiles are nutralised. All of this can be done without reveling ones own location. If that even fricking matters wich it shouldnt because any civ with a brain would be aggresively expanding in all directions both planets and artificial habitats. Or even in just giant colony ships. Weapon point of origin could also be stored light years away. Also how about some system defences people, this bullshit only works with magic insta kill weapons anyway so why dont we get magic defenses too?
Why do you think something originally being the same species or civilization makes them immune to the dark forest?
There's no such thing as "colonizing galaxy" because 'you' are not colonizing anything; you're simply breeding your own competition.
Dark Forest theory is absolutely shit and its only popular based on the fact that it's a "moron's factoid", and sifi lover spergs can get behind it with no knowledge of actual science
Much like quoting
>"A Kobayashi maru test"
>"The three laws of robotics"
>"A Dyson sphere"
>"The Fermi Paradox"
>"The Kardashev types of civilization"
Add "dark forest theory" to the pile
All pseudofantasy shit that makes morons feel smarter than they are, for knowing a random sifi factoid, that requires no actual math or knowledge of physics
>Dark Forest theory is absolutely shit
the entire premise destroys itself under the assumption two or more alien races couldn't befriend, DEFEN and PROTEC themselves for the mutual benefits peaceful coexistence brings
something that rarely happens with animals and even humans themselves
>he doesn't know about domesticated animals
>he doesn't believe in the globohomo
ngmi Sandcheese bug
>domesticated animals
You mean where one species completely dominates the others?
It's called symbiosis
Most animals (except fricking squirrels and insects) don't have a concept of amassing wealth.
As such, more often than not, they do no kill for pleasure or stocking food, and that mindset of "why woul I kill it? I'm already fed" leaves to interactions like this
Then you have the smallest, short temperamented animals, can kill out of fear.
But the biggest, strongest animals, have nothing to fear.
That's on earth alone
But nooo, let's all abscribe ALL ayys human mentality of "i gotta kill them before they kill me"
Even if there's countless examples of that not being the only mentality on earth alone, and certainly not the necessary mentality to survive.
All mentalities can coexist just fine
>Most animals (except fricking squirrels and insects) don't have a concept of amassing wealth.
No wonder why those bears and lions are always fighting with other predators over territory.
YES! And NONE of those fights, NONE of them, are lethal, to the death, "i have to kill you now or else you'll be on the adjacent territory and can come back later"
Exactly my point, yes, thank you
What was your point, btw?
>he doesn't know that Bears eat other bears
and most animals don't have a concept of self or time. WTF is this even trying to say anon?
There's dumb animals with no concept of civilization, so it means there's possible aliens with no concept of civilization?
Sure, doesn't mean they won't be treated like animals and be colonized by people who do have a concept of limited resources
Animals have a concept of time. Even bees have a concept of time.
they don't, they have a concept of weather, light, and environment. They do not have calendars or watches to track how long the winter's gonna be
>It has long been known that bees have circadian rhythms that allow them to estimate the time of day
> One would expect an initial response in anticipation of the end of the short interval, followed by a later
response in anticipation of the end of the long interval (on those trials in which the short interval expired
with no reward). The bees did indeed behave as if they were initially timing the shorter interval, although the overall rate of response did not show two clearly distinguishable peaks.
Black read your own damn study
when was the last time humans nuked each other? and besides, every hostility humans take is because we're stuck here with each other. space-faring peoples wouldn't give a shit about one another because everyone would have their own planets, and would be basically post-scarcity due to being able to mine asteroids and uninhabited worlds and shit. interaction would come in the form of centralized cultural exchanges that existed just for people to experience new ideas and entertainment and there would be no need for hostilities.
assuming we don't just develop inward, that is, into VR utopias and the like.
When you reach the point of launching 2D envelopes and black domains, dark forest paranoia seems wholly justified
>dark forest theory requires no math or physics
k bud please point us to some math and physics that refutes dark forest theory
k bud please point us to some math and physics that proves dark forest theory
>1 week
>show already forgotten
book 1 is introductory and they did a bad job of not building suspense, this show is completely unnecessary
I can't "refute it" with math and physics because the theory isn't based on math and physics, it's literally my point
In fact, the dark forest isn't based on anything, not math, not anthropology, not biology, not anything
It's literally psychology with sifi flavour
It's unprovable, impossible to test, the only times it could have been observed on this planet is on the primal human races 200 000 years ago MAYBE, and that's it
Yet, it sounds good as a framing for your pew pew series so you'll take that, in a scale, way more on the "fact" side that on the "bullshit" side
Sociology. Not psychology. Why are you so ignorant
>game theory
>not math
frick are you stupid or what eh. Do you have a post secondary stem education?
Survival is paramount. Everyone sane understands this is true.
Resources are finite. I will concede if you want to argue this but it's getting off into fantasy land.
A simpler easily conceivable example is 2 people with one food source. The outcome is obvious instead of trying to imagine the vastness of space may have another food source. Even if it did its irrelevent.
It's game theory you absolutely stupid mongoloid, based on some pretty reasonable assumptions you find the dark forest theory actually makes perfect sense. Would you kill another civ to save your own? Is your civilization dying very detrimental to you? Okay now you know.
>Dark Forest theory only works if you have the contrivance that it's possible to wipe out your enemy with absolute certainty that they have NO second strike capability lurking in deep space
that's literally why the ayylmaos attacked and even deterred technological advancements
Did the San Ti even know who obliterated their homeworld after humanity made good on their threat?
Nope. Someone who heard their coordinates sent a photoid (basically a missile) travelling at relativistic speeds at one of their suns and kaboom. Three body problem solved (by removing one of their suns) but also their home world got incinerated.
That confrontation scene between her and Ye Wenjie was much better in the books. Instead of just one, there were 4 of them. We know that as soon as their usefulness was fulfilled, they were all sent off to do hard labour in rural China. But when Ye ended up meeting them, there were only 3 because one of them drowned in the Yellow River trying to save a goat or something, along with 3 others. One of them had gotten fat, another was really thin, and the last one lost an arm because it was crushed by a tank or something, not because it got gangrene like in the show.
I can recommend reading The Killing Star.
The plot pretty much follows what you are describing.
First strike still gives you an overwhelming advantage.
americans can't even keep their infrastructure from collapsing and you're talking about plan Bs kek
we'll just nuke america and that's that
Also what if the aliens are a multi planetary civilization with thousands of star systems
They don't strike from a position where your location can be determined
THOUGH I guess you could do some bullshit to reduce the search space by determining the light cone based on timing, but realistically an advanced civilization would account of that too.
HOWEVER after sufficient distances, the chain of suspicion applies to your "own" "civilization", because sufficient time and space will lead to speciation or ideological shifts. If you have strike platforms hosted far away from the powerbase of your civ, you have to worry about it being taken over and used to threaten you.
It's kind of an interesting problem.
Related.
>Dark Forest theory only works if you have the contrivance that it's possible to wipe out your enemy with absolute certainty that they have NO second strike capability
The whole idea is that the aliens wipe you out before you know they are even there.
The whole theory hinges on a pretty reasonable assumption: destroying things is easy. For an alien civilization whose mastery of the laws of the universe is nearly absolute, you can imagine how obliterating an entire solar system light years away is a trivial task, especially if you have no interest in leaving any survivors. This isn't just some speculative sci-fi scenario: dealing with any other intelligent being is a carefully weighted process which goes from wondering if your crazy neighbor has a loaded gun to modern international diplomacy.
You're correct in assuming that there are lots of alien civilizations out there who do not possess the sort of strike capability necessary to wipe out a target civilization - it's reasonable to think they'd require greatly advanced technology. The problem is that you don't need hundreds of civilizations out there capable of such a feat, you just need a single one.
I think it hinges on another assumption that's more uncertain and something that I don't really agree with. That all sentient life emerges from the same elements and thus would be competing for the same resources. I think about silicon based life forms who might have zero interest in occupying a planet like earth which is attuned to support carbon based life. Also, on a more optimistic note, I think the curiosity to interact with another species would overwhelm any fear a species might have about reaching out into the unknown. It's curiosity that has driven us to question and explore the nature of reality and develop all the science and technology today. I think it might be a fundamental commonality across intelligent life and many would just want to reach out and see if there are others in our universe. Not by some calculation of risk and survival, but pure curiosity and hope that they aren't alone in the cosmos.
she cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-8bAi6BGODk
Sure, real cute when you do something wrong and she beats you with a belt
I would carry her the belt, saying ma'am, I have done something wrong.
btw, I would also be fully nude.
my ex used to wear those shoes, i bought them for her
now i wont sleep tonight knowing she has thrown them out long ago and is sleeping with someone else
I want to order one of those, please.
Looks like a kpop boy in makeup. I thought it was a femboy when I clicked on it.
>muh wolf warrior diplomacy
The 3 sneedy problem.
I can't stop repeating Cinemaphile memes in public. I told my gf I was gonna feed and seed her sneed and she locked herself in the bathroom. I tried to explain I need to get in to take a big shit, for you but now she's crying and said she will call the police if I try to come in. This Chucks.
Same vibe, but it's more like we have this scene at home:
Why does modern media suck ass? It's not even nostalgia at this point, because Hollywood's nostalgic pandering merely disguises their desperate, yet futile, attempts at recapturing former glory.
i want to coom in her
gross dude.
While she tells you about black holes?
I was so glad to see Keiko again (she was my favorite on DS9)
>(she was my favorite on DS9)
You must literally be the only Keiko fan in the entire world
MIIILES
Looks like any old Chinese lady running a Chinese restaurant in a strip mall
One issue with Dark Forest theory is that it hypothesizes instant annihilation weapons. The two illustrated ones are photoids and 2Dization. Photoids require a ludicrous amount of energy since they destroy stars. And 2Dization is fricking magic.
A more realistic method of Dark Forest attack is self-replicating Von Neumann probes, but if they fail you are fricked, and if they were real then we wouldn’t be here.
It's believed now that we're possibly among the first 5-10% of sapient life to emerge in the universe based on distance from the Big Bang and how quickly planets form while taking into account species going through the same gauntlet we went through more or less to get here as a final product.
That's why there's nobody there, we're early. Our species is potentially going to be the Legendary First Ones that first step out into the void and must then bear the charge of guiding and defending life in the universe...yikes, things aren't looking good for everyone else so far...
>It's believed now that we're possibly among the first 5-10% of sapient life to emerge in the universe based on distance from the Big Bang and how quickly planets form while taking into account species going through the same gauntlet we went through more or less to get here as a final product.
Nice source homosexual.
Just look up "grabby aliens" you trogs.
>This power law comes from the standard hard-steps statistical model of the
origin of advanced life within a limited planetary time window, and its power comes from
the number of “hard steps” in the evolution of advanced life, a number that has been
roughly estimated from the history of major events in Earth history to be near the range
3 to 9.
Yeah nice source homosexual.
>because there aren't any grabby aliens yet, it's a sign that we're ahead to be the first grabby alien
I dunno, it all assumes that it's even possible to contact or reach that far. Population collapse and extinction events are a thing. There could very well be a progress wall (ie: speed of light, we just assume FTL is possible cuz a universe where it doesn't exist is boring).
The things you mention are potential setbacks yes, but short of total extinction, they are just a question of scale.
Maybe humanity (and aliens) need to evolve their mindsets just to cope with the absolutely massive scale of spacetime.
>no alien controlled structures in the sky
Fricking Dyson spheres again. This concept has probably done more harm to extraterrestrial research than anything else. Why the frick is building megastructures considered inevitable for a civilization. The last half a century of our own civilization has primarily focused on miniaturisation, hell we don't even transmit long range signals as much as we used to. Apart from deliberate attempts at contact, we've become less detectable than before. So yeah, that grabby aliens bit was just nonsense. But I do concede to the argument that we're probably early. The rest of the paper is snake oil.
Dyson spheres are the holy grail of energy production, but yeah it requires a lot of steps to get there
anon, that's not how spacetime works. There's parts of the galaxy that's actually going a lot faster than us at the fringe edge. 5million years for us could of been 50million years next to a giant star
>I didn't read it so it can't be a thing
you mean you don't know time is not linear or you mean because people never encountered your "humans are ahead" theory it can't be true?
Because the former is easily provable, we know for a fact time isn't a thing and is just the way we perceive mass in motion in space. (Relativity)
The latter is something that's proven wrong by the former
Planets didn't all form at the same time, some planets and bodies formed far, far sooner than others. And it's based on close the matter is to the Big Bang.
Our galaxy was among the first to cool and form planets as well as be free of intense radiation.
Billions years before us there were planets that formed, but they were all still cooking from heat and radiation, life in any shape or form that we could understand couldn't exist.
And you need to take into account the billions of years life has been on Earth which everybody seems to fail to do when thinking about life on Earth and only think about "when people showed up"
here you go reddit spacing anon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
Trillions/billions/millions of years, it doesn't matter. because time isn't a thing; only spacetime. There can be some portion of space that has already experienced 500 trillion years of mass reactions and decay over what the Milky Way has experienced.
Time is a factor of gravity, not how far along you are in the expansion of the universe
There is no such thing as redditspacing, that was gaslighting you fell for.
And you're still not understanding, here's one example
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/08/25/491307739/are-we-the-earliest-intelligent-life-in-the-universe#:~:text=His%20conclusion%3A%20Earth%20may%20well,be%20expected%20on%20most%20planets.
>some planets and bodies formed far, far sooner than others. And it's based on close the matter is to the Big Bang.
you are aware some much bigger and smaller stars have already exploded and collapsed in both directions of the Big Bang right?
>t's believed now that we're possibly among the first 5-10% of sapient life to emerge in the universe based on distance from the Big Bang
No it's not, kek where did you get this
>That's why there's nobody there, we're early. Our species is potentially going to be the Legendary First Ones that first step out into the void and must then bear the charge of guiding and defending life in the universe...
LOL
LMAO
Needs to be shooped with Saul & Wade from the netflix show
>we
PoC are not part of it
POC isn't a thing anymore. It's only BIPOC now.
>Our species is potentially going to be the Legendary First Ones that first step out into the void
Where you think you going wyt boi?
Why are the only people who post this meme losers who, even if blacks didn't exist, would still be losers waiting for someone else to actually do the work for space colonization.
Are black people why even when a richgay who hardly has to answer to anyone (Musk) DOES want to do space colonization, nothing is happening?
Or they could just launch a missile at relativistic speeds that does more damage than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs when it impacts or fire an ultra-relativistic electron beam that bathes the entire planet with lethal levels of gamma radiation or if they are a type-2 civilization on the Kardishev scale they can focus all the light from their star into a laser beam as big as the Earth to burninate the entire surface.
what an absolute moronic attempt at sci fi
>let's detonate nukes to propel a spaceship
how did the nukes get to that spot in space?
did they just manifest there?
>sail attached with a wire to the ship, a few bolts hold it all together
whoopsy, Cheng might have forgotten to tighten that one screw, whole mission is doomed and humanity with it
>what could go wrong flying with the speed of light
any particle in it's trajectory would vaporize this laughable attempt at a space flight
what absolute spastic came up with this shit
There's a whole scene about deploying the bombs, and it was 0.01% lightspeed
Wade even warns Jin in advance that it doesn't matter if the plan fails because everything they learn from it advances human knowledge and is a win in his books
That entire plot and the lovesick cancer patient character were pretty much just there to give the show some emotional backbone.
The book can feel pretty autistic at times so I can see why it was added but I don't think it was particularly well done.
The Project Staircase plotline is from the books. It's just from the third book not the first.
The lovesick cancer patient was very much in the books and he plays a big part in book 3
Isn't your ship practically a 2d object from the perspective of an observer just chilling in space, like atoms and dust in space, because of relativistic compression?
That would mean things would just phase through you at that point, maybe leaving a tiny radiation signature if they hit your atoms in a "lucky" way.
I'm not a scientist though, just my modest understanding of relativity.
Forgot to write it but I meant this for the lightspeed travel part.
The show doesnt deal with light speed travel for any pbject with mass. Only Sophons travel lightspeed as they are massless and transfer data FTL due to quantum entanglement
>tfw to smart 4 three body
>let's detonate nukes to propel a spaceship
Nuclear pulse propulsion
>a few bolts hold it all together
You are an idiot
>trajectory would vaporize this laughable attempt at a space flight
It's not light speed
You just get filtered by science and scifi apparently.
This series is the most reddit shit ever.
Popular and well received while being hated by cynical incel chuds?
Yeah I’d say the show is reddit
>Made the beloved protag of the most beloved entry of the trilogy a dudeweed nig
KEK wonder what the slanties think about this? Guess they've already got their own more kino version already, though.
At the very least I'm glad the obvious setup of Saul and Auggie means we're going to be spared the cringe shit that was Zhuang Yan
where are the webms?
I will take webms requests in the next general/thread
considering the series ends with the whole universe 'bouncing' it's hard to feel any further interest in the show after this season
I think it's likely that the show will change the ending. It's a pretty loose adaptation so far.
You didn't follow the logic of the plot on how the actions of conscious beings IS the reason of the accelerated expanse of the universe, and the natural progress would be the rebound?
Or you just don't like stories with such extreme scope? It's understandable then.
i'm saying no matter what the characters do the universe ends, therefore i can't care about their struggle
>no matter what the characters do the universe ends
Isn't that (indirectly) true for every story?
>i'm saying no matter what the characters do the universe ends, therefore i can't care about their struggle
But they get a new one
>capable of unfolding protons in 11 dimensions to create nearly omniscient, sentient supercomputers
>cannot into habitable space stations
????
Even aliens can't escape the rent israelite.
Isn't part of the San Ti cultural trauma thing that their existence has been incredibly unstable an subject to repeated society destroying disasters because of the nature of their homeworld, so Earth and it's long term stability is the top of their list for saving their people?
There is a cut video game segment of the book that showed "modern" trisolaris and it was an emo nihilistic shithole where most trisolarans are dehydrated most of the time. Before they get the message from China they have pretty much given up and are just waiting for the planet to be destroyed.
Obviously a planet is nice to have but the idea that such an advanced civilization that has access to sub-lightspeed and 11 dimensions wouldn't have prioritized the construction of massive habitable structures in space is just a contrivance for the plot to work.
The implications is that the aliens cannot create anything that has mass which can unfold space like that. So they cant create a space station using that tech as it would need mass
Maybe they should've tried losing weight lmao.
>A space station in the trisolaris system
The netflix show made a poor job explaining how fricked that star system is, imagine 12 babies alone in a room with 3 pitbulls, thats their struggle
There is literally only one planet left in the system and its eventually getting consumed by one of the suns, where would you put the space station homie? just launch it to the void of space until it runs out of resources? the problem is not their planet itself its their entire star system
Who are the pitbulls? Sounds like they're more interesting subjects for a show.
The pitbulls are the suns
Oh I thought you were talking about the bigger dick aliens.
Oh ok, therefore we will just sit here and wait for someone to send us the location of their perfect planet hope it isnt too far or the civ too advanced. Hey has anyone checked any of the other nearby stars that dont take 400years to reach? Are they all fricked? Maybe any moons or barren worlds or something hmm nothing at all wow thats crazy. How the frick did they get so advanced again. Cos they seem absoluty moronic. Oh shit looks like the primitive civ we was on the way to conquer and told everything to has decided to broadcast our location to everyone bye.
>Hey has anyone checked any of the other nearby stars that dont take 400years to reach?
We're literally the closest star to them. The 3 body system is Alpha Centauri.
Wow even a gayer chinese people should not be allowed to write science fiction. Is it explained in the books why the sophons dont just kill people? We cant they go inside peoples brains and spin around a trillion trillion times.
>Is it explained in the books why the sophons dont just kill people?
In the books they're basically harmless, the most they can reasonably do is cause partial temporary blindness by interacting with your eyes. They're photons, and they can't even alter their wavelength to give you cancer with UV or something. Are you scared of light?
In the show, they're literal gods and could trivially kill anyone on earth, they just don't because dabid and dabid don't really understand anything they're writing.
So how do they see anything if they are an order of magnitude smaller than a wave of visible light? Or hear anything for that matter? How could they even possibly see a full snapshot of a single moment.
they can unfold space in 11 dimensions which gives them godmode powers
>In the books they're basically harmless
In the books it unfolds into a killer, sword-wielding geisha robot
Isn't that after the arrival.
No, the humans build the photon a magic robot weeb shell. Why they don't use this technology to build robots that can protect them from one rogue weeb robot is never explained.
My bad apparently they build the robot for the sophon to control
Use thrusters on your space stations to maintain highly complex but safe orbits around the stars. Just because the 3 body problem has no closed form solution doesn't mean we can't compute the orbits albeit with some difficulty. But computational power is clearly no issue for the Trisolarans.
>Trisolarans, I've come to bargain!
>nanotech lady, physicist lady, cancer guy, wallfacer, and fat frick were all in the same clique and happen to be the most important people on the planet
I felt like I was watching a fricking Friends episode half the time.
This will always be a funny complaint considering the character writing in the novels is abysmal
In the book cancer guy is a random incel who decides to buy a star for his college crush he never talked to, who turns out to be the most important person in history.
>In the book cancer guy is a random incel who decides to buy a star for his college crush he never talked to, who turns out to be the most important person in history.
Why did they select his brain to be sent in the books?
They did talk like once a year ;_;
And also maybe because he was the first one to test new euthanasia law? There was an animu-tier phrase like "Yun Tianming, this law was passed specifically for you".
I think she arrives to him still unaware that he bought her the star.
He passed their tests. Also Wade was a sadistic who liked tormenting Cheng Xin; he could have prioritized picking him for that reason.
>Why did they select his brain to be sent in the books?
It's more contrived than in the series. Cheng is overseeing Project Staircase and a friend in casual conversation offhandedly mentions that a guy they went to college with was terminally ill, so she just immediately rushes to him and offers him a position as one of the candidates.
It occurs to her than she's dooming this guy she doesn't even know well to a living hell so tries to get him removed, but Wade reveals he top scored all their tests because seemingly negative traits like being socially withdrawn and not notably intelligent would benefit the plan, and similar to the series he's one of two candidates that refuse to swear loyalty to Earth. The other suddenly died of their terminal illness before a team was ready to preserve the brain, so he wins.
>This will always be a funny complaint considering the character writing in the novels is abysmal
The complaint is that too many important characters just happen to be connected to major events out of pure coincidence
I can see Saul being chosen as Wallfacer by Wade but apart from that other characters important to several major events just are connected to each other. It needs too much of suspension of disbelief to accept it, apart from all the physics plotholes
>Chinese IP
>Remove or straight up swap out almost all Asian male characters
>Instead make up a character that's a literal gay
>His only purpose is to further emasculate the one Asian male they kept relatively intact
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA they're not even being subtle anymore, holy shit, will be funny to see this play out.
>our superadvanced alien race cant do anything against you for 400 years we are doomed to fail
>btw we magically sent a giant supercomputer that can cover the entire earth there instantly but for some reason this doesnt mean we won
???? what a stupid fricking show
Exactly. That's one of the biggest plot holes
Ignoring the sophon science do you think a two protons can kill a billion people? Are you dumb?
Can a spaceship bigger than earth be dangerous?
In the books, the sophons had some...problems in their test phase and were easily blasted holes into by conventional weapons.
The planet-covering sophon is a tool of fear not a proper weapon of conquest.
it's a proton unfolding the maximum it could do is blot out the sun but it has infinitesimal thickness and in the books nukes can easily wipe them out. Though they gets destroyed every time they collide with particles and just magically fix themselves. Its' a bit stupid but most scifi is.
Okay but seriously what was the point of watching the show after the aliens revealed themselves to the world? Does anyone actually care about these characters?
what the frick is the deal with the indian guy he’s not in the books at all right
the Indian guy is Zheng Beihai from the books
he has a pretty major role
There's basically no pure originals, everyone has a book counterpart even if they're combinations of multiple characters
Shouldnt Saul not being chinese give you a clue that they just changed characters to fit a western series
Are there any sex scenes in the books? Especially with the katana lady?
My dude, the absolute height of relationship writing in these books is when Luo Ji (Saul) uses his Wallfacer powers to custom order his ultimate waifu, and Da Shi actually does it, unironically
That's sad. Let's hope creators make something more appealing to western people.
Women are going to be replaced, cope. We already have artificial wombs working and delivering animals 100% fine. Soon we'll just grow your eggs and do away with you lot. Your time is ending.
>Let's hope creators make something more appealing to western people.
I mean, they added a black guy that fricks white women. For you western people.
The European wallfacer and his evil wife had a better and realer romance
I think it's funny, that a black person in the show faces the wall
>woman given power
>becomes the most sadistic among them all
>woman given power
>immediately surrenders to the genocidal alien species
The women in this series are so fricking obnoxious.
They've always been that way, and they always will.
i love her
she's adorable but tries her best to be a hardass
And clearly is into BDSM
UOOOOOOO
In the books she lost her arm in a can return machine.
Sexooooooo
In communist china the brat corrects you
Was Ye Wenjie bleached in the books too? I mean the show went out of its way to erase all asian men from the cast. The only one left is a fat depressed boomer with a homosexual son.
No, she has sex with another chink researcher at Red Base. Then I think she kills him because he finds out about the ayys? Or maybe she kills someone else, I forget.
They made her a race traitor for the show.
You know, I can't remember if she ever had a sexual relationship with Evans in the books. Doesn't ring a bell. Her daughter is from a humongous part of the story left out of netflix. The reason she's bailed out and sent to Red Coast is that one friendly officer is her dad's old student. She eventually starts banging him, she plap plap plap gets pregnant, he and the officer get too close to her ayy communications, and she arranges their deaths but cutting a rope while they repelled down a cliff face.
Then after she has fricked humanity, she shits out her dumb kid, nearly dies, the whole little moron peasant village on the mountain donates blood, takes her in while she recovers, helps raise her kid in some traditional bug way full of community and love, and she warms up to humanity.
But, ya know, fookin eatin crisps in the loo and pickle rick and such
But seriously, what's up with the gay son? For what purpose?
DEI
Oddly enough he's setting up a weird plot from the third book. His whole existence as a character was to introduce the bugman future investment scheme. I can't even remember the scheme's utility in DE.
I don't think Shi has a family in the books.
Shi always has a son. He's just a frickup until the world starts ending and he comes up with a scheme to get rich off of selling people space funerals.
He's minor but the version we see in the Netflix show is probably the most faithfully adapted character.
Like most characters, the son doesn't have any real character in the book.
In current day as a teenager he goes to prison for fraud, he and Da Shi are reunited in the mid 2200's. He mainly just exposition dumps about how society changed in the 200 year timeskip.
Is there any chance they fold Swordbearer into the Poochad instead of Black Seth Rogen? Raj is actually pretty based compared to the fricking Oxford nerds. Can't believe a loser like Saul is supposed to be Luo Ji. Nope.
...are you forgetting that Luo Ji was also a huge loser? They tell it to his face when he's questioning his choice as a Wallfacer and the thing with his wife is completely embarrassing. He turns into a respectable dude.
Also since I assume they'll be keeping the cast mostly together, Swordholder could go straight to Jin, since she's Cheng Xin with some Wang Miao merged in.
>Swordholder could go straight to Jin, since she's Cheng Xin with some Wang Miao merged in.
Even more erasure of Asian men. Jesus.
Xin was a chick, dude. Jin is at least an asian chick, except she's completely fricking moronic and half girlboss, half trying to act emotional about a pretend VR child.
>...are you forgetting that Luo Ji was also a huge loser?
Luo Ji was an /ourloser/ autistic anime nerd, not a buttoned up dude weed science stoner.
Why didn't they just put guns on the spaceship?
Which spaceship?
I didn't expect them to change the story so much, I was so confused by the end of the first EP.
like, aside from the Chinese radar station plot, everything is changed, I didn't recognize a single character.
And the MC is now a Wallmart Ana de Armas?
the onion knight is morphing into George Galloway
>episode 5 is the best bro just watch until episode 5 at least bro
>the annoying fricking mexican chick is lecturing navy man about killing muh innocent species traitor cultists
Why is this fricking c**t allowed to talk
I'm confused because they heavily frame her as being the main protagonist but then immediately frick her off, she didn't seem very relevant and didn't even appear in many scenes toward the end.
Jin Cheng starts getting like 80% of the screen time and most relevant arc but still feels like a side character
The problem is they split her character in half to give Jin something to do. Jin won't be in S2 at all unless they write in garbage for her to do, like whining at the pajeet for killing homosexuals. Auggie as a character is a fricking trainwreck, and they're probably going to make her the nog's wife in S2 so she can be even more annoying.
Because they're a wave, a particle, and have perfect control of their movement and position. Don't worry about it, it's just plot convenience and soft sci-fi to explain why the aliens have perfect observation abilities but little to no interaction potential.
Lol so youre talking out your ass, they have perfect movement so can move around and intercept every wave of light that is travelling at the speed of light while they themselves are travelling at the speed of light. So its magic but then the magic has to stop suddenly because they cant hurt anyone. And this is the story everyone says is good for its science and ideas because the characters are garabge. But also just ignore the sciece and ideas because its a plot convenience.
>Lol so youre talking out your ass, they have perfect movement so can move around and intercept every wave of light that is travelling at the speed of light while they themselves are travelling at the speed of light. So its magic but then the magic has to stop suddenly because they cant hurt anyone. And this is the story everyone says is good for its science and ideas because the characters are garabge. But also just ignore the sciece and ideas because its a plot convenience.
welcome to "hard scifi", it's full of magic bullshit people handwave away.
Auggie is seriously fricking hot but she's just too much of an irritating b***h.
She's bogged as hell. If they make a second season I bet she comes in looking like a fricking blow up doll.
>If they make a second season I bet she comes in looking like a fricking blow up doll.
A lot of the retooling is due to the fact all three books basically have isolated casts who don't interact, the show is made to have characters that mostly stick around from beginning to end.
Auggie is mostly a character that solely appears in the first book, but her content in the show mostly runs out because a bunch of her actions were transferred to Jin, so she's instead set up as someone who will continue to matter in season 2 through her relationship with Saul.
Jin is mostly a character that didn't appear until the third book, so they brought her forward and gave her a bunch of stuff Auggie's base character did to flesh her out.
The end of the entire first novel is the ending of episode 5 (plus that ending scene of episode 7), so 6-8 are mostly things that happened in the later books, or setup for it.
D&D just did Game of Thrones which had characters in different continents never interacting with each other, they know how to handle this but instead insist of making some soap op cast where every relevant player in the entire planet just so happen to all be best friends at the beginning of the show. It's way too corny
The character writing in the source material is awful, it's the biggest change they've made for a reason, not just because of needing to keep a consistent cast together for the whole story
The character writing in the original is mediocre, but it's still about 100 times better than the slop that passes for writing in the shitflix show.
>The character writing in the source material is awful
You prefer the bar scene or the he UHHH EXCUSE ME SHE trash?
>wallfacer
>wallbreaker
>swordbearer
>swordholder
>rimjobber
wtf are these
Wallfacer you should already know, you watched the shitty show at least, right? Wallbreakers are wallfacer breakers. Swordbearer and holder are the same shit and only relevant for the third book, and rimjobber is you.
NTA, but the show did a piss poor job of introducing wallfacer concept.
Am I supposed to believe UN just gave 3 people unlimited power with little to no explanation?
>Am I supposed to believe UN just gave 3 people unlimited power with little to no explanation?
Yes. Everything from the car accident up until the assassination attempt is pretty much word for word from the books, except there is one fewer wallfacer.
Desperate times and all.
The show doesn't say anything about the PDC does it? Sort of makes it seem like the UN Secretary General just decides to grab dictatorial power and personally runs the world.
They namedrop the PDC at the hospital where Saul is treated, and there is a news headline that Wade reads later in the season which talks about world governments giving pushback to the Wallfacer concept.
None of the Wallfacers really use any funding or do anything egregious in the first season anyways.
It solely exists so the self-insert chang can have access to the kind of funding needed to actually combat the ayys. It's also the only plan humans come up with in 400 years that even has a hope in hell of working.
It doesn't help that Cixin's writing typically goes "There were sentiments A, B, C, D in the society at the time, with implications E, F, G, and proposals H, I, J, but then C won and thus all men became femboys for the next century". One can tell he's fun to drink with.
The wallfacers are a plothole. Current year AI is reliably able to read minds and predict behaviour patterns to market catered ads toward you. The aliens have the tech to make humans see things but they aren't able to predict what we are thinking?
>heh lets hire a bunch of people who hate humanity and want nothing to do with our program to be our star advisors, we are WACKY and UNPREDICTABLE being stupid is actually very smart lol dont forget to pack spices with the brain because he likes spicy food
>Current year AI is reliably able to read minds and predict behaviour patterns
Be honest anon, you invested in NFTs too didn't you
I just watched a summary of the books on youtube and Luo Ji's gambit sounded really fricking kino. Maybe I should've actually read the books.
Man, you really ruined it for yourself. Reading that shit was the high point of the books.
Yeah, serves me right I guess.
In the end, it doesn't matter.
Luo Ji ("logic") -> Saul ("soul")
D&D, I kneel...
I REGRET WATCHING THIS PAST EPISODE 5.
The entire sick cancer dude sending his brain to aliens was THE SINGLE MOST FRICKING moronic THING I HAVE EVER WITNESSED ON TV.
>guyz lets send the brain of a scientist to the aliens who want to exterminate us
>they can analize it and find a thousand new great ways to xterminate humans
WHO FRICKING WROTE THIS.
WHY IS EVERY PIECE OF MODERN MEDIA, ESPECIALY SCI FI, SO GOD-DAMN moronic?!1?!?!
i just cant cope with this writing motherfricking STUPIDITY anymore.
Even the wallfacer concept seems stupid the way they showed it
It's stupid in the book too but it's even more gigastupid in the show
Yeah, I would think the show would at least make an effort for that concept to be believable
They show Wade going "hey what a great idea" about 5 minutes before they implement it, and he's the magic character of the show instead of a regular glowBlack person.
It’s a good plan though, it works out.
Reminder this is about whites vs immigrants.
Third book goes full moron with the chinese government censored themes. Dumb c**t is attacked by Wade to prevent her from being in control of the device that is safeguarding the earth. She lives and he is imprisoned because crime is always punished. She proceeds to destroy humanity. Then when humanity manages to survive despite this they plan to make it impossible to ever leave the solar system; for their safety. Wade has a group with anti-matter weapons telling them to get fricked we are building lightspeed ships. So the dumb c**t who already destroyed humanity once and is planning to destroy it forever asks him to put the weapons down. Wade instantly agrees and they all do, so Wade is executed. I haven't gotten to whether she succeeds in destroying humanity for all time.
It's the most ridiculous CCP fanfiction possible.
>one pacifist alien says not to respond or the others will come to conquer
>other aliens say they're coming in peace
>aliens don't understand the concept of lying
Which is it?
They don't say they're coming in peace
Yes they do. That's the entire reason for the little red ridding hood plot point. The aliens learn what lying is and change their stance from peace to war.
They never actually say they're coming in peace, it's always and invasion where they'll be taking Earth for their own, it's just that they only openly declare that humanity needs to go after they're taught the concept of lies and freaked out by it
In the book the organization Ye Wenjie and Evans founded actually had three factions - the Adventists who think humanity suck so badly it deserves extinction and the San Ti are a means to an end, the Redemptionists who are religiously devoted to saving the San Ti and think solving the Three Body Problem means both races can benefit, and Survivors who think proving their usefulness to the San Ti will mean they're allowed to survive post invasion.
This dynamic for all intents and purposes ends after the destruction of the Judgement Day leaving only a shell of the organization made up of Adventists, so in show it's all kind of merged into one and Ye and Evans softened since they're basically complete sociopaths in the book.
the books are.... kinda bad, and the show is even worse.
the first few eps are ok, but the show gets moronic later on.
Even now scientists are completely baffled by the three body problem and claim it is unsolvable.
I would solve the problem by creating a miniature black hole that will swallow two of the stars. Now you are saying how do you create a black hole. Well if you have the ability to create a siphon than you can certainly have the technology to create black holes.
Who wants to tell him?
This is just like Haruhi solving super-permutations all over again... good lord...
The three body problem isn't considered baffling or "unsolvable". Yeah there's no closed form solution to the problem but we've methods to calculate n body systems. It isn't considered some great mystery, just an unfortunate limitation of the mathematical method.
If the aliens have
>quantum super computers
>the ability for 1% light speed travel
Why are they still on their original shitty planet anyways? How do they even know Earth will be habitable for their biology? Why Earth at all? There are plenty of planets they could have moved to at any time.
>Why are they still on their original shitty planet anyways?
The answer to this spoils book 2 and 3
>How do they even know Earth will be habitable for their biology? Why Earth at all? There are plenty of planets they could have moved to at any time.
The Chinese lady not only sent out a signal but also information about Earth
Yeah the signal being sent out is basically similar to the Voyager golden records
anon... if a star turns into a black hole, the same amount of mass is still there and you still have the same problem
not to mention the emissions and ejections that would destroy the planet in the process of forming
sex with the sentient computer
They should have picked an attractive woman.
so season 2 when? I want to see how much humans frick up and don't want to read the books
How come the ayyliens don't understand individual fear but in the very first communication one mentions that he's a pacifist? Was it different ayys?
good point
>we are one giant hivemind incapable of lying
>don't contact me again or the other will invade, you are lucky I intercepted the message
isn't hiding the signal a for of lie?
The aliens don't lie because their intentions are communicated between each other automatically. Think of it like if you were to lie about being a woman. It makes no sense and nobody would believe it anyway because it's completely obvious through observation that you are not.
They are entirely capable of lying, they just weren't aware of it being a thing because there was nobody that would be deceived.
Same alien, he’s old and he’s unironically an incel (he knows he’s not going to be able to procreate because he’s super low in the hierarchy) so he decides to at least try and save another species.
And no, they aren’t a hivemind and they can feel fear, it’s just that living on a planet that gets hot enough to melt rocks and cold enough to turn into a snowball makes a society push down these emotions. And he doesn’t lie, he’s in a listening post monitoring Earth’s section by himself since it’s a chaotic era and when his supervisor finds out, he can’t lie so they find out. The show really fricked this concept up as well
Makes sense I suppose, thanks Anon.
One of the most common questions indicating the fault of the show.
No, tri-lmaos aren't actually the hivemind, they're more like inherently telepathic, unable to obscure their thoughts in some radius. The pacifist guy is alone in his outpost but gets court-martialed later.
Stupid invention of the show. The Trisolarans have individual thought, they just can't think and talk separately.
In the book he doesn't hide or intercept anything. Thousands of listening posts receive the Red Coast message, he's just the first to reply.
>have individual thought, they just can't think separately.
Wut
Makes sense if they're telepathic.
In simple terms, speech and thought are the same thing to them, their communications are thoughts.
A human later points out to them that the conversations with humanity are taking place across a non-native medium where their thoughts aren't being perceived so they could easily have omitted information or been deceptive, but it was something that simply did not occur to them until humanity taught them about it
They can't separate speech and thought. Like if every thought you had immediately came out your mouth.
That doesnt make sense, since bookgays also said the original DONT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR WE WILL CONQUER YOU was sent by the alien. How can that alien send the message without other aliens knowing?
they found out and punished that homie
He's sat in his little wagie cage waiting for messages to reach him. He sees one, and he sends a reply. Nobody happens to be watching him while he's doing this very boring work at some moronic listening outpost at a SETI equivalent, and he is killed for it a few minutes after he sends the message because higher ups notice.
The ayylmao king found out, tortured the dude, and forced him to dehydrate just so he could be revived later and forced to watch the ayylmao's wipe out humanity (before being killed himself).
It's not hard to comprehend. Just imagine everyone had a device that could read whatever you were thinking.
So what are your thoughts on the Netflix version of 3 body problem? I have yet to try it
>from the creators of Game of Thrones
kekaroo
To quote myself from another thread
> It's a theme park adaptation that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.
> The idea of compressing book 1 to less than one season was cursed from the start and is probably the biggest sin here. Worse than all the Americanized woke original writing.
most likely netflix doesn't believe in the project, we might see the story stretched later if the metrics are good.
D&D:
- Oh god, how do we sell this nerd shit...
- We move the book 1 ending to the middle of the season to keep people hooked!
- But that's impossible!
- It's more than impossible, it's necessary.
Compressing the first book was a fine decision. They still hit all of the major "scenes" with plenty of time to spare for cancer guy to die and for Saul to become a Wallfacer. 3BP is short compared to The Dark Forest.
The only omissions I can really see one complaining about are Ye's life after the Red Coast base, which it seems they left out in order to make her a less sympathetic character, and a few of the later scenes in the 3-Body video game.
I like it, its does frame the questions in a pretty entertaining way even if it’s just a gateway to people asking more questions about the actual theories and the production is very good.
I haven’t read the books but since it’s china centric I can see the Chinese names getting on my nerves eventually
>netflix slop good, me like ik ook
I think it's good and, in complete honesty, I think those guys will be fine since they won't run out of books this time.
How is it good? It has story beats like sophons, but it doesn't have any time to develop them. Instead, it spends time on characters... Who also don't develop. The most development is Will/Yun going whoops, I guess I can buy a star for my oneitis now - which is perfectly inline with the books, but also doesn't even pay off in this season.
The sci-fi elements are just a backdrop for moronic characters now.
As a book reader, I see both the pace and composition being impressively bad; it takes talent to achieve this.
It's good. Better than the average Netflix adaptation. Some of the CGI looks shitty though.
If I wasn't an insane sociopath I'd probably get mad that people are associating the stupidity of netflix show with the book or Chinese show
5 seasons of book adapted kino
will they care about this show's ending?
>will they care about this show's ending?
They will probably change it.
Why would they change it? Game of Thrones only cratered it's ending because fatso never bothered writing the last books and they had to improvise.
I bet they will finish it in 3 seasons
I look forward to the scene where they put a woman in charge and within literally 10 minutes humanity collapses
I'm sure that won't change at all
>2 seconds in
>already some commie bullshit
I guess sci-fi is still an alien and bizarre concept to them
my favourite was when they reveal to the black guy he's a wallfacer at the public convention
Where it's embarrassing if he doesn't go up and accept the position
They already told the other 2 people
but not him
Why?
Simply so they can have the scene where he's shocked that he was chosen
Thats it
They could have had him be shocked in a scene prior to this where it's announced to him, but it wouldn't be "as epic"
Why is it more epic to have it be in the theatre or auditorium? I honestly don't know. Ask the writers
But think about it logically for even half a second and while this is a minor thing compared to everything else, it just shows how little they care about telling a proper story that makes any kind of sense at all
They literally tell you in the show that he's forced into the position on purpose, and they televise it so he can't walk it back.
nothing you said contradicts anything I said
my "why" was rhetorical
You just repeated what I said phrased differently
New thread
Get in here, you jerks