absolutely disheartening that the crew behind one of the most defining shows in Cartoon Network/Adult Swim history (cable history even) got the shit end of the stick later in life.
C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi, George Lowe's doesn't get much work anymore and has declining health, now even Andy Merrill can't catch a break.
>Be the smallest twig on a small branch of a media empire >Recycle old animation cells and adlib some jokes with your stoner intern friends >Decide to put it to air >Execs give it the OK because it literally costs nothing >Expect wealth
Not even saying they don’t deserve success, but the idea that they were going to make long term money from it is crazy. I mean what did you expect? Brak Show getting picked up for syndication?
>make a show on the cheap >like literally in a closet >it's a huge hit >11 seasons, runs longer than a lot of actual talkshows >kickstarts a massively successful block in a timeslot that was typically considered a complete loss
Accomplishing a lot with basically nothing is exactly the sort of thing that you'd expect to result in longterm money.
>Be the smallest twig on a small branch of a media empire >Recycle old animation cells and adlib some jokes with your stoner intern friends >Decide to put it to air >Execs give it the OK because it literally costs nothing >Expect wealth
Not even saying they don’t deserve success, but the idea that they were going to make long term money from it is crazy. I mean what did you expect? Brak Show getting picked up for syndication?
Also it wasn't the smallest twig, it was a a fricking sapling that grew into a media empire.
People seem to forget that Space Ghost Coast to Coast was the first original cartoon ever featured on the Cartoon Network, before then they just aired reruns of decades old Hanna Barbara cartoons. Space Ghost Coast to Coast not only proved to be hugely influential and a lot of what we take for granted now like the absurdist humor. It was also the spring board for the careers of a plethora of writers and animators like Seth MacFarlane and his many projects. So many things like that, Adult Swim, and even Toonami, the chief reason anime exploded in popularity in the west, can all be traced back to Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.
You cannot under estimate how much influence the show had on western TV, let alone animation.
Its more complicated than that. While yes, that was the general prelude of the situation, with Merrill being hired during the formation of CN to assist with the the administrative aspects of programming and that snowballed into the creation of SGCTC with their limited budget and resources in the next few years, the aftermath, expectations, and career promises really impacted the lives of those creatives involved.
In the 90s, Turner (and then Warner later in the decade) were all about synergy and expected Cartoon Network, TBS, TMC, and other channels to play off each other for brand awareness. That's why Cartoon Planet was on multiple Turner owned channels (as well as stuff like Swat Kats, Captain Planet, Dexter's Lab, etc.) for a short amount of time. Then you had other ventures, like the comics (which Merrill wrote and produced), advertising and marketing (which Merrill assisted on), and merchandising (which Merrill had a slight hand in at the time, like the Music CDs), along with voice acting gigs, writing, and still doing other bureaucratic work.
Then in the early 00s (a few years after the AOL merger), after tons of work and promises of more to come (look at the cancelled projects he was attached to) new execs just came in and cleared house, essentially telling Merrill 'Thanks, we'll throw you a bone every now and again, but we don't want you." with less-powerful execs throwing him a few more life-lines.
I honestly think that had this happened in the early 00s, Merrill would have better footing. But he was blind-sided by people who supported him, and thown into an industry in chaos where even the old guard can't find a living without pulling past connections (if that even works) and anything new being corporate controlled or scummy-content directed at brain-rot audiences to min-max views and ad-space sales against production costs.
And the corporate exploitation and vituperation against Merrill and crew only gets worse the more its scrutinzed.
Old CN had such a raw creative energy to it that it just doesn't have anymore. Working with low budgets and little creative oversight enabled the best in the people working there. The more corporate it got the worse it became.
They were not “the twig on a small branch of a media empire”. They made Adult Swim. Adult Swim would literally not exist today if Space Ghost Coast to Coast wasn’t a success. It’s still one of the best shows on Adult Swim. You are probably some California exec that likes discrediting they were and still are Adult Swim’s defining show. Get over yourself.
Cartoon Network has been fucjing over their creators for years. They're not Nick but they're still really bad. Just look at how they treated Craig and Genndy in the 2000s.
>Share heavy responsibility in creating an 11 season show >no wealth
Seems weird dude.
Why the frick am I doing better than Brak. I don't like hearing that.
Did you not see all the sponsors and cross promotions space ghost c2c got alone? With out SG:C2C we wouldn't have had Power Puff Girls, Dexter's Lab or Johnny Bravo.
>C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi
He didn't die from bad sushi, he had sushi and then he died of a disease that takes years to kill you.
I love old SGC2C but from the accounts I've heard of him, C Martin was probably mentally ill, did a lot of drugs, and couldn't get his life together. I don't say that with malice, I think he was an insanely creative, passionate guy, but he constantly offered to do work for free, spent tons of money he didn't have on toys and production work of old cartoons, and the people he hung around with the most at the end of his life were half his age.
Again, I don't say this to shit on the guy. I actually think it's way more tragic this way. He was like a kid in an adult body. He needed help and nobody noticed.
You're reading the summary of his last day alive and putting causation to correlation.
So he ate bad sushi years before and died due to that?
He ate sushi with a friend of his, and complained he was feeling ill. He went out to the parking lot, collapsed and died before the ambulance arrived. It was later discovered he had an infection that could have easily been been prevented if he took very basic care of himself, and cured if he had gone to the hospital within the years it takes to become lethal. But he wasn't, and he didn't. It's so fricking sad, man.
So he was fricking rotting on the inside and didn't know it? What the absolute frick, that's horrifying
So what did he die from specifically, Wikipedia doesn't say.
Sepsis?
Didn't he not have any medical insurance because he couldn't afford it? I remember reading an article somewhere around the time he died that said something about that.
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He was freelancing IIRC, so it's not like he could pay insurance through an emploter.
Good lord, man, this is so depressing to read. I wonder why Andy is now an Amazon deliveryman, why can't he get other voice acting gigs? Brak is also a painfully underused character.
They recasted Zorak and Moltar because C. Martin Crocker had been dead for 8 years, man. That's why only George Lowe and Andy returned.
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I know, I was just saying there’s nothing stopping them from just doing another in house show with Andy.
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Ah, my bad. I do wish they did a new Brak show, even if aimed at kids.
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honestly a goofy kid friendly Brak show would be pretty based
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Brak himself in his randomness was aimed at kids in Cartoon Planet as we all know, it's his natural element. Sometimes I feel the OG Brak Show would've fared better as a regular CN thing rather than Adult Swim.
>and the people he hung around with the most at the end of his life were half his age. >Again, I don't say this to shit on the guy. I actually think it's way more tragic this way. He was like a kid in an adult body.
I think this shouldn't be seen as a bad thing if handled responsibly. I say this with the hope that the lifespans of my gen and younger are actually 180+ years with 2050s medicine.
>I say this with the hope that the lifespans of my gen and younger are actually 180+ years with 2050s medicine.
We're all full of microplastics and carcinogens already, so that is hilariously optimistic. As things are going right now, only the super wealthy could expect any significant lifespan increase. We've fricked up the oceans and soil so badly you'd need to engineer a closed ecosystem to not be eating plastic every day. All of our food and drink contains "acceptable levels" of poisons, because the people producing them are constantly trying to cut any corner they can in order to make a little more money. Capitalism will not let humanity flourish.
Sorry zoomer, I hate to break it to you but you're not the first generation to think they're on the cusp of near- immortality.
Besides that, how do you think your quality of life will be as an eternal 60+year old? People hit 30 and already complain about joint pain. Life lengthening treatments only dull pain with medicine, not fix issues.
And think your gen will be fun to hang around when you're 150+ and sustained on a slurry of liquids and a wienertail of medicines keeping you alive? While being in debt to pharmaceutical to squeak out a few more years of talking about cartoons you grew up with in your government super-centenarian camp with other aging millenials and zoomers.
I had a friend who used to table cons and knew him. I think he hung around younger people more because that's just the scene he was in, lots of younger artists mingle with older ones and most of his older friends seem to be work friends. And he wasn't getting work. Moreover the people he worked for were screwing him over. Yeah he might've been bad with money or taking care of his health, but that's not necessarily mental illness.
One of my regrets in life is not getting to meet Crocker at a con. I heard he would talk to fans and draw anything for shits and giggles. He even drew porn commissions. I would've sent him an email since he responded to those but had no idea at the time. He seemed cool as shit.
Do you have anything on Hy Angst/Detective Doctor?
>C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi
He didn't die from bad sushi, he had sushi and then he died of a disease that takes years to kill you.
I love old SGC2C but from the accounts I've heard of him, C Martin was probably mentally ill, did a lot of drugs, and couldn't get his life together. I don't say that with malice, I think he was an insanely creative, passionate guy, but he constantly offered to do work for free, spent tons of money he didn't have on toys and production work of old cartoons, and the people he hung around with the most at the end of his life were half his age.
Again, I don't say this to shit on the guy. I actually think it's way more tragic this way. He was like a kid in an adult body. He needed help and nobody noticed.
>and then he died of a disease that takes years to kill you.
What disease?
I heard he was just a high functioning autistic, so basically one of us. It really just comes down to AS trying to find ways to be cheap. Half the people involved with AS keep getting screwed, funny how that works
This perfectly describes an aging stoner. They always act like they are in their mid 20s, and pretty much mostly hang out with other people in their mid 20s. Everyone else stops doing the stoner thing and quit wanting to hang out at places and smoke weed after a while, leaving the few aging ones to hang out with the 20 somethings.
It happened to folks who made the cartoon cartoons too. I feel like of all the creators, only Genndy and Feiss went on to having careers you could define as stable.
>Be the smallest twig on a small branch of a media empire >Recycle old animation cells and adlib some jokes with your stoner intern friends >Decide to put it to air >Execs give it the OK because it literally costs nothing >Expect wealth
Not even saying they don’t deserve success, but the idea that they were going to make long term money from it is crazy. I mean what did you expect? Brak Show getting picked up for syndication?
too be honest, Clay deserved more but Merrill isn't funny
The Brak Show was fricking shit no-one liked it, that's why he had to get a real job, that's the real world buddy.
Coast 2 Coast, Cartoon Planet, The Brak Show and that other Brak musical thing was the shit back in the late 90's. People really seemed to like Brak. I wasn't really into The Brak Show but people did like and watch it.
I do agree that a VA expecting their lives to be secured just because they got a good gig 20 years ago is pretty dumb.
yeah but he had a media communications degree. before and after Brak Show, he worked on the operation side of CN and even helped launch boomerang. you'd think they'd at least keep him on as a programmer. sheesh.
Honestly, a job driving around to other people's houses is better than picking fruit outside in scorching heat, working with an assembly line, or being stuck in a sweatshop.
Yea it follows the usual trash in media nowadays. "The man does something good, he should do something different because the upstart girl tells him to. Girl destroys everything he built."
absolutely disheartening that the crew behind one of the most defining shows in Cartoon Network/Adult Swim history (cable history even) got the shit end of the stick later in life.
C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi, George Lowe's doesn't get much work anymore and has declining health, now even Andy Merrill can't catch a break.
really makes me want to scream how awful [adult swim] actually is but it's too "cool guy" online for people to care
Cartoon Network was the red headed step child of the Turner Networks and Adult Swim was the bastard child of that. CN was always really cheap with the money being funneled into CNN and TNT and TBS. The reason CN shows never look as good as Nick shows did was because Nick was paying for shows to be well animated while CN was doing the HB method of churning out minimalist crap to take up TV time. Even when Adult Swim was selling shitloads of merch, that money wasn't going back into AS. >Even so
I would like to see AS shows get syndicated. Imagine Aqua Teen and Tim and Eric coming on after the news.
It would be hilarious, and it would probably do well because its along the lines of the type of shows that adult swim did that made them popular in the first place.
Sadly, adult swim doesn't want that kind of show anymore.
>Sadly, adult swim doesn't want that kind of show anymore.
What the frick do they show? I know they have 'toonami' as a nostalgia cash in on anime, but that's it.
Rick and Morty. Smiling friends. They got a few new seasons of ATHF but thats all I remember. I couldn't tell you anymore than that. They are really hesitant to use any Hanna-Barbera properties like they used too because CN has been trying to create a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe thing for awhile (Look at Scoob, Jellystone, etc) so they don't want their precious IPs appearing and doing something filthy (and actually funny) on adult swim.
The MCU has been a disaster for Cinema and the human race.
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>Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe
We already had that, it was Space Ghost: Coast to Coast and Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law.
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>Jellystone
Unironically showed more respect to Andy and his work than that bastard Lazzo ever did.
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>They are really hesitant to use any Hanna-Barbera properties like they used too because CN has been trying to create a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe thing for awhile
I remember reading that they didn't use HB characters in the Harvey Birdman revival special years before Scoob came out because they thought people didn't know who they were anymore.
Has-been old supervillains that failed to conquer the world, or cartoon characters from 60 years ago that had to go get real jobs is already a pretty good plot hook.
Poor Brak, after all that he got the bad end. Gen Xrs really got a raw deal, even when they succeeded. At least he has a job. I'm running out on the last of my savings, and keep getting bullshitted by recruiters.
I am completely jealous. I should have bought Space Ghost merch when I had the chance.
SIGH! RIP Croker, and I just KNOW George is on his last legs.
>Jellystone
Unironically showed more respect to Andy and his work than that bastard Lazzo ever did.
Reminds me of when K K.O.! Let's Be Heroes did a homage to captain planet and actually played thing straight.
Only to have the episode end by saying all your individual actions to help the environment won't save anything because the pollution done by corporations has totally fricked the Earth and Captain Planet is resigned to his fate that he's lost. [spoiler]But they they then did a usual Captain Planet message in the style of the show. That slightly softened the blow[/spoiler]
Its more complicated than that. While yes, that was the general prelude of the situation, with Merrill being hired during the formation of CN to assist with the the administrative aspects of programming and that snowballed into the creation of SGCTC with their limited budget and resources in the next few years, the aftermath, expectations, and career promises really impacted the lives of those creatives involved.
In the 90s, Turner (and then Warner later in the decade) were all about synergy and expected Cartoon Network, TBS, TMC, and other channels to play off each other for brand awareness. That's why Cartoon Planet was on multiple Turner owned channels (as well as stuff like Swat Kats, Captain Planet, Dexter's Lab, etc.) for a short amount of time. Then you had other ventures, like the comics (which Merrill wrote and produced), advertising and marketing (which Merrill assisted on), and merchandising (which Merrill had a slight hand in at the time, like the Music CDs), along with voice acting gigs, writing, and still doing other bureaucratic work.
Then in the early 00s (a few years after the AOL merger), after tons of work and promises of more to come (look at the cancelled projects he was attached to) new execs just came in and cleared house, essentially telling Merrill 'Thanks, we'll throw you a bone every now and again, but we don't want you." with less-powerful execs throwing him a few more life-lines.
I honestly think that had this happened in the early 00s, Merrill would have better footing. But he was blind-sided by people who supported him, and thown into an industry in chaos where even the old guard can't find a living without pulling past connections (if that even works) and anything new being corporate controlled or scummy-content directed at brain-rot audiences to min-max views and ad-space sales against production costs.
And the corporate exploitation and vituperation against Merrill and crew only gets worse the more its scrutinzed.
Dude's based.
Rip
George Lowe has fallen into bad health, but he seems to be hanging in there.
His voice has taken a toll from his bad health and age.
🙂
I was watching the Brak show yesterday and looked up the Jellystone episode this morning before finding this thread and finding out that Andy Merill, who was such a force in early Adultswim has a wagie job when he should be an CN/AS executive is such a punch to the gut. You'd think they'd at least have the decency to keep Brak around as a mascot and do a segment every week or at least bumpers. Same with George Lowe.
Warner does not give a SHIT about talent, and that extends to CN. Everyone involved in their best works got fricked. Everyone. All the way back to Chuck Jones. It's all made in spite of the company. Since climbing the ladder is basically impossible, Warner stuff tends to attract more "frick you I do what I want" types.
No, the VAs were paid shit because they did not have any contracts or stipulations with anyone to pay them more based on success or increase pay for later seasons. They were a grouping of low paid nobodies in the ad and bumper department of Cartoon Network that were given a chance to make some late night content. They were never offered better positions or salaries for it. So they ended up making several seasons of a show and were paid lowly ad bumper nobody money for their trouble.
This is why most actors, writers, animators, etc are in such aggressive unions. Because studios routinely frick over employees all the time like this. If they can keep someone near minimum wage, on a show that is drawing serious numbers and revenue, they will do it and never think twice about it. Especially if there is no union or contract to force a change.
>This is why most actors, writers, animators, etc are in such aggressive unions. Because studios routinely frick over employees all the time like this.
This is shitty. I have friends trying to do their own thing that are limited in the work they can do because they aren't and can't use union labor, but this opened my eyes as to why they exist beyond rentseeking or gatekeeping.
I guess this is a matter of everyone has to keep fighting for themselves because the moment they stop, they get ripped apart. Frick, seems simple to think about it now.
For a reason. All the pro-Union states are now hallowed out thanks to a parasitic second corporation trying to "bargain" with the first corporation, and the first corporation taking its ball and going to China.
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That's just capitalism being capitalism where the powers at be conspire with each other to carve out territory. Unions don't even factor into it or get weakened to the point they're non issues since monopolies are just the natural end game for capitalism.
Though sometimes you see workers punching back and the ruling class lose their shit. Like the Volkswagen Tennessee plant on the cusp of unionizing which resulted in 6 separate republican governors, including Georgia, putting out a joint statement freaking out over it.
It would be nice if republican states had strong unions like California since as
No, the VAs were paid shit because they did not have any contracts or stipulations with anyone to pay them more based on success or increase pay for later seasons. They were a grouping of low paid nobodies in the ad and bumper department of Cartoon Network that were given a chance to make some late night content. They were never offered better positions or salaries for it. So they ended up making several seasons of a show and were paid lowly ad bumper nobody money for their trouble.
This is why most actors, writers, animators, etc are in such aggressive unions. Because studios routinely frick over employees all the time like this. If they can keep someone near minimum wage, on a show that is drawing serious numbers and revenue, they will do it and never think twice about it. Especially if there is no union or contract to force a change.
said, the actors, writers, animators have extremely aggressive Unions with SAG-AFTRA and WAG going on strike because the producers refused to give actors and writers residuals for streaming and their plan to use AI to just outright replace actors and writers, and it was settled in the workers favor. Strength in numbers means something still.
If people like Andy and George belonged to something like SAG (now SAG-AFTRA), I'm 99% sure they'd be complaining about dues, but they'd still be getting residuals and royalties from their work and they'd definitely be better off.
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If Andy and George belonged to SAG, they'd be complaining that their voices are being replaced by AI.
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SAG is the reason they weren't replaced by AI you moron.
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But they are, though, lmao.
They're not finding work and b***hing about various roles being filled by AI, you need to be a big name to not be replaced - yet.
This is the fundamental problem. Unions are hostile to management to an extent that management eventually gives up and says "congratulations, you're ALL fired". What does the Union do then? Strike? Oh wait, they're fired already. Oh well, we'll get em next time. Meanwhile the union heads are all moving on to political positions. Same thing happened to US Steel.
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Well yeah, unions are anti capitalist Communism invented by Communists to frick up the US economy.
I always love the Republican corporate bootlicker logic you run here. >If you don't let corporations frick you in the ass constantly, by taking away the money you earned and benefits, they'll just outsource your jobs
As much as Republicans have outsourced every production job to China as they could, they can't do that with entertainment, so they tried to undermine everyone with AI. Which is what the giant strike last year was about and why the corporations caved and now the contracts say they can't use their actor's likeness or voices for AI.
But in Republican clown world, this is defeat for the workers and actors because it means they're going to get replaced by AI anyway? SAG-AFTRA would have kept Andy and George out of living in the dumpster instead of forcing to live the Republican dream of being pumped and dumped by corporations.
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>bring up left / right crap in space ghost thread
boomer b gone
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Just calling out why George and Andy got fricked over and the morons trying to defend what happened to them.
That ain't left verse right, it's right verses wrong.
Just so happens right is wrong and we could make a space ghost skit out of that wordplay
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You're bringing me down, Man!
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YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH! Our ratings!
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When you take these greedy actions and pin a political party to them you legitimatize them as ideology rather than a crime. Instead of spreading awareness, you are generating defenders for what you are against.
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When one side is the one that defends and enables them, it's a morale duty to call them out. It's this both sides bullshit that has helped ruined this country.
A blast from a power band is much more effective than an open hand.
The "Lazzo hates SGC2C" thing is something people completely divorce of context. When The Eric Andre Show was in early production, Eric grabbed the complete run of SGC2C and marathoned it on repeat because he wanted to capture as much of the show's essence as possible. Then, he tracked Lazzo down and started badgering him about how influential the show had been to his own sense of humor. When he started bringing up specific episodes and trying to ask in-depth about what made specific scenes of SGC2C tick, Lazzo got fed up and said the "Space Ghost is dead to me" line. It's not a story of Lazzo being embarrassed about old work; it's a story about Lazzo telling the new guy that he should focus on making new shit instead of trying to learn how to make something that was already made. If the creator moved on to new projects, obviously, you should, too.
Why do people on the internet, without fail, always gravitate toward the "actually X creator fricking hates the thing they worked on" narrative when most of the time it isn't true.
I think it must be some kind of projection on their part mixed with regurgitating things they've heard without evidence from other anons who heard it from somewhere else and so on.
It's a defense mechanism. If the creator of the thing you like turns his back on the fandom and disavows the work completely, you don't have to reflect on why you're so much more heavily invested than the people that made the thing. If they moved on, why haven't you?
>They came from different worlds >Then they kidnapped *Jon Benjamin* and took him to *someone's* apartment >And that's when they started making... >UNREASONABLE DEMANDS!
I don't remember episode names but I still have my season 1 (or it might have been season 2) dvd of space ghost and I think the one I still quote to this day is the one with Bobcat Goldthwait.
"Wow Space Ghost! Man! Crack a window will ya!"
I am starting to believe its true she was raped into become a lesbian at disney when misteries was being shot, by the producers there.
The eyes always tells the truth.
Oh NOW I get it. When I was a teenager watching this on AS in the early 2000s, I did not get the joke at all and thought it was just dumb. Now it's gunny.
Frankly, I was expecting this stream to be a sticky either here or on Cinemaphile. It was the genesis of a tv station/block/subculture, but the stream itself is probably on the way out by this point.
i remember seeing this on a lot as a little kid when i woke up early in the morning and being fascinated by it. i find it pretty much unwatchable now, the humor just doesn't work for me at all, but i'll still always have a soft spot for SGCTC. love the theme song
He didn't brag about it, he sarcastically said something like "Look it's me the guy that killed Phil Hartman" as a joke because of the rumors. Your source on these stories is Joe Rogan anon, reconsider.
>Your source on these stories is Joe Rogan anon, reconsider.
Anon it's been a story since before Joe Rogan even had a podcast, I remember hearing that incident in the 2000's, before his podcast launched
Rogan is the person IN the story who told Lovitz Dick was involved. He did it because he's a closeted homosexual and Dick's gay jokes towards him made him uncomfortable.
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Not the way Lovitz told the story 20 years ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lovitz-speaks-out-on-dustup-with-andy-dick/
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I might be missing it, but while Andy was a druggie, Lovitz probably shouldn't had boldly blaimed Andy killed Phil?
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It wasn't really a point of contention. Andy openly joked about being responsible (in an indirect, not legally binding way) for years.
Charitably even if he had nothing to do with it, he still owned it/used it to make fun of one of Hartman's friends. Andy is also a piece of shit in every other aspect so even if he was completely innocent of any wrongdoing he's still a shithead.
Considering how many 90s shows have been revived in the past few years I'm surprised this hasn't gotten a reboot. It would be shit but that's besides the point. The OG is kino.
I wouldn't do a new show but something like the Cartoon Planet reboot as some sort of replacement for the bumps with Brak and Space Ghost would be great but even that is super unlikely.
Before the cable company my parents had got Cartoon Network in 1996. I was watching Coast to Coast and Cartoon Planet with cartoons on TBS. I loved and still love it's charm. I've lost my VHS recordings but I still have the CDs.
>Anything happen? >Let me check. I think some money came in. >Really? Hang on. Ahem. I TOO BANGED A DOG UP THE ASS-- >PLEASE STAND BY >Oh come on Moltar it's not like it was alive or anything. >They can kick you off the air for that kind of shit. I mean um stuff. >When did you become such a puritan
leading to a line I used to shout while stoned or drunk and people were arguing: >CALM DOWN WITH THIS RELIGION
>Pull up 1st ep of C2C >Space Ghost: Susan what's your secret ID? >Susan Powter: I'm transsexual >Space Ghost: Reeealllly? >Space Ghost: Got any superpowers? >Susan: Female intuition the most powerful thing in the universe. >Space Ghost: Yeeeaaah right. Is this something I'll have to stop? >Susan: You're gonna have to battle us.
I'm annoyed that George Lowe didn't get more work in all these years. A lot of Space Ghost C2C hinges on the writing but he really has amazing delivery.
Can we have a good thread about this highly influential and great show that doesn’t devolve into Kiwifarm tier drama threads about the e-celebs who worked in this show
boy david zaslav did a great job on space ghost coast to coast
Can we have a good thread about this highly influential and great show that doesn’t devolve into Kiwifarm tier drama threads about the e-celebs who worked in this show
Me too but I recognize it as proto-Adult Swim. It doesn't feel right to say AS started with SGC2C because 1) All the same people worked on the Moxy Show and 2) AS didn't even have secret pilot episodes until 6 years later. If anything, Space Ghost C2C was the first show to have results for the suits that the people reading black and white comics and teenagers were both willing to watch a mock talk show dripping in pop culture references. It's just weird with how Ren and Stimpy (it was on Nick and MTV like Speed Racer,) Liquid Television, and Beavis and Butt-Head were doing for MTV and even how South Park was doing for Comedy Central a couple of years later that no one thought to make something like Adult Swim before 2001 that wasn't just "We showed two cartoons in a row FOR ADULTS? WE'RE SO WACKY!" like South Park and TV Funhouse being paired together. >I am grateful I got to live through the Lazzo Adult Swim days. Never again will such a channel exist.
Am I crazy or something? I remember this narrative that Andy Merrill was essentially just an overly involved CN exec that was doing a whole >How do you do, fellow kids?
routine. I don't think I ever believed it, but I definitely remember people blaming executive decisions and network agendas on him.
I can't imagine that was true if he's a truck driver out of necessity now.
Andy was in programming with Mike Lazzo and Keith Crawford. They would be the over involved suits who started SGC2C. Lazzo would be the Fellow Kids one of the bunch as Andy was fairly young when he went from CNN to Cartoon Network (like 26.)
Lazzo was always based like that. Between that story and some of the early Venture Bros. commentary tracks, the easiest way to get on his shit list was to get hung up the past instead of focusing on what you're doing now.
>get hung up on the past >cancel everything for new shit that immediately fizzles >keep auto approving venture bros seasons that takes years to come out >tell anime people to frick off and now anime dominates internet culture, let’s crap like crunchy roll take over >leaves the network with everything cancelled and baby shows playing 24/7
>>tell anime people to frick off and now anime dominates internet culture, let’s crap like crunchy roll take over
they could've had something if they kept with the Toonami Reactor/Jetstream/Adult swim Pipeline they could've had something, Limiting anime to once a week was a death knell for it because now a 52+ episode series will take years to catch up to where people would just download it online.
I think people don't realize Toonami was doing free online anime streaming in fricking 2001 and as late as the last year of the initial run. It pittered out after the block ended and switched to service Adult swim shows, but it could've been it's own service.
Lazzo was a fricking weird, constantly high, aging hipster douche that considered himself to be the god of all that is cool and trendy.
Because of that he was in some weird mindset of always wanting to be the one who invents the next big trend or be the cause behind the next big thing. This is why he had a total hatred of any old thing or old past project. He saw it as the antithesis of what he wanted to represent, the hip new big cool thing that everyone talks about. Imagine him more of a small town, local level big fish nobody who takes themself to be a high fashion designer equal to those in New York or Paris and creates weird confusing shit because it's interpretative and modern.
>small town, local level big fish nobody who takes themself to be a high fashion designer
Yep. It's exactly that level of delusion that [as] needed. Any sane person would've been told "you're handling the dead shift programming" and never spent more than 10 minutes per paycheck for the rest of their life.
Honestly, it makes sense when you compare his abilities to Ultraman. He resonates rather nicely. And with Kamen Rider since you could argue all his enemies are also "kaijin", human-sized monster-people.
I can't find anything on the matter.
He also hated how "Violent" comics were turning in the 60s, amidst the damn silver age, so I would imagine he wasn't a fan of the talk show either.
I think space ghost is an iconic design, but perhaps something more could have been done with the cowl. I think space ghost translates so well into the satire genre because the design is very 60's
I find it interesting there Zorak looks like he did in the 1960's Space Ghost comicbook. Probably they sent an issue or two as "reference material" or something.
That's pretty likely, a lot of those manga adaptations are just redraws of US comics. Lord Death-man from the batmanga, for example, if based off an american Batman comic
Has the Batmanga been translated? I need to check that one out.
And yeah, that reminds of of an Astroboy comicbook from the 60s which was also a redraw of one of the manga chapters. Funny how that works. I've heard DC also originally intended to redraw Akira, rather than to publish it colorized with assistance of the original author.
Space-themed superheroes were really popular around that time in Japan, just based on Mystery Science Theater 3000. Proto-tokusatsu stuff like Prince of Space, Invasion of the Neptune Men, and Attack from Space.
Truly a fantastic idea! Not only could it be an adaptation of the manga, but it could also be heavily influenced by 60s anime (especially those by Tatsunoko), with the possibility of being shown in Japanese with yellow subtitles, or in English as a way of parodying anime dubs of the time. It reminds me a little of Brave and the Bold's brief adaptation of Kuwata's Batman.
I think it would be suitable for Toonami, but in the format of shorts broadcast between commercials, always featuring an eye-catching intro at the beginning of each short, as if it were the main program returning from the commercial break. After the original airing, they could compile the shorts into a special with its own opening and ending, similar to what they've previously done with 'Night of the Living Doo'.
I've always thought that Toonami should include action shorts in the middle of its programming, similar to what DC Nation had, but with the possibility for the animators to use other Warner properties, or even introduce totally original characters. In this specific scenario, opting for Space Ghost would certainly resonate with the [adult swim] brand, of course.
On one hand I can sincerely praise lazzo as a pioneer and probably responsible for a cultural moment that has influenced popular culture to this day and beyond. But on the other hand I see a guy relentlessly burning bridges and lacking foresight. How do you frick up the anime thing that badly? And everyone he worked with is in their middle age struggling
>>tell anime people to frick off and now anime dominates internet culture, let’s crap like crunchy roll take over
they could've had something if they kept with the Toonami Reactor/Jetstream/Adult swim Pipeline they could've had something, Limiting anime to once a week was a death knell for it because now a 52+ episode series will take years to catch up to where people would just download it online.
I think people don't realize Toonami was doing free online anime streaming in fricking 2001 and as late as the last year of the initial run. It pittered out after the block ended and switched to service Adult swim shows, but it could've been it's own service.
Yea, just a heinous missed opportunity. And it’s not like he didn’t know, he just didn’t like anime. Duuuuuuur
>How do you frick up the anime thing that badly?
There was no winning move. It wasn't financially viable. Even back then, before it stopped being a niche interest, snagging the rights to an unproven, single-season series could cost over $100k plus percentages on the revenue. You didn't get DVD rights or merchandising rights as a part of that, and that's where the actual profits were (and still are. Toy lines are still the lifeline of cartoons, even if you can't legally talk about it.). Turner didn't give [as] enough money to play ball in those sectors. At the end of the agreement, you had either blown a ton of money on a failure or had picked a winner and now had to pay through the nose to keep the rights just so someone else could make the real money selling action figures.
The stuff they were making in-house cost ten times as much, at worst, but never had to be relicensed and came with free and permanent DVD and merchandising rights. It was safer and, even if it flopped, still helped them build up their catalog in the early years. That's a decision that's STILL paying off today.
Past like 2008/9, I don't even really know anyone who was watching anime mainly on Adult Swim
Like even when they got Evangelion, it was years after it was first a big deal and people had watched it through DVDs/torrents. Then the late 2000's was the era of youtube upload anime. There was just way more options outside of dripfeeding one dub episode a week.
Past like 2008/9, I don't even really know anyone who was watching anime mainly on Adult Swim
Like even when they got Evangelion, it was years after it was first a big deal and people had watched it through DVDs/torrents. Then the late 2000's was the era of youtube upload anime. There was just way more options outside of dripfeeding one dub episode a week.
Basically high speed internet became commonplace almost everywhere around 07-08 and then anime was easily found and plentiful for streaming/torrenting almost everywhere. It stopped being a hard to find, get it where you can, niche thing at that point.
No one was going to do well with an anime block after that point. Scifi channel making animondays came too late as well.
>Toy lines are still the lifeline of cartoons, even if you can't legally talk about it
U.S moron here, is there some specific law regarding kids media merch I don't know about? I assume at the very least you can't have an episode where the character faces the viewer and says "Please buy all my toys so I know you love me waaaa :("
>he can say crazy politically incorrect stuff
But because he's a comedy genius, he knows shit shouldn't be off-hands or lampooning. That's why people love him and the [as] originals.
Also it helps that they're actual jokes and not part of that batshit 'we need to weaponize comedy to own the libs' that has completely ruined conservative comedy.
Yeah, you can really hear how he doesn't sound so healthy when he reprises the voice in Jellystone. But it warms the wienerles of my heart that everyone in the comments section doesn't care, they're just happy he's doing the voice.
I really hope he's ok. His fascination with outsider art and his own art skills are interesting. Given his mom's era he might own the house outright, which is good, but without any other family seemingly and it seems like his income is limited.
His story about having to buy his mom a burial dress was so heavy on me. SGC2C and cartoon planet had such a huge impact on me as a kid, I had the music CDs and used to play them until my family was thoroughly annoyed. Lowe, Merrill, and Croker were all formative parts of my sense of humor and it's depressing to hear what bad luck they've all had.
I don't doubt he was and still is fricked up but if he felt game enough to reprise for Jellystone he's probably doing better than you might think. Unfortunately for all three of them it was mostly a labor of love, it sure as frick didn't pay the bills. I remember seeing George at Megacon in the early 00s and the dude's shitbox died from the trip from Atlanta to Orlando. Set up an impromptu donation drive where he'd pretty much record anything for you as SG so he could get enough cash to cover his repair costs.
So that's my local news, and I saw one that they did on Lowe's art collection, I didn't realize it was him, despite hearing them say "George Lowe" because of how rough he sound and frail at the time, worst than how he was in that video. They also didn't get into his profession as Space Ghost. It took some time for me to process that is was him. He's been a commentator a few times for that news station.
Shit, I picked the wrong image. Sorry about that, Cinemaphile. Supposedly there is a Spaniard version of Space Ghost Coast to Coast, where he interviews Spanish celebrities, but I can't find clips of it on YouTube.
In latinamerica there were the Copa Toon specials where in Spanish he would interview soccer professional players (mostly mexican I believe) and Brazil had their own too, with Brazillian players.
While I can't comment on the Brazillian episodes, the Spanish LatAm ones are perfectly on brand with both SGC2C and Planet Cartoon. Here's a sample.
What version of Fireant do you have? This is very important.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What's the difference between versions?
Bless.
Be sure to run the URLs through the 64 site and paste those codes instead, it makes things last longer.
Gotcha.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The original airing and DVD version runs 22 minutes. A rebroadcast shortened version which aired nearly a month after the original and is also found on streaming services runs 11 minutes.
1 month ago
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Also you can tell what version is being streamed right now on
by how pissed people get when it gets to that part.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Ah, I'm afraid this one runs 12 minutes. It's ripped from MAX before they took down the show.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The original airing and DVD version runs 22 minutes. A rebroadcast shortened version which aired nearly a month after the original and is also found on streaming services runs 11 minutes.
Hey, I found the full one. I'll add it to the Mega.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Where is the Mega link?
No ad filled bullshit link hosts, please. Just the mega
1 month ago
Anonymous
42% done. It's 11 GB, pls understand ripped from MAX.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Ah, I thought it was something that had already been posted, not something in process.
Don't worry about it then, you're doing good work.
1 month ago
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>11GB
Please tell me you aren't doing a single zip or rar and they're individual episodes or by season.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Individual episodes.
1 month ago
Anonymous
80%, almost done, with the added bonus of the full length Fire Ant episode I found elsewhere. Seems to be a DVDRip.
1 month ago
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Damn, still worth to upload everything else.
Anyone got the full episode?
1 month ago
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See
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Hey, I found the full one. I'll add it to the Mega.
Warren is there, albeit mislabelled as 5x06 by the ripper.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It was brought to my attention the Warren I had wasn't the full episode, much like the Conan episode it was tripped for MAX. I'm uploading the full now.
Don't know if you're adding anything else to this but here's some interviews they did at E3 2006
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My dream is that one day, we’ll get a Space Ghost Presidential Debate (where he literally moderates a debate between two actual presidential candidates)
I hate to be the resident annoying dweeb-in-chief, but Story Book (aka Story Book House) and Fire Drill are missing from S02, Glen Campbell is missing from S03, Mayonnaise + Brilliant Number One are missing from S04, and Mommentary: Creator's Commentary + Mommentary + Jelly Bean are missing from S07. That's all for now! Keep on scootin' in the truck world.
I can't believe Space Ghost is fricking dead...
Better poke him with a Nerds Rope just to be sure.
I hate to be the resident annoying dweeb-in-chief, but Story Book (aka Story Book House) and Fire Drill are missing from S02, Glen Campbell is missing from S03, Mayonnaise + Brilliant Number One are missing from S04, and Mommentary: Creator's Commentary + Mommentary + Jelly Bean are missing from S07. That's all for now! Keep on scootin' in the truck world.
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Better poke him with a Nerds Rope just to be sure.
It's been added. Hopefully that's all that was missing.
Dude was the face of the 90's cartoon network. Deserves all the best.
Also, the Dynamite Space Ghost comic is looking great. The redesign of Metalor and Brak are great.
People have this impression that if you work on tv/film, they you are clearly rich. Or if you are hurting, then that means you could not quite afford that summer home in Hawaii and had to settle for a summer home in Mexico instead.
It's impossible to ever claim you were a background artist on some show because no one will believe it and assume a background artist is a wealthy Hollywood celebrity. Not a $2K a week middle income job that only lasts about 5 months at a time, by someone that drives a tiny hatchback.
The DC one is good. The Scooby Doo crossover confirmed his villains brain washed him into thinking he was a talk show host. Dynamite's is looking kickass.
We think of the show being made with stock clips so much I think people don't realize the C Martin Croker could not only imitate the original style on his own, but animate it for new material as well.
That official stream is bullshit, it's just the same couple of hours repeated over and over.
Someone with a bigger brain and more work ethic than me should set up a stream with every episode and a chat so we can meme it up in real time.
>this can now air on adult swim
What do you mean by that?
Do they air old kids cartoons that are over X years old on [as] or something?
t. not American
They call it Checkered Past, an hour of old Cartoon Cartoon shows (Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc) that lead into Adult Swim proper. They playing to both older AS watchers who grew up with those shows as well as younger kids lingering past the watershed who've never seen them before
FIRST WE START WITH A GUITAR AND I GOES >WREEEEEE
AND THEN I GO >YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
AND THEN THE LADIES GO >WOOOOO
AND I GO >HOT MAMAS!
AND THEN THEY GIVE ME LOTS OF MONEY SO I CAN GO TO THE STORE AND BUY SOME APPLE JACKS BUT I CAN'T GET THE APPLE JACKS CAUSE THE SECRET SERVICE COMES IN AND THEY START HITTIN ME AND HITTIN ME
Have you ever been to Georgia? That's just what it's like. Every black kid that wants to get started at an actual career ends up with the basic b***h job that's below entry level. On one hand it sucks, but on the other hand those guys tend to be really cool dudes, which is why they get the non-job in the first place.
Reminds me of when they made some shitty CGI talk show in Australia in the mid 2000's and claimed it was the "world's first animated talk show host". Really got my teenage autism in a twist.
One of the best crossovers to ever happen was Space Ghost being in Batman Brave and the Bold, voiced by Gary Owens. And this was one of his last roles. I kinda wonder if Gary was originally considered to voice Space Ghost in Coast to Coast when you hear him doing radio work and commercials rather than the action hero voice he did.
>I kinda wonder if Gary was originally considered to voice Space Ghost in Coast to Coast
He was. There was a pilot made with him voicing Space Ghost:
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They didn't go with him for the rest of the series because they wanted to keep production local to Atlanta (and given how little of a budget they had, i assume he may have been too expensive as well).
There was an episode where Gary was actually the guest. It was about Space Ghost accosting a talking perverted fern tree fellow late night host about the "fake" Space Ghost he had on as a guest the previous night.
>the pilot episode was just them referencing other popular shows at the time >Zorak screams 'YOU EEDIOT' >S.G. goes 'DOH' >Brak and Sisto where Beavis and Butthead >Zorak, Moltar and S.G. appear in a theater watching a movie in sillouhette ala MST3K
I wonder if there will ever be a fan restoration project for the first pilot episode. Someone's got to have the CNN press junket Denzel Washington did for Malcolm X lying around somewhere.
Anyone have a mega or something? I'm downloading S1 and S2 torrents, but there doesn't appear to be a S3 pack yet (not being lazy here about downloading eps individually, but more interested in everything from the same source/uploader so the quality is the same, etc), and S01E21 seems to be missing from everywhere completely.
I wish Cartoon Planet was as well-remembered as Coast-to-Coast is. I still think about Brak's bologna sandwich song from time to time. Anyway, thanks for the good thread, bros.
I was gonna post it. Thanks anyway.
Poor Brak
absolutely disheartening that the crew behind one of the most defining shows in Cartoon Network/Adult Swim history (cable history even) got the shit end of the stick later in life.
C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi, George Lowe's doesn't get much work anymore and has declining health, now even Andy Merrill can't catch a break.
He's working as an Amazon delivery driver right now.
Christ they just do not take care of their people. What a shitshow.
>Be the smallest twig on a small branch of a media empire
>Recycle old animation cells and adlib some jokes with your stoner intern friends
>Decide to put it to air
>Execs give it the OK because it literally costs nothing
>Expect wealth
Not even saying they don’t deserve success, but the idea that they were going to make long term money from it is crazy. I mean what did you expect? Brak Show getting picked up for syndication?
>make a show on the cheap
>like literally in a closet
>it's a huge hit
>11 seasons, runs longer than a lot of actual talkshows
>kickstarts a massively successful block in a timeslot that was typically considered a complete loss
Accomplishing a lot with basically nothing is exactly the sort of thing that you'd expect to result in longterm money.
Also it wasn't the smallest twig, it was a a fricking sapling that grew into a media empire.
People seem to forget that Space Ghost Coast to Coast was the first original cartoon ever featured on the Cartoon Network, before then they just aired reruns of decades old Hanna Barbara cartoons. Space Ghost Coast to Coast not only proved to be hugely influential and a lot of what we take for granted now like the absurdist humor. It was also the spring board for the careers of a plethora of writers and animators like Seth MacFarlane and his many projects. So many things like that, Adult Swim, and even Toonami, the chief reason anime exploded in popularity in the west, can all be traced back to Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.
You cannot under estimate how much influence the show had on western TV, let alone animation.
Its more complicated than that. While yes, that was the general prelude of the situation, with Merrill being hired during the formation of CN to assist with the the administrative aspects of programming and that snowballed into the creation of SGCTC with their limited budget and resources in the next few years, the aftermath, expectations, and career promises really impacted the lives of those creatives involved.
In the 90s, Turner (and then Warner later in the decade) were all about synergy and expected Cartoon Network, TBS, TMC, and other channels to play off each other for brand awareness. That's why Cartoon Planet was on multiple Turner owned channels (as well as stuff like Swat Kats, Captain Planet, Dexter's Lab, etc.) for a short amount of time. Then you had other ventures, like the comics (which Merrill wrote and produced), advertising and marketing (which Merrill assisted on), and merchandising (which Merrill had a slight hand in at the time, like the Music CDs), along with voice acting gigs, writing, and still doing other bureaucratic work.
Then in the early 00s (a few years after the AOL merger), after tons of work and promises of more to come (look at the cancelled projects he was attached to) new execs just came in and cleared house, essentially telling Merrill 'Thanks, we'll throw you a bone every now and again, but we don't want you." with less-powerful execs throwing him a few more life-lines.
I honestly think that had this happened in the early 00s, Merrill would have better footing. But he was blind-sided by people who supported him, and thown into an industry in chaos where even the old guard can't find a living without pulling past connections (if that even works) and anything new being corporate controlled or scummy-content directed at brain-rot audiences to min-max views and ad-space sales against production costs.
And the corporate exploitation and vituperation against Merrill and crew only gets worse the more its scrutinzed.
Old CN had such a raw creative energy to it that it just doesn't have anymore. Working with low budgets and little creative oversight enabled the best in the people working there. The more corporate it got the worse it became.
And now that they've moved to Burbank that's basically the death knell.
The execs are sure fine with expecting wealth from it.
They were not “the twig on a small branch of a media empire”. They made Adult Swim. Adult Swim would literally not exist today if Space Ghost Coast to Coast wasn’t a success. It’s still one of the best shows on Adult Swim. You are probably some California exec that likes discrediting they were and still are Adult Swim’s defining show. Get over yourself.
Cartoon Network has been fucjing over their creators for years. They're not Nick but they're still really bad. Just look at how they treated Craig and Genndy in the 2000s.
>Share heavy responsibility in creating an 11 season show
>no wealth
Seems weird dude.
Why the frick am I doing better than Brak. I don't like hearing that.
Bootlicker
Cinemaphile do you know what that means and why people say it?
Did you not see all the sponsors and cross promotions space ghost c2c got alone? With out SG:C2C we wouldn't have had Power Puff Girls, Dexter's Lab or Johnny Bravo.
you're a homosexual and you deserve to be kicked in the balls
>C. Martin Croker barely got paid and died from bad sushi
He didn't die from bad sushi, he had sushi and then he died of a disease that takes years to kill you.
I love old SGC2C but from the accounts I've heard of him, C Martin was probably mentally ill, did a lot of drugs, and couldn't get his life together. I don't say that with malice, I think he was an insanely creative, passionate guy, but he constantly offered to do work for free, spent tons of money he didn't have on toys and production work of old cartoons, and the people he hung around with the most at the end of his life were half his age.
Again, I don't say this to shit on the guy. I actually think it's way more tragic this way. He was like a kid in an adult body. He needed help and nobody noticed.
And how did he get that disease? From eating the bad sushi.
So he ate bad sushi years before and died due to that?
You're reading the summary of his last day alive and putting causation to correlation.
He ate sushi with a friend of his, and complained he was feeling ill. He went out to the parking lot, collapsed and died before the ambulance arrived. It was later discovered he had an infection that could have easily been been prevented if he took very basic care of himself, and cured if he had gone to the hospital within the years it takes to become lethal. But he wasn't, and he didn't. It's so fricking sad, man.
So he was fricking rotting on the inside and didn't know it? What the absolute frick, that's horrifying
So what did he die from specifically, Wikipedia doesn't say.
Sepsis?
Didn't he not have any medical insurance because he couldn't afford it? I remember reading an article somewhere around the time he died that said something about that.
He was freelancing IIRC, so it's not like he could pay insurance through an emploter.
Good lord, man, this is so depressing to read. I wonder why Andy is now an Amazon deliveryman, why can't he get other voice acting gigs?
Brak is also a painfully underused character.
Because there are no voice acting gigs to be had in Atlanta.
Andy also got divorced. They recasted Zorak and moltar for jellytown, just do a new series. It’s not like they pay the VAs anything
They recasted Zorak and Moltar because C. Martin Crocker had been dead for 8 years, man. That's why only George Lowe and Andy returned.
I know, I was just saying there’s nothing stopping them from just doing another in house show with Andy.
Ah, my bad. I do wish they did a new Brak show, even if aimed at kids.
honestly a goofy kid friendly Brak show would be pretty based
Brak himself in his randomness was aimed at kids in Cartoon Planet as we all know, it's his natural element. Sometimes I feel the OG Brak Show would've fared better as a regular CN thing rather than Adult Swim.
>and the people he hung around with the most at the end of his life were half his age.
>Again, I don't say this to shit on the guy. I actually think it's way more tragic this way. He was like a kid in an adult body.
I think this shouldn't be seen as a bad thing if handled responsibly. I say this with the hope that the lifespans of my gen and younger are actually 180+ years with 2050s medicine.
>I say this with the hope that the lifespans of my gen and younger are actually 180+ years with 2050s medicine.
We're all full of microplastics and carcinogens already, so that is hilariously optimistic. As things are going right now, only the super wealthy could expect any significant lifespan increase. We've fricked up the oceans and soil so badly you'd need to engineer a closed ecosystem to not be eating plastic every day. All of our food and drink contains "acceptable levels" of poisons, because the people producing them are constantly trying to cut any corner they can in order to make a little more money. Capitalism will not let humanity flourish.
Careful there anon. Any criticism towards Capital C is not welcomed here.
You're posting on Cinemaphile, you fricking moron.
Sorry zoomer, I hate to break it to you but you're not the first generation to think they're on the cusp of near- immortality.
Besides that, how do you think your quality of life will be as an eternal 60+year old? People hit 30 and already complain about joint pain. Life lengthening treatments only dull pain with medicine, not fix issues.
And think your gen will be fun to hang around when you're 150+ and sustained on a slurry of liquids and a wienertail of medicines keeping you alive? While being in debt to pharmaceutical to squeak out a few more years of talking about cartoons you grew up with in your government super-centenarian camp with other aging millenials and zoomers.
wtf are you on about
I had a friend who used to table cons and knew him. I think he hung around younger people more because that's just the scene he was in, lots of younger artists mingle with older ones and most of his older friends seem to be work friends. And he wasn't getting work. Moreover the people he worked for were screwing him over. Yeah he might've been bad with money or taking care of his health, but that's not necessarily mental illness.
One of my regrets in life is not getting to meet Crocker at a con. I heard he would talk to fans and draw anything for shits and giggles. He even drew porn commissions. I would've sent him an email since he responded to those but had no idea at the time. He seemed cool as shit.
Do you have anything on Hy Angst/Detective Doctor?
>and then he died of a disease that takes years to kill you.
What disease?
I'll tell you if you make me a Chocolate Choo Choo. It tastes like candy.
done
thanks. it was alcoholism.
I heard he was just a high functioning autistic, so basically one of us. It really just comes down to AS trying to find ways to be cheap. Half the people involved with AS keep getting screwed, funny how that works
This perfectly describes an aging stoner. They always act like they are in their mid 20s, and pretty much mostly hang out with other people in their mid 20s. Everyone else stops doing the stoner thing and quit wanting to hang out at places and smoke weed after a while, leaving the few aging ones to hang out with the 20 somethings.
It happened to folks who made the cartoon cartoons too. I feel like of all the creators, only Genndy and Feiss went on to having careers you could define as stable.
What about Craig McCracken?
What has Feiss done since C&C?
He did another pilot for CN years ago before leaving, then he worked on Open Season and YooHoo and Friends.
Yeah, I don't think his career is stable like Tartakovsky's or McCracken's then... I do hope he succeeds though, I loved C&C and I Am Weasle.
He's had a lot of continuous work but not as much being a director. Still a lot more than sadly it seems all the old William Street core got.
Feiss is a regular worker in the theatrical animation industry, working as storyboard artist or director ever since Open Season.
What happened to him?
He's an Amazon delivery guy now.
too be honest, Clay deserved more but Merrill isn't funny
The Brak Show was fricking shit no-one liked it, that's why he had to get a real job, that's the real world buddy.
I liked The Brak Show.
Coast 2 Coast, Cartoon Planet, The Brak Show and that other Brak musical thing was the shit back in the late 90's. People really seemed to like Brak. I wasn't really into The Brak Show but people did like and watch it.
I do agree that a VA expecting their lives to be secured just because they got a good gig 20 years ago is pretty dumb.
yeah but he had a media communications degree. before and after Brak Show, he worked on the operation side of CN and even helped launch boomerang. you'd think they'd at least keep him on as a programmer. sheesh.
CN Programming these days is just "Spam TTG and baby shows all day"
At the same time, who the hell still watches network cable TV?
In a sense SGC2C was the original (and better) TTG
You sound like someone who feeds three hams to fish.
>some say he grew a beard... and still lives here... but that's A DAMN LIE
>I LOVE MY ARMS! THAT'S WHERE MY HANDS LIVE!
I just want you to know that you're a homosexual and everyone hates you.
Poor guy but it seems pretty rude to insult Amazon delivery people. It’s not such a bad job
Honestly, a job driving around to other people's houses is better than picking fruit outside in scorching heat, working with an assembly line, or being stuck in a sweatshop.
Dude's based.
I am just glad that i didn't watch that movie. Would have wasted my hard earn money.
Yea it follows the usual trash in media nowadays. "The man does something good, he should do something different because the upstart girl tells him to. Girl destroys everything he built."
really makes me want to scream how awful [adult swim] actually is but it's too "cool guy" online for people to care
Cartoon Network was the red headed step child of the Turner Networks and Adult Swim was the bastard child of that. CN was always really cheap with the money being funneled into CNN and TNT and TBS. The reason CN shows never look as good as Nick shows did was because Nick was paying for shows to be well animated while CN was doing the HB method of churning out minimalist crap to take up TV time. Even when Adult Swim was selling shitloads of merch, that money wasn't going back into AS.
>Even so
I would like to see AS shows get syndicated. Imagine Aqua Teen and Tim and Eric coming on after the news.
Rip
Andy should pitch a series about a washed up, older Brak who can't live at his parents anymore having to take on shitty jobs.
Unironically would watch
I'd be fine with this production value
What would the format be?
I hope Andy realizes a show about Brak doing delivery truck jobs would be hilarious. Just toss in a song between each skit, cartoon planet style
Would it be rude if Cinemaphilemrades shot a DM at him and nudged the idea at him?
It would be hilarious, and it would probably do well because its along the lines of the type of shows that adult swim did that made them popular in the first place.
Sadly, adult swim doesn't want that kind of show anymore.
>Sadly, adult swim doesn't want that kind of show anymore.
What the frick do they show? I know they have 'toonami' as a nostalgia cash in on anime, but that's it.
Rick and Morty. Smiling friends. They got a few new seasons of ATHF but thats all I remember. I couldn't tell you anymore than that. They are really hesitant to use any Hanna-Barbera properties like they used too because CN has been trying to create a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe thing for awhile (Look at Scoob, Jellystone, etc) so they don't want their precious IPs appearing and doing something filthy (and actually funny) on adult swim.
The MCU has been a disaster for Cinema and the human race.
>Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe
We already had that, it was Space Ghost: Coast to Coast and Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law.
>Jellystone
Unironically showed more respect to Andy and his work than that bastard Lazzo ever did.
>They are really hesitant to use any Hanna-Barbera properties like they used too because CN has been trying to create a Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe thing for awhile
I remember reading that they didn't use HB characters in the Harvey Birdman revival special years before Scoob came out because they thought people didn't know who they were anymore.
Has-been old supervillains that failed to conquer the world, or cartoon characters from 60 years ago that had to go get real jobs is already a pretty good plot hook.
Dick Dasterly Does Door Dash sound fun to watch
WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNIVERSE WE'RE ALL SHAREHOLDERS
ABSIGHDSRUDFHBFGSJDIVBMNHHDE
Poor Brak, after all that he got the bad end. Gen Xrs really got a raw deal, even when they succeeded. At least he has a job. I'm running out on the last of my savings, and keep getting bullshitted by recruiters.
I am completely jealous. I should have bought Space Ghost merch when I had the chance.
SIGH! RIP Croker, and I just KNOW George is on his last legs.
Andy just got an offer to be a KFC General Manager.
Holy shit, I should ask if the con I work for can book him.
Guy deserves a lot better than working a wage slave job.
People should rally [AS] to bring the brak show back or do something with him.
They did in Jellystone recently. It was very soulful.
Reminds me of when K K.O.! Let's Be Heroes did a homage to captain planet and actually played thing straight.
Only to have the episode end by saying all your individual actions to help the environment won't save anything because the pollution done by corporations has totally fricked the Earth and Captain Planet is resigned to his fate that he's lost. [spoiler]But they they then did a usual Captain Planet message in the style of the show. That slightly softened the blow[/spoiler]
>brak has to resort to being a wagie
It’s not fair bros
I was watching the Brak show yesterday and looked up the Jellystone episode this morning before finding this thread and finding out that Andy Merill, who was such a force in early Adultswim has a wagie job when he should be an CN/AS executive is such a punch to the gut. You'd think they'd at least have the decency to keep Brak around as a mascot and do a segment every week or at least bumpers. Same with George Lowe.
Warner does not give a SHIT about talent, and that extends to CN. Everyone involved in their best works got fricked. Everyone. All the way back to Chuck Jones. It's all made in spite of the company. Since climbing the ladder is basically impossible, Warner stuff tends to attract more "frick you I do what I want" types.
This has such a laid back vibe; is there anything else like it?
FIRE ANT
Oh it's the short version
Is this what the Eric Andre show is like?
He took inspiration from it because he's a huge fan of the show.
you would think they'd draw more attention to it. Miss these times.
I won't say he's inferior, i'll just say his was different. not the same.
I miss it.
iirc the CN staff (lazzo especially) were really embarrassed over it existing and choose not to mention it or pay the VAs who worked on it
overkill much?
No, the VAs were paid shit because they did not have any contracts or stipulations with anyone to pay them more based on success or increase pay for later seasons. They were a grouping of low paid nobodies in the ad and bumper department of Cartoon Network that were given a chance to make some late night content. They were never offered better positions or salaries for it. So they ended up making several seasons of a show and were paid lowly ad bumper nobody money for their trouble.
This is why most actors, writers, animators, etc are in such aggressive unions. Because studios routinely frick over employees all the time like this. If they can keep someone near minimum wage, on a show that is drawing serious numbers and revenue, they will do it and never think twice about it. Especially if there is no union or contract to force a change.
>This is why most actors, writers, animators, etc are in such aggressive unions. Because studios routinely frick over employees all the time like this.
This is shitty. I have friends trying to do their own thing that are limited in the work they can do because they aren't and can't use union labor, but this opened my eyes as to why they exist beyond rentseeking or gatekeeping.
I guess this is a matter of everyone has to keep fighting for themselves because the moment they stop, they get ripped apart. Frick, seems simple to think about it now.
Don't forget the Georgia and Florida are super anti-union and have laws just to frick over workers
For a reason. All the pro-Union states are now hallowed out thanks to a parasitic second corporation trying to "bargain" with the first corporation, and the first corporation taking its ball and going to China.
That's just capitalism being capitalism where the powers at be conspire with each other to carve out territory. Unions don't even factor into it or get weakened to the point they're non issues since monopolies are just the natural end game for capitalism.
Though sometimes you see workers punching back and the ruling class lose their shit. Like the Volkswagen Tennessee plant on the cusp of unionizing which resulted in 6 separate republican governors, including Georgia, putting out a joint statement freaking out over it.
It would be nice if republican states had strong unions like California since as
said, the actors, writers, animators have extremely aggressive Unions with SAG-AFTRA and WAG going on strike because the producers refused to give actors and writers residuals for streaming and their plan to use AI to just outright replace actors and writers, and it was settled in the workers favor. Strength in numbers means something still.
If people like Andy and George belonged to something like SAG (now SAG-AFTRA), I'm 99% sure they'd be complaining about dues, but they'd still be getting residuals and royalties from their work and they'd definitely be better off.
If Andy and George belonged to SAG, they'd be complaining that their voices are being replaced by AI.
SAG is the reason they weren't replaced by AI you moron.
But they are, though, lmao.
They're not finding work and b***hing about various roles being filled by AI, you need to be a big name to not be replaced - yet.
This is the fundamental problem. Unions are hostile to management to an extent that management eventually gives up and says "congratulations, you're ALL fired". What does the Union do then? Strike? Oh wait, they're fired already. Oh well, we'll get em next time. Meanwhile the union heads are all moving on to political positions. Same thing happened to US Steel.
I always love the Republican corporate bootlicker logic you run here.
>If you don't let corporations frick you in the ass constantly, by taking away the money you earned and benefits, they'll just outsource your jobs
As much as Republicans have outsourced every production job to China as they could, they can't do that with entertainment, so they tried to undermine everyone with AI. Which is what the giant strike last year was about and why the corporations caved and now the contracts say they can't use their actor's likeness or voices for AI.
But in Republican clown world, this is defeat for the workers and actors because it means they're going to get replaced by AI anyway? SAG-AFTRA would have kept Andy and George out of living in the dumpster instead of forcing to live the Republican dream of being pumped and dumped by corporations.
>bring up left / right crap in space ghost thread
boomer b gone
Just calling out why George and Andy got fricked over and the morons trying to defend what happened to them.
That ain't left verse right, it's right verses wrong.
Just so happens right is wrong and we could make a space ghost skit out of that wordplay
You're bringing me down, Man!
YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH! Our ratings!
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When you take these greedy actions and pin a political party to them you legitimatize them as ideology rather than a crime. Instead of spreading awareness, you are generating defenders for what you are against.
When one side is the one that defends and enables them, it's a morale duty to call them out. It's this both sides bullshit that has helped ruined this country.
A blast from a power band is much more effective than an open hand.
Well yeah, unions are anti capitalist Communism invented by Communists to frick up the US economy.
The "Lazzo hates SGC2C" thing is something people completely divorce of context. When The Eric Andre Show was in early production, Eric grabbed the complete run of SGC2C and marathoned it on repeat because he wanted to capture as much of the show's essence as possible. Then, he tracked Lazzo down and started badgering him about how influential the show had been to his own sense of humor. When he started bringing up specific episodes and trying to ask in-depth about what made specific scenes of SGC2C tick, Lazzo got fed up and said the "Space Ghost is dead to me" line. It's not a story of Lazzo being embarrassed about old work; it's a story about Lazzo telling the new guy that he should focus on making new shit instead of trying to learn how to make something that was already made. If the creator moved on to new projects, obviously, you should, too.
Why do people on the internet, without fail, always gravitate toward the "actually X creator fricking hates the thing they worked on" narrative when most of the time it isn't true.
I think it must be some kind of projection on their part mixed with regurgitating things they've heard without evidence from other anons who heard it from somewhere else and so on.
It's a defense mechanism. If the creator of the thing you like turns his back on the fandom and disavows the work completely, you don't have to reflect on why you're so much more heavily invested than the people that made the thing. If they moved on, why haven't you?
I dunno I think you still sounded like a douche there, Mike.
ye lookin' back, he could've definitely worded that nicer
He sadly also took waaaay too much 'inspiration' from Tim and Eric.
It was better when it was still considered a normal CN show, back when they were still trying to maintain the talk show format.
Don't you dare die on me, space thread.
I know Andy Dick is going to take out all the energy of this episode.
Andy Dick should have been assassinated a long time ago. Nothing but a damn homosexual.
He lasts like 3 minutes, doesn't manage to
kino. What's your guys favorite episode?
King Dead
>They came from different worlds
>Then they kidnapped *Jon Benjamin* and took him to *someone's* apartment
>And that's when they started making...
>UNREASONABLE DEMANDS!
Idlewild South
Carl Brain
>Nice hair.
. It’s not real.
Piledriver.
Piledriver
Flip Mode
Old Kentucky Nightmare
Piledriver and Baffler Meal.
Always had a soft spot for Cookoff, if only for the sheer insanity that is the Martin Yan interview.
Was about to post this.
Its an under appreciated episode for sure
>AND THEN WHAT, YOU KILL AGAIN O' GRIM REAPER!?
Chinatown
Fire Ant for the "I've always been dead, Conan," line.
Warren
banjo
I don't remember episode names but I still have my season 1 (or it might have been season 2) dvd of space ghost and I think the one I still quote to this day is the one with Bobcat Goldthwait.
"Wow Space Ghost! Man! Crack a window will ya!"
King Dead and Idlewild South
King Dead
>Don't you raise a hand to me, little missy! I'll put you in a four figure leg lock!!!!
Jesus God in Heaven I miss Macho Man.....
I am starting to believe its true she was raped into become a lesbian at disney when misteries was being shot, by the producers there.
The eyes always tells the truth.
That's how Hollywood makes most it's LGBT crowd.
>makes most it's LGBT crowd.
Flipmode, Chambraigne, and the one with the replicating pods.
Knifin' Around
Baffler Meal
Snatch
Kentucky Nightmare
Fire Ant
There are too many.
Banjo
Every episode is a masterpiece, but Piledriver and Cookout are the ones I go back to the most.
Why those two?
Justice Hole. Dave Thomas shitting on Space Ghost and him getting constantly pissed off is funny. Helps that Zorak and Moltar love Dave
Piledriver, Fire Ant, and King Dead are my three favorites.
I don't tell pretentious twats like you my favorite episode, now go suck wieners somewhere else
i would know i was somewhere kinda cool if i saw this.
Did anybody ever reveal what the ending to "Snatch" was after they bought it?
oh it loops gay
sad that it was like the same 5 episodes
Oh NOW I get it. When I was a teenager watching this on AS in the early 2000s, I did not get the joke at all and thought it was just dumb. Now it's gunny.
Frankly, I was expecting this stream to be a sticky either here or on Cinemaphile. It was the genesis of a tv station/block/subculture, but the stream itself is probably on the way out by this point.
It has also looped the same damn 7 episodes all day instead of the whole series.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because of rights to using those celebrities.
I would normally agree with him but it's as
says, as well other anniversary livestreams in the CN YouTube channel, they just loop over and over the same picked episodes.
a little bit more than that but yeah. They did the same thing with the Titans stream. Wish they would have done more.
tbf most of them are great eps.
i remember seeing this on a lot as a little kid when i woke up early in the morning and being fascinated by it. i find it pretty much unwatchable now, the humor just doesn't work for me at all, but i'll still always have a soft spot for SGCTC. love the theme song
That time Space Ghost sang a song about this very board.
Dumb mobile poster.
Ah yes, my documentary.
>dumpster diving for ham scraps
And this is why Evan Dorkin is my favorite comedy writer.
The moment Birdman got roasted so hard he became a lawyer, like how do you recover from that?
Break all the pipes for more good ideas!
It's time for the obligatory FRICK ANDY DICK.
FRICK ANDY DICK
Daily reminder Dick had nothing to do with Hartman's death, it's all just rumors spread by Rogan
Hi Andy you druggie frick
Dick literally bragged about it and got beat up by Jon Lovitz
He didn't brag about it, he sarcastically said something like "Look it's me the guy that killed Phil Hartman" as a joke because of the rumors. Your source on these stories is Joe Rogan anon, reconsider.
>Your source on these stories is Joe Rogan anon, reconsider.
Anon it's been a story since before Joe Rogan even had a podcast, I remember hearing that incident in the 2000's, before his podcast launched
Rogan is the person IN the story who told Lovitz Dick was involved. He did it because he's a closeted homosexual and Dick's gay jokes towards him made him uncomfortable.
Not the way Lovitz told the story 20 years ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lovitz-speaks-out-on-dustup-with-andy-dick/
I might be missing it, but while Andy was a druggie, Lovitz probably shouldn't had boldly blaimed Andy killed Phil?
It wasn't really a point of contention. Andy openly joked about being responsible (in an indirect, not legally binding way) for years.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171107164714/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-and-lovitz-fight-over-the-dead/
Charitably even if he had nothing to do with it, he still owned it/used it to make fun of one of Hartman's friends. Andy is also a piece of shit in every other aspect so even if he was completely innocent of any wrongdoing he's still a shithead.
ANDY, ANDY, YOU'RE GETTING ME TICKED
THINK I'LL PUMMEL ANDY DICK!
The Macho Man episode might be the peak of the show.
Flipmode for me but I love that episode too
DANNY
DANNY BOY
Considering how many 90s shows have been revived in the past few years I'm surprised this hasn't gotten a reboot. It would be shit but that's besides the point. The OG is kino.
I wouldn't do a new show but something like the Cartoon Planet reboot as some sort of replacement for the bumps with Brak and Space Ghost would be great but even that is super unlikely.
Cause George Lowe is fricking dying, dude.
He's just old as frick he's not dead yet anon
His health is declining.
I'm amazed at how many shows directly or indirectly owe their entire existence to Space Ghost Coast to Coast.
Before the cable company my parents had got Cartoon Network in 1996. I was watching Coast to Coast and Cartoon Planet with cartoons on TBS. I loved and still love it's charm. I've lost my VHS recordings but I still have the CDs.
Thanks for reminder. Definitely a staple of [as]. Wish more people would know about SGC2C in Poland than just Rick and Morty
>Anything happen?
>Let me check. I think some money came in.
>Really? Hang on. Ahem. I TOO BANGED A DOG UP THE ASS--
>PLEASE STAND BY
>Oh come on Moltar it's not like it was alive or anything.
>They can kick you off the air for that kind of shit. I mean um stuff.
>When did you become such a puritan
leading to a line I used to shout while stoned or drunk and people were arguing:
>CALM DOWN WITH THIS RELIGION
>Pull up 1st ep of C2C
>Space Ghost: Susan what's your secret ID?
>Susan Powter: I'm transsexual
>Space Ghost: Reeealllly?
>Space Ghost: Got any superpowers?
>Susan: Female intuition the most powerful thing in the universe.
>Space Ghost: Yeeeaaah right. Is this something I'll have to stop?
>Susan: You're gonna have to battle us.
lol based SG
No!
damn as a Godzilla fan, C Martin Croker's house is like a dream.
That's the good shit
https://sketchfab.com/barker_js/collections/c-martin-croker-39b4e27a9f924ba4bab42108a77beb51
What happened to all his stuff after he died?
Good ending: He had people that took stock of it all and they sold it or kept it.
Bad ending: The garbage.
can anyone ID the figure with huge breasts n ass in the front?
And the ones in the back around batman
Now imagine an earthquake.
I'm annoyed that George Lowe didn't get more work in all these years. A lot of Space Ghost C2C hinges on the writing but he really has amazing delivery.
Chip Duffy?
boy david zaslav did a great job on space ghost coast to coast
Can we have a good thread about this highly influential and great show that doesn’t devolve into Kiwifarm tier drama threads about the e-celebs who worked in this show
>talking about the staff who created, voiced and animated this show equals Kiwi Farms-tier e-celeb gossip
Fricking hell, anon, that's some brain rot.
You're a moronic homosexual but thanks for the bump
I always view Space Ghost as Cartoon Network more than Adult Swim personally.
Me too but I recognize it as proto-Adult Swim. It doesn't feel right to say AS started with SGC2C because 1) All the same people worked on the Moxy Show and 2) AS didn't even have secret pilot episodes until 6 years later. If anything, Space Ghost C2C was the first show to have results for the suits that the people reading black and white comics and teenagers were both willing to watch a mock talk show dripping in pop culture references. It's just weird with how Ren and Stimpy (it was on Nick and MTV like Speed Racer,) Liquid Television, and Beavis and Butt-Head were doing for MTV and even how South Park was doing for Comedy Central a couple of years later that no one thought to make something like Adult Swim before 2001 that wasn't just "We showed two cartoons in a row FOR ADULTS? WE'RE SO WACKY!" like South Park and TV Funhouse being paired together.
>I am grateful I got to live through the Lazzo Adult Swim days. Never again will such a channel exist.
RIP C. Martin Croker
Am I crazy or something? I remember this narrative that Andy Merrill was essentially just an overly involved CN exec that was doing a whole
>How do you do, fellow kids?
routine. I don't think I ever believed it, but I definitely remember people blaming executive decisions and network agendas on him.
I can't imagine that was true if he's a truck driver out of necessity now.
Andy was in programming with Mike Lazzo and Keith Crawford. They would be the over involved suits who started SGC2C. Lazzo would be the Fellow Kids one of the bunch as Andy was fairly young when he went from CNN to Cartoon Network (like 26.)
And then Lazzo dismissed Eric Andre, telling him how Space Ghost and Aqua Teen Hunger Force mean nothing to him and to frick off.
Lazzo was always based like that. Between that story and some of the early Venture Bros. commentary tracks, the easiest way to get on his shit list was to get hung up the past instead of focusing on what you're doing now.
>Not hung on the past
>on a show made from an ancient cartoon's cel animation.
A'ight.
>get hung up on the past
>cancel everything for new shit that immediately fizzles
>keep auto approving venture bros seasons that takes years to come out
>tell anime people to frick off and now anime dominates internet culture, let’s crap like crunchy roll take over
>leaves the network with everything cancelled and baby shows playing 24/7
Based lazzo
>>tell anime people to frick off and now anime dominates internet culture, let’s crap like crunchy roll take over
they could've had something if they kept with the Toonami Reactor/Jetstream/Adult swim Pipeline they could've had something, Limiting anime to once a week was a death knell for it because now a 52+ episode series will take years to catch up to where people would just download it online.
I think people don't realize Toonami was doing free online anime streaming in fricking 2001 and as late as the last year of the initial run. It pittered out after the block ended and switched to service Adult swim shows, but it could've been it's own service.
Not to mention half the programming on Adult Swim for a long ass time was Seth MacFarlane and King of the Hill reruns.
Lazzo was a fricking weird, constantly high, aging hipster douche that considered himself to be the god of all that is cool and trendy.
Because of that he was in some weird mindset of always wanting to be the one who invents the next big trend or be the cause behind the next big thing. This is why he had a total hatred of any old thing or old past project. He saw it as the antithesis of what he wanted to represent, the hip new big cool thing that everyone talks about. Imagine him more of a small town, local level big fish nobody who takes themself to be a high fashion designer equal to those in New York or Paris and creates weird confusing shit because it's interpretative and modern.
-someone who worked for Lazzo back in 2014ish
>small town, local level big fish nobody who takes themself to be a high fashion designer
Yep. It's exactly that level of delusion that [as] needed. Any sane person would've been told "you're handling the dead shift programming" and never spent more than 10 minutes per paycheck for the rest of their life.
He's the guy that made anime popular in america and he greenlit several shows like courage/powerpuff and a lot of AS originals that became popular
Remember daily planers? My fricking god I'm old
Is there something we can do? To like thank Andy and George for all they've done? Pioneering a generation of cartoon fans?
>Japan apparently loved the 60's Space Ghost
Huh.
Honestly, it makes sense when you compare his abilities to Ultraman. He resonates rather nicely. And with Kamen Rider since you could argue all his enemies are also "kaijin", human-sized monster-people.
Space Ghost is pure Alex Toth, he could knock that shit out of the park. he knew simple and cool design.
If I recall correctly Toth hated Space Ghost and saw him as Batman with a moronic rimlight and a jello cape
I can't find anything on the matter.
He also hated how "Violent" comics were turning in the 60s, amidst the damn silver age, so I would imagine he wasn't a fan of the talk show either.
I think space ghost is an iconic design, but perhaps something more could have been done with the cowl. I think space ghost translates so well into the satire genre because the design is very 60's
I find it interesting there Zorak looks like he did in the 1960's Space Ghost comicbook. Probably they sent an issue or two as "reference material" or something.
That's pretty likely, a lot of those manga adaptations are just redraws of US comics. Lord Death-man from the batmanga, for example, if based off an american Batman comic
Has the Batmanga been translated? I need to check that one out.
And yeah, that reminds of of an Astroboy comicbook from the 60s which was also a redraw of one of the manga chapters. Funny how that works. I've heard DC also originally intended to redraw Akira, rather than to publish it colorized with assistance of the original author.
Space-themed superheroes were really popular around that time in Japan, just based on Mystery Science Theater 3000. Proto-tokusatsu stuff like Prince of Space, Invasion of the Neptune Men, and Attack from Space.
Why didn't Toonami or adult swin try to adapt this into an anime?
Truly a fantastic idea! Not only could it be an adaptation of the manga, but it could also be heavily influenced by 60s anime (especially those by Tatsunoko), with the possibility of being shown in Japanese with yellow subtitles, or in English as a way of parodying anime dubs of the time. It reminds me a little of Brave and the Bold's brief adaptation of Kuwata's Batman.
I think it would be suitable for Toonami, but in the format of shorts broadcast between commercials, always featuring an eye-catching intro at the beginning of each short, as if it were the main program returning from the commercial break. After the original airing, they could compile the shorts into a special with its own opening and ending, similar to what they've previously done with 'Night of the Living Doo'.
I've always thought that Toonami should include action shorts in the middle of its programming, similar to what DC Nation had, but with the possibility for the animators to use other Warner properties, or even introduce totally original characters. In this specific scenario, opting for Space Ghost would certainly resonate with the [adult swim] brand, of course.
Easier/cheaper to film a couple of morons farting around infront of a greenscreen for 22 minutes
I seriously think Lazzo is in this thread damage controlling how he pissed away Cartoon Network's influence and trying to scapegoat everyone else.
On one hand I can sincerely praise lazzo as a pioneer and probably responsible for a cultural moment that has influenced popular culture to this day and beyond. But on the other hand I see a guy relentlessly burning bridges and lacking foresight. How do you frick up the anime thing that badly? And everyone he worked with is in their middle age struggling
Yea, just a heinous missed opportunity. And it’s not like he didn’t know, he just didn’t like anime. Duuuuuuur
>How do you frick up the anime thing that badly?
There was no winning move. It wasn't financially viable. Even back then, before it stopped being a niche interest, snagging the rights to an unproven, single-season series could cost over $100k plus percentages on the revenue. You didn't get DVD rights or merchandising rights as a part of that, and that's where the actual profits were (and still are. Toy lines are still the lifeline of cartoons, even if you can't legally talk about it.). Turner didn't give [as] enough money to play ball in those sectors. At the end of the agreement, you had either blown a ton of money on a failure or had picked a winner and now had to pay through the nose to keep the rights just so someone else could make the real money selling action figures.
The stuff they were making in-house cost ten times as much, at worst, but never had to be relicensed and came with free and permanent DVD and merchandising rights. It was safer and, even if it flopped, still helped them build up their catalog in the early years. That's a decision that's STILL paying off today.
Past like 2008/9, I don't even really know anyone who was watching anime mainly on Adult Swim
Like even when they got Evangelion, it was years after it was first a big deal and people had watched it through DVDs/torrents. Then the late 2000's was the era of youtube upload anime. There was just way more options outside of dripfeeding one dub episode a week.
Basically high speed internet became commonplace almost everywhere around 07-08 and then anime was easily found and plentiful for streaming/torrenting almost everywhere. It stopped being a hard to find, get it where you can, niche thing at that point.
No one was going to do well with an anime block after that point. Scifi channel making animondays came too late as well.
>Toy lines are still the lifeline of cartoons, even if you can't legally talk about it
U.S moron here, is there some specific law regarding kids media merch I don't know about? I assume at the very least you can't have an episode where the character faces the viewer and says "Please buy all my toys so I know you love me waaaa :("
How did that happen?
He didn't replace the Family Guy reruns with anime reruns. Toonami should have been on every night.
family guy and anime are an iconic pair
George Lowe has fallen into bad health, but he seems to be hanging in there.
His voice has taken a toll from his bad health and age.
https://twitter.com/gloweofficial?lang=en
>hasn't posted on twitter or facebook for over a year
Hope he's alright.
Says he's going to Dragon Con so he's not dead, I think.
He just did voice work for Jellystone.
And sounded like he was struggling the whole way through, but it was all worth it for his final monologue at the end.
>he can say crazy politically incorrect stuff
But because he's a comedy genius, he knows shit shouldn't be off-hands or lampooning. That's why people love him and the [as] originals.
Also it helps that they're actual jokes and not part of that batshit 'we need to weaponize comedy to own the libs' that has completely ruined conservative comedy.
Yeah, you can really hear how he doesn't sound so healthy when he reprises the voice in Jellystone. But it warms the wienerles of my heart that everyone in the comments section doesn't care, they're just happy he's doing the voice.
His voice is turning into Adam West
I really hope he's ok. His fascination with outsider art and his own art skills are interesting. Given his mom's era he might own the house outright, which is good, but without any other family seemingly and it seems like his income is limited.
His story about having to buy his mom a burial dress was so heavy on me. SGC2C and cartoon planet had such a huge impact on me as a kid, I had the music CDs and used to play them until my family was thoroughly annoyed. Lowe, Merrill, and Croker were all formative parts of my sense of humor and it's depressing to hear what bad luck they've all had.
I don't doubt he was and still is fricked up but if he felt game enough to reprise for Jellystone he's probably doing better than you might think. Unfortunately for all three of them it was mostly a labor of love, it sure as frick didn't pay the bills. I remember seeing George at Megacon in the early 00s and the dude's shitbox died from the trip from Atlanta to Orlando. Set up an impromptu donation drive where he'd pretty much record anything for you as SG so he could get enough cash to cover his repair costs.
>Con didn't cover his travel expensive and fly him in.
God, conventions in the south are shitholes.
So that's my local news, and I saw one that they did on Lowe's art collection, I didn't realize it was him, despite hearing them say "George Lowe" because of how rough he sound and frail at the time, worst than how he was in that video. They also didn't get into his profession as Space Ghost. It took some time for me to process that is was him. He's been a commentator a few times for that news station.
Shit, I picked the wrong image. Sorry about that, Cinemaphile. Supposedly there is a Spaniard version of Space Ghost Coast to Coast, where he interviews Spanish celebrities, but I can't find clips of it on YouTube.
In latinamerica there were the Copa Toon specials where in Spanish he would interview soccer professional players (mostly mexican I believe) and Brazil had their own too, with Brazillian players.
While I can't comment on the Brazillian episodes, the Spanish LatAm ones are perfectly on brand with both SGC2C and Planet Cartoon. Here's a sample.
>yfw Brak was originally a Chinese sterotype.
Honestly, I could see it since the hair can also be seen as cloth.
Damn, Zorak used to be huge.
>Creature King is the only one who didn't show up in C2C
I think he showed up for a few seconds in Piledriver
anyone have a mega of sgc2c seasons, my hdd hit the brix months ago and been trying to recover stuff from cince
Seconding this
https://paste4free.com/p/Rc3VG549
Dual audio track, English is Track 1.
>The requested file has been deleted for inactivity
>After having to go through several of those paid when you share links sites
Frick you
Well, shit. I got it downloaded, what's a good host? I don't really wanna deal with Mega's bullsit.
Mega's still the best as long as the files aren't that huge and you have to download that bullshit spyware app.
You could try mediafire.
Well, shit, hold a while. Uploading on Mega.
Bless.
Be sure to run the URLs through the 64 site and paste those codes instead, it makes things last longer.
What version of Fireant do you have? This is very important.
What's the difference between versions?
Gotcha.
The original airing and DVD version runs 22 minutes. A rebroadcast shortened version which aired nearly a month after the original and is also found on streaming services runs 11 minutes.
Also you can tell what version is being streamed right now on
by how pissed people get when it gets to that part.
Ah, I'm afraid this one runs 12 minutes. It's ripped from MAX before they took down the show.
Hey, I found the full one. I'll add it to the Mega.
Where is the Mega link?
No ad filled bullshit link hosts, please. Just the mega
42% done. It's 11 GB, pls understand ripped from MAX.
Ah, I thought it was something that had already been posted, not something in process.
Don't worry about it then, you're doing good work.
>11GB
Please tell me you aren't doing a single zip or rar and they're individual episodes or by season.
Individual episodes.
80%, almost done, with the added bonus of the full length Fire Ant episode I found elsewhere. Seems to be a DVDRip.
Damn, still worth to upload everything else.
Anyone got the full episode?
See
Here you go:
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Appears to be in working order.
The subtitles are only in Spanish though.
It's what I got, but you can turn them off. The extended version of Fire Ant has no subtitles nor secondary track.
Sequel and Curling Flower Spaces are missing from S06
For whatever reason they weren't on MAX when this rip took place. I don't know why. One sec though, I can get them,
Episode 17, Hipster, is also missing from S04
And Episode 5 of S05, Warren is missing as well.
Warren is there, albeit mislabelled as 5x06 by the ripper.
It was brought to my attention the Warren I had wasn't the full episode, much like the Conan episode it was tripped for MAX. I'm uploading the full now.
This and Cahill are now on the Mega.
The Specials are also being uploaded.
Don't know if you're adding anything else to this but here's some interviews they did at E3 2006
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Thirding this
My dream is that one day, we’ll get a Space Ghost Presidential Debate (where he literally moderates a debate between two actual presidential candidates)
I mean there was this
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Lather your way to a new intelligence.
That should be about it all that was missing, guys. Hope you enjoy it.
I hate to be the resident annoying dweeb-in-chief, but Story Book (aka Story Book House) and Fire Drill are missing from S02, Glen Campbell is missing from S03, Mayonnaise + Brilliant Number One are missing from S04, and Mommentary: Creator's Commentary + Mommentary + Jelly Bean are missing from S07. That's all for now! Keep on scootin' in the truck world.
Better poke him with a Nerds Rope just to be sure.
Adding now, I can't believe how much was missing from this MAX rip....
It's been added. Hopefully that's all that was missing.
Higher Quality version of the Conan episode has been added.
I wonder how long they'll keep showing this. It's comfy as frick.
Raymond is cute.
i prefer raymond to ezekiel
And tasty.
I didn't expected to get into this thread and get depressed fricking hell.
🙂
Dude was the face of the 90's cartoon network. Deserves all the best.
Also, the Dynamite Space Ghost comic is looking great. The redesign of Metalor and Brak are great.
Brak has fricking wolverine claws.
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I can't unhear C2C Brak when I read this.
They knew what they were doing when they gave Brak that accent
>it's just hair
You know for the longest time I always thought Brak was wearing a helmet of some kind. I learned something today
I hope he got a lot of offers to show up at cons, you can make good money from appearance fees.
qrd? I knew he was down and out but what changed? What is he reacting to, the outpouring of support after that tweet?
Fans of his are reaching out and checking on him.
I definitely think people just took for granted that because of Andy's work, he was still well off and not at the bottom of the barrel.
Dude was a fricking amazon delivery man, how is that not bottom of the barrel?
Because people weren't following him closely to know that's what he was forced to work as.
People have this impression that if you work on tv/film, they you are clearly rich. Or if you are hurting, then that means you could not quite afford that summer home in Hawaii and had to settle for a summer home in Mexico instead.
It's impossible to ever claim you were a background artist on some show because no one will believe it and assume a background artist is a wealthy Hollywood celebrity. Not a $2K a week middle income job that only lasts about 5 months at a time, by someone that drives a tiny hatchback.
BLAST HIM
We need to get you to the hospital.
_______BLAST HIM
are the Space Ghost comics any good?
The DC one is good. The Scooby Doo crossover confirmed his villains brain washed him into thinking he was a talk show host. Dynamite's is looking kickass.
The Cartoon Cartoon and Cartoon Network Presents ones are (not the very first one with the wonky traced art)
time for a throwback you all forgot.
WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME
The sheer hate and anger in that delivery was perfection. I miss C. Martin Croker.
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speaking of good delivery, I loved tansit
I can't believe Space Ghost is fricking dead...
The brazilian Space Ghost from C2C was literally killed by Covid.
>live action andy merrill is just just chris chan
COP OUT, COP OUT!
Speaking of Chris Chan. Space Ghost Coast to Coast was sponsored by Sega, and Space Ghost plays some Sonic & Knuckles in the last episode of Season 1.
So are they just playing the same few hours of episodes on loop?
I want to ____ with Konata
Pretend?
Is she getting enough oxygen?
I think I'll order one of those mind erasing kits...
You already bought one!
i remember years ago realising this and sealab 2021 is likely where people on old youtube got the idea for "anime abridged" from
Little Kuriboh, who began the whole abridged genre, even mimicked the [as] bumpers.
https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1781316398532469083
Alex apparently has kept the cookie jar Andy gave him decades ago.
Have you met Haystack Calhoon? HE WAS A MOUNTAIN OF A MAN
this is a longshot but does anyone happen to have original space ghost rips?
Be more specific
like 60's HB space ghost, not coast to coast
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We think of the show being made with stock clips so much I think people don't realize the C Martin Croker could not only imitate the original style on his own, but animate it for new material as well.
the new ATHF season has a bunch of new, fluid animation. in an alternate universe we saw a revival season in the same fashion.
I actually dislike the new animations
here's some sketches I got from croker 3 months before he died
What happened to his hand?
I hope they release a new figure, i would kill for a modern Space Ghost figure
the Mezco figure is amazing but it's already like 7 years old now
I wish I bought one when they were available. Now I can't find one for less than $200.
Same with the classic sets in package all above $100
That official stream is bullshit, it's just the same couple of hours repeated over and over.
Someone with a bigger brain and more work ethic than me should set up a stream with every episode and a chat so we can meme it up in real time.
LOMBAK EEKREE APLOMB APLEE AZONA AH-AH!
I bailed on the stream, and I've got a playlist of Aqua Teen, Space Ghost, Sealab, Perfect Hair Forever, and 12 oz Mouse playing on shuffle.
>12 oz Mouse playing on shuffle
Why?
It’s a serial
>this can now air on adult swim
Time is a funny weird circle
More of a wobbly wobbly......timey-whimey balllllll of....stuff
>this can now air on adult swim
What do you mean by that?
Do they air old kids cartoons that are over X years old on [as] or something?
t. not American
They call it Checkered Past, an hour of old Cartoon Cartoon shows (Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc) that lead into Adult Swim proper. They playing to both older AS watchers who grew up with those shows as well as younger kids lingering past the watershed who've never seen them before
>Checkered Past
That's clever
HOT MAMAS
FIRST WE START WITH A GUITAR AND I GOES
>WREEEEEE
AND THEN I GO
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
AND THEN THE LADIES GO
>WOOOOO
AND I GO
>HOT MAMAS!
AND THEN THEY GIVE ME LOTS OF MONEY SO I CAN GO TO THE STORE AND BUY SOME APPLE JACKS BUT I CAN'T GET THE APPLE JACKS CAUSE THE SECRET SERVICE COMES IN AND THEY START HITTIN ME AND HITTIN ME
>Space Ghost was going to interview the Tick at one point
>....what kind of hosptial was that?
You missed your turn.
Hold on watch this.
>TIRE SCREECHING AND MULTIPLE CRASHES
God I forgot how amazing Weird Al was
I wish they played Gum, Disease. I always lost my shit when Danny Bondacuche screamed, cracking the windows and Zorak just goes flying.
crack a window, will ya?
>Moltar, get me Lassie so I can raise money for moronos.
Looking back, Space Ghost and The Brak Show really shaped my style of humour when I was in school... No wonder I'm a 35 year old permavirg
Then it comes full circle to stumble upon this site a decade and a half ago
>tfw Been stuck on this site for two whole decades
I think I was on Cinemaphile sooner than that, I came here during its 2nd year, because I remember being here for its 3rd birthday.
Williams Street and Honestar Runner were foundational works for English speaking internet humor/the tastes of millennials and Gen Z.
"bbs." Jesus, that is so old school.
the fact they had some black kid running the inbox is hilarious to me
Have you ever been to Georgia? That's just what it's like. Every black kid that wants to get started at an actual career ends up with the basic b***h job that's below entry level. On one hand it sucks, but on the other hand those guys tend to be really cool dudes, which is why they get the non-job in the first place.
Man, I still remember the AOL Time Warner merger, what an absolute waste of money that was.
So much nostalgia with Space Ghost Coast to Coast Christmas Segments.
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the ultimate choice for a mantis: stay alive or get laid
(1966) Space Ghost
>28 years
(1994) Space Ghost Coast to Coast
>30 years
(2024) Current day
>heyy, how ya doing kidz
Giving Brak human eyes ain't right.
I fricking love the musical episode so much
>all these years later
>still able to sing along to every song with about 95% accuracy
Oh my god it's Hammerhead.
Who's this little fella?
Young Sampson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D27V4GvzCmU
The first 6 seconds of this still send my sides into orbit
life imitates art
i can't believe i haven't watched full episodes of this before. you think you've seen everything worth seeing.
Reminds me of when they made some shitty CGI talk show in Australia in the mid 2000's and claimed it was the "world's first animated talk show host". Really got my teenage autism in a twist.
I'm calling big time bullshit, I feel like these circular keyboards have been around since the 60s or 70s
I'm more surprised they didn't think to use the other villains considering Space Ghost had a lot of them.
One of the best crossovers to ever happen was Space Ghost being in Batman Brave and the Bold, voiced by Gary Owens. And this was one of his last roles. I kinda wonder if Gary was originally considered to voice Space Ghost in Coast to Coast when you hear him doing radio work and commercials rather than the action hero voice he did.
>I kinda wonder if Gary was originally considered to voice Space Ghost in Coast to Coast
He was. There was a pilot made with him voicing Space Ghost:
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They didn't go with him for the rest of the series because they wanted to keep production local to Atlanta (and given how little of a budget they had, i assume he may have been too expensive as well).
>Space Ghost met Batman and Adam West
There was an episode where Gary was actually the guest. It was about Space Ghost accosting a talking perverted fern tree fellow late night host about the "fake" Space Ghost he had on as a guest the previous night.
No, really.
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hi
Do you like sulfur?
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>Space Ghost and other HB characters had a cameo on Fantastic Max
This was a treat to see
>the pilot episode was just them referencing other popular shows at the time
>Zorak screams 'YOU EEDIOT'
>S.G. goes 'DOH'
>Brak and Sisto where Beavis and Butthead
>Zorak, Moltar and S.G. appear in a theater watching a movie in sillouhette ala MST3K
How did Dave Willis and Matt Maiellaro stay on top at Adult Swim?
squidbillies did super well for a long time.
surprised andy didn't bring out lokar more, he's a pretty funny character
He was always a favorite of mine. Would definitely watch a Lokar show as long as Andy got to voice him again.
>the year 2000
>you see Space Ghost Coast to Coast on the TV Guide channel
>tune in
>it's the Lokar clip show
I wonder if there will ever be a fan restoration project for the first pilot episode. Someone's got to have the CNN press junket Denzel Washington did for Malcolm X lying around somewhere.
See
Why did you shrink my image?
>that's a small image
>he has a small brain
Alright, this Jellystone show looks ok.
Anyone have a mega or something? I'm downloading S1 and S2 torrents, but there doesn't appear to be a S3 pack yet (not being lazy here about downloading eps individually, but more interested in everything from the same source/uploader so the quality is the same, etc), and S01E21 seems to be missing from everywhere completely.
I wish Cartoon Planet was as well-remembered as Coast-to-Coast is. I still think about Brak's bologna sandwich song from time to time. Anyway, thanks for the good thread, bros.
Where was the bear in Kentucky Nightmare from originally, anyway?
>We're farther from the parody show than the original show was to the parody show when it premiered