Shounen, the whole demographic, is 24%-25% of all manga, if I didn't frick up my math. But I think it might be even lower considering that most manga databases don't have all the manga published in the kids demographic since they barely get translated.
anon even isekais stories are not AWAYS the same
some are about "you suffered your entire life, here have a family"
other are about " you are now the strongest being in this universe"
other are "you finaly get to open that business you aways wanted"
and if you want to get pedantic with it >YOU GOTTA FIND A WAY TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWN WORLD
capeshit isn't always the same either.
some are about a paragon of morality with superhuman powers defending the innocent
some are about a detective with a grudge out to avenge their murdered loved ones
some are about regular beings who become cosmic entities faced with the weight of universe-spanning moral dillemmas
some are about teenagers struggling with personal issues and the added weight of unwanted superpowers or responsibility
fair enough
the diference is that there are still SOME good writers doing isekai while there isnt a single good writer left doing comics that could write a good story to save his life
I like what Jed MacKay is doing in Doctor Strange and Moon Knight, and generally enjoy Ewing's stuff. I've never read an isekai I've enjoyed, but I'm sure I haven't sampled everything the genre has to offer.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'd add Jeff Lemire, Mark Russell, and Zdarsky, but they're all much better writers when working on their own shit (Lemire especially)
10 months ago
Anonymous
i'd recomend to you mushoku tensei
also isnt that xmen house of X arc basicaly a isekai story?
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's more of a time loop thing. The X-Men decide to work together with their enemies because a mutant that restarts her life each time she dies with her past memories intact warns them that robots take over in 100 years a cosmic entity will assimilate them in 1000 years. I might not be remembering everything right but that was the gist of it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>It's more of a time loop thing.
well she IS being reborn in the same universe so its a native isekai
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say it's closer to something like Tokyo Revengers. Moira doesn't wake up in a new universe, it only changes because of her actions.
>the diference is that there are still SOME good writers doing isekai
A lot of them just got lucky or produced a ton of work and out of that torrent one did well.
anon even isekais stories are not AWAYS the same
some are about "you suffered your entire life, here have a family"
other are about " you are now the strongest being in this universe"
other are "you finaly get to open that business you aways wanted"
and if you want to get pedantic with it >YOU GOTTA FIND A WAY TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWN WORLD
capeshit isn't always the same either.
some are about a paragon of morality with superhuman powers defending the innocent
some are about a detective with a grudge out to avenge their murdered loved ones
some are about regular beings who become cosmic entities faced with the weight of universe-spanning moral dillemmas
some are about teenagers struggling with personal issues and the added weight of unwanted superpowers or responsibility
Offtopic, but how do you use the "human sent to a fantasy world" trope without falling into isekai trash territory?
I always get nervous when I mention that element in my story because it makes me think people will think it's an isekai despite my story not being an isekai per se.
Granted, the setup is a light fantasy, pretty XIX-Century-ish, with a little of modern elements; humans, animals, plants spawn in the world on a basis, but that one element is just part of the worldbuilding and not treated as a novelty or a mayor plot point. Also MC being reincarnated (along with the whole reincarnation stuff) is explained way late in the story, from the start she is just a regular chick in a fantasy-ish world, only revealed later on that she once had a life in the human world and was one of many humans that reincarnated.
That sounds about right or am I falling into isekai trash territory?
>Using the trope as a setting and not as the sole novel focus sounds like the right start.
Good to know. I personally have a lot of fun with that specific element in the whole setup because it allows me for a lot of cool worldbuilding.
For instance, the mayority of humans in the story gather in a single region that is disconnected from the entire setup, the rest of the world barely has electricity and basic electronics are a luxury, while this region has high tech advances and even their own thriving network and media, this is because humans managed to recreate several human-world technologies one step at a time. There is also entire research communities that rescue and take care of reincarnated species to make them adapt to the new world. Finally, there are also a lot of mythos, legends and history surrounding humans, most stories paint them as "the root of all evil", backed up of ancient records of war caused by humans... in present time they are often treated poorly outside their region.
Sorry I got carried away with the loredumping, point is that the isekai element is mostly a worldbuilding element that supports the plot (like the first act being MC trying to gain the sympathy of a specie that heavily discriminates humans due to their history and mythos).
stop carying about labels
digimon, dante's inferno and alice in wonderland are "isekai" stories
superman is also a isekai protagonist since he is from another world that was sent here as a baby
Yeah, you have a point there, Im just a little self aware over my story being bluntly called an isekai when the only thing Im borrowing is the "human sent to a different world" element while giving it a lot of twists and turns.
>Dont give him cheat >Dont give him RPG stats >Dont make the party a harem >Dont make the MC gush about superior pre packaged modern food every 3 minutes >Dont make the MC instant come to term with murdering and looting shit
Great! I avoided them all by either not using them on the story, or doing things differently! >Dont give her cheat
If by "cheat" you mean the bullshit powerup that often comes from an asspull, yeah, I avoided it. Although MC does get a power up at some point, but it's natually built up throughout the story, like an ability she unconsciously trained until the reveal, then she explicitly needs to grind it a lot more to master it. >Dont give her RPG stats
Done, is that a thing though? that sounds really stupid. I will say, though... I like to measure my characters in some silly stats like DnD's, but that is only to suffice my worldbuilding autism, not part of the story. >Dont make the party a harem
There's no party to begin with (unless you count MC's coworkers and bosses). MC does get to befriend some people that lead to some wholesome romance moments, but nothing that is instantly handed to her, more like a slow burn >Dont make the MC gush about superior pre packaged modern food every 3 minutes
I dont even know what that means, but I think I avoided it kek. >Dont make the MC instant come to term with murdering and looting shit.
If you mean being a merciful soul that evangelizes bad guys, she isnt. If you mean her going nuts and turning herself into a bad guy... she *kind of* does, but that was because someone literally mindbroke her into insanity at some point (she reverts back but with a handful of severe mental scars).
the chronicles of narnia subverts a lot of the isekai tropes and it came out in the 50s, give them a read
Interesting, I didnt know that, I may give it a shot. Thanks, anon!
>they have slightly different ears
You’re right, that changes everything!
(I’m giving Monster Musume a pass because that’s actual monster girls at least)
Japan has already created the best furry media ever, Cave Story, so they are allowed to do everything they want now and I'll forgive them. I love the nips so fricking much it's unreal.
I think your biggest issue here is that Isekais are still fun to read, but modern capeshit isn't. They're both generic slop, but one preaches to you, and the other is literally "How I got sent to a magical fantasy RPG world, got a bunch of b***hes on my dick, and killed a dragon."
but definitely less fun than unsounded, KSBD, and any modern webtoons slop.
Not my fault the only comics you know are capeshit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Not my fault the only comics you know are capeshit.
Tbh they make for 80% of the market so it's obvious that people only know about them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, I didn't say I only read Isekais. In fact, I barely read them, manga, or comics for that matter. Berserk is the only manga that I find to be worth a damn, but that's because its mostly like the anti-manga to me. Anime art styles usually use a very minimalist approach to their art, so Berserk was like a breath of fresh air to me in the art department.
Of course, I liked the story and some of the characters, too. I have no idea what's going on in modern American comics because I'm not moronic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Berserk is the only manga that I find to be worth a damn,
Do you find any western comics worth a damn?
10 months ago
Anonymous
The old ones, sure. Its controversial, but I like a lot of Identity Crisis and Civil War. They aren't perfect though, in fact Civil War is guilty of having nonsense happen just to suit the plot, but I saw a lot of potential in that one. It could use a rewrite if we had some competent writers for it.
For Identity Crisis, its more like they had a good story, but didn't really know how to work with it. Making Doctor Light a rapist was fricking dumb, brainwiping him AND batman was fricking dumb, and I think the mystery plot had a stupid resolution.
That said, I like the idea of a story where a group of heroes are driven further apart due to a scenario that should have (and technically did) bring them together. IC would benefit from a rewrite, but I'd be fine if they didn't.
Also Watchmen was a great comic. Probably the least controversial thing I said in this whole thread. In fact, the controversy might be because I said it was "just" a great comic. I thought Rorschach was neat, and while it was clear we weren't supposed to 110% avow the guy as a "hero", its tough not to when he was pretty much the only dude getting shit done in the way that matters to most humans.
Honestly, there's a little of him in all of us.
>a fricking anime-only secondary thinks his opinions matter
>Anime only
Honestly, I don't watch much anime, either. I want to watch more of it though, but I'm caught up in making 3D models.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, I didn't say I only read Isekais. In fact, I barely read them, manga, or comics for that matter. Berserk is the only manga that I find to be worth a damn, but that's because its mostly like the anti-manga to me. Anime art styles usually use a very minimalist approach to their art, so Berserk was like a breath of fresh air to me in the art department.
Of course, I liked the story and some of the characters, too. I have no idea what's going on in modern American comics because I'm not moronic.
>This much fricking shit taste
Honestly that's much worse than reading nothing at all.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up
10 months ago
Anonymous
>a fricking anime-only secondary thinks his opinions matter
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I barely read them, manga, or comics
gr8 b8 m8
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm here more for the cartoon parts of "comics and cartoons". That said, I think I've read some of the comics that matter.
10 months ago
Anonymous
try Inoue Takehiko
Morita Masanori
for realistic art styles
10 months ago
Anonymous
>webcomics
Even worse, I only support big corporations.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>but definitely less fun than unsounded, KSBD, and any modern webtoons slop.
Gonna have to disagree there, if I've learned anything from isekaislop, it's that isekaislop loves breasts, and breasts are super fun.
Isekai and capeshit are on the same level. >MC goes somewhere >Guy who was shown to beat everyone he's fought so far starts a fight with the MC >MC doesn't react >Guy does powerful move >MC doesn't react >Guy does his most strongest uber attack that literally eliminates the atoms in the air >MC does react but goes "Is that all?" >MC does one move and the bad guy is killed instantly >Girl goes "UOPHJSOJHGSOISUGOIIIIIIIIIII" >Repeat
It does.
It really, REALLY does.
BUT there's also a lot more variation than in comics.
Like they'll be shounen junk rehashing tournament arks and such again and again, but then you get weird shit like Blame! too.
Or even just Battle Angel Alita. That shit went off the rails.
>stawhats go to an island > they meet some form of royalty/nobility from island. >the island is under control by some an evil pirate. >royalty/nobility character begs Luffy to free them. >Stawhats beat bad guys saves island. >Stawhats have big party and leaves. >sprinkle in some random lore dumb chapters about things happening somewhere else. > rinse and repeat for next arc.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That's Arabasta, Fishman island, and Dressrosa. That's three.
>never heard of >never heard of >One of my weebs friends told me about this one >Heard of >Heard of >I think that friend also mentioned this one time? >Never heard of >Heard of >Never heard of >Never heard of
I think one of the weird strengths of manga is that they're able to just take a central concept and just roll with it. Like look at all the sports manga and shit. Why aren't there sports comics? Or cartoons entirely about a sport? Why is there a MANGA about American football but no AMERICAN CARTOON about it? What the frick is this backwards bullshit nonsense? Why did JAPAN make Eyeshield 21? That's an American sport. NO ONE outside of Japan gives a frick about American football. Japan sure as frick doesn't give a shit about it, yet it's JAPAN who made that story. Think about that for a fricking second.
>but no AMERICAN CARTOON about it?
Ackshually, there was NFL Rush Zone.
Unfortunately it was some weird shit about fighting robots and shit instead of just being about football. It was also kind of boring, even as a 15 year old I was bored by it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
See, that's sort of the thing. Eyeshield 21 was entirely centered around American Football. I mean, it was about the characters, but they didn't do anything other than football. They played football, trained football, strategized football, everything was centered around football. No robots, no fighting, it was all pure football? Was it heavily stylized? Of course it was. Did it incorporate a bunch of nonsense in order to make things more interesting? Absolutely. But even so, it embraced football.
See, that's sort of the thing. Eyeshield 21 was entirely centered around American Football. I mean, it was about the characters, but they didn't do anything other than football. They played football, trained football, strategized football, everything was centered around football. No robots, no fighting, it was all pure football? Was it heavily stylized? Of course it was. Did it incorporate a bunch of nonsense in order to make things more interesting? Absolutely. But even so, it embraced football.
Western cartoons just don't fricking do that.
I agree, but sports is not the answer. Neither is cooking.
Because in the US, you can just watch football on tens of channels or play fantasy football or play football video games or watch football movies and TV shows.
Sports comics would be a complete waste of time, money, and manpower, unless there's some kind of big twist.
10 months ago
Anonymous
In Japan, they understand what it means to find a niche and take full advantage of it. You can watch soccer matches all the time in Japan too, it's the most popular sport there by a landslide. But they still have a ton of soccer manga because there's a niche for it. Japan is fully willing to take advantage of a niche. What they have is sheer variety.
By your logic, niches shouldn't be pursued and instead everyone should just try to please as much of the lowest common denominator as possible.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Niches that might catch should be pursued, but first the industry needs to unfrick itself. Sports, cooking, and shit like that shouldn't be pursued. This guy put it better than I did
Because the American market wouldn't read it in typical comic form. The sort of manga convention storytelling and art is what makes Eyeshield appealing, not just the fact that it's about football.
The pacing and way of presenting characters in manga in terms of writing goes a long way; it's not quite realistic but it's engaging, where as most American writers would reject that type of writing as melodramatic.
, though it wasn't what I was saying exactly.
>Because in the US, you can just watch football on tens of channels or play fantasy football or play football video games or watch football movies and TV shows.
I mean, I could do the same for pretty much any story in a comic.
Hell, you could even do that for cape comics.
Which I guess is why despite cape movies being the most popular movie genre for like a decade now, cape comic sales are still paltry in comparison.
Yes, it's part of the reason why capeshit is suffering. They've focused their energies on the mediums that will grab the biggest audience.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Because in the US, you can just watch football on tens of channels or play fantasy football or play football video games or watch football movies and TV shows.
I mean, I could do the same for pretty much any story in a comic.
Hell, you could even do that for cape comics.
Which I guess is why despite cape movies being the most popular movie genre for like a decade now, cape comic sales are still paltry in comparison.
Because the American market wouldn't read it in typical comic form. The sort of manga convention storytelling and art is what makes Eyeshield appealing, not just the fact that it's about football.
The pacing and way of presenting characters in manga in terms of writing goes a long way; it's not quite realistic but it's engaging, where as most American writers would reject that type of writing as melodramatic.
>Mostly shonen shit >Slice of life espionage >Shonen but the characters are actually awful people lmao >Shonen shit
Yeah yeah each one has different pacing, powers, world building, and messages, but this is just capeshit with a different coat of paint.
What dignifies this however is the fact that it's done for, once each of these ends they're not just going to milk it more by bringing in a different writer and artist to keep a brand going.
Honestly if I were alive during the 60's I'd have stopped reading Spider-Man once Stan left.
Compared to american comics yeah. Let's say manga has 5 stories to tell. Americomics only have fricking 1 to tell, so yes manga doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
I guess if you want to go back you could say Astroboy invented them since the character's powers are measured in horsepower, but then we went through several decades without power levels until Kinnikuman, then every manga started using power levels.
Fortunately One Piece skipped that despite being heavily inspired by Dragon Ball. From all 1000+ episodes only a few of them were about Luffy and his crew training to power up.
This is one of the reasons why I don't read much manga even though I like the art.
The stories/characters are very samey and stories are way too quick to read.
Idk, maybe it’s all the cringe context needed to be remotely up to speed on stuff? All this pandering and reuse of the same characters is the cherry on top of the iceberg.
I mean, I bet if I picked up a random Marvel comic that came out this week and a random new chapter of a shonen manga, I'd be more able to follow the plot of the Marvel comic without prior investment in the series.
And if you picked up a random Marvel comic and a random chapter in LotR you'd be more able to follow the plot of the Marvel comic without prior investment in the series.
Right, and what I'm trying to say is that despite all the whining and hand-wringing about decades of complicated capeshit continuity, it's still easier to jump into than other ongoing long running stories because it's specifically written to not require comprehensive knowledge.
Manga is winning because it's generally one author to each book, no worries about some new writer coming in in a year and fricking with established history and recent story/plotlines cause s/he had his own shit s/he wanted to write. No worries about constant crisis crossovers with other manga IPs that get in the way of what the readers are interested in. And unlike cape comics the art stays pretty fricking consistent bar the artists style evolving over time.
No.
Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first. Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
If even one thing you said was true, Image comics would be much bigger.
>Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Pretty much every non-tv original anime only exists because there was an already very successful manga, light novel or game to base it on in Japan. The anime series are little more than weekly half-hour adds for the manga/light novel they were based on. Many manga have had scans going in the west for several years before the manga is officially picked up by a western publisher and this is usually years before the anime is even announced.
>Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
"Hardcore weebs" are usually into much more niche stuff that doesn't tend to get published in the west. Midcore/Casual weebs were reading the scans of Death Note and Attack On Titan well before their first Anime season was announced
>Pretty much every non-tv original anime only exists because there was an already very successful manga
In Japan, not the west. That is a BIG detail.
The only recent big manga in the wast that predates an anime that I can think of is Chainsawman.
It is still true for the west. You can't base it on sales of the official published stuff though as most publishers are just sniping what was already popular on scan/translation sites and often shortly before the anime is announced. A series popularity in Manga scans and/or Light Novel translations is usually very massive before an official western publisher ever picks it up.
>Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Pretty much every non-tv original anime only exists because there was an already very successful manga, light novel or game to base it on in Japan. The anime series are little more than weekly half-hour adds for the manga/light novel they were based on. Many manga have had scans going in the west for several years before the manga is officially picked up by a western publisher and this is usually years before the anime is even announced.
>Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
"Hardcore weebs" are usually into much more niche stuff that doesn't tend to get published in the west. Midcore/Casual weebs were reading the scans of Death Note and Attack On Titan well before their first Anime season was announced
>It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Chainsaw Man has been popular for years even before the anime was announced.
No.
Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first. Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
If even one thing you said was true, Image comics would be much bigger.
It's, actually, both.
Historically, in American, issue's number 1-4 didn't do so well in sales because readers wanted a title that would last a long time. That's why you would see old comics change their titles but keep the numbering. The higher the issue ment the book has lasted a long time which signal it was a high quality book with consistent content. So that is something that readers want that American comics aren't offering.
But it's also true that we are in a time where there is a tremendous amount of content and, as stupid as it sounds, you have to go out of your way to read. Anime is a great way to promote a book and capture the audiences attention. For the American equivalent look no further than Invincible's sales after the first season of the show was released.
>That's why you would see old comics change their titles but keep the numbering. The higher the issue ment the book has lasted a long time which signal it was a high quality book with consistent content.
I was reading EC comics did that as it saved money them rather than having to register a new comic.
What? Each one of her old stories tried to switch the demographic and conventions. Yeah they are all romances, but they have different approaches to it.
Isn't manga mostly drawn out over years and decades?
Berserk and One Piece are from the 90s and still going.
At least manga is mostly drawn and written by one person.
Manga is winning because it's easier to get into, and all the popular stuff gets anime adaptations, films, and games. They also pander to the target demographic and not piss off their own readers like the Big 2 almost always do.
If Japan did this, you'd shit your pants with laughter.
Whats weird is that Amerimutts don't do this as comedy. They seriously do this. Also mutts blatantly show their fetish in the mainstream industry. Which is gross.
Why do you lie and pretend jap media doesn't have it's own flaws and doe stupid shit?
The reason comics fail compared to manga is because no one knows how to stage a fight scene and people just wanna see homies get knocked the frick out hence the popularity of the Invincible cartoon
This. No one wants to read bland superhero stories or experimental indie books. They want action-adventure-comedy that lasts more then a couple volumes.
I saw this with Invincible. The issue with western comics is the idea that you have to read into 5 seperate ongoing stories to get the full picture. People will read comics if it's a proposed self-contained story with a definitive ending. (but also if it has a successful series tie-in but someone had to read the original comic/manga first)
The frick are you talking about? The main character doesn't have to die and the universe doesn't have to explode for a story to have an ending. A character can be used to tell multiple stories
People want stories that actually end. Besides, it makes picking them up way easier. If someone ask me where to start reading One Punchman it’s easy. If someone were to ask where to start reading Spiderman and I say “issue one” they’re going to get confused. I would honestly just say, “Don’t bother, just watch the cartoons” because it’s easier to follow.
Define "actually end". When a character dies? When a character retires? When they reach their goal?
Hell most of the cartoons of comics don't actually end, they just have a last episode
When a story ends, don’t be obtuse. Comic book stories NEVER end; only getting rebooted every once in a while. Naruro has an ending. Bleach has an ending. Spiderman does not have an ending. Batman does not have an ending.
A comic character's life isn't a story. Comic stories "end" every issue and "continue" in the next. Some have cliffhangers. Some begin new story arcs. Some are issue #1 soft reboots and some are standalone 22 page stories. By your logic Naruto also has no ending because Boruto is still ongoing.
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Anonymous
>Comicgays so mindbroken they've forgotten what an end to a story even is.
Jesus christ
Name me one character that is like that. The only anime I know with gross "humor" of that kind is Panty&Stocking that is heavily inspired by American cartoon/comics. If it wasn't for stuff like toilet humor, P&S would be the perfect anime.
The reason American comics are a failure compared to manga is because American comics are literally only allowed to have one genre. Manga has genres besides capeshit.
Well, that and the fact that no one pays much attention to anything outside the two publishers and one genre of comics they know about. I'd argue western comics as a whole offer far more variety than manga, but capeshit is the only thing that reliably sells because that's what's been proven to sell to Joe McNormie when he walks into a comic shop.
>I'd argue western comics as a whole offer far more variety than manga
Gonna have to disagree there, to this day we still have more narrative-driven manga about American Football than we do comics.
The issue is, people into comics only seem to want specific genres, which differ from what people into manga tend to like.
Sure, but like you said, nobody sees the non-cape stuff. And I can already see some indie-gay insisting that it's somehow on the prospective readership to go digging for this stuff, but nobody is going to do that. Publishers need to learn how to market their damn products.
Also, even capeshit barely sells worth a damn anymore. The cape movie bubble is finally bursting, thank frick.
Western comics outside of the big two are criminally under rated but you are out of your mind if you think there's more variety than manga. Like, if you look at the sheer volume of manga produced vs comics, it's impossible for comics to beat manga out.
It's Savage Dragon. It's basically a long running vanity project for a once big name in comics who doesn't have enough people telling him "no." No one actually reads it anymore.
If this was in a manga you'd get morons that go >OMG JAPAN HAHA SO WACKY LE FUNI DUMB SCENE BUT I LE LOVE IT!
Also stop saying all comics are superhero shit, that's like saying all manga are generic shonen #583934 it's just not true.
I wonder if any American comic writers look at the sheer variety in Japan's market and get a little envious. Like in the west, it's all just superheroes. Most manga are shit, don't me wrong, but you can't go wrong with a little variety.
>I wonder if any American comic writers look at the sheer variety in Japan's market and get a little envious of their slave wages
There are a small number of people in Japanese comics who make any sort of money, you can do fine just freelancing for American comics.
Shit like this makes me wonder if Alan Moore being anti-defunding the police was an accident or not.(Alan Moore works shows how defunding the police and replacing them with vigilantes a bad idea more than once) He made it no secret he hates HBO Watchmen more than Zack Synder Watchmen over the whole comparing racism to nuclear war.
A large part of this conversation seems largely focused on America when referring to the West. Plenty of yuro comic live and die with then artist and even then stuff like Hellboy has long concluded.
>largely focused on America
99% of the thread on Cinemaphile talk about american comics. 99% of 3x3s and shelves are filled with capeshit. Cinemaphile almost only cares about capeshit so it's valid to talk about it. > Hellboy has long concluded.
Isn't Hellboy part of an universe that has lots of other comics with crossover stuff?
Hellboy in Hell was the finality to the main series putting an end the to his story. Side stuff and in between plots are still being published occasionally... which y'now I think I'm seeing the point since those have other writers. The Japanese do seem to have a respectful philosophy for the decisions of the mangaka.
Is it safe to talk about Savage Dragon? I got a 3 day ban for posted a single page from the comic a few years ago. Cinemaphile mods have a serious hate boner for this series.
Whats weird is that Amerimutts don't do this as comedy. They seriously do this. Also mutts blatantly show their fetish in the mainstream industry. Which is gross.
>Also mutts blatantly show their fetish in the mainstream industry. Which is gross.
Because the japs don't blatantly show their fetishes in their media. Just an Amerimutt thing, totally.
why does this place go apeshit and demand mods to step in and banne people if someone points out sexist double standards in modern comics?
like almost every comic these days features white men being beaten up or rescued by women but you never see women being rescued or being depicted as weaker or less confident or less intelligent then white men.
>BRAPPA-LORTCH!
>glub!
>OH DEAR GOD IT GOT IN MY MOUTH!
That was funny though
What.. what the frick is this
Manga is winning because it doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Ehhhhhhh
Uuhhh
Generic Isekai #281743 would like a word.
Isekai make for 2% of all manga and that's counting all isekai and the fact that 50% of them are ln adaptations. Compare that to capeshit.
And how much do they make up in sales?
Now do Shonen, I do want to know
Shounen, the whole demographic, is 24%-25% of all manga, if I didn't frick up my math. But I think it might be even lower considering that most manga databases don't have all the manga published in the kids demographic since they barely get translated.
Those tend to be light novels
anon even isekais stories are not AWAYS the same
some are about "you suffered your entire life, here have a family"
other are about " you are now the strongest being in this universe"
other are "you finaly get to open that business you aways wanted"
and if you want to get pedantic with it
>YOU GOTTA FIND A WAY TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWN WORLD
capeshit isn't always the same either.
some are about a paragon of morality with superhuman powers defending the innocent
some are about a detective with a grudge out to avenge their murdered loved ones
some are about regular beings who become cosmic entities faced with the weight of universe-spanning moral dillemmas
some are about teenagers struggling with personal issues and the added weight of unwanted superpowers or responsibility
fair enough
the diference is that there are still SOME good writers doing isekai while there isnt a single good writer left doing comics that could write a good story to save his life
I like what Jed MacKay is doing in Doctor Strange and Moon Knight, and generally enjoy Ewing's stuff. I've never read an isekai I've enjoyed, but I'm sure I haven't sampled everything the genre has to offer.
I'd add Jeff Lemire, Mark Russell, and Zdarsky, but they're all much better writers when working on their own shit (Lemire especially)
i'd recomend to you mushoku tensei
also isnt that xmen house of X arc basicaly a isekai story?
It's more of a time loop thing. The X-Men decide to work together with their enemies because a mutant that restarts her life each time she dies with her past memories intact warns them that robots take over in 100 years a cosmic entity will assimilate them in 1000 years. I might not be remembering everything right but that was the gist of it.
>It's more of a time loop thing.
well she IS being reborn in the same universe so its a native isekai
I'd say it's closer to something like Tokyo Revengers. Moira doesn't wake up in a new universe, it only changes because of her actions.
There's no writers doing comics/cartoons at all anymore. Plot/character 100% comes from the artist now.
>the diference is that there are still SOME good writers doing isekai
A lot of them just got lucky or produced a ton of work and out of that torrent one did well.
So we've confirmed it, capeshit = isekai.
>garbage = trash
yep, you cracked the code.
Offtopic, but how do you use the "human sent to a fantasy world" trope without falling into isekai trash territory?
I always get nervous when I mention that element in my story because it makes me think people will think it's an isekai despite my story not being an isekai per se.
Granted, the setup is a light fantasy, pretty XIX-Century-ish, with a little of modern elements; humans, animals, plants spawn in the world on a basis, but that one element is just part of the worldbuilding and not treated as a novelty or a mayor plot point. Also MC being reincarnated (along with the whole reincarnation stuff) is explained way late in the story, from the start she is just a regular chick in a fantasy-ish world, only revealed later on that she once had a life in the human world and was one of many humans that reincarnated.
That sounds about right or am I falling into isekai trash territory?
It's all in execution. Using the trope as a setting and not as the sole novel focus sounds like the right start.
>Using the trope as a setting and not as the sole novel focus sounds like the right start.
Good to know. I personally have a lot of fun with that specific element in the whole setup because it allows me for a lot of cool worldbuilding.
For instance, the mayority of humans in the story gather in a single region that is disconnected from the entire setup, the rest of the world barely has electricity and basic electronics are a luxury, while this region has high tech advances and even their own thriving network and media, this is because humans managed to recreate several human-world technologies one step at a time. There is also entire research communities that rescue and take care of reincarnated species to make them adapt to the new world. Finally, there are also a lot of mythos, legends and history surrounding humans, most stories paint them as "the root of all evil", backed up of ancient records of war caused by humans... in present time they are often treated poorly outside their region.
Sorry I got carried away with the loredumping, point is that the isekai element is mostly a worldbuilding element that supports the plot (like the first act being MC trying to gain the sympathy of a specie that heavily discriminates humans due to their history and mythos).
Yeah, you have a point there, Im just a little self aware over my story being bluntly called an isekai when the only thing Im borrowing is the "human sent to a different world" element while giving it a lot of twists and turns.
stop carying about labels
digimon, dante's inferno and alice in wonderland are "isekai" stories
superman is also a isekai protagonist since he is from another world that was sent here as a baby
>Dont give him cheat
>Dont give him RPG stats
>Dont make the party a harem
>Dont make the MC gush about superior pre packaged modern food every 3 minutes
>Dont make the MC instant come to term with murdering and looting shit
Congrats, you escaped the isekai trash territory
Great! I avoided them all by either not using them on the story, or doing things differently!
>Dont give her cheat
If by "cheat" you mean the bullshit powerup that often comes from an asspull, yeah, I avoided it. Although MC does get a power up at some point, but it's natually built up throughout the story, like an ability she unconsciously trained until the reveal, then she explicitly needs to grind it a lot more to master it.
>Dont give her RPG stats
Done, is that a thing though? that sounds really stupid. I will say, though... I like to measure my characters in some silly stats like DnD's, but that is only to suffice my worldbuilding autism, not part of the story.
>Dont make the party a harem
There's no party to begin with (unless you count MC's coworkers and bosses). MC does get to befriend some people that lead to some wholesome romance moments, but nothing that is instantly handed to her, more like a slow burn
>Dont make the MC gush about superior pre packaged modern food every 3 minutes
I dont even know what that means, but I think I avoided it kek.
>Dont make the MC instant come to term with murdering and looting shit.
If you mean being a merciful soul that evangelizes bad guys, she isnt. If you mean her going nuts and turning herself into a bad guy... she *kind of* does, but that was because someone literally mindbroke her into insanity at some point (she reverts back but with a handful of severe mental scars).
Interesting, I didnt know that, I may give it a shot. Thanks, anon!
the chronicles of narnia subverts a lot of the isekai tropes and it came out in the 50s, give them a read
>How I accidentaly threw my life away and got stuck inside a another world with cat girls and a evil man
>How I was reincarnated into a japanese person in fantasy europe, went into the adventurers guild, and beat up a huge dude who picked a fight with me.
>I reincarnated as an S-rank Corgi that belongs to a big tittied magical girl.
It's not always cats...
>they have slightly different ears
You’re right, that changes everything!
(I’m giving Monster Musume a pass because that’s actual monster girls at least)
>>they have slightly different ears
>You’re right, that changes everything!
Bro...people don't actually want to frick real animals.
Bold statement.
You've clearly never seen the rare bird threads
>Bro...people don't actually want to frick real animals.
never post in Cinemaphile's horse general
I shouldn't have looked
Japan has already created the best furry media ever, Cave Story, so they are allowed to do everything they want now and I'll forgive them. I love the nips so fricking much it's unreal.
zero two actually does have an inhuman monster form so shes passable.
rest are generic x ear monster girls though.
>holo
>generic
have a nice day
>monster/beast girls
Pathetic.
This just proves me men are cowards.
I think your biggest issue here is that Isekais are still fun to read, but modern capeshit isn't. They're both generic slop, but one preaches to you, and the other is literally "How I got sent to a magical fantasy RPG world, got a bunch of b***hes on my dick, and killed a dragon."
>Isekais are still fun to read
No.
>modern capeshit isn't
Correct.
The worst Isekai is still 4 times more fun to read than the best modern Dc/Marvel comic.
but definitely less fun than unsounded, KSBD, and any modern webtoons slop.
Not my fault the only comics you know are capeshit.
>Not my fault the only comics you know are capeshit.
Tbh they make for 80% of the market so it's obvious that people only know about them.
Oh, I didn't say I only read Isekais. In fact, I barely read them, manga, or comics for that matter. Berserk is the only manga that I find to be worth a damn, but that's because its mostly like the anti-manga to me. Anime art styles usually use a very minimalist approach to their art, so Berserk was like a breath of fresh air to me in the art department.
Of course, I liked the story and some of the characters, too. I have no idea what's going on in modern American comics because I'm not moronic.
>Berserk is the only manga that I find to be worth a damn,
Do you find any western comics worth a damn?
The old ones, sure. Its controversial, but I like a lot of Identity Crisis and Civil War. They aren't perfect though, in fact Civil War is guilty of having nonsense happen just to suit the plot, but I saw a lot of potential in that one. It could use a rewrite if we had some competent writers for it.
For Identity Crisis, its more like they had a good story, but didn't really know how to work with it. Making Doctor Light a rapist was fricking dumb, brainwiping him AND batman was fricking dumb, and I think the mystery plot had a stupid resolution.
That said, I like the idea of a story where a group of heroes are driven further apart due to a scenario that should have (and technically did) bring them together. IC would benefit from a rewrite, but I'd be fine if they didn't.
Also Watchmen was a great comic. Probably the least controversial thing I said in this whole thread. In fact, the controversy might be because I said it was "just" a great comic. I thought Rorschach was neat, and while it was clear we weren't supposed to 110% avow the guy as a "hero", its tough not to when he was pretty much the only dude getting shit done in the way that matters to most humans.
Honestly, there's a little of him in all of us.
>Anime only
Honestly, I don't watch much anime, either. I want to watch more of it though, but I'm caught up in making 3D models.
>This much fricking shit taste
Honestly that's much worse than reading nothing at all.
Shut the frick up
>a fricking anime-only secondary thinks his opinions matter
>I barely read them, manga, or comics
gr8 b8 m8
I'm here more for the cartoon parts of "comics and cartoons". That said, I think I've read some of the comics that matter.
try Inoue Takehiko
Morita Masanori
for realistic art styles
>webcomics
Even worse, I only support big corporations.
>but definitely less fun than unsounded, KSBD, and any modern webtoons slop.
Gonna have to disagree there, if I've learned anything from isekaislop, it's that isekaislop loves breasts, and breasts are super fun.
But I like to be preached, I love nu comics
Frankly I don't care what you think
Isekai and capeshit are on the same level.
>MC goes somewhere
>Guy who was shown to beat everyone he's fought so far starts a fight with the MC
>MC doesn't react
>Guy does powerful move
>MC doesn't react
>Guy does his most strongest uber attack that literally eliminates the atoms in the air
>MC does react but goes "Is that all?"
>MC does one move and the bad guy is killed instantly
>Girl goes "UOPHJSOJHGSOISUGOIIIIIIIIIII"
>Repeat
It does.
It really, REALLY does.
BUT there's also a lot more variation than in comics.
Like they'll be shounen junk rehashing tournament arks and such again and again, but then you get weird shit like Blame! too.
Or even just Battle Angel Alita. That shit went off the rails.
Even then, when you look at sales, the big numbers are Shonen which are actually retelling the same thing over and over again.
Imagine of shounen made 80% of all manga isntead of 25%. You would basically get western comics.
The most popular manga that outsell all American comics are One Piece and Demon Slayer. How many reboots do these manga have? None.
These are all the same?
I only read two of these (SxF and CSM) but they’re nothing alike
And two of the others are seinen and josei
One Piece is the definition of telling the same story over and over again, it's over 9000 volumes at this point
I...are you moronic?
seethe.
>stawhats go to an island
> they meet some form of royalty/nobility from island.
>the island is under control by some an evil pirate.
>royalty/nobility character begs Luffy to free them.
>Stawhats beat bad guys saves island.
>Stawhats have big party and leaves.
>sprinkle in some random lore dumb chapters about things happening somewhere else.
> rinse and repeat for next arc.
That's Arabasta, Fishman island, and Dressrosa. That's three.
Depressing is that number 1 is a ripoff and number 3 is pedo bait.
>number 3 is pedo bait.
If you think SF is pedo bait that says a lot about (you)
Listen, I get being wary about pedoshit in anime, but that anime is no Made In Abyss, so calm down
>sports anime
>original
have a nice day
at least 3 of those are series where the lead becomes a monster of some sort
1 of those (Kaiju #8) is FRICKING terrible.
Jujutsu Kaisen is also surprisingly derivative and amateur to be #1
CSM is fun though
>never heard of
>never heard of
>One of my weebs friends told me about this one
>Heard of
>Heard of
>I think that friend also mentioned this one time?
>Never heard of
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I think one of the weird strengths of manga is that they're able to just take a central concept and just roll with it. Like look at all the sports manga and shit. Why aren't there sports comics? Or cartoons entirely about a sport? Why is there a MANGA about American football but no AMERICAN CARTOON about it? What the frick is this backwards bullshit nonsense? Why did JAPAN make Eyeshield 21? That's an American sport. NO ONE outside of Japan gives a frick about American football. Japan sure as frick doesn't give a shit about it, yet it's JAPAN who made that story. Think about that for a fricking second.
>but no AMERICAN CARTOON about it?
Ackshually, there was NFL Rush Zone.
Unfortunately it was some weird shit about fighting robots and shit instead of just being about football.
It was also kind of boring, even as a 15 year old I was bored by it.
See, that's sort of the thing. Eyeshield 21 was entirely centered around American Football. I mean, it was about the characters, but they didn't do anything other than football. They played football, trained football, strategized football, everything was centered around football. No robots, no fighting, it was all pure football? Was it heavily stylized? Of course it was. Did it incorporate a bunch of nonsense in order to make things more interesting? Absolutely. But even so, it embraced football.
Western cartoons just don't fricking do that.
I agree, but sports is not the answer. Neither is cooking.
Because in the US, you can just watch football on tens of channels or play fantasy football or play football video games or watch football movies and TV shows.
Sports comics would be a complete waste of time, money, and manpower, unless there's some kind of big twist.
In Japan, they understand what it means to find a niche and take full advantage of it. You can watch soccer matches all the time in Japan too, it's the most popular sport there by a landslide. But they still have a ton of soccer manga because there's a niche for it. Japan is fully willing to take advantage of a niche. What they have is sheer variety.
By your logic, niches shouldn't be pursued and instead everyone should just try to please as much of the lowest common denominator as possible.
Niches that might catch should be pursued, but first the industry needs to unfrick itself. Sports, cooking, and shit like that shouldn't be pursued. This guy put it better than I did
, though it wasn't what I was saying exactly.
Yes, it's part of the reason why capeshit is suffering. They've focused their energies on the mediums that will grab the biggest audience.
>Because in the US, you can just watch football on tens of channels or play fantasy football or play football video games or watch football movies and TV shows.
I mean, I could do the same for pretty much any story in a comic.
Hell, you could even do that for cape comics.
Which I guess is why despite cape movies being the most popular movie genre for like a decade now, cape comic sales are still paltry in comparison.
Because the American market wouldn't read it in typical comic form. The sort of manga convention storytelling and art is what makes Eyeshield appealing, not just the fact that it's about football.
The pacing and way of presenting characters in manga in terms of writing goes a long way; it's not quite realistic but it's engaging, where as most American writers would reject that type of writing as melodramatic.
CAn anyone tell me about
>1
>2
>6
>9
Also 10 is straight up a not!titan
why don't you go ask Cinemaphile homosexual
>noooo don't ask about comics in the comics board
so I was right calling you a homosexual the first time
The thread's already here you slobering c**t, make as well make use of it.
>6
Retelling of chinese history and it’s so damn entertaining and the character writing is really good as well.
retelling of the 3 kingdoms or something actually interesting?
It’s about the Warring States period, basically the unifying of China.
>Mostly shonen shit
>Slice of life espionage
>Shonen but the characters are actually awful people lmao
>Shonen shit
Yeah yeah each one has different pacing, powers, world building, and messages, but this is just capeshit with a different coat of paint.
What dignifies this however is the fact that it's done for, once each of these ends they're not just going to milk it more by bringing in a different writer and artist to keep a brand going.
Honestly if I were alive during the 60's I'd have stopped reading Spider-Man once Stan left.
>because it doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha
>t. weeb who reads 15 concurrent manga at any given time
Compared to american comics yeah. Let's say manga has 5 stories to tell. Americomics only have fricking 1 to tell, so yes manga doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Cope.
Kinnikuman left an original sin that marked every other action shounen: Power Levels and Training from Hell
>this fricker thinks kinnikuman invented power levels
lol
It popularized them
I guess if you want to go back you could say Astroboy invented them since the character's powers are measured in horsepower, but then we went through several decades without power levels until Kinnikuman, then every manga started using power levels.
Fortunately One Piece skipped that despite being heavily inspired by Dragon Ball. From all 1000+ episodes only a few of them were about Luffy and his crew training to power up.
Wano arc had Luffy train his ryou while in prison.
And the bounties are power levels.
normie, newbie, poser
>scary monster thing chases me oh nooooooo
So original
That's not the plot of Ajin
I love posts like this because it reminds me that people here talk about things they clearly know nothing about.
99% of the harem genre says otherwise
>my little sister is a [insert thing here]
>I woke up and my [body part] was a [insert thing here]
>is the [thing] a [different thing]?
This is one of the reasons why I don't read much manga even though I like the art.
The stories/characters are very samey and stories are way too quick to read.
You have basically desrcibed 99.99% of western comics lol.
Do you actually read manga or are you just using it as a cudgel against comics?
Idk, maybe it’s all the cringe context needed to be remotely up to speed on stuff? All this pandering and reuse of the same characters is the cherry on top of the iceberg.
Case in point:
I mean, I bet if I picked up a random Marvel comic that came out this week and a random new chapter of a shonen manga, I'd be more able to follow the plot of the Marvel comic without prior investment in the series.
And if you picked up a random Marvel comic and a random chapter in LotR you'd be more able to follow the plot of the Marvel comic without prior investment in the series.
Right, and what I'm trying to say is that despite all the whining and hand-wringing about decades of complicated capeshit continuity, it's still easier to jump into than other ongoing long running stories because it's specifically written to not require comprehensive knowledge.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just stupid.
Luckily his "under-powered cheat skill" is actually OP at level 1 when applying real-world physics.
>it doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Please, please stop this is a blatant lie.
Ghost in the Shell is literally a Blade Runner Ripoff.
yeah my favorite part of blade runner was when the mc jumps off a building naked
Manga is winning because it's generally one author to each book, no worries about some new writer coming in in a year and fricking with established history and recent story/plotlines cause s/he had his own shit s/he wanted to write. No worries about constant crisis crossovers with other manga IPs that get in the way of what the readers are interested in. And unlike cape comics the art stays pretty fricking consistent bar the artists style evolving over time.
No.
Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first. Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
If even one thing you said was true, Image comics would be much bigger.
>If even one thing you said was true, Image comics would be much bigger.
Most Image comics aren't interesting.
Ture, but you can say the same about manga.
>Pretty much every non-tv original anime only exists because there was an already very successful manga
In Japan, not the west. That is a BIG detail.
The only recent big manga in the wast that predates an anime that I can think of is Chainsawman.
>Ture, but you can say the same about manga.
Right, you can, and the uninteresting manga generally don't get adapted, let alone translated to English.
>In Japan, not the west. That is a BIG detail.
It is still true for the west. You can't base it on sales of the official published stuff though as most publishers are just sniping what was already popular on scan/translation sites and often shortly before the anime is announced. A series popularity in Manga scans and/or Light Novel translations is usually very massive before an official western publisher ever picks it up.
>Manga is only big because it has anime. It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Pretty much every non-tv original anime only exists because there was an already very successful manga, light novel or game to base it on in Japan. The anime series are little more than weekly half-hour adds for the manga/light novel they were based on. Many manga have had scans going in the west for several years before the manga is officially picked up by a western publisher and this is usually years before the anime is even announced.
>Only hardcore weebs cared about Death Note or Attack On Titian before they were anime.
"Hardcore weebs" are usually into much more niche stuff that doesn't tend to get published in the west. Midcore/Casual weebs were reading the scans of Death Note and Attack On Titan well before their first Anime season was announced
>It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Being this moronic should be illegal
>It's fricking rare for a manga to get big without an anime promoting it first.
Chainsaw Man has been popular for years even before the anime was announced.
I want people to read this post as an example of how easy it is to act like an authority on a topic while being 100% wrong about it.
It's, actually, both.
Historically, in American, issue's number 1-4 didn't do so well in sales because readers wanted a title that would last a long time. That's why you would see old comics change their titles but keep the numbering. The higher the issue ment the book has lasted a long time which signal it was a high quality book with consistent content. So that is something that readers want that American comics aren't offering.
But it's also true that we are in a time where there is a tremendous amount of content and, as stupid as it sounds, you have to go out of your way to read. Anime is a great way to promote a book and capture the audiences attention. For the American equivalent look no further than Invincible's sales after the first season of the show was released.
>That's why you would see old comics change their titles but keep the numbering. The higher the issue ment the book has lasted a long time which signal it was a high quality book with consistent content.
I was reading EC comics did that as it saved money them rather than having to register a new comic.
>Manga is winning because it doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Rumiko Takahashi's entire career is just doing that.
What? Each one of her old stories tried to switch the demographic and conventions. Yeah they are all romances, but they have different approaches to it.
>guy with sword
Isn't manga mostly drawn out over years and decades?
Berserk and One Piece are from the 90s and still going.
At least manga is mostly drawn and written by one person.
What? I have the exact opposite impression.
>Manga is winning because it doesn't retell the same stories over and over.
Isekai and romcoms says otherwise
I too replied
I WILL BECOME THE ______ and btw I was actually THE CHOSEN ONE all along.
>btw I was actually THE CHOSEN ONE all along
Many such cases. Sad.
Seriously, this ruined so many good premises, it's not even funny.
Manga is winning because it's easier to get into, and all the popular stuff gets anime adaptations, films, and games. They also pander to the target demographic and not piss off their own readers like the Big 2 almost always do.
If Japan did this, you'd shit your pants with laughter.
Why do you lie and pretend jap media doesn't have it's own flaws and doe stupid shit?
>Mention comics on Cinemaphile
>Get banned / post removed / thread deleted
>Mention manga on Cinemaphile
>Get 20+ responses
I guess Cinemaphile has better mods
Shhhh, Cinemaphile mods are sleeping, don't wake them up.
Cinemaphile mods dont care. Do you see the amount of shit that infests this board?
Why do you make posts like these? Do you think the troons in charge are gonna see this and have a change of heart?
Board culture purists should be hanged along with Twitter whiners
Godlike b8
Manga is winning because it still makes stories about cool and heroic male heroes and weak female damsel love intressts with nice fanservice to boot.
Is that Onyx? I didn't know there were any Skunkworks animations.
wow sauce
I think that's from around thirty years ago.
I think it's more like 5
I never read savage dragon, i remember this mentioned in a Wizard article. 25 years ago at the very least.
If this was a character in one punch man everyone would be falling over themselves laughing.
Is it a character in One Punch Man?
No, it’s from Savage Dragon. A supervillain group called Body Function. As I recall another member is named Cesspool. Guess why.
imagine the smell
I have period sex with my girlfriend. If anything, this image turns me on.
The reason comics fail compared to manga is because no one knows how to stage a fight scene and people just wanna see homies get knocked the frick out hence the popularity of the Invincible cartoon
This. No one wants to read bland superhero stories or experimental indie books. They want action-adventure-comedy that lasts more then a couple volumes.
That’s just a joke character op, do people actually take stuff like this seriously?
>That’s just a joke character
Wow! American humor! So funny! HAHAHAHA!
>Wow! American humor! So funny! HAHAHAHA!
Indeed
Manga are comics
I saw this with Invincible. The issue with western comics is the idea that you have to read into 5 seperate ongoing stories to get the full picture. People will read comics if it's a proposed self-contained story with a definitive ending. (but also if it has a successful series tie-in but someone had to read the original comic/manga first)
>brapgays like this
No. Some of us actually have standards.
>clean it up jannyman!
I also prefer manga but many of them are just as nasty as this
>many of them are just as nasty as this
Show me one modern manga that is like that.
Wokeness is the last of western comics problems. The fact that there is no beginning, middle, or end to any of the stories is a more pressing issue.
The frick are you talking about? The main character doesn't have to die and the universe doesn't have to explode for a story to have an ending. A character can be used to tell multiple stories
People want stories that actually end. Besides, it makes picking them up way easier. If someone ask me where to start reading One Punchman it’s easy. If someone were to ask where to start reading Spiderman and I say “issue one” they’re going to get confused. I would honestly just say, “Don’t bother, just watch the cartoons” because it’s easier to follow.
Define "actually end". When a character dies? When a character retires? When they reach their goal?
Hell most of the cartoons of comics don't actually end, they just have a last episode
When a story ends, don’t be obtuse. Comic book stories NEVER end; only getting rebooted every once in a while. Naruro has an ending. Bleach has an ending. Spiderman does not have an ending. Batman does not have an ending.
A comic character's life isn't a story. Comic stories "end" every issue and "continue" in the next. Some have cliffhangers. Some begin new story arcs. Some are issue #1 soft reboots and some are standalone 22 page stories. By your logic Naruto also has no ending because Boruto is still ongoing.
>Comicgays so mindbroken they've forgotten what an end to a story even is.
Jesus christ
>The fact that there is no beginning, middle, or end to any of the stories
Anon, there's more to comics than Marvel and DC
Bruh I guarantee you Savage Dragon ain't woke
Anon Savage Dragon literally made one of their characters an antivaxxer and killed her off with COVID for virtue points.
actual black hoteps would call being anti-Vaxx woke. Just more proof how the word lost meaning, like in the house.
I don't think black hoteps would call having a character die pathetically and renounce her anti-vax stance on her deathbed woke.
If this was in a Manga y'all finna be losing your mind over it.
well,at least in manga it surely wouldn't be a hideous landwhale using her period was a weapon
Don’t act like there’s never been any manga characters with gross powers
OP's pic is on another level
Name five manga characters with a power that nasty
Name me one character that is like that. The only anime I know with gross "humor" of that kind is Panty&Stocking that is heavily inspired by American cartoon/comics. If it wasn't for stuff like toilet humor, P&S would be the perfect anime.
The reason American comics are a failure compared to manga is because American comics are literally only allowed to have one genre. Manga has genres besides capeshit.
Well, that and the fact that no one pays much attention to anything outside the two publishers and one genre of comics they know about. I'd argue western comics as a whole offer far more variety than manga, but capeshit is the only thing that reliably sells because that's what's been proven to sell to Joe McNormie when he walks into a comic shop.
>I'd argue western comics as a whole offer far more variety than manga
Gonna have to disagree there, to this day we still have more narrative-driven manga about American Football than we do comics.
The issue is, people into comics only seem to want specific genres, which differ from what people into manga tend to like.
Cerebus alone has more variety in it's 300 issue run than the entirety of manga as a medium.
... I don't know where to start with how stupid and wrong this assertion is.
Sure, but like you said, nobody sees the non-cape stuff. And I can already see some indie-gay insisting that it's somehow on the prospective readership to go digging for this stuff, but nobody is going to do that. Publishers need to learn how to market their damn products.
Also, even capeshit barely sells worth a damn anymore. The cape movie bubble is finally bursting, thank frick.
Western comics outside of the big two are criminally under rated but you are out of your mind if you think there's more variety than manga. Like, if you look at the sheer volume of manga produced vs comics, it's impossible for comics to beat manga out.
It's literally Capeshit. Yes Mamga has alot of Shonen, but some of the best are one from other types of genres and settings.
Manga won
This is just a fetish comic, r-right? There's no way we're supposed to take this seriously.
It's Savage Dragon. It's basically a long running vanity project for a once big name in comics who doesn't have enough people telling him "no." No one actually reads it anymore.
>doesn't have enough people telling him "no."
I assume that's how we wound up with things like that lizard girl dying of the meme virus?
Hot, like I would be disgusted but then look down and realize I had a raging hardon for seemingly no reason
If this was in a manga you'd get morons that go
>OMG JAPAN HAHA SO WACKY LE FUNI DUMB SCENE BUT I LE LOVE IT!
Also stop saying all comics are superhero shit, that's like saying all manga are generic shonen #583934 it's just not true.
You're 100% right, but I think I'll just sit in this thread and fling shit for another 300 posts instead.
why is it every discussion of comics vs manga always boils down to shonen/isekai vs capeshit
cause fanboys dont want an actual discussion and go for the easy strawman
No one on Cinemaphile reads comics or manga.
BRAPPA-LORTCH! has been a part of my vocabulary for months now
There is a long running series about a superhero that runs around with underwear on his head and another one that literally rapes women.
They are just as ridiculous.
I actually laughed. More capeshit should be like this.
>gross-out humor is beneath manga
Frick off.
I wonder if any American comic writers look at the sheer variety in Japan's market and get a little envious. Like in the west, it's all just superheroes. Most manga are shit, don't me wrong, but you can't go wrong with a little variety.
>I wonder if any American comic writers look at the sheer variety in Japan's market and get a little envious of their slave wages
There are a small number of people in Japanese comics who make any sort of money, you can do fine just freelancing for American comics.
>you can do fine just freelancing for American comics.
#comicsbrokeme
I feel like it wouldn't be particularly difficult to find comparable content in Manga.
>Enter He who does it for free
KRAKATOA
This homosexual made a best argument against illegal immigration not once and but twice in his anti-trump issues of savage dragon.
Shit like this makes me wonder if Alan Moore being anti-defunding the police was an accident or not.(Alan Moore works shows how defunding the police and replacing them with vigilantes a bad idea more than once) He made it no secret he hates HBO Watchmen more than Zack Synder Watchmen over the whole comparing racism to nuclear war.
Ignoring the quality of content. . . . .
Comic artist go out of their way to make you hate them.
I know absolutely nothing about most manga artist.
A large part of this conversation seems largely focused on America when referring to the West. Plenty of yuro comic live and die with then artist and even then stuff like Hellboy has long concluded.
>largely focused on America
99% of the thread on Cinemaphile talk about american comics. 99% of 3x3s and shelves are filled with capeshit. Cinemaphile almost only cares about capeshit so it's valid to talk about it.
> Hellboy has long concluded.
Isn't Hellboy part of an universe that has lots of other comics with crossover stuff?
Hellboy in Hell was the finality to the main series putting an end the to his story. Side stuff and in between plots are still being published occasionally... which y'now I think I'm seeing the point since those have other writers. The Japanese do seem to have a respectful philosophy for the decisions of the mangaka.
Is it safe to talk about Savage Dragon? I got a 3 day ban for posted a single page from the comic a few years ago. Cinemaphile mods have a serious hate boner for this series.
Whats weird is that Amerimutts don't do this as comedy. They seriously do this. Also mutts blatantly show their fetish in the mainstream industry. Which is gross.
>Also mutts blatantly show their fetish in the mainstream industry. Which is gross.
Because the japs don't blatantly show their fetishes in their media. Just an Amerimutt thing, totally.
A single panel joke character in an author-driven comic written by a schizo decades ago? Whoa, I kneel.
American comics are 90% superheroes (which people are growing tired of) and 10% "adult" shit with inane, woke social critics.
And even the superhero comics tend to have morones woke shit on them as well.
>comics
>losing to manga
What was the last nipflick to do a billion, again? I'm having a hard time remembering.
Movies are comics?
>Spend $10 million on an anime, make $200 million.
>Spend $500 million on a movie, make $300 million.
>winning
why does this place go apeshit and demand mods to step in and banne people if someone points out sexist double standards in modern comics?
like almost every comic these days features white men being beaten up or rescued by women but you never see women being rescued or being depicted as weaker or less confident or less intelligent then white men.
>sexist double standards
how dou you derive that from a single panel with toilet humour