>8000 years of recorded history
>no technical advancement
>Just unending sludge of different flavors of feudalism and barbarism
Is Westeros just Westworld but medieval?
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>8000 years of recorded history. >no technical advancement
>TWO RECTANGLES
it fits better on two pages that way
>creating a universe for a book
>better make it literally the shape of a book
wow what a creative mind
Tectonic plates according to GRRM
>Great Britain and Eurasia, but not really
>Outside Osage County, Missouri
I appreciate you.
>DUDE look at this COOL island world i designed! it has SEVEN giant ISLANDS! SEVEN!!!
it's very clearly turkey and britain
technological advancement comes from a collective group effort to further due to a need in a society for reasons such as agriculture, war, labour
we had things like gunpowder, factories etc that propelled advancement, when the feudal ruling lords have 500ft dragons and magic exists then there is no need for technological advancement
IIRC the measters are actively stopping technological research.
Some of the ruins in the book are weird and there are places with clear hints of radioactivity like Asshai.
Martin might have toyed with the idea of the world being part of his SF setting once. Probably abandoned it after the series became popular.
>IIRC the measters are actively stopping technological research.
It's the opposite, the Masters are the only group on the continent actively interested in furthering research, and opposing the supernatural. Marwyn spells out as much.
As to the lack of advancement, GRRM said that the world lacks one of the chemical compounds necessary for gunpowder.
>tech advancement is only possible due to gunpowder
I hate guns, germs and steel like you would not believe
Every time that fricking hack Diamond is mentioned, I feel the need to post this.
>GRRM said that the world lacks one of the chemical compounds necessary for gunpowder.
Charcoal, sulfur and saltpeter (potassium nitrate). Which one do they lack? They have wood, therefore they have charcoal. Sulfur is essential for life cause it's a building block of amino acids. Potassium is necessary for the working of our nervous system (potassium channels in neurons/dendrites). Nitrate and potassium nitrate is found in vegetables.
GRRM is a HACK!
also can we get a chemist here to confirm the melting speed of gold when inside a cooking kettle, placed above a small fireplace for less than a minute? I know its a soft metal and probably melts quick but that shit just melts like its made of chocolate
I don't think you could boil a few cups of water as fast as he melts that gold.
Pure gold has a melting point of 1064 celsius or 1943 fahrenheit. Less pure gold alloys have it a bit lower.
I don't think you could melt it above a small fireplace at all, you would have to put the crucible in the fireplace to have a chance.
>a chemist here to confirm the melting speed of gold when inside a cooking kettle, placed above a small fireplace for less than a minute?
The melting point of gold is 2000F. If they wanted to melt gold they would need bellows and probably charcoal. You cannot melt gold over an open wood burning fire. It just won't happen. The only metals they could have melted are tin and maybe lead. All of this is sorta common sense right? You never see israeliteelry foundries with weak ass fires like that. Gotta be hot and spicy.
assuming it is pure gold is moronic, unalloyed it falls apart at the slightest touch.
if you assume it was alloyed then it's feasible to get a slurry in the manner depicted, but it would take longer than a minute (and in the books the metal has been heated far longer)
TBF it could just be that they can't mine sulfur anywhere in quantities that would allow them to make use of it.
All three of the ingredients in gunpowder have been mentioned in the books at one point or another. There are even possible mentions of some sort of fireworks in Qarth.
Centuries before the alleged “accidental” discovery of black powder by Chinese alchemists, there was another Chinese alchemist who recorded its (black powder’s) properties.
In this world, black powder remains esoteric.
Reminder that GRRM also thought that it ennuch who drink night shade would be good warriors, rather than sickly little girls who can barely move or think due to nerve damage. The guy is good at drama, but terrible at research.
they're explicitly stated to be weaker than the average man, as one would expect of a eunuch. the only reason they're valued and feared is because they're relentlessly drilled hoplites. there is a reason the smallest number of them you can buy at once is 100, they are useless as individual palace guards.
He didn’t say it doesn’t exist, he said that the chemical interaction just isn’t the same in his universe to handwave the criticism.
This of course flies in the face of the fire ‘magicians’ making a rope of fire and “flowers” made of fire in the sky.
So I guess the canon explanation is that it exists but requires magic or is in some way magical, since that fire guys abilities became far greater after Dany’s dragons were born.
yeah, that is hack talk. at least jordan had the decency to have had people develop gunpowder but swear it to secrecy upon death.
Matt using the cannons through the portals is one of the most kino moments in The Wheel of Time books and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
That's even dumber
>GRRM said that the world lacks one of the chemical compounds necessary for gunpowder.
No he didn’t.
>GRRM said that the world lacks one of the chemical compounds necessary for gunpowder
They have wildfire, surely they could carry out experiments to give it a gunpowder like utility
Wildfire was made by a semi magical group of alchemists who were closed off and in one city.
But I do enjoy it. I also enjoy ripping it apart because GRRM is too arrogant for someone critiquing LotR's realism and sensibility despite the fact that Tolkien was an actual Linguist and professor who made a far more sensible and less flawed world than him. Even if the critique was just a minor joke, it makes it fun to look at his work from the same perspective.
Frick off
You good bro?
They did, actually. Aegon IV attempted it, to disaster.
—'This was far from the greatest folly of Aegon IV's stillborn invasion of Dorne, however, for His Grace had also turned to the dubious pyromancers of the ancient Guild of Alchemists, commanding them to "build me dragons." These wood-and-iron monstrosities, fitted with pumps that shot jets of wildfire, might perhaps have been of some use in a siege. But Aegon proposed to drag these devices up and through the Boneway, where there are places so steep that the Dornishmen have carved steps.'
—'They did not come even that far, however, for the first of the dragons went up in flames in the kingswood, far from the Boneway. Soon all seven were burning. Hundreds of men burned in those fires, along with almost a quarter of the kingswood. After that, the king gave up his ambitions and never spoke of Dorne again.'
Wildfire is a compromised substance, akin to sorcery, so it doesn't exactly behave or function reliably. Even shaking it, can cause it to combust.
The difference between the Order of Maesters and the Guild of Alchemists, is that the former regulates "magic" to its own field/link, while the latter (likely) embraces it fully.
Literally the worst Targ king in history, surpassing even the mad king, arguably.
Nobody figured out to put these things on warships?
>Martin might have toyed with the idea of the world being part of his SF setting once. Probably abandoned it after the series became popular.
always got the impression the Others were just aliens from a Hoth planet trying to terraform Azeros into an ice planet. in the books they have predator-cloaking armor and their ice swords are described almost like elite blades from halo more than actual ice swords; theyre so thin theyre basically invisible at certain angles and just look like glimmers of blue light to the nights watchmen that see them. most of his books are sci-fis so its honestly not a huge stretch to assume this was an idea in his head at some point, not sure if thats still the case considering how the show went
might have toyed with the idea of the world being part of his SF setting once. Probably abandoned it after the series became popular.
always got the impression the Others were just aliens from a Hoth planet trying to terraform Azeros into an ice planet. in the books they have predator-cloaking armor and their ice swords are described almost like elite blades from halo more than actual ice swords; theyre so thin theyre basically invisible at certain angles and just look like glimmers of blue light to the nights watchmen that see them. most of his books are sci-fis so its honestly not a huge stretch to assume this was an idea in his head at some point, not sure if thats still the case considering how the show went
Martin has actually a well established SF setting with numerous stories in it.
Sort of mix of high technology with magic and supernatural.
Westeros wouldn't be out of place there, there are abandoned planets that were isolated for tens of thousands of years.
IIRC when the book came out fans analysed more, and there is a symbol of galaxy spanning terraforming guild in Westeros plus other hints like radioactive deserts and strange black stone that is "oily" that makes extremely ancient colossal structures.
The whole Winter and Summer are taken straight from Haliconia Cycle which is a well known SF book and can be explained by elliptical orbit Westeros has.
I personally thought Others are native inhabitants of the planet or humans engineered to survive in the cold climate.
But like said, I think that even if he toyed with the idea, it probably was abandoned after the series.
Martin considers fantasy and science fiction to be indistinguishable. Science that is fantastic.
He also hates it when people try to scientifically understand his world, since that defeats the point/purpose of magic.
Magic, like religion, does not require truth or honesty as a rule. It only requires faith/belief.
You don’t ask a magician for his secrets do you? Magic is a magician in its own right, and there’s always an intelligence to it, on either end.
This is why poisons are equated with sorcery. Mystery and ignorance. Kind of the point when it comes to magic.
you're actually making me want to crack open these books after having them sat on a shelf for a decade
No the normies would be too confused.
Not stated but seems like that's the implication to me.They are clearly up to something with a conspiracy in the Old Town plotline.
Whatever the actual reasoning it's been hinted at that something is very weird about the history of the GoT world. No one seems to know how Valyria worked or what it was like despite being a near Global super advanced empire. There are, According to Sam there are 100s if not 1,000s of years just randomly missing from popular record, even to the knowledge of highly educated people such as himself. The Night Watch is way older than it should be, and for some reason they themselves are not aware of this.
Most obviously shown when they refused to cure Jorah from greyscale saying there wasnt one, only for Sam, being a complete noob at the job, with like only a couple of months at the citadel, reading about the cure on some old writings and successfully curing him
From an engineering perspective using dragons as a heat source to boil water and create steam power would have been a much more strategically valuable use of their time then as battlefield implements.
But I am cursed to think of such things and cannot fully.immerse myself in any story. It's not a fun way to be.
You should write a book anon, your idea sounds fun.
Thank you for the compliment, anon, but I don't really have the aptitude for fiction writing.
You are welcome to use that idea if you want to write something.
The targs tried that but the dragons have terrible pathing ai and kept getting stuck on rooftops and starving to death.
Kek, a Warcraft Reforged tier AI package on those dragons huh?
STEMgays would find the perfect energy source and use it to boil water to turn wheels.
Yes. It makes sense in a medieval fantasy setting because that's the next step in technology. But also boiling water to turn wheels has the best ratio of heat in to exergy out. There's a reason it has stuck around, even past the advent of nuclear power.
>tame the most fearsome, powerful and ferocious supernatural creatures in the world, who have reigned over nature as the apex predator since time immemorial
>use them to boil water
But its not like magic as widely available to people, its not fricking black clover, how many from the cast can use magic? On the whole show there ar elike 10 characters who can effectively use magic
Even the people who have magic are very limited in what they can do.
Yeah its a stupid argument
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Category:Magic_practitioners
Magic is mostly regulated to superstition, mystique and seeming. A sorcerer would rather keep up appearances and rely on their repute than resort to actual magic, because magic doesn’t always work out.
Pyat Pree for instance doesn’t use any overt magic in the books. He is all about that presence. When Dany brings down the house of the undying, he resorts to grab his dagger and hop towards her like a weirdo. Probably attempted some spell.
Qarth in the show was so shit. They did such a massive disservice to Quaithe.
It isn't magic-users or dragons that's kept them at the feudal stage. It's the winters. They've only been able to handle the winters for the last couple of hundred years, and by "handling" it I mean thousands still starve or freeze to death every winter but at least the maesters and kings survive, thanks to the feudal system that lets them collect all the food that's been harvested by the peasants during summer. Before the Targs united the land you had a bunch of kings warring every summer and then everyone starved in the winter because they hadn't collected enough food or it got destroyed, decimating the population and getting rid of most knowledge because they didn't write shit down properly. That's why their history is so fricked, because the knowledge was lost every winter and then hundreds of years later the maesters tried to stitch stories together into a proper history, inflating it greatly so that things that only happened three generations ago suddenly happened a thousand years ago.
Like Australian Aborigines
>8000 years
Keep going by lots and lots
>recorded history
>~40000 years without alcohol
>white man comes along and offers them a drink
we were just tryin to be neighborly, weren't we
they had fruit and ceramic pots, that should have been enough
how basic can you get
Like you would have ever figured out on your own that intentionally letting food go rotten in a sealed container would turn it into magic juice that makes you happy.
there's a lot more than one of them
you read their lore and they talk about cutting dicks off to get spiritual power, you'd think they might try a slightly bitter drink before going full axewound
i just watched an episode tonight where tyrion and jorah are sailing through the ruins of some advanced city and they contemplate how long until men will be able to engineer as well as the people of that city did ages ago, so apparently technology has largely taken a leap backwards at some point
In the show it’s Valyria and their cities were made with dragons and magic to shape stone
THAT WAS NOT VALYRIA
THAT WAS THE RHOYNE
THEY JUST CALLED IT 'VALYRIA'
THE SHOWRUNNERS ARE STUPID
THE SMOKING SEA ISNT A RIVER LOL
ITS AN ACTUAL FRICKING SEA
.........................lol
So there was an advanced civilization in the east at some point but valyrians ooga boogas nuked It with dragons?
yes
the valyrians killed a big ass turtle
and the river people went to war with them
That was the Ghiscari, a Rome ripoff that was honestly so terrible they actually managed to make the Valyrians worse as a civilization by having been in contact with them and introducing them to slavery. What he's talking about is the fact that the Show runners completely disregarded the lore so they could pay the actors more money to act out non canon rape scenes.
The Valyrians took out old Ghis AND the Rhoyne.
>the Show runners completely disregarded the lore
remember when they fused the only wildling tribe with a feudal society passed down from The First Men, complete with kings and the ability to forge their own weapons, with the most barbaric tribe of all that was made up of cannibals that everyone hated? I still don't understand why
That's one of those changes that's so bad, but also extremely forgotten because the general audience took over the fandom.
I wonder if the general audience ever even noticed that they were the only wildlings with shiny new weapons instead of old rusted swords stolen from the Night's Watch or straight up stone age weaponry. It just seems like a waste of time for the armourer, tbh.
Probably thought the audience would be confused that there are Wildlings more civilized than the Umbers or Karstarks.
But then why give them new weapons? They obviously didn't want to do the Thenn storyline so why not just have the cannibals with bone weapons show up to eat people? Why give them shiny bronze axes that stand out as singular among all the wildling tribes when all it does is up production costs? Shit makes no sense.
That's a pretty good description of the show. A complete waste of all the talented people who spent time on it, invested themselves into it for years, only for it to be used as a launching off vehicle by two talentless hacks even more reprehensible than the worst interpretation of Martin himself. Say what you will about the guy, but at least he makes an enjoyable, easily believable(until you think about it for a while) world that you can get immersed in. The two chucklefricks just left some things in and hoped the fans made up the story for them, or made endless YouTube videos about the "Ten tiny details you missed in Game of Thrones!!".
>no technical advancement
>World where magic is real
>LoTR is bad, it's not realistic, what was Aragorn tax policy ?
>My universe is better and realistic
>Dragons
>Middle Age forever
>Fricktons of Magic
>Gods are Real
>Undead
>Ice Spirits
>People can be revived
He really wishes he was Tolkien
don't forget, lots of shitting and fricking
evening found her fricking in the grass. the more she shat the more she fricked and the more she fricked the more she shat. her shitc**t became the world.
Only in Tolkien's setting you had technological advancement, with the peak being Numenor, which had steam-powered devices.
To expand, basically only humans, orcs, goblins, and partially dwarves even had any incentive for meddling with technology.
Elves were immortal, could reincarnate, had supernatural abilities, were physically superior, were immune to diseases, and could go for years without food or sleep. Basically their only "weak" points were their psychology.
Maya were immortal, could shapeshift, had even more supernatural abilities... so all of the above, only even more.
Ents... well, I don't have to explains why they don't need technology.
At most those of the above, along with dwarves, would be interested in CRAFTS, rather than industry.
NOT canon
>Numenorians had steam engines
Wat
>He really wishes he was Tolkien
or he gets asked to compare his work to Tolkien in every interview he ever does.
watching the show for the first time right now, it seems like martins idea of "realism" is having literally every single person, from the nobles to every random peasant the main characters come across, being obsessed with cutting peoples wieners off
Castration was a common punishment for many offenses throughout civilized history.
It wasn't very common at all. There are literallly thousands of punishments, even corporeal ones, that were more common than castration. What weirdly homosexual thing to say, anon.
Except...it was? It's been in use consistently since ancient Sumeria. The ancient Greeks, Romans, the Byzantine Empire (they were particularly fond of castration as a punishment), every Arabian kingdom, the Ottomans and most Mediterranean kingdoms and states into the Renaissance and beyond used it. Even today it's a common punishment in third world countries, and it exists in first world countries in the form of chemical castration for rapists and child molesters. Not to mention mentally ill people who get their own genitals surgically removed, like you, for example.
I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it wasn't common or often practiced. As I said, literally thousand of other corporeal punishments were more common. Please read something other than paragraph-lenght shitposts online because your reading comprehension is abyssmal
>I said it wasn't common or often practiced
And you were wrong. I graciously accept your apology, I know it's hard to keep your thoughts coherent between the hormone injections and the pain from your bottom surgery.
As far as corporeal punishments go, following amputations were more common than castration:
Cutting of lips
Cutting of nose
Cutting of ears
Gorging out eyes
Scalping in various forms
Cutting of fingers
Cutting of wrists
Cutting of arms
Cutting of toes
Cutting of ankles
Cutting of legs
Flaying
Castration was practiced in a comparatively much smaller number of cases than either of mentioned forms of punishment by amputation. I'm not even including a hundred different versions of scarring. By your overuse of le epin fourchannel buzzword, I seriously advise you to read more stuff other than internet posts, because your brain seems fried.
That is totally irrelevant to my assertion that castration was a common punishment throughout human history. You will never, ever be a woman, even if you argue and reason like one.
Roman’s almost never castrated people, it was one of the most taboo violations against “Virtus” in their eyes. There were laws in place against it. It was illegal to castrate a Roman citizen for any reason even as capital punishment, and slave had protection against it except in certain circumstances.
There was a mystery cult of cybele who’s lay-priests would castrate themselves, but it was seen as insane by most people and edicts were issued forbidding citizens from joining the cult until Claudius told the cult no more castration.
The vast majority of eunuchs in Ancient Rome were not Roman eunuchs, but slaves bought from the east who had already been castrated before sale into the empire. These were rare and normally for a specialized purpose, like castratii singers and former harem guards.
The eastern empire started to practice it more later on, both as a punishment, especially to sons of deposed emperors (though more often they would be blinded and sent to a monastery) but also some sensitive positions in government would be preferentially appointed to eunuch bureaucrats since they could father no children and their ambition would be checked (like the Chinese system of imperial eunuchs, except the Roman’s never practiced total emasculation, which the Chinese did, and continued to do until their last eunuch under 100 years ago.
it was very common in my last CK2 play thru
don't forget
>"Tolkien's characters are clearly good or evil! muh orc babies!"
>ASoIaF characters are clearly good or evil but a good character did one bad thing and evil character did one good thing therefore they are complex and gray
why would he wish to be a generic writer?
>complex characters with grey morality
>ah yes, House Evilton of the Dreadfort, Lords of the Spookylands. their sigil; a flayed man with blood droplets; that is to repeat for the illiterate, a skinned-alive human being with his muscles exposed, crucified to a saint andews cross upside down while he bleeds out and suffers. their words? "Our knives are sharp, because we like to kill people, violently".
>surely these bannerman of mine shall not betray me, the Starks, the obvious good guys
Ramsay's character is actually pretty complex and interesting if you read the books. Much more than some Orc leader or whatever from Lotr
ooook George
you know what im not gonna argue since im still reading the books and it is much better than the TV series, characters are actually much more grey like martin always boasts, catelyn is much more of a b***h and almost a mirror to cersei, and robb is definitely a mirror to joffreoy, basically a spoiled little impulsive moron, the only thing separating them is robb has some mentors to discipline him. but I will be amazed if ramsay is somehow interesting and complex as you claim. what makes him interesting? does he rape theon instead of just emasculating him? i just cant see such an edgy character having any development in any direction besides getting edgier. what does he have a redemption arc? does he reveal he knows more than he lets on? hes literally just some violent moron who's only intellect emerges when he tortures people
He isn't. That guy is a moron. Nothing about book Ramsay makes sense compared to the show version. He's a fat pimply moron who we have some indication of being groomed by OG reek, and abused by his mother. The books do not go into detail about this, and you basically have to reread them to catch this outside of a first read. He's a complete piece of shit who murders his legitimate, competent brother to no consequences from his father, he kills his highborn wife to no consequences from his father, and he is walking proof that his father is a rapist on Ned Starks watch over the North, which should have been an immediate death after Roose saw him as a child.
The more detailed version is simply the more moronic one of the two, even if you take into account all the ridiculous shit Ramsay pulled off in the show. Even his torture isn't intellectual, nothing about him is intelligent except how he takes advantage of the cast's stupidity.
he's really not that much more complicated, albeit he's less of a fricking cringey anime character.
Who could have possibly seen this conflict coming between the family obsessed with wolves and Roose Bolton the vamp- I mean Leech Lord?
This is such an insulting post I can't even bother to get mad at it in the fake way I do a shitpost. Just a pathetic reach and desperate insult against a better man to try and stir up a response. Congratulations, you have one now. I hope you can be original in the future.
>Judaic nonsense vs objective good and ontological evil
Tolkien loved judaic nonsense
>all fiction everywhere is equally realistic
You sound so stupid right now
Martin never shit talked you absolute moron, it was journos manipulating his words to get mongoloids like you riled up. You can blame him for being a fat lazy frick but he has stated multiple times he's an absolute Tolkienboo.
gay
>"could orcs and elves intermarry?"
holy
>He is predominantly of Irish descent;[17] a DNA test on the series Finding Your Roots showed him to be 53.6% "British and Irish", 22.4% Ashkenazi israeli, and 15.6% "Broadly Northwestern European".
there it is
His grandpa/dad literally cucked his "real" grandpa/dad IIRC which is why he didn't know he was israeli.
EVERY FRICKING TIME
Old as frick, but some of Aragorn later orc genocide are actually touched upon on the appendices. Like half this fat frick's questions are answered already in the very own book he pretends to have read and criticize.
And Tolkien actually toyed with the idea of writing a sequel to LotR, with Gondorian politics and whatnot, he wrote fifty pages before finding that actually Aragorn's taxes policy does not a good story make.
Tolkien actually writes in one of the letters that Orcs weren't capable of independent thought as long as Sauron existed in the world as more than a shadow, so killing them was necessary.
Afterwards they had slim chance of redemption.
>A Song of Ice and Fire is 4400+pages, written over two decades
>Пocлeдний кoльцeнoceц [The Last Ringbearer] is 250 pages, written in 1 year
lmaoooo it wasn't that complicated to explain Aragorn's tax policy
GRRM is as moronic as an average redditor. He conflates imagination and good writing with completely autistic and abstract details that are criminally disconnected from the intended tone of the story. It's the product based approach to writing fiction: the more the better.
Spirited Away is goated but Heron sucked. Don't know the post your image is from but I agree that imagination and magic don't need to be fully explained, but there do need to be some rules or constraints or consistencies.
And it's that same reason I liked Spirited Away more than Heron, the bath house kind of grounds the setting and defines the rules, spirits of different rivers places come there. Heron was birds birds birds and time travel in a tower?
I'm pretty sure it's just one 24/7 online autist that has been desperately trying to force that meme - for years.
>Gods are Real
He never once makes it clear if the gods are real are not.
>the red god revives people bro
The "red god".
God is real, the books are fiction, therefore God does not exist in Westeros world
he actually wishes he was Robert Howard, he rips off entire plot elements and scenes and writing style and world building. blatantly and repeatedly.
not that I blame him. Howard's Conan is frickin awesome
Νοt every fantasy world has to be like LotR or GoT or whatever, each has its own cadence, aesthetics and themes. LotR's epic proportions make it seem like it has a mythological quality to it which makes details such as "Aragorn's tax policy" etc redundant and useless. Vice versa for Martin's world.
is the realm flat, or in spherical shape like earth?
>spherical shape like earth
Actually, Earth isn't a sphere, it's a ball
the OP map you see is just part of a globe, the southern edge of the map is intended to be near the planet's equator, so there's an entire southern hemisphere and large parts of the northern hemisphere not shown
>so there's an entire southern hemisphere
Off limits to humans, there was princess who flew there on a dragon and told everyone nothing is there but endless land.
She probably was lying for some reason.
There is a small area humans tried to colonize and it is full of apemen and truly ancient ruins and dungeons. If people there stay for the night they disappear without trace.
Ghost Grass glows in the night, the river from Stygai glows at night, there are no children in Asshai.
Wonder what happened huh?
jews.
Spellplague
he confirmed that planetos is round
>>8000 years of recorded history
its more like 2000
records before the arrival of the andals were spotty at best and every noble family has a strong incentive to make their bloodlines go as far back as possible to give them legitimacy, so the maesters just suck up to anybody who pays them and fill in the blank records
this
European kings from the middle ages and later pretended to be descendants of Greek or Troy heroes from 3 millenias in the past
We are never going to progress significantly past our current level of technology so it could happen.
found this in my old asoiaf map folder, much more detailed than op pic
Everything east of the Bone Mountains is 1000x more interesting than the west. I want to know about Asshai, Yi Ti, and those gemstone homies.
Not only that, it also has Carcosa as the easternmost city on the map
unfortunately the vastly boring dothraki sea and dothraki ocean block your path from interesting lore. you must read 12 chapters about interracial sex to continue
It likely isn’t as cool as you think. The Asshai’i believed Casterly Rock was made entirely out of gold, ruled by a lion king. Obviously this is not true. But the Wall exists!
unfortunately, anything east of the bone mountains, save for maybe asshai, is never-ever tier and basically just there for decoration
i hope one day before he croaks he gives us a full world map, even if it's all just decoration i'd like to see it
Why has no one gone scorched earth on the Ironborn? The Lannisters should definitely want them gone since they are so close.
Because Martin is a moron. A bunch of the history is just convenience so that things later in the books sound impressive. In basically anything trying to be realistic the Iron born would have gone the way of the Norse and became traders and more civilized people, or they'd have gone the way of the Huns and reach near extinction while their homeland and the land of their conquests got divided by smarter civilizations. The better question is why the Dornish weren't genocided, or how the frick they remained unconquered, but the answer is basically just "Martin thought it would be cool to suck off his favorite sexually loose Spanish rip off culture more".
>"Martin thought it would be cool to suck off his favorite sexually loose Spanish rip off culture more".
I wonder what actual spaniards thought of this. a rare opportunity for fantasy spain, and before the first dornish character's introductory episode is over, hes having gay buttsex with men. I have to say, there are not many fantasy iterations of spain out there (honestly can only think of estalia from warhammer and that barely counts) and somehow martin made the worst one
No one cares what the Spanish think, and they're probably just happy the whole world seems to like ignoring the fact that every colonial problem on earth can largely be laid at their feet(alongside the Monkey Saxons). To be perfectly honest I wouldn't even be surprised if Spaniards didn't see it as a representation of Spain because Dorne itself is a bland cultureless mess that takes no inspiration or cues from actual Spanish culture(like the invaders being beloved and taking over the entire culture instead of almost genocided off the continent at the first opportunity) since Martin only learned enough about Anglo and some French history to rip events from that, and never touched a history book again.
butthurt native detected
but yeah i couldnt really tell it was supposed to be spain either. its just some vague liberal's idea of what moorish spain was like; progressive and clean, they brought soap to the crackas n shiet, and also had lots of gay buttsex.
Native to what?
And yes, it's basically meme culture Spain, because Moorish Spain would have castrated every single person in Dorans royal family if they were found to be as openly degenerate as they were, and there is no point in Spanish history where the "King's" wife could just frick off back to her homeland, or where her marriage wouldn't have a military or economic alliance to that homeland mentioned or noted once.
Dorne was Dune (I know, wow Martin) so it was basically Martin writing his own version of the fremen, which is why they would disappear into the desert anytime the outlanders came to conquer them.
IIRC they have, several times, and whoever ends up replacing the old iron islanders just evolves into shitty vikings anyway
They get fricked up during the Dance of Dragons.
whenever I see these kind of maps I just want to boot up the awoiaf mod for mount and blade and start a new character
I wanted to do a new campaign in Bannerlord but I couldn’t get the newest version to work.
I’d post my previous campaign which was pretty cool but I’m away from my desk.
Alright, who can tell what my banner is referencing?
I ended up conquering the Three Daughters and ruling the Disputed Lands.
You've asked this before. It's Varys' riddle of the priest, the merchant and the king.
Well that was a long time ago, is it that hard to believe you wouldn't be here?
you're here forever.
Yeah but it's 6 am
kys pedo
Taking a look at that map and I can't think of anything more generic than those names. Howling Hills? Grey Wastes? Red Waste? Great Sand Sea?
Bravo you fricking hack
What's in Ulthos?
Sothoryos looks like a great place
ulthos' purpose is just to tantalize anyone looking at the world map, it represents the idea that there is so much more that is unseen, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
to my knowledge, the only thing he's ever said about ulthos is in a hypothetical where he points this out, basically saying that the westerosi know it is there but know basically nothing about it. they don't know whether it's another continent, a big island, or just another part of essos.
>southern continent
>"Sothoryos"
>'cel can't handle good writing
Maybe Dr Seuss is more your speed.
>pulpy genre fantasy soap opera
>good writing
Ummm YIKES sweaty
>Mossovy
what happens there?
It’s just another skin changer infested wilderness apparently. Skinchangers aren’t unique to Westeros. There are some in Asshai too.
> There are some in Asshai too.
Also dragons. They are seen in visions.
Whether they are Valyrian dragons or something else, we cannot say.
>Also dragons. They are seen in visions.
Bran's dreams from the first book? Either a vision of the future or the past but not the present. If that were the case, we'd have heard about it but rumors of dragons only appear in the AFFC prologue.
It's literally Muscovy, as in Moscow.
woah
Norvos is also vaguely Slavic, with the Bearded Priests and their Bardiche Axes
>It's literally Muscovy, as in Moscow.
There is even Carcossa on the map IIRC.
Also winged men and bone men or some shit.
Although winged men might be guys with gliders simply.
There is also some China-like with huge colossal mega towers in the north.
>K'dath and the Grey Waste
Are you fricking kidding me? Thats well past and homage and straight into plagiarism territory
Nah it's just homage. Lovecraft did the same thing with writers he liked.
>Carcosa
>City of the winged men
>Kadath and the Grey Wastes
>Ib
>Leng
Lovecraft would subtly namedrop another thing once or twice per story, and his stories were set in our world(or another world connected to ours).
This is on a completely different level, and its in a supposedly completely unique fantasy world with extensive worldbuilding. One would be fine, two would be pushing it, this is ridiculous
There's also all the various names for Azor Ahai which IIRC take from Elric.
Various names for the Last Hero*
Yeah I made a lot of mistakes in that post, especially because only one name calls back to Elric IIRC.
It never mentioned once inmultiple seasons or books so dont fret about it
>>8000 years of recorded history
I am pretty sure there is a point in the books where they point out that the recorded history they have is mostly bullshit with things like kings living hundreds of years or various anachronisms.
We fought with pointy sticks for longer, what's your point?
He doesn't understand scale, as exemplified when he saw the Wall in the show and said, ''Oh I'm moronic I should have written 60ft. instead of 600, I didn't realize how big that was." Likewise he has no ability to conceive of how long his timeline is. There is no reason that his entire universe couldn't be contained to a few hundred years but he's incapable of restraint, he is the embodiment of glut and excess, so ofc he needs as big a number possible like he needs a giant turkey leg in his fat mouth.
It's fantasy.
>I go to Kong Hong. Far from the White walkers jurisdiction
stupid, low effort, but made me giggle. you win a single internet
kek brilliant, sophisticated, you are the king of Cinemaphile
I thought the point was that the winters cause a massive depopulation every few hundred years that is the equivalent of the black death. Specialisation impossible to maintain long enough to have an industrial society.
This is what happens when you have magic, dragons and shit. Steam engines, that would usher in the industrial revolution and further technological and societal advancement, have probably been "invented" hundreds of times. However when one is invented the people with dragons see how it wouldn't just be them with the power so burn down the inventors workshop and kill the inventor, before it gets to the stage where the steam engine could be put in a dragon proof tank or something.
To the dragon user being able to do something faster and with less fuss using a machine is considerably less important than being able to have a monopoly on the only way to do something.
Dragons are new to Westeros though. There's thousands of years of history before Aegon and his sisterwives bad dragon'd the continent. And magic in asoiaf is mostly very subtle. Maybe you could argue that long winters acted as resets but irl Europe arguable went through worse with the black plague.
There are subtle/vague Lovecraft references everywhere, and the world is tainted in some way.
The Shire has literal Victorian era amenities lmfao.
Bree is like a thousand years more ahead than Minas Tirath LMFAO.
Gandalf comments on this in the movies.
He says something along the lines "Great bloodlines of men have grown stagnant, and they worship empty tombs and statues of old" or something.
>Westeros is in the west
>Essos is in the east
Deep...
It’s hilarious how much a fat old man triggers this website
Looks like someone's fun glands have ossified.
20 year winters will do that. All they do is prepare for Winter.
And they just sit on their asses during the winter? Not thinking or improving anything, just being all "damn it's cold lmao"
They're trying not to die
>8000 years of recorded history
>no technical advancement
China in a nutshell.
All of those were invented by Black people, try harder.
what the actual frick is up with American education
lmao
The third post isn’t wrong, though.
don't get me wrong, they invented all of that but then they did nothing but frick around for 4000 years waiting for Europeans to reach them and bring them much more advanced versions of their own inventions.
You can hardly call discovering black powder an invention, the same way Oppenheimer "invented" the atomic bomb.
Even the Chinese hate this, since they then have to compare themselves with westerners who *actually* innovated with it.
damn whole 15 of them??
>every planet's core have the same density!!
The mental gymnastics needed to make GRRM's halfbrained writing even remotely coherent is amazing. I know you're just baiting for the last ten posts or so, but it really showcases how shitty these books are by any standard conceivable.
>Alcohol
>Tea
wut
>Printing
double wut
Probably some variations of it, idk I just googled Chinese inventions and grabbed a screenshot.
lmao butthurt chink detected
Nope, just had to correct someone when they implied that China hasn't done shit in 8000 years
I dislike it when people are wrong and or stupid on the internet.
yes I'm autistic
Chinese don’t even like using their “great inventions” as a basis for their accomplishments, due to what
and
said.
Stuff like natural gas pipes were more impressive.
>Stuff like natural gas pipes were more impressive.
I agree. Hell, even a woman completely btfo china when it comes to inventions. Florence Nightingale.
>Nope, just had to correct someone when they implied that China hasn't done shit in 8000 years
inventing wheelbarrow and kites isn't the opposite of not doing shit
I don't know about the other stuff, but I once looked into the "Chinese invention" of the compass and was sorely unimpressed. Do you know what an OG Chinese compass is? Nothing. It's a bit of magnetic metal on a plate that is merely a device of curiosity and feng shui superstition.
An ACTUAL compass that is used for navigation, is hand held, has fluid needle set in device that points to cardinal directions - you know the thing you think of when you think compass - that was totally a European development.
Actually looking at it more... movable type? Nah dude. Maybe there was a prototype in Korea that never got off the ground, but mechanical printing was never done in China before Gutenberg.
And the wheelbarrow was invented in Greece, thought the Chinese had a parallel invention. It's weirder that more civilizations didn't have wheelbarrows. I can't imagine heavy labor without one, and yet that's the norm.
there are some parallels, things other civs found that ours didn't, not to be "that guy"
chinese had curved plough blades that distributed stress better, broke less often, and were more effective
they also worked out pascal's (zheng's) triangle and (some of) linear algebra first
there was a chinese schematic for a repeating crossbow that was dated to 1100 AD
ancient indians had at least one handgun in 900 bc, although it wasn't very practical
I hate that half of fantasy setting are basically britain but with different names
What's up with fantasy worlds never advancing on anything, thousands of years of history but no one ever decided to try building a better cart to move stuff with? No industries? Nothing?
some do it well enough. the wheel of time, for example, takes place in a rennesance period long after an apocalyptic event erupts and is slowly consuming the world.
But thats not even the most annoying aspect. The Targs early on had dragons which can short of explain how static westeros is because it one royal family and a lot of lower ones kept in line in 7 kingdoms. But after the dragons die off there is no reason for the same families to keep power. Martin doesnt get feudalism which irl was a contantly shifting web of alliances, revolts and betrayals.
He was supposedly influenced by Rois Maudit books and many plots are lifted from there and the war of the roses, but still the feudal dynasties in Westeros are way too loyal to the crown compared to those wars. The fact that the same families have been rulling even before the Targs is also very absurd and unrealistic. So Asoiaf is not even really realistic feudalism.
>a contantly shifting web of alliances, revolts and betrayals.
This is what ASOIAF is like though
The houses literally had 3+ thousand years of history before that. They don't even have actual tangible magic like the Targs to explain themselves, funnily enough the Targaryens are the most realistic part about the feudal kingdoms because motherfrickers like the Freys are older than the entire United States government and remained vassals that whole time.
Jesus fricking christ, stop complaining and enjoy something for once in your sad, hopefully short, life.
Always been hilarious how the same families have controlled the Seven Kingdoms for hundreds of years, then suddenly multiple famlies explode within a few decades.
There's like 6 Targaryans during Robert's Rebellion.
Meanwhile the Reds massacred every Romanov they could find and yet there's still somehow three claimants to the head of the family.
*Yawn*
GRRM is infinitely more creative than you will ever be.
10/10 map
There's nothing funny about it
Learn to laugh at yourself a little george. Cmon, lands of sometimes winter is pure gold
??????
its probably cold up there
once past the northern pole it gets warmer because it's on the other side of the planet, simple as that
>North pole
Really?
yes, REALLY b***h.
(this is a mercator projection obviously)
>the distance between the equatoryus and Nordpolleus is the length of England
Bravo Martin
I think they've tried to state that westeros is the size of north america, but that makes some of the speed characters and armies have ludicrous
Not to mention the fact that these feudal kingdoms would require organizational talents far exceeding that of the Roman Empire at its height.
....wait, do you think all planets have the same size??! jfc
GoT's planet is just smaller sweetie...
its actually much larger, westeros is the size of south america
I know that is what GRRM keeps parroting, but as this anon
said, that makes it even more idiotic because travel times stop making any sense whatsoever.
>What is gravity?
>Isle of Brown Harlots
>mogs both tolkein and GERM
>nooo mommy you can't leave me
>kills self
They both mog him on account of not being gays.
Robert E. Howard was a close friend of HP Lovecraft.
HP Lovecraft was such a racist influence on Robert that he became LESS racist because of him.
oh n--
Literally the SHITTEST fantasy map on record
young adult shit is better than this
That's just how the world happened to look you can't just change it because some moron (you in this case) from the internet thinks its too close to just being two big rectangles
>That's just how the world happened
Are you autistic or mentally handicapped? You do realize that it's a fictional world intentionally and consciously created by Martin, and not a real planet sprung into existence following complex geological processes*
imagine Earth but infested only with people of colour
>Britain parked next to Turkey
Real original fantasy world you have there.
ASoIAF lore is just thousands of years of vague history followed by 280 years of recorded history. Still better than Warcraft which only has a few decades of history but Tolkien did it better. Though as an ex-fan I still credit Gurm for creating a setting as comfy as Westeros, it used to really activate my imagination and I arguably prefer his more historical approach to Tolkien's legendary one but there's still not enough creative fantasy elements in it for my taste.
I enjoy both Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire
>writes the same book over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
Truly a genius of prose
Yeah, Sanderson is a total hack.
Magic systems fricking suck. When things are overly systemic/understood, you then have to RELY on the people to continue calling it magic, which isn’t assured. What is magic to one is not magic to another.
Modern science is itself an evolution on past magical thought. The word for pharmacy once meant sorcery/poison in old Greek. Alchemists were wizards. No longer. When everyone can buy potions no one is a witch.
Death Gate Cycle by Weiss and Hickmann have an interesting magic system.
"Some years ago, I was working on a fantasy series called Death Gate with Margaret Weis. We needed two competing systems of magic that made sense. I remembered a saying of my old friend, Jeff Grubb. He defined quantum physics as "figures, figures, figures, figures, figures ... and then God does something ... figures, figures, figures, figures, figures." So, in order to create a believable pair of magic systems, I researched what amounted to Newtonian versus Quantum mechanics and, later, competing visions of quantum theory. I read popular science books regarding Relativity, quantum mechanics, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, parallel universes and chaos theory. The results were a wonderful and sensible pair of magic systems that made sense because they were modeled on quantum and chaos theories."
rune magic, which manipulates the Wave of possibilities, allowing Patryns to view a myriad of possible outcomes and select one to occur. The more unlikely the possibility, however, the more difficult to conjure.
Sounds moronic. You're not programming a game, you're writing fiction. If you can't make magic feel natural and not world-breaking without resorting to years-long calculations about shit no one cares about, then write true crime books or whatever.
It isn't magic if it has mathematicaly defined rules and limitations. If you need to convey a range of a magic fireball, just write that it's the same as the length of a graveyard or something mystical like that, instead of doing nerdy algebra.
This. Sanderson's entire idea about "soft magic" and "hard magic" is moronic because the former is real magic, and the later is just some boring engineering discipline masquarading as sorcery.
His entire view on magic is inspired by video games and table tops -- mediums that require abstract representations of mystical powers in order to, well, function. He's writing prose like he's writing a FRP manual. I don't care how many books he wrote because every single one of them feels boring and unimaginative, and entire conflicts revolve around "wizards" doing spreadsheet calculations at each other.
Shut up cronchy kot
The dumb cat poster is right you know
An ancient Chinese alchemist recorded the properties of gunpowder like seven hundred years before it was officially discovered by later Chinese alchemists lol.
Saltpetre, a vital ingredient in it, has also been labeled “Chinese snow” due to its abundance in the east.
This implies bugmen were either hoarding their secrets even from their own, or they had a massive brain fart for several centuries.
It is actually conceivable that persons in antiquity discovered essential things without even realizing it. Their names are just lost to dust.
There is an area in the UK/Scotland called Wester Ross
>8000 years of recorded history
I sure you, our records is 100% fair, trust them. They are not lying.
>>no technical advancement
Collaps of empire? Degradation of society and technology? No way, it s imposible!
>>Just unending sludge of different flavors of feudalism and barbarism
Welcome to 21 century, we have both!
something i dont get is the crypts of winterfell.
they are said to be insanely large, bigger than the castle itself, with the oldest crypts of the stark lords on the lowest unesplored levels underground where the structure is rumored yo be dangerous.
but like... why would the oldest portions be the deepest levels? how does that make sense? they built the bottom levels of the crypt first? it seems like the newer entries into the crypt should be the ones that are buried in harder to reach expansions? do they meticulously re-bury the stark lords deeper and deeper down to make room in the top levels? in which case the lower levels would still have to be the newer additions
Maybe they saw the future and knew how large the crypts have to be? lmao
Some think there’s an insidious history to the Starks that we are not seeing. That the current Starks are descended from horrible warg kings.
The Starks only have their warging genetics due to an ancestor of theirs defeating another warg king and taking his daughters.
>y would the oldest portions be the deepest levels? how does that make sense? they built the bottom levels of the crypt first? it seems like the newer entries into the crypt should be the ones that are buried in harder to reach expansions? do they meticulously re-bury the stark lords deeper and deeper down to make room in the top levels? in which case the lower levels would still have to be the newer additions
There are other structures like this in Westeros.
There is a tower with something similar beneath it, and the Greyjoys inhabit some ruins from "oily black stone" like that too
One explanation was that these were indeed bunkers from atomic war that happened tens of millennia ago.
It probably wasn’t nuclear war in the expected sense. I say this because the world’s genetics are clearly compromised by *something* inhuman. Alien.
Reminder that dragons descend from the sea, and rapist fish men once dominated the world!
>Reminder that dragons descend from the sea, and rapist fish men once dominated the world!
There are also Neanderthals or something that resembles them and apemen in the south
Qohor sacrifices infants in their efforts to reforge Valyrian steel lmao
Insane not!Slavics
I like how Qohor is called the ‘city of sorcery’ despite being nowhere near as sorcerous as the true city of sorcery, Asshai.
HOW THE HELL DOES MAGIC EVEN WORK IN THIS WORLD?????
You have wizards like Melisandre who can queef out assassination smoke. Why did she only do it once? Why can’t Bran mentally rape people? Why doesn’t he use swarms of birds in the war? Why don’t more alchemists make more wildfire and spray them at people like the Greeks did? Why does Thoros only revive one person?
Magic isn’t a true, proper science.
Magic has a cost and it's not that easy to do that shit. Melisandre said that Stannis would die if he would try to produce another shadow. Bran can control a simple mind like Hodor, but a totally stable person will fight against it like that wildling woman in the ADWD prologue.
Martin said that this kind of comment comes from masters who haven't set foot in Asshaii and live on the other side of the world. As
said you shouldn't believe this kind of comment, there are probably families in Asshaii.
Didn’t Marwyn confirm that there are no children in Asshai? He’s actually been there. He says everyone walks alone. It matches up with Yeen too. Life barely thrives there.
The problem is assuming Martin knows what he is doing, he lost the plot in his books long time ago.
Some of the locations in the East are named after Cthulhu mythos too as a prank
Magic is a sick frick. It isn’t actually nice. It has been compared to a wiener biting prostitute.
Name a worse fantasy map
If Martin wants a world with feudalism to write about, that's fine. But given the circumstances of Aegon's conquest, it's not realistic that feudalism is still the default in Westeros. Feudalism ended in part because technology allowed the central government to subdue the lords, and Aegon had the ultimate battle technology in the form of dragons. He had more than enough power to totally wipe the slate clean but just didn't.
Martin also greatly overstates the value and utility of betrayal vs loyalty. A guy like Littlefinger would only have one or two big betrayals before no one trusted him at all.
Gay and moronic
it's canon. cope and seethe
What's that green area protected by the mountains in the south after desert ends?
Looks comfy
Frick essos and sothoryos are 10 times more interesting than fricking westeros, I would love a show exploring asshai, yiti, the 5 forts andall the dark magic and creatures associated with that part of the world, but the pussies at HBO just want to do the fricking targaryens riding dragons
They seem more interesting to you because you know so much less about them, your mind is enticed by the mysterie of the unknown. But if those mysteries got answers you'd get bored of them too.
May be, but Id much rather watch a show about that then the targaryens fricking each other over the years, like there are more possibilities in this world than that
>no technical advancement
Wow, just like Europe.
Valyrians were sick frick bestiality freaks and mass breeders of chimeric abominations.
They probably bred the pic-equivalent of dragons. Flightless things that can’t even breathe fire properly, sitting on a lazy dragonlord’s lap. Other dragon lords would decry it as “inhumane” but people still breed them anyway.
>unpredictable season lengths that include decades long winters that constantly reset the population levels
>Maesters keeping knowledge of the world under lock and key
>People would rather roll the dice with real, wild magic than actually try science.
They're in a forever dark age for understandable reasons, it's kind of like a slightly better situation than the trisolaris in The Three Body Problem.
Last point isnt so different from our world
true, there just hasn't been a supervolcano eruption, asteroid impact, global drought, or solar flare lately
>it's kind of like a slightly better situation than the trisolaris in The Three Body Problem.
Exactly! If their solar system has 2 stars, they could have chaotic orbital periods.
Every time there is a 20+ year winter it must reset almost all control structures down to clan level at best.
Wouldnt civilizations near the equator like Dorne be the most advanced then
So basically Martin copied this from Helliconia?
Helliconia has a very long year (called the "great year"), equivalent to 2,500 Earth years,[2] and global temperatures vary greatly over this period. A major theme of the trilogy is the fragility of human civilisation in the context of environmental changes, and the ability of humanity to preserve and recreate civilisation. Phenomena related to the changing of the seasons of the Great Year provide a deus ex machina plot device in the climax of each of the three books (the exploding trees at the end of Spring which allow the heroes to escape a phagor attack, the migrating sea monsters at the end of Summer which allow the heroes to fend off an invading army, and the marauding phagors at the end of Winter which allow Luterin to escape from his captors).
Helliconia is populated by two intelligent races, humans and phagors. Helliconian humans are not the same species as Earth humans, having evolved entirely independently, but are remarkably similar in appearance, intellect, behaviour, and culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helliconia_Winter
>copied
I'm pretty sure he used abnormal seasons in some of the other Thousand Worlds books that he wrote in the 70s, so idk if he 'copied' anything or if he got it from someone else. After all, most things have already been done.
Thousand Worlds also has planets that have regressed from space-faring humans to feudalism. That, the collective hiveminds like the weirwood, and the presence of the Pale Child Bakkalon in the House of B&W (which is probably just an easter egg) is why so many people have kept asking GRRM if Planetos is part of the Thousand Worlds.
How do you know its a single year tho, I mean I can also take a 2000 year period and say its a single year, what proof do they have towards it
The Doom wasn’t a volcanic eruption, it was a subterranean sea sinking in on itself.
>8000 years of recorded history
>actually believing in the inflated timescale that the maesters cobbled together to try and make sense of the pre-Andal stories
>biggest edgelord in the entire asoiaf universe
>jobs to a fricking seatbelt
Very common fantasy/sci-fi trope. Same thing in LotR, Dune, Star Wars, probably Warhammer as far as I know...
The Empire of Man in Warhammer Fantasy does experience technological advancement and is right on the cusp of entering the modern era proper with steam engines during the "End Times".
Bretonnia is more in a state of enforced Medieval statis due to the blessing of their goddess, but lore tidbits indicate the modern world is coming whether they like it or not.
Elves of all stripes are long lived and arrogant and doesn't see any need to change their societies.
Dwarfs do innovate but demand literal centuries of testing and prototyping before using any new tech.
star wars setting is only stagnant because of a video game series
GRRM is a very entertaining writer and his books are a blast to read so long as you don't dwell on anything he's written for longer than a few moments
>8000 years of recorded history
>The books mention again and again that the current wolrd lives in the aftermath of the Valyrian Doom
>Mentions of lost technologies, forgotten magic and other technical advancents lost forever with the valyrian civilization
Double illiterate Black person, frick you and your low effort bait thread
Just checked his blog. Didn't say a word about progress so that means he isn't writing. Sad to see. The only ending we're gonna get is Preston's fanfiction project.
Kinda weird how they use Aegon's Conquest as year 1 and not the Doom of Valyria.
>more christcuck larpers sucking off tolkien
his world is shallow and juvenile. sure you can pick holes in westeros but it’s far more compelling
>it’s far more compelling
>terrible image
>terrible opinion
>medieval means middle period
>lasts 8000 years
>Kayakayanaya