>Capitalism is when government subsidised companies lobby for government regulations so they can abuse workers and then ship labor overseas to avoid a job market.
So Capitalism, the study of free markets and personal capital, is when the Government, a collective organisation, purposefully imposes limits on both free markets and personal capital by allowing corporations to form monopolies.
Was the existence of corporate lobbyists to the government not the biggest clue? Or when SCOTUS voted them super-citizen rights to flood as much money into campaign coffers as they pleased?
I take it you discovered politics in the last year or so, welcome to the Clown World, still better than the other worlds.
Yeah.
Whole point of a governmental body in capitalistic society is to keep markets free, and what's freer than allowing them to have monopolies. Especially since corporations are people and should be allowed to lobby. Not to mention the power this takes from the collective public i.e. the working class who are encouraged to 'get a different job' if they don't like their lack of living wage or benefits because they're so free. Don't take any government handouts though, you moocher. Those same corps though, oh they're going bankrupt so now the gov't will bail them out with a couple billion dollars. No biggie. Almost like it's a stupid system and you're slowly figuring it out.
Organized labor had a fork stuck in it 40 years ago, it was always going to be the counter-balance to corporate power. But it got corrupt, not....like....corporatations...wheeze.....at....all, so it just had to be defanged and neutered. For the good of all (Shareholders).
2 years ago
Anonymous
It'd be nice if we had well regulated capitalism rather than the Laissez-faire system we currently had.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is well-regulated, but the penalties have been politically moved to tiny fines, the heads of the regulatory depts are either ex-industry or wanting to move into the industry upon retirement, and government just doesn't have the direct will to challenge corporate. Corporate just has to scream "this will kill jerbs!!" and people are losing office.
All they had to do was scream "Commies!" at the Unions and gov't quickly moved to break their power. People buy into all these narratives pretty easily, its pretty easy to fool the profoundly distrustful and resentful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie, the big issues the west face right now is that the capitalism IS well regulated. The Regulations are just designed to frick over the people not in the government pockets.
It is well-regulated, but the penalties have been politically moved to tiny fines, the heads of the regulatory depts are either ex-industry or wanting to move into the industry upon retirement, and government just doesn't have the direct will to challenge corporate. Corporate just has to scream "this will kill jerbs!!" and people are losing office.
All they had to do was scream "Commies!" at the Unions and gov't quickly moved to break their power. People buy into all these narratives pretty easily, its pretty easy to fool the profoundly distrustful and resentful.
It doens't help most Unions in the US were infilitrated by commies who pushed the envelop too far and stopped arguing for the very capitalist point that Unions exist to allow workers to fairly sell their time.
Also you're acting like the Government is a poor little lamb at the whims of the Corporations and not the equal partner in the fricking up of capitalist systems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It doens't help most Unions in the US were infilitrated by commies
See, this tired refrain, it's been imprinted in people by the Reaganites. What stupid shit. Capitalism NEEDS to be leavened with a bit of Socialism, otherwise the recipe goes bad and you see the current results.
Instead you pray for Noble Beneficient Government, which is stupid. Corporate is full of greed and corruption, Gov't is full of greed and corruption. Unions were the greedy corrupt guys looking for YOUR interests.
But you keep praying for Selfless Gov't and voting for narcissistic con-men.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You fricking midwit idiot. Socialism is the practice of collective ownership. How the royal frick does that solve the issue of Governments and global corporations creating a feeding circle where they pump money into private govenment accounts for manipulated regulation and subsidaries.
If anything Socialism does nothing but endorse that idea, look at all the "Socialist" policies and see how quickly they fricking work to benefit large global corporations. Almost everything from healthcare to Universial basic income is designed to profit the people SUPPLYing those things over those needing the service
Hell, those covid relief packages did nothing but help big companies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>how does collective ownership stop what are now private organizational bodies from doing whatever they want
Real toughie.
>If anything Socialism does nothing but endorse that idea, look at all the "Socialist" policies and see how quickly they fricking work to benefit large global corporations. Almost everything from healthcare to Universial basic income is designed to profit the people SUPPLYing those things over those needing the service
What?
>Hell, those covid relief packages did nothing but help big companies.
Literally no one on the left is a fan of 100-billions in subsidies earmarked for corporations in that bill, I don't know where you getting the idea that it's a socialist policy to give corps that were benefiting exponentially from the pandemic more money.
The child tax credit cut child poverty in the US by roughly 30% though, so go figure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My point is a socialist government would simply own those companies, but the people working there would still be getting billion dollar benefit contracts while doing very little to earn them.
Yes, corruption is a constant battle wherever money pools. That doesn't make Unions EVIL, it simply makes them as problematic as everything else, but they SERVE A PURPOSE.
I never said Unions don't serve a purpose, but in 2022 any Union that exists is less for the workers and more for whatever politcal goal they are aligned with, which is usually shit for the government.
I don't see a single energy worker union arguing against enviromental energy tariffs for example.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh and when the Unions faded, everyone in the top offices of Corporate started getting paid far, far more than they deserved, and of course the Government types reaped tons of contribution monies.
The Unions never stopped arguing for more monies for the workers, even at the height of their own corruption, but now guess who has few monies? The common man is just that stupid.
>What's freer than allowing them to have monopolies
Breaking them up, so they can't strangle the market and cause said free market to stagnate and no longer allow the free trade of individual capital.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That gets in the way of personal capital since your senators are getting pockets lined by those same corporations that have an interest in protecting their market share. Who's to say they aren't being victims to governmental overreach by way of 'regulation'? Shit there's people saying this is the case right now in this very thread.
Obviously I believe in regulation, but the idea that capitalism is built around the idea that the government regulates it is ridiculous. It has to exist, but it's not supposed to. We're in the trenches of what happens when governmental bodies don't want to for their own personal benefit however.
Are you really so blind to anything not convenient to you that the fact that laws are the only thing that prevents monopolies to, even more, control market to the point that the concept of choosing is a memory?
All it takes for a group to be worked to the bone, on a void, is for there to be much more offer than there is demand, and right now you got people killing to get a piss poor job on the industry.
It's not as if people abusing employees whenever there are no laws to protect said employees was some sort of crazy nightmare dystopia.
People are shitty and that translates to all things. Don't be blind to faults of that which you like and blame them fully on that which you don't like.
Crunch is when they make you work excessive and usually unpaid because they've set an unrealistic and arbitrary deadline and rather than delay their release and admit fault they're just going to threaten you with unemployment, so get used to sleeping in 4 hour shifts at your desk for a month.
Also chewy cookies are better than crunchy cookies.
Crunch doesn't really make sense to me. unless he has the power to blacklist you from the industry, you're looking like a sucker for accepting to work without getting paid
The industry is just people, if you're skilled enough people will be willing to pay you to do it. Unless they lie about you. It's easier to accept work from an butthole, than a nice person you've heard is an butthole. People have their guard up because of two-faced buttholes. Right now actually people are using deep fakes to get remote work. You could also get plastic surgery.
We don't live in a meritocracy, higher up will absolutely use their influence to screw you over if you rock the boat and unless you're the absolute cream of the crop it's gonna close a lot of doors for you. It's not even something limited to just VFX artists, nepotism reigns supreme in most industries.
I was working in a start up and was there when both of our CEOs had a chat with our IT guys. One of the CEOs was like "even if we need you guys doing a night shift, it's important because we need to get the work done fast" and one of the IT guys who was a working student was like "I'm not a CEO. I will do my best during my time here but I won't be doing nights or weekends" in the most respectful manner. It was funny seeing the CEOs at a loss for words
Unironically yes. There's been a lot of people coming forward to talk about how unrealistic the deadlines are and that that's why they look like so bad.
>morons wont unionize >companies abuse them since they can get away with it
They'll just move the VFX out to India and we'll get a bunch of bollywood style special effects movies.
Which actually sounds hilarious so yes please let's do that.
Fitting for marvel movies, honestly. Why haven't they done that to begin with? Also going by what movies they pump out, all of asia loves cheesy looking shit CGI, so that's another plus.
Frick you, commie. We need more men like Andrew Carnegie, and fully militarized private police with total immunity from prosecution. Impaled unionists screaming as they slip down the stake on national television will make sure captains of industry are free fro obstruction.
No, see that's GOOD, corrupt frickheads want their own Domain to THRIVE, because that's good for the frickheads.
What is Le Bad is being a disorganized clusterfrick against everyone ELSES corrupt frickheads.
Hence you are at the mercy of corrupt frickheads.
And this is the Current State. Labor is a disorganized mess than can be played against one another at a whim, at the mercy of corrupt Gov't and Corporate frickheads.
AND STILL people think that's good and proper, and pray for non-corrupt Corporate or Gov't Masters to come to their rescue.
STUPID.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Britbong here. Unions in this country have been the militant arm of the Labour government forever. our last non-blairite government was so fricking horrible in terms of overeach from Union strikes and forced national control that we had rolling blackouts because the Unions forced 4 day working weeks in the power sector.
Like fricking everything, the issue is not the structure of power, but the lack of counterbalances to ensure corruption cannot run them into the fricking ground.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, corruption is a constant battle wherever money pools. That doesn't make Unions EVIL, it simply makes them as problematic as everything else, but they SERVE A PURPOSE.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't disagree with the concept of unions but it's a sad truth that they usually just frick you over twice instead of actually doing what they're intended for.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't disagree with the concept of unions but it's a sad truth that they usually just frick you over twice instead of actually doing what they're intended for.
The modern Union of the last 25 years has been so hamstrung by government regulations against them that they are utterly toothless creatures.
The activities that gave Unions a real threat and power are now federally illegal, there are even harsh limits on the Strike Funds that can be amassed. It's pretty well over for Labor in the USA, but hey Teh Commies were pwned!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Walk outs are still literally legal in every single state anon.
What you're trying to argue is a Union can't become a militia to literally threaten non-union workers, which has always been illegal, which is why Union busters existed.
Hell, enticing riots was a literal soviet agitator tactic, if you want to blame anyone on the fall of US Unions, blame them for providing fuel for the fire. And don't give me bullshit about this being false, we've know for decades Unions and Hollywood were full of the subversive shits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Walk outs are still literally legal in every single state anon.
YES at this point, it would be a bloody fight just like the start of the 20th Century, Reagan's acolytes sold everyone down the river.
No, no one is getting that power back by voting or being nice. "But teh Soviets", yes good lad, keep stopping teh Socialists. Good pup!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>B-But Unions need to be able to murder people to get their point across.
Right now in the UK our rail engineer unions are on strike shutting down entire swathes of infastructre by not showing up to work or by picketing in public spaces.
They're on track to win everything they wanted, like they always fricking do, because they prove they are required and not replaceable.
>Union corruption is good because I agree with their political leaning sometimes.
Wow, what a logical argument, it's totally good that the worker gets fricked twofold instead of once because the Union wants to argue for more money or forces picketing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wow, what a logical argument,
I hope your parents had at least one non-moronic child.
It has NOTHING to do with political leanings child. It has everything to do with Money and Power.
Gov't is organized. Corporate is organized. They hold the power and thus the money. Labor is disorganized and has no real power or money.
I will look for my crayons to draw this for you.
How is a union boss prioritizing lining their own pockets instead of the common member supposed to benefit them? Especially when companies can pay them off during a union shakedown and keep status quo instead of actually improving shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unions aren't stupid, and they are democratically elected. If they become the b***hes of Corporate (this never happens, which is why Hoffa is missing), they are voted out.
They BOUGHT the gov't.
Keep licking that corporate boot. Corporate loves you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie Unions are almost always run by bosses brought in to be elected. The idea that you start off as a union rep and work your way to the top is extremely rare.
Almost every union boss is a political actor. Hell, from where I am from they are literally entwined with political parties.
2 years ago
Anonymous
EVERYTHING with money ends up being political.
Again, that's not a strike against Unions. There are no real powerful Unions left in US, and everyone is doing poor with monies as a direct result of it. THAT'S the important point.
Not "but they might succumb to the corruption! But they might get political" Of course they will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop trying to imply they are a perfect solution, not all Companies are bad either, like you said, money and politics corrupt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've never implied that; I admitted they are prone to corruption and politics LIKE EVERYTHING INVOLVING MONEY. But they WERE in your corner. You think Corporate is in your corner?
Do you?? Even the tiniest bit???
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I don't. I think nobody is in my corner, it's just sometimes these things align and the large politically motivated group may benefit me.
The ultimate goal should be everyone is their own boss, with their labour value determined by their skills and agreed to be sold to whomever desires it.
That is what Unionsed USED to be for, now they work just like corporations, gathering workers to use them as material for their own goals.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No, I don't. I think nobody is in my corner
The height of the Unions, women could sit at home with kids, men could make enough to buy a Mustang and a nice house, and work dignified hours.
Without college debt, without sucking boss's dick. Now Unions don't work at all; because Reagan and the Republicans made union activity effectively a Federal crime.
You can BE in a Union, but God help you if you act in a Union-like manner.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is your mind on Socialism. It's not the doubling of the workforce with women that destroyed wages, not the massive globalist network that offshores any mid range skill work and then dumps dozens of lowpaid idiots in low-skill work.
Nah it's regan, because he made it so a Union can't arm themselves and shoot and murder anyone who disagreed with them.
Nevermind Unions are getting what they want when they actually do action properly, but you think they need to be revolutionaries so anything reasonable is automatically bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Now Unions don't work at all; because Reagan and the Republicans made union activity effectively a Federal crime.
Excuse me, but what Union activity do you think is a Federal Crime?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If they become the b***hes of Corporate they are voted out.
Wow, I'm sure glad that democracy has saved us from ever having representatives that are corporate bootlickers. Because the common voter is the pinnacle of reason and always votes for the best option. It's not like politics has NEVER voted in a corrupt actor. Also Hoffa got disappeared because he was in bed with the mob and lost favor with them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Politicians get re-elected because they get up to the hog trough for their States. The older and more silver the politician, the more pork they can grab in their snout. Thus they become invaluable on a State level. Cretins like Gaetz think they have this kind of imperviousness as a freshman and whoops! they are gone.
And always the Politicians can play the Race, Religion, and My Way of Life cards and fool idiots into voting away their prosperity.
Which was one of my original points.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It happens at EVERY level of government and organization with influence. I saw a bunch of supervisors in my county get elected out four years ago purely because two of the minority leadership were able to get two influential groups involved to spread a bunch of flat out lies and then started giving those groups kickbacks once they had control of the county government. Of course they were a bunch of incompetent morons that are starting to bring our county into massive debt but the general public doesn't care, they only listen to the emotional shit. I don't have much experience with union politicking in particular but I imagine it operates the same exact way considering the results.
>unions in 1920:
We have to band together so the boss stops ignoring every time someone falls into the vat of molten steel for 10 cents an hour >unions in 2020:
waaaahhh I have to work a 10 hour shift and get paid overtime for it, capitalism has failed
What you don't believe in our very specific and niche ideas on gender, race or politics? You're getting fired we shall we right on with the HR department we work close with.
Sorry to burst your bubble anon, but rarely people have the luxury of being picky when getting a job. If they're hiring and it pays the bills then you go for it.
There is an army of nerds who's life dream is to work at marvel so Disney has no shortage of idiots willing to slave themselves through crazy hours and be paid in peanuts.
These artists can complain as much as they want, it doesn't matter, because there's a huge line of people begging to replace them. They just have nothing to bargain.
This happens in all entertainment industries. Movies, video games, music, comic books. It's just basic supply and demand. The more people who are capable and willing to do a job, the less they will get paid.
There is an army of nerds who's life dream is to work at marvel so Disney has no shortage of idiots willing to slave themselves through crazy hours and be paid in peanuts.
These artists can complain as much as they want, it doesn't matter, because there's a huge line of people begging to replace them. They just have nothing to bargain.
This happens in all entertainment industries. Movies, video games, music, comic books. It's just basic supply and demand. The more people who are capable and willing to do a job, the less they will get paid.
Basically the blue collar working man and the white collar wage slave dug a hole and buried themselves in it, to "own teh Commies".
Just like they are pouring gasoline into the hole and setting fire to themselves to "own teh coloreds". It just never ends.
>thread immediately devolves into sperging about corporations and making up armchair theories to make themselves feel superior
You guys are such fricking homosexuals holy shit
There is no armchair theory Bert. As long as you label something Le Bad, no matter how beneficial it might be, it is Le Bad and midwits will saw their own dicks off to stop it.
That’s literally on the same tier as the most basic b***h “2deep” shit the average teenager says, it’s nothing but an empty platitude to make pseuds feel intellectually superior.
>three movies and four tv shows a year most of which having a post-production cycle of less than a year >results in overworked and underpaid VFX studios with uglier and uglier final products as a result of the terrible pipeline disney has forced upon them
who would've thought. the fact the audiences seem to not care how horrible marvel blockbusters are turning out visually compared to other blockbusters that have proper post-production cycles like top gun maverick goes to show disney has their audience by the balls. the new thor was like the third act of black panther but for the entire movie.
No one ever pauses to think "Who is applying these labels? Why would they do that? Have they ever looked out for my interests in the past?"
Nope, it's just "This is le Bad, le Unpatriotic, le Unchristian" and then proceed to frick themselves to death with rusty rebar.
It has never abated.
>Socialism and Communism some of the biggest philopshical and economic mistakes in human history >y-you just heard bad things
No, despite what people think, collectivism is a fricking moronic concept because all it takes is one cog in the machine to be a greedy or lazy frick and everything falls apart.
They could always not work for Marvel. If the pay is so bad why even work on that field? And if all studios pay shit, maybe they should consider a career change.
Most of the people flocking to consume MCU stuff won't even see this article, and the rest that do will just forget it when She-Hulk rolls around. And the fact that the CGI quality in MCU stuff is shit doesn't matter since you've got people for years shrugging off bad CGI with "well, it looks fine to me."
no, Hollywood has been abusing VFX houses for decades now. it's nothing new, just business as usual under capitalism
>Capitalism is when government subsidised companies lobby for government regulations so they can abuse workers and then ship labor overseas to avoid a job market.
>capitalism is when the government lets companies do whatever they want
Yes moron
So Capitalism, the study of free markets and personal capital, is when the Government, a collective organisation, purposefully imposes limits on both free markets and personal capital by allowing corporations to form monopolies.
Was the existence of corporate lobbyists to the government not the biggest clue? Or when SCOTUS voted them super-citizen rights to flood as much money into campaign coffers as they pleased?
I take it you discovered politics in the last year or so, welcome to the Clown World, still better than the other worlds.
Yeah.
Whole point of a governmental body in capitalistic society is to keep markets free, and what's freer than allowing them to have monopolies. Especially since corporations are people and should be allowed to lobby. Not to mention the power this takes from the collective public i.e. the working class who are encouraged to 'get a different job' if they don't like their lack of living wage or benefits because they're so free. Don't take any government handouts though, you moocher. Those same corps though, oh they're going bankrupt so now the gov't will bail them out with a couple billion dollars. No biggie. Almost like it's a stupid system and you're slowly figuring it out.
Organized labor had a fork stuck in it 40 years ago, it was always going to be the counter-balance to corporate power. But it got corrupt, not....like....corporatations...wheeze.....at....all, so it just had to be defanged and neutered. For the good of all (Shareholders).
It'd be nice if we had well regulated capitalism rather than the Laissez-faire system we currently had.
It is well-regulated, but the penalties have been politically moved to tiny fines, the heads of the regulatory depts are either ex-industry or wanting to move into the industry upon retirement, and government just doesn't have the direct will to challenge corporate. Corporate just has to scream "this will kill jerbs!!" and people are losing office.
All they had to do was scream "Commies!" at the Unions and gov't quickly moved to break their power. People buy into all these narratives pretty easily, its pretty easy to fool the profoundly distrustful and resentful.
homie, the big issues the west face right now is that the capitalism IS well regulated. The Regulations are just designed to frick over the people not in the government pockets.
It doens't help most Unions in the US were infilitrated by commies who pushed the envelop too far and stopped arguing for the very capitalist point that Unions exist to allow workers to fairly sell their time.
Also you're acting like the Government is a poor little lamb at the whims of the Corporations and not the equal partner in the fricking up of capitalist systems.
>It doens't help most Unions in the US were infilitrated by commies
See, this tired refrain, it's been imprinted in people by the Reaganites. What stupid shit. Capitalism NEEDS to be leavened with a bit of Socialism, otherwise the recipe goes bad and you see the current results.
Instead you pray for Noble Beneficient Government, which is stupid. Corporate is full of greed and corruption, Gov't is full of greed and corruption. Unions were the greedy corrupt guys looking for YOUR interests.
But you keep praying for Selfless Gov't and voting for narcissistic con-men.
You fricking midwit idiot. Socialism is the practice of collective ownership. How the royal frick does that solve the issue of Governments and global corporations creating a feeding circle where they pump money into private govenment accounts for manipulated regulation and subsidaries.
If anything Socialism does nothing but endorse that idea, look at all the "Socialist" policies and see how quickly they fricking work to benefit large global corporations. Almost everything from healthcare to Universial basic income is designed to profit the people SUPPLYing those things over those needing the service
Hell, those covid relief packages did nothing but help big companies.
>how does collective ownership stop what are now private organizational bodies from doing whatever they want
Real toughie.
>If anything Socialism does nothing but endorse that idea, look at all the "Socialist" policies and see how quickly they fricking work to benefit large global corporations. Almost everything from healthcare to Universial basic income is designed to profit the people SUPPLYing those things over those needing the service
What?
>Hell, those covid relief packages did nothing but help big companies.
Literally no one on the left is a fan of 100-billions in subsidies earmarked for corporations in that bill, I don't know where you getting the idea that it's a socialist policy to give corps that were benefiting exponentially from the pandemic more money.
The child tax credit cut child poverty in the US by roughly 30% though, so go figure.
My point is a socialist government would simply own those companies, but the people working there would still be getting billion dollar benefit contracts while doing very little to earn them.
I never said Unions don't serve a purpose, but in 2022 any Union that exists is less for the workers and more for whatever politcal goal they are aligned with, which is usually shit for the government.
I don't see a single energy worker union arguing against enviromental energy tariffs for example.
Oh and when the Unions faded, everyone in the top offices of Corporate started getting paid far, far more than they deserved, and of course the Government types reaped tons of contribution monies.
The Unions never stopped arguing for more monies for the workers, even at the height of their own corruption, but now guess who has few monies? The common man is just that stupid.
>What's freer than allowing them to have monopolies
Breaking them up, so they can't strangle the market and cause said free market to stagnate and no longer allow the free trade of individual capital.
That gets in the way of personal capital since your senators are getting pockets lined by those same corporations that have an interest in protecting their market share. Who's to say they aren't being victims to governmental overreach by way of 'regulation'? Shit there's people saying this is the case right now in this very thread.
Obviously I believe in regulation, but the idea that capitalism is built around the idea that the government regulates it is ridiculous. It has to exist, but it's not supposed to. We're in the trenches of what happens when governmental bodies don't want to for their own personal benefit however.
>what's freer than allowing them to have monopolies
No monopoly has existed in history without government backing it up.
Are you really so blind to anything not convenient to you that the fact that laws are the only thing that prevents monopolies to, even more, control market to the point that the concept of choosing is a memory?
All it takes for a group to be worked to the bone, on a void, is for there to be much more offer than there is demand, and right now you got people killing to get a piss poor job on the industry.
It's not as if people abusing employees whenever there are no laws to protect said employees was some sort of crazy nightmare dystopia.
People are shitty and that translates to all things. Don't be blind to faults of that which you like and blame them fully on that which you don't like.
Unironically correct, yeah.
Are VFX Artists Cookies? Every time I read about them it's about them complaining about ''crunch''
Crunch is when they make you work excessive and usually unpaid because they've set an unrealistic and arbitrary deadline and rather than delay their release and admit fault they're just going to threaten you with unemployment, so get used to sleeping in 4 hour shifts at your desk for a month.
Also chewy cookies are better than crunchy cookies.
Crunch doesn't really make sense to me. unless he has the power to blacklist you from the industry, you're looking like a sucker for accepting to work without getting paid
> unless he has the power to blacklist you from the industry,
Yes
They DO have the power to blacklist you from the industry. It's really common in video game studios as well.
The industry is just people, if you're skilled enough people will be willing to pay you to do it. Unless they lie about you. It's easier to accept work from an butthole, than a nice person you've heard is an butthole. People have their guard up because of two-faced buttholes. Right now actually people are using deep fakes to get remote work. You could also get plastic surgery.
We don't live in a meritocracy, higher up will absolutely use their influence to screw you over if you rock the boat and unless you're the absolute cream of the crop it's gonna close a lot of doors for you. It's not even something limited to just VFX artists, nepotism reigns supreme in most industries.
>You could also get plastic surgery.
Jesse wtf are you talking about
I was working in a start up and was there when both of our CEOs had a chat with our IT guys. One of the CEOs was like "even if we need you guys doing a night shift, it's important because we need to get the work done fast" and one of the IT guys who was a working student was like "I'm not a CEO. I will do my best during my time here but I won't be doing nights or weekends" in the most respectful manner. It was funny seeing the CEOs at a loss for words
Good on him, frick that boomer mentality of sacrificing my free time for a fricking company that I'm not even the owner of.
Good formatting, OP, first day?
vfx artists have been protesting for years by turning out janky garbage but disney keeps laughing and putting it in anyways
Is this why te effects in Marvel movies have been so shit lately?
Unironically yes. There's been a lot of people coming forward to talk about how unrealistic the deadlines are and that that's why they look like so bad.
Captcha: SJW VS
>omg likes matter!!!11
write better contracts, dipshits
They'll just move the VFX out to India and we'll get a bunch of bollywood style special effects movies.
Which actually sounds hilarious so yes please let's do that.
>watched RRR on Netflix
>better actionkino than anything marvel has made in decades with better cgi too
I haven't seen animal CGI that bad since Jungle Cruise but frick if I wasn't entertained.
Is this just colossal seethe at the British Raj?
t.britisher
RRR is indian brave heart
Fitting for marvel movies, honestly. Why haven't they done that to begin with? Also going by what movies they pump out, all of asia loves cheesy looking shit CGI, so that's another plus.
>morons wont unionize
>companies abuse them since they can get away with it
How are you blaming the workers? They should have a union for sure, but it's not exactly that simple.
Frick you, commie. We need more men like Andrew Carnegie, and fully militarized private police with total immunity from prosecution. Impaled unionists screaming as they slip down the stake on national television will make sure captains of industry are free fro obstruction.
Frick your Corporate-Socialist cuckold. Workers should be allowed to tell their narrow minded boss to shut up and let them do their job.
Companies being run by idiots in suits sucking government wiener for handouts are a blight on the world.
Unions only exist when the "Captains of Industry" fail to lead.
The problem with unions is that their own brand of corrupt frickhead is usually in charge of them.
What kind of corruption?
The "We will argue for higher wages at literally every point when better working conditions will be better" kind.
You never see a poor union boss, despite them doing less worker the higher up they are.
t. former Union Rep.
Gee, I dunno. What sort of corruption can form within an organization that prioritizes seniority and wants you to pay them a portion of your earnings?
No, see that's GOOD, corrupt frickheads want their own Domain to THRIVE, because that's good for the frickheads.
What is Le Bad is being a disorganized clusterfrick against everyone ELSES corrupt frickheads.
Hence you are at the mercy of corrupt frickheads.
And this is the Current State. Labor is a disorganized mess than can be played against one another at a whim, at the mercy of corrupt Gov't and Corporate frickheads.
AND STILL people think that's good and proper, and pray for non-corrupt Corporate or Gov't Masters to come to their rescue.
STUPID.
Britbong here. Unions in this country have been the militant arm of the Labour government forever. our last non-blairite government was so fricking horrible in terms of overeach from Union strikes and forced national control that we had rolling blackouts because the Unions forced 4 day working weeks in the power sector.
Like fricking everything, the issue is not the structure of power, but the lack of counterbalances to ensure corruption cannot run them into the fricking ground.
Yes, corruption is a constant battle wherever money pools. That doesn't make Unions EVIL, it simply makes them as problematic as everything else, but they SERVE A PURPOSE.
I don't disagree with the concept of unions but it's a sad truth that they usually just frick you over twice instead of actually doing what they're intended for.
>I don't disagree with the concept of unions but it's a sad truth that they usually just frick you over twice instead of actually doing what they're intended for.
The modern Union of the last 25 years has been so hamstrung by government regulations against them that they are utterly toothless creatures.
The activities that gave Unions a real threat and power are now federally illegal, there are even harsh limits on the Strike Funds that can be amassed. It's pretty well over for Labor in the USA, but hey Teh Commies were pwned!
Walk outs are still literally legal in every single state anon.
What you're trying to argue is a Union can't become a militia to literally threaten non-union workers, which has always been illegal, which is why Union busters existed.
Hell, enticing riots was a literal soviet agitator tactic, if you want to blame anyone on the fall of US Unions, blame them for providing fuel for the fire. And don't give me bullshit about this being false, we've know for decades Unions and Hollywood were full of the subversive shits.
>Walk outs are still literally legal in every single state anon.
YES at this point, it would be a bloody fight just like the start of the 20th Century, Reagan's acolytes sold everyone down the river.
No, no one is getting that power back by voting or being nice. "But teh Soviets", yes good lad, keep stopping teh Socialists. Good pup!
>B-But Unions need to be able to murder people to get their point across.
Right now in the UK our rail engineer unions are on strike shutting down entire swathes of infastructre by not showing up to work or by picketing in public spaces.
They're on track to win everything they wanted, like they always fricking do, because they prove they are required and not replaceable.
>Union corruption is good because I agree with their political leaning sometimes.
Wow, what a logical argument, it's totally good that the worker gets fricked twofold instead of once because the Union wants to argue for more money or forces picketing.
>Wow, what a logical argument,
I hope your parents had at least one non-moronic child.
It has NOTHING to do with political leanings child. It has everything to do with Money and Power.
Gov't is organized. Corporate is organized. They hold the power and thus the money. Labor is disorganized and has no real power or money.
I will look for my crayons to draw this for you.
How is a union boss prioritizing lining their own pockets instead of the common member supposed to benefit them? Especially when companies can pay them off during a union shakedown and keep status quo instead of actually improving shit.
Unions aren't stupid, and they are democratically elected. If they become the b***hes of Corporate (this never happens, which is why Hoffa is missing), they are voted out.
They BOUGHT the gov't.
Keep licking that corporate boot. Corporate loves you.
homie Unions are almost always run by bosses brought in to be elected. The idea that you start off as a union rep and work your way to the top is extremely rare.
Almost every union boss is a political actor. Hell, from where I am from they are literally entwined with political parties.
EVERYTHING with money ends up being political.
Again, that's not a strike against Unions. There are no real powerful Unions left in US, and everyone is doing poor with monies as a direct result of it. THAT'S the important point.
Not "but they might succumb to the corruption! But they might get political" Of course they will.
Stop trying to imply they are a perfect solution, not all Companies are bad either, like you said, money and politics corrupt.
I've never implied that; I admitted they are prone to corruption and politics LIKE EVERYTHING INVOLVING MONEY. But they WERE in your corner. You think Corporate is in your corner?
Do you?? Even the tiniest bit???
No, I don't. I think nobody is in my corner, it's just sometimes these things align and the large politically motivated group may benefit me.
The ultimate goal should be everyone is their own boss, with their labour value determined by their skills and agreed to be sold to whomever desires it.
That is what Unionsed USED to be for, now they work just like corporations, gathering workers to use them as material for their own goals.
>No, I don't. I think nobody is in my corner
The height of the Unions, women could sit at home with kids, men could make enough to buy a Mustang and a nice house, and work dignified hours.
Without college debt, without sucking boss's dick. Now Unions don't work at all; because Reagan and the Republicans made union activity effectively a Federal crime.
You can BE in a Union, but God help you if you act in a Union-like manner.
This is your mind on Socialism. It's not the doubling of the workforce with women that destroyed wages, not the massive globalist network that offshores any mid range skill work and then dumps dozens of lowpaid idiots in low-skill work.
Nah it's regan, because he made it so a Union can't arm themselves and shoot and murder anyone who disagreed with them.
Nevermind Unions are getting what they want when they actually do action properly, but you think they need to be revolutionaries so anything reasonable is automatically bad.
> Now Unions don't work at all; because Reagan and the Republicans made union activity effectively a Federal crime.
Excuse me, but what Union activity do you think is a Federal Crime?
>If they become the b***hes of Corporate they are voted out.
Wow, I'm sure glad that democracy has saved us from ever having representatives that are corporate bootlickers. Because the common voter is the pinnacle of reason and always votes for the best option. It's not like politics has NEVER voted in a corrupt actor. Also Hoffa got disappeared because he was in bed with the mob and lost favor with them.
Politicians get re-elected because they get up to the hog trough for their States. The older and more silver the politician, the more pork they can grab in their snout. Thus they become invaluable on a State level. Cretins like Gaetz think they have this kind of imperviousness as a freshman and whoops! they are gone.
And always the Politicians can play the Race, Religion, and My Way of Life cards and fool idiots into voting away their prosperity.
Which was one of my original points.
It happens at EVERY level of government and organization with influence. I saw a bunch of supervisors in my county get elected out four years ago purely because two of the minority leadership were able to get two influential groups involved to spread a bunch of flat out lies and then started giving those groups kickbacks once they had control of the county government. Of course they were a bunch of incompetent morons that are starting to bring our county into massive debt but the general public doesn't care, they only listen to the emotional shit. I don't have much experience with union politicking in particular but I imagine it operates the same exact way considering the results.
>unions in 1920:
We have to band together so the boss stops ignoring every time someone falls into the vat of molten steel for 10 cents an hour
>unions in 2020:
waaaahhh I have to work a 10 hour shift and get paid overtime for it, capitalism has failed
Also
>Unions in 2020
What you don't believe in our very specific and niche ideas on gender, race or politics? You're getting fired we shall we right on with the HR department we work close with.
At least half of those 80k people who liked it are going to line up to see the next marvel movie, so no
The collapse of Disney and the MCU cannot come fast enough, FRICK.
>Everyone in the industry hates disney and never wants to work for them
>People keep working for Disney
lmao imagine thinking people in art related fields get to pick and choose their employer with how replaceable they are
Sorry to burst your bubble anon, but rarely people have the luxury of being picky when getting a job. If they're hiring and it pays the bills then you go for it.
There is an army of nerds who's life dream is to work at marvel so Disney has no shortage of idiots willing to slave themselves through crazy hours and be paid in peanuts.
These artists can complain as much as they want, it doesn't matter, because there's a huge line of people begging to replace them. They just have nothing to bargain.
This happens in all entertainment industries. Movies, video games, music, comic books. It's just basic supply and demand. The more people who are capable and willing to do a job, the less they will get paid.
This is how Naughty Dog managed to mulch something like 60% of its staff during The Last of Us 2
Probably why it got leaked too
Any industry without a union will burn and turn.
B-but commies!! (says the half-wit).
wtf but marvel CGI is absolute dogshit in recent years because bigwig execs and actors pocket most of the budget
Basically the blue collar working man and the white collar wage slave dug a hole and buried themselves in it, to "own teh Commies".
Just like they are pouring gasoline into the hole and setting fire to themselves to "own teh coloreds". It just never ends.
>thread immediately devolves into sperging about corporations and making up armchair theories to make themselves feel superior
You guys are such fricking homosexuals holy shit
There is no armchair theory Bert. As long as you label something Le Bad, no matter how beneficial it might be, it is Le Bad and midwits will saw their own dicks off to stop it.
That’s literally on the same tier as the most basic b***h “2deep” shit the average teenager says, it’s nothing but an empty platitude to make pseuds feel intellectually superior.
>three movies and four tv shows a year most of which having a post-production cycle of less than a year
>results in overworked and underpaid VFX studios with uglier and uglier final products as a result of the terrible pipeline disney has forced upon them
who would've thought. the fact the audiences seem to not care how horrible marvel blockbusters are turning out visually compared to other blockbusters that have proper post-production cycles like top gun maverick goes to show disney has their audience by the balls. the new thor was like the third act of black panther but for the entire movie.
No one ever pauses to think "Who is applying these labels? Why would they do that? Have they ever looked out for my interests in the past?"
Nope, it's just "This is le Bad, le Unpatriotic, le Unchristian" and then proceed to frick themselves to death with rusty rebar.
It has never abated.
>Socialism and Communism some of the biggest philopshical and economic mistakes in human history
>y-you just heard bad things
No, despite what people think, collectivism is a fricking moronic concept because all it takes is one cog in the machine to be a greedy or lazy frick and everything falls apart.
They could always not work for Marvel. If the pay is so bad why even work on that field? And if all studios pay shit, maybe they should consider a career change.
Career changes scare people. And where is this benevolent field that you can suddenly swerve to for great monies?
Most of the people flocking to consume MCU stuff won't even see this article, and the rest that do will just forget it when She-Hulk rolls around. And the fact that the CGI quality in MCU stuff is shit doesn't matter since you've got people for years shrugging off bad CGI with "well, it looks fine to me."
i thought it was bullshit, but it's really pajeets doing cgi for marvel, no wonder it keeps getting worse and worse