Why is this type of character so hated? Do people just not want to admit that it's a much more realistic idea of superheroes? This is what special snowflake vigilantes would actually be like. This is more honest.
90s Anti-Heroes
Why is this type of character so hated? Do people just not want to admit that it's a much more realistic idea of superheroes? This is what special snowflake vigilantes would actually be like. This is more honest.
idk anon, I think it might be more the grimdark, overly gritty era people are opposed to as there are exceptions to that rule when it comes to characters. Venom is a pretty classic 90s anti-hero and he's become one of Marvel's bigger characters to this day.
ironic humor is running its course people crave genuine edge again now,
I genuinely believe the 2030s will be the decade where 90s/2000s edge returns in full force.
You're probably right.
Edge is not bad...people like edgy character but only when they do it for the right reasons. There were to much characters who were just school shooter tier buttholes.
>There were to much characters who were just school shooter tier buttholes.
Again, realistic. Anyone inclined to "take the law into their own hands" is pretty much guaranteed to be an unhinged psycho who really just wants an excuse to shoot people.
Realism isn’t the height of fiction. Realism is boring. You can’t just say “realistic” as if it’s synonymous with “good”
>Realism isn’t the height of fiction.
Stories are supposed to have meaning, which requires them to reflect on some aspect of life.
>To save his wife and unborn child.
>"No no, he HAD to slaughter all those kids and bring about a fascist regime because he was nervous about his wife's health and becoming a father."
... Are you actually moronic?
>.. Are you actually moronic?
Are you? He had nightmares about his mother dying and it came true. No shit he'd think his nightmares about Padme were legit. Did you even watch the movies?
I've had nightmares about bad things happening to my loved ones, and I didn't become a space nazi.
His nightmares came true, dumbass. They were visions of the future.
Oh boo hoo. Life sucks, get a helmet. Stop making excuses for the space nazi.
>and I didn't become a space nazi.
Not with that attitude you won't. Did you even try?
his nightmares about Padme were legit though? he just helped cause them.
Would the x men be better without costumes? Because that’d be more realistic. What about without powers? What if instead of mutant superheroes, they were normal humans? These are all choices that would make them more realistic. We enjoy fiction because it’s explicitly not real. It’s the Fantasy and idealism in fiction that makes it interesting. It’s seeing things we don’t get to see in our day to day lives. Do I need to see the protagonist if the story take a morning shit? No, because it doesn’t matter. That’s not to say that realistic elements don’t have a place in media, but they aren’t the parts that draw people to media, and they aren’t the parts people remember.
>There were to much characters who were just school shooter tier buttholes.
Were they, or did they just have a chip on their shoulder?
Same thing.
So-called "traditional" superheroes are ridiculous tryhard nonsense from losers who nurse revenge fantasies. 90s style heroes are just more honest about it.
>Same thing.
No it isn't. OG Spidey isn't a school shooter for having a bad temper and attitude about things. Anakin Skywalker ain't a school shooter for losing it when his mom died after she was raped and tortured for weeks. Human beings are flawed and will inevitably make mistakes or do shitty things here and there. No one is all good.
>OG Spidey isn't a school shooter for having a bad temper and attitude about things.
No, he's a school shooter for being a whiny b***h who's absolutely going to go full freak one day. It's really only a matter of time.
>Anakin Skywalker ain't a school shooter for losing it when his mom died after she was raped and tortured for weeks.
... He literally went to a room full of children to murder them. God Star Wars fans are fricking moronic.
>No, he's a school shooter for being a whiny b***h who's absolutely going to go full freak one day. It's really only a matter of time.
Everybody whines about something. You don't want characters to feel real, you want them to be cartoon caricatures.
>... He literally went to a room full of children to murder them. God Star Wars fans are fricking moronic.
To save his wife and unborn child. One should be able to tell by his face that he didn't want to do it, but he didn't want to lose his family like he lost his mother.
Either way, that depiction of Anakin is way better than TCW dudebro Anakin
>So-called "traditional" superheroes are ridiculous tryhard nonsense from losers who nurse revenge fantasies.
Not always. When the Flash has a wacky time-travelling adventure where his descendants fight all the Reverse-Flash's ancestors/descendants across different timelines, that isn't a revenge fantasy. That's just a fun adventure.
A much more realistic idea is a time traveller who uses telepathy to surpress nanomachines taking over his body?
You're deflecting. You know exactly what I mean, and you're simply not able to admit that I'm right.
This is a deflection, what you are responding to are direct criticisms of your argument.
Those aren't criticisms of the argument, they're nitpicking the example picture when the argument is in regards to the archetype. And it's not even logical nitpicking. You stupid c**ts love to trot out "suspension of disbelief" as an excuse for shit, but by your own logic, the existence of fantastical elements is completely besides the point. If all this shit was real, that still wouldn't change how human beings work, and thus vigilantes would still be gun-wagging psychos who do way more harm than good. You can shove your deflection attempts right up your ass to keep your head company.
No one wants to remember HYPER VIPER BEAM
99% aren't well thought out and are just violent revenge fantasies.
>why is this type of character hated
it isn't. what you're observing is the comic industry, certainly marvel, trying to diminish what they see as toxic masculinity
it's why Lobo was turned in to a twink when no one asked for it. it might even be one of the reasons Beast was shit on by marvel, because nerds aren't allowed to be ripped animal men. they saw his muscles and immediately assumed he was a jerk and wrote him in the image of their own projection
>Why is this type of character so hated?
Because they were created by hacks who couldn't draw or write. All they had was edgy vibes.
>those artists whose drawings were so popular they became the rockstars of the industry....couldn't draw
You cretins are STILL seething about 90s comics and the people who worked on them while modern superhero books and the people who work on them are worse in ever way. Everything's on fire right now and you're still complaining about things from thirty years ago.
Those guys back then who "couldn't write" still managed to write comics people actually enjoyed and wanted to read, even if they didn't meet your standards. Today the entire talent pool of writers at the big 2 is awful.
>Do people just not want to admit that it's a much more realistic idea of superheroes?
>baby of a clone of a dead woman who has control of a god-like space bird
>born infected with a virus that turns people into machines
>sent to the future for cure
>physically abandoned, raised by the time-displaced minds of his biological parents via space bird magic
>becomes warrior king of the future, fighting a clone of himself
>comes back into the past weeks after he was actually born
>trying to stop immortal 5000 year old giant with godlike technology stolen from le ancient aliens from coming to power and dominating earth and creating a clone of himself for him to be warrior king fighting against
>literally trying to cause a time paradox which cannot be resolved
>oh also he's the most powerful psychic of all time, but his illness "keeps it in check"
>routinely carries guns the size of a small child capable of blasting holes in battleships
>glowing eye
>"gets-shit-done.rant"
why DO people hate realism, OP? don't they see how great and down to earth he is? this is an archetype we all identify with, he's literally us
I don't think it's really fair to judge Cable on a conceptual level by what he became after a gorillion different writers had grafted all of that onto his backstory. He started out as just a big jacked cyborg paramilitary guy with a glowing eye, huge guns, and a mysterious past. He wasn't meant to be Cyclops' son who'd travelled back in time.
yeah that's much more down to earth, a future guy who's fighting a clone of himself
I can't admit that you're right because you are not right
It's really more of a disconnect between
>Fans who like traditional heroes that punch bad guys, have no kill rules, and wear brightly colored costumes
and
>Fans who like edgy, gritty badass loners who wear leather, use guns, drink and smoke, and kill villains but ultimately still do the right thing at the end of the day
It really seems like fans of cartoons and fans of action movies clashing here. Things sort of wax and wane between media pleasing group A or group B from time to time. But Group B thinks traditional heroes are stupid and childish. Group A thinks edge heroes are ridiculous tryhard nonsense from losers who nurse revenge fantasies.
>But Group B thinks traditional heroes are stupid and childish
They are, and Group B are most people.
>Group A thinks edge heroes are ridiculous tryhard nonsense from losers who nurse revenge fantasies.
Those are manchildren autists who think anything above kid-friendly content is edgy.
Well yea, for decades people assumed everyone would eventually grow up, stop reading superhero shit and graduate up to action flicks.
>everyone hates superheroes even though we're just now getting out of a long run of ultra-popular superhero movies dominating theaters
Mooregay pls
The Avengers killed all the time, and were plenty flawed like actual human beings.
Regular superheroes usually aren't portrayed as absurd Superfriends caricatures anymore, though. Hawkman and Batman are brooding anti-hero types, and most superheroes are ready to kill if pushed far enough:
>Superman kills Zod and Doomsday in various continuities
>Martian Manhunter tosses Ma'alefa'ak into the sun
>Wonder Woman is a renowned necksnapper
you sound like a whining homosexual
>Why is this type of character so hated? Do people just not want to admit that it's a much more realistic idea of superheroes?
You answered your first question with your second. You're not MORE REALISTIC. Frankly you're every bit the power fantasy cliche the more traditional hero archetypes are except you have an obnoxious air of self important and arrogance attached to it and your idea of what constitutes more realistic or mature is the kind of thing only a 14 year old would believe. It's like how Mortal Kombat lost it's shock value and main appeal when you graduate the 8th grade.
Captain America is a French hating, homphobic, bootlicking war dog.
>I can't admit that you're right because you are not right
Except I am, and reality itself backs me up on this. There's a reason vigilantism is extremely illegal in real life. Self-styled frontier lawbringers are all psychotic freaks who are a danger to themselves and others.
>Self-styled frontier lawbringers are all psychotic freaks who are a danger to themselves and others.
Yes, and farmboys generally don't receive magic swords from wizards who want them to topple dark lords, but the OG Star Wars trilogy is still a fun movie series.
>Yes, and farmboys generally don't receive magic swords from wizards who want them to topple dark lords,
And if they did, it would inevitably end in said farmer helping a different dark lord take over, because country hicks are fricking moronic.
>but the OG Star Wars trilogy is still a fun movie series.
No they aren't. Star Wars is trash.
Addendum. They also don't actually read the comic books they claim are unrealistic
>"hurr hurr you don't read comics"
You say, as you blatantly miss the Ultimate Cap allusion. moron.
I feel like I'm in that minority who likes both traditional heroes and guys who kill rapists, serial killers, mob bosses, etc but I also think applying real life logic to capeshit is moronic either way so I don't think either is "more realistic" and just see it all as more or less different but still cathartic power fantasies.
Seeing heroes in bright costumes save the day and bring hope to the world is cool. So is seeing the Knife Dick Man behead Andy the Toddler Butcher. Neither has anything to do with real life unless you're a moronic child incapable of separating fantasy from reality (aka a Black person like Phoenix Jones) but both are nice as fantasies, I may prefer one or the other depending on mood.
OP is a Black person and a homosexual.
Edge is fine. But you need some humor to even it out.
The answer is that many fans and creators felt it was overdone. Whether you agree with that or not is up to you, but that is the reason.
A lot of them just feel like a writer's self-insert injected into the medium they clearly despise to be as crude as possible. It's not enough that the writer doesn't like whatever they're writing in; they have to make the audience hate it as well by making the anti-hero be both as grimdark violent as possible and somehow more self-sanctimonious by pointing out the flaws or whatever the writer hates.