How much do you think Hamill was losing his mind knowing all the bad decisions that were going on around him and accepting millions to ruin his greatest legacy.
he probably had no idea how bad it was going to be
As far as how Luke specifically was being portrayed, there's a bunch of interviews with him alongside Rian Johnson where he keeps departing from what Rian is saying.
From what he says on some interviews, he didn't like at all what has been done to Luke, but I don't think he is allowed to say much given his corporate overlords.
she came from a planet that made her that way.
not even making this up.
She is knowledgeable of the esoteric and spiritual practices of her home planet Gatalenta, such as astrology and skyfaring (a type of meditation),[1] and speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak".)[2] In terms of appearance, Holdo dyes her hair exotic colors, habitually going barefoot,[3][4] and dressing in flamboyant clothing.[5]
>speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak"
Sure sounds like the kind of person you would want in charge of a fleet.
It sounds like they wanted a danger haired woman version of Yoda but instead we get this frigid old c**t that isn't even willing to talk in a goofy voice or pretend to be a doofus. Yoda she is not.
If she actually talked that way in the film and was made into an alien, Holdo would be based.
Imagine if someone that looked like pic related spoke bizarrely but was hyper intelligent, and Poe only overthrew the person because "Holdo" literally couldn't speak like a normal person.
Would turn the story of a b***hy woman throwing her authority around into a cool story of how interspecies communications are a difficult but worthwhile challenge.
Fair enough, though that's specifically a Star Trek approach. If I had to do it in Star Wars, it would be more about the way it works in an actual high stress environment rather than translating it. When you're getting shot at, you can't spare 10 minutes to translate orders.
Really, though, it translates to me wishing Disney Star Wars had aliens who did anything. For how much its creators talk about diversity, they love making everyone (except Lucas-era characters like Ahsoka and Thrawn) another generic human.
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I liked Kuiil from Mando S1 for being a non-human like alien that has a serious major role.
I meant in the sense that it exists at all rather than to serve as a comparison.
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>they love making everyone ... another generic human
I think this is a very deep observation that isn't specific to Star Wars but the current media epoch in general.
Interstellar is another example, where on the surface it's about space, but beneath it's much more about human relationships. It feels like something is lost to enter the fourth (or fifth?) dimension and to only be preoccupied with love and not marvel at the divinity of what you're beholding.
It's like a genuine fascination with nature doesn't really exist, at least not in the arts, so instead we're endlessly critiquing ourselves, even inventing new things just to critique them.
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>It's like a genuine fascination with nature doesn't really exist, at least not in the arts, so instead we're endlessly critiquing ourselves, even inventing new things just to critique them.
I don't think it's just that. It feels more like it's the result of social isolation, so people want to feel a human connection and crave the familiar. At the same time, creators want to feel like they add value and thus have to subvert expectations or try to change what's already there.
Thus you get the remakes, adapted for "modern sensibilities," the Sequel Trilogies, and the Marvel adaptations. Fortunately, it feels like we're nearing the end of that era, as people are growing more and more tired of those films.
I don't know what's funnier, this c**t writing this complete shitshow of a character or the fact that Holdo only kept the goofy hair in the end product
>She is knowledgeable of the esoteric and spiritual practices of her home planet Gatalenta, such as astrology and skyfaring (a type of meditation),[1] and speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak".)[2] In terms of appearance, Holdo dyes her hair exotic colors, habitually going barefoot,[3][4] and dressing in flamboyant clothing.[5]
Ah yes, about what i expect from a rebel military leader who got into their position through competence and charisma.
This dumb b***h really didnt get the difference between a diversity position in government and a leader of men chosen through populist vote.
Holdo is the exact opposite of a populist leader, shes selfish, dosnt listen and tries to ride her position.
Leftists are fricking brain dead, dont even bother to study their own color revolutions.
She's Leia's crony so is it any wonder she got the position? Akbar worked blood, sweat and tears for his species to get to his position as grand admiral.
Its a grassroots bottom up structure with appointment through popularity and accomplishment, or force.
Leias friend would never be allowed in a important position without proving herself.
Again, commies revolutions are best example for such military structures, Stalin was israeli mobster ordering assassinations o political opponents then he turned one of biggest mass murderers in history, Che was a serial killer turned a terrorist turned mass murderer, those arent weak people.
And then we have Holdo...
Leftists think everywhere works like their far left institutions where diversity hires get highest positions, so they assume a populist movemnt must be the same, with Talibans having every week vote on what climate change program to support and what "minority" they have to hire more.
As utterly moronic this is on the face of things, having a general possess quirky interests and use their abstract thinking to come up with inventive strategies/get inside their enemy's heads isn't exactly something that's never been done in star wars before.
Just either fully rip off Thrawn and have her act professionally while keeping her quirks behind closed doors, with Poe taking the role of Pellaeon and being the one who sees her weirdness, or have her go ful blown kooky that all of a sudden pulls off a devastating move that she hid behind 7 layers of oddity.
Because it's not contradictory. Agree or not (I dont, it's a bad system), there are indeed many cases of punks being anarcho-communists and thinking "people will be good and charitable because and not want personally because everyone will believe its better that way" is somehow rational.
I don't care about making Rey the main character but Last Jedi is a poorly made film . like what is up with the casino planet? it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie
Yeah but you THOUGHT it would! So you had expectations built up only to have the rug pulled out from under your feet! It's called a "subversion", something that I invented while I was in college.
>Plot and themes are related
Except when they aren't. What Canto Bight is saying is that "oh, these wars are really good for private corporations." What does that actually mean to the heroes? That they should let the First Order win and fund these profiteering corporations even harder? No.
The heroes don't learn anything, don't change, and it has no impact on the moral nature of the conflict. The Resistance still needs to fight the war and they still need to win it. If anything, the only thing that really matters about it is that it's the start of the Finn-Rose romance which ends with The Last Jedi.
You know if you had a basic understanding of history then this wouldn't be so hard for you to understand. US capitalists funded the USSR. Next you'll be confused by how the rebels were the Viet Cong or by how Nute Gunray is Newt Gingrich.
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>US capitalists funded the USSR
So? Now tell me how this is relevant to the Sequel Trilogy's story and Canto Bight. "People get rich off of war" is a statement neither brilliant nor poignant.
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>Now tell me how this is relevant to the Sequel Trilogy's story and Canto Bight.
You... explained it in the comment I replied to.
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Then you cannot read. I explained why Canto Bight has no thematic impact on the story.
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You explained that you don't understand the thematic component you yourself saw.
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It's quite telling that you won't even say what that thematic component is.
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I... already explained it.
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No, you didn't
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Sorry but I'm with other anon.
You DID explain why it might be seen as relevant TO THE VIEWER. To me, these connections make sense.
To the characters? To the story? How is it relevant that the economics are similar to the real world? Does this change their goals or their worldviews?
It was a turn and speak to the audience >but WE all know the real problem is capitalism
that doesnt affect anything in the story.
At best - I would say the argument could be that it explains why the thief was so comfortable switching sides back and forth. But that doesnt require any parallel to the real world.
Yeah sorry, I'm just being annoying. I thought TLJ sucked shit.
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Subverted my expectations
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Kinda based. I just want you to know that I will always fall for any bait defending TLJ and I don't care. I enjoy stoking my hatred of this film and will take any opportunity to do so.
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Sorry but I'm with other anon.
You DID explain why it might be seen as relevant TO THE VIEWER. To me, these connections make sense.
To the characters? To the story? How is it relevant that the economics are similar to the real world? Does this change their goals or their worldviews?
It was a turn and speak to the audience >but WE all know the real problem is capitalism
that doesnt affect anything in the story.
At best - I would say the argument could be that it explains why the thief was so comfortable switching sides back and forth. But that doesnt require any parallel to the real world.
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I think you're wasting your time with this one anon. As for what you are saying then yes it's just poor storytelling, I guess an argument could be made that it serves the purpose of world-building? But even then it should in some way progress the storyline. Probably it's in the movie as some kind of clumsy social commentary. >muh pc boogeyman
I'm not some /misc/ schizo but one look at the production is all you need to understand the lack of talent in the people involved and their midwit political takes. That the producers claim people didn't like the movie only because they are racist/misogynistic/homophobic really says it all.
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>I'm not some /misc/ schizo but one look at the production is all you need to understand the lack of talent in the people involved and their midwit political takes
It's a big problem with Hollywood in general. Committed socialists will hate the producers' political takes almost as much as the average /misc/gay.
It's basically middle-aged white women (and men) who are self-conscious about themselves, and thus pretend to be radicals despite being plainer than white bread.
I watched pic related recently, and that summarized Hollywood's problem all too well. It was an adaptation of a book with strong socialist and feminist themes that they turned into roastie apologia, while ironically infantilizing the protagonist.
But it does?
Hoth establishes beyond the opening crawl that the Empire is still in control and the Rebels are retreating and if not losing then certainly arent winning. It gives reason why Han and Leia go to Cloud City to try and get some more support, and it provides a chapter end of "we need to not be such a target, and we need to gather allies" that gives a good springboard for Luke leaving the main group to meet up with Yoda.
It's literally the reason the rebels are on the run for the entire movie. Their main base got hit hard and made them scatter like roaches. What do you think Han and Leiah were doing running from Star Destroyers for half the movie?
And yet it made such an impact on the writers that they ripped it straight off, attack and everything. >it's salt!
Good thing it wasn't arsenic I guess, but I wouldn't make a habit of tasting the ground on foreign planets.
The worst scene in all 3 movies to me is when they first arrive at the casino and Finn is shown happily running around smiling playing roulette and Rose has to snap at him to get him to focus. Like they wrote him as just completely forgetting about his friends about to die in the space chase to have the woman talk some sense into him.
TFA had Finn acting like a random cool guy and killing stormtroopers without remorse despite the movie stating they're brainwashed soldiers from childhood.
You need to compare it to YA stuff like Twilight, Hunger Games, Mazerunner, Divergent etc.
They were going for that audience(teenage girls), not people who watched Star Wars(boys)
I think it's pretty clear now that anybody willing to voice criticism was either fired or willingly left a long time ago. The only ones left are either delusional morons or sycophants.
From a business theory crafting standpoint, orgs have released products and services that seemed bad or mid that everyone really loved (and it made money)
This is rare.
Hubris is thinking money and position will allow an org to forge this rarity in a SPECIFIC INSTANCE. Aka a movie.
Of course Google can code 40 products and one will be adopted globally, but they bet on the process, not the end product.
Disney was moronic from fricking minute one when they didn't bring in top writing talent to craft godlike scripts, which they absolutely had the time and funds to do.
Hubris at every turn.
>hubris at every turn
It started when they wiped the canon completely clean. Sure, bullshit like the holiday special or some random comic from 2002 are out, but to get rid of Thrawn or KotOR is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Nobody would say the Star Wars EU was always 100% on the mark but it did have it highlights. Notice how they only started to use the good bits from legends when it became obvious nobody gives a shit about the new shit?
I agree anon. Take the top 5 most popular core stories and say 'we will bring these to the screen eventually with tweaks because books are not movies and shows ' and everyone instantly likes you.
I mean they caved on thrawn anyway, and other shit I'm sure but I can't be bothered to learn the details of their shameless canon sludgery
As far as ANH goes it takes too long to get to Luke
and I don't know if they'd change Vader meeting Leia scene (since Leia and Luke end up being his kid)
That's why I said "mostly"
Personally I feel only ESB is a movie that deserves to be called great. I respect ANH for what it was at the time but it has quite a few holes that most don't acknowledge. >since Leia and Luke end up being his kid
I'd remove the sibling twist if I had the chance.
I would get rid of it but it's too "popular" with fans. I'd have to think of a way to have Vader interacting with her so it makes sense retroactively that she's his daughter
>but it's too "popular" with fans
Star Wars fans accept anything if it has been around long enough, do they?
I personally shrug off Vader not sensing her because she had zero training at that point.
Can someone give me a single reason this character is bad without b***hing about her hair color? >B-but she didn't tell the plan to Poe!
Yes she did and Poe caused a mutiny that nearly killed everyone on the ship.
>is talked up as being a brilliant leader >we never see any evidence of her supposed brilliance >withholds information from one of her senior officers for no reason >only tells him enough information to make him extremely anxious about the safety of the people on the ship >mutinies because, based on the information provided to him, he believes Holdo is going to kill them all >turns out she had another part of the plan and never bothered to tell him (though how she somehow kept a massive evacuation a secret is a huge ???? moment too because it requires literally hundreds of people to know about it in order to work, and any one of them could have told Poe about it) >turns out Poe was right because even this back up plan turns out to be suicide and gets 99% of the resistance killed >her big moment is killing herself pointlessly (didn't even take down any important people, First Order is still all powerful and unstoppable and manages to eradicate the Resistance right after this)
TLJ is a film so bad they will teach it in classes in the future. It's a master class in incredibly bad writing. >"No, Finn, you can't sacrifice yourself to save the people you love!" >dies in Finns arms because she literally did exactly that
>>"No, Finn, you can't sacrifice yourself to save the people you love!"
What she meant was >No finn you can't have a cool, heroic moment! only womyn can be heroic in star wars now!
>wow Luke dies saving the heroes >actually he was just faking >actually now he's dead
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY!?!??!! Just have Luke die at the end...why even have the "fake out" part..but then he dies anyways.
For me it was Leia. >bridge explodes
"Oh what a touching sendoff given that the actress died. Also I'm interested if Kylo will redeem himself someho- WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS MARY POPPINS SHIT?
>>her big moment is killing herself pointlessly (didn't even take down any important people
What's REALLY funny is the movie starts off with Leia berating Poe for EXACTLY THIS >Poe: we took down a big ship! >yeah but look at all the people who died from the assault! >Holdo: I took down a big ship >all those brave souls sacrificed for such a grand blow to the First Order! What a message! What a symbol!
TLJ is full of that kind of hypocrisy, it's like it was written by a minimum of 3 separate teams who did not talk to each other before the movie was filmed.
I've put a lot of thought into this phenomenon. It seems to me that they seem to write a number of important plot points and then loosely lay them out in chronological order. They seem to work on one plot point at a time and don't make any attempt to consider them in relation to other plot points beyond a handwaved explanation on how one chronologically leads to another. >The rebels hyperspace away and are shocked to find the FO has tracked them. Now they're in a desperate race to reach the nearest base while running out of fuel >Doesn't that mean that they deliberately jumped to the middle of fricking nowhere where it would take a day burning their entire fuel supply to reach the nearest base? Doesn't matter, the plot says it's happening so we're already moving on.
I attribute it to Rian because I can see the same shit in Glass Onion. Our heroes need to duck out of sight as the Joe Rogen guy enters. Doesn't matter if there's no where to conceivably hide, just know that they successfully hid and eavesdropped on him. The doodle on the napkin doesn't really make sense? Doesn't matter, we already told you it's important.
They also immediately introduced the plot hole of ships using their hyper drive to destroy larger ships and then immediately in the next movie had to pretend it was some one in a million lucky shot.
meaning that she either: >didn't know that her plan had a 1 in a million chance of succeding, making her a total fricking moron
or >gambled the existence of the entire rebel alliance on a plan with a 1 in a million chance of succeding, making her, again, a total fricking moron
If hyperspace ramming a ship into another works as well as it did, why didn't she do it immediately after everyone started escaping? And why did she had to stay in the ship to pilot it? It has been shown again and again that any astromech is perfectly capable of piloting a whole ship by itself.
she had to wait until there were no more guns pointed at her ship so that she could stall and turn the ship around. it was a pretty dumb retcon that lasers had an "effective range" but iirc the ship was just out of range of the fleet and their lasers.
RotJ has many problems but why is Death Star 2 so complained about? It makes sense in the setting and I think it had an interesting executing by still being built, unlike Starkiller base which felt like a 10 years old idea of "Death Star but BIGGER and has MULTIPLE LASERS"
Death Star 2 was a great idea. Only morons whine about it because they don't have much else to knock the OT for but feel a compulsion and need to be able to shit on it. Every super weapon afterwards though has been unimaginative trash especially the idiocy of starkiller base and the supremacy.
I don't understand the ST's super weapon... they blew up the capital planet, the seat of the galactic government. Weren't they trying to restore the empire? Coruscant was the capital of the Empire, so taking it for themselves should've been the goal. From Coruscant they'd have direct access to all the levers of power for the galactic government and would also become more legitimate for being in control of the capital that's ruled the Galaxy for thousands of years.
But instead they... blow it up. Where are the FO even headquartered at? Do they have a headquarters? I got the vibe they were like a space ISIS, just a military junta without a state.
TLJ reveals that many of the New Republic's politicians were secretly funding the First Order. So the FO essentially blew up their own backers. Whoops!
They didn't even blow up Coruscant, they blew up Hosnian Prime. You're forgiven for not knowing, because the movie never explained that.
But wait: it gets dumber!
TLJ reveals that many of the New Republic's politicians were secretly funding the First Order. So the FO essentially blew up their own backers. Whoops!
I would assume that the politicians fled the planet before the First Order nuked them. Either that or they used it as an excuse to tie up loose ends and incompetent/disloyal politicians of "loyalist" planets.
JJ and Rian did not think that far, though.
>Hosnian Prime
I don't even know what this is so I suspect it was never mentioned in any of the movies.
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I think it's only mentioned in the novels that explain what happens before the Sequel Trilogy and the novelization of TFA.
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>I think it's only mentioned in the novels that explain what happens before the Sequel Trilogy
Somehow I doubt it makes any sense. The emergence of the First Order is like it just appeared out of nothing in TFA. There's no explanation given for how an imperial remnant somehow has a bigger and more advanced military than the actual empire, while presumably having only a fraction of the empire's resources.
>>I would assume that the politicians fled the planet before the First Order nuked them
I am so sure they are thrilled about having their planets blown up though.
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There are several demoralized losers on this site that would vote for people whose platform was "blow up the Earth" because they are just that bitter about being losers. I doubt a politician would be like that though, they actually have stuff to lose.
>They didn't even blow up Coruscant, they blew up Hosnian Prime.
I always laugh thinking about this.
JJ Abrams was trying to rehash episode 4 scene for scene without understanding the purpose of the original scenes
Blowing up Alderaan was important because it Was Leia's homeworld and Luke's destination
The First Order blows up a few planets that don't even have a fricking name
Just some nameless negress and a few aliens that don't tie into the plot AT ALL
TLJ reveals that many of the New Republic's politicians were secretly funding the First Order. So the FO essentially blew up their own backers. Whoops!
you see, the prequels had in universe politics and world building but everyone hated them so we need popcorn slop with no political intrigue. just as well though, the politics section of canto shite was terrible
>Every super weapon afterwards though has been unimaginative trash especially the idiocy of starkiller base and the supremacy.
The World Devastators were based, but I can't think of any other good ones. The problem is that most super weapons amounted to either buffed-up Death Stars or buffed-up Super Star Destroyers (or both, in the case of the Eclipse).
The Malevolence was also a decent one, since a giant ion cannon is different from a giant superlaser.
Wait I figured it out. Finally. After years of thinking.
Holdo IS a genius. You just have to realize one thing: she's working for Kylo Ren. Not the First Order, but Ren specifically. He's the only one who really benefits from what happens. He comes out of this as the undisputed leader of the First Order, now the unchallenged masters of the Galaxy, having essentially eradicated the entire Resistance, and with Snoke dead and having the massacre of the Resistance as a feather in his cap, nobody dares to challenge his supremacy.
Consider her actions: >she keeps everybody together on one ship, instead of using smaller ships to spread out >this makes it easier for Ren to wipe them out in one fell swoop, if they scattered to the winds he'd never get his coup of a victory >she deliberately sows chaos in the ranks of her forces by manipulating Poe into staging a mutiny by carefully feeding him fragments of information designed to make him do something drastic >Poe is not smart enough to think of a real alternative to her plan, only smart enough to realize it's suicidal >The chaos of his mutiny will prevent anyone else from coming up with a viable alternative, and the reformed unity behind her when the mutiny fails will quiet anyone who would challenge her decisions thereafter >her "plan" is to hide on a planet from which there is no escape and has no fortifications capable of withstanding an assault from the FO >to get there, they will take hundreds of smaller ships without any cloaking to the surface >there's a zero percent chance they won't be noticed because the ship chasing them has advanced tracking devices capable of even following them through hyper space >they will certainly notice hundreds of sublight engines on an abandoned planet that has no native space traffic to camouflage them >for her final act she fakes her death with a "suicide attack" that kills most of Kylo's rivals in the FO
As much shit TLJ (deservedly) gets, TFA was the main culprit of destroying the continuity of Star Wars. >episode 6 ends with the rebels celebrating their victory over the empire >"how do we follow up on that?" >"with storm troopers brutalizing a village of course"
TFA was enjoyed at first because of surface level nostalgic appeal, but it killed the franchise. TLJ only spit and danced on it's grave. RoS was using it's corpse as a puppet, or like that real skeleton in Disneyland.
>whats the quest mcguffin? >a map >to what? >luke skywalker
jj had han, leia, r2, and luke, makes the couple get divorced, kills han, has r2 deactivated the entire movie, and gives luke like 30 seconds of screen time and no lines. To be fair he did a lot better than rian did with luke and leia.
JJ is like an OT fanboy who has a very shallow understanding of what makes those movies good. He just took everyone and everything back to what they were in the first movie because it felt familiar, not realising he undid everything those movies built.
Rian is like a snob who hates the franchise. He understood Star Wars better than Abrams but took all opportunities to spit on it.
I really don't want to sound like I'm defending TFA and I want to be clear that I'm not, but it was honestly still salvageable largely thanks to JJ's own incompetence. The setting was so poorly established in TFA that it was basically a template. Any decent writer could have worked off that foundation. They still would have been working off a handicap of starting off with a retreat of the OT, but they could still take it somewhere else.
>not fighting what we hate, saving what we love... >that's how we're gonna win >*immediate cut to energy beam hitting rebel base*
It could be in a comedy movie, what the hell were they thinking?
>explosion of the rebel base serves as a literal backdrop for what is supposed to be a touching romantic moment >quote is directed at someone who was explicitly not motivated by anger but by a desire to save his friends >This quote is immediately following Holdo sacrificing herself >And immediately preceding Luke sacrificing himself
lmao
This.
Luke making a big show of sacrificing himself and then NOT doing it would have been the capstone to her speech. It's phenomenal how fricking stupid the script is.
>TFA was enjoyed at first because of surface level nostalgic appeal
by whom?
It was such a blatant traceback of ANH that it is almost as if they made a remake but last minute switched it to being a sequel.
Maybe because I had already seen how israeliteisraelite destroyed Trek I had the foresight to know that the sequels will be an unmitigated disaster so came in biased from the get go.
Why did Disney bank on the fat old coke prostitute not dying? I know killing Han was the only way they could bring Harrison Ford back but killing Luke too and leaving Leia alive just seemed short sighted.
>not fighting what we hate, saving what we love... >that's how we're gonna win >*immediate cut to energy beam hitting rebel base*
It could be in a comedy movie, what the hell were they thinking?
>and winning
She lost in every conceivable way. >she died >nearly all her friends died immediately after she did >the few survivors of her idiot plan are now fugitives who have lost their means of fighting the First Order >also, taking her supposed strategic brilliance at face value, she has no deprived her allies of that brilliance in the coming battles
Turns out military commanders retreated from battle not because they were cowards who didn't believe enough in their cause, but because it's pretty fricking hard for the people under your command to replace you if you're actually good at your job.
Not to mention *zero* chemistry between the two. Why would she give her life to save him? How did he even make it back to base and not get scooped up by the FO?
>FO sees Finn limping across the salt >"Should we capture him?" >"Why? He's a bumbling idiot janitor. Don't even blow him up, he's just another useless mouth for them to feed if he makes it back."
Not to mention *zero* chemistry between the two. Why would she give her life to save him? How did he even make it back to base and not get scooped up by the FO?
imagine seeing two of those dinky speeders collide into eachother infront of your death laser. the fear and tension they must have felt when they saw this vehicle withstanding the heat and having the potential to actually fracture the lens of your cannon was similar to ours in the theater. then they see a woman driver teleport in front of the speeder and tbone the bravest resistance fighter in the galaxy. Honestly they probably thought both of the pilots died in the crash.
>sister dies fighting what they hate >entire first order dies fighting what they hate >kylo dies twice fighting what he hates >finn and rose survive saving what they love
its like masonry, it rhymes
Last jedi could have been somewhat interesting or salvageable if Rey would have agreed to help the bad guy at the end. But yeah, the last jedi is probably the worst movie I've ever seen in the theater and I just looked it up on rotten tomatoes and imdb and I can't believe the praise it's getting
del Toro's character: "Both sides of the war are dirty. Your precious Leia is just as bad as the First Order."
I don't know why Disney thought "slander Princess Leia" was a viable direction to take the series in that the fans and audiences would all love, but there you go. At least the movie seemed to forget about it five minutes after it brought it up.
It's amazing how the Sequels have both some of the most blatant cheap fan service and at the same time a load of shit that feels it was carefully engineered to piss off the fans.
what was the point of this character
what is the point of trying to appeal to some sociopolitical fad already fading away by the time the film is released?
why would a military officer need to be put in his place about the chain of command?
>Luke, have I ever told you about Asajj Ventress? She was Count Dooku's exotic Sith acolyte I fought against many times during the clone wars. She had the most flexible legs in the whole galaxy, and the least body hair too. The troopers committed treason every time she sneaked into their quarters and convinced them through sex. Once a whole platoon had their way with her in a single night and she still had stamina for a lightsaber duel after. There were surveillance cameras but we just let it happen, of course we kept the recordings too. I think she knew it, sometimes she would look at the camera and blow a kiss if she wasn't using her mouth. I fell into her trap once when she used her witchcraft to hold me, then she fricked me saying it would "turn me to the dark side" or something. I'm telling you, her head wasn't the only bald thing on her body. Satine would get jealous every time I went in a mission against her. She gave up the war after Maul "dominated" her with his brother, then went on as a bounty hunter. And she was a good friend.
I like how the scene is so poorly edited you can literally pick out what were reshoots. >Holdo has a stern, serious look on her face >cut >Holdo is grinning and looking around like she has no clue what's going on >cut >Holdo is stern and serious, grrr, how dare you question me? >cut >oh, why hello Poe, my dear old friend, lets discuss flowers
I actually laughed at this, I must be drunk
I still chuckle everytime I see Admiral SJW
How much do you think Hamill was losing his mind knowing all the bad decisions that were going on around him and accepting millions to ruin his greatest legacy.
What makes you think he had any involvement with the production other than reading his lines and hanging out in his trailer on set.
As far as how Luke specifically was being portrayed, there's a bunch of interviews with him alongside Rian Johnson where he keeps departing from what Rian is saying.
>Rian Johnson
i hate this little homosexual soo much
This, I think he was kept in the dark quite a bit. Just look at his reaction after the premiere, he looks completely buck-broken
He had a trailer on set? Did they just green screen it out of the shot or what?
he probably had no idea how bad it was going to be
Hamill is gigantic cuck so i doubt he wanted to intervene
Probably thinking "well I'll just endure this, episode IX is when I truly get to shine"
Then premiere day came and he found out he died lol.
Hamill is a complete homosexual so he probably approved
From what he says on some interviews, he didn't like at all what has been done to Luke, but I don't think he is allowed to say much given his corporate overlords.
If you've seen any TLJ-related interviews with Hamill you know this is 100% NOT the case at all.
Not much.
his greatest legacy is his Joker voice
/yawn
I laughed each and EVERY time
sneed
it was only funny with the edited pick of her long neck is long and the cat lady glasses.
this is kind of stock and not really funny.
Good spam is better than non spammed garbage.
it's not good though and it's not even a funny repost. it's stock.
mad, trannie?
i can smell the amazon packages from here with that neon pink color scheme
The Seperatists were right. LOVE LIVE THE SEPERATIST ALLIANCE!
>these replies
This isn't 2013 anymore. Archivegays hold no water here, and I'm all for it. Get BTFO, you fricking autist.
The man who kept Star Wars alive with three simple words
Still funny.
>we want our new iconic star wars hero to be... your b***hy school teacher that hated all of the male students
Her designer basically wanted her to be a rebellious punk teenager even though hee entire character is being an authoritarian b***h.
she came from a planet that made her that way.
not even making this up.
qrd?
She's from Malachor V?
Making Kelly Marie Tran a rebellious punk would have made her at least... more interesting.
And making her outfit skimpy lingerie and making her frick multiple white men throughout the movie
She is knowledgeable of the esoteric and spiritual practices of her home planet Gatalenta, such as astrology and skyfaring (a type of meditation),[1] and speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak".)[2] In terms of appearance, Holdo dyes her hair exotic colors, habitually going barefoot,[3][4] and dressing in flamboyant clothing.[5]
>speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak"
Sure sounds like the kind of person you would want in charge of a fleet.
It sounds like they wanted a danger haired woman version of Yoda but instead we get this frigid old c**t that isn't even willing to talk in a goofy voice or pretend to be a doofus. Yoda she is not.
>and speaks in riddles and strange metaphors.
I don't recall her doing this even once in the film
She looked and sounded pretty incomprehensible to me.
It's a creative way of saying she is inexplicably incapable of delivering vital information that would drastically alter the direction of the plot.
a hipster wine aunt admiral, can just imagine all the cat shit floating around her quarters when the gravity went out
I wonder how many universes this alter-ego exists in.
If she actually talked that way in the film and was made into an alien, Holdo would be based.
Imagine if someone that looked like pic related spoke bizarrely but was hyper intelligent, and Poe only overthrew the person because "Holdo" literally couldn't speak like a normal person.
Would turn the story of a b***hy woman throwing her authority around into a cool story of how interspecies communications are a difficult but worthwhile challenge.
Well we always have "Darmok."
Fair enough, though that's specifically a Star Trek approach. If I had to do it in Star Wars, it would be more about the way it works in an actual high stress environment rather than translating it. When you're getting shot at, you can't spare 10 minutes to translate orders.
Really, though, it translates to me wishing Disney Star Wars had aliens who did anything. For how much its creators talk about diversity, they love making everyone (except Lucas-era characters like Ahsoka and Thrawn) another generic human.
I liked Kuiil from Mando S1 for being a non-human like alien that has a serious major role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine)
I meant in the sense that it exists at all rather than to serve as a comparison.
>they love making everyone ... another generic human
I think this is a very deep observation that isn't specific to Star Wars but the current media epoch in general.
Interstellar is another example, where on the surface it's about space, but beneath it's much more about human relationships. It feels like something is lost to enter the fourth (or fifth?) dimension and to only be preoccupied with love and not marvel at the divinity of what you're beholding.
It's like a genuine fascination with nature doesn't really exist, at least not in the arts, so instead we're endlessly critiquing ourselves, even inventing new things just to critique them.
>It's like a genuine fascination with nature doesn't really exist, at least not in the arts, so instead we're endlessly critiquing ourselves, even inventing new things just to critique them.
I don't think it's just that. It feels more like it's the result of social isolation, so people want to feel a human connection and crave the familiar. At the same time, creators want to feel like they add value and thus have to subvert expectations or try to change what's already there.
Thus you get the remakes, adapted for "modern sensibilities," the Sequel Trilogies, and the Marvel adaptations. Fortunately, it feels like we're nearing the end of that era, as people are growing more and more tired of those films.
>barefoot
>Obsessed with astrology
Fricking amazing. Admiral Wine Aunt lmao
>her home planet Gatalenta
>Gatalenta
>Gata lenta
In Spanish that means "Slow female cat"... WTF.
I don't know what's funnier, this c**t writing this complete shitshow of a character or the fact that Holdo only kept the goofy hair in the end product
there’s something about that chunky necklace israeliteelry that the most leftist of white women just can’t resist
Those aren't Soviet tanks, though.
Yea, they are Czechoslovak production T-55s
NVA did the bidding of the Söyviets.
>She is knowledgeable of the esoteric and spiritual practices of her home planet Gatalenta, such as astrology and skyfaring (a type of meditation),[1] and speaks in riddles and strange metaphors. (Leia refers to her distinctive speech patterns as "Holdo speak".)[2] In terms of appearance, Holdo dyes her hair exotic colors, habitually going barefoot,[3][4] and dressing in flamboyant clothing.[5]
Ah yes, about what i expect from a rebel military leader who got into their position through competence and charisma.
This dumb b***h really didnt get the difference between a diversity position in government and a leader of men chosen through populist vote.
Holdo is the exact opposite of a populist leader, shes selfish, dosnt listen and tries to ride her position.
Leftists are fricking brain dead, dont even bother to study their own color revolutions.
>thinking corporate hacks are leftists
wut
She's Leia's crony so is it any wonder she got the position? Akbar worked blood, sweat and tears for his species to get to his position as grand admiral.
Its a grassroots bottom up structure with appointment through popularity and accomplishment, or force.
Leias friend would never be allowed in a important position without proving herself.
Again, commies revolutions are best example for such military structures, Stalin was israeli mobster ordering assassinations o political opponents then he turned one of biggest mass murderers in history, Che was a serial killer turned a terrorist turned mass murderer, those arent weak people.
And then we have Holdo...
Leftists think everywhere works like their far left institutions where diversity hires get highest positions, so they assume a populist movemnt must be the same, with Talibans having every week vote on what climate change program to support and what "minority" they have to hire more.
>A planet full of middle class white women
the horror
As utterly moronic this is on the face of things, having a general possess quirky interests and use their abstract thinking to come up with inventive strategies/get inside their enemy's heads isn't exactly something that's never been done in star wars before.
Just either fully rip off Thrawn and have her act professionally while keeping her quirks behind closed doors, with Poe taking the role of Pellaeon and being the one who sees her weirdness, or have her go ful blown kooky that all of a sudden pulls off a devastating move that she hid behind 7 layers of oddity.
All I see when someone talks about Thrawn is that cuck from the Ahsoka show who constantly jobs but then pretends he won. Bravo Filoni
Accurately describes these people
>Commies larp as punks even though their proposed systems can't exist without dystopian levels of authoritarian control
Many such cases
Because it's not contradictory. Agree or not (I dont, it's a bad system), there are indeed many cases of punks being anarcho-communists and thinking "people will be good and charitable because and not want personally because everyone will believe its better that way" is somehow rational.
>military means you take orders and never questio-ACK
>veterans outright tell sjws that's not how it works and she was asking for a mutiny
This is the perfect metaphor for leftism today. Bravo Rian
Honestly how did Disney green light this?? on some level they must have known it was terrible.
They thought they'd get more wokebux than they'd get neetbux.
They (KK) said from the very beginning, before any movie was released, "we want the Hunger Games audience"
I don't care about making Rey the main character but Last Jedi is a poorly made film . like what is up with the casino planet? it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie
Yeah but you THOUGHT it would! So you had expectations built up only to have the rug pulled out from under your feet! It's called a "subversion", something that I invented while I was in college.
This is you.
star wars has been popcorn cinema since 1977
if it fails at being entertaining if fails completely, shove the "themes" up your ass
>Plot and themes are related
Except when they aren't. What Canto Bight is saying is that "oh, these wars are really good for private corporations." What does that actually mean to the heroes? That they should let the First Order win and fund these profiteering corporations even harder? No.
The heroes don't learn anything, don't change, and it has no impact on the moral nature of the conflict. The Resistance still needs to fight the war and they still need to win it. If anything, the only thing that really matters about it is that it's the start of the Finn-Rose romance which ends with The Last Jedi.
You know if you had a basic understanding of history then this wouldn't be so hard for you to understand. US capitalists funded the USSR. Next you'll be confused by how the rebels were the Viet Cong or by how Nute Gunray is Newt Gingrich.
>US capitalists funded the USSR
So? Now tell me how this is relevant to the Sequel Trilogy's story and Canto Bight. "People get rich off of war" is a statement neither brilliant nor poignant.
>Now tell me how this is relevant to the Sequel Trilogy's story and Canto Bight.
You... explained it in the comment I replied to.
Then you cannot read. I explained why Canto Bight has no thematic impact on the story.
You explained that you don't understand the thematic component you yourself saw.
It's quite telling that you won't even say what that thematic component is.
I... already explained it.
No, you didn't
Yeah sorry, I'm just being annoying. I thought TLJ sucked shit.
Subverted my expectations
Kinda based. I just want you to know that I will always fall for any bait defending TLJ and I don't care. I enjoy stoking my hatred of this film and will take any opportunity to do so.
Sorry but I'm with other anon.
You DID explain why it might be seen as relevant TO THE VIEWER. To me, these connections make sense.
To the characters? To the story? How is it relevant that the economics are similar to the real world? Does this change their goals or their worldviews?
It was a turn and speak to the audience
>but WE all know the real problem is capitalism
that doesnt affect anything in the story.
At best - I would say the argument could be that it explains why the thief was so comfortable switching sides back and forth. But that doesnt require any parallel to the real world.
I think you're wasting your time with this one anon. As for what you are saying then yes it's just poor storytelling, I guess an argument could be made that it serves the purpose of world-building? But even then it should in some way progress the storyline. Probably it's in the movie as some kind of clumsy social commentary.
>muh pc boogeyman
I'm not some /misc/ schizo but one look at the production is all you need to understand the lack of talent in the people involved and their midwit political takes. That the producers claim people didn't like the movie only because they are racist/misogynistic/homophobic really says it all.
>I'm not some /misc/ schizo but one look at the production is all you need to understand the lack of talent in the people involved and their midwit political takes
It's a big problem with Hollywood in general. Committed socialists will hate the producers' political takes almost as much as the average /misc/gay.
It's basically middle-aged white women (and men) who are self-conscious about themselves, and thus pretend to be radicals despite being plainer than white bread.
I watched pic related recently, and that summarized Hollywood's problem all too well. It was an adaptation of a book with strong socialist and feminist themes that they turned into roastie apologia, while ironically infantilizing the protagonist.
>like what is up with hoth? it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie
But it does?
Hoth establishes beyond the opening crawl that the Empire is still in control and the Rebels are retreating and if not losing then certainly arent winning. It gives reason why Han and Leia go to Cloud City to try and get some more support, and it provides a chapter end of "we need to not be such a target, and we need to gather allies" that gives a good springboard for Luke leaving the main group to meet up with Yoda.
It's literally the reason the rebels are on the run for the entire movie. Their main base got hit hard and made them scatter like roaches. What do you think Han and Leiah were doing running from Star Destroyers for half the movie?
>>like what is up with hoth? it has nothing to do with the rest of the movie
Huh?
And yet it made such an impact on the writers that they ripped it straight off, attack and everything.
>it's salt!
Good thing it wasn't arsenic I guess, but I wouldn't make a habit of tasting the ground on foreign planets.
The worst scene in all 3 movies to me is when they first arrive at the casino and Finn is shown happily running around smiling playing roulette and Rose has to snap at him to get him to focus. Like they wrote him as just completely forgetting about his friends about to die in the space chase to have the woman talk some sense into him.
TFA had Finn acting like a random cool guy and killing stormtroopers without remorse despite the movie stating they're brainwashed soldiers from childhood.
>"we want the Hunger Games audience"
Frick me, the awful sequel trilogy aesthetics all make sense now
You need to compare it to YA stuff like Twilight, Hunger Games, Mazerunner, Divergent etc.
They were going for that audience(teenage girls), not people who watched Star Wars(boys)
everything they touch
>Starwars?
Handing a beloved franchise to women writers has NEVER turned out well
Especially when all those women are fat childless and middle aged feminists
Islam was so right, bros
they look ready to frick shit up, and they did
Jarvis, pull up the Wikipedia Early Life section for all of these chicks.
I keep thinking about rome when i see this picture. Zamn 4r 4r
I think it's pretty clear now that anybody willing to voice criticism was either fired or willingly left a long time ago. The only ones left are either delusional morons or sycophants.
From a business theory crafting standpoint, orgs have released products and services that seemed bad or mid that everyone really loved (and it made money)
This is rare.
Hubris is thinking money and position will allow an org to forge this rarity in a SPECIFIC INSTANCE. Aka a movie.
Of course Google can code 40 products and one will be adopted globally, but they bet on the process, not the end product.
Disney was moronic from fricking minute one when they didn't bring in top writing talent to craft godlike scripts, which they absolutely had the time and funds to do.
Hubris at every turn.
>hubris at every turn
It started when they wiped the canon completely clean. Sure, bullshit like the holiday special or some random comic from 2002 are out, but to get rid of Thrawn or KotOR is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Nobody would say the Star Wars EU was always 100% on the mark but it did have it highlights. Notice how they only started to use the good bits from legends when it became obvious nobody gives a shit about the new shit?
I agree anon. Take the top 5 most popular core stories and say 'we will bring these to the screen eventually with tweaks because books are not movies and shows ' and everyone instantly likes you.
I mean they caved on thrawn anyway, and other shit I'm sure but I can't be bothered to learn the details of their shameless canon sludgery
Disneys should just do an animated remake of all the Star Wars movies
start with New Hope and continue through all 9 films
Correction:
Lucasfilm should go independent and reboot the entire franchise as animated movies, only keeping ANH and ESB mostly intact.
As far as ANH goes it takes too long to get to Luke
and I don't know if they'd change Vader meeting Leia scene (since Leia and Luke end up being his kid)
That's why I said "mostly"
Personally I feel only ESB is a movie that deserves to be called great. I respect ANH for what it was at the time but it has quite a few holes that most don't acknowledge.
>since Leia and Luke end up being his kid
I'd remove the sibling twist if I had the chance.
>I'd remove the sibling twist if I had the chance.
I wouldn't, I'd also keep them as romantic partners as originally teased. Real greek tragedy shit.
I would get rid of it but it's too "popular" with fans. I'd have to think of a way to have Vader interacting with her so it makes sense retroactively that she's his daughter
>but it's too "popular" with fans
Star Wars fans accept anything if it has been around long enough, do they?
I personally shrug off Vader not sensing her because she had zero training at that point.
rip king
troony moment.
Can someone give me a single reason this character is bad without b***hing about her hair color?
>B-but she didn't tell the plan to Poe!
Yes she did and Poe caused a mutiny that nearly killed everyone on the ship.
>is talked up as being a brilliant leader
>we never see any evidence of her supposed brilliance
>withholds information from one of her senior officers for no reason
>only tells him enough information to make him extremely anxious about the safety of the people on the ship
>mutinies because, based on the information provided to him, he believes Holdo is going to kill them all
>turns out she had another part of the plan and never bothered to tell him (though how she somehow kept a massive evacuation a secret is a huge ???? moment too because it requires literally hundreds of people to know about it in order to work, and any one of them could have told Poe about it)
>turns out Poe was right because even this back up plan turns out to be suicide and gets 99% of the resistance killed
>her big moment is killing herself pointlessly (didn't even take down any important people, First Order is still all powerful and unstoppable and manages to eradicate the Resistance right after this)
Nice summary anon. If there's any value to be had it's that the movie is a wonderful lesson on what not to do.
TLJ is a film so bad they will teach it in classes in the future. It's a master class in incredibly bad writing.
>"No, Finn, you can't sacrifice yourself to save the people you love!"
>dies in Finns arms because she literally did exactly that
>>"No, Finn, you can't sacrifice yourself to save the people you love!"
What she meant was
>No finn you can't have a cool, heroic moment! only womyn can be heroic in star wars now!
>wow Luke dies saving the heroes
>actually he was just faking
>actually now he's dead
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY!?!??!! Just have Luke die at the end...why even have the "fake out" part..but then he dies anyways.
For me it was Leia.
>bridge explodes
"Oh what a touching sendoff given that the actress died. Also I'm interested if Kylo will redeem himself someho- WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS MARY POPPINS SHIT?
>>her big moment is killing herself pointlessly (didn't even take down any important people
What's REALLY funny is the movie starts off with Leia berating Poe for EXACTLY THIS
>Poe: we took down a big ship!
>yeah but look at all the people who died from the assault!
>Holdo: I took down a big ship
>all those brave souls sacrificed for such a grand blow to the First Order! What a message! What a symbol!
TLJ is full of that kind of hypocrisy, it's like it was written by a minimum of 3 separate teams who did not talk to each other before the movie was filmed.
I've put a lot of thought into this phenomenon. It seems to me that they seem to write a number of important plot points and then loosely lay them out in chronological order. They seem to work on one plot point at a time and don't make any attempt to consider them in relation to other plot points beyond a handwaved explanation on how one chronologically leads to another.
>The rebels hyperspace away and are shocked to find the FO has tracked them. Now they're in a desperate race to reach the nearest base while running out of fuel
>Doesn't that mean that they deliberately jumped to the middle of fricking nowhere where it would take a day burning their entire fuel supply to reach the nearest base? Doesn't matter, the plot says it's happening so we're already moving on.
I attribute it to Rian because I can see the same shit in Glass Onion. Our heroes need to duck out of sight as the Joe Rogen guy enters. Doesn't matter if there's no where to conceivably hide, just know that they successfully hid and eavesdropped on him. The doodle on the napkin doesn't really make sense? Doesn't matter, we already told you it's important.
They also immediately introduced the plot hole of ships using their hyper drive to destroy larger ships and then immediately in the next movie had to pretend it was some one in a million lucky shot.
meaning that she either:
>didn't know that her plan had a 1 in a million chance of succeding, making her a total fricking moron
or
>gambled the existence of the entire rebel alliance on a plan with a 1 in a million chance of succeding, making her, again, a total fricking moron
>the next movie had to pretend
a talented writer could have rolled with it, sorry jjcucks
>Yes she did
No she didn't you stupid frick. You would know this if you watched it.
>Yes she did
No she didn't, she said "lol I have a plan trust me bro" and let Poe panic.
bros what happened, is he still doing his own Trilogy?
If hyperspace ramming a ship into another works as well as it did, why didn't she do it immediately after everyone started escaping? And why did she had to stay in the ship to pilot it? It has been shown again and again that any astromech is perfectly capable of piloting a whole ship by itself.
she had to wait until there were no more guns pointed at her ship so that she could stall and turn the ship around. it was a pretty dumb retcon that lasers had an "effective range" but iirc the ship was just out of range of the fleet and their lasers.
These abomination of movies are worse than the Marvels 2 Aquaman 2 Flash Blue Beetle Batman Forever and Batman and Robin
Animated Return of the Jedi would have to come up with a better idea than Death Star part 2. That was a let down
RotJ has many problems but why is Death Star 2 so complained about? It makes sense in the setting and I think it had an interesting executing by still being built, unlike Starkiller base which felt like a 10 years old idea of "Death Star but BIGGER and has MULTIPLE LASERS"
Death Star 2 was a great idea. Only morons whine about it because they don't have much else to knock the OT for but feel a compulsion and need to be able to shit on it. Every super weapon afterwards though has been unimaginative trash especially the idiocy of starkiller base and the supremacy.
I don't understand the ST's super weapon... they blew up the capital planet, the seat of the galactic government. Weren't they trying to restore the empire? Coruscant was the capital of the Empire, so taking it for themselves should've been the goal. From Coruscant they'd have direct access to all the levers of power for the galactic government and would also become more legitimate for being in control of the capital that's ruled the Galaxy for thousands of years.
But instead they... blow it up. Where are the FO even headquartered at? Do they have a headquarters? I got the vibe they were like a space ISIS, just a military junta without a state.
But wait: it gets dumber!
TLJ reveals that many of the New Republic's politicians were secretly funding the First Order. So the FO essentially blew up their own backers. Whoops!
They didn't even blow up Coruscant, they blew up Hosnian Prime. You're forgiven for not knowing, because the movie never explained that.
I would assume that the politicians fled the planet before the First Order nuked them. Either that or they used it as an excuse to tie up loose ends and incompetent/disloyal politicians of "loyalist" planets.
JJ and Rian did not think that far, though.
>Hosnian Prime
I don't even know what this is so I suspect it was never mentioned in any of the movies.
I think it's only mentioned in the novels that explain what happens before the Sequel Trilogy and the novelization of TFA.
>I think it's only mentioned in the novels that explain what happens before the Sequel Trilogy
Somehow I doubt it makes any sense. The emergence of the First Order is like it just appeared out of nothing in TFA. There's no explanation given for how an imperial remnant somehow has a bigger and more advanced military than the actual empire, while presumably having only a fraction of the empire's resources.
>>I would assume that the politicians fled the planet before the First Order nuked them
I am so sure they are thrilled about having their planets blown up though.
There are several demoralized losers on this site that would vote for people whose platform was "blow up the Earth" because they are just that bitter about being losers. I doubt a politician would be like that though, they actually have stuff to lose.
>They didn't even blow up Coruscant, they blew up Hosnian Prime.
I always laugh thinking about this.
JJ Abrams was trying to rehash episode 4 scene for scene without understanding the purpose of the original scenes
Blowing up Alderaan was important because it Was Leia's homeworld and Luke's destination
The First Order blows up a few planets that don't even have a fricking name
Just some nameless negress and a few aliens that don't tie into the plot AT ALL
I think the canonical explanation is because they are mean and evil.
you see, the prequels had in universe politics and world building but everyone hated them so we need popcorn slop with no political intrigue. just as well though, the politics section of canto shite was terrible
>Every super weapon afterwards though has been unimaginative trash especially the idiocy of starkiller base and the supremacy.
The World Devastators were based, but I can't think of any other good ones. The problem is that most super weapons amounted to either buffed-up Death Stars or buffed-up Super Star Destroyers (or both, in the case of the Eclipse).
The Malevolence was also a decent one, since a giant ion cannon is different from a giant superlaser.
Because we already saw a death star in the first movie.
You really are a simpleton. Let me guess, playing on your phone when they explained the purpose of the second death star?
t. dummy
Wait I figured it out. Finally. After years of thinking.
Holdo IS a genius. You just have to realize one thing: she's working for Kylo Ren. Not the First Order, but Ren specifically. He's the only one who really benefits from what happens. He comes out of this as the undisputed leader of the First Order, now the unchallenged masters of the Galaxy, having essentially eradicated the entire Resistance, and with Snoke dead and having the massacre of the Resistance as a feather in his cap, nobody dares to challenge his supremacy.
Consider her actions:
>she keeps everybody together on one ship, instead of using smaller ships to spread out
>this makes it easier for Ren to wipe them out in one fell swoop, if they scattered to the winds he'd never get his coup of a victory
>she deliberately sows chaos in the ranks of her forces by manipulating Poe into staging a mutiny by carefully feeding him fragments of information designed to make him do something drastic
>Poe is not smart enough to think of a real alternative to her plan, only smart enough to realize it's suicidal
>The chaos of his mutiny will prevent anyone else from coming up with a viable alternative, and the reformed unity behind her when the mutiny fails will quiet anyone who would challenge her decisions thereafter
>her "plan" is to hide on a planet from which there is no escape and has no fortifications capable of withstanding an assault from the FO
>to get there, they will take hundreds of smaller ships without any cloaking to the surface
>there's a zero percent chance they won't be noticed because the ship chasing them has advanced tracking devices capable of even following them through hyper space
>they will certainly notice hundreds of sublight engines on an abandoned planet that has no native space traffic to camouflage them
>for her final act she fakes her death with a "suicide attack" that kills most of Kylo's rivals in the FO
Reminds me of the Rise of Skywalker Darth Rey theory, where the plot only makes sense if you interpret it as Rey becoming Dark Lord of the Sith.
>"kill me so I can take over your body!"
>- "no!"
>kills him anyway
??
Don't forget she weaponized hyperdrive which essential broke the entire consistency of the weapon power levels at stake.
As much shit TLJ (deservedly) gets, TFA was the main culprit of destroying the continuity of Star Wars.
>episode 6 ends with the rebels celebrating their victory over the empire
>"how do we follow up on that?"
>"with storm troopers brutalizing a village of course"
TFA was enjoyed at first because of surface level nostalgic appeal, but it killed the franchise. TLJ only spit and danced on it's grave. RoS was using it's corpse as a puppet, or like that real skeleton in Disneyland.
>whats the quest mcguffin?
>a map
>to what?
>luke skywalker
jj had han, leia, r2, and luke, makes the couple get divorced, kills han, has r2 deactivated the entire movie, and gives luke like 30 seconds of screen time and no lines. To be fair he did a lot better than rian did with luke and leia.
JJ is like an OT fanboy who has a very shallow understanding of what makes those movies good. He just took everyone and everything back to what they were in the first movie because it felt familiar, not realising he undid everything those movies built.
Rian is like a snob who hates the franchise. He understood Star Wars better than Abrams but took all opportunities to spit on it.
I really don't want to sound like I'm defending TFA and I want to be clear that I'm not, but it was honestly still salvageable largely thanks to JJ's own incompetence. The setting was so poorly established in TFA that it was basically a template. Any decent writer could have worked off that foundation. They still would have been working off a handicap of starting off with a retreat of the OT, but they could still take it somewhere else.
>explosion of the rebel base serves as a literal backdrop for what is supposed to be a touching romantic moment
>quote is directed at someone who was explicitly not motivated by anger but by a desire to save his friends
>This quote is immediately following Holdo sacrificing herself
>And immediately preceding Luke sacrificing himself
lmao
>Holdo sacrificing herself
>Luke sacrificing himself
Rian Johnson has a suicide fetish. If you've seen his movies, you know.
>>And immediately preceding Luke sacrificing himself
Honestly, it almost COULD have worked if Luke had not sacrificed himself.
This.
Luke making a big show of sacrificing himself and then NOT doing it would have been the capstone to her speech. It's phenomenal how fricking stupid the script is.
>TFA was enjoyed at first because of surface level nostalgic appeal
by whom?
It was such a blatant traceback of ANH that it is almost as if they made a remake but last minute switched it to being a sequel.
Maybe because I had already seen how israeliteisraelite destroyed Trek I had the foresight to know that the sequels will be an unmitigated disaster so came in biased from the get go.
>It was such a blatant traceback of ANH
That's what awed people at first, it's the basic hero story they wanted
Was I the only one completely disappointed by TFA? What the frick happened between 6 and 7? How the frick did the first order come to be?
The charm of star wars is this universe, yet the sequels pretend like they're inventing star wars from scratch
Why did Disney bank on the fat old coke prostitute not dying? I know killing Han was the only way they could bring Harrison Ford back but killing Luke too and leaving Leia alive just seemed short sighted.
>short sighted
that's called SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS you low brow hick
>not fighting what we hate, saving what we love...
>that's how we're gonna win
>*immediate cut to energy beam hitting rebel base*
It could be in a comedy movie, what the hell were they thinking?
Then not only that, but Holdo fighting what she hates and winning
>and winning
She lost in every conceivable way.
>she died
>nearly all her friends died immediately after she did
>the few survivors of her idiot plan are now fugitives who have lost their means of fighting the First Order
>also, taking her supposed strategic brilliance at face value, she has no deprived her allies of that brilliance in the coming battles
Turns out military commanders retreated from battle not because they were cowards who didn't believe enough in their cause, but because it's pretty fricking hard for the people under your command to replace you if you're actually good at your job.
Not to mention *zero* chemistry between the two. Why would she give her life to save him? How did he even make it back to base and not get scooped up by the FO?
>FO sees Finn limping across the salt
>"Should we capture him?"
>"Why? He's a bumbling idiot janitor. Don't even blow him up, he's just another useless mouth for them to feed if he makes it back."
imagine seeing two of those dinky speeders collide into eachother infront of your death laser. the fear and tension they must have felt when they saw this vehicle withstanding the heat and having the potential to actually fracture the lens of your cannon was similar to ours in the theater. then they see a woman driver teleport in front of the speeder and tbone the bravest resistance fighter in the galaxy. Honestly they probably thought both of the pilots died in the crash.
>sister dies fighting what they hate
>entire first order dies fighting what they hate
>kylo dies twice fighting what he hates
>finn and rose survive saving what they love
its like masonry, it rhymes
>kylo dies twice fighting what he hates
Kylo died saving rey...what he loved
I wonder what Chinese audiences thought about the Finn/Rose romance subplot
Well it did make me laugh.
I find memes about nu-star wars funny despite never watching them.
never will watch them either.
>it is important that everyone hears me declare what I dont like and wont do
Vegan mentality.
This image never fails to draw out literally every lurking SJW, troon, and glowBlack person on the board. You get flak when you're over the target.
>pic
This is literally every story in human history. All of them. Name a story, it contains some of this.
Every story has a female whose breasts are reduced in some aspect?
Somewhat, yeah. But point is that every story, no matter which one, contains at least one of the elements described in that image.
DIE CIS SCUM
Last jedi could have been somewhat interesting or salvageable if Rey would have agreed to help the bad guy at the end. But yeah, the last jedi is probably the worst movie I've ever seen in the theater and I just looked it up on rotten tomatoes and imdb and I can't believe the praise it's getting
del Toro's character: "Both sides of the war are dirty. Your precious Leia is just as bad as the First Order."
I don't know why Disney thought "slander Princess Leia" was a viable direction to take the series in that the fans and audiences would all love, but there you go. At least the movie seemed to forget about it five minutes after it brought it up.
del Toro's character
What? I don't remember what his junkie ass character was named.
Looking trans therr
It's amazing how the Sequels have both some of the most blatant cheap fan service and at the same time a load of shit that feels it was carefully engineered to piss off the fans.
>6 hours and 45 minutes ago
TOTAL
KENNEDY
DEATH
how is she still around?
what was the point of this character
what is the point of trying to appeal to some sociopolitical fad already fading away by the time the film is released?
why would a military officer need to be put in his place about the chain of command?
Bad writing?
AN HETERO NORMATIVE CEO???
>Luke, have I ever told you about Asajj Ventress? She was Count Dooku's exotic Sith acolyte I fought against many times during the clone wars. She had the most flexible legs in the whole galaxy, and the least body hair too. The troopers committed treason every time she sneaked into their quarters and convinced them through sex. Once a whole platoon had their way with her in a single night and she still had stamina for a lightsaber duel after. There were surveillance cameras but we just let it happen, of course we kept the recordings too. I think she knew it, sometimes she would look at the camera and blow a kiss if she wasn't using her mouth. I fell into her trap once when she used her witchcraft to hold me, then she fricked me saying it would "turn me to the dark side" or something. I'm telling you, her head wasn't the only bald thing on her body. Satine would get jealous every time I went in a mission against her. She gave up the war after Maul "dominated" her with his brother, then went on as a bounty hunter. And she was a good friend.
I'd still frick Laura Dern. And I don't care what any of you say.
Star Wars movies became shit the moment the focus on Luke and his journey was lost.
>wacha thinking, woman?
https://youtube.com/shorts/oJY1A9GiG6Q
I like how the scene is so poorly edited you can literally pick out what were reshoots.
>Holdo has a stern, serious look on her face
>cut
>Holdo is grinning and looking around like she has no clue what's going on
>cut
>Holdo is stern and serious, grrr, how dare you question me?
>cut
>oh, why hello Poe, my dear old friend, lets discuss flowers