>A King may move a man, a father may claim a son, but remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.
How do you respond here without sounding like an atheist?
"I will remember that, thank you."
We did it.
But I was just following orders they told me came from God.
I ignored god because they were f****** moronic orders, also I was being tortured poison in puppeteered and possessed so felt hypocritical and not sincere so ignore them obviously
>...oh shit now i recognize that voice, edward norton right?
A bit nasal, a bit whiny, a slight hint of a lisp overcome through childhood speech therapy? Yup, that's Eddie N.
The only miraculous Crusade was the first one. Everything beyond that was just banditry on the name of Christ.
>The only miraculous Crusade was the first one. Everything beyond that was just banditry on the name of Christ.
Nah it was continuously necessary since muslims never learn.
>the muslims never learn
The Fourth Crusade..anons..
Greeks never learn either
Pay debnts!
Every crusade was a monumental failure except the first one and each left the muslims stronger than before.
you are historically illiterate, there were no wars for centuries between Muslims or Christians, it was banditry from the get go
killing heathens is never a sin
Just like Jesus teachings if you kill someone you will go to heaven. Go suck some israelite penis.
ITT Cinemaphile pretends to like virtue
i would say
>now i sit in jerusalem, and look upon a king
That's good advice, Christian or not
>this guy's first campaign as a military leader was against Saladin and actually won against him
>while outnumbered
>when he was just 16 years old and just ascended to throne after the regency lapsed
What the frick
>and after all that he got punished by leprocy and his death doomed Christian holding of the Holy Lands until today, bringing even more death and bloodshed in the area
I'm confused. Shouldn't the Christian god (the supposedly one true god) safeguard one of his primary champions back then? Why did he allow all this to happen? Leprocy was beyond Baldwin's will and judgement.
God doesn't make the world this way, we do. It is our duty to fix the messed we made or allowed to happen.
how do you, as a human, fix leprosy in the 1200s?
That's not really the point. Maybe a cure for leprosy would have been discovered if humans weren't bickering with war and following their carnal desires for 3000 years. Maybe he wouldn't have contracted it in the first place if the men who failed before him didn't lead him into such a situation where leprosy would follow. Not all ambitions can be achieved in one lifetime, yes, but to continue the status quo instead of making progress to achieve those ambitions is an unconscious admission of guilt/weakness. But that's what makes us human, I suppose.
>frick god embrace godless science
>suddenly quality of life improves x1000
hmmmm
t.8th grader in philosophy class
>here is a list of condition on which you can receive god's uncoditional love btw
When did science become godless? Because it was mostly done by devout people up until like 50 years ago. Even most of the apollo team were religious
>god Black folk were mostly murdering atheists or making their lives hell 50 years ago
there much more accurate now
Good. Atheists are less than animals
>>frick god embrace godless science
quality of life improves x1000
Le totally bro!
>quality of life improves x1000
>humans industrialize
>gobble up all surface minerals and petroleum
>most intelligent individuals fail to reproduce
>natural disaster or nuclear war destroys man's infrastructure
>man is now too dumb and the resources too deep underground for reindustrialization to be possible
1500AD-2500AD in a nutshell
t. informed member of a valid church (anglican, orthodox, catholic) whose baptismal lineage can be traced back to Christ
t. moronic american denomination """christian""" whose baptism likely means absolutely nothing and who prays to jesus to help him win a soft ball game
This homie believes in magic lmao
lmao, God's power is absolute and real while magic since day 1 is considered false and the Church has always made a distinction between God's power/will and magic. Hell, Saint Augustine back in his day said we don't have a reason to hunt witches because there's no such thing as witches or magic powers.
There
God's power is indistinguishable from woo woo witchy crystal magic, in that neither exist or can be remotely measured or proven
based High-church unity chad. Ortho-Anglo-Catho brotherhood NOW
But leprocy is beyond a mortal's agency. In layman terms, Baldwin didn't have anything to do with it. And yet after him, every significant chance of long-lasting Christian presense in the area was basically nullified as years went by.
All part of Yahwehs 4D chess moves. 2 more weeks. Trust the plan.
His legacy still lives on as one of the greatest Christians who ever lived. He represents young male struggle than most figures.
yeah it’s a commonly held christian belief that nothing bad can ever happen to them ever. you’re moronic
Hello Dora the Explorer Scholar
All those that are loyal to God and His service are rewarded with eternal life and eternal glory. For all we know Baldwin IV is clean of leprocy and sharing the glory of God with the other saints, while Saladin is burning in the worst punishment possible for all of eternity.
Trust in God and Trust His justice.
Saladin too believe in God though, why would he burn in hell?
Because his religion rejects Christ as the messiah despite all the signs, evidence, and prophecies. It trades Jesus for Muhammad, a warmongering pedophile.
And Christianity rejects Muhhamed as prophet, so according to their religion it's Baldwin who is burning in hell and Saladin who is with God in heaven.
We reject Muhammad because the dude was a bandit who couldn't read and made up a religion which he grew by telling people they could convert and become bandits with him or die. Then he had enough converts to raise an army and traveled to city to city, giving the people the aame previous options and this time a high tax on those who agree to not cause trouble but refuse to convert. Only brown ""people"" are so dumb to believe this.
Jesus remainded broke and went to town to town showing off his miracles to prove his divine birth.
If Jesus and God are the same entity then Jesus arbitrarily slaughtered all sorts of people throughout the Old Testament
>arbitrarily
>t. doesn't know anything about the old testament
Yes, I'm sure Sodom and Gomorrah were only full of saints
Yahweh hardened Pharaoh's heart and subverted his free will so he could slaughter innocent gentile babies.
You have to understand the way that Old Testament authors write. They have a worldview where there are all kinds of competing—people who believe in competing gods. So one of the things they do is they really stress the idea that the true God is in control, that He is almighty, that He is not like the gods of the nations. So the biblical authors use—they really want to stress that God is in control, and that nothing would happen if God didn’t at least allow it; but to make that point, they frequently used a form of speech called hyperbole.
And similarly, when Jesus says in order to avoid sin cut off your hand or pluck out your eye, that’s exaggeration to make a point. It’s hyperbole. He means do whatever you need to do to deal with sin; but he doesn’t envision literally plucking out your eye or literally cutting off your hand, because really the root of sin is in your heart, and simply cutting off your hand would not deal with the root of sin. You’d still have temptation, you’d still be able to sin. His point is; “Do what you need to do to deal with it.”
It’s famous, in Exodus God tells Moses “I’m gonna harden Pharaoh’s heart so he’s gonna resist the exodus, but then in the end he will let Israel go.” One of the things that’s been pointed out about that incident is that actually the text says that Pharaoh hardened his heart first, and only later did God harden it. And so that may be—and various interpreters have understood it to be—a sign of God simply allowing Pharaoh to go on the sinful course he wanted to go on. Pharaoh hardened his heart, and then God let him do that, and it becomes spoken of as if God had hardened his heart; but really that’s exaggeration to mean that God let Pharaoh continue in his hardened, sinful way.
Tldr
read the answer or remain in your ignorance, the choice is yours
Yes, keep posting your reddit /r/atheist pasta. I'm sure the brutal dictator that owned tens of thousands of slaves needed his free-will removed to slaughter his slaves
Thats what your own holy text says moron
See
The Old Testament was written by Devil Worshipers (Jews). Jesus came along to set things straight and the devil worshipers had him killed for this.
The will of God is perfect. You speak in arrogance if you as a mere mortal think can decide better than God.
Imagine having earnest belief in Bronze Age Canaanite mythologies lmao. What a frickin moron
The Canaanites idols were crushed by The Will of God, your mockery does not change the truth and God is The Truth.
Strawman, try again.
Yahweh (God of Abraham) was part of the Canaanite pantheon before being the Christian God kek
Refuted.
Not at all.
The ancient Israelites, of whom the israeli people constituted one of 12 tribes, were strongly opposed to the pagan religion of the Canaanites, as the Book of Joshua starkly details. Indeed, Canaanite religion included various abominations, such as child sacrifice to the god Molech (Lev. 20:1-5, Jer. 32:35), and Israel went to war on various occasions lest God’s people be gravely led astray by the Canaanites’ religious practices.
The religion of Israel—and by extension Christianity, its fulfillment—in no way derives from Canaanite religion. Rather, beginning with Abraham (Gen. 12:1-3), God uniquely calls a people to serve as his salvific instrument for the whole world. Abraham’s descendants first become a nation, prophesied in Genesis 15 and fulfilled under the leadership of Moses (Ex. 24). His people then become a kingdom, prophesied in Genesis 17 and initially fulfilled in David and his royal descendants (1 Samuel 16ff.).
The Davidic kingdom would fall in 587/586 BC. Yet, as noted, God destined his people to be a “catholic” or universal blessing, i.e., one meant to embrace all nations, prophesied first in Genesis 22 and ultimately fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the King of kings, who restored and fulfilled the kingdom of Israel in founding the Catholic Church (Luke 1:26-33; Matt. 28:18-20).
The cult of Yahweh was a religion practiced by the ancient Israelites kek. This is fact
Anon, you offer to counter argument but a statement that was refuted by my previous argument. You can reply and answer in a intellectual honest way or we can leave this discussion right here, because I get the feelings you are going to stubbornly hold your false statement.
I'm just taking the piss. You can't have a sincere debate with an adult who believes in magic and hypothetical immaterial realms of existence
So you admit your dishonesty in this argument. I can't say I'm surprised, but the irony of your comment has no limits.
>no u
Stunning
How is that a no U. I'm asking you if you admit being dishonest in this discussion and I'm also accusing you of not knowing it is ironic you ask for sincerity when you in the first place don't want to offer sincerity.
I'm not asking for sincerity because I know it's impossible. You can't reason with religious types because of faith based reasoning.
You are thinking in a circular way. I do not offer sincerity or a sincere discussion, because religious people cannot offer a sincere discussion, that is why I do not offer a sincere discussion. Your conclusion is your proposition, that's circular thinking.
Refuted
The Didache
“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
>I do not offer sincerity or a sincere discussion, because religious people cannot offer a sincere discussion
I'm sure you may be sincere in your convictions, but you can't debate someone who uses faith as a basis for truth. Or I guess you could, but why waste the energy to entrench someone else in their POV
That seems more like an excuse to me. The only thing I can tell you is that you are stubborn and that until now you have not proven to be right, but what you did show was that you have no problems with acting dishonestly and insincerely in an argument.
You are offering a counterargument that was already refuted in my previous response.*
Hard to play the devil's advocate for the guy, but there are millions of people who believe in that stuff, because they were born and raised in Muslim countries and simply don't know any better, so what you're telling me is that all of them are going to burn in hell for their beliefs?
Yes.
>have knowledge of the truth
>refuse to follow the truth despite it being so easy to do so
The only exception would be children that die young and never are exposed to the gospel
What knowledge of truth are you talking about here?
>>have knowledge of the truth
what truth you colossal idiot? they kept editing religion for centuries. All kinds of variants existed. oh wait let me guess whichever crowd won a civil war or got roman emperor on their side had true god beside them. A true Black person mentality. And creatures like you dare to talk of truth.
>or got roman emperor on their side had true god beside them.
Christianity was preached way before Constantine was even born, some of the Church Fathers also precede the edict of milan by centuries, these tradition was never broken, even today.
How can you be so arrogant and ignorant?
>these tradition was never broken
thye literally invented trinity in like 350 AD and put line about it in gospel.
Well tbf they had to reconcile that contradictory scripture somehow
wrong. The book of Mark, first widely spread just 33 years after the death of Christ, makes refference to the trinity directly - as does the book of Matthew, in particular Matthew 28:19, which dates to around 70 ad.
They didn't "put line about it in the gospel", the trinity is all over the gospel.
The divinity of Christ is even charter in the first words of John. Not only that, but the trinitarian image of God is all throughout the old testament. The verse they added, that you may be referring too, is "Because there are three in Heaven that testify – the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit – and these three are one." which is an annotation in the margins of John by and early Christian - this is not an "added verse" but a textual gloss or glossa - any scholar of the Bible knows this.
There are regardless plenty of examples of the trinity being referred to in the Bible, not the least of which is the fact that in the gospels there IS a father, son, and holy spirit.
Yes.
christbros, our response?
Because he is Muslim and all Muslims worship evil.
How so?
They worship Mohammed and Mohammed was an evil man who murdered, raped, stole, and had sex with girls whos age was in the single digits.
Muslims don't deny this either, they just get red in the face and try to murder you. Sinful people.
Because Jesus is The Son of God and God in the flesh. To reject Jesus is to reject God.
Muhammad has neither prophecies nor a path in the same way as Jesus Christ. The summit of Christ's teaching is his death and resurrection, putting an end to death and sin on the cross. Muhammad on the other hand dies of fever and is not revived. Theologically and structurally Muhammad is just one of the many false prophets who appeared and Christ firmly warned us about them. Christ, on the other hand, gives fullness to the old law of the Old Testament and opens the doors to all the children of the world through baptism and his crucifixion.
absolutely based
holy quints confirmed
praise be these holy quints
Saladin is in purgatory
he was virtuous but lacked the required faith
dante alighieri comes upon him in his travels in the inferno
There's a reason they're called christcucks
He was already sick before he became king thougheverbeit.
He lived quite long for someone with this sickness and such an exhausting life.
>Leprocy was beyond Baldwin's will and judgement.
Actually he got it from licking an armadillo, which was an action of his own free will
he sent his own son (who was himself? honestly I don't get it, I really don't) to get nailed to a cross
Because he got completely railroaded by his own rules and plan that he made up but could also change at any time.
God could certainly have chosen any method He wanted to save us. God chose the Passion of the Cross because it showed the depravity of sin and the depths of His love.
Thomas Aquinas (Summa III Q46 A3) noted that while anything God chose would have sufficed for our salvation the Passion was the perfect means because:
“In the first place, man knows thereby how much God loves him, and is thereby stirred to love Him in return.”
“. . . because thereby He set us an example of obedience, humility, constancy, justice, and the other virtues displayed in the Passion, which are requisite for man’s salvation.”
“. . . because by this man is all the more bound to refrain from sin, according to 1 Corinthians 6:20: ‘You are bought with a great price: glorify and bear God in your body.’”
“. . . because it redounded to man’s greater dignity, that as man was overcome and deceived by the devil, so also it should be a man that should overthrow the devil; and as man deserved death, so a man by dying should vanquish death.”
This is a great mystery of faith. At Mass when the priest celebrant intones “The Mystery of Faith” after the consecration of the chalice he is referring to the Eucharistic sacrifice, Calvary itself that has just been made present in our midst.
I don't see where love comes into the situation where a bunch of israelites got some romans to kill some guy
And yet you persist in your dishonest and mocking attitude.
The Word of God is eternal and there will always be someone sharing the good news of the gospel. Your mockery is futile.
>And yet you persist in your dishonest and mocking attitude.
I'm genuinely asking
I do admit it sounds ridiculous to say that god sent himself who was also his son to die to romans because of israelites an this is all because he loved us
You've been taught that this makes sense your entire life so you can't see how goofy it is, but I assure it is very goofy.
Christianity has persevered through all the challenges of this world. I find it more goofy to believe that this institution and the truth have been maintained by pure chance and not by the will of God all these years.
so has Islam lmao wtf does that have to do with anything?
There are flies that literally can't eat because their mouths are fricked up but it doesn't matter because they reproduce before they starve
Do you see what I'm saying? ..probably not, actually
Speak in giberish, anon. Your best defense is to say, yeah but what about this, you are a relativist because there is a difference in the persistance of Christianity and that of Islam.
You're right, Islam is accelerating it's spread while Christianity is dying. Good point.
Islam is actually on a sharp decline. Christianity is also on the decline, but not as steep a decline.
So did Orthodox israelites though and pretty much any other religion, except for European pagan ones.
And yet they can not give fullness of the law after the temple's destruction, while Christianity can.
>In some regions, the number of Christians is rapidly growing. This is particularly the case in the Middle East, Africa, and parts of Asia. The Middle East and North Africa are worth noting, as they have traditionally been identified as the heartland of Islam for over fourteen centuries. In many remarkable ways, this region is currently experiencing a Christian spiritual awakening, as significant numbers of people openly abandon Islam, rushing to believe the gospel of Jesus, and proclaim Him as Lord and Savior
Come on, anon.
>in some regions
>as they have traditionally been identified as the heartland of Islam
Come on, anon. Read.
>Nobody can be sure. Not even you.
Yes I can. You in the other hand admit you can't be sure.
>Yes I can
I believe you believe you can be sure
You believing I can is besides the point. You in the other hand admit even your belief is not speculative, the moment you admited that you refuted yourself.
admitted*
belief is speculative*
>You believing I can is besides the poin
You believing you can is as well. Believing something doesn't make it true
All religious belief is speculative, but devout theists obviously don't think that.
>All religious belief is speculative
Not at all, I can say there's good arguments and evidence to believe in Christianity. Which is something more solid that to say everything is speculative, because that statement is self-refuting.
It was not a faulty argument but my sincere belief that it is more goofy to believe by sheer chance Christianity survived all these years, which was a reply to the idea that the crucifixion is goofy.
If that belief does not convince you that is fine, I can change for a more solid one.
How is it by sheer chance? The church has / had immense wealth and power, are you saying that they didn’t use any of it to influence belief?
>I can say there's good arguments and evidence to believe in Christianity
As there is for every single other religion. You just believe your speculation is affirmed by the fruits of your faith and backed up by theological musings.
>everything is speculative
Not what I said. Positive statements about the nature of the divine are actually speculation, regardless of your brand of faith.
>As there is for every single other religion
Not at all, the problem here is that you are making the theology work of Christianity equal to others, but the theological understanding and functioning of other religions is completely different, in addition to what you would consider as good evidence in other religions?
You are a reductionist
>Not at all, the problem here is that you are making the theology work of Christianity equal to others
You're making it greater than others because you're a Christian.
>but the theological understanding and functioning of other religions is completely different
Irrelevant because theology is not a positive science
You are lacking in introspective critical thinking.
You're just moving goal posts now. You stated that persistence of Christianity is evidence of it being the truth, yet the same argument doesn't apply for every other religion for some reason?
I'm making a clear difference between Islam and Judaism, your argument reduces to "what about this", because it refuses to see Christianity lasting effect in the world as different from that of Islam or Judaism.
>your argument reduces to "what about this"
You are the one who made such a faulty argument in the first place. Why can't I apply your argument to literally any other surviving religion of today and come to the same conclusion as you did, I.e it being the one true religion?
Whoops this
was for you
Let me get this straight, you are saying Christianity can't be goofy since people been believing it for thousands of years now. Well once again I can made the same argument against one of (probably) your earlier posts where you stated how islam is obviously false, but it's a very old religion by now. Don't even get me started on Judaism, whose followers believe Christ was a false prophet.
You did not got it straight. I said that my sincere belief is that it is more goofy to believe by sheer chance Christianity survived all these years, which was a reply to the idea that the crucifixion is goofy. And I recognized that if that argument did not convince you, it could be replaced by a more solid one in favor of Christianity. I hope I have explained myself
>Irrelevant because theology is not a positive science
It's not irrelevant, because there is a difference. But you are trying to prove metaphysics through a materialistic view, that's not how it works.
>you are trying to prove metaphysics through a materialistic view
You're trying to prove metaphysics through an immaterial view predicated on "mysteries of faith". If some level of uncertainty and speculation wasn't present in your faith, you wouldn't have to fall back on "just have faith bro"
Good arguments and good evidence are part of the theological work of Christianity.
You are a reductionist, because Christian theology is not based only on "have faith brother" as you sardonically express it, but the faith aspect is important, and this is where we differ, all your speculation is based on a materialistic way of seeing the world, the issue here is that you yourself admitted your same belief is speculative, but following that line then there is no greater validity in what you say than in what someone else says, and the only thing you can do is assume conclusions, this includes calling the mysteries of faith as "coping"
Faith is the keystone of religion. Cope any way you'd like
Faith is the keystone of love, mercy, honor, bravery and creativity too.
Cute platitude
Feel free to provide physical evidence for love and mercy.
Show me the scientific formula for love then.
Faith in what? And the answer is God through his revelation to us.
"there is no greater love than this - that a man lay down his life for his friends"
I'm sorry if you don't know what it's like to have friends, anon. I'll pray for you.
Well said brother.
For God so loved the world that he gave* his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life
Earthly life is literally worthless though, compared to kingdom of God, so was this sacrifice. Not to mention he got to be ressurected after a couple of days making his "sacrifice" not that big of a deal.
"got to be" ressurected?
No, anon, he was ressurected from hell, after defeating death itself. He is firstborn of the dead.
Three days spent suffering for the sins of all humanity may as well be an eternity, anon.
There's so many things wrong with this post, but I refuted just one thing.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is not worthless, for redeemed mankind, the gates of Heaven were open again and man could be saved from sin and death.
It wasn't necessary though, God could do it without resorting to such an elaborate plan.
Why couldn't we be saved from death and sin until some israelites nailed a guy to a cross? What the frick?
God is all powerful, so he could do all of these things without having to torture himself
That was already explained in the previous comment, you can act as obtuse as you want, that doesn't change the answer.
It wasn't though. God could instill all of those things in the mind of man without resorting to some convoluted plan where he has to off himself. It's why you concluded with the "faith mysteries" cope
What you are implying with your words is that you know better than God. That is arrogance.
True arrogance is assuming you know the exact nature of the hypothetical divine. I'll speculate all I like
>I'll speculate all I like
Then you are not even genuine or firm with your belief. God revealed Himself to us, humanity did not "assume the nature of God", this knowledge could only be granted by God Himself.
>Then you are not even genuine or firm with your belief
I'm firm in the belief that nobody actually knows for sure
>this knowledge could only be granted by God Himself.
And we're back to "just have faith, bro"
>I'm firm in the belief that nobody actually knows for sure
Then you refuted yourself, but if you can't even be sure, then why is your statement more valid than those of the people with christian faith?
>but if you can't even be sure
Nobody can be sure. Not even you.
>then why is your statement more valid than those of the people with christian faith?
Because it's all ultimately speculation, which means all religions are equally valid. If all religions are valid, then they're useless for discerning truth since they're all wildly different.
>I've never sought God, therefore I wholeheartedly assert that men who sought him their entire lives have had just as much experience finding God as I have
lol
>Shouldn't the Christian god (the supposedly one true god) safeguard one of his primary champions back then?
If you want to make a argument of divine will being a consequence of victory, then isn't this a pretty easy debate?
Interesting, lets take a look at demographics of major European metropolises in 1920 and what they are now
He believed in works salvation. He's in hell right now.
Christcucks gonna Christcuck.
Dont try to understand Ye
some people are just born special
when I was 16 years old I was jerking off to video games and at 30 I'm doing the same
keep at it, by the time your 50 you'll be a grand master and probably have a few apprentices as well
>muh sky daddy
Let me ask you something, Baldwin… do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?
God bless all of you, anons. Merry Christmas.
He isn't wrong at all, the problem is most people are too weak or feel backed into a corner to follow it.
You too, anon.
it's not even Thanks-giving yet
God bless you too, brother. We struggle together, but if we shall persevere we shall be saved.
God bless you
How anti-semetic.
>NOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN HECKIN' VIRTUE AND OBJECTIVE MORALS
>I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO LITERALLY WHATEVER I WANT FOR HECKIN' PLEASURE AHHHHHH!!!
This is literally what Atheists think, and why they hate the concept of God, when it boils down to it. Actually children tier.
It's more the fact that those 'objective morals' usually involve selling your daughter into slavery and not eating shellfish
>not letting your daughter contract stds and frick Black folk, "arranging" her marriage to a wealthier virtuous adult is slavery
So yes, exactly what
claimed you would say
Anon the bible literally says its fine for Black folk to rape your daughter but she has to marry him after
>I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO LITERALLY WHATEVER I WANT
>BUT IF I PRETEND TO BE SORRY AFTERWARDS I'LL STILL GET INTO HEAVEN :^)
>pretend
lol
do atheists really think they understand how a religion they dont believe in works?
>doesn't subscribe to my israeli death-cult
>must be an atheist
>I'm a larpagan, I know my shit
>my dad made me go to church on easter once I'll show that old frick I'll start listening to Varg podcasts
The mind of the tradcuck can't comprehend any position or ideology that isn't born from petty spite
you can’t pretend to be
>If I'm a liar, I'll still get into Heaven
Good luck with that.
who did it better?
Yes, sire
Thank you, sire
that's how you respond to Ridley Scott, sure.
but what about to the character in the movie?
okay.
>"Yeah but my specific branch of Christianity believes that Jesus reappeared before some honeless dude and told him that he changed his mind and that all non-Christians deserve violent and horrific deaths. Even rape is permitted. So I am allowed to laugh maniacally while flaying Muslims alive and I get to rape all their women. And if you think my version of Christianity is false then you are a bigot."
>uuuh, in ENGLISH, thank you very muuuch?
Que?
I'm sorry, what? I wasn't listening. I was lost in your beautiful eyes.
"Yeah bro, whatever you say"
All disease is result of the first sin, which also lead to degradation and death. God created the world perfect and the human perfect, it was man that chose to fall from grace and die.
That's being a reductionist and the only thing you are proving is your lack of theological knowledge
>That's being a reductionist and the only thing you are proving is your lack of theological knowledge
No amount of theological sophistry and post-hoc apologia is gonna prove your magical, immaterial, nonsense kek
>immaterial
So are ideas and metaphysics is a thing, anon.
Once again, you are a reductionist with a materialistic way to see things, your ignorance of these topics does not validate your argument.
>the immaterial is exactly as I imagine it
>Proof? Nah just have FAITH bro
Emotional, feminine brained thinking. Theist tards are sad honestly.
>Kings ordained by God
>King sends me to my death
>Can't reject because God said so through King
>Also Pope said so
So become a protestant? Sounds awfully heretical if you ask me.
Inshallah
now I sit in this thread and look upon these dubs
Tradcath tourists crusading against what they perceive to be "Reddit"
>this comment is the second and only time someone mentioned leddit
Come on, anon. You can do better.
>get made fun of for being a moronic fedora tipper and making the same "'IF GOD REEL WHY BAD THING" argument #4144
>umm why are there so many christgays??
have a nice day
>Guess what, pal... I WON'T remember that.
>You don't have to tell me twice! But during the stone age...!
What if the israelites nailed more people to crosses
We'd have an army of undead water walkers
Muslims will BTFO Christians in the "Holy Land" confirming God wants Muslism to be more successful than Christians.
>Jews control the holy land in 2023
Jews BTFO Muslims and Christians in the "Holy Land" confirming God wants israelites to be more successful than Muslims and Christians.
If you are a Christian you have to admit that God wants israelites to control Israel or you are a literal larper who doesn't believe in the most basic of Abrahamic principles (predeterminism).
Did you misquote him on purpose or did you just remember it wrong? That's not quite what he says.
>if God real why bad thing happen?!
For a while I thought it was just bait but the entire internet has been flooded by such moronic shiteaters that I'm starting to fear that most people who say sub-80 IQ shit like this are being genuine.
We're not asking why "bad things happen" we're literally asking about the foundational story behind your religion: That god sacrificed himself who was his son to a roman who was convinced by israelites to stab a guy to a cross and then he was revived 3 days later and now we won't be tortured for eternity.. out of love
That is your belief
not my fricking fault it's moronic
>that most people who say sub-80 IQ shit like this are being genuine.
See by yourself, there's people that stubborn and dumb
Is the Problem of Evil real?
Why did the writers never think to answer the first thing people would ask?
And Christianity still hasn't been able to resolve this 80iq question thousands of years later. Oh and spare me your "le 2 deep for you" cope.
It was resolved 2000 years ago, not my problem if you don't like the solution.
Both Mohammad and Joseph Smith had better solutions than your fake and gay one.
>proceeds not posting the solution
Like I've said, spare me the cope anon.
>one of the most complex philosophical problems, which exists outside of religion too, should be answered in a single shitpost on Cinemaphile, otherwise it's "cope"
You got me confused, so now it's not 80iq question but a
>>one of the most complex philosophical problems
All of a sudden?
>this is such a stupid question that there’s no way you would be asking it seriously as only an 80 iq nincompoop would do so, however on the off chance that you were serious it is much too complex to answer here
Kek
Based
How is it both stupid but too complex to answer here at the same time?
Ask the christcuck
God does not intervene in the wicked acts of man because to do so would be to deny the free will he granted upon us--his greatest gift outside of creation. To intervene even once is open the doors to intervening a thousand more times, and humanity would then always wish for god to intervene more and more against their best interests. The idea of evil would be so diluted and broad in the absence of true evil that people would be begging god to smite the man who accidentally bumped into them on the street. Whether you can accept it or not, there can be no good without evil. There is no cause to be good when you are incapable of negative thought. Anyone who doesn't understand this wishes for a castrated humanity who does nothing but eat, sleep, reproduce, and die without a care in the world. God's wish for humanity is for them reach a point where they are able to overcome prejudice, hate, and violence through their own volition and will and come together as one so that he can finally bring us all into the Kingdom of Heaven where we will be granted our reward of eternal bliss at last. That's my belief, at least.
Picrel, its me bowing before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, hallowed be his name.
If I pull that mask off would you die?
I am extremely skeptical of religion including Christianity and yet I have a wonderful relationship with God because both of us know that me asking questions isn't going to destroy his power. I am but a mere person, how could I kill or even harm God? I can not, and if he is Truth, then my asking questions is seeking Him.
Too bad he's not real and religion is really embarrassingly stupid.
>christcucks seething that their desert shit is better than brown desert shit
Classic morons
Reminder that almost every single important scholar, king, conqueror, poet, artist, musician, philosopher, scientist, academic and diplomat was deeply religious.
>person x was religious in a time that religion was dominant
You convinced me, how do I tithe?
Ah, the old "everyone was forced to be religious" myth. Let me help you with that, for example with the entire Humanist movement of the Renaissance:
>Petrarch, Boccaccio, Salutati, and Bruni all wrote at length on the theme of the compatibility of the study and admiration of pagan literature with Christian belief. Likewise, Bessarion, Ficino, Pico, Lefèvre, Valla and Budé all contributed to a debate about reconciling Christian belief with the study of pagan philosophy, with the former four arguing for this and the latter two against. And they were also quite motivated by theological and doctrinal issues. Salutati, Valla, and Erasmus all pondered free will and predestination. Petrarch, Salutati, Valla, and Erasmus argued for the value of a vowed religious vocation. Valla, Landino, Acciaiuoli and Erasmus wrote meditations on the Sacraments. Manetti, Valla, Erasmus, and Lefèvre all made translations of and commentaries on the Bible, while Traversari, Erasmus, and Juan Luis Vives wrote translations of the Church Fathers. Alberti, Bessarion, Flaminio, Manetti, Traversari and Valla all wrote saints’ lives. The idea that this Humanism was somehow a force that undermined Christianity is hard to sustain if we actually read any Humanists of the period.
I never said they were forced to be or that it was incompatible but thanks for the non sequitur
Which god?
>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)
>“The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)
>“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)
>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17).
>Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24:34)
how do you say 2 more weeks in Aramaic?
"cool beans, bro."
Reminder that the word "christcuck" is literally a leftypol (later sharty) psyop. Even if you dislike Christianity for some reason, you are helping actual, literal trannies with this.
I genuinely almost think this shit is pushed by glowies to keep rightwing "hate groups" infighting
That's the only group of people I can think of who would benefit from this constant "NOOOO YOU DON'T REALLY HATE israeliteS"
I don't even dislike Christianity, but the zealotry of some of the people here are alarming. Believing that everyobe but Christians will burn in hell is the exact kind of reasoning, that could be applied to dehumanize and basically reduce to an animal any human being in one's eyes, if somebody does not adhere to your religion, political ideology or what have you, hence there are no moral or religious repercussions to commit any atrocities against them. Im sure this isnt even what most Christians believe in or official position of any church, just some schizos radical spin on it.
None of what you said has anything to do with posts like this one
. If you're looking for a genuine debate then there's no reason why you have to defend yourself when I explicitly point out shitposters like these.
Damn right
Are you saying he's not a christcuck, and that he doesn't worship a dead israelite on a stick? Because all of that is true
But that type of thinking can be applied to any type of ideological zealot, what you just said is just radicalism and that exists anywhere
That's what I said.
Not at all
I beg to differ.
You may not like the Truth but it will remain the truth no matter how much you seethe about it. Those who do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour will burn in hell, its their choice to make but no reason to b***h about it because you wanted to be a degenerate atheist and expect to get in heaven over it.
It's not their choice and never was. I'm not even talking about atheists, but people of different cultures and religions. Why should they go to hell simply because they were born in a non cheistian region?
just like my animays
Ridley Scott will have to face God's judgement for all the shit movies he inflicted on the Earth and not blame his israelite producers for telling him too
call him a christcuck point out he worships a dead israelite on a stick and move on
>God is Love
1 John 4:8
The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>What is Love?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous
>Love is not jealous
Exodus 20:5
I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God
Christianity dismantled in 3 acts. Better find a new cult.
>another fedora taking random quotes out of the bible from the context it was in so they can get an epic LEL CHEKCMATE CHRISTKEKS
God is God, God is Love and God is Jealously
God is transcendent, whatever is God is Truth.
Cope.
word salad, now eat shit
“Very well,” he said, “I will let you bake your bread over cow dung instead of human excrement.”
Ezekiel 4:15
TELL ME ABOUT BALDWIN
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK
Is kingdom of heaven actually worth watching? I only have the regular cut not the directors one
If you only want to see medieval armies fighting one another then I guess its ok, its historically inaccurate as frick and unnecessarily preachy from a modern liberal viewpoint.
One of my favorite movies to watch when I'm sick and laid up in bed.
>How do you respond here without sounding like an atheist?
I can't, I'm not gay.
I wouldnt say anything. I would listen. And thats what nobody did.
https://religions.wiki/index.php/Jehovah_defeated_by_Chemosh
>The Old Testament tells of a human sacrifice to the god Chemosh apparently causing "great divine wrath" against the army of Israel, followed by their withdrawal from the war with the Moabites. Jehovah had previously promised that Israel would prevail. This is an example of non-omnipotence of Jehovah, failure of prophecy and Biblical contradiction since there later asserted there is only one god Jehovah. This is an example of polytheism in the Bible.
Chemoshbros... stay winning
Okay, but if God is a woman, why is she so concerned with my income despite being on birth control? Doesn’t that sound more like the prostitute of Babylon, mother of prostitutes? Could we be in the end times, rabbi?
>The Blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven Will See the Punishments of the Damned So That Their Bliss May Be More Delightful to Them
what did Thomas "I love sadism" Aquinas mean by this?
He was acknowledging that the Vatican is the literal headquarters of Hell on Earth, so for all the good beasts that could afford to be around vegana they could still pretend they were in heaven as they watch poor people die as a part of Satan’s plan. This is why God killed Aquinas with a tree branch knocking him off his gay donkey.
I can't have you slander St. Thomas Aquinas like this.
I'll remember. Thanks! I surely don't want to end in the Fire like all those disbelievers.
I know you are but what am I?
>excuse myself and leave the room
>spend 20 minutes either having or pretending to have a shit
>come back
>meeting has ended