its ok but i dont understand final scene
why would there be spanish ships at the collapse of maya empire? theres like 300 or 400 years gap. someone confused with spanish conquistadors raiding inca
This, not enough people do it, I hate hearing modern english in period pieces set in foreign countries
Try to consume any and all media in its original language, if possible. It has the same effect. There's just something special about it being authentic.
Crouching tiger hidden dragon was what did it for 13 year old me. Everyone I know hates subtitles because it distracts from what's happening on screen and to an extent I agree, but the authenticity and immersion are much more satisfying for me personally and outweigh the negatives of having to read translation
>spend the whole movie reading
midwit languagelets will never have the true authentic experience of hearing and understanding the language while also appreciating the visuals. if you cant speak 13 languages youre unironically never gonna make it and never have a pure cinematic experience like me. stay mad and keep reading your movies LOL
But not the part where they cut people shears out infront of a cheering crowd in order to.convince them that the sun was coming back but actually it was just a priest flexing his brain muscles in order to keep himself in power?
>cut people shears out infront of a cheering crowd in order to.convince them that the sun was coming back
Don't think you're remembering it right, the sacrifices stopped during the eclipse, and the priest announced when it was over that it was a sign the god had been sated for now
The scene at the beginning of the village life with the weird fricking comedy was dogshit and the plot contrivance of them being saved by a solar eclipse was dumb, but otherwise the movie is great, I agree.
It was just a typical establishment of what their daily lives were like, before that daily existence got extinguished for them, a ton of films do it, typically every "disaster" movie ever
Titanic wastes like 90 minutes establishing all the characters and "who they are"
>Their daily lives was to play practical jokes on each other?
It was one plot thread, mainly establishing how they were ragging on that one guy for his as yet inability to produce a child >And those are the only parts I didn't like
And that's fine, tastes vary, I personally didn't have any problem with it, especially since it's the only comedy like that in the movie
>It was kinda funny, yes, but it felt completely out of place
Jesus Christ this is some room temperature IQ. The scene is there to establish that even though these homies are naked and in the middle of the jungle they are just people living their lives. It's there for you to empathize with a culture that's very different from yours and to start thinking about these characters as exactly that instead of something out of a National Geographic documentary.
>Get a grip, homosexual
I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history. Also clearly it didn't or a mental midget like you would not have been flabbergasted by the characters making a joke. People make jokes multiple times a day. Men that live, play or work together mess with each other as a joke all the time, it's so universally common that pretty much every culture even has a specific name for it. I don't even know why i have to explain this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>ancient cultures living in the jungle made American Pie pranks and the whole village laughed
7 months ago
Anonymous
>maybe if i double down on being moronic they'll just assume i was merely pretending the whole time! Y-yes! That's it!
First day?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history.
You're the one shitting your pants because someone doesn't like a short, borderline irrelevant scene in a movie.
>Get a grip, homosexual
I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history. Also clearly it didn't or a mental midget like you would not have been flabbergasted by the characters making a joke. People make jokes multiple times a day. Men that live, play or work together mess with each other as a joke all the time, it's so universally common that pretty much every culture even has a specific name for it. I don't even know why i have to explain this.
>maybe if i double down on being moronic they'll just assume i was merely pretending the whole time! Y-yes! That's it!
First day?
>"I don't like this scene, otherwise I think it's a great movie" >WHY?! >"I think the comedy is awkward and doesn't fit" >literally can't stop posting about how upset he is over a different opinion and keeps spamming "midwit" and strawmen examples
>I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history.
You're the one shitting your pants because someone doesn't like a short, borderline irrelevant scene in a movie.
They weren't saved by the eclipse. They were being used as blood sacrifices in order to keep the king and priest in power. Once the eclipse happened they were disposed of. And that opening banter was to establish the difference between a small nature oriented community of families against the inhumane city life of power and corruption that dwells within the hearts of man and naturally foment itself into reality given enough time.and success. He'll thenopd guy even says that man has a hole.in him that cannot be filled when he tells the story of how humans acquired their wisdom and strength from the animals
i have 2 versions of bible (2nd is greek, not hebrew) and i dont believe in gods, however i believe in jesus, i believe he was inspirational man, i just dont believe in supernatural crap and wizard powers. im very interested in the way how the bible was formed, which tales were taken from where.
i m not even talking about harry potter shit. its more like same wizardy bullshit like norse or egyptian and greek mythology. however i know some bits of the bible are taken from egyptian books
>i believe in jesus, i believe he was inspirational man, i just dont believe in supernatural crap and wizard powers
I can guarantee that you know absolutely nothing about the things that Jesus says in the Bible.
>you know absolutely nothing about the things that Jesus says in the Bible.
Given that none of it was written down until decades after he died and most of it wasn't written in the century he even lived, I doubt anyone knew what Jesus actually said after decades of the ancient telephone game
What part of "says in the Bible" did you not get? Obviously what is written in there is the only thing that matters, since we can't exactly interview Jesus right now.
I'm more interested where all these stories originate from. Jesus for sure was a real person, I believe this. However I also believe that some of stiries related to him are taken from Egyptian or Sumerian folklore. Remember that the bible was formed over centuries, and still some apocryphic texts were rejected from canon, even if they had some solid historical grounds.
We recently discovered 1000 years older version of Noah's ark tale from Sumerian texts. I believe this was inspiration for bible creators, they just changed some details.
It doesn't matter much, OT or NT were decided upon church. Some stories from OT are inspired by events that also inspired stories in NT. Remember, canon was created by the church, they decided what is OT and what is NT and what to exclude from canon.
These excluded texts, apocryphic texts, are mostly likely more believable than some canon texts.
really? you figured out all the secrets of the universe and have the definite answer in your watermelon sized head that could be made moronic by a single brick?
Hey Mel, if you're in this thread, would you make a period piece about the siege of alesia please and thanks. You did it with we were soldiers. I think you'd do a great job with alesia.
this movie would be a solid 7/10 but for some reason the ending with the boats make it a 10/10
and the last of them walking into the woods. IDK why but just true fricking kino
Sail ships at the end frick up the whole timeline. Are they Mayans or Aztecas? Either way these civilizations collapsed around 800-900 AD, maybe 1000 at best. Columbus reached america in 1492. We are talking about 500 years gap. It's not something that can be ignored.
dont care, just from the story standpoint its amazing, they were chasing this guy all through the forest, even killed their leader but as soon as they see big boat they drop what theyre doing and walk toward
Yeah, I get what you mean but from storytime makes zero sense. The movie is set at the collapse of Mayan empire which is dated somewhere around 800-900 and then there are ships from 1500s. Now either story is set 500 years after collapse of empire which doesn't make sense since we see fully functional empire, or for some reason there are CGI ships that arrived 500 years too early.
I don't even give a damn about Mayan or Aztec differences like some nerds like to point out these mistakes, they are more or less same shit for me but timeline is one big issue. It's not like few years or so, it's centuries difference. To visualize how out of place it is, I can say it's like putting Elvis Presley lookalikes in medieval era settings of Kingdom of Heaven. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look right to have Elvis coming out and performing rock and roll solo infornt of Saladin.
They killed Incas, because Aztecs and Mayans were long dead by the time Spanish came.
no it was aztecs
Guys, is this movie about Maya or Aztecas? I always confuse these.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's a mix between the two. The movie isn't trying to be historically accurate.
7 months ago
Anonymous
aztecs
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hard to say. It's not historically accurate in any way, it's just turn your brain off kind of thing. I say 80% aztecs, with only bit of Mayan stuff.
Main hero and his village people are portrayed as Mayans, however they reach city which resembles aztecs. They look like aztecs, act like, they have aztec rituals, weapons and stuff. Blame distributors who for some reasons claim the movie is about Mayans: >"As the Mayan kingdom faces its decline, a young man is taken on a perilous journey to a world ruled by fear and oppression"
This is from IMDb. Distibutors are moronic.
Columbus is only famous because he was the first European to reach America *and make it back*.
Various Amerindians reached the Old World way before Columbus reached them. Columbus himself mentioned an Inuit boat and its operators washing up in Ireland (iirc).
Plus all the apocrypha about Vikings traveling to Newfoundland.
>Plus all the apocrypha about Vikings traveling to Newfoundland.
The thought of vikings sailing across the oceans in one of their nutshells never ceases to amaze me.
>zero wolf
such an odd name for an ancient warrior. you don't really think about how abstract the concept of "zero" is until it's used by an ancient society. some cultures even today don't seem to recognize the concept of categorizing something as nothing. if they don't have it it's just not on their minds. to know and use the word zero has serious implications on their development of logistics, math, science, etc. i know it's obviously a movie that mixes several hundred years of south american history together but the real aztecs/mayans were crazy advanced as well, so it makes me wonder if they had the concept of zero originally too. they were the first to discover rubber of course, as it's where it produces indigenously, makes me wonder what other crazy shit they had
not even going to go into their alien-tier architectural abilities to create stone molds out of some sort of ageless pour. seemingly every ancient advanced civilization had special concrete that lasts forever and now we have Black person-shackled bridges that can't even last as long as it took the government welfare program "construction workers" to build it
on topic though, yes it is one of the best movies of all time, top 20 easily. and i don't agree the opening scenes are purely for comedy and slice-of-life tribal exposition shit. i think a big part of it is actually the opposite of what one anon and it's more like mel is trying to display just how ALIEN they are. how what seems absurd and even violent and malicious to you is funny to them. their life is wildly different and the bar for comfort and peace are way, way lower than ours. similar to quest for fire. was it funny that ron perlman's caveman buddies for some reason loved to drop shit on his head and watch him bleed? frick no, it was horrible. but it was funny to them, and even funny to him. they wouldn't film the scene if it didn't have a purpose
>t's more like mel is trying to display just how ALIEN they are. how what seems absurd and even violent and malicious to you is funny to them. their life is wildly different and the bar for comfort and peace are way, way lower than ours. similar to quest for fire. was it funny that ron perlman's caveman buddies for some reason loved to drop shit on his head and watch him bleed? frick no, it was horrible. but it was funny to them, and even funny to him
You are simply wrong and misinterpreted not just that scene but literally the whole movie. The movie is not depicting one culture and there are several scenes making it clear how the culture and especially violence of the city people is alien to the tribe the main characters belong to in turn. God this thread is something else...it's like Cinemaphile discussing video games kek
Do you have ANYTHING besides crying like a b***h in your green text strawmans? Midwit implies at least some capacity for wit. Right now you're coming across as a fuming 12 year old.
>Sail ships at the end frick up the whole timeline. Are they Mayans or Aztecas? Either way these civilizations collapsed around 800-900 AD, maybe 1000 at best. Columbus reached america in 1492. We are talking about 500 years gap. It's not something that can be ignored.
its ok but i dont understand final scene
why would there be spanish ships at the collapse of maya empire? theres like 300 or 400 years gap. someone confused with spanish conquistadors raiding inca
It's alt-history. The people in the movie are more aztek than mayan.
hmm maybe, looked more like east mexico/mayan rather than central mexico aztek but you may be right
Seriously. He probably just watched a youtube video about it to boot.
I appreciate Mel's insistence upon using ancient languages in his period pieces. Passion did it too Nd it helps dramatic immersion immensely
This, not enough people do it, I hate hearing modern english in period pieces set in foreign countries
Try to consume any and all media in its original language, if possible. It has the same effect. There's just something special about it being authentic.
Playing Gothic 1&2 in German is one of my favourite vidya experiences ever. Highly recommend.
Crouching tiger hidden dragon was what did it for 13 year old me. Everyone I know hates subtitles because it distracts from what's happening on screen and to an extent I agree, but the authenticity and immersion are much more satisfying for me personally and outweigh the negatives of having to read translation
>spend the whole movie reading
midwit languagelets will never have the true authentic experience of hearing and understanding the language while also appreciating the visuals. if you cant speak 13 languages youre unironically never gonna make it and never have a pure cinematic experience like me. stay mad and keep reading your movies LOL
I can speak 4 languages fluently. What now?
>cant even speak 13 like me
ngmi
I can do a kickflip with a fingerboard. Suck my nuts.
The village raid scene really got to me. Shit's gruesome.
But not the part where they cut people shears out infront of a cheering crowd in order to.convince them that the sun was coming back but actually it was just a priest flexing his brain muscles in order to keep himself in power?
Not really. I don't mind the violence, what gets to me is the reactions of people while they see loved ones suffer/die.
Interesting
>cut people shears out infront of a cheering crowd in order to.convince them that the sun was coming back
Don't think you're remembering it right, the sacrifices stopped during the eclipse, and the priest announced when it was over that it was a sign the god had been sated for now
Same difference.
The scene at the beginning of the village life with the weird fricking comedy was dogshit and the plot contrivance of them being saved by a solar eclipse was dumb, but otherwise the movie is great, I agree.
>the village life with the weird fricking comedy
Come on, the thing with them tricking him into rubbing pepper on his wiener was fricking hilarious
It was kinda funny, yes, but it felt completely out of place.
It humanised the main cast, you midwit.
Toning down the comedy wouldn't harm that process in any way whatsoever.
The thing with the burning dick and his mother in law nagging him about a grandchild is all the outright comedy I remember, honestly
It was just a typical establishment of what their daily lives were like, before that daily existence got extinguished for them, a ton of films do it, typically every "disaster" movie ever
Titanic wastes like 90 minutes establishing all the characters and "who they are"
Their daily lives was to play practical jokes on each other?
And those are the only parts I didn't like, I had nothing against the light banter they had previously or anything like that.
>Their daily lives was to play practical jokes on each other?
It was one plot thread, mainly establishing how they were ragging on that one guy for his as yet inability to produce a child
>And those are the only parts I didn't like
And that's fine, tastes vary, I personally didn't have any problem with it, especially since it's the only comedy like that in the movie
>It was kinda funny, yes, but it felt completely out of place
Jesus Christ this is some room temperature IQ. The scene is there to establish that even though these homies are naked and in the middle of the jungle they are just people living their lives. It's there for you to empathize with a culture that's very different from yours and to start thinking about these characters as exactly that instead of something out of a National Geographic documentary.
The movie had already established the things you mention before the dick joke even happened. Get a grip, homosexual.
>Get a grip, homosexual
I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history. Also clearly it didn't or a mental midget like you would not have been flabbergasted by the characters making a joke. People make jokes multiple times a day. Men that live, play or work together mess with each other as a joke all the time, it's so universally common that pretty much every culture even has a specific name for it. I don't even know why i have to explain this.
>ancient cultures living in the jungle made American Pie pranks and the whole village laughed
>maybe if i double down on being moronic they'll just assume i was merely pretending the whole time! Y-yes! That's it!
First day?
>I'm not the one making a whole thing out of the most innocuous scene in history.
You're the one shitting your pants because someone doesn't like a short, borderline irrelevant scene in a movie.
>samegayging
Now you really dipped into schizo territory
>I can't relate to these people, where are the Jackass-tier pranks?!
>"I don't like this scene, otherwise I think it's a great movie"
>WHY?!
>"I think the comedy is awkward and doesn't fit"
>literally can't stop posting about how upset he is over a different opinion and keeps spamming "midwit" and strawmen examples
>he still keeps going
>just accept that I keep insulting you over a difference in opinion
Stop spamming the thread, moron.
>be samegay schizo
>assume everyone else is on your level
Stop spamming the thread just because you don't like the opinion of someone else.
Cope.
Give it a fricking rest homie. It's over.
They weren't saved by the eclipse. They were being used as blood sacrifices in order to keep the king and priest in power. Once the eclipse happened they were disposed of. And that opening banter was to establish the difference between a small nature oriented community of families against the inhumane city life of power and corruption that dwells within the hearts of man and naturally foment itself into reality given enough time.and success. He'll thenopd guy even says that man has a hole.in him that cannot be filled when he tells the story of how humans acquired their wisdom and strength from the animals
If you haven't read the bible in Hebrew you're just a poser that doesn't believe in God.
i have 2 versions of bible (2nd is greek, not hebrew) and i dont believe in gods, however i believe in jesus, i believe he was inspirational man, i just dont believe in supernatural crap and wizard powers. im very interested in the way how the bible was formed, which tales were taken from where.
wizards and magic are real they're just not the harry potter disney halloween slop you've been psyoped into thinking it is
i m not even talking about harry potter shit. its more like same wizardy bullshit like norse or egyptian and greek mythology. however i know some bits of the bible are taken from egyptian books
>wizards and magic are real
Prove it. You can't. Stay on your containment board.
>i believe in jesus, i believe he was inspirational man, i just dont believe in supernatural crap and wizard powers
I can guarantee that you know absolutely nothing about the things that Jesus says in the Bible.
>you know absolutely nothing about the things that Jesus says in the Bible.
Given that none of it was written down until decades after he died and most of it wasn't written in the century he even lived, I doubt anyone knew what Jesus actually said after decades of the ancient telephone game
What part of "says in the Bible" did you not get? Obviously what is written in there is the only thing that matters, since we can't exactly interview Jesus right now.
>we can't exactly interview Jesus right now.
Why not?
Please, let's not derail this thread into a christcuck shitshow.
If you have nothing to add, back the frick off stupid fricking atheist.
I'm more interested where all these stories originate from. Jesus for sure was a real person, I believe this. However I also believe that some of stiries related to him are taken from Egyptian or Sumerian folklore. Remember that the bible was formed over centuries, and still some apocryphic texts were rejected from canon, even if they had some solid historical grounds.
We recently discovered 1000 years older version of Noah's ark tale from Sumerian texts. I believe this was inspiration for bible creators, they just changed some details.
>conflating OT and NT
It doesn't matter much, OT or NT were decided upon church. Some stories from OT are inspired by events that also inspired stories in NT. Remember, canon was created by the church, they decided what is OT and what is NT and what to exclude from canon.
These excluded texts, apocryphic texts, are mostly likely more believable than some canon texts.
really? you figured out all the secrets of the universe and have the definite answer in your watermelon sized head that could be made moronic by a single brick?
>you figured out all the secrets of the universe
literally not, i m interested in figuring things out, however its never enough
Meh
I wished more movies would be set in... NOT english
When I read that they did a version of Prey in whatever indian language I was stoked, until I learned it was a dub
I don't remember anything about this apart from the sacrifice scene
>rewatch 10+ year old movie
>see thread about it the next day
2000 might as well have been last week.
Hey Mel, if you're in this thread, would you make a period piece about the siege of alesia please and thanks. You did it with we were soldiers. I think you'd do a great job with alesia.
this movie would be a solid 7/10 but for some reason the ending with the boats make it a 10/10
and the last of them walking into the woods. IDK why but just true fricking kino
Sail ships at the end frick up the whole timeline. Are they Mayans or Aztecas? Either way these civilizations collapsed around 800-900 AD, maybe 1000 at best. Columbus reached america in 1492. We are talking about 500 years gap. It's not something that can be ignored.
dont care, just from the story standpoint its amazing, they were chasing this guy all through the forest, even killed their leader but as soon as they see big boat they drop what theyre doing and walk toward
Yeah, I get what you mean but from storytime makes zero sense. The movie is set at the collapse of Mayan empire which is dated somewhere around 800-900 and then there are ships from 1500s. Now either story is set 500 years after collapse of empire which doesn't make sense since we see fully functional empire, or for some reason there are CGI ships that arrived 500 years too early.
I don't even give a damn about Mayan or Aztec differences like some nerds like to point out these mistakes, they are more or less same shit for me but timeline is one big issue. It's not like few years or so, it's centuries difference. To visualize how out of place it is, I can say it's like putting Elvis Presley lookalikes in medieval era settings of Kingdom of Heaven. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look right to have Elvis coming out and performing rock and roll solo infornt of Saladin.
Nobody cares you fricking autist everyone knows the spanish killed all the aztecs like they was in the movie with guns
They killed Incas, because Aztecs and Mayans were long dead by the time Spanish came.
no it was aztecs
Guys, is this movie about Maya or Aztecas? I always confuse these.
It's a mix between the two. The movie isn't trying to be historically accurate.
aztecs
Hard to say. It's not historically accurate in any way, it's just turn your brain off kind of thing. I say 80% aztecs, with only bit of Mayan stuff.
Main hero and his village people are portrayed as Mayans, however they reach city which resembles aztecs. They look like aztecs, act like, they have aztec rituals, weapons and stuff. Blame distributors who for some reasons claim the movie is about Mayans:
>"As the Mayan kingdom faces its decline, a young man is taken on a perilous journey to a world ruled by fear and oppression"
This is from IMDb. Distibutors are moronic.
here's me doing it right now.
Columbus is only famous because he was the first European to reach America *and make it back*.
Various Amerindians reached the Old World way before Columbus reached them. Columbus himself mentioned an Inuit boat and its operators washing up in Ireland (iirc).
Plus all the apocrypha about Vikings traveling to Newfoundland.
>Plus all the apocrypha about Vikings traveling to Newfoundland.
The thought of vikings sailing across the oceans in one of their nutshells never ceases to amaze me.
It's not that important.
1) Big ships.
2) Sailed in summer.
3) Germanic country to America is not that long.
Ancient indian sailers went to Australia and the arctic. Far more impressive.
>zero wolf
such an odd name for an ancient warrior. you don't really think about how abstract the concept of "zero" is until it's used by an ancient society. some cultures even today don't seem to recognize the concept of categorizing something as nothing. if they don't have it it's just not on their minds. to know and use the word zero has serious implications on their development of logistics, math, science, etc. i know it's obviously a movie that mixes several hundred years of south american history together but the real aztecs/mayans were crazy advanced as well, so it makes me wonder if they had the concept of zero originally too. they were the first to discover rubber of course, as it's where it produces indigenously, makes me wonder what other crazy shit they had
not even going to go into their alien-tier architectural abilities to create stone molds out of some sort of ageless pour. seemingly every ancient advanced civilization had special concrete that lasts forever and now we have Black person-shackled bridges that can't even last as long as it took the government welfare program "construction workers" to build it
on topic though, yes it is one of the best movies of all time, top 20 easily. and i don't agree the opening scenes are purely for comedy and slice-of-life tribal exposition shit. i think a big part of it is actually the opposite of what one anon and it's more like mel is trying to display just how ALIEN they are. how what seems absurd and even violent and malicious to you is funny to them. their life is wildly different and the bar for comfort and peace are way, way lower than ours. similar to quest for fire. was it funny that ron perlman's caveman buddies for some reason loved to drop shit on his head and watch him bleed? frick no, it was horrible. but it was funny to them, and even funny to him. they wouldn't film the scene if it didn't have a purpose
>and i don't agree the opening scenes are purely for comedy and slice-of-life tribal exposition shit.
I never said that.
>t's more like mel is trying to display just how ALIEN they are. how what seems absurd and even violent and malicious to you is funny to them. their life is wildly different and the bar for comfort and peace are way, way lower than ours. similar to quest for fire. was it funny that ron perlman's caveman buddies for some reason loved to drop shit on his head and watch him bleed? frick no, it was horrible. but it was funny to them, and even funny to him
You are simply wrong and misinterpreted not just that scene but literally the whole movie. The movie is not depicting one culture and there are several scenes making it clear how the culture and especially violence of the city people is alien to the tribe the main characters belong to in turn. God this thread is something else...it's like Cinemaphile discussing video games kek
>everyone who has a different opinion than me is stupid
>starts crying about Cinemaphile out of nowhere
Go back to your favela, Black person.
Man i really have a talent for making subhumans perma-mad in 3 posts of less LMAO
>make extremely low quality posts and keep spamming the thread because you're butthurt
>lol lmao u mad?
Do you have ANYTHING besides crying like a b***h in your green text strawmans? Midwit implies at least some capacity for wit. Right now you're coming across as a fuming 12 year old.
Stop spamming the thread, moron.
Damn right, Mel Gibson is the king.
>Sail ships at the end frick up the whole timeline. Are they Mayans or Aztecas? Either way these civilizations collapsed around 800-900 AD, maybe 1000 at best. Columbus reached america in 1492. We are talking about 500 years gap. It's not something that can be ignored.
great movie,but still overrated nonetheless
What do we think about Hacksaw Ridge?
The real life story is better than the movie.
Solid 4/10.