About to watch this, but is it true that they depicted the "bad" guys so favorably that they had to scrap the show altogether before the viewer got funny ideas about if the actual good guys won the war or not? kek
About to watch this, but is it true that they depicted the "bad" guys so favorably that they had to scrap the show altogether before the viewer got fu...
Watch seasons 1 and 2 only
THe last seasons are when they go "oh wow the Nazis look too good here" and turns to garbage
yeah, can't have nuance with ideologues. not allowed.
the society was fine (some corruption at the top but not horrific) but only if you were racially pure. thats the whole point. people who thought it was a utopia are probably the people who's cheekbones were a little too low to pass inspection or had too much autism so they'd go right in the garbage.
>people who thought it was a utopia are probably the people who's cheekbones were a little too low to pass inspection or had too much autism so they'd go right in the garbage.
>This is what ews actually want Whites to believe
Pretty much, stop watching as soon as you finish S2
It's so funny because all you have to do to portray nazis as le bad is just portray them as nazis, but they go the extra mile and portrait them as a global power that developed the human race and technology faster than americans/soviets did in the last 80 years.
nazis le bad is just fictional propaganda. You can't imitate it with live human characters on screen without being absurd. Which is what happened when they tried that in later seasons.
>all you have to do to portray nazis as le bad is just portray them as nazis
How? History clearly proved them right.
Because a lot of people legit think that they didn't.
Funny show.
There's a scene where they show a school. Everyone is well behaved and white, the school and classrooms look absolutely pristine, the children sing the anthem everyday before class, flags are displayed.
Hollywood execs think this is a horrific dystopian nightmare, and they think you'll agree with it.
I can smell the shoe shine off this
>having a functioning institutions is bootlicking
>having your education ruined by misbehaving subhumans is freedom
moron
yeah its great till they find a genetic defect in one of the kids and send them to the ovens.
Muh ovens
Touch grass
but that actually happens in the show. the overgruppen guy's son had epilpsy or some shit and he turns himself in to be killed
>and he turns himself in to be killed
Do you genuinely believe they did anything like this in Germany during the 30s? Seriously anon, be honest. Why would they even need doctors then if they just killed any rando with a disease? Hitler, unlike Stalin, loved his own people.
I think it's an infinitely worse crime to kill your own people than strangers or subverters.
Stuff like this is so cartoonish which is why I don't believe 90% of the claims made against the Nazis
>People can't be that evil s-so it can't be real why would s-someone k-kill innocent people??
Frick off moron
Hahah amazing response. Cope harder baby brain.
im not talking about historical nazis. im explaining why the show wasnt some accidentally-too-based society. the price of all the nice things was that you had to be genetically pure.
>the price of all the nice things was that you had to be genetically pure.
They allowed people with 25% unpure blood.
that's always been the price. why do you think people used to have 8+ kids? so the shit ones can be more safely pruned
1930s Germany needed every body available for the impending battle against communism, which Hitler imagined as taking place across multiple decades with peace breaks in between so everybody could have a chance to go home and make babies. It's not inconceivable that with the war won and all the lebensraum in the world available, the nazis could turn to a proper eugenics program as the next step for the improvement of the nation.
The kids sent themselves to the gas chambers
>genetic defect in one of the kids and send them to the ovens.
I'm sure this ever happened in Germany during the 30s dude
im talking about the fictional universe of this tv
Most of the world were experimenting on/killing epileptics at the time you don't need to cope on this one
If most of the world was doing it, why was it wrong or what was so exceptional for Nazis to do it?
>I'm sure this ever happened in Germany during the 30s dude
Hitler had a war on autism, that's why I liked him so much
Is there a country on Earth that doesn't practice eugenics to some degree at the moment?
In any case, Smith's son sent himself to the ovens for the betterment of his country.
>Smith's son sent himself to the ovens for the betterment of his country.
no he didnt lol he did it for his dad. the government just spun it as him doing it for his country.
How dystopian. At least in this world where we have vaccines for kids that protect them from COVID, it's only rare when a child has an adverse reaction that potentially kills them.
you are the only person in this thread that still thinks about covid
>he thinks the vaccines are safe
Kind of like genetic testing dpne before birth and the baby getting aborted because it's not a female and the two parents which are both gay trans men in a poly relationship decide to abort it because raising a boy would be supporting the patriarchy, right?
That only happens in your mind, anon.
fake scenario, but a real scenario today is finding a kid playing with a doll, cut his pecker off.
this is the third time someone has brought up trannies unprovoked
That moron got himself killed in every timeline
Better than grooming them
All downies should be aborted
You see, this vision of how society should be is much better than anything leftism has to offer, however, it's not the best of all possible worlds to me. I like things a little rough around the edges and that's why NatSoc aesthetics and ideals are not my cup of tea. My ideal White society is a version of the 15th or 17th century Europe/America but with contemporary technology and medicine.
Everything Nazi/Jap is awesome, but the character stories are mediocre at best
And the ending is awful
>And the ending is awful
what exactly was it anyway, interdimensional rapefugees?
They cancelled it because they wimped out from having a nuclear war for some reason. So the characters just had to mill around for a couple extra seasons.
Sort of. The biggest flaw is that they focused on alternate dimension gayness rather than comfy alt-history. The novel does the same thing and has that same stupid ambiguous ending that all of Philip k Dick’s books do
I don't get why the Statue of Liberty would be destroyed.
It's not exclusively an American symbol.
It's a French government symbol that's a representation of a Greek-Roman goddess.
homie Lady Liberty is THE American symbol for a lot of people. They destroyed it because it was “reactionary” and a symbol of the old liberal pre-Nazi USA. Fascism is essentially a right-wing revolutionary force, it doesn’t sympathize with traditional things unless they’re useful to the revolution. It’s the equivalent of
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
Greek deities were key to fascist propaganda imagery.
Yes but representative of American liberal ideals, it’s not just a statue at face value.
Holy moronation!
have a nice day moron, the only reason they would have to take it down was if they knew about the gay as frick "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." inscription which was written by
SURPRISE!
A israeli woman that had written books about multi culturalism and communism, have a nice day homosexual
>It's not exclusively an American symbol.
It's peak americana along with the flag, baseball and apple pie. Literally the first thing europeen immigrants saw when they came to america, a symbol of liberty and the american dream.
I don't get why muricans think apple pie is this sort of iconic "American" thing. Pretty sure it's only them that believe that
The pie wasn't invented there, is popular in lots of countries... Why would it be specific to the US?
Because apples are very American. No, they didn't originate here but they thrived here and Americans utilized them in many different ways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed
British pie + American apples = American as apple pie
>British pie
I didn't think the limeys knew that you could make pies without sausage in them.
As lackluster as britbong cuisine is, they have contributed quite a lot in the dessert department.
>trying to reason with mutts
ngmi, the USA is an abominable shitheap in everyway and the only solution to it is lots and lots of cleansing
>t. seething europoor
White people are the only people to ever exist to actively work against their own interest. The magnitude of the israelites victory is incomprehensible
Kino coming thru
That's the power of media and propaganda, anon. I could get Israel to advocate for a Holocaust if I controlled their media.
2 most kino scenes
>Muh ovens
>Touch grass
It was just that the protagonists are so insufferable. Smith and Jap wizard's stories are much more interesting.
>Hey viewer! If you don't like the Black Communist Resistance you're a nazi sympathizer
Honestly, as a fascist I have no problem with the exceptional high iq black guy to join my ranks for the sake of the cause. Problem is, the bell curve dictates that 99% of blacks are more of a problem than they are of value
Shame there aren't fascist meritocracies, it always has to go on the genetic tangent.
My ideal is meritocratic fascism. Why would I exclude someone who's exceptional for the sake of an immutable characteristic? That's not rational at all.
Romans kinda had it, but your biggest chance of upheaval was either the disposable auxiliaries or somehow being educated when taken into slavery and working with that. Limited chances and options. Talking about slaves obviously, but even with proles it was similar, although getting into army or getting educated was still somewhat easier. Still not ideal. Sounds familiar actually.
>Romans kinda had it
Yes, you're actual right. It is also necessitated by the fact that their empired spanned the whole known world. Rome is a great example of what I'm talking about but on a planetary scale; and eventually galactic scale (Space Romans aka the Empire in Star Wars)
Although I view Rome as an aspiring ideal, my favorite society in all of history is ancient Greece. The Greeks were ultra nationalistic, which also meant that they suffered in terms of scale and they were on the defense a lot because of it
>it always has to go on the genetic tangent.
Multi-ethnic societies descend into chaos and fall apart very violently. Even Aristotle wrote about it. That's how long we've known it doesn't work.
>Shame there aren't fascist meritocracies, it always has to go on the genetic tangent.
Look into Brazilian Integralism. Even the original Italian fascism didn't put much of an emphasis on biological race until they were forced to by the Nazis eclipsing them and them becoming a glorified puppet of Germany.
cringe unblooded and unsoiled "fascist". literally just a communist at that point
How? like 98% of the population would still be white based on the bell curve. Exceptional people should gain the badge of honorary aryans
>white
it's not "white", it's your lineage. you keep that shit pure because when you do everyone gets nice and cooperative with each other because that's what's being selected for at the genetic level. you don't select for "whiteness", you select for genes.
so
frick the slavs
frick the italians
frick the french
and FRICK the british
>About to watch this, but is it true that they depicted the "bad" guys so favorably that they had to scrap the show altogether before the viewer got funny ideas about if the actual good guys won the war or not? kek
That's exactly what happened.
The USA was split into 2 between Japan and Germany.
Writers tried to make the bad Nazis horrible by having them burn "undesirables" (mentally ill and people born with disabilities). The Japanese expelled unfit minorities (Blacks and Mexicans) from the country.
But then people were like "Wow this story is pretty good though." and started talking about how clean and advanced Nazi society was. No homeless. Booming Economy. Nazi Jets with nuclear jet engines. No reliance on fossil fuels like oil and gas.
They said the Japanese enforced strict law and order. But the streets were clean.. No homeless, etc. Booming economy. Jobs for all.
The writers for the show went Apeshit on Twitter saying "THAT'S NOT HOW UOUR SUPPOSED TO LIKE THE SHOW. YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO CHEER FOR THE BAD GUYS".
Then the writers made Season 3 into a disaster. The Nazis and Japanese turn into idiots. Blacks form a rebel alliance and attack Japan. Japanese get scared and leave America. Nazis kill eachother out of nowhere.
The writers crashed and burned the TV show because they didn't like the fans rooting for the Axis powers to win.
>when youre so much of a sociopath that you dont understand "killing the undesireables" is the awful part
What an idiot.
You don't seem the to get that writers did such a poor job of making the antagonists relatable, sympathetic, or worth rooting for. That the audience would rather root for the Nazis than the main hero characters to win.
That's how much the writers failed.
Are you illiterate or something? Clueless chimpanzee.
This
>nooo you can't just kill the undesirables
>prove their point
Planned parenthood is a bit of s false comparison because it's not a eugenics thing but planned parenthood is fricking sociopathic too just in a different way. That's why half the country wants abortion banned.
>Planned Parenthood isn't a eugenics thing
The founder of Planned Parenthood was actually a pretty Nazi-tier psycho. She spoke extensively about how she would recreate humanity as "a race of thoroughbreds" once "undesirable weeds such as Black folks and catholics have been removed"
>pic
damn marge you look like an ugly man
Planned parenthood was litteraly founded by a eugenicist for that exact reason you absolute mong
>Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as theWashington Postnoted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations.
Actually she wanted blacks to be able to pick and choose better aspects of themselves in their children not annihilate them like it's thought to be. Either way, it's believed she only really pursued a eugenics policy on abortion so that she could push birth control to be legal.
Here's Planned Parenthood denouncing their own founder
>ACKSHAUALLY
>dosent say anything of value
Every time
>greentexts my point
>dismiss argument and doesn't even address any of my points.
kek, every time
>Sanger was so intent on her mission to advocate for birth control that she chose to align herself with ideologies and organizations that were explicitly ableist and white supremacist. In doing so, she undermined reproductive freedom and caused irreparable damage to the health and lives of generations of Black people, Latino people, Indigenous people, immigrants, people with disabilities, people with low incomes, and many others.
That's what I said, only they leave out the parts where she advocated eugenics as a way for non-whites to better themselves by highlighting productive qualities and not as a way of genocide.
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population
https://sangerpapers.wordpress.com/2010/11/page/2/
>“The idea in calling this Conference was to bring together not our old friends, the advocates of Birth Control, whose worth we know and whose courage has stood the test of opposition; but rather to bring together new people, with other ideas, the people who have been working in social agencies and in other groups for the same results as we, namely a better nation and the banishment of disease, misery, poverty, delinquency and crime.”
The last part I want to bring up is how she was against Nazism
>Not that NPR found. Sanger herself wrote in 1939 that she had joined the Anti-Nazi Committee "and gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany."
>She also said books of hers had been destroyed and that she had intellectual friends who were sent to concentration camps or put to death. Sanger did not have a connection to the Nazis, but a loose association comes through her involvement in the eugenics movement.
The Nazis took inspiration for many of their programs from the US after all.
>"killing the undesireables" is the awful part
Much better than what we do today: subsidize the undesirables to reproduce.
Isn't "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" the classic liberal/leftist manifesto? If in the reality of the show, the choice is shown to be between a degraded and miserable society that benefits a few criminals and morons (i.e. what we have in our timeline), or a happy and prosperous society that detriments a few criminals and morons, by this compassionate liberal metric isn't it the ethical thing to choose the latter?
what? no. literally no one has ever said that
yes.
stop watching when you finish s02.
the good guys won, the end.
IMO the writers didn't fail because they depicted the occupied USA as a utopia. They failed because they made the resistance characters boring. They were all pretty basic
>I want revenge
>I want freedom
That was pretty much it. The axis characters were just way more compelling. They provided an inside look at how the society was constructed from positions of power, and they themselves were not zealots for their nation. They were flawed, layered characters that developed over the course of the show.
The axis characters were also played by WAY better actors, so there's that to consider too. It's like you guys watched the show without audio or something.
Read the book and it read like some boomer American liberal that knows nothing about axis or European history making up pop-alt history
I put the book down after 30mins because the writer clearly had no background in what he was talking about. There's ironically hearts of iron modders that can write better historical fiction
I can only imagine what a trashfire the Netflix show is with how dumbed down and SJW tier it must be
>In The Man in the High Castle alternative history, Giuseppe Zangara assassinated President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt, in 1933, resulting in the continuation of the Great Depression and the policy of United States non-interventionism at the start of World War II in 1939. Therefore, American inaction allowed Nazi Germany to conquer and annex continental Europe and the Soviet Union into the Greater Germanic Reich.
>Technologically, the Nazis have drained the Mediterranean Sea for lebensraum and farmland, developed and used the hydrogen bomb, developed rockets for travelling throughout the world and into outer space, such as the colonization missions to the Moon, and to the planets Venus and Mars.
Lel, an american wrote this and it shows.
>show establishes that the younger generation are actual fanatical nazis. While the current American generation are either reluctant nazis or sold out to stay safe and gain power. With a few honestly believing it like George Rockwell
>show ends with some random black rebellion toppling the nazis even though 99% of all blacks have been killed
>America is supposed to just flip to democracy again even though the vast majority of the public are pro nazi because a bunch of minorities came through a portal for some reason
Even ignoring that...
Greater Germany proper. In Europe. Was still fine and had a ton of nukes. So it’s bizarre how the ending played out like it was a victory. In reality the Germans would nuke the shit out of America lol
Nukes were stationed in America. But we know from IRL it’s not a mere matter of having them in your territory. You need specific codes and men to launch them.
>take over central america but left mexico almost intact
lol
>Yokohama
But why? There's no military installation there.
>Hitler and Himmler were the good guy
Funny that.
I don't think we would of got Adam West Batman if the Nazis won.
Just read the book
Don't, the book is shit
>You've only had to live in Nazi America since 1945. We've been livin' in it since 1776.
Was this the most powerful piece of dialogue ever put to film?
they really said that?
Unironically where the frick is the claim that people started saying Nazism looks good even coming from? Can you guys back up with a source or something or is it just shit you guys came up with? I figured they canceled it and because they had shit ratings and ran out of money
Nazi America is shown as suburban americana, peaceful, pleasant, white families having barbecues while waving swastikas. Points are made about how crime is nonexistent, jobs are abundant. Space colonization is well underway in the 1960s, magnetic trains run everywhere, etc.
Also they frick up the Cold War 2 thing because they essentially make the Nazis the equivalent of the US, and the Japanese the equivalent of the Soviets, then go "wtf why are you sympathizing with the US." They have their own version of the Cuban Missile Crisis where the elderly Hitler actually fights to save the world from nuclear annihilation.
No I'm asking where is the proof that normies or fans of the show started seeing Nazism as good so that's why they canceled it and made season 3 shit. Where does that came from? Do you have screenshots of normies going "woah... Nazism doesn't look as bad as I thought."
Your post is a kafka trap, because if anyone said such a thing you would then counter that of course they weren't normies, they were extremist nazis all along.
>Kafka trap
Or I'm asking for a source on this claim that it got the show canceled? If it was so wide spread then clearly you should be able to produce a source. If it was that widespread then I can't reasonably make a counter point into saying it was just Nazis liking Nazism or whatever you think I'm going to do.
>I have no argument but this buzzword I learned from twitter
Lol you leftards get worse by the minute.
>About to watch this, but is it true that they depicted the "bad" guys so favorably that they had to scrap the show altogether before the viewer got funny ideas about if the actual good guys won the war or not? kek
Yes.
Do blacks that support white supremacy exist?