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Who's falling for this shit anyway? How did people get sucked into the new Ultimate comics? They're all bad.
>How did people get sucked into the new Ultimate comics?
Having Peter Parker married with kids is enough to do that.
I don't think DC really has anything that reaches that same level of desire and appeal.
I know Cinemaphile hates the franchise but unironically an Absolute Titans series about the fab five+NTT era with raising their kids to kick ass would probably do pretty well, assuming DC could put a half decent writer who knows the characters on it and not make it edgy. Every casual Titans fan I know mostly just wants TT03 characters having fun and being hot, and every actual comics Titans fan I know mostly just wants that era to grow the frick up and for their pairings to be canon (in addition to good writing).
I gotta admit, I barely understand what it even is.
I also never got why this side of the industry cares about “parallel universes with fresh new takes”. Just make a book with a cool take and story from interesting creators and don’t connect the books unless there’s a story to mine, in which case you connect those two books for that story.
They keep trying to force massive universes when the only thing that makes people want to expand a work is if it's good to begin with. Everyone can smell the insecurity and disingenuousness, because every single reboot is the equivalent of an industry plant.
It's catering to the LCS. If Marvel and DC each put out 10 books a month, they might actually attract a larger audience. Everything has to be a line with multiple books so the whales can keep the industry afloat. It's quantity over quality
Restate this point because I’m not sure if I’m getting this right? Don’t tell me you actually think if both companies only put out 10 books a month (which makes no sense given most have 4 wednesdays but whatever) they’ll sell more total?
Because if you mean each book will sell better that’s just woefully untrue but also doesn’t lead to more total revenue.
You’re blaming LCS as if the companies themselves don’t push ,as I’ve loads of shit out for their own revenue generation.
I think there's loads of blame to go around. But the number of books each month is a turnoff to a potential new customer coming in from other mediums. And for long time readers, more titles does not make for a better or more comprehensive reading experience.
The biggest obstacle now is distribution, but imagine 20 years you could pick up a Shonen Jump sized book that had all the marvel or DC books for that month. I think that would have had tremendous appeal
>but imagine 20 years you could pick up a Shonen Jump sized book that had all the marvel or DC books for that month
What does this even mean?
Less titles means less rvenue. Less revenue is untenable. And no you would not start reading a homosexual ass Tom Taylor or Zdarsky or tini Howard or Scott Snyder or Tom king or mark russel or on and on book just because there were less being sold. The consumer would just stop buying DC.
>What does this even mean?
The difference between buying ten 32 page books for $5 each versus buying one 320 page book for $10 or $20. This is a simplified example of how Shonen Jump works (and way less hassle to distribute on a large scale). The popular titles carry the less popular ones, while giving them more exposure to find an audience.
>Less titles means less rvenue. Less revenue is untenable.
It's the difference between going to a diner that has a huge menu and only some of the food is actually good versus going to McDonald's (which I find overall bland) that has a smaller, consistent menu that is the same in every location. It is true and I've been arguing the case that the direct market needs to have more books to survive, but this is the sign of how rotted and unsustainable that business model is. It's nothing anyone should be bragging about
Last year Action Comics did an anthology format, and while the third story was almost always pure trash, I liked the format and I can see American comic books as an anthology really working.
For the last time, anthologies don't sell.
DC does them all the time yet they all sell like shit. They even tried a Batfamily anthology and it still didn't sell and limped to 23 issues.
>The difference between buying ten 32 page books for $5 each versus buying one 320 page book for $10 or $20. This is a simplified example of how Shonen Jump works (and way less hassle to distribute on a large scale). The popular titles carry the less popular ones, while giving them more exposure to find an audience.
That price point is impossible to meet in the United States.
American comics used to be anthologies. They went away from them because they don’t sell.
>That price point is impossible to meet in the United States.
I originally said "imagine 20 years ago" because there was an American version of Shonen Jump that did quite well. They were offering a better value than American comics. Even today you can get a subscription to their app for like four bucks a month and get new chapters day and date versus going to Amazon and buying a single superhero book for $5.
>I originally said "imagine 20 years ago" because there was an American version of Shonen Jump that did quite well.
No you didn’t, I’d literally asked earlier because you specifically left out some of the words and just left it at “imagine 20”. and no there wasn’t. The anthologies they had were character specific and had tertiary characters in them.
NTA, but I think having a smaller amount of books where it's possible to buy all of them would encourage me to actually buy all of them.
Skybound's new Energon Universe will never have more than four books going at a time according to Kirkman. If you want to read every single book in the Energon Universe, you easily can. The new Ultimate Universe has three books now, four in June, and I'm buying all of them. I was super interested in Spider-Man, interested in X-Men, and I probably would've skipped Black Panther, but I figured why not, I'll just get them all.
When it comes to mainline Marvel or DC, it's impossible for most people to buy all of them, so people don't even try. If you had a smaller amount of comics, that would encourage more people to buy extra comics in order to read them all.
>NTA, but I think having a smaller amount of books where it's possible to buy all of them would encourage me to actually buy all of them.
I haven't seriously followed superhero comics since the age of Wizard, until House of X. I was buying the entire line digitally until the third year, and pirating since then. And even getting the books for free, following it all is such a slog. A line like that I think has enough good artists to support four or five good book. The relaunch this Summer has like nine books right off the bat. Too much filler, too many mediocre fill-in artists. But that's the way you have to sell books to the direct market.
That's a good example. I think an all killer no filler approach would be more beneficial. Have a small handful of books, and then if you're interested in like three, maybe you'll check out four or five just for the sake of completion. But with so many X titles, who really wants to buy all of them.
There's a story I read years ago that I could never find a source for, basically Martin Goodman finds a file cabinet stuffed with pages that were never printed. The story goes that Stan Lee had been commissioning pages he knew they couldn't print so that the artists could keep working. Whether or not it's true, it's a metaphor for how it's run today. In order to increase quality over quantity they would have to get rid of a lot of people.
Would anybody really have a problem with that? Instead of flooding stores with books that don't sell, maybe cut it down to your best creators, and give a real push to a smaller amount of books.
It would be more appealing to a mainstream audience, but would put LCS out of business. Marvel and DC are both content plantations for Hollywood at this point. To them, it's less risk to continue business as usual
>It would be more appealing to a mainstream audience, but would put LCS out of business.
If you have more people buying a smaller selection of comics, the money shouldn't really be much different.
>If you have more people buying a smaller selection of comics, the money shouldn't really be much different.
I think it could make more money, I've been arguing this for thirty years. But it's too late, there's no market for periodicals anymore, the editorial culture at both companies is made of fans and fans have preconceptions of how things are run. The entire point of LCS in the begining was a place to get issues you missed, since reprints and trades were uncommon. Now you can download an entire run of a book in minutes, or be a chad and buy an omnibus edition. My LCS is 10% funcopops. The whole thing is just rotted.
Yeah, the industry has many fundamental issues. I think it's possible to fix them, there's still interest in the history and lore of comic books even if there's not that much interest in actually reading them right now, but fixing it would take some real effort. And they'd HAVE to start selling them in more places. You can't get around that. And bring the prices down.
I used to think the direct market could be saved, but I realized I was looking at it backwards. There is always demand for comics, it just doesn't always look like a Marvel or DC book. Look at the manga boom, or young adult books like Captain Underpants. They are sold everywhere, compared to LCS. There is no reason for a talented creator to work within the system when they can make more money (and retain creative control) working outside of it.
Every publication used to have to print a little blurb saying what their circulation was. You could compare the newstand circulation of a book to what it did in the direct market, and the differences were staggering. If you combined newstand and direct sales together, Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog would have been a consistent top 10 book in the 90s.
I forgot my point: the direct business is such small potatoes, and the fans arguing over crumbs is pointless.
Maybe the comic shops could be saved if more people cared about comics in general. But I think there has to be a way to get hooked on comics outside of specialty stores. And I think it's prohibitively expensive if you want to read a bunch of them.
Distributing a physical product on a weekly basis all around the US is huge money sink. If the direct market had a huge audience it would make the problem worse. Korea has had huge success publishing digitally, but here you have to charge the same price whether the product is physical or digital.
There is room for something more successful and appealing that looks like the direct market, but the current system would have to crash and burn completely. It would ruin a lot of lives, it's not something I would wish to see. That's why it's better to think outside that box, find your audience another way, and let that system slowly die over the next 10-20 years. It's not worth worrying about.
Why don’t one of the Marvel and DC distributors partner with Amazon to do pull lists shipped through prime with a little discount for subscribers? I would definitely do that if it were an option
That is a great fricking idea and they absolutely should do something like that. I have no idea why they haven't done something like this already. Marvel and DC do have mail subscriptions but the shipping isn't great. Doing something through Amazon would be a great option.
That's not how corporations work.
Why wouldn’t it work? Even if I had to pay ‘$5’ for an add on to have the privilege of doing a pull list through Amazon, a 15-20% discount would still put me in the black on the deal, not to mention the convenience of having my books delivered in a mailer right to my door.
That would be huge for comics if they made that happen. Bad for the shops, but I don't see how the industry can survive without finding new ways for people to buy comics, and through Amazon would be perfect for a lot of people.
>Why wouldn’t it work?
Because they'd rather risk a loss than share profits.
It's a dark pattern. You're meant to sign up for $1/month and then forget about it. Bleeding money until you realize that you're paying $75/month for a service you're not using because you thought it was $1/month because you didn't read the grey text.
They share profits with comic shops.
No. They sell to comic shops. Just as a grosser sells to stores.
Okay, but that's still the shop getting half of the price of the comic.
If they manage to sell it. DC doesn't even do returns anymore.
>75 bucks
Wtf unless you publish some deep government elites secret im not paying for that shit
What are you envisioning?
The direct keeps comics alive not the other way around. Comics are mostly only sold in LCS because no other venues want them. If you can’t accept this fact you need to stop discussing the industry at all. You casuals add nothing to discussions by parroting this.
>Comics are mostly only sold in LCS because no other venues want them.
I think it's up to the publishers to figure out how to change this. If comics are to survive, I think you need to be able to impulse buy them the same way I might decide to get a KitKat when I'm buying groceries.
Anon do you really think they haven’t tried? I mean holy frick you galaxy brained morons live in fricking LaLa Land. Nobody WANTS a to sell in less venues.
They tried the Walmart collections, they’ve tried target grab bags. Up until a few years ago you could even find some floppies in book store magazine sections and airports.
I mean holy frick you idiots just keep saying the same shit with ZERO thought as to the solution.
>they just need to try harder
Fricking off yourself.
They need to try what they haven't before. They maybe need to offer the books at a better price they couldn't turn down. Maybe be willing to lose money for a while to build up a new audience. I don't know, but it can't continue the way it is for long.
X-Men #1 in the 90's sold over six million copies. Granted that was during the speculator boom and the variant covers. It will never get to those levels again. But to go from six million to the ~80,000 copies a month that Spider-Man and Batman do now, and to say "This is the absolute best the industry can possibly do" is just ridiculous.
>this business needs to lose money to make money
Lol
No. Try again. How do they fix it and this time make sure you don’t include the galaxy brained idea of “lose money”. Mind you, they do make profit still. It’s just laggard performance. No company can stomach a loss. A loss means you can’t cover futures overhead which means death.
You’re either 12 or a grown as moron.
So try again, this time less moronic.
Marvel and DC are part of the largest companies on earth. They can absolutely afford to try new things.
No, they cannot. Just tell me you don’t understand operating costs.
But I accept your concession.
>Marvel and DC are part of the largest companies on earth. They can absolutely afford to try new things.
This works against them doing something revolutionary. They can't take those risks.
Warner Bros (DC’s owner) is literally on the verge of bankruptcy. They are closing down multiple divisions and media in order to cut costs.
I did my part to keep them in business today.
>They've literally removed the price from the cover
Holy shit...
>I don’t buy floppies
It’s by the barcode strip you homosexual ass casual
It's just at the bottom.
5 dollars for one fricking issue is insane...
I agree. The price is definitely a problem.
>I did my part
The point is to avoid buying the slop and only spending your money on well written stories.
Because if you buy comics regardless of the quality of writing then the marketers will note that the quality doesn't matter. The books sell regardless, and so they won't care enough to spend money on hiring good writers.
I enjoy every series I bought today.
NTA but what DC ongoing comic that worth buying?
Batman/Superman, Superman, Green Lantern, Batman and Robin
DC has never had a comic worth reading.
why are you like this?
NTA but it’s true, DC has always sucked.
Currently? None. Which means that you should hold off with support them until they start writing good stuff again.
But it's an important part of the evolution of comics that bad comics shouldn't sell. So if you're supporting all Marvel comics or all DC comics then you're ruining those franchises in the long run. Because they'll write shittier and shittier stories and you will see a slow decline of popularity over time.
>So if you're supporting all Marvel comics
i bought marvel ultimate spider-man to support them and tradewaiting ultimate blackpanther and ultimate xmen
GL/GL War Journal. BoP, Zod.
Definetly not Spurrier's Flash and Hellblazer bc of shitty artists in middle of all his comics
Maybe Poison Ivy.
The galaxy brained take is to say "I don't know how something could be accomplished, so it's not possible."
>I don’t have to propose the solution… there just is one.
>like, say, lose money!
Also, don’t samegay it’s pathetic.
I think they should push mail subscriptions. It's super easy for the consumer. I subscribed to Spider-Man for the first time after playing the Spider-Man PlayStation game and just wanting more Spider-Man. It made me think there should've been a flyer in the game case to advertise that you can do that. That's what got me into comics originally.
They have them and you shills have been pushing it lately quite hard around here. They’re a terrible service though and the companies fear them growing too quickly because they consistently ship damaged and late product and that’s what ended up sinking heavy metal. If you don’t replace damaged copies people cancel subs and if you do you’ll eventually be forced to put things to a second print at a loss not based on new demand.
So they only tepidly push it in the hopes that they can sell the overstock. They’ll need to really improve packaging and shipping times to make it viable and reduce risk.
I agree with a lot of the problems you mentioned. I think there's only been one time where a book showed up in unacceptably bad condition for me, but I've heard other people saying that it's been a big problem for them. I would love if they could get here closer to release date in nicer packaging. Then again, the lower price is a huge part of the benefit. Being able to get 45% off a lot of ongoings is huge.
Oddly enough, sometimes I actually get comics before their release day. Don't know what causes that.
>Oddly enough, sometimes I actually get comics before their release day
I’ve literally never heard of that happening. I’ve only ever heard of them coming a week or two after release day.
They usually do arrive a week or two after, but sometimes they do come before release day. These two books showed up in my mailbox days ago, but they came out today. And this isn't the first time it's happened. Again it's very rare, but sometimes I do get them early for some reason.
You’re one of a kind anon.
Yeah I don't know how to explain it. But yes for the most part they do show up a week or two after release date, not even consistent, and yes I'd really prefer if the shipping was better, but you can't beat the ease or the price, so that's what I use for most of my big two comics.
They tell you when you sign up you're getting "readers copies" and if you need them in pristine condition to look elsewhere. I accept that they won't be in perfect shape, but they're good enough for me. Not a perfect service by any means.
Honestly as long as they’re open about them not being pristine it’s not the end of the world.
Yeah it's not a big deal to me, and you get such a big discount on them that I really don't mind it.
And yet Manga does all of that and sells just fine. And this model also works for comics in every single country where Marvel/DC don't give a shit and just let local distributors do whatever resulting in the infamous Slav Ratios where just putting a kiosk in the toy isle sells better percentagewise in shitholes like Poland than they do here in the US,
The only one of those they've actually done are blind aftermarket grabbags and those are always shoved into a random fricking side isle with maybe the trading cards next to the exit. That's why it doesn't work, people don't even realize they're there.
Why samegay?
>Comics are mostly only sold in LCS
Superhero comics, yes. If you are looking for words and pictures telling a story, you have many, more economically successful outlets. I'll wear my casual badge over being a fanboy who is high on their own supply
I said mostly because I’m not debating there are other formats dumbass. Why change the subject being discussed? The direct market is the topic I was replying to.
You said direct market keeps comics alive, I don't think that's true. Even narrowed down to superhero books, I think the direct market holds it back. Marvel Unlimited seems like a great deal until you realize you are three months behind everyone else.
>You said direct market keeps comics alive, I don't think that's true.
The direct market keeps big 2 comics alive. Jesus fricking Christ you pedantic frick stop playing a semantics game for no reason. Nobody is discussing scholastic or Viz.
Without the direct market guaranteeing 300K units per either company each month they wouldn’t have the operating cost to continue. OGNs represent too big of a financial risk which is why they don’t make all that many let alone with real art (read: not cheap, shitty children’s book artists).
>The direct market keeps big 2 comics alive.
I said I disagree, that the direct market holds them back and listed more successful publishers that are not bound to that system. I'm not being playing semantics, I'm saying the system is doomed to be niche for as long as it still exists.
And I said:
>Without the direct market guaranteeing 300K units per either company each month they wouldn’t have the operating cost to continue.
How do you propose they fix that?
Remember, if you’ve been following the thread,
>they should lose money
And
>they should just make graphic novels
Aren’t viable.
>I think the direct market holds it back
It’s the only release format that covers costs. It subsidizes trade releases.
Explain where they get that money without it.
And don’t say something dumb like the idiot above who said
>they should lose money
>It’s the only release format that covers costs. It subsidizes trade releases.
>Explain where they get that money without it.
The topic is "why is DC publishing some garbage?" My answer has remained, that the direct market is a shitty system. Saying "how can publish trades without releases single issues" is making my point. They don't release Stephen King novels one chapter at a time to subsidize the printing of the novel.
"They should lose money" they already are and have been for thirty years. Books in the top 20 now would have been canceled back then.
>They don't release Stephen King novels one chapter at a time to subsidize the printing of the novel.
This is like asking why ABC, NBC, CBS TV divisions don’t just start making feature films. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the business. They’re a weekly periodical publisher not a book publisher.
>they already are and have been for thirty years
No they aren’t. Making less profit than you’d like is not losing money. If they didn’t cover costs they’d be shuttered by their owners.
>They’re a weekly periodical publisher not a book publisher.
In 2024, that's a bad business to be in
>How do you propose they fix that?
I don't think they can. The changes to the business and surrounding culture would be so massive it would basically be a different model.
My afternoon has been
>The direct market is doomed
>OK, smart guy, but how would you fix it? Also you can't change anything
There’s literally no reason to discuss the topic when all you’re going to say is “it’s going to dieeeeee” or the analogous of “the soccer star needs to pick up a golf club if he wants to play until he’s 40”.
You’re a massive homosexual with an inflated sense of self worth.
>There’s literally no reason to discuss the topic
I gracefully accept your surrender
Peace out!
I accept your concession
>NTA, but I think having a smaller amount of books where it's possible to buy all of them would encourage me to actually buy all of them
No, it doesn’t. If you don’t like a creative team on one of them you aren’t just going to start buying it and if you don’t like a character you aren’t going to randomly start buying them just because there are less books. Plus it undoubtedly would lead to lower revenue overall.
So many of you clearly have never paid for comics and just throw moronic ideas around.
>No, it doesn’t. If you don’t like a creative team on one of them you aren’t just going to start buying it and if you don’t like a character you aren’t going to randomly start buying them just because there are less books.
Yes I will. I don't like Kelly Thompson very much, but I've enjoyed everything else from the Energon Universe and I've collected everything, so I'm going to give her Scarlett miniseries a chance.
1. You’d be the outlier.
2. Why waste ,only on something you’re not likely to enjoy
3. I don’t believe you’ve bought more than 6 comics in the last month.
1. You’d be the outlier.
Maybe but it worked on me.
2. Why waste ,only on something you’re not likely to enjoy
Because maybe I will and I want to give it a chance at least, since I like all the connected books.
3. I don’t believe you’ve bought more than 6 comics in the last month.
I buy many comic books, in a combination of mail subscriptions for Marvel and DC titles, a pull list at my LCS, mostly for Image books, and I buy trades/omnibuses from Amazon pretty regularly. I very much enjoy comics.
>can’t even green text
Honestly this is the biggest sign so far that you’re a shill
I forgot because I'm on mobile now. But I do enjoy comics and I'm going to go buy some later today.
I don’t believe you. You legit feel like you were sent here to shill and glean some market research.
I know comics aren't popular now, but it seems like every time I talk about buying comics people don't believe me. I truly enjoy diving into these worlds and following these characters from month to month. I am not deluded enough to think the industry is healthy, but I love comics and I buy them every week, and I wish more people also did.
You could easily post a picture of the comics you’ve bought in the last month. With a time/date stamp on a piece of paper of course.
Why do you assume I'm always at home?
I’m with the other anon this shit reeks of either a shill or a semi-sophisticated chat bot.
They're desperate
This DC shill just makes it more obvious he's a plant when he samegays in every DC related thread.
>not even announced, just vague “this is what I’ve been hearing” from comic rumor monger
>I gotta admit, I barely understand what it even is
This board isn’t well known for its intelligence, is it?
But SYNERGY SYNERGY SYNERGY EVENTS EVENTS EVENTS, have you ever considered that?
>I barely understand what it even is.
It's Earth One all over again, except it's an actual imprint that's all connected instead of unconnected OGNs that get shit out whenever the writer and DC feel like it.
I guess DC is hoping that third time's the charm since All Star collapsed just two titles in and Earth One came out too sporadically to reach to the heights they were expecting.
Funnily enough had they not caved to fans' demands on Wally, an Absolute Flash with married Wally with kids would've probably smashed. Now an Absolute Flash will probably just be Barry being a frick up some more.
The only way to save DC is to go full on kids. All the adult content is too autistic and twisted for anyone normal to enjoy. And adults who work on DC historically have zero self control and make some of the worst stories in fictional history. Tim to go full PG and stay there.
>The only way to save DC is to go full on kids
they tried and fricked that up too with their shitty kids graphic novel line. most of the people working in comics are morons who never grew out of their edgy teenager phase, so they are incapable of making comics for children.
>people working in comics are morons who never grew out of their edgy teenager phase
I can tell. Fricking morons with childhood trauma.
Mogs edgy DC
And when this fails, then what? The sales are still going to drop, they don’t have a group editors, books are still contradicting each other on insane levels, events are getting boring, inflation is rising…
Here are the pitches.
>Superman without his humanity to ground him
>Batman is a normal guy; no riches.
>Wonder Woman is a wonderer/explorer
Jason Aaron is on Superman, Scott on Batman, El Ewing on WW.
>DC putting a decent writer on Wonder Woman
>decent writer
You have brainrot.
>Here are the pitches.
>Superman without his humanity to ground him
>Batman is a normal guy; no riches.
>Wonder Woman is a wonderer/explorer
>Jason Aaron is on Superman, Scott on Batman, El Ewing on WW.
Wow. What boring premises.
>Superman but an butthole
Oh goody it's literally Ultimate Marvel: DC Edition or pretty much just New 52 Supes Part 2.
>Superman without his humanity to ground him
Sounds like a retread of Superman Earth One vol 1.
Except with Jason Aaron so it's going to go full schizo in scale.
>Superman but he's an butthole
Done so many times.
>Batman is a normal guy; no riches
This has been happening in the main comics since the whole Joker War thing a few years back.
>This has been happening in the main comics since the whole Joker War thing a few years back.
He doesn't lose his riches. He just never had them in the first place.
>He doesn't lose his riches. He just never had them in the first place.
Isn't that Batman 100 when Batman is some mexican with fake fangs in his mouth
>Batman is a normal guy; no riches.
DC Comics keeps trying to make Batman poor to appeal to Twitter homosexuals and breadtubers and it doesn’t work.
>Jason Aaron is on Superman, Scott on Batman, El Ewing on WW.
not a single good writer
FLOP COMICS STRIKES AGAIN
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>What people want
>Classic style stories of these characters they can get into with little baggage, with the possibility of building up a new continuity you can start with from scratch
>What you give them
>Gimmick variations people will inevitably stop caring about
Why is the first Ultimate Spider-man the only time it's actually been done(and even that eventually degraded into being it's own thing)?
>Batman is a normal guy; no riches.
I'll never get why writers love this concept. He's Batman. His superpower is money. No one wants Batman on a budget whether he's just moderatly rich like in main books now or working class like in this.
Because liberals complained that Batman was “White Privileged Male” that “hurts innocent criminals and mentally handicapped individuals instead of donating to charity”.
So DC Comics wants to appease them by making Batman less rich.
DC has zero actual plans for the future of DC comics except "keep selling DC comics".
There's no long narrative thread, no story progression, it builds to nothing. Legacy character after legacy character is illogically thrown in, for heroes who will never, ever retire, let alone grow old.
A different Bat-rogue will get his turn to "own Gotham". Somehow, Darkseid will return again. Some new ultra-cosmic menace will threaten the multi-multiverse. Superman will Superman harder than he's ever Superman'd before. Flash will run faster than the speedforce x the speedforce. There's no point or merit to any of it.
>Superman without his humanity
so the moronic butthole from New 52 whom Wonder Woman post character assassination in Identity Crisis fell in love with?
It’s probably the new 52 done right.
You could tell me each book is a dollar and I wouldn’t spend the money. Creators having more freedom is the last thing Big 2 comcis need, in fact it’s the exact opposite. Freedom gave us gay Jon, gay Tim, gay Alan, every king book, an ACAB/BLM batman event nobody bought, a warworld saga that went on for like 16 months that nobody bought, an even longer ram V detective run which functions as nothing more than a sleeping aid and which nobody bought. A Zdarsky Batman that is so bad it makes me miss king and a tini Howard run on catwoman that not one person in the entire world enjoys. Creators should have almost no freedom, these aren’t their characters. If they don’t like it go write indie shit even less people will buy.
Sadly DC can’t afford good editors anymore, especially after AT&T fired most of their good ones. DC can’t even find an editor for Batman.
The problem isn’t money it’s forcing people to move to Burbank and only wanting to hire people that are extreme leftists.
Why doesn’t DC Comics make a Batman equivalent to Ultimate Spider-Man where Batman is married and has kids with Catwoman? (Preferably not written by Tom King again). That way they can repair the reputation of BatCat that Tini Howard and Chip Zdarsky killed.
Does this project have anything to do with it? Apparently it's in continunity while also not. Just like this Absolute universe or whatever.
That Justice League art where the artist draws a new person on it every few days?
Yeah it's probably Absolute JL or World's Finest JL to go with World's Finest TT
>World's Finest JL
I would be overjoyed to buy this.
I am fricking howling at DC not taking the chance of making an imprint based off of World's Finest.
WF is already well liked, WFTT was a well liked spinoff title, and Waid has already introduced multiple characters that could get a World's Finest spinoff title, including multiple JL members, Supergirl, Batgirl, Doom Patrol, Robin, etc.
Instead DC is going to try to make another imprint under Snyder when every single imprint in the last decade except Black Label have all flopped and DC is probably going to force it into a crossover with main continuity within 2-3 years for a sales boost.
There was a really good Doom Patrol miniseries last year. I'd like more of that.
This shit was horrible though. Culver is fricking awful.
It was mid at best.
I also don't get why Waid's World's Finest isn't the new anchor that the DCU is built around.
They took him off Shazam, and I assume it's because he's going to be writing a more important book going forward. Probably Justice League.
Or they took him off Shazam because he's writing over 20 absolute power books.
Well that's fricking based then. I might actually be excited to read an event book.
The premise is fricking shit though and Waid also wrote Batman vs Robin, which was shit.
>I might actually be excited
This is the very definition of insanity. Falling for the same slop when it's been proven more than once to be shit from a company with an awful track record. Something is seriously wrong with you people.
The main problem with that is World's Finest is ambiguously/quasi canon via Nezha showing up in Batman vs Robin after being in World's Finest.
Waid is writing every issue of Absolute Power, including all the tie ins.
World's Finest is 100% canon. They made another reference to it in I think in either Superman or Detective Comics recently. But it's definitely meant to take place in the same universe as all the mainline DC titles.
Someone help a casual, are Waid and Mora being given power to expand their work in WF or not?
We don't know. WF Teen Titans is the only spinoff so far and there's been no announcement of any more.
Waid sucks, Snyder sucks, who cares
Honestly I swear I thought they were going to do a WF imprint. I would give all of the beans in Boston for Waid to be running the new Absolute line over Snyder
Every time I hear Scott Snyder I immediately think it's Zach Snyder and for a second I thought this was gonna be a comic book universe created by Zach Snyder
>Scott Snyder I immediately think it's Zach Snyder
Because no one actually cares about Scott other than a niche group of man children. Zack's name was plastered on a big screen, meanwhile Scott is stuck making shitty capeshit comics lol.
DC and success never mix.
I don't think DC has the talent needed to pull off anything that positive and ambitious. Like when is the last time anybody made a decent batman mystery or case to solve? Now imagine that plus needing to add the character growth/progression that people want from an "ultimate" DC line. I don't think they can do it
Snyder is very obviously getting the Batman book of the group and if he writes small scale shit again like Black Mirror it might be decent.
They should have Jeremy Adams write Flash again.
To answer OP, the difference between a hit and a flop in superhero comics is a very narrow margin. It keeps the machine limping along, that's all it has to do. What's on the cover is more important than what's inside. Nothing the fans argue about actually matters
All big 2 writers are ass. All of them. There are no good capeshit writers. They simply don't exist.
Superhero comics are so fricking moronic.
Or we all need to accept the fact that no one cares about the big 2 comics. They're dead in the water and will remain a niche content farm until death.
>NOOOOO WE HAVE TO CIRCLE JERK UNTIL WE ARE IN HOSPICE
Dead in the water would mean they aren’t turning a profit. They currently are. If they don’t for two straight fiscal quarters their respective owners absolutely would kill them.
>They currently are.
lol
>if I ignore reality it’s more fun
Now I accept your concession as well, moron.
You have autism?
>literally “no u”
Yikes lol
oof the damage on that black Panther is rough. 1 day old it’s not even a 7.5 lol
Every DC topic gets taken over by shills. What a sad time to be a fan of this schlock.
Dead Company
Will the direct market ever collapse?
Likely yes but not within the next ten years maybe more. Despite the kvetching, most companies do turn a profit.
>Likely yes but not within the next ten years maybe more.
America is going to taken over by Russia in that time period.
You’d see nuclear winter before a successful invasion of a nuclear equipped country. which I don’t rule out.
No one cares about capeshit so of course I’ll fail.
you guys think the comics industry is in a dire enough place that I can become a writer
No they only hire satanists.
No, the major problem with comics is they don’t hire anyone but people who have connections to the either the company or their parent companies or a book publisher so they can pay them less or thanks to advance money from said publisher subsidizing their costs.
If you don’t have a literary agent and don’t have a successful book already they will never even consider you.
Isn't Image basically just a self publisher?
When you start your DC circle jerk hate threads with the same image, we know its you. Aren't you some broke 3rd worlder who doesn't buy books anyway?
>Looks like the shills are back to samegayging.
>Absolute Comics
>The more "real" and "Gritty" ultimate style DC comics
>AC
>AC/DC
How did I only just now get this.
WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS?
WHY WHY WHY?
Didn't you see the articles and blog posts or watch the you tube videos? Or scroll through the incessant tik toks? Or retweet all the insider X's "knowledge?"
DC IS DEAD. It died two years ago. This is a ZOMBIE you all are chatting about, and it will be a ZOMBIE for years on end no matter how many more floppies or comic books or movies get put out. It's DEAD I TELL YOU. DEAD DEAD DEAD.
I know because I read it on 4chinz.
Why be an obvious samegay shill?
>DC shill
KWAB!
DC's losing streak continues
>Infinite Floptier
>Flop State
>Filler for Earth-3
>Trial of the LMAOzons
>Snooze War
>Mid Crisis on Infinite Earths
>Laxative Planet
>Yawn of DC
>Flop Terrors
>Batcat Boatstreet War
>Bloat World
>House of Barfniac
>Obsolete Power
>DC Fold
>Obsolete DC
Wonder Woman is a bad character.
If it is to have a ultimate DC, just use the White Knight universe and have Terry as Batman alongside Bruce mentoring Clark to be Human
White Knight is stupid.
I beg your pardon?
It's some silly not-TAS where Joker never actually killed a single person.
It's just Murphy's shitty DCAU fanfiction.