Now Minecraft YouTubers are getting comic series
https://deadline.com/2023/09/mrbeast-karl-jacobs-minecraft-youtuber-comics-series-time-traveler-tales-1235552628/
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Absolute State of Dark Horse
What even is the appeal of watching someone else play videogames like this? It's not like most of these people are even good at them or doing something vaguely interesting like a live translation of a Japan-only game or something, most of them are just unfunny morons who badly play the most basic b***h videogames out there and start screaming like morons.
It's a friend simulator for young children (and autists)
Literally everything you are doing on Cinemaphile right now is to simulate friends too. It's also why TV has TV personalities and news anchors etc. Our brains are made to enjoy beibg in the company of others. It drives everything you do. No one is free from this and it's not hard to understand.
I like watching pros play specific games at which I am not that good.
I don't even see the appeal in video games. They're children. It's just friendly/familiar noise.
You are on a board for children's cartoons
I only really watched youtubers who would play games I did not own yet.
it used to be you'd just watch them before buying a game to see if its your thing, but they they became parasocial simulators or whatever it's called
>tfw you don't even know who they are
Genuinely wonder if that shit even works. Every moron assumes that internet trends were equal to real life engagement but I doubt that even more than 0.5% of humanity know these people and knowing them doesn't necessarily mean that they think they are good writers either.
Never understood that either. When I was a kid I was nervous and bored when my friend was playing alone if my character died. It's something nobody wanted to do and if someone had told me that there are losers out there that prefer to watch someone else play a game I would assumed it must be a dumb girl.
Ok boomer
Boomer
The dude's friend's with one of the most popular youtubers on the planet, if he can't sell over 100k copies then the industry is fricked
Being friends/related to someone more successful does not automatically translate to profit
Only way this will reach 100k orders is if this guy decides to actually promote it on his channel and get his readers to order the comics
is this what it takes to write comics these days?
Cute boy at least.
Not sure if it will be any good though based on the first two pages.
why is manga outselling comics in the US?
Linear storylines that aren't full of crossovers and reboots + better storytelling (generally) + more interesting art + anime that act as advertising.
>better storytelling (generally)
Lol lmao, as a manga fan that's bullshit and both you and I know it
Nah, he's right, most comic stories are either shit or boring as frick.
The latter especially.
nta but that doesn't change the fact that 90% of manga stories are also just as bad
there are maybe 2 or 3 manga out there with actually good stories and even they fell off after a while
10% trumps the 0%
More affordable
Better availability
>Better availability
This is the biggest one. I can go on Amazon right now and any of the big-name manga are in print. You can get One Piece volume 3 for 10 bucks and Viz constantly keeps it in print. Those that aren't rarely go for much beyond MSRP, though there are exceptions. But if you want to read Post-Crisis Batman? Hellblazer? Waid's Flash? Ostrander Squad? Any Marvel Epic release? Better get ready to shell out big boy bucks because most volumes are out of print and scalpers have pounced. Frick random volumes of currently running runs are going for three times their price because they're out of print that quickly.
You're looking at why.
Lmao absolutely not people are sick of superheros, shit like this and dogman are the only shit that sells
Correction. Sick of Superhero shit made by DC and Marvel, and even then the feeling is not that mutual in the movies, at least until recently.
Self-contained stories that are not part of the same ultra multiverse clusterfrick. More creative freedom and fresher IPs instead of Spiderman #65410.
Yeah the lack of creative liberty fricks it the hardest.
I have read way too many comics with some good ideas or great characters that progressed and ended just the same way as always because of brand synergy and shit.
Everything's so fricking inbred. Japan has its fair share of slop too, but at least they still retain the practice of scouting and elevating promising manga. Many fail, but this system is still closer to the "anyone can make it" american dream than whatever the american comic industry does.
Yeah sure. Lots of japanese stories are crap for whole different reasons than comics, but since manga are basically one-man projects you always get something. Trends might be shit, society might be shit, but single creative minds and original writers will always exist. They just need the chance to make something others can see.
Manga also have proper distinctions regarding demographics and genres and there are multiple online libraries where you can filter and search for what you want and read the first chapters or volumes. I feel like comics need something like this. Not crap like those online readers they have. Getcomics is good for downloads but it's something else, I mean something like mangadex but for comics. To find the few good self-contained comics.
Personally, I think the problem is that most good artists and writers see that pay for comics is so low, they prefer to go into gaming or designing stuff for movies. That's why the industry is in the toilet, most good artists don't bother to do comics.
That's true. It's a chore and you have to draw a shitton of pictures every month and do that with a deadline. If your art is good and detailed it's a death sentence.
But then again there is not really a way out for this. Most comics don't sell that well and better payments would get even more of them cancelled even sooner, at least for original stuff, niche series and the likes, which is what people might be interested in if they dislike the big IPs (for good reason).
They promote their products
Series like I Hate Fairyland will neverget any attention outside of their niches because nobody bothers to promote them, even if you get the ocassional promotion, good luck with getting people, including fans, to be aware of it unless you get an adaptation that attracts normies.
Because every western piece of content that gets released is either there to demoralize you, or, if it gets popular, gets demoralization inserted into it. You can't trust western content creators. They're a ticking time bomb.
Customer goodwill
Customers respect Japanese and French comics because their creators don't hate their guts for disagreeing with them politically.
Not all series of course, but manga usually have a way, wayy more global appeal than comics, which are inherently US american. Be it oldschool political shit that involves the US military and the president always being right and better than the subhumans from other countries or be it modern series with their California antics that are again praising LA wokeness as the only way of life, you cannot read comics neutrally. Even "diverse" comics only know about black Americans, white Americans, Asian Americans and whatever Americans.
With BLAME, Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Made in Abyss or whatever it doesn't matter what culture you belong to, there is no "we > you" bullshit, it can be understood by everybody and it doesn't matter at all whether you are Russian, Indian or Irish because they stories transcend trends, borders and age. It's like how classic heroic tales of the past were talked about everywhere. Because they are stories about timeless human struggles. I have never met anybody that liked US comics besides some self-contained weird original series and it would be weird as shit if you could get into it if you aren't from there.
Ironically I've seen people here try to say that Japan is the one that struggles with stories that exist outside of their own culture, which is ironic considering how global the "manga community" is, as you noted.
But yea, American comics, no matter what people think, are always steeped in American cultural beliefs, behaviours, and values, which is generally off-putting to anyone who's not American and maybe Canadian.
...so I'm someone who actually watched the Dream SMP, which is what this whole thing is based on- it was a roleplay series using Minecraft as its medium of choice and it was...certainly a thing that exists. Karl's roleplay character was a time-traveller, which was about the only interesting thing about him. Seems like the comic isn't *exactly* set within the DSMP, but, what I'd guess, is a world that's very similar but has the character names and Minecraft-y elements changed, and "Oliver" is almost certainly gonna be exactly like Karl's roleplay character in all but name. Wonder if any of the other roleplay characters- or characters based on them- are gonna show up. Would be kinda neat to see Technoblade, or Slimecicle, or Philza- or characters based on them anyways- in an actual published comic book.
what
I'll try to explain what anon said:
>the youtuber behind this comic is famous for RPing with his friends in Minecraft
>the comic is going to be about the adventures of what is essentially an expy of the youtuber's RP character and its possibly set in a version of the MC world they play on but with the MC elements altered/removed
>anon is now wondering if expies of the RP characters of the youtuber's friends are going to make appearances in the comic
Yep. I won't lie- the Dream SMP is...not a very good roleplay series, and judging from Karl's performance in it, I don't have high hopes for the writing of the comic. There's some people from it who actually have a knack for storytelling, but he was NOT one of them.
>Absolute State of Dark Horse
It's Oregon. I used to live by the cute suburban main street with their headquarters.
What's truly pathetic is if these Youtubers were truly involved in this, and they had any idea of the actual state of the industry, they wouldn't even bother with going through an American comic publisher. There's almost nothing Dark Horse can offer them that they can't do better themselves, including promotion, printing, and hiring the right artists.
The only good thing Dark Horse has that individuals do not is bookstore distribution. You know, that place where manga is 1% of their output but 66% of their sales. Even then, there's no good argument for choosing a comic publisher over a real book publisher with a graphic novel imprint.
Let's be honest. Chances are this is not "Karl Jacob's comic." This is some random comic Dark Horse wanted to make, and they retrofit it and licensed his likeness to promote it.
>they wouldn't even bother with going through an American comic publisher.
Normally Minecraft YouTuber books are published by Scholastic, but now that Mojang changed their ToS to remove Minecraft branding from any fan works, I can see a YouTuber partnering with another publisher for legal reasons.
i think he's removing all the explicitly minecraft-y elements.
See
plus keep in mind Dark Horse has the Minecraft license (it's one of their top selling western books)
Why didn't you save it Cinemaphile?
see, this is great. Is there a reason they don't do more anthologies? I could even see something similar to Cheval Noir working as a showcase for euro artists and mangaka
Minecraft still pulls in big money. Not like Dark Horse has anything else going for it.
Well, they've got to try something new, but this ain't it.
At the SDCC 2023, Dark Horse admitted that manga was 1% of their total output, but 66% of their sales. Problem is there isn't a lot of quality manga to license nowadays since the big publishers Shuisha and Kodansha are translating their stuff themselves.
Dark Horse is dying, IDW is dead.
Dark Horse's non-manga books did better than Image's and Marvel's books last year on the Bookscan chart, and unlike the monthly comic charts, Bookscan is reporting stuff sold in bookstores
Do people claiming Dark Horse is dying not actually research this stuff
>Dark Horse's non-manga books did better than Image's and Marvel's books last year on the Bookscan chart
Really, show me this non-manga chart.
Because the bookscan chart includes Dark Horse's licensed manga sales, you dimwit. Manga sales is what keeps DH afloat.
https://www.comicsbeat.com/npd-bookscan-2022-graphic-novel-sales/
Dark Horse's manga and western titles from Bookscan are split into separate categories
But maybe if you weren't such an internet tough guy poser you'd know this
American comics as whole are dying and the sad thing is they'd still be dying even if they weren't killing itself with culture war bullshit. The industry has been jammed in neutral for 70 years at this point which has made it into the capeshit printing scene that it is now with seemingly no way out. You know it's bad when American comic authors would be better off working for Korean webtoon companies.
So what good stuff does Dark Horse still make? Looking for SF or horror in particular.
they do the Moebius library.
Yea he got the book because hes a big name but its going to sell. Cinemaphile loves capital except when it annoys them
Where is my FRICKING new Tha Mask comic, Dark prostitute?