According to Brian A Miller, Invader Zim was greenlit during a time when Nick was trying be more like Cartoon Network, and he felt that Zim would have been better off if it was on CN
According to Brian A Miller, Invader Zim was greenlit during a time when Nick was trying be more like Cartoon Network, and he felt that Zim would have...
He's right. Invader Zim is a Cartoon Network Show.
>in another universe, Invader Zim meets Billy and Mandy
kek
just imagine
Zim predates Billy and Mandy morons, by then CN only had 5 shows.
>Zim predates Billy and Mandy morons
Grim & Evil premiered in 2000, Zim was 2001
Wrong zoomer, it was August 2001. 2000 was the Big Pick pilot that got the show picked up. Zim pilot was from 1999 while the show premiered in March 2001, same day as FOP.
BTFO! Do some basic reseach next time.
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Erm, actually
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The Zim pilot wasn't pubically shown until 2004 with the DVD featurette, and it had Billy West playing Zim. Ipso facto Richard Horvitz was Billy before he was Zim. DEAL WITH IT
OK homosexual, your mom still resints you.
I'd rather be wrong about useless cartoon trivia than lack as much self awareness as you
who said anything about that, schizo?
I am talking about crossover stuff
Billy & Mandy predates KND, yet they still did a crossover.
Cel-animated Invader Zim would be wild
it is cel animated you dolt
It's digital ink and paint dipshit
Ladies, you're both homosexuals.
When Nick tried the "Nick doesn't cancel a show that is not as successful as Spongebob" challenge (impossible)
obsessed
Explain FOP
Always thought Nick was a channel for stupid normie kids who just wanted to be adults. Nickers only liked cartoons with booger fart humor. It's why all those dan schneider sitcoms got popular, because they were like teen/adult programming simulators for kids who wanted to be older. They idolized adult behavior so they thought live action was more mature than cartoons
I mean, yeah. CN would essentially have had two Billy And Mandy shows
Imagine Zim running as long as Billy and Mandy.
Eh, Nick always had a good variety of content, at least before the sponge.
Zim was fine on Nick, it was just too expensive.
Zim does feel way more like a Cartoon Cartoon.
This is true. Nickelodeon greenlit Invader ZIM because they wanted to build a block for the 9 to 14 demo. Then the block never happened, and Zim failed to capture the 6 to 11 demo that SpongeBob and FOP were getting.
It's still weird to me that Avatar was able to last 3 seasons, but not Zim. Both are more mature than the other stuff on the network.
and somehow zim merchandise never stopped being made
I'm 7/13 episodes into this show. It's pretty great, though I'm wondering if it gets any better or just stays like this the whole way a la Spongebob.
It's not too common for a show that only lasted two seasons on broadcast television to change much.
The movie from a couple years ago is certainly different. It's still great, though.
How many shows did Zim influence again?
steven universe and uhhhhm
panty & stocking
No, Gainax has always been up front that all their western influence is funneled through the works of Go Nagai.
Both wrong.
Drawn Together was cited as influence.
Japs don't watch western television. They'd get cooties from all the civilized human existence in it.
Drawn Together was the main inspiration but Chuck was literally just Gir
>Chuck
SNEED
Honestly I doubt it would have done well on CN.
Hell didn't one of the execs hate Billy and Mandy with a passion?
Yeah he called it the "hateful fart show" or something lol.
>According to Maxwell Atoms, Michael Ouweleen, who became an executive within Cartoon Network during the show's final season, publicly fired him during a meeting, dressing him down and accusing him of ruining the Cartoon Network brand with his "hateful fart cartoon," which is why Underfist was canceled after its pilot movie.
>which is why Underfist was canceled after its pilot movie.
And nothing of value was lost. Like we really needed more Fred Fred Burger.
I wanted more Hoss Delgado and Skarr, frick you homosexual
>new exec takes over
>wants to make his mark
>cancels all the big name projects associated with the old exec
>begins a bunch of new shit
tale as old as time
>Honestly I doubt it would have done well on CN. Hell didn't one of the execs hate Billy and Mandy with a passion?
Yeah and? It got six seasons and two movies.
Well, the show's budget would have been trimmed significantly, but it could've likely gotten more momentum and more seasons on CN. It's interesting imagining Zim as one of CN's 6-season-and-a-movie juggernauts like Billy and Mandy or KND. I dunno though. Would it even be the same show?
>Invader Zim part of the CN universe Pre-Live Action shake up.
>Fosters: A kid shows up with a Chickenfoot Imaginary friend.
>KND: They consider Dib and Gaz potential allies, but are so turned off by the formers insanity and Gaz's creepiness they avoid them.
>Billy & Mandy: Dib gets along well with Grim and Mandy, but finds it hard to relate to Billy. Gaz by contrast is the only one to really butt heads with Mandy and actually have a spine around her. She gets along with Billy because of love of terrible shows and video games, and Grim as well.
It could have been great. Imagine the Cartoon Network City Bumpers they could've done.
It would have been great for the CN universe but it would have arguably lasted just as long as when it was on Nick. The pre-2000's golden-era cartoons like PPG and Johnny Bravo got a handful of seasons and every one of them were resurrected with worse quality some time after 2000. A lot of shows that came out around Zim's time ran for a sesaon or two on CN and got the exact same fate. Robot Jones and a few others come to mind. I have no idea what the criteria is for the big ones coming back besides release date and popularity. I imagine someone wanted to bank on modern classics at that time before the switch to the tween demographic
Robot Jones did suck, though. They did an episode about the Rubick's Cube craze that happened Well before the time of any kids watching it. And beyond being out of touch, its protagonist was incapable of emoting because he was a robot.
The funniest thing in Underfist was when Hoss said "Yes Mommy" while cracking his fist; it cuts to the next scene, and those candy creatures just start exploding.
>Zim was going to kill Dib permanently in "Bad bad rubber piggy"
I wonder how the show could've continued without him if nick execs weren't baby morons, dib having more protagonism in later episodes and the movie was a mistake
>>Zim was going to kill Dib permanently in "Bad bad rubber piggy"
I looked this up and got this as a result.
>During this episode's commentary on the DVD Doom Doom Doom, Jhonen states that the original idea was for Zim to kill Dib permanently in this episode. After Dib's death, he wanted to replace Dib with a joke character, Louie. Squee was also supposed to be an option. Nickelodeon didn't allow killing in a children's show, though.
>Eric Trueheart would later explain in his book (The Medium-Sized Book of Zim Scripts: Vol 1: Pigs 'n' Waffles) that this was a joke on Jhonen's part, and that there was never any serious consideration towards killing off Dib.
but Dib IS a joke character
I once had a dream the Invader Zim pilot aired on CN as part of the What-A-Cartoon show, and the credits played this music:
>Nick was trying be more like Cartoon Network
Meaning?
Means Nick knew they were shit.