>accused of stealing even though you did not do it
>public defender tells you that pleading guilty will only be a 100 dollar fine but a guilty verdict will be 3 years in prison
>can not risk leaving your sick daughter without a father for 3 years
>plead guilty
>die from a fricking heart attack
Anyone who agrees with Kira is a weak-minded fool. L (and Near especially) were right about him. One man should not be able to decide if a person deserves the death penalty. There is a reason the legal system is so complex and not just "kill criminals until no more criminals exist."
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>moron
Every single time.
A smartphone is literally just a computer. What is the difference between posting on a phone and a desktop?
How do you even use a phone, I can’t use anything less than an iPad
Imagine not using both hands or type
You have no right to talk shit about anyone when you can "only" use an overpriced piece of shit, homosexual.
Sounds like a skill issue anon.
Motor skill issue.
Are you moronic for real?
availability you literal under aged child. I can tell youre an iphone kiddie moron just by your ignorance of the issue.
Computers have keyboards making posting much easier.
computers have higher IQ users behind it
what if you write
>username has hot steamy orgies with sexy girls and dies at the age of 90 due to heart failure
would that work?
No. It has to be something the person is actually capable of doing.
you can write that a stranger would hijack a bus you're riding in and kill you but can't write that a hot chick would come and suck you off and then kill you??
What if you kept writing "[Person] discovers cure for cancer, and then dies in a car accident after their work is published." And you did this for every victim of your Death Note.
Would you discover the cancer cure?
Kira won't go for shit robbers besides his first killing, he'll just kill high profile people and criminals first
If you try with all world population, stadistically is possible
>If you try with all world population
I want there to be a Death Note sequel about this very thing. A particularly motivated individual trying to use the Death Note as humanely as possible to try and push us forward by sacrificing an insane amount of people to advance science and medicine.
>A particularly motivated individual trying to use the Death Note as humanely as possible to try and push us forward by sacrificing an insane amount of people to advance science and medicine.
what is the covid & the vaxx
Imagine the debate it would cause, killing millions of innocent lives to advance technology.
Here's how I would do it:
>Death Note can completely control a person's actions for up to 23 days before their death.
>Pick 10 high profile names; billionaires, politicians, world leaders, or other people in positions of power
>Write that they spend 22 days secretly gathering all of the evidence they have of any crimes they've committed, and the crimes of others
>Conspiracies, state secrets, child trafficking, corruption, corporate wrongdoing, all the shit they try to hide
>On day 23 they all make their evidence as public as possible, on multiple platforms, both digital and physical
>And all die of a heart attack at the exact same moment.
>Wait several years for the dust to clear, see how many convictions there have been based on the evidence provided
>If the world has noticed and started making things better, do nothing
>If there have been a string of coverups, people fleeing justice, Esptein style "suicides", take action
>Pick another 10 names, should be plenty to choose from going off the last groups evidence
>Rinse and repeat until society starts to improve somewhat.
In total you'd only kill at most 10 innocent people, if somehow all of the first 10 names are themselves innocent. But after that you'd only be choosing high profile people that you know have committed crimes based on the evidence provided by the others.
Clean, efficient, and impossible to be caught because these are well known names, and they all die at the same time no matter where they are in the world.
Not a bad idea but Kira wanted to be some horribly god and rule the world with fear, if you didn’t listen to his unhinged monologue at the end of episode 1.
Yeah, for all his supposed genius he put his ego at a way higher priority than actually accomplishing his goal. If he'd just taken some time to think practically he never would have been a suspect to begin with.
there wouldn't have been a story. nobody would ever get caught. That's why he had the ego.
Yeah true, I'm not criticizing, the story works because Light is so unhinged.
>Esptein style "suicides"
Those are clearly the Death Note in action
Sounds like that iron man infinity gauntlet capes hit
then you die of a heart attack while Ryuk laughs his ass off at just how fricking stupid you are
The Death Note only allows for a limit of 53 days, I watch.
23
you need a face associated to a real name
the death note can only manipulate people for up to 2 months as far as I remember, you could theoretically write down one of these diseases that take decades to kill you and extend your life though
>you could theoretically write down one of these diseases that take decades to kill you and extend your life though
nope, if it can't realistically kill you within the given time limit you just die of heart attack instead
ACKSHUALLY there's a rule specifically about this
>If you write "dies from disease" and specify which disease but not a time of death, if the progression of the disease takes more than 24 days, the 23-Day rules will not take effect and the human will die at an appropriate time depending on the disease. However, rewriting the cause and/or details of death must be done within six minutes and 40 seconds: you cannot change the victim's time of death, however soon it may be.
Kira researched his victims as evidenced by the Misa plotline
Her family's killer was never found guilty but Kira executed him because he doesn't just rely on previous verdicts
Stop pulling this bullshit argument everytime
No he fricking didn't you moron. He mindlessly wrote names over and over like a scizo. He just watched news reports and read newspapers. He did not meticulously research every single name he came across. And he DEFINITELY killed at least 100,000 innocent people especially if they lived in racist parts of society and were POCs.
He did
Wrongful executions are never brought up, and Kira never killed innocents, this is never ever mentioned in the manga, because it didn't happen
This isn't even up for debate
>Kira never killed innocents
He killed an FBI agent and then his widow, two innocent people who committed no crimes except almost finding out his identity. He's a murderer.
>He killed an FBI agent and then his widow,
going after him
>going after him
So? They were innocent people investigating a crime, by what possible morality do they deserve the death sentence Kira gave them? He mudered at least two innocent people to protect himself, how is he different from any of the prisoners he killed?
The manga also mentions that he kills suspects, when he was doing the "I take a chip... and eat it!" scene he kills two people who are only suspected of robbery and bribery, not even convicted criminals. These people might have been innocent, but he didn't care.
Trying to divert the argument because you got BTFO. Nice try, but we were talking about wrongful convictions.
You said he never killed innocents, which is wrong. He killed many innocents throughout the course of the story.
>So?
So they were defending murderers and rapists
>They were innocent
Disagree
>scene he kills two people who are only suspected of robbery
Yep which is because of the observation
Again, just because he's being watched doesn't mean it's morally correct for him to kill innocent people who are only suspected of committing a crime. His desire to stay out of jail doesn't give him the moral right to kill innocent people any more than my desire for bread gives me the moral right to steal it. He's a criminal and a murderer.
>doesn't mean it's morally correct for him to kill innocent people
by opposing him they are guilty
>by opposing him they are guilty
No, he's a deluded psychopath that thinks being smart and having a magic book makes him an absolute moral authority. He is guilty of murder, and those opposing him are innocent.
>defending literal glowies
have a nice day
Well yeah it’s self defense. The two were hardly innocent. It isn’t like they were some innocent bystanders who happened to find out who Kira was. They willingly provoked him. What else was Light supposed to do? Just let himself get caught and turned in? They signed up for the job, they knew what they were getting themselves into. People keep citing Ray Penber and Naomi Misora as fricked up deaths but it just doesn’t work frankly. What Light did was self defense and the fact that people cite two people who willingly provoked Kira as the most fricked up light moment in the series and not the part where he almost killed his own sister is incredibly jarring to me.
But as the other poster said, Light wouldn’t have the cops on his ass if he didnt act like a frickwit and kill Lind L Taylor in the first place. He could have continued being an unknown entity for much longer, possibly forever if he didn’t have a god complex about it. The police and fbi deaths were avoidable and he is wholly guilty of murdering them as innocents. It’s like shooting somebody in a street fight you yourself instigated.
P.S Akiyama would have pushed Kira’s shit in.
>police and FBI
>innocents
>Well yeah it’s self defense
It's not self defense, not legally or morally. Killing a cop who's trying to arrest you isn't self defense, it's murder. He was being investigated for committing a crime, the people investigating him were not criminals, and he killed them to escape justice. Just like any random thief who shoots a cop or security guard trying to stop them. A cop killer. A scumbag. A murderer. Just because he used a supernatural book instead of a gun doesn't mean it's a different crime.
>cops arresting people
>justice
like how they arrest everyone trying to protest trans kids drag shows and enforce child molestation taking place at public libraries?
Doing the heart attack shit on the cop was dumb
I would have him get gunned down or killed by a car bomb as a red herring
This way they would start an investigation into organized crime, or just look for my nonexistant accomplices
With the police distracted i'd created another media circus so the news forgets me
>Scumbag politician kils himself with multiple shots to the back of the head
>Celebrity on the other side of the world dies in a tiger attack
>Deaths scheduled to happen outside my usual routine so i have an alibi
>Lay low for a while
>Stop killing or just stop the heart attacks
>Maybe come back once it's all forgotten or i can get the name of everyone investigating me
>Deaths scheduled to happen outside my usual routine so i have an alibi
Alternatively, all deaths occur at exactly the same moment, once a day or once a week at the exact same time. No random heart attacks, just a wave of death occuring regularly like clockwork. Every criminal huddled in fear, dreading that time coming around again, knowing the second the clock hits midnight (or whatever) their heart could just stop.
Maybe create some fall guys too
>Make them confesses my crimes and say they were part of a conspiracy
>the ''ringleader'' kills them with the alleged ''murder weapon'' (CIA heart attack gun)
>is arrested and dies yrying to escape
Then i take a break
Or start killing again
Maybe random methods to not arise suspicion
Or absurd shit like lightning, meteors and spontaneous combustion (No one will bother investigating it since it is impossible for a human to do that)
Yeah you’re not wrong but the crux of the whole thing was psyopping the world into believing he was God. Not to go undetected.
The god psyop might continue after the red herring closes the case
Really i think his biggest mistake was doing the heart attacks
If he did something more supernatural like what i mentioned police would not even look into it in the first place
>If he did something more supernatural
There are limits to what the book can do, like he experiments with writing that people die on the other side of the world from where they are, or "write down L's real name", stuff like that. They just die of a heart attack instead, the book can't make them do impossible things. Not sure if it could do natural disasters, it can control people but not sure it can call down lightning or meteors. Would be cool though.
If it can cause a heart attack, couldn't it cause an anurism, or cancer? It can control your biology.
>Or absurd shit like lightning, meteors and spontaneous combustion (No one will bother investigating it since it is impossible for a human to do that)
did you even watch the fricking show?
MAYBE you could kill a few people with lightning when it's raining
>le mass murderer was just defending himself so they deserved it
god, Light tards really are unbearable.
Look I don’t think Light is right or anything and It’s tragic that Ray Penber and Naomi Misora had died because of Light’s ego because of the whole Lind L. Tailor thing and the situation should’ve never happened, I agree with that. At the same time, what else was he supposed to do? We already know that Ryuk will kill Light should he get caught or whatever, so I can UNDERSTAND why he’d kill those two. I don’t agree with it, but I certainly get why he’d do it. It’s either his life or theirs.
Of course we all understand why he did it, but it's still murder. If a serial killer finds a cop snooping around the shed where he keeps all the bodies, killing that cop is a perfectly logical way for him to protect himself from prosecution, but it's still murder. It's still a guy killing a cop so he can keep getting away with crimes. To claim that Light is somehow morally right in killing those people is just wrong; he's a murderer who knowingly killed multiple innocent people.
I don’t think he’s morally right. I just don’t like how people treat Naomi and Raye’s deaths are the worst thing light ever did since that’s a pretty popular opinion amongst normie.
They’re literally innocent agents of the law, your resistance to resembling normal people isn’t an argument for why it should be overlooked, it’s just you saying you want to say something else to feel different
I don’t think it should be overlooked. I just don’t think it should be used as an example of Light’s most messed up deed when he’s done far worse.
>They’re literally innocent agents of the law
In this case they're more like enemy combatants.
>enemy combatants
Wrong, Light is one single criminal, not an enemy military or whatever. They weren't even trying to kill him, they wanted to arrest him, perfectly legal activity.
Nothing they were doing to catch Kira was legal. Did you notice they were a special coalition of secret agents after him? Like wiretapping Kira’s whole house.
>Like wiretapping Kira’s whole house.
Technically it was his father's house, and he consented. Not telling his kids was a dick move, but he can put cameras in his own house if he wants to.
>Light is one single criminal, not an enemy military or whatever.
None of that shit matters.
>They weren't even trying to kill him, they wanted to arrest him
Yes they did actually, not they themselves but L started that Kira would be put to death when he catches him. Also why do keep bringing up the law, Light doesn't care about the law he wants to implement his own law.
>light doesn’t care about the law
Right, which means he kills innocent cops for legally carrying out the law.
>which means he kills innocent cops for legally carrying out the law.
Again you keep bringing up the law when it doesn't matter.
It doesn’t matter to light, but it matters. He’s killing innocent lawful people for doing his same job of stopping criminals
>police are innocent
Their job involves escalation of violence up to homicide. They might be lawful on a good day but they arent innocent.
Non lethally investigating mass murder as an officer of the law is an innocent act
>installs secret surveillance camera in children's bathroom
uhh yep
Well I'm mostly talking about Light's perspective.
>for doing his same job of stopping criminals
No it's they don't have the same perspective on what the law should be.
Right, Light’s perspective is that of a self-justifying lone mass murderer who kills innocents for his own protection
Not unlike the government.
No they are a grandfathered in collective infrastructure
>Going after a killer can get me.. le killed?
What's your point here, that they knew the risks? It's still murder. Killing a cop to get away with a crime is still murder.
Oh no I just don’t like how people cry act like as if it was some dumb tragedy. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Especially since he willingly gave out his identity to light like an idiot. I’d be more sympathetic if his name was only discovered because of the shinigami eyes but nope. He sealed his fate like an idiot.
I don't think it's a tragedy, it's just an important example in the "Light was a good guy" argument. Killing people who "deserve to die" is one thing, killers and pedos and whatever yeah kill as many as you want, but killing a cop or an innocent widow to protect your own ass is scummy criminal behavior. People try to defend it as a moral choice for various reasons, but killing innocent people for your own agenda is immoral. Light's a murderer, not a hero.
That’s fair yeah.
>doesn't actually stop crime because he needs the media to tell him the names of every suspect in every crime in the world so the average homeless junkie in Detroit is never going to make the nightly news in Tokyo.
>But cops are now afraid to investigate crimes because that murder you're investigating? Well that might have been done by Kira and now your arteries have stopped working because he thought you might see his reflection in the corpse's eye or something.
Brilliant.
>He mudered at least two innocent people
>glowBlack person
>innocent
Yeah, what a gay
He should've made the widow one of hos harem
>fed
>innocent
holy kek
Innocent in a legal sense, as in not convicted of any crime. You could argue that Light should also kill all glowies, but it undercuts his moral stance a little bit.
>undercuts his moral stance
I believe it’s immoral to not slaughter them all right now.
That's your stance, but his stance is that he's on the side of the law and justice. Killing those specifically coming after him is allowed because he's now the moral authority of the world, but if he just started slaughtering government agents it'd go against his whole plan.
Maybe I just forgot the reasoning after all these years but what was the justification for killing the glowie following him again? Even if he got the other agents following other people around at the same time wouldn't that tip people off that it HAD to be one of the suspects they're following?
She investigated independently without clearance because she was investigating Penbar’s death personally as his lover
I meant Penbar and his associates but then I remembered that not all of them were following suspects, they were just assigned to a specific task force. Regardless, him dying while following a suspect only to have his wife die shortly after still should have been a huge red flag.
Near the end of the series, the fake kira was just following internet boards where people said "here is a photo of him, kill him kira." I felt that those were just kids who were bullied or just mean individuals who didn't deserve death, but kira at the time just went DELETE DELETE DELETE
>they never said he killed innocents, only that he killed as many convicted people as humanly possible, so he definitely didn’t
You’re stupid
>POCs
go back Black person
>killed at least 100,000 innocent people especially if they lived in racist parts of society and were POCs
>innocent
>POCs
Would you have killed all POCs at birth if you had the Death Note then?
what's a poc? is that a new slur for Black folk?
>And he DEFINITELY killed at least 100,000 innocent people especially if they lived in racist parts of society and were POCs.
WTF I love Death Note now
The majority of his victims were already in prison though, people who had already been tried and sentenced. Good chance many of the people he killed were innocent too, he doesn't actually know who's guilty of what, he just fully trusts the Japanese legal system.
That's the whole point, he's the son of a cop and is convinced the world is black and white, good or bad, innocent or guilty. There's no such thing as a good person who made one mistake, or a bad person who has changed and regrets their crimes, who might actually be rehabilitated and become a productive member of society after serving their sentence. There is only good or bad, and bad deserves to die.
>Good chance many of the people he killed were innocent too
how? in prison?
Investigating a serial killer isn't a punishable offense, moron.
>isn't a punishable offense
We taking morals not law
So you think people coming close to finding out you're a serial killer makes it morally correct to murder them?
If you believe what you're doing is justice, then yes, it's always morally correct to murder them, because they are attempting to pervert the course of justice by stopping you.
Just because you believe something hard enough doesn't make it true you delusional moron. It wasn't a righteous act that your parents backed out of the abortion for example.
You can wrongly believe what you’re doing is moral, stupid
You need to research the Japanese legal system, they have a 99% conviction rate and it's well known that they pressure people into "confessing" for crimes they didn't commit, many many such cases that the Japanese media tries to cover up. Even if only 1%, or 0.1% of the criminals were wrongly convicted (and it's likely to be much higher) that still means he executed hundreds or thousands of innocent people.
Not his frickup then
Summarily executing all convicted in a justice system that convicts innocents is a frickup, stupid
Yes it is idiot, he blindly trusts a legal system that is known to produce false confessions. He kills people based on the government's legal judgements without knowing or caring if they're correct.
IIRC just the fact that they were suspected of a crime, even if they didn't commit it, is itself an example of 'nail that sticks up get the hammer' and thus justifies imprisonment/punishment morally.
>There is only good or bad, and bad deserves to die.
Yes. The argument of reforming prisoners makes sense from a globohomosexual perspective, more tax payers = good. From the perspective of humanity, crime should be punished as a deterrent. There's no such thing as a good person who made one mistake, and there's no such thing as a bad person who should be forgiven because they're sorry.
>There's no such thing as a good person who made one mistake
When you get back to school, ask a teacher what the real world is like, only a child would say something this naive. You can go to jail for manslaughter, meaning if someone tries to rape your wife, you punch them, and they crack their head on the pavement, you can go to jail for killing someone even though you did nothing morally wrong. Even normal self defence isn't an automatic free pass, many people who were only trying to protect themselves have ended up in jail for accidentally taking a life.
>if someone tries to rape your wife, you punch them, and they crack their head on the pavement, you can go to jail for killing someone even though you did nothing morally wrong.
This is a weak example because in most cases you'd walk because the jury would lean hard into self defense and harder against rape.
>most cases
But not all cases. Meaning it can still happen, you can still be branded a criminal and spend time in jail for protecting your wife from assault. This is literally the opening plot of Con Air btw.
I'm saying most to be polite. You would walk. Pick a better example.
The same example but in Japan. Or how about someone accidentally hitting someone with their car and killing them ffs.
We could just go classical and ask if a man is a criminal for stealing bread for his sister and your starving nieces and nephews during a massive poverty.
What if it’s a Japanese court system with no stand your ground laws and no jury, just a judge methodically carrying out the case of manslaughter to a T
You'd probably still walk, because you'd have the rape victim's testimony and self defense is still an applicable defense in Japan.
I get that you just played Persona but please, try a little harder.
Oh you know why you’re right everyone in prison deserves to be killed. Easy. No problem guy man you’re smart
No I just want you to use a better example. I do agree that there is no perfect moral balance to using the book.
Okay then a Japanese court convicting someone for accidentally using excessive lethal force in a self defense situation not severe enough to exonerate manslaughter. Why ask me to do your thinking for you when you already agree these things happen
Because I think it's a bad example? I said that from the outset.
Well that’s too bad because you can literally get convicted for manslaughter in certain cases of self defense
Sure but I think better examples like false accusations of rape are also good.
It's not a bad example though, it's actually a perfect example. It's a crime that everyone agrees here shouldn't be a crime; killing someone to protect your own life or the life of your family shouldn't land you a criminal conviction. But sometimes it does. Not all the time, maybe not even most of the time, but sometimes it does happen. That's what makes it a good example. There are people in prison all over the world right at this moment who are only there because someone attacked them, or their family, and they accidentally killed the person responsible.
And if Kira was real, those men who were only trying to protect their loved ones could just randomly keel over at any moment, because Light happened to glance at their file and see that they killed someone. Morally we agree they shouldn't have even been there, but that doesn't matter to Kira because he kills criminals. If you can think of a better example let us know, but that seems perfect to me.
More people are put away on false charges of rape though, so something like fits better. I'm less interested in edge cases or My Cousin Vinny tier legal snafus.
>More people are put away on false charges of rape though
Do you have a source for this? This is surprising to me, I thought convictions for rape were way lower than the number of accusations, false or otherwise.
But yeah you could use the example of someone genuinely innocent of the crime they're convicted of, but I was talking about a "good person making a mistake", as in a generally good and law abiding person committing a crime because of their circumstances, i.e. wife attacked by a scumbag. Light doesn't seem to believe that a person like that might still be good and worthy of mercy, to him a criminal is a criminal and a killer is a killer.
Why don’t you stop demanding everyone only focus on your pet causes? Is your own anxiety over the #metoo movement really any reason to deny when people get charged in cases of self defense? Is it really sensible to try and disqualify those cases and ask everyone to ignore them just because you would rather talk about other convictions? Are you so fricking myopic you actually demand other people only talk about the false convictions that interest you?
go back to the kitchen, Karen
Man frick false rape accusations, you’d have been fine to just include them in the list of false convictions, but you’re so stupid about it you wanted to act like it was the only type
But isn't the world like 99 percent safer after Kira has been in power for a while? I haven't read the manga since high school but I think I remember Kira or one of the policemen mentioning that once or twice. You could chalk up those wrongful deaths as collateral cost since it'll only happen at the beginning (no more accidental imprisonments once crime rate goes down to near zero). I don't necessarily agree with this, but I can see the reasoning.
>The majority of his victims were already in prison though
Maybe half of them were at best and even then plenty of gangs are capable of operating within prison.
>he killed his girlfriends parents because she asked him to, that means he thoroughly researched some 1000 court histories in the first week he had the death note and 50,000 within a few months, and that he gave the most intimate care to all of his kills
Not at all, dude
Light didn't execute petty thieves. His first victim was a man who took a school full of children hostage, and the fact that his crimes were relatively LIGHT compared to the people Kira usually goes after was enough to tip L off that it was likely Kira's first killing.
when mikami makes light's side b***h say on live tv that kira will start killing lazy people light straight up thinks "you're going too fast they're not ready for that" he was completely deranged
In chapter 1 he literally starts thinking about killing his classmates for going out partying instead of studying
>checks comcast's list of customers that pirated something
oh shit homie
If this series was even slightly accurate, Light would of realised Black folk make up 12 percent of the population but are 41 percent of all the crimes of the societies they inhibit.
>Try to deathnote a nog
>Realize you only have his rapper name.
He was right on killing criminals (70% would be blacks, so that's a good thing)
But he was wrong in using the justice system and main stream media as a based for his judgments.
He wanted to be a God, but didn't realise he was getting played by a literal god. Imagine ryuk has been doing this for centuries just fricking with people.
The far bigger issue would be the general response. A man found shoplifting is likely to give himself up if he knows the punishment is only a fine or a few years in jail. A man who knows he will die if the police identify him is more likely to kill every single witness he sees.
>wow you’re killing all criminals huh, soon the only bad person left will be you
Fricking BASED Ryuk
>Kira
>bad
midwit Ryuk
People keep bringing this up but there’s really no indication that the criminals we’ve seen in the show do it for just that reason, or that these guys even exist.
>90% of the ones we do see are either comically evil or useful idiots like Wendy and Aiber
>Even the ONE criminal you argue doing it for good is STILL only doing it out of a sense of ego and gets an innocent involved anyway
I like death note but honestly part of me wishes we got to have that ‘good’ criminal character, like one who really does mean well.
Leave Kira to me!
Oh he knew but his intelligence was subordinate to his ego. No genius would never really make this bargain unless they had an understanding of what it it entailed. Light thought he knew. Hell if Light was a genius, we wouldn't have a show.
>he is sometimes wrong and can make mistakes ergo his entire plan is never right.
Better to let 1000 truly guilty men live endlessly in prison for tax purposes then to accidentally kill 1 innocent man huh?
Seems like a good argument until you realize that you or someone you know might be that 1 innocent man. Would you smile as they give you the lethal injection, content with the knowledge that even though you're innocent of the crimes they've convicted you for, at least the some other guys are also going to die? Or if your son was in that chair, sobbing and begging for mercy, would you look into his eyes and tell him "It's ok son, I know you're innocent but sometimes good people have to die for the system to keep working."?
The system should adapt to the death note
How? Light doesn't know who's guilty or innocent any more than the cops do, all he can do is make the executions more certain and potentially less painful, but innocent people are still going to be killed by it.
then the system declaring them guilty is to blame
And using the faulty system creates blame on Light too, duh. Not to mention the fact he’s created his own violent megalomaniacal system of total summary execution anyways so he’s really not just some innocent guy just living his life is he. Nothing about the justice system says they all have to be killed, that was Light’s idea
But he's using that system to make his executions. He's blindly trusting that anyone convicted of a crime deserves death even though he knows for a fact that many people are wrongly convicted. His dad's a cop and he's supposedly a genius; he knows that some of the names he's writing down are of innocent people, and he simply does not care.
>but what about xyz scenario where it's about you
Ok, let's say of those 1000 guilty guys who don't get executed, is a homicidal maniac
Said scumbag escapes or gets cleared because there is not enough evidence, he kills your family
Will you be happy because at least it stopped some innocent guy from dying?
I would absolutely not blame the justice system, the world or anyone for my family’s murderer not having been already summarily executed for prior lesser crimes that don’t beget the death sentence. I would be torn up and hate the guy, maybe have some problems with society in an abstract sense, but no I absolutely wouldn’t jump to ‘if they had just killed everyone in prison this guy wouldn’t have been able to do this’, that’s largely insane
>that’s largely insane
I think the most impressive thing about Death Note is how it pretty easily reveals who in society condone killing criminals on the whole.
It's like a more nuanced version of The Punisher for manga nerds instead of comic nerds specifically.
>kill bad world leaders and ceos
>world notices
>create a totalitarian shadow government as a result where the world leaders are puppets because they understand how the death note works
The premise of Death Note is interesting and unique and the emo aesthetics are kind of nostalgic, but the execution sucks. I've seen some of its fans claim that it is morally complex or a story of good intentions going wrong, but in actuality Light is completely deranged and evil right away. He declares himself a living god by the end of episode one and seems to relish killing innocent people before the first arc is even over. Fans also claim that Light is so brilliant, but he actually makes numerous mistakes when irl even a moderately intelligent person equipped with such godlike power could easily get away with it forever because the notion that someone is remotely controlling these heart attacks is just too fantastical to even consider. Then the final third of the show seems to be unanimously regarded as garbage. Most overrated anime ever and that's saying something.
That’s the point, it’s evil to summarily execute anyone and the only moral way to use the death note would be not to use it. Light is actually a narcissistic perfectionist who believes he is above all society and has resentment for people and any fun they might have because he’s jealous he chooses to work all day. He’s a psychological mess and that’s a big part of the story, it’s hilarious to me some people watch this show and buy his bullshit
>He’s a psychological mess and that’s a big part of the story, it’s hilarious to me some people watch this show and buy his bullshit
This, even Ryuk, a death god who kills people to feed on their life essence, realizes that Light is fricked in the head and he lucked out that such an entertaining person found the book.
>the show is stupid because it should be about how good it is to just kill people sometimes, they messed up by not making these murders good and by not showing how helpful it is to just kill people
Dumbass. He did basically stop crime in the show anyways
Don't forget that you don't have to give someone a heart attack. You can just have them an hero or something.
He claims to be fighting criminals but 90% of his efforts are spent trying to take out the cops that he himself baited into chasing him through being utterly unsubtle with his methods.
Light was right though
Yes, i am a chud
Listen. Buddy. I'm all for capital punishment in the right circumstances. But in a civilized society you shouldn't be executed for stealing. You should simply have a hand cut off like the old daus. Then execution if caught a second time.
>But in a civilized society you shouldn't be executed for stealing
You do realize that Light didn't go after every criminal.
Yeah he did lmao. They literally show he started with the more extreme crimes and then when those were weeded out he went for lower tier crimes and repeated. You know he killed 120,000 people in Japan, so you suppose that’s equal only to the amount of murderers and rapists in that time?
>Yeah he did lmao.
No he didn't lmao.
>They literally show he started with the more extreme crimes and then when those were weeded out he went for lower tier crimes and repeated.
They didn't show anything, Light simply stated that he started out with the worst but then moved on to other but there were still limits and was angry with Mikami when he punishment those he felt didn't deserve it.
This is from chapter 17, Light kills two *suspects* of bribery and robbery just to take suspicion off of himself. It never addresses if these two people were actually even guilty, but clearly Light wasn't too concerned about the whole "evil intent" thing.
Yes but that was something he did to take suspicion off himself, under those circumstances he would have no problem killing innocent but if he's just focused on changing the world then that's not the case.
It just means his sense of personal law includes killing innocent people for his own plans
So he's exactly like most other killers in that way. There are people they want to kill, and they have no problem killing unrelated innocent people who get in the way. Not a bastion of moral justice, just another killer.
Exactly, a murderer
No it means giving himself a free pass on these things should he ever need to kill innocent. Either way he typically has standards for who to kill and who not to kill.
Giving yourself a free pass to kill the innocent is being an unlawful murderer. Is it completely out of the question he is one?
I'm not saying he isn't a murderer I just think he doesn't go after minor criminals when he's trying to conduct justice but only when needs to for his schemes.
Says who? You know he killed 120,000 people in 5 years and Japan only convicted 853 people for murder last year. Do you think 24,000 is the number of criminals violent enough to need murdering in Japan per year?
Where exactly are you getting these numbers from?
The manga and the internet
>The manga
Where in the manga did they give such specific answers, because for as long as I can remember Light's death count was a subject of speculations.
I got the number by googling and the source turns out to be whatever this is https://deathnotefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Alternative_ending
Apparently it had an unknown author but hasn’t been confirmed or denied to be true by official sources. So maybe it’s bunk, wish it was clear in the actual manga
>fans claim that it is morally complex or a story of good intentions going wrong, but in actuality Light is completely deranged and evil right away.
The moral complexity comes from the fact that Light was able to stop wars and reduce crime rates by 70% so the only way to stop him was to risk starting wars and increasing global crime rates.
>Fans also claim that Light is so brilliant, but he actually makes numerous mistakes when irl even a moderately intelligent person equipped with such godlike power could easily get away with it forever because the notion that someone is remotely controlling these heart attacks is just too fantastical to even consider.
That's because idiots like yourself fail to understand the characters motivation and how he was compelled by boredom and ego to challenge his opponents in a risky cat and mouse chase instead of simply hiding himself.
Yeah light got the job done but he was evil, pretty decent transaction. He really is like a dark knight but that doesn’t mean he’s not super fricking evil. You just trade your soul and morality for reducing the crime rate. One doesn’t pay for the other, you just have both happen
>compelled by boredom and ego to challenge his opponents in a risky cat and mouse chase instead of simply hiding himself.
This is fanfiction, it's inaccurate. Light's only motivation was to remove crime from the world and set himself up as a silent, unknown God, he wasn't some thrill junkie getting off on almost being caught.
L getting so close to discovering him so quickly was because Light made mistakes, not because he wanted to lure L into some kind of game. Killing Lind L. Tailor was a genuine frickup, and he reacts with surprise and anger when he finds out L had set a trap for him. He was smart, but he was careless in the beginning and was too arrogant to assume anyone would be able to find him so quickly. Then he spends the rest of the story desperately trying to avoid being discovered,
>This is fanfiction, it's inaccurate
It's literally what he talked about in pic related.
That's not really what you said though, he isn't "compelled by ego and boredom", he just knows L will catch him if he doesn't take him out first. But the only reason L was able to narrow him down so quickly in the first place was because Light was sloppy and left too many clues. He wouldn't need to respond to L at all if he he wasn't already so close to finding him out.
>he isn't "compelled by ego and boredom"
Yes he is.
>he just knows L will catch him if he doesn't take him out first.
Did you even fricking read the page I posted? Ryuk asks Light why did he gave L hints about his identity and Light responds by saying "I want to find L and eliminate him, if all I do is hide the notebook I'm not going to find him am I"
I agree with your point but also consider that line another case of classic Light bargaining and coping in an attempt to seize control during a panic attack
>also consider that line another case of classic Light bargaining and coping in an attempt to seize control during a panic attack
But he only ever did that in the finale. Light didn't really have panic attacks, the pressure could get to him sure but if he was panicking in that situation he would have just gave up.
HAHAHA WHAT?! He reels in fear and terror and grips his head and starts sweating and screaming all the time, when he meets Ryuk and when he’s caught through Lind L Tailor before making up some megalomaniacal speech about his power, off the top of my head. Rewatch the show and apply some emotional awareness
>He reels in fear and terror and grips his head and starts sweating and screaming all the time
No he doesn't.
>when he meets Ryuk and when he’s caught through Lind L Tailor before making up some megalomaniacal speech about his power
The megalomaniacal speech came before he killed Lind L Tailor and was do to him power tripping not panicking. His reaction to getting duped was shock and little bit of nervousness but then he immediately accepted L challenge with gusto.
>Rewatch the show and apply some emotional awareness
Take your own advice.
He power trips in response to fear and terror, when meeting a demon and at risk of being caught. The final breakdown is just the only one where he can’t win against.
>He power trips in response to fear and terror, when meeting a demon
He didn't power trip when meeting Ryuk he simply told him that he was ready for anything but he was expecting there to be a price that he would have to pay for using the death note.
>and at risk of being caught.
No he was usually insulted by the idea of getting caught/played like when he got back home after meeting L for the first time.
> He didn't power trip when meeting Ryuk he simply told him that he was ready for anything but he was
He screams in terror and fear and then puts on a menacing face saying he has this all under control, has no fear of demons, and that he’s planning to become a God. That’s power tripping after a fear reaction, even if planned
> No he was usually insulted by the idea of getting caught/played like when he got back home after meeting L for the first time.
With Lind L Tailor he was power tripping thinking he was in control able to instantly win against who he thought was L, then L speaks on screen and he, yes is insulted by loss of control, but also has a fear reaction to loss of control. In this moment his self-image as an untouchable genius god is shattered, he begins to freak out, then he recovers his sense of godhood by quickly inventing a way he would still be in control. That’s an adrenaline reaction to the risk of being caught and tried as a non-god murderer. Do you really think Light is stable and calm the whole time? He goes into mania when his plans don’t work, and immediately turns that into megalomania recovering his sense of godhood with a new plan
>He screams in terror and fear and then puts on a menacing face saying he has this all under control
Yeah because he was jumpscared.
>has no fear of demons
He never said that, he only said that he was ready for anything.
>and that he’s planning to become a God.
That was a bit after Ryuk told him that there would be no price to pay for the death note and that he could use it all he wants.
Right, meaning he was scared by demon and only after learning he had not come to kill him does he assert control by claiming to become a God. Light has fears and concerns but he quickly settles them with planning and self-narrative. He literally has parasympathetic nervous system reactions to being fooled by L, that only subside when he rapidly reasserts himself as a genius and an untouchable God. Laughing maniacally announcing his Godhood to himself.
>he assert control by claiming to become a God.
He doesn't assert anything, there's nothing he has to assert in that situation. He's just talking to Ryuk freely.
>Light has fears and concerns but he quickly settles them with planning and self-narrative
Planning yes, self-narrative no.
>He literally has parasympathetic nervous system reactions to being fooled by L
He was nervous and angry.
>that only subside when he rapidly reasserts himself as a genius and an untouchable God
But that's not what happened in that scene at all.
> He doesn't assert anything
He tells Ryuk he plans to become a god, claiming you are or will be a god is an assertion, it’s a boast of control and power
> Planning yes, self-narrative no
In the exact panel you posted Light (and L too) is telling himself he is righteous, that’s self-narrative. A good amount of the dialogue is Light thinking to himself about who he is, and reminding himself who he thinks he is after being at risk.
> But that's not what happened in that scene at all.
He’s swearing an oath to succeed in killing the person who threatens his plot of godhood. He is boasting power and control to himself, or towards L as if he can hear him. ‘Oh frick I got fricked! They made a fool of me, shit this guy could unravel everything! Oh wait, I’m a powerful righteous genius, I will kill him!’, that’s panic towards a threat, resolved by a claim to power and being justice itself
> He was nervous and angry
Yeah, anxious over being caught and angry at being beaten by the law like a stupid criminal. Insecure and at risk, reacting physically, until he can recover his sense of safety and exceptional status by evolving his plot to use his genius to become a god.
>He tells Ryuk he plans to become a god, claiming you are or will be a god is an assertion, it’s a boast of control and power
No he's just talking to Ryuk and letting him know what he plans on doing with the death note.
>A good amount of the dialogue is Light thinking to himself about who he is, and reminding himself who he thinks he is after being at risk.
No he mainly talks about that when he's not facing any risks like when he's talking with Ryuk.
>He’s swearing an oath to succeed in killing the person who threatens his plot of godhood.
Yes
>He is boasting power and control to himself
No
>shit this guy could unravel everything
That was the only thing he wasn't concerned about at that time.
>anxious over being caught
Nervous about being caught off guard.
>and angry at being beaten by the law like a stupid criminal.
Angry that someone would challenge him, also L is not a member of the police so he wasn't beaten by the law but by a single individual.
How does any of this disqualify the fact that he trusts his risky position is tenable because he is a genius? His sense of genius is challenged giving him a seriously nervous reaction so he has to reassert his status as untouchable genius, to himself and in the invisible cat and mouse game he plays with L, to recover.
>His sense of genius is challenged giving him a seriously nervous reaction
He was more angry than nervous.
>so he has to reassert his status as untouchable genius
But all he did was claim that he's righteous (probably because he was still buthurt about being called evil) , he didn't reassure himself as a genius.
Anger at his plan and genius being undermined, threatening his operation, assuring himself he will kill this other smart guy using his genius. Light’s whole thing is he thinks he’s smart enough to pull this off, ‘I’m going to find and dispose of you if it’s the last thing I do’, even if also said by L, means I am smart enough to track you down. Both are vowing they are smart enough to catch the other
>threatening his operation
But the only reason L was a threat to Light was because he went out of his way to challenge L as seen
. If not for that Light could have just avoided L and be fine.
So? It still means he made himself vulnerable acting like a fool, and he asserts his invulnerability by asserting his genius
He didn't assert his genius but his righteousness.
And he swore to kill L, meaning beat him in a battle of wits.
So? L did that as well and it's not like he needed to take back control of the situation they were both just pumping themselves up.
Yeah, pumping themselves up, meaning asserting their power to themselves and confidence in their motivations and abilities. Though L has just made a successful move and Light was briefly on the back foot. Hence Light was briefly nervous over losing ground then recovers by asserting his ability to achieve victory
Ok fine but I still have a problem with this idea that this happens all the time when in most cases this is what Light's thoughts look like when in a stressful situation. The was no recovery by reassuring himself here or in most other risky situations.
both light and L are manchildren who get off showing how smart they are, neither of them are good people. Light spends the entire show jerking off in front of a mirror because how smart he is and how much he likes the thrill of being chased (the potato chip scene is literally just this), and the last third of the story isn't as good the first two but it's never terrible, it got butchered from the source material but the ending with light finally losing his shit and acting as the insane murderer he was all this time is kino
>Most overrated anime ever and that's saying something.
Pretty much
>There is a reason the legal system is so complex and not just "kill criminals until no more criminals exist."
Yeah, israelites and Protestants.
Are you guys joking about his innocence? Is this like the Jigsaw meme?
You have to remember, Cinemaphile is pretty moronic.
>Yyyyyyyeah objection, writing some chicken scratch in a notebook isn’t murder. Your honor, the prosecution’s case is based on hocus hocus and insanity.
>objection sustained
What am I being arrested for? Performing succulent calligraphy? This is democracy made manifest
I’m sure if Light went to trial he would have won the case/escaped/whatever but if Kira’s cover was blown so was his whole plan. Kira can’t be thought of as possibly just being some guy and not God.
It’d be a bit tricky but in the story they already were able to assign the supernatural killings to a person in the second episode of the show, they would figure it out
He'd never see a courtroom, he'd just be locked up somewhere or secretly executed by the government as a threat to national security.
His approach was dumb but killing innocents isn't the problem. In fact, the best use of the Death Note would be proactive. Killing innocent people that is on their way to become criminals. That way you'll be attacking specific lifestyles that turn people bad. Specifical beliefs that send people on a wrong path. Eventually people would stop living those lifestyles or thinking those ideas. That would be the real utopia.
What, like being poor? What’s the line here, what lifestyles predicate criminality
>I'm sorry, Edna. But because Jimmy was molested it's statistically proven he will likely become a molester himself. We have to put him down.
You don't get it
Killing innocents was acceptable, their deaths still contributed towards his goal
The main point was to get the entire world aware of the idea that
>you possibly did a crime?
>then you die
With the notion that universal awareness of this would eventually stop 99% of crime or even crime-adjacent behavior simply because people would be so fricking terrified of getting nuked by God for being le bad
This guy actually read through the manga. Kira pretty much says this outright later on that he doesn't really care about who lives and does, just that he gets to decide and that his goal of eliminating crime is carried out.
>doubting Kira
Wrong decision.
I bet all of you woke israelites trying to ruin my Death Note loved the live action Black person version.
kek ironically I think you're the first person to mention it anon
I only read the manga, but light was a c**t, the way he treated misa, and his highschool ex kiyomi who he burned to death.
The current system is already leading to lots of killings of innocent people by being so ineffective. Light's methods led to the deaths of some innocents, yes, but it actually worked. It led to crime dropping off massively, 70 percent less crime in seven years. More innocents would have died if Light Yagami didn't start using the Death Note.
But now we're under a totalitarian regime where all transgressions are punished by death. Nobody is happy and everyone lives in fear.
>Nobody is happy
[citation needed]
>everyone lives in fear.
Only if they want to commit crimes, normal people feel safe
Have you ever heard the term:
>Find me the man and I'll find the crime.
No and it's not what happens in the story
People are safer since crime is down
You are much more likely to get killed by criminals in our world than to get killed by Light in the manga (I think he only killed a thousand people in the entirety of the manga)
You clearly don't know anything about the Manga, or anything else, really.
>I think
You made it up
>70 percent less crime
No, 70 percent less reported crime. No one's going to call the cops when they know even being a suspect can get you killed by an invisible psychopath.
>Kira is a better world leader than globohomo
Well yeah no fricking shit. Mojo Jojo would be a better world leader than globohomo.
I read the manga after the anime I was surprised by how much bettervthe anime is, this kino scene wasn't even in the manga and they cut most of the inferior 2nd half
What the frick was this? I was a manga reader and despised what they did with the anime, shit like this and long Misa scenes with gay music. But really, what the frick was this scene?
pandering to fujos
Kino Bible reference.
Jesus and Judas you pleb
>It's good because le bible symbolism
No.
Light was a fricking idiot, any sane person would use it to play Minecraft.
>Why yes I did perfectly replace the entire Death Note in 5 minutes how could you tell?
What a dumb ending.
Also white haired L was a silly character I wonder if anyone likes him.
his homosexual mate who was always dramatically eating chocolate was way worse. Honestly everything after L dies is a complete abortion anyway so who cares.
Ohh uhh, just one more thing Mr. Yagami...
Light didn't kill anyone, he just gave them a choice
>i see no problem with the government punishing people by life sentence or execution after a judicial process.
>NOOOO KIRA CANT DO THE SAME THING AFTRR THE EXACT SAME PROCESS
>ITS OK FOR A GOVERNMENT TO THOUGH... BECAUSE REASONS..?
>BECAUSE I PAY TAXES AND SHIEEET
Light apologists on Cinemaphile don't seem to realize that half of Cinemaphile would be wiped out, because Light was eventually going to start killing off "lazy people". It's a slippery slope and an egotistical manchild like Light with free rein would go off the deep end and start killing people off for the slightest things.
But how would he know my name if I'm Anonymous?
>Start controlling people with internet information
>Have them send you the data
I mean, you really think Light isn't going to spread his network and find out everything?
Kills us all in one stroke, writing ‘Anon’
Kira isn’t a good guy the way Heisenberg or Tony Soprano are good guys. Kira ultimately just wanted to be God and play high stakes wargames with L. That said I am team Kira but he’s definitely just evil/unhinged and sees himself as above everyone else that need his saving. Maybe it comes from some misplaced moral good but it boils down to “You are disgusting, I’m not, therefore you die because I say.” Kira thought that he was in the right no matter what BECAUSE he believed himself to be above everyone else, so he was evil for that definitely at least.
Heisenberg and Tony aren’t good guys
THOUGHBEIT thouever we are posting on Cinemaphile dot com and in that context I said Tony and Heisenberg because like Kira they are part of the “he did nothing wrong” squad.
>Kira isn’t a good guy the way Heisenberg or Tony Soprano are good guys
>walter white
>tony soprano
>good guys
one thing I really like about the show are the shinigamis, they're just bored fricks with nothing better to do than watch humanity like if it was some sort of giant reality show, ryuk not giving a frick about anyone and just being there to have fun and being 100% honest about it from day 1 felt really refreshing compared to the more generic "you don't know if you can trust me hehe"
I want another followup series, but this time the protagonist wants to larp as the devil instead of god and just throw the world into chaos through high-profile assassinations.
The show is very unrealistic Japan is the closest thing to a utopia. He should've been adding names from the US nonstop.
That’s the thing, he is so fricking strict he’s purging fricking Japan lmao. From the beginning you can tell he holds irrational resentment that people are allowed to do anything but study and work, because all he does is study and work. Chapter 1 he thinks about killing his classmates for partying instead of studying, the guy is just seething people have lives outside of laboring for personal excellence
Main character wins, the author tacks on a shitty ending with new super genius out his ass who catches Light. The frick was that dogshit. Why would you carry on after L.
the show cut out like half of everything that happens after L dies, the reason near and mello feel so incomplete is because almost every scene where they shine was either shortened, changed or cut out completely. There is an entire arc with mello and light manipulating the us president that just isn't in the show, or near's reasoning as to why mikami must be kira, it was probably budget constraints but with 10 more episodes the later half of death note would be much better
I thought it was hilarious the way they pulled out two more genius young orphan detectives from the academy for genius young orphan detectives
*10 less episodes
they had no idea what to do with matt so they ventilated him
?t=27
did he deserve that epic of a death?
>There is a reason the legal system is so complex
Life in prison for filming somebody else shoot Ahmaud Arbery for grabbing his shotgun. The system we live under is worse than a benevolent dictator.
>filming
Those redneck morons are white Black folk, why would you film yourself chasing someone especially filming his death. Should've used that white IQ and destroy the tape and make up a story like a normal whiteman. They could make up any lie and they would be good. Nope idiot hands in the tape.
The tape would have exonerated them in a sane world.
Im pretty sure Kira did not kill people doing petty crimes like stealing, it's shit like murder, rape, political corruption, selling drugs is what he mainly targets
Death note is the embodiment of Psychopath Vs Schizo
L was right about Light but the investigation team was on Light's side all the time. Hell, even the universe was on his side giving him a woman with another death note and satanic eyes together with a simp troon shinigami. Schizosisters lost.
It’s really an amazing work. The theme of false identity and aliases rhymes all over like poetry
he would be the perfect light
Anyone who defends Light is either an actual teenager or forever stuck at that stage mentally. This has been common knowledge ever since the manga ended.
You have to first understand the meaning of this page before talking about Light as a person. I'm not going to spoonfeed you morons what is happening in this page or the meaning behind it. People who understands, understands.
You sure you don’t want to help me out a bit here? His narcissistic perfectionism stems from his mother’s pride over it?
A mother waiting for his son's national exam results and not even asking him "How was your day?" is never a good thing. People think that Light's boredom at the first episode is coming from his narcissism. But that's not true. He is bored because he never done anything true to himself, never for himself. Light saw himself as a "tool" to do "what expected from him"
Look at the picrel. This is a man who guessed that book is something otherworldly and he was ready to be eternally punished for it. This is not how narcissistic people operates. Remember his lines at the first episode after killing the dudes who tried to rape a girl. "Only I can do it, others can not" This is because he thinks he is the best tool to do what needs to be done. We, people who live in western culture, don't understand how oppressive asian culture is towards people, especially children. I'm not saying that Kira was a good guy but asian culture and their family structure is fricked up. Most people in japan don't even hug their family. Never hugged by their parents etc. I know anons will laugh at this but it's the truth.
Oh yeah the story is hugely about how pressurized and isolated Japanese people become due to a cultural demand for people to fit the absolute highest infrastructures flawlessly. My second read was so fun, looking at this
This motherfricker eats one bag of potato chips as his ‘treat’ for the entire day and feels the need to explain to his mom why he has a bag of chips. Sure he’s trying to create an alibi as the bag is an accessory for murder, but she actually remarks on seeing her son with chips and approves saying it’s because he’s such a good student it’s fine, as if without that eating one bag of chips is a vice
Okay, maybe you aren't as stupid as I thought, but it was already established in the series that the Death Note warps people into something ugly. When Light loses his memories, it was shown that he wasn't as huge a shithead as he transformed to. I think the overall moral for Light's character, aside from any social commentary regarding Asian culture, is that absolute power corrupts absolutely and people with good intentions can go horribly astray.
>Death Note warps people into something ugly.
Exactly. Look at this post
Light was basically Japan's Aristotelian Tragic Hero
>Aristotle's tragic heroes are flawed individuals who commit, without evil intent, great wrongs or injuries that ultimately lead to their misfortune, often followed by tragic realization of the true nature of events that led to this destiny.[3] This means the hero still must be – to some degree – morally grounded. The usual irony in Greek tragedy is that the hero is both extraordinarily capable and highly moral (in the Greek honor-culture sense of being duty-bound to moral expectations), and it is these exact, highly-admirable qualities that lead the hero into tragic circumstances. The tragic hero is snared by his own greatness: extraordinary competence, a righteous passion for duty, and (often) the arrogance associated with greatness (hubris).
Can you not be a douche and just have the discussion? Is it because he’s so blasé and bored about perfect scores on all his gigagenius exams and also doesn’t give a frick about his mother’s praise, or?
Dunning-Kruger effect: The Post. It's an inconsequential page that at best shows Light as a bored genius.
For me it’s his resentment that people get to be happy without spending their entire life studying and working as per his own expectation for excellence possibly inherited through his stickler chief of police father. Basically he’s ‘smart’ enough to know work and focus is the only engine of productivity in this world and he fricking hates anyone who doesn’t hold themselves to that standard as highly as him
I don't think resentment theory has legs. As I said before, we are looking through our western lens. He is not a some nerd with excellent grades. Light was a total rockstar in Japan. He could drown himself in pussy. Good at sports, good at classes, extremely good looking. People (men and women) always tried to hang out with him. And it's heavily implied that he doesn't needed to work that hard to be n1 in japan. The thing is, if you don't see yourself as a person, you will neglect the things a normal human being would enjoy. You don't need them because you're not a person. You're a tool. And a tool needs to accomplish things. It doesn't matter if its in sports or exams. You've to do what expected from you. This is his fricked up mindset.
Also, most people forget that when Light lost his memories, he genuinely tried to catch Kira and didn't like L's fishy ways. He tried to do things while having a moral compass, unlike L. This is stark contrast from his Kira self.
Exactly. Kira just took it to the extreme because he has the means to do it: DN. It's not a coincidence that L, M and N aren't Japaneses.
Hm good point
While all true he does say in chapter 1 he should kill his classmates for partying instead of studying. So maybe not resentment but he doesn’t really believe others should be allowed to life as anything but tools
this is stupid. we can't have a real argument if I can't tell if people are trolling anymore
light was just a really bored and brilliant man that always thought he was meant for something greater, then he just so happened to find the most powerful weapon of mass destruction in the history of mankind
>thinking Light was meant to represent anything but a little sociopath b***h who got the worst murder weapon in history and used it
they say it verbatim
How many times would you write Black person in the death note
>George Floyd - heart attack while being detained for arrest
Keikaku dore
Near cheated
So did Light, by using a Shinigami to kill L.
I think Light does have a soul he’s just in denial of it because he in good faith considers himself a tool. So this whole Kira thing, he tells himself he is being a public servant and his actual self doesn’t matter (which is why he’s so flippant about the loss of his soul, he believes he is meant to sacrifice everything to be this honorable tool), but he is still a person so he doesn’t realize he’s sublimating his entire lost personality into this Kira project. He does it to finally feel alive, but he doesn’t think he does!
*mogs the original manga*
>gets cucked by god even though he did everything right
nothing personnel kid
More like he outplayed death gods so hard they ass pulled a cheat off-page to beat his zoomie ass.
This was kind of stupid.
>Le free money for everyone!
he turned a few thousand people into millionaires and destroyed his local economy but with 5 mill in the bank you can just move to the other side of the country and chill
if you are a good guy and want to save the world, some sacrifices of the innocent are unavoidable.
If I say to you that if you press this button 10 people will die, and between those 10 people ther are 9 innocents and 1 person that in 10 years will commit a genocide of 1 billion people, do you press the button?
All those questions are just a trolley problem. What if this person really did good by killing million of bad peoople saving hundred of millions of lives. but "muh between those people there were 2 people wrongly accoused, muhh think about them" who cares, the benefits surpass the negatives
Such extreme examples for things that can be decided through individual cases. No need to have a button that kills ten, just investigate the ten and find the guy who actually needs to die
Hell, it's not like Japan doesn't have the death penalty for the big monsters.
This isn't Belgium, where jihadist terrorists live luxurious lives on the taxpayer euro while their victims get euthanased for ptsd.
In the manga, Light got insomnia after using the death note and even lost weight. Like other anon said, the death note warps people into something ugly(and living with a shinigami MAY have contribue) .
Unironically L killed light when he challenged kira to a catch and mouse game
That was just from the stress of killing people for the first time in his life while also discovering that he actually has a supernatural notebook.
>L, do you know God's of death love seed and feed?