D9 is overrated. I hated it then and I hated it now. I don't even think people really like it they just meme that they like it because they feel they are supposed to like it. The FX are admittedly good tho.
Probably a film student FX project or something. There's a slightly longer version where the guy in the bus addresses the flamethrower guy saying "I like your outfit" before he gets blasted.
Probably a film student FX project or something. There's a slightly longer version where the guy in the bus addresses the flamethrower guy saying "I like your outfit" before he gets blasted.
>guy spends 20 years in cabin in the woods >Mr. Lonely starts playing
I should start making movies there's no way I'll frick up if people get away with moronic shit like that
>Liveleak shotgun suicide tier
i remember hearing a story about the dead space devs looking at car crash victims to study and use as reference when making the necromorphs
i wonder if the vfx artists who did this had to watch liveleak suicides in a similar fashion
The books from the Neuromancer saga had The Sprawl, a Jamaican fakes credentials to dock on an orbital corpo eden to get the main character in, the augmented biological and physiological upgrades, and so on. The cyberpunk genre was popularized by Gibson and sterling. The only thing missing is VR and a scene where they fly to Chiba to get the upgrades done. There's also no AI Celebrity, but they could certainly have made a kino sequel with those elements
Ok so there's a big city, a space station with rich people on it, and augmentation?
You're literally just describing cyberpunk as genre fiction lmao. Those are tropes endemic to the genre. Elysium is a cyberpunk movie but it's got almost nothing in common with the plot or themes of Neuromancer.
If you're playing this fast and loose with definitions literally every piece of vaguely cyberpunk media released since the 80s is a "soft adaptation" of Neuromancer, dude.
>The only thing missing is VR and a scene where they fly to Chiba to get the upgrades done. There's also no AI Celebrity, but they could certainly have made a kino sequel with those elements
Ok now I'm not convinced you've even read the book lol
Elysium has more Walter Jon Williams DNA in it than it does Gibson, and even then I wouldn't be so stupid as to call it a "soft adaptation of Hardwired"
I read all the Gibson Sprawl novels in the 1990s. Forgive me for not copy pasting someone else's analysis of the movie so we could do dueling criticism. Either way, the vibe of elysium reminds me a lot of Gibsons work and you're a pedantic homosexual for saying otherwise
There's a big fricking difference between "the vibe reminds me of Gibson" and "it's a soft adaptation of Neuromancer" you fricking moron. That's not me being pedantic, that's me pointing out that this piece of highly-derivative cyberpunk genre fiction is no more a "soft adaptation Neuromancer" than fricking Dredd or Robocop or Upgrade or Total Recall are.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It is a soft adaptation of Neuromancer. Neuromancer is literally about CEOs achieving practical immortality via hibernation technologies and matrix-like worlds to store their own consciousness. Elysium is also about the super rich achieving longevity through high tech. In Neuromancer we also see a group of criminals try to infiltrate and steal from these corporate gods, same thing as in Elysium. These corporate overlords also happen to be situated in low earth orbit in both Neuromancer and Elysium. Neuromancer also features a Rasta gang that is really good at technology, similar to the Mexican street gangs we see in Elysium who help the protagonist hack into Elysium and infiltrate it. Neuromancer also features a main character who has a physical affliction that he hopes to cure by doing this mission. This is identical to the protagonist of Elysium.
Seethe about it moron. Neuromancer is a highly influential and well known cyberpunk book, of course Blomkampf would’ve been inspired by it. Even the Matrix was inspired by it,
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lol gonna hurt yourself with that reach
You're a fricking moron, buddy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
seething zoomer moron that doesn’t read books and can’t connect dots
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon I know you said it's been like 30 years since you read Neuromancer
You should maybe give it a quick reread before you sperg out like this lol because you sound stupid as frick right now
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn’t say anything except my first post. I’m not the same person you’ve been talking to. But the other guy is also based for seeing it as well.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Neuromancer is literally about CEOs achieving practical immortality via hibernation technologies and matrix-like worlds to store their own consciousness
Lmao no it isn't
Neuromancer is about an AI compelling a group of criminals to allow it to ascend to another level of consciousness. The fact that Elysium shares a couple of notes with the book (as long as you phrase shit in the stupidest, vaguest way possible lol, "the rastas are just like the mexicans") is literally just Elysium being a piece of genre fiction in the genre Neuromancer pioneered. A piece of media being influenced, even heavily, by another piece of media, is not a "soft adaptation." And again, Elysium shares a LOT more thematic, plot, and world details with Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams than it does with Neuromancer. I'm sure Blompkamp has read both books, which is still something I am not confident is true about you given what you're saying Neuromancer is "about."
You are moronic.
I guess I never felt like the movie adequately explained why the space station morons didn't just send some miracle beds down to hospitals on the surface.
Shit you could even make that treatment cost $10,000,000 or whatever but you just removed the major impetus for invasion because they can just storm a hospital for the bed instead of invading your sky island.
They did and the earthlings promptly stole and destroyed the medical pods. It's not that they can't provide them medicine, it's that they don't deserve the medicine and the horrible conditions on earth keeps our gene pool strong by constantly putting the race under environmental and mental strain. Unfortunately humans do poorly when we have everything we need. It actually kills us. Individual people have to suffer immensely for the species to thrive
It's just the truth. In the history of elysium you really don't think someone wanted to bring their medicine to the earthlings? What do you think happened? Some warlord with cancer swooped in to steal the technology for himself and destroyed it and killed the people capable of maintaining the technology. You know.... the thing that happens every time we try to provide aide to people?
The lack of sealed atmosphere is a pretty big concern.
I mean the Earth itself is constantly losing atmosphere into the void due to the tiny number of molecules that occasionally reach escape velocity. But the Earth's atmosphere is so colossal so the molecules have to go a long way without any collisions to escape.
On something as small as Elysium there's going to be significant losses of gas that mean additional matter needs to be shipped up periodically to replenish the lost elements. And if they stop spinning to generate faux-gravity for even a second all their atmosphere will disappear instantly.
The lack of sealed atmosphere is a pretty big concern.
I mean the Earth itself is constantly losing atmosphere into the void due to the tiny number of molecules that occasionally reach escape velocity. But the Earth's atmosphere is so colossal so the molecules have to go a long way without any collisions to escape.
On something as small as Elysium there's going to be significant losses of gas that mean additional matter needs to be shipped up periodically to replenish the lost elements. And if they stop spinning to generate faux-gravity for even a second all their atmosphere will disappear instantly.
I think the idea is that spinning will also push the atmosphere toward the ground, so as long as the walls are there to keep it in, that atmosphere wont blow out.
I agree it wouldnt work, even if you could keep the gas there long enough to impart the momentum, you would have to spin the ring way faster than what you want for gravity.
It must be assuming some sort of air pressure or EM curtain that repels the gas and keeps it contained.
Sunblock? I dunno. I dont think they are far enough into the atmosphere to be shielded by the Earth. Maybe they surround the torus with its own field to keep the particles out? Seems like that would be really strong, and you'd need to coordinate with any ship wanting to get through.
Correct. Futurists are nothing more than fantasy writers and only the pampered rich childfrickers believe their hogwash because they have no contact with the real world and don't fall on the receiving end of all their scams masquerading as an economy.
Not at all rotating habitats are very possible
Theoretically. But no capitalist system will ever manage them because it's a system that is logistically incapable of it.
Yeah, that was a weird character. He lives like some homeless piece of shit down amongst all the garbage and all they use them for is to fire a missile that's computer controlled? They could have had any of their ground agents with no military experience at all pick up the special package and pull the fricking trigger.
or better yet, instead of relying on hobos to fire a handheld Surface to Orbit missile, just have automated defenses on the torus itself. Or an automated satellite defense system. A network of Obital Ion Cannons would probably work better against a troop transport full of parasitic shitskins than whatever the frick they were doing in that movie.
The whole point of hiring a mercenary to shoot the ships down from earth was so the space station could claim plausible deniability: "it wasnt us, it was some random terrorist on the ground". They didnt want the bad PR of shooting down refugees themselves.
Imagine the kids who work at the gas station he is always bumming cigarettes off of always hearing the same crazy ramblings.
"My grandfather was head of the Free Masons until the israeli Mafia had him killed, there's cameras in every car headlight also I'm a sleeper agent assassin for a mega corp".
or better yet, instead of relying on hobos to fire a handheld Surface to Orbit missile, just have automated defenses on the torus itself. Or an automated satellite defense system. A network of Obital Ion Cannons would probably work better against a troop transport full of parasitic shitskins than whatever the frick they were doing in that movie.
Liberals control the donut.
The electorate see themselves as pacifists and enlightened.
Still need defense because lol
Therefore they subcontracted to some merc group
Imagine the kids who work at the gas station he is always bumming cigarettes off of always hearing the same crazy ramblings.
"My grandfather was head of the Free Masons until the israeli Mafia had him killed, there's cameras in every car headlight also I'm a sleeper agent assassin for a mega corp".
or better yet, instead of relying on hobos to fire a handheld Surface to Orbit missile, just have automated defenses on the torus itself. Or an automated satellite defense system. A network of Obital Ion Cannons would probably work better against a troop transport full of parasitic shitskins than whatever the frick they were doing in that movie.
Yeah, that was a weird character. He lives like some homeless piece of shit down amongst all the garbage and all they use them for is to fire a missile that's computer controlled? They could have had any of their ground agents with no military experience at all pick up the special package and pull the fricking trigger.
someone told me he's based on the members of the Civil Cooperation Bureau >When South African newspapers first revealed its existence in the late 1980s, the CCB appeared to be a unique and unorthodox security operation: its members wore civilian clothing; it operated within the borders of the country; it used private companies as fronts; and it mostly targeted civilians.
he was definitely used for more than shooting down ships
>based on relative distance and projectile velocity
Distance to what? How do they know to blow up before the robot, but after the explosion cloud? When did he set what he was supposed to be shooting at?
Is it just any distance to anything solid? Are the bullets using LIDAR?
>you can program rounds for artillery/tanks/anti-aircraft already
Those dont fly backward after a single hit, and as you said - they are programmed. >maybe the distance is measured via the laser on top of the ak
Laser would have them all blow up right in front of the debris cloud the first bullet made.
How does it know which surface to measure off of?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Those dont fly backward after a single hit
what are you talking about you moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
Watch the clip, homosexual. Do you think tanks act like that robot?
Go watch a tank being hit by a missile.
Tell me how quickly the rounds come, and how far each one moves the tank.
3 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition
3 months ago
Anonymous
>explode at a pre-programmed point in the flight path of the approaching target
These do not work at all like the ammo in the clip, but we can look at how they are programmed. >As the round leaves the muzzle its exact speed is measured just before programming using inductive coils. The muzzle velocity of each round is used to correct the ejection time that is programmed into the round. This compensation allows very accurate placement of the sub-projectiles in front of the target, forcing the target to fly into a cloud of tungsten sub-projectiles. The high number of sub-projectiles per round maximises the hit probability.
I'm not finding how it determines where to put the round, only that the timer is set by the muzzle.
There's a laser pointer on the gun measuring the distance of whatever it reflects off, they use shit like that on construction sites. The bullets are programed by a mechanism in the gun which receives data from the laser. There are already anti aircraft guns that can do this.
>of whatever it reflects off
That is the problem. First the issue of the laser reflecting off the debris cloud the first bullet leaves. Second, the issue that we see three bullets fired before the range changes, and yet each bullet detonates at a different range, meaning if it is using data from the finder, that data must be continually sent as the bullet flies, and you still end up with "how does the finder determine which surface to calculate with?"
3 months ago
Anonymous
>range is for the first bullet only >mechanism automatically intervals forward each shot from the setting dialed in by the range of the first one >exploding bullets creep forward anticipating the target getting knocked back
There, that works.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I thought so too.
>time fuses with the range set by the laser.
You run into the problem again with the clip showing three bullets fired BEFORE the target moves, and then showing those three bullets detonating at different distances.
It could still be a timed fuse, but it would make more sense that it only finds range once, and then imparts the time to a three round burst, with each bullet getting a slight time delay.
If the target is pushed back, the bullets will stay in range. If the target doesnt move, the explosion just gets a few inches closer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>point laser range finder at target >programs bullet to airburst ~1m from target >BUT THE DEBRIS CLOUD
moron that's slow motion, all three rounds would have been fired before the first one detonated, they literally had programmable infantry airburst weapons back in 2014, they've probably figured it out by 2154.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i think hes being obtuse on purpose
3 months ago
Anonymous
>programs bullet to airburst ~1m from target
This didnt happen. >all three rounds would have been fired before the first one detonated
Did they all detonate at the same time? Slow motion doesnt change what happens, it just lets us see it. >they've probably figured it out by 2154.
So you dont know it would work either.
i think hes being obtuse on purpose
Hard to be obtuse when there is no answer given.
Is it LIDAR?
Take the previous post about how all three bullets left the chamber before the first detonated.
Okay, so that means each bullet would have the same distance programmed by the LIDAR.
But they explode at different ranges.
So if the info comes from the gun's range finder, they must be getting the LIDAR info during flight.
How does that work?
3 months ago
Anonymous
probably works like AA airburst does where there is either a timed or proximity fuse. had like a miniradar in each round. that stuff came about near the end of ww2
3 months ago
Anonymous
>like AA airburst does
Those are meant to go off at a certain elevation range. If the bullets worked like that, they wouldnt be following through the debris cloud and adjusting where they detonate. >like a miniradar in each round
Yes, this is what makes more sense to me. The top attachment may also be the range finder and imparting the distance to each bullet before expulsion.
Still wondering how it is determining that distance, though. It cant be visual, or rather both with visual and sonar or something else it has to have some threshold of "this is a surface, and this isnt". And that is what is stumping me.
Whether in the bullet or on the gun, what is determining what is or isnt a surface?
It has to be on the fly because it is being adjusted with each bullet, and as other anon said the first three are fired before anything changes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Samegayging to muse - would magnetic proximity work? They wouldnt be any good against people, but if the bullets are detonating at some level of magnetism that might explain it.
What stops me there is whether flying through the burst would be able to reach that threshold, like chaff. Perhaps there isnt enough metal in the bullets.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You don't think future cameras have extremely advanced image recognition software?
A camera that can quickly and accurately identify desert-car-robot-desert, make a simulation of the space and then tell the bullets when to explode for good damage ?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>extremely advanced image recognition software?
I think that would be more of a detriment. A better eye is going to see the cloud more.
We want something paradoxically worse so the debris isnt visible at all.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>implying the gun doesn't already know there will be a cloud and so ignores it
Image recognition, being able to make accurate assumptions, that's what makes the gun work.
Distances, and targets, and ways to filter the target through noise.
Probably easy for future engineers to program it with different pre set explosion distances depending on the numbers of shots in a burst.
3 months ago
Anonymous
wiki says it is based on the xm25 which uses a laser range finder that can be adjusted by the user. easy to assume that in this scifi movie it is just more advanced than what we have now even if it is old by the movie's standards
3 months ago
Anonymous
How does the XM 25 deal with the laser not being able to reach the target by it's own debris obstructing?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh I see, the xm25 isnt an automatic, it's a grenade launcher. It doesnt have to worry about the dbris it leaves.
>implying the gun doesn't already know there will be a cloud and so ignores it
Image recognition, being able to make accurate assumptions, that's what makes the gun work.
Distances, and targets, and ways to filter the target through noise.
Probably easy for future engineers to program it with different pre set explosion distances depending on the numbers of shots in a burst.
I think future engineers, like me, would realize something like magnetic proximity would be a lot easier than all of that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The weapon grew out of technological advancements in ai recognition software, not the other way around.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice headcanon. You should ask the writers to pay you.
What I am seeing from these defensive posts is "we dont know how it works, but it's future magic so just trust us, it'll work".
It's like if I asked how the flying cars work in BttF and scoff and point to a Cesna.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't it work as an explanation though?
The gun sees and can in some sense, think for the user.
Every single future weapon shown in Elysium has in some way been made for ease of use. They are self-guiding, remote activated, ignore walls and matter etc
Very generous, very easy to use.
And based on what I've written, it would make sense that the AK has been modified to be able to see and make decisions when to explode
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe a actual weapon expert would know or just think of some sci-fi work around like a processing unit that can make adjustments for each shot based on know data sets for how common engagements happen and use that data to program the rounds, sorta like a preset. multiple lasers feeding more data than a single point for more accurate range through debris so even if one laser is obstructed the other 3 will give it a better average distance or by using a combination of things other anons mentioned. someone must have figured it out. there's probably more info in the design works book for elysium
3 months ago
Anonymous
>multiple lasers feeding more data than a single point for more accurate range through debris so even if one laser is obstructed the other 3 will give it a better average distance
I like this idea. Doesnt have to be a single input stream.
Doesn't it work as an explanation though?
The gun sees and can in some sense, think for the user.
Every single future weapon shown in Elysium has in some way been made for ease of use. They are self-guiding, remote activated, ignore walls and matter etc
Very generous, very easy to use.
And based on what I've written, it would make sense that the AK has been modified to be able to see and make decisions when to explode
>Doesn't it work as an explanation though?
Sure, and I had no issue when watching the movie. But now I'm watching the one clip and wondering about the tech. It's a different type of scrutiny.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ shut the frick up zoomer
3 months ago
Anonymous
The proper response from an old man that cant answer questions is either to make up magic like other anons did or say "go ask your mother".
And I bet I'm older than you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Here's the answer: time fuses with the range set by the laser. They go off after X milliseconds once they have been fired. They're armed by an accelerometer. The timer is set once the round is chambered by electrodes.
Just WW2 technology with a laser rangefinder. But no it's fricking LIDAR!!!! moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>time fuses with the range set by the laser.
You run into the problem again with the clip showing three bullets fired BEFORE the target moves, and then showing those three bullets detonating at different distances.
It could still be a timed fuse, but it would make more sense that it only finds range once, and then imparts the time to a three round burst, with each bullet getting a slight time delay.
If the target is pushed back, the bullets will stay in range. If the target doesnt move, the explosion just gets a few inches closer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's a movie anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
hes obviously moronic, dont feed him
3 months ago
Anonymous
bullets have proximity sensors
3 months ago
Anonymous
Proximity to what? I thought on that as well.
Samegayging to muse - would magnetic proximity work? They wouldnt be any good against people, but if the bullets are detonating at some level of magnetism that might explain it.
What stops me there is whether flying through the burst would be able to reach that threshold, like chaff. Perhaps there isnt enough metal in the bullets.
I get that its the nature of Cinemaphile to harange, but is it really more fun for you to pretend I'm stupid for wondering how something that is explicitly futurisitc and not workable today might work?
Does it soothe your mind to have a simple answer like "proximity" without wanting to know how that might be achieved?
3 months ago
Anonymous
proximity to solid objects
the gun attachment sets the initial approximate distance to arm the bullets as a safety measure
the bullets themselves trigger the explosion, to make sure to delay a bit to keep the optimal range once the first burst kicks the target back
you can see there even is some sort of manual setting but I dunno what it does
3 months ago
Anonymous
>proximity to solid objects
How does the bullet determine solid and not solid? How big of an object sets it off? Material?
How this works is the point this whole thread.
Others have said data sent to bullet through range finding.
You are offering proximity determination.
How does it determine that proximity, and to what?
3 months ago
Anonymous
What if you shot it through a narrow corridor, would flying past something set it off, or does the solid have to be right in front of it? Is it a cone of range finding?
I know you want this to be an easy answer, but I dont think it is.
We have lots of ways to tell a round to detonate at a certain time.
We dont have many that can do so dynamically on the fly through debris fields.
Closest shown so far are the AHEAD rounds that dont fly through their own explosions, and are meant to create a path of shrapnel for a target to go through, it doesnt detonate based on the target itself, but on a muzzle-programmed timer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe we could have but there's always the problem of packing too much shit into a small object
I imagine an AK bullet with an explosive shrapnel warhead is hard enough, not to mention additional high tech stuff that incorporates multiple systems
But if we're just pulling shit out of our asses i don't think it's outrageous to imagine a few laser beam sensors that could minimize the risk of triggering on debris
It doesn't have to be 100% foolproof just good enough
that's what the rangefinder to arm the bullets is for
3 months ago
Anonymous
>an AK bullet with an explosive shrapnel warhead
I though something like this already existed, but pic is the closest I found. Certainly we can add fletchette or shrapnel rounds to things larger like AA or tank rounds.
Minaturization is a b***h, though. I bet it would take careful 3D printing for a strong enough frame that can hold explosive and shrapnel. >It doesn't have to be 100% foolproof just good enough
If I was designing it, my "good enough" was what I said above about programming three round bursts with just auto-delay.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>pic is the closest I found
Sorry. this one.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Found some more interesting bullets. >(left) 9x19mm Cobra "High Safety Ammunition" multi-dart - an experimental cartridge of steel darts inside a polymer sabot that was made in the early 1970's and was supposedly meant as an armor-piercing round for use by troops that went into tunnels where a low muzzle-flash and low-recoil cartridge would be needed. >(right) 9x19mm Israeli riot control shrapnel shell - an anti-personnel cartridge with steel balls embedded in amber resin, which would be ejected upon firing, allowing them to continue along the shell's trajectory and strike the target individually, operating very much in the same way a land-mine would.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Now add some nanotech/nanoprocessor electronics to that and air burst rounds are entirely possible.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It would be a problem not only to keep the integrity of the bullet but also for it the warhead to pack enough of a punch
3 months ago
Anonymous
I prefer my 80s gun-fired smart missiles.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hell yes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's not how bullets are fired
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's India tier
3 months ago
Anonymous
>this didn't happen
you didn't watch the movie.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'll accept I forgot. It's not in the clip.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>2014 was so optimistic they thought the world would only turn into an absolute desolate shithole by 2154, and even then the elite has a comfy space station they can chill on
only 10 years after and we all know humanity won't be a thing by 2040
3 months ago
Anonymous
>won't be a thing
americans have had a slight decrease in standard of living and are already entering their apocalypse mindset
3 months ago
Anonymous
their entire middle-class has been annihilated. i.e., the backbone of a capitalist society. when most the people have most the money, the money serves most the people. when almost no people have all the money, the money serves almost no people. and since money runs politics, that means politics now serves almost no people.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>billionaires control society >automation makes stuff >humanity are pushed out to the farthest reaches of space to make a "traditional" living
i don't see a problem tbh, resources always accumulate in the hands of those who are best suited to accumulate them
plus being miserable in a tiny room at home and being miserable in a tiny room in space are pretty much equivalent for me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's great and all until you realize the number one impact on the accumulation of money is proximity to the federal reserve and those accumulating it are hostile aliens that want you and every othe White person dead.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This. It's not even just at the elite level either, Church Orgs help migrants get loans to buy houses in the US. In an already overcrowded housing market you literally have to compete with third world goblins with a 4th grade education for a home in your own country
3 months ago
Anonymous
But you deserve to be replaced because you were born white in america. You were born into the cardinal sin. have a nice day so a brown person can take your place.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>i don't see a problem tbh, resources always accumulate in the hands of those who are best suited to accumulate them
Spoken like a true member of a childfricker dynasty.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Will someone please give me a king's dick to suck I'm dying of thirst over here
3 months ago
Anonymous
>slight
b***h nobody can afford housing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they can. they just don't wanna live in the areas that they can afford.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Spoken like a true glowboomer.
>My end of the boat has risen 300 ft!
Just because you can afford your sub-mansion in Arlington doesn't mean you live "in the country". Suburbs aren't the country, glowBlack person.
There's a laser pointer on the gun measuring the distance of whatever it reflects off, they use shit like that on construction sites. The bullets are programed by a mechanism in the gun which receives data from the laser. There are already anti aircraft guns that can do this.
take out a group of targets, take out a target hiding behind cover, spreads out the projectiles to be more likely to hit an unarmored spot instead of trying to penetrate armor
Elysium is underrated kino. It only really has two real flaws. #1 the greasy Mexicans were TOO greasy. Like comically greasy. #2 was Jodie Foster with her weird accent and overdubbed voice lines. A rere miss for a top tier actor like Foster . The movie has some of the best visuals in the game though
Kruger was based on the real-life apartheid-era CCB. A secret police squad the White Apartheid regime used to terrorize Black Freedom Fighters, Dissidents, Communists, and so on. They were often sent deep into enemy territory to blend in as locals or dissidents and "Activated" for certain missions before disappearing again. They did things so awful that the south african government denied they were even associated with them. The unit was based on Mossad's "Kidon" and trained in israel. They even operated abroad and assassinated anti-apartheid activists and leftists in other countries.
After the war most of them fled to Israel (apartheid south africa's biggest ally), who they operated alongside with killing Cubans and African Communists in Angola.
Fortunately modern South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
>Israel supports South Africa and Rhodesia while the USA, UK, and USSR actively work together to destroy them
Remind me again why I'm supposed to hate Israel? Because they turned some sandmonkies into charcoal briquette?
>South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
Now it all makes sense.
>Israel supports South Africa and Rhodesia while the USA, UK, and USSR actively work together to destroy them
Remind me again why I'm supposed to hate Israel? Because they turned some sandmonkies into charcoal briquette?
>Remind me again why I'm supposed to hate Israel?
Because they were also instrumental in the downfall of both Apartheid(functioning and safe) SA and Rhodesia. Aswell the withdrawal of Portugal from Angola. Thats the the thing about israelites, they play both sides, divide and conquer etc. You see? Theyre a filthy race of degenerate snakes. israelites also invented communism so pretty much the root of all evil in the world.
What the world saw in Southern Africa at the end of the 20th century was the rehearsal for whats happening now all over the world.
>Fortunately modern South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
Eat a bullet, homosexual.
>sympathy with right wingers >post is about fascist death squads and crimes against humanity and South Africans taking back their country from colonizers
Cope more chudcuck. That post is based and it shits on your pol narratives
The ANC was literally created by israelites Joe Slovo and Ruth First and included former Irgun soldiers. israelites, as always, played both sides so they could get what they wanted.
The thing that was cool to me about this movie was that Blomkamp found the composer, Ryan Amon by searching "Epic Soundtrack Music" on youtube. He sent him a message after hearing some tunes, then before you know it-Amon was scoring the film. Ryan Amon's studio was on par with the average hobbyist from the /prod/ threads on Cinemaphile, and here he is suddenly scoring a major film. So cool! Since then he's been recording strings at abbey road, scoring bloodbourne, diablo, all sorts of shit. Good for him. You can make it bros.
Actually he forces his accent in these movies. If you hear him speak normally he has a somewhat slower South African accent. Basically he sounds normal.
NGMI. If you watch one of the other South African "baddies" in this movie when he reaches for his pistol to shoot Mat damon he has to awkwardly crouch down to reach his gun because the dickhead costume designer clearly didnt listen to the technical adviser.
Crouching isnt really the word Im looking for. Imagine trying to get something thats deep inside a leg pocket on a pair of cargo pants.
Also no it wouldnt be in this case. The firers position changes but the position of weapon doesnt. Also he didnt take cover in the scene he was out in the open.
blomkamp is fricking good and deserves more money and praise, he is the goat sci-fi director. rakka has better cgi and story than anything out in the last few years and he would make a great warhammer 40k adaptation
>arm flies off before it cuts back to Damon >once it cuts back, it's literally a human chicken nugget
Grim, why can't we have fun gore like this anymore? It's not even an old film!
There's at least two shots in Elysium where the camera rotates around Matt in such a way that it feels like a third person camera in a video game.
idk why I enjoyed that so much
I have a soft spot for Elysium because of how good the gore was. The overall film is disappointing but some of those shots of people getting blasted were incredible and I don’t even like extreme gore.
Agreed. I really like the mercs. They're all sadistic buttholes but they have a kino job they obviously love. Living their best life raping and murdering for fun and profit
No it wasnt. Its one of the biggest plotholes of the aliens series. The ship was safely behind a mountain range at a distance where you need to 6 wheeled vehicle to get to. And also a ship designed for the rigours of deep space would easily be able to withstand a 40mt explosion from a distance.
You should check out his youtube channel Oats Studio if you haven't seen it before
https://youtube.com/@OatsStudios
Its mostly shorts but some are pretty good
>have thousands of magical medical pods that can heal people from literally anything, including having your entire head destroyed by an explosion, for no cost whatsoever >these things are set up so that they can be deployed en masse from space by fully autonomous robotic medical crews with the push of a button >they don't have even one of these on the surface even for the staff in the radiation factory because... because the.... uh.... the people who own them are le bad!
On a surface level yes, but I kind of read Jodi fosters character as an antihero
Brutal people like her need to exist to counter the soft magnanimity of the people who take no responsibility for their well-being. It's the same way coddled urbanites are so egalitarian until their policies hurt them enough to matter. Then suddenly they become Hitler. It's better for someone who can handle the burden to be the bad guy because their responses will be measured. Anger a child and it will have a tantrum.
You've apparently never lived on Earth during capitalism. The only thing unrealistic about Elysium is the level of technology. Mankind will NEVER achieve this and it's because of capitalism. Right now most people can't afford to have basic housing and you're talking about technology indistinguishable from magic. Why the frick would plutocrats allow ANYONE to have this if it ever got invented?
I'll kill your entire extended family instead. I live under the oppression of capitalism now. Housing is denied to 3/4 of the population forcing everyone to live with their parents or shack up with 5 strangers like beaners.
And remember, you boomer israelite: hell is real and you're going there. And you're never getting out.
They probably had an NGO pay to install a few on earth and Black folk stole the copper out of the pods and it pissed the elites off so much that they actively want the poor browns to suffer. Makes perfect sense to me
Activate a better movie
>Activate a better *ACK*
Not so chirpy now, eh?
Somebody got filtered.
Jodie foster is the real reason why this movie sucks
I see the new season of True Detective has pozzed my girl to all the morons.
Only saw s1 of true crime, honestly I just felt like she couldn’t play a villain. Maybe charlese Theron or sigourney weaver.
Now that the dust has settled, what the frick was Jodie Foster’s accent meant to be?
Blue bloods from New England they all sound like that
>I know it is not the custom to speak or to act the way I do
Yes we know Jodie, everyone knows so why the frick are you doing it?
She's a platinum haired mommy waifu though
she was gourgeous in that pencil skirt and heels tho
Elysium is the only remotely likable blopklop movie
more like blomkslop.
or at least a good one
You fat, tiny penised, Trump supporting, incel, low IQ b***h.
I really love hobo fashion. I feel like I was meant to be a hobo. It's only because of pharmaceuticals that I'm able to hold a job like normal people.
Sharlto Copley needs to be in more movies, loved him in hardcore henry
He's the modern day Bruce Campbell. Just wasted on bit projects instead of given his due.
he'll always have District 9 and A-Team
what an amazing character actor
D9 is overrated. I hated it then and I hated it now. I don't even think people really like it they just meme that they like it because they feel they are supposed to like it. The FX are admittedly good tho.
It's one of the best movies of all time. I love it in every way. You have terrible taste.
No one told me I was supposed to like it. I just like it. It's a bloody sci-fi shoot em up with a dash of racism and classism, what's not to love?
B-but muh apartheid!!!
Can't criticize my movie or you're racist!
He ain’t israeli, won’t happen.
That's got to be the gayest jacket I've ever seen.
>Great jacket! Where can I get one?
Wtf what is going on here?
Probably a film student FX project or something. There's a slightly longer version where the guy in the bus addresses the flamethrower guy saying "I like your outfit" before he gets blasted.
Are you regarded?
He was a great Uncle Ted imho
>guy spends 20 years in cabin in the woods
>Mr. Lonely starts playing
I should start making movies there's no way I'll frick up if people get away with moronic shit like that
He was also spot on as Murdock in A-Team.
This has to be one of the worse names ever right? Looks bad even as a star wars character.
Ai wuz gona heel yur dotta
I miss him
Loved that heavy BASS when he blew that one guy with a bomb.
It's just a flesh wound.
Liveleak shotgun suicide tier
why is this the only move to actually get something this fricked up on screen?
>Liveleak shotgun suicide tier
i remember hearing a story about the dead space devs looking at car crash victims to study and use as reference when making the necromorphs
i wonder if the vfx artists who did this had to watch liveleak suicides in a similar fashion
It was done by Weta, Peter Jackson's company. So gore is the name of their game since day one.
>Liveleak shotgun suicide tier
needs more blood tbh
Vaporization
BOSS GOT FRICKED UP EH
ATE THAT FRICKIN GRENADE
fricking hell
I guess he isn't going to be saving face after that incident.
[carlos.jpg]
IIRC he keeps his head about him.
he should’ve played the main character
that would have been dumb
Frick you he was a fantastic villain.
He and Matt Damon should’ve switched roles.
D9=Elysium=Chappie
Also Elysium is a soft adaptation of Neuromancer
>Also Elysium is a soft adaptation of Neuromancer
Defend this statement
The books from the Neuromancer saga had The Sprawl, a Jamaican fakes credentials to dock on an orbital corpo eden to get the main character in, the augmented biological and physiological upgrades, and so on. The cyberpunk genre was popularized by Gibson and sterling. The only thing missing is VR and a scene where they fly to Chiba to get the upgrades done. There's also no AI Celebrity, but they could certainly have made a kino sequel with those elements
Ok so there's a big city, a space station with rich people on it, and augmentation?
You're literally just describing cyberpunk as genre fiction lmao. Those are tropes endemic to the genre. Elysium is a cyberpunk movie but it's got almost nothing in common with the plot or themes of Neuromancer.
If you're playing this fast and loose with definitions literally every piece of vaguely cyberpunk media released since the 80s is a "soft adaptation" of Neuromancer, dude.
>The only thing missing is VR and a scene where they fly to Chiba to get the upgrades done. There's also no AI Celebrity, but they could certainly have made a kino sequel with those elements
Ok now I'm not convinced you've even read the book lol
Elysium has more Walter Jon Williams DNA in it than it does Gibson, and even then I wouldn't be so stupid as to call it a "soft adaptation of Hardwired"
I read all the Gibson Sprawl novels in the 1990s. Forgive me for not copy pasting someone else's analysis of the movie so we could do dueling criticism. Either way, the vibe of elysium reminds me a lot of Gibsons work and you're a pedantic homosexual for saying otherwise
There's a big fricking difference between "the vibe reminds me of Gibson" and "it's a soft adaptation of Neuromancer" you fricking moron. That's not me being pedantic, that's me pointing out that this piece of highly-derivative cyberpunk genre fiction is no more a "soft adaptation Neuromancer" than fricking Dredd or Robocop or Upgrade or Total Recall are.
It is a soft adaptation of Neuromancer. Neuromancer is literally about CEOs achieving practical immortality via hibernation technologies and matrix-like worlds to store their own consciousness. Elysium is also about the super rich achieving longevity through high tech. In Neuromancer we also see a group of criminals try to infiltrate and steal from these corporate gods, same thing as in Elysium. These corporate overlords also happen to be situated in low earth orbit in both Neuromancer and Elysium. Neuromancer also features a Rasta gang that is really good at technology, similar to the Mexican street gangs we see in Elysium who help the protagonist hack into Elysium and infiltrate it. Neuromancer also features a main character who has a physical affliction that he hopes to cure by doing this mission. This is identical to the protagonist of Elysium.
Seethe about it moron. Neuromancer is a highly influential and well known cyberpunk book, of course Blomkampf would’ve been inspired by it. Even the Matrix was inspired by it,
Lol gonna hurt yourself with that reach
You're a fricking moron, buddy.
seething zoomer moron that doesn’t read books and can’t connect dots
Anon I know you said it's been like 30 years since you read Neuromancer
You should maybe give it a quick reread before you sperg out like this lol because you sound stupid as frick right now
I didn’t say anything except my first post. I’m not the same person you’ve been talking to. But the other guy is also based for seeing it as well.
>Neuromancer is literally about CEOs achieving practical immortality via hibernation technologies and matrix-like worlds to store their own consciousness
Lmao no it isn't
Neuromancer is about an AI compelling a group of criminals to allow it to ascend to another level of consciousness. The fact that Elysium shares a couple of notes with the book (as long as you phrase shit in the stupidest, vaguest way possible lol, "the rastas are just like the mexicans") is literally just Elysium being a piece of genre fiction in the genre Neuromancer pioneered. A piece of media being influenced, even heavily, by another piece of media, is not a "soft adaptation." And again, Elysium shares a LOT more thematic, plot, and world details with Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams than it does with Neuromancer. I'm sure Blompkamp has read both books, which is still something I am not confident is true about you given what you're saying Neuromancer is "about."
You are moronic.
Seethe and cope gigatardo, you got rekt
Ok moron
>soft adaption of Neuromancer.
If this is true then frick did they miss the mark.
It's a ripoff of the Alita manga
>Also Elysium is a soft adaptation of Neuromancer
frick off moron
Only good part of that movie. God I fricking hate Mat Damon.
too bad the plot was moronic. Technicals shown in the movie like the exoskeleton and cyborg kruger was great for a cyberpunk setting
the AK looks so fricking cool
>muh steampunk ak
>muh anti materiel plasma rifle
pff, we all know the holoshield was the GOAT in this movie
what is steampunk about an ak with a battery on it
>let drug dealing criminals into the last chance for humanity's survival
>this is supposed to be the good ending
Not the good ending but honestly inevitable.
Yeah it's an ending like Fury Road where everything is gonna go to shit in 3 days.
I guess I never felt like the movie adequately explained why the space station morons didn't just send some miracle beds down to hospitals on the surface.
Shit you could even make that treatment cost $10,000,000 or whatever but you just removed the major impetus for invasion because they can just storm a hospital for the bed instead of invading your sky island.
They did and the earthlings promptly stole and destroyed the medical pods. It's not that they can't provide them medicine, it's that they don't deserve the medicine and the horrible conditions on earth keeps our gene pool strong by constantly putting the race under environmental and mental strain. Unfortunately humans do poorly when we have everything we need. It actually kills us. Individual people have to suffer immensely for the species to thrive
When does the movie say this, schizo?
It's just the truth. In the history of elysium you really don't think someone wanted to bring their medicine to the earthlings? What do you think happened? Some warlord with cancer swooped in to steal the technology for himself and destroyed it and killed the people capable of maintaining the technology. You know.... the thing that happens every time we try to provide aide to people?
>I made it up
This is why nobody takes pol setiously. You literally just make shit up in your schizo heads so much that you genuinely believe it.
>QUICK WE NEED TO CAST LE EVIL IRISHMAN
I really like Chappie =-)
Same :3
Short Circuit did it better.
how have i not seen this?
It sucks
Gonwatch it men,its fun. I saw it in cinemain 2015 i think ;__;
WHY YOU STEAL DADDY'S CAR
I really did not like Chappie =-(
Give it another try or kys
the engineering required to build floating habitats like that is just insane, it's almost as unrealistic as FTL travel
Literally just a ring with enough soil to plant oxygen creating trees.
The lack of sealed atmosphere is a pretty big concern.
I mean the Earth itself is constantly losing atmosphere into the void due to the tiny number of molecules that occasionally reach escape velocity. But the Earth's atmosphere is so colossal so the molecules have to go a long way without any collisions to escape.
On something as small as Elysium there's going to be significant losses of gas that mean additional matter needs to be shipped up periodically to replenish the lost elements. And if they stop spinning to generate faux-gravity for even a second all their atmosphere will disappear instantly.
Bro it's a sealed area.
It’s not that hard just use MOXIs
Didn't you see the webm they literally just flew right onto the surface lmao
Then build it with a roof
Yeah and no roof to keep the oxygen or heat in. Great plan, genius.
shut the frick up homosexual
how is it floating, its in space
the only force you need to be concerned with is outward from the spinning you need to do to create a form of gravity
The only bullshit thing is that the air magically stays inside the ring.
I think the idea is that spinning will also push the atmosphere toward the ground, so as long as the walls are there to keep it in, that atmosphere wont blow out.
I agree it wouldnt work, even if you could keep the gas there long enough to impart the momentum, you would have to spin the ring way faster than what you want for gravity.
It must be assuming some sort of air pressure or EM curtain that repels the gas and keeps it contained.
What about radiation
Sunblock? I dunno. I dont think they are far enough into the atmosphere to be shielded by the Earth. Maybe they surround the torus with its own field to keep the particles out? Seems like that would be really strong, and you'd need to coordinate with any ship wanting to get through.
Not at all rotating habitats are very possible
Correct. Futurists are nothing more than fantasy writers and only the pampered rich childfrickers believe their hogwash because they have no contact with the real world and don't fall on the receiving end of all their scams masquerading as an economy.
Theoretically. But no capitalist system will ever manage them because it's a system that is logistically incapable of it.
We've been able to do it since 1974. The cost will not allow us until 2174.
Nice atmosphere you got there.
Would be a shame if something happened to it.
shito craply needs to be in more movies
love that guy!
He’s gonna be in Moneky Man
Yeah, that was a weird character. He lives like some homeless piece of shit down amongst all the garbage and all they use them for is to fire a missile that's computer controlled? They could have had any of their ground agents with no military experience at all pick up the special package and pull the fricking trigger.
or better yet, instead of relying on hobos to fire a handheld Surface to Orbit missile, just have automated defenses on the torus itself. Or an automated satellite defense system. A network of Obital Ion Cannons would probably work better against a troop transport full of parasitic shitskins than whatever the frick they were doing in that movie.
The idea was to use non-official sources to not make it into a political scandal
The whole point of hiring a mercenary to shoot the ships down from earth was so the space station could claim plausible deniability: "it wasnt us, it was some random terrorist on the ground". They didnt want the bad PR of shooting down refugees themselves.
Imagine the kids who work at the gas station he is always bumming cigarettes off of always hearing the same crazy ramblings.
"My grandfather was head of the Free Masons until the israeli Mafia had him killed, there's cameras in every car headlight also I'm a sleeper agent assassin for a mega corp".
Liberals control the donut.
The electorate see themselves as pacifists and enlightened.
Still need defense because lol
Therefore they subcontracted to some merc group
They have plausible deniability
someone told me he's based on the members of the Civil Cooperation Bureau
>When South African newspapers first revealed its existence in the late 1980s, the CCB appeared to be a unique and unorthodox security operation: its members wore civilian clothing; it operated within the borders of the country; it used private companies as fronts; and it mostly targeted civilians.
he was definitely used for more than shooting down ships
it might be objectively bad for critics, but i love elysium. it's like a video game and sharlto is based as frick in it
Mi pequeno max
How do the bullets know how far to travel?
The kit on top of the AK has a rangefinder that tells the bullet when to burst based on relative distance and projectile velocity.
>based on relative distance and projectile velocity
Distance to what? How do they know to blow up before the robot, but after the explosion cloud? When did he set what he was supposed to be shooting at?
Is it just any distance to anything solid? Are the bullets using LIDAR?
you can program rounds for artillery/tanks/anti-aircraft already, maybe the distance is measured via the laser on top of the ak
>you can program rounds for artillery/tanks/anti-aircraft already
Those dont fly backward after a single hit, and as you said - they are programmed.
>maybe the distance is measured via the laser on top of the ak
Laser would have them all blow up right in front of the debris cloud the first bullet made.
How does it know which surface to measure off of?
>Those dont fly backward after a single hit
what are you talking about you moron
Watch the clip, homosexual. Do you think tanks act like that robot?
Go watch a tank being hit by a missile.
Tell me how quickly the rounds come, and how far each one moves the tank.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition
>explode at a pre-programmed point in the flight path of the approaching target
These do not work at all like the ammo in the clip, but we can look at how they are programmed.
>As the round leaves the muzzle its exact speed is measured just before programming using inductive coils. The muzzle velocity of each round is used to correct the ejection time that is programmed into the round. This compensation allows very accurate placement of the sub-projectiles in front of the target, forcing the target to fly into a cloud of tungsten sub-projectiles. The high number of sub-projectiles per round maximises the hit probability.
I'm not finding how it determines where to put the round, only that the timer is set by the muzzle.
>of whatever it reflects off
That is the problem. First the issue of the laser reflecting off the debris cloud the first bullet leaves. Second, the issue that we see three bullets fired before the range changes, and yet each bullet detonates at a different range, meaning if it is using data from the finder, that data must be continually sent as the bullet flies, and you still end up with "how does the finder determine which surface to calculate with?"
>range is for the first bullet only
>mechanism automatically intervals forward each shot from the setting dialed in by the range of the first one
>exploding bullets creep forward anticipating the target getting knocked back
There, that works.
I thought so too.
>point laser range finder at target
>programs bullet to airburst ~1m from target
>BUT THE DEBRIS CLOUD
moron that's slow motion, all three rounds would have been fired before the first one detonated, they literally had programmable infantry airburst weapons back in 2014, they've probably figured it out by 2154.
i think hes being obtuse on purpose
>programs bullet to airburst ~1m from target
This didnt happen.
>all three rounds would have been fired before the first one detonated
Did they all detonate at the same time? Slow motion doesnt change what happens, it just lets us see it.
>they've probably figured it out by 2154.
So you dont know it would work either.
Hard to be obtuse when there is no answer given.
Is it LIDAR?
Take the previous post about how all three bullets left the chamber before the first detonated.
Okay, so that means each bullet would have the same distance programmed by the LIDAR.
But they explode at different ranges.
So if the info comes from the gun's range finder, they must be getting the LIDAR info during flight.
How does that work?
probably works like AA airburst does where there is either a timed or proximity fuse. had like a miniradar in each round. that stuff came about near the end of ww2
>like AA airburst does
Those are meant to go off at a certain elevation range. If the bullets worked like that, they wouldnt be following through the debris cloud and adjusting where they detonate.
>like a miniradar in each round
Yes, this is what makes more sense to me. The top attachment may also be the range finder and imparting the distance to each bullet before expulsion.
Still wondering how it is determining that distance, though. It cant be visual, or rather both with visual and sonar or something else it has to have some threshold of "this is a surface, and this isnt". And that is what is stumping me.
Whether in the bullet or on the gun, what is determining what is or isnt a surface?
It has to be on the fly because it is being adjusted with each bullet, and as other anon said the first three are fired before anything changes.
Samegayging to muse - would magnetic proximity work? They wouldnt be any good against people, but if the bullets are detonating at some level of magnetism that might explain it.
What stops me there is whether flying through the burst would be able to reach that threshold, like chaff. Perhaps there isnt enough metal in the bullets.
You don't think future cameras have extremely advanced image recognition software?
A camera that can quickly and accurately identify desert-car-robot-desert, make a simulation of the space and then tell the bullets when to explode for good damage ?
>extremely advanced image recognition software?
I think that would be more of a detriment. A better eye is going to see the cloud more.
We want something paradoxically worse so the debris isnt visible at all.
>implying the gun doesn't already know there will be a cloud and so ignores it
Image recognition, being able to make accurate assumptions, that's what makes the gun work.
Distances, and targets, and ways to filter the target through noise.
Probably easy for future engineers to program it with different pre set explosion distances depending on the numbers of shots in a burst.
wiki says it is based on the xm25 which uses a laser range finder that can be adjusted by the user. easy to assume that in this scifi movie it is just more advanced than what we have now even if it is old by the movie's standards
How does the XM 25 deal with the laser not being able to reach the target by it's own debris obstructing?
Oh I see, the xm25 isnt an automatic, it's a grenade launcher. It doesnt have to worry about the dbris it leaves.
I think future engineers, like me, would realize something like magnetic proximity would be a lot easier than all of that.
The weapon grew out of technological advancements in ai recognition software, not the other way around.
Nice headcanon. You should ask the writers to pay you.
What I am seeing from these defensive posts is "we dont know how it works, but it's future magic so just trust us, it'll work".
It's like if I asked how the flying cars work in BttF and scoff and point to a Cesna.
Doesn't it work as an explanation though?
The gun sees and can in some sense, think for the user.
Every single future weapon shown in Elysium has in some way been made for ease of use. They are self-guiding, remote activated, ignore walls and matter etc
Very generous, very easy to use.
And based on what I've written, it would make sense that the AK has been modified to be able to see and make decisions when to explode
maybe a actual weapon expert would know or just think of some sci-fi work around like a processing unit that can make adjustments for each shot based on know data sets for how common engagements happen and use that data to program the rounds, sorta like a preset. multiple lasers feeding more data than a single point for more accurate range through debris so even if one laser is obstructed the other 3 will give it a better average distance or by using a combination of things other anons mentioned. someone must have figured it out. there's probably more info in the design works book for elysium
>multiple lasers feeding more data than a single point for more accurate range through debris so even if one laser is obstructed the other 3 will give it a better average distance
I like this idea. Doesnt have to be a single input stream.
>Doesn't it work as an explanation though?
Sure, and I had no issue when watching the movie. But now I'm watching the one clip and wondering about the tech. It's a different type of scrutiny.
Jesus Christ shut the frick up zoomer
The proper response from an old man that cant answer questions is either to make up magic like other anons did or say "go ask your mother".
And I bet I'm older than you.
Here's the answer: time fuses with the range set by the laser. They go off after X milliseconds once they have been fired. They're armed by an accelerometer. The timer is set once the round is chambered by electrodes.
Just WW2 technology with a laser rangefinder. But no it's fricking LIDAR!!!! moron.
>time fuses with the range set by the laser.
You run into the problem again with the clip showing three bullets fired BEFORE the target moves, and then showing those three bullets detonating at different distances.
It could still be a timed fuse, but it would make more sense that it only finds range once, and then imparts the time to a three round burst, with each bullet getting a slight time delay.
If the target is pushed back, the bullets will stay in range. If the target doesnt move, the explosion just gets a few inches closer.
It's a movie anon.
hes obviously moronic, dont feed him
bullets have proximity sensors
Proximity to what? I thought on that as well.
I get that its the nature of Cinemaphile to harange, but is it really more fun for you to pretend I'm stupid for wondering how something that is explicitly futurisitc and not workable today might work?
Does it soothe your mind to have a simple answer like "proximity" without wanting to know how that might be achieved?
proximity to solid objects
the gun attachment sets the initial approximate distance to arm the bullets as a safety measure
the bullets themselves trigger the explosion, to make sure to delay a bit to keep the optimal range once the first burst kicks the target back
you can see there even is some sort of manual setting but I dunno what it does
>proximity to solid objects
How does the bullet determine solid and not solid? How big of an object sets it off? Material?
How this works is the point this whole thread.
Others have said data sent to bullet through range finding.
You are offering proximity determination.
How does it determine that proximity, and to what?
What if you shot it through a narrow corridor, would flying past something set it off, or does the solid have to be right in front of it? Is it a cone of range finding?
I know you want this to be an easy answer, but I dont think it is.
We have lots of ways to tell a round to detonate at a certain time.
We dont have many that can do so dynamically on the fly through debris fields.
Closest shown so far are the AHEAD rounds that dont fly through their own explosions, and are meant to create a path of shrapnel for a target to go through, it doesnt detonate based on the target itself, but on a muzzle-programmed timer.
Maybe we could have but there's always the problem of packing too much shit into a small object
I imagine an AK bullet with an explosive shrapnel warhead is hard enough, not to mention additional high tech stuff that incorporates multiple systems
But if we're just pulling shit out of our asses i don't think it's outrageous to imagine a few laser beam sensors that could minimize the risk of triggering on debris
It doesn't have to be 100% foolproof just good enough
that's what the rangefinder to arm the bullets is for
>an AK bullet with an explosive shrapnel warhead
I though something like this already existed, but pic is the closest I found. Certainly we can add fletchette or shrapnel rounds to things larger like AA or tank rounds.
Minaturization is a b***h, though. I bet it would take careful 3D printing for a strong enough frame that can hold explosive and shrapnel.
>It doesn't have to be 100% foolproof just good enough
If I was designing it, my "good enough" was what I said above about programming three round bursts with just auto-delay.
>pic is the closest I found
Sorry. this one.
Found some more interesting bullets.
>(left) 9x19mm Cobra "High Safety Ammunition" multi-dart - an experimental cartridge of steel darts inside a polymer sabot that was made in the early 1970's and was supposedly meant as an armor-piercing round for use by troops that went into tunnels where a low muzzle-flash and low-recoil cartridge would be needed.
>(right) 9x19mm Israeli riot control shrapnel shell - an anti-personnel cartridge with steel balls embedded in amber resin, which would be ejected upon firing, allowing them to continue along the shell's trajectory and strike the target individually, operating very much in the same way a land-mine would.
Now add some nanotech/nanoprocessor electronics to that and air burst rounds are entirely possible.
It would be a problem not only to keep the integrity of the bullet but also for it the warhead to pack enough of a punch
I prefer my 80s gun-fired smart missiles.
Hell yes.
that's not how bullets are fired
That's India tier
>this didn't happen
you didn't watch the movie.
I'll accept I forgot. It's not in the clip.
>2014 was so optimistic they thought the world would only turn into an absolute desolate shithole by 2154, and even then the elite has a comfy space station they can chill on
only 10 years after and we all know humanity won't be a thing by 2040
>won't be a thing
americans have had a slight decrease in standard of living and are already entering their apocalypse mindset
their entire middle-class has been annihilated. i.e., the backbone of a capitalist society. when most the people have most the money, the money serves most the people. when almost no people have all the money, the money serves almost no people. and since money runs politics, that means politics now serves almost no people.
>billionaires control society
>automation makes stuff
>humanity are pushed out to the farthest reaches of space to make a "traditional" living
i don't see a problem tbh, resources always accumulate in the hands of those who are best suited to accumulate them
plus being miserable in a tiny room at home and being miserable in a tiny room in space are pretty much equivalent for me.
That's great and all until you realize the number one impact on the accumulation of money is proximity to the federal reserve and those accumulating it are hostile aliens that want you and every othe White person dead.
This. It's not even just at the elite level either, Church Orgs help migrants get loans to buy houses in the US. In an already overcrowded housing market you literally have to compete with third world goblins with a 4th grade education for a home in your own country
But you deserve to be replaced because you were born white in america. You were born into the cardinal sin. have a nice day so a brown person can take your place.
>i don't see a problem tbh, resources always accumulate in the hands of those who are best suited to accumulate them
Spoken like a true member of a childfricker dynasty.
>Will someone please give me a king's dick to suck I'm dying of thirst over here
>slight
b***h nobody can afford housing.
they can. they just don't wanna live in the areas that they can afford.
Spoken like a true glowboomer.
>My end of the boat has risen 300 ft!
Just because you can afford your sub-mansion in Arlington doesn't mean you live "in the country". Suburbs aren't the country, glowBlack person.
There's a laser pointer on the gun measuring the distance of whatever it reflects off, they use shit like that on construction sites. The bullets are programed by a mechanism in the gun which receives data from the laser. There are already anti aircraft guns that can do this.
Smart bullets
Programmed by the computer on top as it passes through the barrel. The technology already exists for AA autocannons.
same way missiles know where they are
I was going to argue and I'm glad I watched the whole thing before I did. You have the right of it.
>ñ
There you go gringuito, feel free to use it.
grassy ass amego
muchos thankyous mono
thanks Ñigger
I don't think 7.62 has that much explosive potential.
It's a 9mm
>Scenes that make you yell KINO in shit movies
Good example of good CGI.
why not make bullets explode INSIDE the target?
take out a group of targets, take out a target hiding behind cover, spreads out the projectiles to be more likely to hit an unarmored spot instead of trying to penetrate armor
exploding bullets are considered war crimes, just FYI. They have to be over a certain size before they can explode.
Elysium is underrated kino. It only really has two real flaws. #1 the greasy Mexicans were TOO greasy. Like comically greasy. #2 was Jodie Foster with her weird accent and overdubbed voice lines. A rere miss for a top tier actor like Foster . The movie has some of the best visuals in the game though
Kruger was based on the real-life apartheid-era CCB. A secret police squad the White Apartheid regime used to terrorize Black Freedom Fighters, Dissidents, Communists, and so on. They were often sent deep into enemy territory to blend in as locals or dissidents and "Activated" for certain missions before disappearing again. They did things so awful that the south african government denied they were even associated with them. The unit was based on Mossad's "Kidon" and trained in israel. They even operated abroad and assassinated anti-apartheid activists and leftists in other countries.
After the war most of them fled to Israel (apartheid south africa's biggest ally), who they operated alongside with killing Cubans and African Communists in Angola.
Fortunately modern South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
Why do we have scheduled blackouts for 6 hours a day and why do all of my windows need to be covered with iron bars
Cause Black folk run your country
>Israel supports South Africa and Rhodesia while the USA, UK, and USSR actively work together to destroy them
Remind me again why I'm supposed to hate Israel? Because they turned some sandmonkies into charcoal briquette?
They only supported them in words alone. If anything I bet Israel was funding and propagandizing western Africa to attack Rhodesia.
They sound like top blokes, shame they didn’t put a few bullets into Mandela and his c**t wife
>South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
Now it all makes sense.
>Remind me again why I'm supposed to hate Israel?
Because they were also instrumental in the downfall of both Apartheid(functioning and safe) SA and Rhodesia. Aswell the withdrawal of Portugal from Angola. Thats the the thing about israelites, they play both sides, divide and conquer etc. You see? Theyre a filthy race of degenerate snakes. israelites also invented communism so pretty much the root of all evil in the world.
What the world saw in Southern Africa at the end of the 20th century was the rehearsal for whats happening now all over the world.
South Africa really had some awesome Special Forces/Asymetric warfare units back then
-32 Battalion
-The Recces
-Police "Koevoet" unit
Damn, good thing SethEfrica is a technological utopia now. Those guys totally weren't proven six million percent correct or anything.
>They were often sent deep into enemy territory to blend in as locals
Think very hard
sounds like made up bullshit
How do libs justify knowing that both the Rhodesians and the Pro-Apartheid South Africans were proven completely correct?
>Black Freedom Fighters,
Black person terrorists*
>Fortunately modern South Africa is putting these bastards in their place and waging lawfare against the Israeli's for supporting them.
Eat a bullet, homosexual.
Looks like the good guys to me, commies aren't people after all
>The unit was based on Mossad's "Kidon" and trained in israel.
Absolutely fricking untrue. You’re a israelite trying to create sympathy with right wingers. Go die in a hole in Golan.
>sympathy with right wingers
>post is about fascist death squads and crimes against humanity and South Africans taking back their country from colonizers
Cope more chudcuck. That post is based and it shits on your pol narratives
The ANC was literally created by israelites Joe Slovo and Ruth First and included former Irgun soldiers. israelites, as always, played both sides so they could get what they wanted.
The thing that was cool to me about this movie was that Blomkamp found the composer, Ryan Amon by searching "Epic Soundtrack Music" on youtube. He sent him a message after hearing some tunes, then before you know it-Amon was scoring the film. Ryan Amon's studio was on par with the average hobbyist from the /prod/ threads on Cinemaphile, and here he is suddenly scoring a major film. So cool! Since then he's been recording strings at abbey road, scoring bloodbourne, diablo, all sorts of shit. Good for him. You can make it bros.
neat
why does that guy do that moronic accent in every movie?
Never spoke to a South African?
Actually he forces his accent in these movies. If you hear him speak normally he has a somewhat slower South African accent. Basically he sounds normal.
WHERE ARE U BOYKI WHERE AR U!
Where to cop the homeless burlap sack fit?
Fun fact, the camo he's wearing standard issue for the modern SADF or whatever homosexual ass name they gave it after 1994.
Not as good as the cams Koevoet wore IMO.
movie name?
Absolute kino.. we'll never get this again
>Pistol holster down around his knee
NGMI. If you watch one of the other South African "baddies" in this movie when he reaches for his pistol to shoot Mat damon he has to awkwardly crouch down to reach his gun because the dickhead costume designer clearly didnt listen to the technical adviser.
wouldn't crouching be a good idea though? to make yourself a smaller target?
Try spinning, that's a good trick.
Crouching isnt really the word Im looking for. Imagine trying to get something thats deep inside a leg pocket on a pair of cargo pants.
Also no it wouldnt be in this case. The firers position changes but the position of weapon doesnt. Also he didnt take cover in the scene he was out in the open.
>firers
Why are gun nerds so easily triggered?
I saw what ya did there.
Imagine the smell
>gets a lethal dose of radiation that will kill him in 5 days
>interacts closely with as many people as possible
need it or keep it?
>radiation sickness is transmissible
>Ah is this the blood? The blood of the dark soul?
Such a shame he never made the halo or alien movies
Who wins in a fight? Wikus or Kruger?
Kruger or Alien Mech Suit Wikus
>random carabiners strapped to his chest doing nothing
i fricking hate costume designers
Presumably they're for hooking up a rifle which is isnt currently using.
Why were Afrikaaners so kino?
They're mean Dutch whites that have a reputation for being brutal and tough. Sort of like chechens. The 80s utopian vibe also helps
This homosexual's accent grated my nerves to shredded pizza topping.
why mans wearing a potato sack on his head?
Potato head
blomkamp is fricking good and deserves more money and praise, he is the goat sci-fi director. rakka has better cgi and story than anything out in the last few years and he would make a great warhammer 40k adaptation
Hey we're getting that cavill 40k joint. Maybe blomkamp can be a director for one of the episodes
Also yea studio oats was fantastic
The cooking ones freaked me out.
I still want his Alien3 movie
same
anyone know what hes up to lately?
He just made the Gran Turismo movie which was Kino-lite
no anon we can't have nice things
working on some vidya gaem that will probably flop then probably making more cgi shorts that noone asked for
Gay
Alien 5 or gtfo
>> ACTIVATE KRUGER
> he does not know what he is about to release
Those are supposed to be super dense rounds like depleted uranium in a mini railgun or something?
I should watch this again.
so fricking kino... why can we never have things like this anymore
>arm flies off before it cuts back to Damon
>once it cuts back, it's literally a human chicken nugget
Grim, why can't we have fun gore like this anymore? It's not even an old film!
There's at least two shots in Elysium where the camera rotates around Matt in such a way that it feels like a third person camera in a video game.
idk why I enjoyed that so much
Underrated post
I have a soft spot for Elysium because of how good the gore was. The overall film is disappointing but some of those shots of people getting blasted were incredible and I don’t even like extreme gore.
blomkamp definitely downloads gore in his personal time
or he's just seen it, living in south africa and all
Elysium is a bad movie but I still rewatch it regularly because it's fun and I like looking at it.
Agreed. I really like the mercs. They're all sadistic buttholes but they have a kino job they obviously love. Living their best life raping and murdering for fun and profit
>I have a soft spot for Elysium because of how good the gore was.
The eternal germanic.
total waste of cool character
scale seems way off
Could be a smaller one they found elsewhere. The one on LV-426 was destroyed
yeah and then the golly green giant splooged on it
>The one on LV-426 was destroyed
No it wasnt. Its one of the biggest plotholes of the aliens series. The ship was safely behind a mountain range at a distance where you need to 6 wheeled vehicle to get to. And also a ship designed for the rigours of deep space would easily be able to withstand a 40mt explosion from a distance.
for me, it's the dropship
all their designs for weapons, vehicles, aircraft are just so good. It's pretty much the only reason I want Blomkamp movies
You should check out his youtube channel Oats Studio if you haven't seen it before
https://youtube.com/@OatsStudios
Its mostly shorts but some are pretty good
Absolute sexo.
check out neil's shorts here:
https://www.youtube.com/@OatsStudios/videos
the "bad president" series makes he think he's a liberal.
>have thousands of magical medical pods that can heal people from literally anything, including having your entire head destroyed by an explosion, for no cost whatsoever
>these things are set up so that they can be deployed en masse from space by fully autonomous robotic medical crews with the push of a button
>they don't have even one of these on the surface even for the staff in the radiation factory because... because the.... uh.... the people who own them are le bad!
it's also blatant propaganda, le white man sacrificing himself for the le hecking oppressed brown masses
On a surface level yes, but I kind of read Jodi fosters character as an antihero
Brutal people like her need to exist to counter the soft magnanimity of the people who take no responsibility for their well-being. It's the same way coddled urbanites are so egalitarian until their policies hurt them enough to matter. Then suddenly they become Hitler. It's better for someone who can handle the burden to be the bad guy because their responses will be measured. Anger a child and it will have a tantrum.
You've apparently never lived on Earth during capitalism. The only thing unrealistic about Elysium is the level of technology. Mankind will NEVER achieve this and it's because of capitalism. Right now most people can't afford to have basic housing and you're talking about technology indistinguishable from magic. Why the frick would plutocrats allow ANYONE to have this if it ever got invented?
Kys commie
I'll kill your entire extended family instead. I live under the oppression of capitalism now. Housing is denied to 3/4 of the population forcing everyone to live with their parents or shack up with 5 strangers like beaners.
And remember, you boomer israelite: hell is real and you're going there. And you're never getting out.
They probably had an NGO pay to install a few on earth and Black folk stole the copper out of the pods and it pissed the elites off so much that they actively want the poor browns to suffer. Makes perfect sense to me
Where do i get bumcore overcoats like this? Is there a bum.com I can get sick merch at?
did she died?
ACTIVATE MITRA
For me, it's Ghostrunner 2
love it
Hey guys how is this movie
I heard it was a soft adaptation of Neuromance4