>actually gimli, we can't go into the mines of Moria. I wanted to break this news to you in private, but Balin's expedition was wiped out. There's a Balrog in there, and it will be the death of us, not to mention the legion of Orcs.
Why the frick was this so hard to state? Was it really worth getting himself killed so he could just say nothing.
Gandalf didn't know how fricked it was. Also he took out a balrog so it was worth in the end.
>Gandalf didn't know how fricked it was.
I WOULD NOT TAKE THE MINES OF MORIA EVER AGAIN LET'S GO OVER AN IMPASSABLE MOUNTAIN INSTEAD
Was this Hackson's work?
In the books they debate it and do try going over the mountain but the mountain hates mortals and rejects them
how tf does a mountain let them pass? i mean. bruh fr?
More or less, yes.
In the book it's Boromir and Aragorn that don't want to go through Moria and the mountain doesn't let them pass not Saruman.
no actually it is in the books, it's like snow giants or some shit though that stops them from going over.
Yeah, it was worse than he thought. Gandalf hadn't passed through Moria for a long time, it was before Balin's expedition.
why didn't gandalf just call the eagles to fly them over the mountain?
Blame Hackson, in the book it's Gandalf who wanted to go through Moria and Aragorn who warns against it.
>Also he took out a balrog so it was worth in the end.
Why? Just let the beast sleep. It didn't bother anybody.
he told the fellowship to run out of the exp range so he could power level and take all the loots for himself.
It destroyed the whole dwarven kingdom and the followup group trying to retake Moria. That devastated the whole area and ensured it would be overrun by fel creatures and be dangerous. Once the Balrog is gone, the Dwarves could move back in and make the mountain and its surroundings safe and prosperous once more.
Oooh, so that is the reason they didn't ride the birds instead.
These, Gandalf knew it was full of goblins/orcs he didn't know fricking mini satan was in there
they had to get to Mordor quick. or something bad would happen...oh
I don't know what you're getting at. Mordor was on the verge of wiping out humanity and would have succeeded if the fellowship's timing was even slightly delayed.
For instance, if gandalf were to take any more than 13 years to read some books about the ring and then if Frodo were to wait any more than another 10 years to even leave the shire
surely such a delay would be too much
That was a mistake in the past, sure, but I don't see how it changes that they were in an urgent situation then and there
Tolkien purists will kill me, but Jackson actually improved a lot of things in Fellowship
Gandalf had to die. Like Jesus. Tolkien was a devout Christian.
But yeah, Gandalf didn't know what had happened. He only had 17 years since learning of the Ring after Bilbo's party.
> Tolkien was a devout Christian.
No, he was a Catholic.
> He only had 17 years since learning of the Ring after Bilbo's party.
In the books, not in the films.
>No, he was a Catholic.
Catholics are the only real Christians, though
Catholics are just more rapey, but all christcucks are dumb homosexuals.
Why do rabbis suck the flayed penises of infants?
Sorry I forgot to mention that I hate israelites too. You gonna call me a israelite atheist now?
Why do rabbis suck the penises of babies?
Ask the israelite or some moron theist. I just want all theists dead.
same reason catholics frick boys
Unironically what is the reason
closet gays (incl. pedos) are hell-bent on attaining power so they can pursue their degeneracy in peace and secrecy. This extends to all systems of power, including but not limited to organized religions (yes, all of them)
reminder that Protestants used to own the media, now atheists do, neither of whom particularly like Catholics, and so they did and still do overreport incidents from 50 years ago while ignoring non-Catholic incidents that occur today, giving a false perception of higher rates of abuse
https://web.archive.org/web/20131110054146/http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=152959036
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/
>t. seething catholic angry whenever people notice how corrupt the catholic church is
check the sauce
who does then? And I know who you're about to say, and they don't like Catholics either
atheists do not own the media. you sound absurd
So Christians can gather up the foreskins and worship them.
Some people wore this on their finger like a magic ring. Very topical.
why do israeli rabbis suck flayed baby penises?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohel
why do so many babies contract herpes from this act?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herpes-babies-israeli-circumcision-ritual-link-rabbis-infants-a7620446.html
idk, why do you worship those rabbis?
Nah, they're just one big organization instead of a ton of fake christian pagans that rape children individually.
Catholicism is the prostitute of Babylon, you idolater satanist fool.
Catholics are Christians dumbfrick
Wrong. Tolkien himself despised all forms of non-Catholic deviations.
Wasn't he friends with C.S Lewis?
Not really. 'Friends' is a bad way to put it.
What would be a better descriptor for their relations?
Honorable contemporaries? I don't know. You can respect or tolerate someone without hating them even if you disagree.
lovers
>friends
Tolkien, who had not been an admirer of Lewis' works, had often criticised Narnia for the over-simplification of the themes that it deals with. In his last interview, he challenged Lewis' portrayal of Fauns:
Raping is hard. This was maybe my answer to Lewis, whom, as much as I mock him, I do occasionally acknowledge. Narnia had a very protestant philosophy: that if the Faun was a good man, the young girls would go unraped. We look at real mythology and it’s not that simple. Lewis can say that Mr. Tumnus became friends and did not rape Lucy for a hundred years, and that he was wise and good. But Lewis doesn’t ask the question: What was Tumnus consent policy? Did he maintain a standing erection? What did he do in times of hags and erectile disfunction? And what about all the dicky? By the end of the Christian allegory, the witch is gone but all of the dicky isn't gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Tumnus pursue a policy of systematic rape and ravage them? Even the little dicky in their little dicky cradles?
heheeeee
Hes a protecuck ignore him, hes a little uppity today because his transexual gay pastor didnt visit him
17 years, it took him 17 years to figure out what it was?
I'm convinced all these dumbass questions about LOTR that constantly get posted here are some kind of shill campaign to get people to think about the Amazon show. It seems like every 30 minutes theres a new thread about this two decades old movie
People have been asking dumbass questions about Lord of the Rings since it was written, moron.
But I'll also admit some of them are warranted. Tolkien's books aren't perfect.
>Tolkien's books aren't perfect.
Name 1 flaw (you can’t)
Eagles
What’s the flaw about eagles?
What do they eat?
They eat deer, sheep, and fish mostly
eagles that big eat fish? no way sir, they probably eat rohan's horses and cattle
tuna can quite often grow to nearly cow-size, and they're not the only large fish out there
The eagles are smaller than a grizzly bear and the grizzly bear lives off salmon.
Why can’t they take the ring to Mordor?
They are not strong enough to carry Frodo they far and the spies of Sauron would see them coming from 1000 miles away and they would have been shot out of the sky in an ambush or attacked by flying Nazgûl
The main point of the Fellowship's plan was utmost secrecy. Sauron's folly was his arrogance and certainty in his (the Ring's) power being irresistible to everyone. He didn't even fathom that someone might resist the Ring enough to consider destroying it. That's why two tiny hobbits dressed as orcs sneaking into Mt. Doom to drop the Ring worked, Sauron never saw it coming. And it barely worked.
The eagles heading towards Mt. Doom would be seen a mile away by Sauron, he would send the Nazgul to keep them at bay, he'd quickly piece together what is going on, and would start guarding the entrance to Mt. Doom forever more, probably sealing it forever. Good guys lose forever because they can no longer destroy the Ring.
In addition to what the others said
>the eagles are seen as a potential risk of keeping the ring to themselves, as like anyone else, they're potentially corruptible
>when they fly over men's territory they usually get shot at because men think they will try to steal their sheep
Okay, I'll name a flaw.
I think too many of the army battle victories were concluded by "allies turn up out of nowhere and turn things around", rather than some sort of good tactics or just a straightforward battle where no reinforcements arrive.
In Hobbit, Battle of the Five Armies had interesting tactics such as use of a chokepoint, and Thorin and co. dropping a wall by surprise on the Orcs and then battling his way. That should have been dramatically satisfying enough to decide the fight, but instead Tolkien decided there were so many Orcs that the Eagles and Beorn had to show up to make the battle winnable.
The Battle of the Hornburg is decided by Erkenbrand's army showing up (though at least it wasn't a deus ex machina, as it was clearly telegraphed to the reader that it would happen) along with an army of Huorns for good measure, which just felt excessive and strangely well timed.
The Battle of the Pelennor Fields is decided by Aragorn turning up with reinforcements from Southern Gondor.
The Battle of the Black Gate is, while ultimately decided by the Ring being destroyed, also saved from defeat by the arrival of the Eagles to fight the Nazgul.
Only army battles that happened "off-screen" (Osgiliath's defence, Battle of Dale, Destruction of Isengard, Battle of Dagorlad, the Siege of Barad-Dur) were won without reinforcements.
It's been a long time since I've read Silmarillion, but I don't remember any battle tactics being mentioned.
One more flaw is there's a bit too much singing in the books, though that's personal preference; and Bombadil was not strictly necessary. Otherwise, they're perfect classics.
>The North Sea version of the Iliad doesn’t focus on boring micromanagement of men and material
That’s a feature
The Iliad has battles being won in other ways than reinforcements.
In fact it indeed does have 'boring' passages about micromanagement of men and materiel.
eg:
>haggling/negotiating over payment and collateral and who will provide what army and what hostages will be kept to ensure they do so and how much Hector's body is worth
>construction of equipment
>seeking out supplies
>truce agreements to give both sides time to burn the dead
>construction of walls and trenches
But at any rate I'm not saying Tolkien needed to go into Aragorn's tax policy, just that a couple of battles could have been resolved better. For LOTR, keep the Huorns at Isengard, then either:
>at Pelennor, have Aragorn and the southern Gondorians show up simeltaneously with Rohan, rather than in the nick of time, and win the battle by Aragorn using some kind of actual tactics
or
>at Black Gate, have the Men preserve themselves through martial skill, with the Eagles going straight to Frodo because why the frick would they save the Men they don't even care about
That's all.
Jackson hurt the worldbuilding but improved the baseline action required for it to be an action movie watchable in theatres.
>Jackson hurt the worldbuilding
Jackson opens up with an epic story about the second age and the ring
Book opens up with a fricking hobbit history lesson
>Jackson opens up with an epic story about the second age and the ring
>Book opens up with a fricking hobbit history lesson
>Jackson hurt the worldbuilding but improved the baseline action required for it to be an action movie watchable in theatres.
Wow anon, you literally just read the exact point I made right back to me, good job
"epicness" =/= "worldbuilding"
Starting with a cooler story hook does not automatically mean improving the worldbuilding
>win the battle by Aragorn using some kind of actual tactics
Aragorn’s arrival produces a series of sudden rapid swings in the battle which are all almost entirely dependent on morale. At first, the watchmen of the city catch sight of the fleet closing in and nearly panic, trying desperately and without success to call the army in the field back to the walls (ROTK, 133). The armies of Mordor, on their last legs but a moment before, “were enheartened, and filled with a new lust and fury they came yelling to the onset” (ROTK, 134). Meanwhile, Eomer and the Rohirrim prepare for a desperate, doomed last stand, halting their assault and trying to form one last shieldwall. At this point, the balance of men and weapons on the field has not changed at all – this sudden reversal comes only from the news.
Battles often turn on such shifts in morale or sudden terrors. The Battle of Delium (424 BC), between Athens and the Boeotians provides one of the more dramatic examples. The Athenian right wing was initially victorious, smashing the Boeotian left – it looked as though Athens would carry the battle. But as the Athenians struggled to reform to sweep the Boeotian center, a relatively small Boeotian cavalry detachment, which had been hidden behind a hill, rode up. It was not so large a force the Athenians could not have defeated it, but the Athenian soldiers thought it a fresh army (not realizing it was just part of the army they were already fighting) and panicked. The victorious Athenian right disintegrated into a rout almost instantly and Athens lost the battle on the very cusp of victory. Morale effects often outweigh physical ones.
That focus on morale gets to a truth about warfare: the winner of a battle is not the one that kills the most, but the one who makes the enemy run away. And the winner of a war is not the side which kills the most, but the side which can break the will of the enemy to fight.
>The armies of Mordor, on their last legs but a moment before
Stuff and nonsense.
Before the part you quoted, Rohan's army is stated to be unable to deal with the mumakil effectively, outnumbered by THREE times by the Haradrim, and then MORE Orcs, Variags, Easterlings, etc., who were in reserve, begin to stream out of Osgiliath. The situation was very dire at this stage.
So Tolkien says: "It was even as the day thus began to turn against Gondor and their hope wavered". In other words, even before the ships showed up, Rohan and Gondor were both pretty much guaranteed to lose the fight against Mordor at this stage; and their morale was not relevant, as they both stayed to fight because they had nowhere to run anyway.
And if we want to talk realism, morale didn't decide all real-life battles, either.
I would have loved to read something more like the battle you quoted, if someone had made an intelligent, planned tactical move to reserve some troops behind a hill. Instead, it was simply Aragorn showing up on time unintentionally with enough guys to turn things around.
If you personally think Pelennor is fine, then the Black Gate battle could have been just as good a candidate to change. But the point stands that 4/4 army battles shown in LOTR/Hobbit are saved from certain defeat at the last minute by the arrival of reinforcements. LOTR's battles would have been better if they had played out even a little differently.
He's directly quoting a blog anon
Because the plan to destroy the ring is a secret. No one knows they have it or what they're planning doing with it. If they just fly eagles into Mordor they'll get shot down by the thousands of archers hanging around in there. Also, the eagles aren't just animals, they're sentient god-like beings that are susceptible to the ring's power.
>the eagles would be seen
And Sauron wouldn't be able to do anything about it if his entire army was amassed to fight Aragorn at the Black Gate.
They would have had to carry the ring for about ten minutes.
They didn't fly so good.
Instead of taking the ring to the mountain, why not bring the mountain to the ring?
>amazon lawds of the sheeit
Yeah nobody is watching that shit
There been constant LOTR threads on Cinemaphile since forever you stupid summer gaymotron. Also everyone knows shitflix LOTR is gonna tank.
Newhomosexual tourist
Why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor?
people asking dumbass questions bring out the lore autists to correct them, which is what the rest of us enjoy.
Well hello summergay thanks for joining us
>white people everywhere suddenly don't love their fantasy bullshit because OH NO corporation is making new shit
lotr movies are one of the most talked about and the GOAT of epic fantasy. Why would topics suddenly be shill threads when your racist fricks hate the new series? Paranoid troglodyte. Get a life and maybe you won't notice patterns that aren't there.
moron
Hadn't even thought about it until you brought it up, anon. Jackson's LOTR is in a league of it's own, it's very easy to divorce from the other low quality shite that's out there.
>some kind of shill campaign to get people to think about the Amazon show
i think that ill never watch it, not even pirated, because it has black people in it
>why are people still posting about the greatest fantasy film of all time and one of the best films of the last few decades
hmm I really wonder
Gandalf didn't know that Balin was dead and there was a balrog in Moira. When he had passed through before he felt uneasy and didn't meet anyone. So he maybe had suspicions but he didn't know.
>Gandalf didn't know there was a balrog in Moira
Yes he did, everyone did, even Ironfoot saw it.
That's not true, Same as Gandalf Ironfoot suspected that their was an evil in Moria but he didn't see it, know it was a balrog or even know if it 100% existed.
why didn't they fly the eagles just outside of Mordor then cast invisibility and just throw the ring in?
>using invisibility against an enemy famous for seeing the unseen
Way to plunge the world into darkness, anon
The Eagles were on tour for most of the journey. It was simple dumb luck that the show in Des Moines was cancelled on the day the ring was thrown into Mount Doom.
Unironically makes more sense than Tolkien's, "the birds were very prideful creatures."
Do you also take part in ant wars?
Yes. And I do so willingly and joyously. Those red ants have been bullied by the big black horde long enough. My ants; I see in their eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of ants fails, when we forsake our insect friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. This day, I stomp.
>Trying to use invisibility against a faction whose leader is a giant eye on a tower
Eagles don't have to do shit for landlubbers. They can frick off across the sea any time they please. Who wants to fight ghosts riding dragons? Not Gwaihir, no thank you.
This.
>but what about the eagles waaaaaah
What about Elrond? Or Galadriel? Or any of those Elvish bastards who could have gone and helped? Or Ents? Or Beorn? Or Tom?
The book actually talked about the council considering giving the ring to Tom.
Problem is Tom doesnt give a shit about the Ring and would easily lose it.
goofy aah Tom Bombadil giving the ring to a tree or some shit
Last thing the world needed was old man willow snatching that thing up.
Why they didn't have Tom Bombadil in the movies? It's funny that he is extremely old and powerful and because of that he doesn't understand or care what is going on.
Ent's don't give a shit, Beorn doesn't give a shit, The famous Elves are giant red lights basically proclaiming you're doing some nefarious shit. They even considered giving it to the gigachad Glorfindel but realized he was too based for a secret mission
>lol anyone who could do anything about it didn't care
Is this not realistic? literally "not my problem"
Invisibility is a level 30 power, and Gandalf was only level 25 when they started. They needed to grind in Moria to unlock the power anyway
There's no evidence you can just "cast invisibility". There is only phasing into the wraith realm using the ring.
Gandalf thought the ring was a lesser magic item originally. It stands to reason there is such a thing as true magical invisibility, or he'd have been tipped off a lot earlier about the ring's true nature.
Convincing the Eagles to fly them all the way to Mordor required a DC 31 Handle Animal check and the highest the group had was a +9 so even with a Nat 20 they could never have done it.
fricking merry and pipin should have been leveling wisdom not dexterity
Aragorn is a ranger why would he not have a higher Handle Animal check?
Couldn't they just use another volcano?
Sauron has an eye of true sight
Gandalf's roll was just to guide the lesser beings. They chose to go through Moria despite his advice.
Assuming Gandalf did know about orcs, they are just another challenge for the fellowship to overcome. The balrog wasn't intended to be part of the game though.
>>>roll
learn English
In the movies yes. In the books he is fine with Moria so rethink your shitty opinion
Could Sauron see cloaked ships, like a Klingon Bird of Prey?
maybe. he was a noncorporeal being himself
What good would that do? The Gap of Rohan was being watched by Saruman and the mountain was impassable. Even if he did know all that, it was their only option
>The Gap of Rohan was being watched by an incompetent old man who hadn't mustered his forces yet
>better risk moria and dick around in lorien long enough for Saruman to assemble his attack goons and ambush us
Why would a giant bird of prey want to eat fricking seeds? What a stupid post
he's talking about cum moron
He only knew about the hordes of orcs,(which everyone else knew as well) and had suspicions about what Durins Bane could be.
The worst part was how easy it is to get lost down there with no way to get more food or water
They had water wells at least
Id rather drink dwarf piss than a goblin infested well
At least dwarf pee would probably give you a buzz
Why didn't they kill Pippin when he got Gandalf killed? Why didn't Aragorn peel off his fingernails one by one, as Gimli stomps those big dirty Hobbit feet to a mangled mess? Why didn't Legolas shoot through his kidney with expert marksmanship so Boromir could reach in and uncoil the Took's rancid innards? Why didn't Frodo and Sam take turns punching him in the head and strangling him? Merry wouldn't have done much but watch and know he deserved it.
Because Merry and Galdalf were lovers according to Rowling
>merry
So you're saying Merry would have helped in stringing up Pippin to the trees and leaving him to the mercy of insects and dysentery until the Orcs caught up with him?
because lotr is capeshit for kids
>Hethor-posting
Is this the Lord of the Rings crossover with Book of the New Sun we've all been expecting?
because sadistic behaviour for unfair reasons only came along in the age of men.
we are like orks now, devolved and moronic and broken
Why were Gandalf and Sauron's man the only wizards around?
Because the 2 blue wizards became weeaboo's out east and Radagast was too busy fricking woodland animals to be of any help
Why did the messenger of G*d lose to some smelly geezer in white robe 1v1? How did he let himself get BTFO so much?
>let's see, wizard colours, uh...white, yes, and...gray, and black, no wait not black, that's Sauron, and hmm.....blue.....blue, I'm sure I missed that one....and....brown. Yes yes, my colourful wizards.
it was a metaphor for WWI when England saved France despite it being much more convenient to land in the Netherlands
So Sauron was Hitler and Morgoth was the devil. Bravo Tolkein.
No it isn’t.
>I don't want to reference other things in my grand epic.
>Now, there's this evil king who's a wraith from earlier I decided but he's much more evil now that he's not a ringwraith, just a normal wraith but a king, mind you, and there's a prophecy that no man born of woman that can stop him, so there's this woman who stops him, what an original idea, the likes of which I've not heard before.
>Also, there's this god, he's just the one god, but also turns himself into many gods, and there's this one who is evil because he's selfish and spiteful. Quite novel, if I say so myself.
Yes it was worth it Gandalf had to level up before the final confrontation with Saruman. Also since Gandalf and Durin’s Bane were both Maia, it is at least conceivable that they knew each other before the creation of Arda. Gandalf probably figured he was still a jerk.
Essentially Gandalf is supposed to be an angelic advisor that offers guidance but is not allowed to intentionally push people away from what seems "fated." He advises Aragorn on his road to king but does not directly govern his path or push him away from a path. He offers council and makes requests of the Fellowship, but commands nobody. It is not his place.
He's also essentially a demigod servant whose job is to neutralize the enemy demigod servants if he runs into them. He suspects there's a Balrog in Moria, a demigod servant of, well, Satan. Gandalf is honorbound and dutybound to stand against the most elite forces of evil, he and the Balrog are like adults in a kid playground compared to everyone else. What Gandalf is to Eru Iluvatar, the Balrog is that to Melkor/Morgoth. Gandalf can't pussy out of confronting him, so if the Fellowship decides to follow the path to Moria then Gandalf has to perform his duties by agreeing with their decision.
>Gandalf is honorbound and dutybound to stand against the most elite forces of evil
Is that why he pissed himself when Moria was first mentioned and was actively avoiding it the whole time as far as to get himself and his party killed off of the top on a mountain?
He walked through it by himself, but taking a party that including 4 unseasoned hobbits, one of which bore the ring, through an orc infested mountain was too risky
Cause even christ asked if it were possible that this burden would be taken away from him and gandalf is a type of christ
Aragorn didn't want to go through Moria and wanted to go over the mountain instead.
I don't understand why they changed this from the books. In the books literally everyone knew Moria was fricked (including Gimli) and it was actually Gandalf's suggestion to go that way because Caradhas seemed impassable.
I didn't like it much either. But I think Jackson knew much of the audience hadn't read the books, so would be unfamiliar with Moria, and movies generally need little twists where the audience thinks everything is fine only to find out it's actually dangerous. So he decided to use that on Moria even though it's very silly to book readers.
>There's a nameless evil down there, Gimli, too horrible to speak of
Way scarier than what we got.
>the subtle Black characteristics
based
love all LOTR art that doesn't ape the style of the films though
In the book Gandalf is in favor of going through Moria and Aragorn is resistant to the idea.
average brazillian
>TSA hero preventing average shart from going through security
i just see buffalo bill
Yes because it was all necessary in order for him to power up into Gandalf the White so he can add his power boost to the forces of man and improve their chances at winning against the armies of Mordor.
Reminder, Gandalf fought the Balrog up the winding stairs for a really long time. Months even.
>Endless stairs
>Has an end
WTF TOLKIEN, YOU HACK??
What did he eat?
Meat was back on the menu.
>Months even
You mean 10 days, anon
I have put your idea into action through the Power of AI:
Gimli is working in the mines of Moria when he suddenly hears a noise. He turns around and see Gandalf coming towards him. Gandalf looks serious and Gimli knows something is wrong.
"Gimli, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but your family is dead."
Gimli is devastated. He sinks to the ground and starts to cry. Gandalf sits down next to him and tries to comfort him.
"It's okay, Gimli. I'm here for you."
Gimli starts to calm down and soon he is leaning into Gandalf's chest. Gandalf strokes his hair and Gimli feels safe.
"Gandalf, please make me forget," Gimli begs.
"I can't do that, but I can make you feel better," Gandalf says as he starts to unbutton his shirt.
Gimli is confused but he doesn't resist as Gandalf starts to undress him. Soon Gandalf is kissing his neck and Gimli can feel his hard wiener pressing against his back. Gandalf pushes him down onto the ground and Gimli moans as he enters him.
Gandalf fricks him
>Balrog appears
>'I have met my match, the counterspell nearly broke me, I am spent'
>*Fights for 7 more days while climbing a mountain*
Was Gandalf just lying?
The Valar put put power limiters on all the Istari before they left Valinor. These limiters make them appear to be old men (they cant change their appearance), require them to eat drink and rest (like humans), eliminates most of their memories of Valinor and keeps them from using their max strength (or even remembering it) unless they have GREAT need.
Chances are good that Gandalf didnt even remember he could push the Balrog's shit in until he tried. Which put the Fellowship at a huge disadvantage.
The limiters are in place to keep the remaining maiar from fricking people over in middle earth, but honestly it caused as many problems as it solved.
Source: Of the Wizards in "Morgoth's Ring"
He got to use his true power because he was legally allowed to in order to essentially cover for the Valar fricking up and leaving around a super demon entirely beyond the capability of mortals to deal with.
>but... what about Sauron then?
Fricking Valar!
it was pretty bullshit when sauron and his numenorean fleet got destroyed by eru himself...
i'd have been like "well there's no point to trying to win anymore"
>why didn't the eagles—
You are not smart for pointing this out, and I find it extremely odd how LotR gets the full brunt of this moronation when such a "criticism" is applicable to pretty much every movie with a villain, ever.
You have to admire the autism of combing through hours of footage for a 2 second deleted shot
pretty sure autism was responsible for the classic
which was made way before there were video editing programs
>which was made way before there were video editing programs
anon...
>gandalf trying to quit smoking
lmao are they serious
>brings a wagon full of gunpowder into a hamlet
>shocked when they call him "disturber of peace"
>gunpowder
Why didn't Gandalf just teach Gondor how to make fire arms?
>and he was a good friend
>the plan they went with worked
>everyone complains and says they should have done it differently
why, what's wrong with people? the method they used worked 100% of the time, what is this autistic obsession to improve on something that worked perfectly? frodo aced that shit, finessed it LITERALLY TO PERFECTION but all these armchair sports fans come up with some gay shit instead when they're already staring at a homerun. human nature is stupid.
I agree, cheers
what about the droid attacks on the wookies?
Why didn't they simply use siege warfare to destroy Sauron's eye tower? Even the ending shows Sauron couldn't survive the collapsing of his tower
The tower only collapsed because the ring was destroyed. Siege weapons wouldn't do anything to it.
1 - good luck actually getting anything there in the air past the Nazgul or on the ground past literal millions of orcs that outnumbered all fighting men, elves, and dwaves alive by probably 10:1 or more
2 - Stronger Elves and Men already sieged Barad-Dur in the Second Age, killed Sauron's physical body, and destroyed the tower except for its foundations (which could not be destroyed because they were made with the power of the Ring), but none of that actually killed Sauron's spirit, so he just floated to Dol Guldur, then back to Barad-Dur later. To actually kill Sauron you have to kill the Ring
3 - the movie shows Sauron's tower collapsing but it's more symbolic, that's not what actually kills him
>Sauron has returned
>I must make haste and seek counsel with my good friend and trusted ally, Sauron'sman, at his home in Orctank
>with luck I shall encounter no orcs
You cannot possibly expect me to believe this shit.
No wonder subtlety is dead nowadays.
Why didn't Frodo just hide the ring up his ass?
Because the Ring can grow and shrink of its own free will. Another flaw with this plan is that the Ring becomes heavier and heavier the closer Frodo gets to Orodruin and the forge where it was made.
I thought that the elves arriving at Helms Deep was cool and a good way of showing the other Free Folks sacrifice during the WOTR
Plus it also pisses off book/lore purists immeasurably and that gives me joy
>i am incapable of recognizing hamfisted propaganda
Somehow Sauron has returned.
in the book gandalf didnt know it was a balrog until it used its magic to break down a door the gandalf had magically sealed. even then he didnt know for sure it was a balrog, only that it was incredibly powerful.
dont blame tolkien for peter jackson being a hack.
trivia:
gandalf and the balrog are actually the same race. the balrogs followed melkor, used their magics for evil, and took a portion of melkors power, making them physically monsteous. but both the wizards and the balrogs or of the same origins, the magical immortal race of the maiar.
It's worth asking why Gandalf accompanied the fellowship at all. Without him, the Fellowship is just a multiracial band of travelers. With Gandalf, it was obvious to Saruman and everyone else that they were up to something.
>just a multiracial band of travelers
>4 Hobbits, known never to leave the shire, right after the shire was assaulted by the Nazgul.
>the last heir of isildur
>an elf prince
>de facto prince of Gondor
I don't think it was widely known that Strider was the heir of Isildur at this time. Strider was previously wandering at the border of Morder looking for Gollum and Sauron apparently didn't notice or care. As for Legolas, he was deliberately chosen to represent the Elves because any more prominent Elf would have attracted attention to the Fellowship's quest. But then Gandalf should have attracted even more attention.
In the books, which are superior to Hacksons shitty adaptation, it was Aragorn who warned against going into Moria while Gandalf was suggesting it
Why didnt Elrond walk infront of Isildur when he was leaving and then trip him over and make him drop the ring to the ground and then kick the ring into the lava? and then just quickly run away from that area so Isildur doesnt realized
Why didn't Radaghast show up at the battle for Minas Tirith with a gigantic army of animals and riding a large rabbit? Did they lazy frick get high and miss the whole war?
After Sauron's destroyed and everythings calmed down, did Gandalf go east and find the two Blue wizards and b***h slap them for not helping out?
They did help out
They were fighting against the easternlings
More like starting a cult and making easternlings be insane and demonic
It would have been cool if the blue wizards showed up and were evil and Gandalf had to 1v2 them
>send five wizards to earth to help out
>4/5 either turn evil or lose their way
>the bumbling old grey one has to carry the burden of them all
Why were they such shit
The key to writing more LOTR content is putting the mystery back in the box. The sauron and melkor plotlines are concluded, tie-ins only weaken the whole. Here's how I would do it:
-three young hobbits, on an adventure in an unspecified woodland, implicitly Fangorn
-one knows woodcraft, one is reckless, one has a famous last name
-it's a lonely journey (like quest for fire) with mundane and gross threats. At no point is there any mention of the year or age, and many trees are thunderstruck
-outwardly, they're going the site of a battle, but the reckless one really wants to see magic
-they're attacked by predators and chased into the hills. One falls into a cave and they all get trapped trying to save him. Underground is a nightmare ecosystem.
-By torchlight, they follow traces of goblin habitation into caverns of impossible grandeur. Scene: it's completely dark but you can feel that the space goes on for miles. In the distance, a tiny line suddenly becomes blinding as the sun passes by windows in the stone, sending thin shafts of light across the huge dark expanse.
insert disc 2 to continue
-paths keep ending in cave-ins and there's a noise like something is stalking them in the darkness. They squeeze through smaller cracks in desperation, down to their last candle stub
-Dopey and Gropey are swept away by rushing water, Sleazy hacks the stone wall and curses his ambition. The echoes don't stop, and he realizes he can hear someone working in the distance. He stumbles into a dwarven tunnel with miners and warriors anticipating a goblin attack
-dwarves are reopening old mines and cities, they give Sleazy a bath and bandage his wounds
-the others are found downstream at a subterranean lake, drinking with bearded dwarf women
-after many jests and friendships made, they set off renewed from the mountaintop, in sight of the battle-town where their grandfathers fought.
-but as they reenter the forest, the ground is worse than ever. Huge slabs of stone and thorny cliffs block the way. In the thick of it, they realize they're already on the battlefield. The area is littered with skeletons where an army died upon the crags. The height of adventure, men leaping to their deaths amid convulsed earth and flesh, all for some purpose long forgotten.
-their last enemy is a great evil tree, that consumed many dead and wounded. It mesmerizes Gropey and starts to swallow him, the others struggle to free him as it gives visions of themselves deep in the cave with no light. Eventually Sleazy uses some dwarf talmud sorcery to free his buddy.
-they arrive half-dead in the town and are welcomed by relatives. Recuperating in the inn, all three of them look out at the mountain looming overhead and shiver. The adventure was almost too mighty for them.
Jackson added some horror elements that gave his version a sense of scale, of oppressive bigness and significance, that I think suited middle-earth well. From the hobbit point of view, terror is a realistic reaction to most of the things that happen. I would keep the horror and ramp up the survival elements, so the audience feels small in a vast fantastical world.
>why this
>why that
It all worked out well in the end, so there's no reason they should have done anything different
>but Balin's expedition was wiped out
Gandalf did not know that for certain - only that communications had stopped for a long time. A bit odd but there were so many things going on in Middle Earth at the time that it was not seen as crucial to investigate. In fact, going into Moria might have been part of a desire to settle that knowledge.The movie botched it entirely with Saruman stating 'YOU KNOW WHAT THEY AWOKE!' which basically implies Gandalf was already aware, and in fact if Saruman and Gandalf knew, then undoubtedly Elrond and other high and wise figures would have also which would have meant Aragorn would probably have known through the grapevine too. The whole movie set-up for going into Moria was a complete butchering of the book.
The whole trilogy was Hackson butchering the books
t. Christopher Tolkien
Alright so this has been bothering me. In FOTR, Bilbo uses the ring to turn invisible at his birthday party. But Gandalf doesn't really seem too surprised. And Gandalf knew exactly where Bilbo would be when he appeared (his house). It kind of implies that Gandalf knows that Bilbo has this magic ring that makes him invisible. Gandalf even makes a comment about magical items and that there's always a concern with them.
Does Gandalf know about the ring, but only suspects it's the "One Ring" when Bilbo flips out about the idea of losing it? If so, Is Gandalf just a shitty fricking friend for not looking into this magical item that Bilbo has? Wouldn't he want to know way more as soon as he learned about it?
He suspected it was the ring and went away for research. Whatever research that was. He didnt want to take the ring with him because afraid of corruption
I guess he thought the ring would be safe, it was with Bilbo for a long time after all
It is a kid's book, dint think much about it
Speaking of LotR which disc edition is the best?
Blue-Ray theatrical. The extended cuts are terrible, and I'm sick of hearing that they aren't.
Why were the Dwarves fricking skeletons by the time they got to Moria? How long ago did Balin and friends get wiped out? Had Gimli not been back home in half a century or something?
Gimli had never been to Moria. The entire city had been lost to the Dwarves for more than 200 years. Balin's expedition hadn't sent word back to his family in over a decade.
>Balin's expedition hadn't sent word back to his family in over a decade.
You'd think that might have tipped them off that something went wrong.
there's more than the balrog in moria and kharadras was much more of an obstacle than they thought it would be due to a few factors (maybe sauronman too but that's never really explained in the book and left a mystery) but it was actually more dangerous generally to go through moria and while a single person could do it and did like aragorn getting a group through there would increase the risk and danger. gandalf also didn't know what happened to balin's expedition.
Why didnt they just fly over moira usüng eagles?
>Why the frick was this so hard to state? Was it really worth getting himself killed so he could just say nothing.
Gimli was evading taxes so Gandalf wanted to send him to the silver offshores.
Can't Gandalf teleport? He teleportes from bottom of Moria after leveling up right? Why didn't he just tp to mount doom and dump the ring
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