I love 12 Monkeys, and the ending makes it. It's so sad, knowing that Cole is essentially always going to be caught in this time loop. He is always going to see himself die in the future, which in turn influences his decisions, and leads to him dying. Always. He can never save the world, he'll always be stuck going round and round in time, forever.
worse is predestination.
Shit is so surreal that I cant understand if the protag even realises the shit he is in.
Not a kino movie like 12 Blacks but it is go frick yourself troony the movie, and the time loop is a fricking helish existence
>I love 12 Monkeys, and the ending makes it. It's so sad, knowing that Cole is essentially always going to be caught in this time loop. He is always going to see himself die in the future, which in turn influences his decisions, and leads to him dying. Always. He can never save the world, he'll always be stuck going round and round in time, forever.
Low IQ take. Its not a loop for him. He literally dies once. Youre just seeing the younger version of him at the end of his finite time. He doesn't get to do it all over again. Hes literally dead lmao
Primer definitely has a paradox, it's just that they made up some sort of time sickness as the result of that paradox. It doesn't just suddenly go away though.
Primer definitely has a paradox, it's just that they made up some sort of time sickness as the result of that paradox. It doesn't just suddenly go away though.
Primer
Explain this homosexuals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Primer/comments/mxq7xh/either_major_plothole_or_im_misunderstanding
Thanks for supporting my theory that all redditors are dishonest psychopaths
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're a duplicitous, coward. If you're a man with any testicular fortitude you would've simply addressed the plothole instead of weasling your way out with the "hurr durr, reddit" excuse.
11 months ago
Anonymous
what plothole
11 months ago
Anonymous
Click the link
[...]
[...]
Explain this homosexuals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Primer/comments/mxq7xh/either_major_plothole_or_im_misunderstanding
but let's be honest, you're too much of a mangina to do it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
why do lefties always have the same insults
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not being able to address an argument like you is a typical lefty trait. Cowardly little pussy, kek.
11 months ago
Anonymous
this is really important for you isnt it
11 months ago
Anonymous
If it isn't for you, why do you keep responding?
11 months ago
Anonymous
you say that like making a post on Cinemaphile uses so many resources and so much effort that the reason has to be important
11 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't even fricking open it
Degenerates like you belong on a cross
>Name one time travel movie/story that doesn’t have some kind of plot hole/paradox.
A plothole and a causality loop are not the same thing you moron lol
Paradoxes aren't plot holes moron
A plot hole is a plot hole, and you can't dismiss it as le paradox just becasue you don't understand paradoxes and internal logic
>Chink overlord gives her his phone number at the conference that happened because she called him in the past with his phone number that she learned at that conference for the first time.
Definitely not a plothole, just a le paradox that you can't into 🙂
>just a le paradox that you can't into 🙂
It is not a paradox at all, it is the entire point of the movie, that time is being seen non linear, so she is experiencing the cause and effect of her actions simultaneously.
It is literally the whole point of the movie.
iirc she even understands a word, that she does not yet know by reading her own book explaining the language in the future, after she knows the language.
If anything, the whole time idea posits that our futures are already defined, which is the most intriguing thing in the movie as the aliens already knew exactly what was going to happen at all times, including abbot getting rekt.
Yes, time is supposed to be non-linear after you learn their funky language, but they're literally introducing a scenario that would've never happened in the first place, because she never knew the number of the chink in the first place.
This isn't plot hole, I just explained >so she is experiencing the cause and effect of her actions simultaneously
I suppose if it is a smooth brain watching it they cannot understand it as they cannot think in abstracts so they are like "its a plot hole because time is linear, how can she learn something from the future"
When the entire fricking movie is about time NOT being linear
Are you one of these smooth brains too?
Anyway it is a great movie and does a great job and covering how governments would react from first contact like that, but is bogged down with amy addams shit acting and her whole dead child sub plot, which is shit, and then to add to that it has reremy jenner fricking every other scene up too.
That's not a plot hole or a paradox you stupid frick, it's a causality loop. I didn't think it was possible to get filtered by such a simple story but here you are. Maybe Marvel is more your speed.
>12 Monkeys is shit
i keep forgetting about this. what a dogshit movie. I fricking hate terry gilliam >what if bruce willis was a drooling moron for 2 hours straight?
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's literally every bruce willis movie
11 months ago
Anonymous
>remember seeing the frames from the movie as a kid >the premise sounds awesome >loved Bruce Willis since Die Hard >couldn't wait to watch it >finally downloaded it >wacky soundtrack choices >cartoony sound effects and Monthy Python-esque decorations >wacky characters >le satire mixed in with the serious tone
it was not what I expected
The plothole is inherent to the plot what are you talking about. The entire theme of the movie is importance of experiences regardless of their connection to time.
nobody here even watched lol. dislaimer: I am a man (male) and not a sjw, I just like the film
Apart from the plot containing a female linguist who is much more intelligent than a famous white male scientist, not that much.
>female linguist who is much more intelligent than a famous white male scientist
female linguist is better in solving linguistic problems than a physicist, yes. he is good at physics and stuff
A woman has to step in to control a group of reactionary men who want to either rush communication or just kill the ayys. That's about it honestly.
true, but the reason is not solely because she is stronk woman but it's plot reasons
Americans decoded alien language while Chinks almost went to war with them.
Real reason why Cinemaphileg hates it.
>Americans decoded alien language
nope, pakistani scientists did
I might be a little biased because when I saw Arrival I had albo been reading Slaughterhouse 5 by Vonnegut so it enhanced my experience, Martian was ok too
I watched this yesterday for the first time and I felt it was a bit dishonest. Time isn't linear. That is the reality we live in but that can't be used to explain a paradox that this movie attempts to explain.
They didn't even have the courtesy to explain what the humans would help the aliens with in 3000 years.
>Time isn't linear. That is the reality we live in but that can't be used to explain a paradox that this movie attempts to explain.
lol wut
WTF are you talking about
You're right, I possibly was having an aneurysm when I posted that. What I was thinking of was that time is relative. It was other posts in this thread mentioning linearity that threw me off.
I hate the fake romance angles included in sci-fi movies today. Interstellar was ruined by that pretentious love is the fifth dimension agenda. Why can't we make more movies like the martian without self-inserting the director's romantic gay agendas?
>Why can't we make more movies like the martian?
Absolute garbage reddit shit. Any Black person who asks for sci-fi without any exploration of the human condition needs to rope.
>Plenty of human condition in the martian more genuine
There's nothing genuine about The Martian and it explores nothing about the human codition. It's an empty movie made to pander to people who say "Science is awesome" "omg, I understood that pop culture reference".
The human condition is genuine. The fear of dying, the fight for survival etc. That's not pretentious, you can shit on the scientific details all you like, but the humanity of committing as much resources as they did to save one person is why the movie is loved not some romantic bullshit about saving aliens or aliens revealing love as the fifth dimension.
>The human condition is genuine. The fear of dying, the fight for survival etc.
I can say this about literally any marvel movie. I can say this about Fast and the Furious and the slop The Rock stars. They're always about some shit like family, trust, honor or some "human" element but paying lip service to any of these ideas is not a genuine exploration of any idea. > is why the movie is loved
By redditors like you, yes.
Did i hurt your pweety witto feelings chud or are you just moronic enough that the only association your low iq brain could come up with is capeshit in a discussion about romance agendas in scifi?
>Pulls stuff out of it's ass about how knowing a new language will let you see the future >Hopes you overlook this fact by trying to be emotional over dead children
It's a dumb movie reliant on appeal to emotion. >Woman struggles to prevent war and save aliens >Doesn't even try to help her daughter or change her future
I hate this fricking human saves aliens trope. What do advanced aliens need saving for, especially by humans? Its extremely shallow thinking which relies on the supposed anthropomorphic nature of aliens.
Primer is shit but it's not shit because of any plotholes, it is just pseud wankery made by and for stemgays to feel smarter than they really are. the movie actually has nothing of substance to say. it insists upon itself.
the moment i nutted in ur moms stinky pussy
daddy!!!!
Name one time travel movie/story that doesn’t have some kind of plot hole/paradox.
HP3 Prisoner of Azkaban
12 Monke's
I love 12 Monkeys, and the ending makes it. It's so sad, knowing that Cole is essentially always going to be caught in this time loop. He is always going to see himself die in the future, which in turn influences his decisions, and leads to him dying. Always. He can never save the world, he'll always be stuck going round and round in time, forever.
worse is predestination.
Shit is so surreal that I cant understand if the protag even realises the shit he is in.
Not a kino movie like 12 Blacks but it is go frick yourself troony the movie, and the time loop is a fricking helish existence
>I love 12 Monkeys, and the ending makes it. It's so sad, knowing that Cole is essentially always going to be caught in this time loop. He is always going to see himself die in the future, which in turn influences his decisions, and leads to him dying. Always. He can never save the world, he'll always be stuck going round and round in time, forever.
Low IQ take. Its not a loop for him. He literally dies once. Youre just seeing the younger version of him at the end of his finite time. He doesn't get to do it all over again. Hes literally dead lmao
Primer
Primer definitely has a paradox, it's just that they made up some sort of time sickness as the result of that paradox. It doesn't just suddenly go away though.
>Primer definitely has a paradox
Go on, we're listening
Explain this homosexuals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Primer/comments/mxq7xh/either_major_plothole_or_im_misunderstanding
>had to look up "Primer plot holes"
>linked a literal r*ddit post
fricking lmao, just kys to save your honor at this point
Are you guys saying you can't disprove a reddit post? Low IQ, kek.
No we're not saying that, thanks for asking.
Concession accepted. You two are too dumb to refute a redditor.
Concession accepted. Primer is certified kino with no plot holes.
I just listed out a plothole. You were too cowardly to refute it. You lost, I won.
>I just listed
lmao
Concession accepted cuck 🙂
Thanks for supporting my theory that all redditors are dishonest psychopaths
You're a duplicitous, coward. If you're a man with any testicular fortitude you would've simply addressed the plothole instead of weasling your way out with the "hurr durr, reddit" excuse.
what plothole
Click the link
but let's be honest, you're too much of a mangina to do it.
why do lefties always have the same insults
Not being able to address an argument like you is a typical lefty trait. Cowardly little pussy, kek.
this is really important for you isnt it
If it isn't for you, why do you keep responding?
you say that like making a post on Cinemaphile uses so many resources and so much effort that the reason has to be important
I wouldn't even fricking open it
Degenerates like you belong on a cross
>www.shittit.com/r/iamagayget
You have to go back
I can't.
Primer is filled with plotholes like this. It's unironically a shit film.
The thing I hate about Primer is the fricking pacing. It starts super slow, and then by the end it feels like every scene is skipping 6 pages ahead
Primer was a flop. So there aren't a lot of people nitpicking its plot, so its pseud fans claim it’s the perfect time travel film.
How the frick was a 7k movie a flop?
He lied about the budget. It also only made 800K.
>He lied about the budget
Proof?
I tried watching this movie twice and fell asleep. That's something that normally doesn't happen.
Groundhog Day
Not time travel.
>Name one time travel movie/story that doesn’t have some kind of plot hole/paradox.
A plothole and a causality loop are not the same thing you moron lol
the one where I travel back in time and marry joost before she gets kojima'd
Paradoxes aren't plot holes moron
A plot hole is a plot hole, and you can't dismiss it as le paradox just becasue you don't understand paradoxes and internal logic
Deja Vu
plothole seeking is juvenile critique and a mark of the philistine
saying that, this movie is highly mediocre
>plothole seeking is juvenile critique and a mark of the philistine
a structurally flawed movie is a bad movie
alright let's say the plothole wasnt an issue, the ayy lmaos look dumb and the whole thing is wasted potential
>plothole
What plothole?
Is this just one of those a moron who cannot understand it posting?
>Chink overlord gives her his phone number at the conference that happened because she called him in the past with his phone number that she learned at that conference for the first time.
Definitely not a plothole, just a le paradox that you can't into 🙂
>just a le paradox that you can't into 🙂
It is not a paradox at all, it is the entire point of the movie, that time is being seen non linear, so she is experiencing the cause and effect of her actions simultaneously.
It is literally the whole point of the movie.
iirc she even understands a word, that she does not yet know by reading her own book explaining the language in the future, after she knows the language.
If anything, the whole time idea posits that our futures are already defined, which is the most intriguing thing in the movie as the aliens already knew exactly what was going to happen at all times, including abbot getting rekt.
Yes, time is supposed to be non-linear after you learn their funky language, but they're literally introducing a scenario that would've never happened in the first place, because she never knew the number of the chink in the first place.
This isn't plot hole, I just explained
>so she is experiencing the cause and effect of her actions simultaneously
I suppose if it is a smooth brain watching it they cannot understand it as they cannot think in abstracts so they are like "its a plot hole because time is linear, how can she learn something from the future"
When the entire fricking movie is about time NOT being linear
Are you one of these smooth brains too?
Anyway it is a great movie and does a great job and covering how governments would react from first contact like that, but is bogged down with amy addams shit acting and her whole dead child sub plot, which is shit, and then to add to that it has reremy jenner fricking every other scene up too.
moron
She couldn't have written the book either if she hadn't learned that one word from her own book. moron.
That's not a plot hole or a paradox you stupid frick, it's a causality loop. I didn't think it was possible to get filtered by such a simple story but here you are. Maybe Marvel is more your speed.
>its just a loop guise, definitely not a plothole! just accept the shitty writing or else you're stupid!
>There are legit morons here who cannot even understand a basic movies plot
Anything is better than being a frogposter.
To be fair causality loops are bullshit
There seems to be ALOT of autists on Cinemaphile that cant understand causality loops. Its literally like those NPCs that cant visualise an apple kek
causality loops aren't real
>These are the people I'm sharing this board with
Jesus Christ this is the stupidest thread I've read in the past month
Arrival is shit
Primer is shit
12 Monkeys is shit
The Martian is great
All of those are good except primer.
>12 Monkeys is shit
i keep forgetting about this. what a dogshit movie. I fricking hate terry gilliam
>what if bruce willis was a drooling moron for 2 hours straight?
that's literally every bruce willis movie
>remember seeing the frames from the movie as a kid
>the premise sounds awesome
>loved Bruce Willis since Die Hard
>couldn't wait to watch it
>finally downloaded it
>wacky soundtrack choices
>cartoony sound effects and Monthy Python-esque decorations
>wacky characters
>le satire mixed in with the serious tone
it was not what I expected
all those are shit
moron
I'm gonna have to watch this again because the movie made sense overall, but I don't remember details like this
>I don't remember major pivotal moments in movies I watch.
Also, if the end of the movie when the score starts playing to the end doesn't hit you deep, you are a moronic subhuman.
The plothole is inherent to the plot what are you talking about. The entire theme of the movie is importance of experiences regardless of their connection to time.
It was such a bullshit 'twist' it made me aghast.
How woke is Arrival?
Apart from the plot containing a female linguist who is much more intelligent than a famous white male scientist, not that much.
A woman has to step in to control a group of reactionary men who want to either rush communication or just kill the ayys. That's about it honestly.
Americans decoded alien language while Chinks almost went to war with them.
Real reason why Cinemaphileg hates it.
nobody here even watched lol. dislaimer: I am a man (male) and not a sjw, I just like the film
>female linguist who is much more intelligent than a famous white male scientist
female linguist is better in solving linguistic problems than a physicist, yes. he is good at physics and stuff
true, but the reason is not solely because she is stronk woman but it's plot reasons
>Americans decoded alien language
nope, pakistani scientists did
It's shit. The Martian is a much better movie.
I might be a little biased because when I saw Arrival I had albo been reading Slaughterhouse 5 by Vonnegut so it enhanced my experience, Martian was ok too
What about that giant plot hole where the guy somehow stayed alive on Mars for a year?
How is it a plothole, that's sci-fi? It's only a plothole if you assume we know anything about people surviving on Mars.
the most braindead opinion I've read this week
You're a dumb Black person.
>one of the best sci fi dramas made by the guy who made dune and br2049
or
>i heckin love science reddit tier opus that was forgotten in like 2 weeks
>dune and br2049
both dogshit
What's the plothole supposed to be?
The morons ITT are the exact same morons who jump to defensive mode when someone critiques Interstellar's shitty plotholes.
Interstellar is one of my favorite films but I thought Arrival was just okay. Don't hate the film but don't have the energy to defend it either.
Probably yeah, morons always join each other as a hive mind, let them be.
Time travel shit always ruins movies unless it's a comedy or done in a silly way like back to the future.
I watched this yesterday for the first time and I felt it was a bit dishonest. Time isn't linear. That is the reality we live in but that can't be used to explain a paradox that this movie attempts to explain.
They didn't even have the courtesy to explain what the humans would help the aliens with in 3000 years.
>Time isn't linear. That is the reality we live in but that can't be used to explain a paradox that this movie attempts to explain.
lol wut
WTF are you talking about
You're right, I possibly was having an aneurysm when I posted that. What I was thinking of was that time is relative. It was other posts in this thread mentioning linearity that threw me off.
I still felt short changed though.
>explain how magic works in some universe
>uhhhh thats not how magic works in real life
this is what you morons sound like
scifigays deserve the rope
I hate the fake romance angles included in sci-fi movies today. Interstellar was ruined by that pretentious love is the fifth dimension agenda. Why can't we make more movies like the martian without self-inserting the director's romantic gay agendas?
>Why can't we make more movies like the martian?
Absolute garbage reddit shit. Any Black person who asks for sci-fi without any exploration of the human condition needs to rope.
Plenty of human condition in the martian more genuine that that gay ass romance bullshit parroted in interstellar and arrival.
>Plenty of human condition in the martian more genuine
There's nothing genuine about The Martian and it explores nothing about the human codition. It's an empty movie made to pander to people who say "Science is awesome" "omg, I understood that pop culture reference".
The human condition is genuine. The fear of dying, the fight for survival etc. That's not pretentious, you can shit on the scientific details all you like, but the humanity of committing as much resources as they did to save one person is why the movie is loved not some romantic bullshit about saving aliens or aliens revealing love as the fifth dimension.
>The human condition is genuine. The fear of dying, the fight for survival etc.
I can say this about literally any marvel movie. I can say this about Fast and the Furious and the slop The Rock stars. They're always about some shit like family, trust, honor or some "human" element but paying lip service to any of these ideas is not a genuine exploration of any idea.
> is why the movie is loved
By redditors like you, yes.
>The Martian
It's capeshit. have a nice day.
Did i hurt your pweety witto feelings chud or are you just moronic enough that the only association your low iq brain could come up with is capeshit in a discussion about romance agendas in scifi?
>Pulls stuff out of it's ass about how knowing a new language will let you see the future
>Hopes you overlook this fact by trying to be emotional over dead children
It's a dumb movie reliant on appeal to emotion.
>Woman struggles to prevent war and save aliens
>Doesn't even try to help her daughter or change her future
I hate this fricking human saves aliens trope. What do advanced aliens need saving for, especially by humans? Its extremely shallow thinking which relies on the supposed anthropomorphic nature of aliens.
Why did those aliens travel back in time if they knew what was going to happen anyway?
consoom and don't ask questions
dumb determinism
dumb time-travel
dumb extreme take on Sapir–Whorf hypothesis
1/10 movie, never recommend it
the idea that learning a language allows you to see future is moronic
I want Chiang's golem story adapted too.
>he doesn't know about generative grammar and language theory
shiggy
>when did this become acceptable?
The moment you gays learn how to spell sweety is the moment this will finally be unacceptable.
unironically filtered
Primer is shit but it's not shit because of any plotholes, it is just pseud wankery made by and for stemgays to feel smarter than they really are. the movie actually has nothing of substance to say. it insists upon itself.
its a movie created for pseuds to feel intelligent while discussing it
Arrival is certified kino and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fricking moron autist who got filtered hard.
arrival is certified KINO
Is it even possible not to have a plot hole
honk
WHOPPER WHOPPER WHOPPER WHOPPER JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER
If you didnt like this film, consider your self filtered.
I really liked this film for Mommy Adams, I mean Amy Adams.