Well that's debatable in a fantasy setting where wizards exist. But Adventure time is post apocalyptic so maybe that is actually the case. I don't actually remember if the show ever explained how magic works in universe, and if it is just weird science or not.
There were episodes where it shows that magic users almost always have to trade their sanity when using it, except for a few specific instances, so that's interesting. Elementals don't have to trade their sanity assumedly, since PB and the other element users seem to be fine. And also PB uses scientific ideas to activate her powers, so she's kind of onto something here.
I don't think you necessarily have to trade sanity. Betty said both madness and sadness correlates with magical ability, so theoretically, you don't have to be insane to wield magic. Marceline is able to do magic and though she's relatively sane, she does have a lot of baggage. Huntress Wizard is another magical, seemingly sane character, so I guess it should be assumed she has a dark past of some kind.
Did you never watch the show? The source of Marceline's powers are already established, she inherited all of them from the vampires she slayed thousands of years ago, even her ability to fly.
>haha its not magic, silly, Marceline just killed some vampires, ate their souls, and can now levitate and shapeshift like they did! all science, no magic involved!
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It was meant for
She'll probably attribute it to her demon ancestry or vampire powers, or some weird reaction of the two being together.
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Well, relatively sane compare to a lot of wizards.
, yes she has these powers but they don't come to her magically she literally obtained them. They aren't a natural part of her.
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Are you fricking moronic?
That is supernatural
That is magic.There is no natural reason for any of those things to be possible.
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But she didn't use magic to do any of that.
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Just her magic super abilities she has because of a magic disease.
Then later the magic phenomenon of a soul imbues her with more magic abilities.
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If you pick up a magic gun can you suddenly "do magic" or do you just have a magic gun at your disposal?
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If the gun makes you a magic being then yeah.
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Anon she flies because of magic, she took the ability to fly using magic fro, someone who was flying using magic.
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So you admit she did not enchant herself or cast a spell, she merely took a magical ability from someone else, meaning she has no latent magic powers.
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She used magic to take the magic you buffoon!
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Don't forget, she can also do necromancy, which seems sperate from both her demon and vampire parts.
When she finds out she has a hard time using her powers since she couldn't think in terms of magic. It was interesting seeing her be conflicted from finding out she's a magical being
Ong I hate how this shit interpretation of magic is gobbled up by Adventure Time's carpet munching fandom as deep and smart.
That line literally reeks of someone unironically saying oh my science.
The big difference is that the Clarke quote was not about science, it was about tech. The fact that people that don't understand the difference try to act smart is honestly baffling.
>That line literally reeks of someone unironically saying oh my science.
Thats precisely the intention of the scene tho, Bubblegum's arbitrary skepticism was never validated in the series; in fact she gets shat on for being close minded many times and ultimately she assumes that shes like that because shes afraid of uncertainty.
Not really. The Series Finale was based on her still lying and playing her wannabee bannana republic bullshit by hiding her family from everyone else and it even ends with her going Sith Lord with new Gumbald Guardians/Putting everyone in capsules. Obsidian tries to whitewash her again but instead just says that they're together out of guilt since Marcy banged her when she was a jailbait groupie at one of her concerts and she started becoming tyrannical shortly afterwards. Even the end has her go back to her old ways until she remembers to fake her redemption to keep Marcy as her frickbuddy.
>with her going Sith Lord with new Gumbald Guardians/Putting everyone in capsules
That was understandable because Candy People are generally, pretty stupid and need PB's leadership to survive.
I think she only did that as a last resort after the Candy Kingdom fell and there was no way to salvage it.
Also, the tree that Neddy is sustained was shown to have died, which means that Neddy starved to death so without Neddy, the Candy people would have died regardless....
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You didn't watch the series finale did you? Bubblegum made the Candy People moronic on purpose so they wouldn't rebel against her and she could control them. Not even an accident, she intentionally uses a drug that makes all of them moronic so her entire "woe is me I'm a tard wrangler" crap is bullshit and self-inflicted
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Yeah PB’s got some serious trust issues going on, considering how she was only still a child when her family got hit with “dum dum juice”. She never really understood the morality behind it, and thus spend decades festering this need to control everything.
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That's mostly Rebecca Sugar's work. For all her talk about her tumblrism gender/lesbo shit, she's actually pretty sheltered IRL and is only a DeviantArt LGBTrender. Abusive & Conniving lesbians are the norm in most slashfics and basic b***hes like Sugar who only watch Utena for the Yuri and doesn't realize that Ikuhara made it clear that all the lesbians are doomed for failure because they're trying too hard to both hating and wanting to be men rather than being true to themselves.
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Goddamn.
The writers are legit sneaking in some IRL truthbombs.
Why does she have to be such an arrogant b***h? >"UM, SWEETIE, ACTUALLY MAGIC ISN'T REAL SO STOP CALLING IT MAGIC I'M SO SMART LOL"
Frick you, you stupid pink c**t.
Whether it can be quantified or understood is irrelevant to the use of the term. By your logic, we shouldn't have called the sun "the sun" after we discovered astronomy, we should have called it "the science sphere".
It's like calling water "science fluid" because oh, now we know it freezes at 32 degrees farenheit or lower!
You egotistical prostitute, shut your fricking mouth before I go French Revolution on your ass.
Actually, the formal name for the sun that Earth orbits is Sol, and water IS the proper name for H2O. You complaint makes no sense.
My complaint is that whether or not it is underatood as a scientific phenomena or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is still called magic.
I am not saying it is not something measurable as data. Science is information. When you learn the properties of something, it in of itself does not become "science".
Magic is magic. You could study it scientifically and understand it, but it would still be magic, not science. Therefore, bubblegum is moronic.
>being this pissy over the pedantic distinction of science vs technology that the vast majority of viewers are literally too stupid to understand
Cry more, we all know what is meant by 'science'.
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If you knew the distinction you'd accept that I'm right, but now you're in the drink and don't want to admit it so you're going to avoid refuting anything I say and resort to shit like >n-nooo, you are baby you are baby noooooo!
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>Cry more, we all know what is meant by 'science'.
I already answered to people like you. See
The big difference is that the Clarke quote was not about science, it was about tech. The fact that people that don't understand the difference try to act smart is honestly baffling.
in the real world there no magic or cartoon science, know that science is not knowlege but a method to prove or disprove action and reactions.
i dont know if this is /x/ or /b/ fault but people used to get bashed for thinking this way
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Interesting, but I fail to see how this changes anything. Thank you for the tidbit though I guess
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It's American education.
A stupid populace who cant think or do things for themselves are easy to control and dependent.
>It's like calling water "science fluid" because oh, now we know it freezes at 32 degrees farenheit or lower!
No it'd be like forcing everyone to call it H20 24/7.
even if she is right in a way, she was a complete and utter idiot for acting like that in her situation
besides it's not even certain she is correct, since she with all her intelligence and agelessness and scientific method has NEVER managed to perform even the slightest act of magic, so it's still entirely possible magic is inherently arbitrary
>magicman is just a scientific anomaly and his "powers" are just physical manipulations of reality that cannot be explained with our current technological knowledge
A lot of words to say "I don't know so It's not real."
my point was that it might be magic doesn't have a set structure or set rules and as such trying to understand it through the scientific method is impossible since it's inherently unknowable
a key factor in science is that the core rules are universal both in space and time, and that nothing is ever invented, only discovered
as such any discovery you make has only 2 states: true and untrue and can only be proven or disproven
if magic's core rules are either unknowable or else mutable then you can't perform science on them since a discovery which is true now might not be true later
>since she with all her intelligence and agelessness and scientific method has NEVER managed to perform even the slightest act of magic,
what about her jellybean powers?
Imagine if there was a device that was aware when it was being examined, and if you tried to understand it the whole device broke permanently.
That's magic. It's a power based on faith in it. Yes, you can't understand it, it doesn't want to be, it just wants to open you up to fancy powers in exchange for you not trying to tinker or frick with it, because magic's OP as frick and if you let autists break its code we'd be melting flesh off people from other star systems.
>in exchange for you not trying to tinker or frick with it
Isn't that what Evergreen did, though? I mean it didn't work out for him at all, but that's more because he was a gigantic dickhead.
t.written by pseudo intellectuals who litterally don't understand how little we actually know and thinks people with labcoats have magic SCIENCE powers.
It's still arcane. You'll haven't bo idea of how it works.
They'll just hit a hard brick wall and start making up bullshit to fill in gaps if understanding then just black box it/pretend it doesn't exist so stuff makes sense
You know, how they made up dark matter. We still have absolutely no proof it exists beyond it needing to to make the math work.
It's a quote from Arthur C. Clarke from his book "Profiles of the Future: An Inquiry into the Limits of the Possible" you immense dullard. I see you are a pleb of no culture.
We don't understand m7ch of why things do what they do. The scientific principle still is applied.
The notion that the scientific principle can be applied to phenomenon that by its nature isn't oft reproducible is fricking silly.
Imagine if magic were real. Imagine spending years studying magic applying the scientific laws to understand it.
Then the next day the magic just don't work no more. It's different across the world...just because.
Now what.
Shes proven wrong multiple times torough the series and the existence of Glob kinda confirms that its actually quite possible that there are things in their universe that will just actively refuse to get understood
I wish this aspect of her was pushed to the point everyone turned against her.
Finn could have been a king or something after having to murder his first crush.
Jacques Ellul described a magic as a system where the human will affects reality directly, while science is a form of technique where the human will interacts with reality through the physical body to cause some reaction according to natural laws.
Given that definition, which seems correct from the standpoint of the show, PB is in the wrong.
I just realize how a lot of anons would probably have great potential for wizardry given how unstable and pathetic a lot of us are. At least we'll have that much going for us.
the autistic drive to make everything 'realistic' has done irreparable harm to the fantasy genre >NOOO ITS NOT MAGIC, THAT'S UNREALISTIC, ITS SUPER ADVANCED SCIENCE >NOOOO DRAGONS CAN'T HAVE SIX LIMBS, ITS UNREALISTIC, NO VERTEBRATES HAVE SIX LIMBS >NOOOOO THAT WOMAN CAN'T DRESS IN ARMOR LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT REALISTIC SHES TOO EXPOSED
When you read a book, the way our reality works and the way the story works are not necessarily one to one, and people who act like they are are deluding themselves. It's the same thing here: The setting exists as a narrative separate from the actual physics of the real world, but influenced by it. The rules of that setting are hopefully consistent with themselves, but need not be strictly consistent with our reality (to do otherwise would be too difficult to model, for one).
It's nice and all to say a setting is scientifically realistic.
It's another to prove it.
Kind of funny: She's correct within the narrative because she's wrong outside of it- her claim that magic is actually science is a narrative conceit, not an observable principle.
I'm sad this barely lasted for an episode. I'm okay with it going bad, I just wanted to explore it for a little more. Imagine if Marceline saw her ex like that? That would be hilarious.
>I'm a scientist living in a world of fantasy, deities, magic and all sort of incredible things >rather than accept the fact that the world I live in is so complex it can manifest through magic which at this point in my career I cannot explain I will make a point to reject the very fabric that makes up my world >I could admit that the world I live in has not come even remotely close to explain the dynamics in which deities, magic and all of these sort of incredible things happen and thus be humble as I seek knowledge >but I'd rather be a moron with a shoulder on my chip religiously praising science even though science bases its improvement on things we cannot explain yet
What's the opposite of a character arc?
Because Princess Bubblegum had that.
How can she be right about magic when you're talking about fiction in a magical setting?
She just made because she can't do it.
She claims to be a genius but she often does stupid things, like not paying attention to her own Kingdom at all while someone is openly trying to take over right outside her window, and just shooing everyone away when they try to tell her.
Explaining something doesn't mean it stops being what it is. Because we know more about electricity does not mean that it is not electricity or energy anymore.
He is comparing it to computer code, he's not saying it's computer code. He even calls it Magic at the end of that sequence, having learned what magic is, something previously unknown to him, and on the next page he says it is good to still be able to learn new things.
he's not explaining, he's gloating, he's basically telling them that the craft they believe to be the most superior and special is nothing but remnants of even bigger things, those bigger things being Manhattan's absolute power to control reality itself. then he just proceeds to apropiate of their magic and use it agains them like it was nothing still gloating that he now has learned "magic"
This was true in the lore at the time the episode was written. All the magic was just mutations. But they kept rewriting the lore, and actual magic was introduced.
You cannot tell me PB was originally planned to be a part of some grand elemental shit that would eventually include fricking Slime Princess of all things. During early AT, and likely even up to this episode in question, all magic in the show likely was science. Until they decided to go "frick it" and auto felate themselves over Ice King's back story some more.
It is the opposite, all super advanced "science" in cartoons is magic. It has no basis on logic or research, it produce miraculous results with no proper reason to do so, it is magic.
Yeah it's all supernatural phenomenon.
What sickens me is hiw basic science is pushed to mythical levels so labcoat wearers can be respected and revered religiously and their foolish words can carry more weight.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Cell phones would seem like witchcraft to even an early 20th century person. Just because we can't imagine how the crown might work doesn't mean it may not be very advanced science.
Nah, magic IS a science, but what she's trying to say is that the effects that cause magic can be boiled down into existing fields. Take gravity for example: you could say it's magic, because we know mass has gravity but we don't know WHY mass has gravity or what medium allows gravity to interact with other objects, but we study enough of mass and energy to create physics. Magic cannot always be reduced down to its finest bits, but she wants to reduce it down enough that you could fit a creature's mana generation and conductivity into biology, or a magical crystal's properties into geology
But it's clear magic doesn't actually align with any of those, and science's attempts to use magic still rely on magical components, so chemistry/robotics/genetic engineering/etc. that results in magic doesn't funnel magic into those fields, just like a knight using a magic item doesn't suddenly funnel all magic into a martial art. It's chemistry interacting with magic or robotics interacting with magics and so on.
Plus, wizards basically are the scientists of magic with how they study and conduct experiments and what not. That's the true qualifier for what makes a "science." Scientists being mad about it are just butthurt autists that are mad they can't fit it into existing schemas or that their credentials don't transfer.
>140 replies in >No mention of Hunson Abadeer >No mention of Cosmic Owl >No mention of Prismo >No mention of Death >No mention of Lich
Seems pretty obvious magic is real in AT. You can't science your way out of all of that. PB was just coping.
From what I recall magic directly correlates to how much people believe it in adventure time which is why the elementals were weak as frick pre-apocalypse. So yes she is just being moronic and even if she was correct trying to scientifically understand magic would likely just make it weaker
t.
Can't do magic because OVERTHINKING
Well that's debatable in a fantasy setting where wizards exist. But Adventure time is post apocalyptic so maybe that is actually the case. I don't actually remember if the show ever explained how magic works in universe, and if it is just weird science or not.
There were episodes where it shows that magic users almost always have to trade their sanity when using it, except for a few specific instances, so that's interesting. Elementals don't have to trade their sanity assumedly, since PB and the other element users seem to be fine. And also PB uses scientific ideas to activate her powers, so she's kind of onto something here.
None of the elementals were sane in the first place.
I don't think you necessarily have to trade sanity. Betty said both madness and sadness correlates with magical ability, so theoretically, you don't have to be insane to wield magic. Marceline is able to do magic and though she's relatively sane, she does have a lot of baggage. Huntress Wizard is another magical, seemingly sane character, so I guess it should be assumed she has a dark past of some kind.
huntress wizard IS insane, shes just insane in an endearing tranquil way
Right, I forgot about that line. Makes me wonder if the elementals in the dinosaur times were sad inside or not. Slimy D seemed pretty okay, lol
>Marceline is able to do magic
I wonder what PB’s explanation for Marceline’s magical powers is.
She'll probably attribute it to her demon ancestry or vampire powers, or some weird reaction of the two being together.
Well, relatively sane compare to a lot of wizards.
Did you never watch the show? The source of Marceline's powers are already established, she inherited all of them from the vampires she slayed thousands of years ago, even her ability to fly.
>haha its not magic, silly, Marceline just killed some vampires, ate their souls, and can now levitate and shapeshift like they did! all science, no magic involved!
It was meant for
, yes she has these powers but they don't come to her magically she literally obtained them. They aren't a natural part of her.
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Are you fricking moronic?
That is supernatural
That is magic.There is no natural reason for any of those things to be possible.
But she didn't use magic to do any of that.
Just her magic super abilities she has because of a magic disease.
Then later the magic phenomenon of a soul imbues her with more magic abilities.
If you pick up a magic gun can you suddenly "do magic" or do you just have a magic gun at your disposal?
If the gun makes you a magic being then yeah.
Anon she flies because of magic, she took the ability to fly using magic fro, someone who was flying using magic.
So you admit she did not enchant herself or cast a spell, she merely took a magical ability from someone else, meaning she has no latent magic powers.
She used magic to take the magic you buffoon!
Don't forget, she can also do necromancy, which seems sperate from both her demon and vampire parts.
>weird science
t. A reincarnation of a magical Elemental avatar of gum.
Fricking Hypocrite.
When she finds out she has a hard time using her powers since she couldn't think in terms of magic. It was interesting seeing her be conflicted from finding out she's a magical being
>magical Elemental
You know she would've found a logical "scientifical" explanation about the whole reincarnation thing.
Ong I hate how this shit interpretation of magic is gobbled up by Adventure Time's carpet munching fandom as deep and smart.
That line literally reeks of someone unironically saying oh my science.
It's just a reworded (read: more verbose because smart people, as written by dumb people, aren't succinct) quote from Arthur C Clarke.
The big difference is that the Clarke quote was not about science, it was about tech. The fact that people that don't understand the difference try to act smart is honestly baffling.
>That line literally reeks of someone unironically saying oh my science.
Thats precisely the intention of the scene tho, Bubblegum's arbitrary skepticism was never validated in the series; in fact she gets shat on for being close minded many times and ultimately she assumes that shes like that because shes afraid of uncertainty.
Too bad she doesn’t change her tyrannical and manipulative ways. But hey, she’s got a vampire gf that munches on her gooch.
Being a lesbian is her one redeeming trait in the eyes of most of the AT fandom. She’d be universally hated if she wasn’t.
I know. That’s why she should of have been a villain.
>Too bad she doesn’t change her tyrannical and manipulative ways.
Yes she does. Frick your butthurt revisionism.
Which episode? I stopped watching half way through. And no amount yuricuck cope will make me slog through it to the end.
Not really. The Series Finale was based on her still lying and playing her wannabee bannana republic bullshit by hiding her family from everyone else and it even ends with her going Sith Lord with new Gumbald Guardians/Putting everyone in capsules. Obsidian tries to whitewash her again but instead just says that they're together out of guilt since Marcy banged her when she was a jailbait groupie at one of her concerts and she started becoming tyrannical shortly afterwards. Even the end has her go back to her old ways until she remembers to fake her redemption to keep Marcy as her frickbuddy.
>with her going Sith Lord with new Gumbald Guardians/Putting everyone in capsules
That was understandable because Candy People are generally, pretty stupid and need PB's leadership to survive.
I think she only did that as a last resort after the Candy Kingdom fell and there was no way to salvage it.
Also, the tree that Neddy is sustained was shown to have died, which means that Neddy starved to death so without Neddy, the Candy people would have died regardless....
You didn't watch the series finale did you? Bubblegum made the Candy People moronic on purpose so they wouldn't rebel against her and she could control them. Not even an accident, she intentionally uses a drug that makes all of them moronic so her entire "woe is me I'm a tard wrangler" crap is bullshit and self-inflicted
Yeah PB’s got some serious trust issues going on, considering how she was only still a child when her family got hit with “dum dum juice”. She never really understood the morality behind it, and thus spend decades festering this need to control everything.
That's mostly Rebecca Sugar's work. For all her talk about her tumblrism gender/lesbo shit, she's actually pretty sheltered IRL and is only a DeviantArt LGBTrender. Abusive & Conniving lesbians are the norm in most slashfics and basic b***hes like Sugar who only watch Utena for the Yuri and doesn't realize that Ikuhara made it clear that all the lesbians are doomed for failure because they're trying too hard to both hating and wanting to be men rather than being true to themselves.
Goddamn.
The writers are legit sneaking in some IRL truthbombs.
Its just the fun playful butting of heads that Rusty Venture and Orphius argue about in a venture bros
That's moronic, Science is just a method to understand stuff. You don't say that you do science when you use your remote to switch channel.
>all magic is science
Not if this qt has anything to say about it
Why does she have to be such an arrogant b***h?
>"UM, SWEETIE, ACTUALLY MAGIC ISN'T REAL SO STOP CALLING IT MAGIC I'M SO SMART LOL"
Frick you, you stupid pink c**t.
Whether it can be quantified or understood is irrelevant to the use of the term. By your logic, we shouldn't have called the sun "the sun" after we discovered astronomy, we should have called it "the science sphere".
It's like calling water "science fluid" because oh, now we know it freezes at 32 degrees farenheit or lower!
You egotistical prostitute, shut your fricking mouth before I go French Revolution on your ass.
Actually, the formal name for the sun that Earth orbits is Sol, and water IS the proper name for H2O. You complaint makes no sense.
And magic is the proper name for reality altering done through magical formulas and similar.
>done through magical formulas and similar.
science formulas*
My complaint is that whether or not it is underatood as a scientific phenomena or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is still called magic.
I am not saying it is not something measurable as data. Science is information. When you learn the properties of something, it in of itself does not become "science".
Magic is magic. You could study it scientifically and understand it, but it would still be magic, not science. Therefore, bubblegum is moronic.
>being this pissy over the pedantic distinction of science vs technology that the vast majority of viewers are literally too stupid to understand
Cry more, we all know what is meant by 'science'.
If you knew the distinction you'd accept that I'm right, but now you're in the drink and don't want to admit it so you're going to avoid refuting anything I say and resort to shit like
>n-nooo, you are baby you are baby noooooo!
>Cry more, we all know what is meant by 'science'.
I already answered to people like you. See
in the real world there no magic or cartoon science, know that science is not knowlege but a method to prove or disprove action and reactions.
i dont know if this is /x/ or /b/ fault but people used to get bashed for thinking this way
Interesting, but I fail to see how this changes anything. Thank you for the tidbit though I guess
It's American education.
A stupid populace who cant think or do things for themselves are easy to control and dependent.
>It's like calling water "science fluid" because oh, now we know it freezes at 32 degrees farenheit or lower!
No it'd be like forcing everyone to call it H20 24/7.
It's called water, dude.
OH MY SCIENCE YASS KWEEN SLAY
You forgot a pic of the type to Onionss that would say that
>Filename
Tell me anon, does this image bother you?
>HECKING FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER
even if she is right in a way, she was a complete and utter idiot for acting like that in her situation
besides it's not even certain she is correct, since she with all her intelligence and agelessness and scientific method has NEVER managed to perform even the slightest act of magic, so it's still entirely possible magic is inherently arbitrary
>magicman is just a scientific anomaly and his "powers" are just physical manipulations of reality that cannot be explained with our current technological knowledge
A lot of words to say "I don't know so It's not real."
my point was that it might be magic doesn't have a set structure or set rules and as such trying to understand it through the scientific method is impossible since it's inherently unknowable
a key factor in science is that the core rules are universal both in space and time, and that nothing is ever invented, only discovered
as such any discovery you make has only 2 states: true and untrue and can only be proven or disproven
if magic's core rules are either unknowable or else mutable then you can't perform science on them since a discovery which is true now might not be true later
*turns you into a rhyming goose for no fricking reason*
Can't explain that.
>since she with all her intelligence and agelessness and scientific method has NEVER managed to perform even the slightest act of magic,
what about her jellybean powers?
A lot of magic-users in Adventure Time are apparently either sad or mad. So you gotta be depressed or batshit in some way.
>Sheltered white b***h proudly displaying culture shock like it's something to be proud of.
This is too real.
She's pink, not white idiot.
The King of Mars a far more powerful and intelligent being clearly believes in the idea of magic so no she's wrong
Good episode but god PB is an insufferable c**t
Hottest PB outfit post more.
This. Imagine licking her bubblegum pits.
No on likes dyke time or it's shit characters
YASS QUEEN (princess)
The character shift she had from the first two seasons to around season 5 was jarring.
It's magic. Don't gotta explain shit.
Imagine if there was a device that was aware when it was being examined, and if you tried to understand it the whole device broke permanently.
That's magic. It's a power based on faith in it. Yes, you can't understand it, it doesn't want to be, it just wants to open you up to fancy powers in exchange for you not trying to tinker or frick with it, because magic's OP as frick and if you let autists break its code we'd be melting flesh off people from other star systems.
>in exchange for you not trying to tinker or frick with it
Isn't that what Evergreen did, though? I mean it didn't work out for him at all, but that's more because he was a gigantic dickhead.
t.written by pseudo intellectuals who litterally don't understand how little we actually know and thinks people with labcoats have magic SCIENCE powers.
Lol go worship nature Satanists.
>Arcane powers
>Investigate
>learn what makes arcane powers arcane
>no longer arcane
>no longer powerful
Many such cases.
I'm still gonna call it magic
It's still arcane. You'll haven't bo idea of how it works.
They'll just hit a hard brick wall and start making up bullshit to fill in gaps if understanding then just black box it/pretend it doesn't exist so stuff makes sense
You know, how they made up dark matter. We still have absolutely no proof it exists beyond it needing to to make the math work.
Anything after season 2 is not canon and can easily be dismissed and outright ignored.
Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science.
Lies
Tech == Science
moron
>Girl Genius reference out of fricking nowhere
It's a quote from Arthur C. Clarke from his book "Profiles of the Future: An Inquiry into the Limits of the Possible" you immense dullard. I see you are a pleb of no culture.
Thats fricking dumb.
Science needs immutable natural law and complete faith in your five senses.
That is science. It's your stupid ass new religion. It's a set of laws we, anyone, can use to understand the material world.
You can not apply scientific principle to magic and mysticism.
You can if you understand the internal workings of magic. So it ceases becoming magic.
We don't understand m7ch of why things do what they do. The scientific principle still is applied.
The notion that the scientific principle can be applied to phenomenon that by its nature isn't oft reproducible is fricking silly.
Imagine if magic were real. Imagine spending years studying magic applying the scientific laws to understand it.
Then the next day the magic just don't work no more. It's different across the world...just because.
Now what.
>You can not apply scientific principle to magic and mysticism.
Read more.
That's ancients scientific knowledge. As magic aka science was worshipped.
Whats your point?
Shes proven wrong multiple times torough the series and the existence of Glob kinda confirms that its actually quite possible that there are things in their universe that will just actively refuse to get understood
I wish this aspect of her was pushed to the point everyone turned against her.
Finn could have been a king or something after having to murder his first crush.
Princess Bubblegum was fricking Bubblegum Hitler. Hell, she literally speaks German sometimes
Jacques Ellul described a magic as a system where the human will affects reality directly, while science is a form of technique where the human will interacts with reality through the physical body to cause some reaction according to natural laws.
Given that definition, which seems correct from the standpoint of the show, PB is in the wrong.
I just realize how a lot of anons would probably have great potential for wizardry given how unstable and pathetic a lot of us are. At least we'll have that much going for us.
Most anons are already wizards in the making irl
I mean, isn't magic in the show literally just very advanced science?
Watch the show moron. She was literally a magical elemental.
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Fma got it right. Alchemy is a science in their world.
the autistic drive to make everything 'realistic' has done irreparable harm to the fantasy genre
>NOOO ITS NOT MAGIC, THAT'S UNREALISTIC, ITS SUPER ADVANCED SCIENCE
>NOOOO DRAGONS CAN'T HAVE SIX LIMBS, ITS UNREALISTIC, NO VERTEBRATES HAVE SIX LIMBS
>NOOOOO THAT WOMAN CAN'T DRESS IN ARMOR LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT REALISTIC SHES TOO EXPOSED
frick you spergs who keep pushing this shit.
That and having no realistic stakes or consequences.
No stakes. Frick my life.
When you read a book, the way our reality works and the way the story works are not necessarily one to one, and people who act like they are are deluding themselves. It's the same thing here: The setting exists as a narrative separate from the actual physics of the real world, but influenced by it. The rules of that setting are hopefully consistent with themselves, but need not be strictly consistent with our reality (to do otherwise would be too difficult to model, for one).
It's nice and all to say a setting is scientifically realistic.
It's another to prove it.
Kind of funny: She's correct within the narrative because she's wrong outside of it- her claim that magic is actually science is a narrative conceit, not an observable principle.
I'm sad this barely lasted for an episode. I'm okay with it going bad, I just wanted to explore it for a little more. Imagine if Marceline saw her ex like that? That would be hilarious.
>I'm a scientist living in a world of fantasy, deities, magic and all sort of incredible things
>rather than accept the fact that the world I live in is so complex it can manifest through magic which at this point in my career I cannot explain I will make a point to reject the very fabric that makes up my world
>I could admit that the world I live in has not come even remotely close to explain the dynamics in which deities, magic and all of these sort of incredible things happen and thus be humble as I seek knowledge
>but I'd rather be a moron with a shoulder on my chip religiously praising science even though science bases its improvement on things we cannot explain yet
What's the opposite of a character arc?
Because Princess Bubblegum had that.
How can she be right about magic when you're talking about fiction in a magical setting?
She just made because she can't do it.
She claims to be a genius but she often does stupid things, like not paying attention to her own Kingdom at all while someone is openly trying to take over right outside her window, and just shooing everyone away when they try to tell her.
Intelligence ≠ Wisdom
Like the random errors in computer code...
Explaining something doesn't mean it stops being what it is. Because we know more about electricity does not mean that it is not electricity or energy anymore.
He is comparing it to computer code, he's not saying it's computer code. He even calls it Magic at the end of that sequence, having learned what magic is, something previously unknown to him, and on the next page he says it is good to still be able to learn new things.
he's not explaining, he's gloating, he's basically telling them that the craft they believe to be the most superior and special is nothing but remnants of even bigger things, those bigger things being Manhattan's absolute power to control reality itself. then he just proceeds to apropiate of their magic and use it agains them like it was nothing still gloating that he now has learned "magic"
He's not explaining shit.
The writer Is tard who's equating magic to something else he doesn't understand and just handwaiving it with muh powers
It's bad writing.
Any sufficiently crude magic is indistinguishable from science.
This was true in the lore at the time the episode was written. All the magic was just mutations. But they kept rewriting the lore, and actual magic was introduced.
I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE
Why is this trying to promote intellectuals but is filled with anti-intellectual memes?
>Why is this trying to promote intellectuals but is filled with anti-intellectual memes?
It's a wojak image, wojak posters are notoriously moronic.
>i named myself intellectual so everyone who disagrees with me is anti-intellectual, so smort
go back
Finn
The Human
Not for long.
You cannot tell me PB was originally planned to be a part of some grand elemental shit that would eventually include fricking Slime Princess of all things. During early AT, and likely even up to this episode in question, all magic in the show likely was science. Until they decided to go "frick it" and auto felate themselves over Ice King's back story some more.
Betty was a mistake.
No it wasn't stupid.
Magic SCIENCE and cosmic science were always there.
FP was also a mistake.
>Rebecca Sugar was a mistake
FTFY
thinking about it she's the one to blame for the creation of both trash fires, you actually couldn't be more right
PB worst princess.
It is the opposite, all super advanced "science" in cartoons is magic. It has no basis on logic or research, it produce miraculous results with no proper reason to do so, it is magic.
Yeah it's all supernatural phenomenon.
What sickens me is hiw basic science is pushed to mythical levels so labcoat wearers can be respected and revered religiously and their foolish words can carry more weight.
How does she explain emitter magic then? That breaks scientific laws.
>put on crown
>can now shoot ice beams and create giant glaciers out of nothing, even in fricking space
That's the only real magic in the entire show and it's only done by four people at a time.
CONFIRMED REAL MAGIC EXISTS!
>CONFIRMED REAL MAGIC EXISTS!
CONFIRMED REAL MAGIC EXISTS!
>CONFIRMED REAL MAGIC EXISTS!
/thread
Argument is over
I LOVE SCIENCE virgins lose
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Cell phones would seem like witchcraft to even an early 20th century person. Just because we can't imagine how the crown might work doesn't mean it may not be very advanced science.
Nothing in AT is consistent, there's no point to trying to figure it out
Nah, magic IS a science, but what she's trying to say is that the effects that cause magic can be boiled down into existing fields. Take gravity for example: you could say it's magic, because we know mass has gravity but we don't know WHY mass has gravity or what medium allows gravity to interact with other objects, but we study enough of mass and energy to create physics. Magic cannot always be reduced down to its finest bits, but she wants to reduce it down enough that you could fit a creature's mana generation and conductivity into biology, or a magical crystal's properties into geology
But it's clear magic doesn't actually align with any of those, and science's attempts to use magic still rely on magical components, so chemistry/robotics/genetic engineering/etc. that results in magic doesn't funnel magic into those fields, just like a knight using a magic item doesn't suddenly funnel all magic into a martial art. It's chemistry interacting with magic or robotics interacting with magics and so on.
Plus, wizards basically are the scientists of magic with how they study and conduct experiments and what not. That's the true qualifier for what makes a "science." Scientists being mad about it are just butthurt autists that are mad they can't fit it into existing schemas or that their credentials don't transfer.
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>No mention of Hunson Abadeer
>No mention of Cosmic Owl
>No mention of Prismo
>No mention of Death
>No mention of Lich
Seems pretty obvious magic is real in AT. You can't science your way out of all of that. PB was just coping.
>ITT: chuds don't what what science is
Say it with me:
Depends
On
The
Setting.
The thing about Adventure Time is that it's pretty vague and haphazard and full of retcons. It's hard to pin down anything.
Does the show even support that or is it really just bubblegum being an ass
From what I recall magic directly correlates to how much people believe it in adventure time which is why the elementals were weak as frick pre-apocalypse. So yes she is just being moronic and even if she was correct trying to scientifically understand magic would likely just make it weaker