>Enjoyable and entertaining character becomes a plot tumour that takes over the entire show
Ice King backstory was a mistake since it attracted a certain type of person to Adventure Time.
The ones that say to skip the first three seasons since they're 'just filler'.
He should have just been a crazy wizard without a tragic backstory.
Adventure Time (at its beginning) is a male fantasy
it entails living in a surreal magical fantasy world thats way too big for you, being weak, but growing stronger everyday, going on adventures with friends and coming out victorious
Fionna and Cake is a female fantasy
it entails living in a boring inner city and crying about your problems until a buncha magic shit comes to YOU and tells you that you were super special all along and deserving of aaaaaall the thaaangs
no you cant prove me wrong and i will not argue with you if you attempt to
good night
or maybe its just a silly cartoon
Asa killed Chainsawman like Ice King deeplore killed Adventure Time
Asa and her shenanigans with Denji holds up the second act. The problem is there's too many arcs that amount to nothing, too much build up and no pay off in the story (so far).
Aesopes fables are silly stories too. But I will trust a well told story that imparts lessons.
These aren't silly cartoons to minds that are growing and learning. These are how they see and understand the world.
The only people who say what you say are people who don't understand and people who fully understand but don't want you to think about it.
Okay soccer mom
I want to spank your big ass Asa
Why you frickers manage to make everything about gender? You are more obsessed about it than the troons.
Every attitude in their life ultimately comes from a deep wellspring of sexual insecurity.
A mans social worth is a sum his finances and his erotic potency.
When a man comes up worthless he blames anything other than himself.
By this definition, all isekai anime are female fantasies, and all sword-lesbian fantasy books are male fantasies. One could just as easily make the exact opposite argument, and have plenty of cherry-picked examples to support their claim.
>By this definition, all isekai anime are female fantasies,
Isekai has unironically seen a massive boom in series targeted by women.
Basically, every male fantasy isekai is something where the world has video game mechanics and the protagonist exploits those mechanics to become a badass and get a harem
.
Meanwhile, every female fantasy isekai is that the female protagonist gets transported into an otome game where she is the villainess, so she wants to redeem herself, which she does when all the male love interests see her inner beauty.
Usually they go hard on the evil queen bee stuff.
>By this definition, all isekai anime are female fantasies
The Nutcracker
Alice in Wonderland
The Wizard of Oz
Spirited Away
Coraline
It's more recently that we keep getting these types of stories aimed at men
>By this definition, all isekai anime are female fantasies
Correct
Isekai is loved by lest masculine men possible so it checks out
trvthnuke
Excellent post. The active hero being made into a passive one is the bane of AT
FPWP schizo freak
>no you cant prove me wrong and i will not argue with you if you attempt to
good night
Uh BASED
That’s not remotely what Fiona and Cake was about. Fiona’s character development is realizing she was being selfish and she needs to grow up.
exquisite b8 mein freund
What about the nonbinary fantasy?
Doesn't exist, just like enbies.
A nonbinary person's fantasy is a world that wants them in it. And it's just as realistic as Ooo
lel, this.
in a troony's world, it revolves around them, given their narcissism. they're the ones that magically teach all the bigots how to get over it and accept them.
Huh, that's an interesting take.
What's a nonbinary?
>all the trannies seething at this post
Kek well done fpbp and all that
Funnily enough this also happens to be 1:1 the difference between real tabletop RPGs, particularly old school D&D, and the modern flanderized approach for the stream-watching crowd.
100% fiona and cake was a product of sugar's influence
>Fionna and Cake is a female fantasy
Simon is the protagonist of Fionna and Cake ironically.
His story is the driving one, his goal is the one that truly matters: Fionna and Cake are side characters compared to Simon's growth.
Late AT is a female fantasy, with nothing happening but women being validated by outside forces.
"Fionna and Cake" title should really be "Simon Petrikov".
>Adventure Time (at its beginning) is a male fantasy
Yeah, and its fricking great
>He should have just been a crazy wizard without a tragic backstory.
That’s what he was in the first two seasons.
>The ones that say to skip the first three seasons since they're 'just filler'.
Can you blame them? The early seasons are the worst.
You should have a nice day for having such a dogshit opinion. You are the reason the show took such a massive nosedive
Just become someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make it bad. If you don't like modern AT don't watch it, you can always watch the earlier ones. There's a difference between stating your dislike for something and telling people to kill themselves for not agreeing with you. You are the reason why discussion is dead on this website.
No you just have a bad opinion. Kys
Anyone who tells someone to kill themselves because they have a different opinion is 14, either physically, mentally, or psychologically. Don't waste your time, those of us with back problems from being An Adult just ignore those people. It's like them calling things "gay", or "moronic", it just happens and they'll grow out of it or they'll die, either way it'll end sometime for them.
Samegay
>2 people rag on your moronation
>SAMEgay! SAMEgay!
Comical. This fanbase is cancer
It really is. AT was garbage until it finally starting getting ambitious.
lazy The Last of Us ripoff
The Last of Us was never even original to begin with.
true, and that makes it even lazier
I like his backstory, but they probably went too far with it because people loved the first episodes so much. And it does have the sad side-effect of removing one of the best characters.
The Last of Us came out after Simon and Marcy
They're both The Road ripoffs.
Early 2010s really had a hard on for le post apocalypse survivor stories huh.
That scene where Simon pushing around Marceline on that chair is really reminiscent of the shopping cart in the Road.
Mayan Calendar ending and killing everyone was the flavor of the microdecade.
Simon was BASED.
Simon was a boring whiney effeminate troony
Just like you probably
Oh, so we're at the stage that "troony" just means "thing I don't like" like every other buzzword on this godforsaken /misc/ infested board. Cool.
Why do cartoons that turn to adding more story based elements always fail at doing so?
the art.
it's hard to take the noodly, no hard angle calarts shit seriously.
it influences the story as well. hence why when they try to take it seriously, it just comes of as trying too hard.
because they never have a plan
Most live action long running tv series, like breaking bad, also never have decisive plans. It's almost a necessity for this medium.
Too many chefs in the kitchen.
I.E, the story boarding formula many western studios rely on makes it difficult to create a series with consistent plot and characters.
Not all of them
simon is NOT white!
Russians aren't white
They are if you have good bartending skills
White people are pink and red.
These twitter users.
Is Martin white? Is Finn white?
Martin and Simon both attempting to The Thing-ing each other with little flesh tentacles only to realize with embarrassment that they are both The Things and for their species attempting to The Thing each other is a terrible social faux pas
Slavs are only white when liberals feel like it. Like Italians.
Finn's family is of Irish descent.
He's white with an olive complexion. (Unless it's ever specifically stated otherwise. ) Like someone from Greece or Turkey.
This dude is rosy as hell
Only in modern amerimutt land is he considered white. He'd be called a Black person as much as 60 years ago and is not seen as white in most monoracial nations.
Learn what a tan is
My pureblooded Polish neighbor was browner than Simon during the summer and whiter than me during the winter
this twitter thread full of people trying to guess his ethnicity was really offputting in a way I don't think these tumblr spillover teens can really understand
they always seem to get so close to the razor's edge in terms of bioessentialism, physiognomy, eugenics etc with the shit they discuss and how they police themselves but never seem to realize it.
they're literally doing a brown paper bag test, here, with simon... but do they even know what that is??
That was my first thought when I saw it.
so he was a churka all along?
>racially ambiguous intellectual with ties to Russian heritage
Simon is a pure-bred Soviet Noviop.
Simon is voiced by the whitest man in the world,and these are the type of people who say actors should voice characters of their skin color.
And I bet none of them are gonna say "recast Tom Kenny"
You're not wrong that he kind of took over the show and I think versions of the show that that wasn't the case for would be interesting to see, certainly if I had a Rick Sanchez interdimensional cable box, I would want to watch episodes of not-plot-heavy Adventure Time, but I wouldn't want to replace the version we got with that. I think you're wrong that he "should have just been a crazy wizard without a tragic backstory". I really like how they developed him. I like his backstory with Marceline, too. I actually kind of wish they had somehow been able to zipper-split that into two canonically-intertwined shows where I could watch Finn and Jake go do stupid weird fun stuff in Adventure Time and then go watch cool ideas about magic and fate and such in the Ice King show, both taking place in Ooo alongside each other. That would never happen, of course, but it's a nice thought.
It's fascinating to imagine what modern AT would be like if the ninjas stealing the old man's diamonds were the villains that made it to the full show instead of Ice King
Isn't that from the pilot pitch episode?
hints were fine, maybe an indirect spotlight like I Remember You, but it should have never gone past that.
There's two parts to this
The first is that, yes, the show did dramatically change in tone and content when Ward left and Muto took over. The boarders charged with writing episodes weren't interested in the crazy pastiche adventures Ward had in mind and wanted to get their pet project characters into a show.
The second is that the show went on for a LONG time. Even if Ward had stayed on and the focus had stayed on Finn and juvenile adventure, eventually that well runs dry and you're forced to rely on expanding previous "lore" to find any stories to tell
I think most people are fine with lore. The problem is that the lore fundamentally changed several characters. Marceline stopped being the cool spooky big sis character and became an emo crybaby. It is fine when its about Hunson since he rarely appears, but when you make all marceline stories; Hunson, Simon and PB into emo crybaby stories, that becomes her whole character.
The backstory also hurt Simon. His best characterization was is SImon & marcy, when the dude actually has a personality. But every time Simon appears, he is either boring scientist guy or boring sad guy, with a monotone voice and almost no emotion.
The second point is what literally happened while Pendelton was still attached to the show, they were creatively spent with all the shitposty ideas they had used for the 78 episodes of the first three seasons so they intentionally started veering into more plot and emotional territory going forward into the fourth season.
>During the writing for the season, Ward and series' head writer Kent Osborne noted that it was increasingly difficult to produce new episode concepts because the writers had "already used a lot of cool ideas". Osborne called this slump the "season four blues". Ward went on to clarify that, "everything's still coming out super weird and interesting—but it just gets a little harder. You have to dig deeper." To combat these issues, the writer staff tried different story writing methods, such as a technique called exquisite corpse, in which one writer starts a story on a sheet of paper, and the paper is folded and another writer tries to finish it. Ward, however, noted that "the ideas are usually terrible". They also decided to experiment with different types of storytelling and to introduce more new characters to the show
That's what I figured. Honestly, it worked out fairly well in the end compared to most long running shows.
Pendleton Ward sounds like he didn't have a ton of show in him, and I'm glad we got his vision for the first few seasons but he needed to pass it on to someone who had a grander vision. Let Pendleton Ward do strummy ukulele music like Rebecca Sugar and leave the showrunning to someone with more vision like Adam Muto. Unironically "Holly Jolly Secrets" was the episode that made Adventure Time more than just a fun distraction. Then when we got the Lich-Enchiridion-Prismo-Farmworld episodes, that's when the show kicked into high gear for me and I actually started genuinely caring about it
You could've had Holly Jolly Secrets and the Lich-Enchiridion-Prismo-Farmworld episodes without all the stupid drama shit inserted by the projecting writers
"The stupid drama shit inserted by the projecting writers" is literally the only reason why people watched Fionna and Cake, no one was there to watch a genderbent Finn and Jake show, they saw it for Simon and his angst.
Simon's angst makes sense, Finn's incel streak doesn't
Ok zoomer
Ok boomer
Frick you all, AT rocks.
top tier bait my dude, you damn near got me to believe it.
Brainlets will seethe, but this is absolutely correct.
In an alternate universe Adventure Time was picked up on Nickelodeon and never developed any moronic plot lines.
It would've been canceled after season 1 and added to Spongebob's body count.
It would have been a success and had a live action TV special starring Drake Bell
>attracted a certain type of person to Adventure Time.
What type of person and why do you think "they" would affect the show in anyway?
The type of person who can't enjoy anything that doesn't have some sort of melodrama attached to it.
Who feel embarassed over liking a cartoon meant for children so they have to dress it up as actually being mature instead of just accepting it.
so, ATLA fans?
Creepy autistic perverts and child brainwashing victims who won't know better till well after the damage is done.
I feel Bubbline shippers are the bigger problem in that regard but what happened to Ice King was another symptom of the show's decline yeah
Only the most moronic normies will tell you to skip the first seasons. Most people are able to appreciate both the early and the latter seasons.
And then they got up cos one is made up of candy and the other is an immortal vampire and they killed Finn and Jake for being murderous maniacs. Finncels cant even win in their own fantasies.
I can't tell if I find them more sad or funny. They are some kind of pathetic for sure tho.
Sorry, you dyke lovers. Finn and Jake are far stronger than your fragile “immortal” yuri abominations.
Only Jake is anywhere near Marcie's level. Even then she almost killed him.
Powerlevels in AT are pretty inconsistent to begin with but we all know deep down that FERN is the strongest
Angry wet cat.
Poor Fern deserved better.
How can they be murderous if they shoot immortal beings?
Draw him going to flame princess and the writers of flame and ice next
>Finn realizing how shit she's and killing bubblec**t
God I wish this to happen so hard, too bad that she has the protection of those tumblr writers behind her back
A more satisfying ending than a room full of Hollywood hacks could ever conceive of.
While I understand disliking some of the show's later direction, it's rare to see someone actually hate Simon's backstory.
So you never grew up with the show huh.
Betty and the Gum war were fricking stupid
>Crying about one of the best characters in the show with the best lore
Cry
Even if IK and Simon are the same person I always considered them different characters
I mean, they are
Nah his backstory is fine, but that's all it should have been, a backstory.
Adventure time should have had it's lore, but none of it should ever have been addressed directly.
Why did they lie? They should have changed back.
>anthro grass sword
Neat.
>clingy grass woman who refuses to let go of you and can also turn into a powerful sword
giwtwm, I don’t even care if I’m slowly being eaten from the inside out by a curse
>He should have just been a crazy wizard without a tragic backstory.
That's what he originally was but some of the writers can't grasp that a such a character exists so they gave him a background. I didn't dislike it though.
I wish we had gotten an episode revolving around Hunson and Martin, I want a story about bad dads being bad dads but also different kinds of bad dads.
>primary antagonist is an important part of the show
Can someone thats not moronic explain where the persecution complex over Finn comes from? Almost all of the bad things that happen to him throughout the story just make him more likable, besides Frost & Fire.
If your main reason is that he didn't get to frick PB or Marceline then you're just a frickin dweeb honestly, lol. Finn never liked Marcy that way, and you'd be just as upset if PB and Finn actually got together, because that's pedophila.
anons see Huntress as 'settling' because FP or PB or whoever got their dick harder. They also think settling is bad because obviously the average Cinemaphile poster is going to marry the hottest and most loyal girl they've ever met
I think some people self insert way too hard, to the point where they actually feel slighted if the character they self insert as doesn't do exactly what they would do, or get exactly what they would want
Honestly if they gave Huntress more episodes to develop I think those types would shut up.
She only probably feels like "settling" for them cause she felt a bit half assed in execution compared to how much focus FP and ofc PB got.
Didn't get to see much of how Finn was handling his weird half relationship with her too.
Honestly my only problem was with Frost and Fire and that 3 episode slump right before the perfect sandwich episode. I did skip every Flame Princess episode afterwards though
hey Too Old was pretty good
Let's see. It's not about relationships ..because the absolute worst episodes of this series center around the god awful female and queer OC of the wierd fricks who write the show.
No it's that they've just been torturing thus child nonstop for years because it feels like they honestly hate the character.
It's deeply fricked up. He was literally raped by lumpy space princess for fricks sake and had his arm ripped off for no good thematic reason. It's just bad things that happen to the guy.
Finn is a heterosexual white male so he's not allowed to be the protagonist anymore.
Watching it with a friend of mine for the first time, and it feels like he's just becoming kinda limp. Guy's getting more sidelined for other characters, and it's feeling less like Finn is there because he's the main character, but because they're obligated to use him.
Lmao, Frost and Fire isn't even the worst example because Too old and Breezy were much worse for him.
And btw your pic is another of the big problems of the show, literal shipbait character that the writers didn't knew what to do with and had to force some cringy rap gimmick and shounen power-ups to keep her relevant.
All of these annoying princesses were always the worst part of show.
>and had to force some cringy rap gimmick
I don't know how the frick they thought that was a good idea. Literally one of the worst episodes. If I remember right in was in the final season too when they were 'wrapping things up' and it just felt so weird and like a waste of an episode.
They are just moronic.
Yuricucks vs Finncels
The neverending war. Can't both sides just kill themselves instead of screwing up every one of these threads.
My Queen.
Candy Queen was hotter
Still prefer Butch PB! (^-^)
Do the Yuricucks even really exist though? Its just people who like Finn, and people that unironically think that they are Finn and get mad when he doesn't frick everyone.
I know a lesbian irl who's favorite character is Finn. My stoner brother's favorite character is Finn. The Finn cameos in F&C and Obsidian were some of the most talked about moments of those spin-offs. There's not some massive army of Finn haters out there, talk to anybody and they'll say they love the guy. Some people in these threads just have a persecution complex, and they're annoying as hell.
It’s a smaller proportion of people but yeah I think “Finncels” exist. “Simoncels” however don’t exist and are instead a weird meme pushed by schizos
Everytime i check out one of these threads in the hopes of some fun adventure time discussion there are two things i see.
1.Finngays seething that the show didn't make him a shounen harem protag and insulting Bubbline
2.Yurigays taunting Finngays and calling them finncels for any dissatisfaction they might have towards the show
Both of your sides are moronic and every freaking thread gets derailed by the same boring topic.
There was a guy in the FC threads greentexting Flynn and Jacques stories. Those were one of the few fun things in the threads.
its all just shitposters shitposting and feeding off each other because people want attention on an anonymous forum. happens to any big show.
Finn hating is ironic to rile up the actual finncels.
Is you the right, or is you the wrong here?
god I wish we got more of her
in a vacuum ice king's backstory was perfect
It made us feel sympathy for what we thought was just a comical villain, have us a little glimpse into some deeper 'lore'.
Sadly they had to keep pushing it and going deeper. I've said it before but adventure time would be absolute kino if it never went deeper than holly jolly secrets.
well you're not wrong
I wish Finn had a rival.
I just think it would be cool.
They could start off hating each other but become friends and team up.
Tiffany could've worked, but he only appeared a handful of times.
Finngays should accept that he is the Frodo of adventure time
People don't care about Frodo, they care about Gollum, Aragorn, Sam...
Just because it’s your opinion doesn’t make it true. Finn is objectively a popular character
Yet he is way way way less popular than Marceline or Ice King, or Jake for that matter
“Less popular” and “people don’t care about him” is two completely different things. Which is it?
the latter, both things can co exist by the way, there is a small minority (mostly from here) that still care about Finn when it is pretty clear he is a glorified side character since 2015
You do realize that ATs popularit went to shit at that time and that AT that you people are discussing might as well not exist for the normies.
AT is litterally just the first few seasons and that's it.
>there is a small minority (mostly from here) that still care about Finn when it is pretty clear he is a glorified side character since 2015
You either have a completely skewered view on the show or you’re flat out lying.
I think you guys have a skewed view. People here have made dozens upon dozens of threads about Finn and how the writers hate him, the truth is probably much simpler: Finn is boring and what could have been done with him, has been done.
Marcy and Simon are characters with much more potential since they are so tragic, Finn's only potential was his backstory (how is there a single human in Ooo?) and his relationships, both have been solved, there is nothing else to do with him.
Keep in mind, I think after Fionna and Cake, they've depleted Simon and Marcy's potential too, there's nothing else to do with them.
If I they ever manage to get something else greenlit, I have no idea which character they could possibly use as the main character.
I think Adventure Time's world has reached its limit
>If I they ever manage to get something else greenlit, I have no idea which character they could possibly use as the main character
Pep and Cadebra for a season of Wizard City adventures.
Of course you love the queer stuff and simp simp crap. You're a loser.
Prople don't want loser shit all of the time and the creeps who run the show hate the lead and dragged the show I to their self destructive gutter because they can't stand the light.
It's clear open hatred and jealousy.
Explain why the finale bombed so hard that CN bought YouTube views to fake popularity for it?
Why the marcue and pb only eps id frick awful and everyone hated them.
People hate both characters and the ball deprived simp called Simon
A loud minority of losers and paid shill doesn't mean anything.
They like Simon they hate the lesbros.
They do not. No.
Explain why reruns of teen titans go and the finale of the regular show blew it out of the water.
Why the god awful waffle episode is more beloved by the target demo then any robot AT after they aged up bubble gum.
>Explain why reruns of teen titans go and the finale of the regular show blew it out of the water.
The TTG thing doesn't appear to be true, going by ratings on wikipedia. And the regular show finale aired almost 2 years before the AT finale did. Ratings across all serial TV shows have been declining for years thanks to streaming. It's not a good metric to judge interest anymore. If no one cared about AT, they wouldn't keep milking it.
The finale didn't bomb, the demographic that watched AT just didn't watch CN anymore (not to mention serial TV in general). This is when they were airing TTG 24/7. It's why they released stuff like Islands and Elements on itunes before airing on CN.
>AT is litterally just the first few seasons and that's it.
wrong, AT's popularity exploded with season 4/5.
yeah that's when the tumblr pedophiles needed another series to fill the void of SU
Found this in another thread. Felt like posting it here
I haven't seen a general get even more mad about yuri than froggays since blushgate
The seething is golden.
It really was. Perfect revenge for KiGo; I will enjoy the seething for the rest of days.
>we derailed this straight planned endgame ship as revenge for not being able to derail another straight planned endgame ship
??
>straight planned endgame
lol lmao even
Ron x Kim gays are that desperate
gay
I've felt the urge to rewatch the show after seeing these threads, and watching the first season is just bumming me out. The later episodes are just so lifeless, awkward, and have those awful streaks of bitterness and melancholy, whereas this is just so filled with fun and verve that it lives up to the show's name. PB is someone I actually enjoy watching a lot more, she seems more genuine, she can have a bit of fun herself and indulges in at least a bit of others' silliness, she acts like more of a friend to Finn and a mother to her subjects, and even when she actually is talking down to people, it doesn't feel like it, especially since she talks to people like equals more often. It's also surreal seeing all the characters and offhand comments that will eventually be twisted into dour, expanded lore, to the point where even a quirky little candy pinata can't just be that.
I'd watch a thousand episodes of this. Just Finn and Jake going on endless adventures week to week.
It's so interesting to me that this opinion is pretty much the norm now, back when the lore was getting dripfed to us the majority of online voices seemed to fricking love it.
I really do think they could've done expanded lore and backstories and such without losing the spirit they had at the start. They didn't, but I think they could have.
I remember enjoying focus episodes like I Remember You and really looking forward to Simon & Marcy and the other hidden bits of the show getting at least some attention. I'd just say that having it at all doesn't inherently mean it should grow to the the extent of just how much it applied to all the characters or how much it'd take up the focus of the show and so on. If I had to make an excuse for it, it'd be that it worked better when it was more woven into the show as it was and played up the fact that the Land of Ooo was huge and full of secrets that Finn and Jake would barrel through, but it shifted into just being the secrets and stories of the characters in a way that just made every character wrapped up in melodrama and feel/sound tired and bitter.
That's the other thing: having the drama and lore and more of a serious tone wouldn't necessarily lead to the lifeless energy of the later seasons. It felt like the more the characters got to know each other and their various secrets and traumas and entanglements, the more detached to their previous selves they became and the less energy they had to do anything, let alone put up with each other and their weirdness. The goobers online who were in it for the shipping, lore, and drama might posture about how they feel that's true to their miserable lives and signifies growth in the characters, especially with Finn going through adolescence and losing his childish energy and innocence, but even if it wasn't handled as awkwardly/poorly as it in the show, I'd still feel it'd tread on the absolutely fantastic, thousand-episode premise that is Adventure Time's high fantasy surrealscape.
Yeah, I feel the same. The later seasons just seem so listless and unhappy, I won't say that I outright hate or resent them, but they simply aren't enjoyable to watch. The first four seasons were just so full of the love of life, so funny, and I would say even so emotionally affecting
>I'd watch a thousand episodes of this. Just Finn and Jake going on endless adventures week to week.
I've been rewatching season 1 too and know what you mean. I love watching two bros going around having fun crazy adventures. It feels totally effortless and natural in the early seasons, watching it again reminds me why I got into the show so much. Not that I don't like later Adventure Time, it can be great too. But it's such a different vibe.
>I really do think they could've done expanded lore and backstories and such without losing the spirit they had at the start. They didn't, but I think they could have.
Agree 100%. They just went overboard doing that and trying to be artsy while straying from the fun original premise of the show. Sometimes it worked out and made really cool episodes, other times it felt really weird.
I love those episodes too
>If I had to make an excuse for it, it'd be that it worked better when it was more woven into the show as it was and played up the fact that the Land of Ooo was huge and full of secrets that Finn and Jake would barrel through, but it shifted into just being the secrets and stories of the characters in a way that just made every character wrapped up in melodrama and feel/sound tired and bitter.
Sounds about right.
It sucks that such a great premise came along at the wrong time and so many cool ideas and dynamics had to be snuffed out in order to make way for Tumblr issues and venting. They wouldn't even let Finn interact with PB and Marcy later on because they feared people might ship him with them instead Bubbline, and the stories that filled the void of cutting out this core were mostly pretentious and depressing. I hope one day AT will be able to have a series where the main characters are all allowed to be in the focus and have fun together because the writers don't think it's problematic to show a white male character succeed at life in any way.
Simon would work better if they made his personality more consistent with the Ice King. He could’ve been say, a hippie stoner academic instead of the polar opposite of the Ice King. I get that the contrast was for dramatic effect when his backstory was revealed, but it sorta wrote them into a corner.
>He should have just been a crazy wizard without a tragic backstory.
What kind of character doesn't eventually have a backstory?
It didn't have to be a tragic backstory. Or as tragic, anyhow.
That's just the story writing itself.
Finn's an ESFP?
No wonder he's so moronic.
Wow he's LITERALLY not me
Let me guess you're a INTP or INTJ like 85% of this site?
I am a CHAD you fricking NERD.
>chad that participates in adventure time threads
bro... your delusions are getting worse.
Ice King's backstory was conceived early on during season two's production by Patrick Mchale
>I realized [sometime during the production of season two] that we'd never actually had Marceline and Ice King interact with each other in the same episode, and we’d also established that they were both 1000 years old. I thought that was meaningful, and so I started coming up with this whole elaborate backstory [explaining that] Marceline was the daughter of a demon and a human ... [and that roughly one thousand years prior to the start of the show] Marceline and Ice King were working together to save humanity [from vampires]. But Ice King was losing himself [to the ice crown], and it all landed on Marceline to fight off the vampires as the humans were escaping on an ark, set for some unknown shore. ... So in the final struggle, as a mutated horde of monsters and vampires come to kill the last remaining humans ... [Marceline] goes and fights the vampires with her demon powers so that the boat can leave. The humans make it, but Marceline is turned into a vampire. So she's stuck looking [like a teenager] forever, and Ice King is stuck being crazy ... and it's too heartbreaking for [Marceline] to ever even go near him, so she avoids him and lives in a cave ... Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat." But it was too much plot. Nobody was very excited about it.
Then they changed their minds while working on Holly Jolly Secrets because they couldn't make the original plot of Finn and Jake just watching real Christmas movies with their commentary in the background work so Patrick Mchale added the Simon Petrikov twist which Pendelton Ward thought was brilliant
>Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat."
kek
Tl;dr on what this is?
Writer pitch hyper autistic complicated backstory (The plot of Stakes) to the writers room to explain why Marcelin and Iceking never interacted in the early seasons. The others didn't like it but change their mind and took elements of it for the Christmass episode
Fionna is for Finn
In theory, Cake should have the same alien connections as Jake.
I never find anyone saying the first there seasons should be skipped. Is this some copypasta adapted to adventure time?
Adventure Time was just a 20 year plan to have an old man frick a bunny girl
For me, it's Ice queen x Finn
Why is she crying?
I think people exaggerate how much Finn stopped being the focus later on.
>He didn’t do anything in the finale
He stopped the Gumbald War but yeah he basically did jack shit against Golb.
BMO > Finn
Might be me, but my problem was less that the show gave Finn less focus and more that they gave that focus to characters I didn't really care about. Like Betty, who basically Poochie'd her way into the story to make it about her dead romance with Simon the Ice King. Her story's sad and all, but she essentially went from dead to dead-in-all-but-name. Whoopee, how sad.
Who donated the sperm
PB spermjacked Finn but did gene editing to make them better, fricked up and Lemongrab 2.0
Yeah, whom really
You act like he didn’t continue to act like a silly goober until the end of the show. His backstory gave him depth, but he never stopped being comic relief until Golb reverted him to normal.
Are we really going to talk about the Adventure of a Timemo?
Op is mad this show didn't stay serialized nothing for 40 years like the Simpsons. Ice king and the "plot" of adventure time is pretty much the only thing I like, so please smoke on a 9mm pipe.
>Hurr durr I have shit taste so you should have a nice day
Die in a fire you fricking homosexual
everything you like is terrible, have a nice day Black person moron
Eat nightshade, homosexual.
have a nice day loser
So none of the comics are canon?
Correct.
They are canon in the sense the multiverse is canon.
Multiverse theory. Everything is canon, nothing matters
fpbp
What happened to that Cinemaphile collaboration thread about duck heroes? I think the setting was like 1980s cartoons fantasy or something like that.
How come Billy was so underused?
They easily could've given him a flashback episode at his prime, used him more before he died or used him as an occasional astral mentor after he got killed.
I'm not sure there is much to do with him.
I did find it rather humorous how the Lich mirrored Billy's nihilism after accomplishing everything he set out to do.
yeah same but i also thought it was SUPER hot when he got naked and screamed at his momma
True, even if it was more used as a parallel to Simon’s own obsession
I don't know what to tell you about this, bud.
Ice King is such a funny guy.
This might be a nitpic but how the frick did Ice king not die after turning back to a human? The guy has no heart and I'm pretty sure the motor they put in his chest would have kill a normal human.
something something Golb brought his regular human heart back
holy crap, i completely forgot about that episode.
All that bullshit got digested by Golb. Also magic
Ice King having a tragic backstory is fine but I don't like what the story itself was. Him being a goofy wizard even after all the shit he went through could have been funny but instead they went in the direction that it's actually someone deep inside suffering and wishing for it to be reverted. This means we can't just enjoy Ice King for who he is
How old is she?
Younger than PB, older than Finn.
Old enough.
Old enough for Ice King to hit on
Ice King flirted with her when Finn was 14. Considering that Ice King directly makes it clear that he's not attracted to minors (See Mortal Recoil), we can assume that she is AT LEAST 18 here, but very possibly older. Considering that Finn was 16 in Flute Spell and in The Wild Hunt, at the absolute best she was about 21 when they first met and 22 when they got together. This, of course, is under the assumption that Ice King wouldn't hit on someone under the age of 18.
Either HW is a pedo, or IK is a pedo. No way around it.
>flirted with her
I didn't really interpret their interaction as flirting.
it absolutely is. IK even quotes the Jay T Doggzone book
Aging is kind of nebulous in the AT universe. Kim Kil Whan is like 2, is his wife a pedo? I feel like it's mostly just based on maturity/the sniff test, and Finn's pretty much an adult by 16 since he doesn't go to school. Or maybe Huntress just spawned out of the forest one day with an adult appearance/intelligence
Well the show heavily stressed Finn and PB could NEVER get together because of the (ephemeral) age gap so yeah, it's a thing in Ooo
>Finn is 13 and PB is 18
>this is too much
>Finn is 17 and PB is still 18
>this is also too much
>Finn is 16 and HW is 22
>this is fine
Ain't that some shit
Finn x PB is weird no matter how old Finn gets because PB was an authority figure to kid Finn. She watched him grow up.
That's sort of irrelevant in a world where she can be eternally 18 or even less if she feels like it, while he can outage her
Yeah but says it would be weird even if Finn was 30 while PB was 18, at that point he would've have had spent more time as older than her, than in her service while younger than her
She's 18, but also not. PB's not going to forget the relationship she had with Finn as he was growing up, and vice versa. On some level, her and Marceline will probably always see him as younger than them, and Finn will see them as older even when he's 80. That must be a really weird experience. I wonder if you'd get tired of living after thousands of years.
>I wonder if you'd get tired of living after thousands of years.
It usually only takes about 30.
Took me 15 years.
Fricking speedrunner
So you're saying if PB stayed 13 for 3-4 years after Mortal Recoil and hung with Marcy like that, Bubbline would forever be out of the question?
That's such a weird one to consider, because they were together previously. Which memories take priority? How does PB make sense of those conflicting relationships with marceline in her head? Honestly little pb makes no sense when you think about it too hard, so I prefer not to.
If Marcy could be with PB even after spending years with her deaged, then making Finn comfortable with PB and Marcy would only be a matter of reawakening Shoko's memories in him
Isn't PB like, 200+ years younger than Marcy? Wheres muh age rage for that AT?
Marceline never acts like the older one either.
It's not the number, it's the relative maturity. A 25 year old dating a 15 year old is fricked, but a 25 year old dating a 55 year old is much more acceptable even though the gap is 3x the size. 200 years is nothing when they've both been around for centuries, and are biologically the same-ish age.
That's fair, i can accept that. But i've seen so many people just throw the number around like that's the only reason.
It doesn't apply to le wholesome lesbians. When it's with guys, it's icky icky, delusional, male fantasy, gross, kimoi, grooming. When it's with girls it's so heckin cute, progressive, genuine and groundbreaking.
by the time Finn was 17 PB was already eating vampire poon, maybe if he showed up in 2011 as a 17 year old things might have been different
Strange how he stopped aging a year every season so early on
He sang about FP in I Remember You, who was like 14 at the time.
Maybe he's fine with fourteen year olds but not any younger?
>Ice King sees PB and doesn't react
>Only does after Nurse Poundcake says she's 13 again
maybe you're onto something
Y'know I swear I heard some writer commentary saying that they considered making a joke about how Ice King would still be fine with 13 year old PB, but decided it was too dark/gross/whatever and changed it.
Seriously I think about that almost every time I think about that scene it has to be a thing.
The real answer is she was at least 18 by her early appearances, but from Flute Spell onwards she’s around Finn’s age. At least for whatever species she is.
I’m certain she’s one of those characters with hundreds of years but that emotionally, physically and mentally she’s still a teen
I think you're right, when she was first introduced she was just a nebulous young adult character, but when she was retooled into a love interest they aged her down mentally wise to make it acceptable. Hope she's not immoral tho, that'd be kinda sad.
That being said, its still weird that FW Finn has a ~12 year old son while he's 29, it implies that he was 16 or 17 when Jay was born, making him a teen father. If HW is actually 4 years older like I said in my original post, that'd just be fricked, lmao.
Finn doesn't really have a concept of how human families work and HW is literally insane, so it's unsurprising if that's the case.
I just headcanon her as like 1-2 years older.
>it implies that he was 16 or 17 when Jay was born, making him a teen father
That's not particularly uncommon. That's when my mom had me. That's when the vast majority of humanity has their hormones flooding them to do that very thing.
She talks and acts much older than Finn.
He bagged himself a cougar
>Betty strips away his magic
>MURDERS Ice King
>Leaves Simon without so much as a note telling him “hey i’m not coming back good bye love you pls move on”
What the frick was her problem?
I liked it.
you can thank the gays infesting modern writing for what happened to adventure time and all the other gay cartoons.
plus the creator of AT is a massive s0.yboy
Penn left in season 2 and they introduced the Lich which permanently altered the tone of the show so they had to commit to the show having more mature tones. Season 3 had a lot of big episodes and Holly Jolly Secrets was huge when it came out in 2011. It somewhat confirmed AT was a show that would explore a serious backstory which was pretty much unheard of for that kind of show at the time.
>a certain type of person to Adventure Time.
Western animation fans in general didn't exist then like they did these days, there were straight up not a lot of shows and the ones that existed people were still hearing about them. Steven Universe hadn't even come out yet. The majority fanbases were like AT, RS, the pony show, and then older stuff like Samurai Jack and BTAS.
Penn left during season five
He became executive producer in season 3 and started delegating things to other people who worked on the show. He did much less writing and storyboarding after season 2.
[citation needed]
Pen talks a bit about the burnout of showrunning on the commentary track for 'Power Animal'
>pen: this episode... I feel crazy guilty about, because I changed most of adam's stuff on it
>adam: it's okay, I get over it
>rebecca: you changed a lot my stuff also...but it came out better!
>adam(?): it's your creative prerogative
>pen: I changed a lot of things, first, second season. I changed less and less as the seasons went on... as my brain broke apart (laughter -> music plays over commentary track)
As usual, the fricking music plays whenever they talk about anything interesting production-wise, I hate it.
Pen stepped down as showrunner halfway through s5, and left the writers' room during s7. His influence waned after the first 2-3 seasons because of burnout. Early episodes were meddled with a lot more.
That just creates a NEW problem then, his gimmick of being a crazy wizard got real old, real quickly.
>takes over the entire show
you are a moron who didn't watch the show