It was fine. It's a natural end for his character, if he really achieved his goal it wouldn't have made him happier or feel complete. This was the show finally addressing that.
I'm mostly glad they didn't waste money bringing back Ron Pearlman for just one sentence and some grunts.
>It was fine. It's a natural end for his character
bold of you to assume they wont bring him back AGAIN at the next opportunity. He literally just keeps coming back to the point im not sure if it benefits his character or just is a blatant case of overreliance
The only reason people like the lich is cause he has a cool voice. He stopped being menacing after the 3rd jobbing and his whole thing is just to monolog and job again.
>”what do you want from me now!”
This line implies that the Lich had some sort of prior experience involving Golb, perhaps that was the reason for his actions, I wish I could hear what he was whispering
That or he was just another loony nihilisrix cult nut who just presumed to know the desires of an idiot god thing and got bummed out when he got to personally experience how a world devoid of life is shit
He's got options. Move in at Marcy's place, get a place in Candy Kingdom with a my surrogate daughter is the princesses' gf discount, maybe move into Finn's old treehouse or a library
I can’t believe midwits think the show is condemning Simon or Petty. Beth spells it out as blunt as possible. The choices Betty and Simon make led them to this ending. There was just no going back once they went too far
Honestly this. The same parallel can be seen with Finn and FP. It’s not that they weren’t a good match for each other, but they made choices that ended having big consequences.
Most of us have had that friendship or love ruined by something stupid we did that we wish we could undo or do things differently.
It’s part of growing up and learning from mistakes. I cringe at some of dumb things I did and how they effected people.
Giving up on a relationship because of any single mistake from the other person because you refuse commital and sleeping around is not part of “growing up” at all. What a pozzed zoomer mindset. If the person you love makes a mistake you stay commited and help fix it, don’t just flick them aside as if love is superfluous and move on to your proverbial cinnamon bun fat bastard.
Oh I agree you should try to work things out, I meant more so in Simon and Betty’s case. What happen with Finn and FP was total bullshit but there are similar parallels. The moving on part being more so that you shouldn’t give up so easily, like FP did with Finn, but realize that no matter hard you try, things just don’t work out. In the case of Simon, not being able to move on despite the show being very clear that nothing can undo Betty’s fate but that the time they spent together should be cherished and not let regret hold you back.
It’s more so how one handles regret and accepting what happens than wishing to fix mistakes and not living in the past
I know Scarab getting to write a universe and glitchy Prismo are our sequel hooks, but I don’t feel interested in more AT if it’s not gonna involve characters we know >Prismo’s suggested theme of true heroism
I’d like to see Fionna do that theme..
I would be open to another special but in 3-5 years
I would much rather keep the specials going than get a reboot, honestly more shows should do this. It worked for futurama
>Jay just leaves his home to live in a different universe with his tomboy gf
Man now I really hope Farmworld Finn didn't die lol, those kids are gonna be eaten alive
Does the Ice Kingdom still have ice without the crown? Maybe Winter King warmed him to the beauty of ice again and he could live there in sweet solitude
Him ending up as a time room janny but starting to hang out with Prismo was nice. I'd like to see an episode of them just shooting the shit, playing vidya, and fricking with normies. Maybe start a podcast with Cosmic Owl
Honestly really based of Prismo saving Scarab despite what Scarab did. Prismo probably felt bad he never gave Scarab a chance with that “I was never invited to parties” line and wants to give Scarab a chance to mellow out. We’ve all had that person in out lives who gave a bad first impression only for them to be really cool after giving them a chance
>P Hey Scarab, if you had a clone of the Lich would you torture it? >S: Why not just say what if you had a tiny little Lich? >P: BECAUSE! >S: No listen, I wouldnt because they didnt commit the crimes! >P: Holy shit he did HE DID! >S: If its a clone he didnt fricking do anything! >P: He did do it! >S: No he didnt the actual Lich did Prismo! >P: He actually did it but this Lich did it in his head! >S: THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE! >P: He's still a bad guy! He's still evil! He thinks he did it! >S: BUT HE DIDNT! >S: WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A CLONE!?! >CO: Prismo it doesnt make sense... >TV: Can I make my wish now?
>Become literal goddess >Frick off to the void with a new job intertwined with cosmic bureaucracy >Ex thinks this is a bad thing >Tries and fails to “cure” you >His failures make him suicidal >He wants to commit suicide in front of you >Reroute his teleporting spell so that he sees that killing himself would also kill an entire world >He ignores that >He does it again >Reroute again >After going on an multiversal road trip he finally decides not to Jill himself >Instead he wants to induce ego death >In the same room as an omnicidal maniac >Reroute his teleportation spell so he gets transported to me >Gives a big speech and puts on the crown >The world in his head literally becomes corrupted because of course it does >Rewind time >He gives the speech again >Stop him from putting on the crown by sending his consciousness 1000 years into the future and tricking him into playing a video game that’s literally based on our relationship >He finally gets it through his thick skull >Just in time to because a coworker is trying to kill him >WTF he just threw that sentient crown containing the minds of its previous wearers into the void between universes >Whatever, not my problem >Finally give him a face to face and officially break up >May or may not have given up godhood the second he finally moves on
I mean, the wish was for the power to keep Simon safe. It really depends on the matter if Golb wants to stay fused with Betty or if it even has the power to choose.
While I think it could probably be better, I think there is definitely something interesting there. The Lich dedicated his entire existence to this one goal, and when he finally achieved it he suddenly realised he wasn't satisfied with it. Can you imagine that? It was an interesting moment of humanisation for the evilest entity in the show. This isn't what most Liches are like, but it is how the Lich who completes his goal is like. Because his goal is ultimately empty, there is some nice very old fashioned morality in play of the futility of evil. Good creates, and has meaning. Evil can only destroy and corrupt, and is left with nothing but a sad emptiness in the end. I am surprised that some people here dislike this when they are usually obsessed with old fashioned, very Christian morality like this.
>Simon and Betty form a relationship >Simon being an airhead doesn't realize he's taking the entire lead in it, Betty is content with being his supporting actor >This leads to Simon finding the Ice Crown and becoming the Ice King which would snowball into Betty choosing to jump to the future and try and "fix him" >Betty rather than talk with anyone just begins studying magic users and decides to try and scam the strongest magic user of them all and in doing so sees exactly the path she'll go down >Continues anyway despite getting multiple warning and failed attempts decides to make a choice she can't turn back on, getting what she wanted but basically sacrificing her relationship for it >Simon left alone begins going down the same path but when Golbetty finally spells out what his choices would ultimately mean realizes it can't work out anymore >Golbetty still cares about him, enough to let him live his life and to help him with the Fiona and Cake problem. >He works to move on
The entire point of this is that Simon and Betty both had other options. Simon could have been more considerate. Betty could have actually worked with the people who cared about Simon in the future and been fricking pointed straight to Prismo's time chamber. She LITERALLY gets her hands on the Enchiridion and all the gems and could have opened a portal and made a WISH to fix Simon which would have been within Prismo's powers. She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead. Simon and Betty COULD have worked, it's just the two of them kept making the wrong choices.
>She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead
This just seems like your own bullshit extrapolation to make AT’s shallow writing seem deep (something unfortunately common in these shit threads). Obviously in a choice between a benevolent wish by Prismo and a dangerous wish by Golb she would have chosen Prismo, she just never considered or tried or mentioned this faultless option because they needed to force a bad finale against a big evil monster.
Just wish we got to see our Huntress hanging with Finn. The finale really tried to push the Finn x Huntress ship with their parallels. Also would have been cool if Simon brought his Finn to help fight against the Scarab and have Finn be a semi mentor for Fionna on “how to kick monster butt”
That’s the monster Evergreen got the Crown’s gems from. Maybe it’s a world where the Lich’s catalyst comet never came or one where Evergreen found an aternate power source?
That’s the monster Evergreen got the Crown’s gems from. Maybe it’s a world where the Lich’s catalyst comet never came or one where Evergreen found an aternate power source?
Alright, these last two episodes were cool. But I'm really disappointed in that Simon didn't become immortal again in one way or the other, such as by becoming a wish-master. Probably because he's been immortal for so long and now he's just gonna die like any human? I really like Simon and this feels so sad.
Not sure, I remember when the Lich was described as a no nonsense villan who just wanted to end all life and didn't care about deeper meanings or fancy monologues, but then what's the point of keeping such a one note character for this long right. Maybe just keeping him dead after the 2nd time would have been better.
What was her end-game? Did she know she would transform back into Golb and disappear forever? Would Simon and Betty even meet in the dead world? Or is Betty wiped from existence since she demanifested in the void between worlds?
>So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained?
Yes, Scarab say they diseased all the universes they visited
So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained? And why does prismo start glitching?
Also wondering if they'll do a season 2 where they fix the shit they ruined in the vampire world
my best assumptions (which also aren't mutually exclusive, could be a mix of both) are: >1) Due to Fionna & Cake's world being in Simon's mind, the influence of Simon being "normal" that changed their world is contagious >2) It's An Issue with unauthorized universes or universes not directly connected with the rest of the multiverse because ???
either way something that would stop being an issue once their world was out of Simon's head and joined the greater multiverse
I would trust an AI to give better advice and be more trustworthy then an actual human therapist. You should never trust a medical professional with anything other then actual physical illness.
I get making Marceline and then subsequently Marshall black because Olivia is black, but why the frick is DJ Flame brown when Flame Princess was voiced by a white woman
>but why the frick is DJ Flame brown
Because coal is black and coal is most commonly associated with fire. That and because the bright red and yellow of fire contrasts better with darker tones then with lighter tones.
Yeah using that same logic Marceline and Marshall should be white since they're pale vampires, but they're not. Ash who was a darker-skinned vampire than Marcy is a pale white woman in the Fionna human world.
So Marshall could've been voiced by white guy and white in the human universe then, interesting
[...]
And Marcy's dad was voiced by a white guy
[...]
I just don't like hypocrisy
They also made Hunter and Ellis latino despite HW being played by a israelite and LSP voiced by Pen. I guess the rule was "no white guys unless they're gay".
This show has been subverted so bad that wanting to adventure in a fricking ADVENTURE TIME show is shown to be bad. Betty can also just do whatever the frick she wants but Simon has to move on because…?
Late to the party, did they expand on Golb more lately? That was such an asspull for a villain during the original finale.
Also do you think this is truly the last we'll see of the Lich or will they pull alternate universe stuff?
A solid 8/10, felt like it took a bit long to get things going in the first three episodes and I was not expecting a more brooding lich and did not think that was a good direction to take him in.
Overall like a 6 or 7 out of time. I still overall enjoyed my time with this series and think the series kept a good level of quality throughout.
Just a lot of small inconsistencies with handling characters and plot that add up. So many different writers being allowed to start up plotlines and lore only for someone else to wrap it up so they can do their own storyline and being given a little bit too much freedom with the cast. Characters randomly being stupid or out of character one moment only for them to be a total badass pulling 200 IQ actions another moment. Plus the writers in the later seasons had that “ALL MEN” attitude just to make the male cast look incompetent, useless, or bad.
The way they handled Gumbald with him having that dumb dumb potion on him still rubs me the wrong way. Yea of course he’s still gonna have something like that on him, he just had a internal revelation that patched things up with PB and hadn’t had the chance to “disarm” himself. Oh but the dumb c**t Aunt who just backstabbed Gumbald gets a pass because “trust me he was still evil”
8/10. Would've been a 9 if they didn't do that cliffhanger with the fanfiction AUs coming together. Only for the squirrel to actually bring anything useful while the rest jacked off in the corner. Baby Finn and Peppermint Tank I can maybe understand but you really need to confirm whether or not Jay's family is safe or not. He just feels like Martin Mertins unintentionally by having him abandon his family like that. The entire Scarab conflict was an afterthought. He just felt like a generic monster after the world became canonized and he kept going.
0/10
Fionna and Cake had little reason to even be here, and if the only point was Simon moving on then they did a bad job of it and most of it was still pointless masturbation
Feels like the kind of thing you need to be a seriously biased Adventure Time fan beforehand to enjoy, to any layman this was all unfocused meandering garbage and absolutely none of it was powerful or compelling
>I'm starting a sequel series, set after the events of a 10+ season show and continuing old themes and plots >WTF I don't understand anything that's going on or know any of the characters
For frick sake, you're the reason every movie adaption has to spend 30 minutes setting up the lore every fan already knows because you whine if you're not spoonfed every piece of subtext.
I understand all your puddle-deep "lore" and I know all of it. I watched Adventure Time too.
I just see that this show is trash, and anyone unbiased to nostalgia would see that it's masturbatory trash.
It's bad for being a bad show by all understandable merits on which a show is judged. The fact it has to do with adventure time "lore" and fanservice does not make it better or worse, it's shit of its own accords.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, it's an Adventure Time show about Adventure Time.
It's exactly as advertised.
If you expected something else after this much content from the same creators and are mad it's more of the same, that's on you.
People enjoyed Adventure Time. People enjoyed this because it's evolved from Adventure Time. It's why it was even made. Specifically to have more Adventure Time content.
It's not for you. If you don't like it, fine, but you are getting so angry that people are enjoying something you don't. Instead of complaining about something you're clearly not interested in, why not spend time watching something that you do enjoy?
And if you give some edgy answer that you don't enjoy anything or enjoy watching people get annoyed at your complaints, obviously you're not even here to discuss the show and just want attention.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I was criticising the show, because the show is extremely poorly made and I was replying to a post asking for people to rate it.
My comment about a layman thinking it's bad is in regards to a layman having no nostalgia for it that may blind them to how badly the story is written, because the story is written awfully here. The fact it ties back to previously existing "lore" with Simon and Betty does not change the fact this is a shit animated series and nor does your desire for a hugbox where noone should talk about the show if they think it was bad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not looking for a hugbox. The show has obvious flaws, like plot-points being dropped or pointless resolutions (like all the side-characters suddenly appearing in the last 5 minutes) but your complaints aren't about the show or how to improve it.
You're complaining it's more of the same and that's stupid because it's confusing to new comers, blaming nostalgia-bating, and it's bad because you say it's bad. Explain WHY you think it's bad other than 'It's my opinion it's bad because it's made for nostalgic fans and that's not me'
7 months ago
Anonymous
I said why I think it's bad. I said none of the moments were compelling or powerful or well-written. I said the story meanders and that Fionna and Cake are pointless. I said the story is largely about Simon but his side of the story is shittily told with a haphazard moral parable they force into the last 2 episodes.
None of my points was saying that nostalgia bait is bad.
It's that Adventure Time gays such as yourself are such manchildren you'll eat up any poorly made slop and cry persecution if anyone says it was badly made, only because it has nostalgia.
6/10 the multiverse stuff was super interesting,so was the lore, but what was the point? the ending felt incredible rushed, this needed two seasons at minimum
Honestly, I think they could just get away with doing anthology stories of different universes.
After all, the original Fionna and Cake episode was just another average episode but set in a different universe, and it was so popular that it eventually spawned the sequel.
I'm pretty sure most people would be content just have self-contained episodes set in different universes. So big plots, just fun adventures like the start of the show, just with different takes on the cast.
AT gets a 5/10 overall. i dont need to explain that.
F&C gets a 5/0. the star episode was fricking pointless and they spent way too much time on the gays in fionnas world. i think the real problem is they started with a moral they wanted to preach and then built the plot around that, and they frankly dont have the skill to make that work. even if they where better writers writing a story like that in a pre established world was fricking moronic. just a bad choice. it feels like it was written by someone with a shiny new literature degree.
it was good fan service, episodes 2, 6, and 8 where cool. it earned a 4, purely because its cannon adventure time. if it was a fanfic it would earn a 5. ill give it a 5 because i like adventure time and pawn swan made me smile.
7.7
it was 8.8 to me before the finale. I will rewatch the wishmaster ep and destiny and winter king and the star and jerry numerous times in the future
>Finn and the bear get no followup >Farmworld Finn probably dead because Jay and Little Destiny want to elope >Vampire world left without a Finn and the Peppermint Tank
>Finn and the bear get no followup
It's heavily implied to have been the Ooo equivalent of Big Destiny, although yeah it is strange they never follow it up for some reason.
FF fin is alive. Huge fricking doubt the oldest kid would just abandon his siblings in the middle of the woods while his gf's gang wants to beat the shit out of all of them. Plus our Finn has taken worst hits and nothing came of it.
Vamp world was already dead. The humans were below replenishment numbers. Persumbley Marcy got staked and BG went splat. The king guy was still very much in control and could live his days till the blood ran out.
Only loser in all this is baby world as now baby jake may never see his baby finn again forever. Plus baby lich.
No dummy that’s our Ooo 1000 years in the future. In the end sequence you can see the F&C fan girl doodling Casper and nova, she goes on to be the author probably after hearing the story from Simon
It came from a Simon who already lived through all this since GOLB isn't multiversal
so if Casper & Nova was written by Simon, but he was inspired by a game he made in the future, where did it come from?
Probably GOLBetty.
Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Golbetty might've manipulated time tangentially to lead to this, but it was most definitely the fangirl of Fionna and Cake at the beginning. Here's her sketch book. She made it.
What I get out of this is that Simon has a little e-girl crushing on him and obsessed about him like Betty was, Simon is doomed to repeat his mistake... but on the bright side, dicky
Simon would never initiate it, but Astrid... well she seems awfully curious as to why Simon and Betty never had a child. It would be a reverse-rape situation.
Probably GOLBetty.
Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Probably GOLBetty.
Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Did you guys not watch the epilogue? The little girl who was obsessed with Fionna and Cake were sketching out Casper and Nova while Simon told her about the old days and his adventures. Earlier on, they made a point to point out that the author's name was smudged on the book and then Simon assumes he wrote it, because of the crown (he doesn't even say it's the future, he says another multiverse version of himself must have wrote it.) The little girl was the author of the book, which is partially based on her exchanges with Simon. That's why Betty sent him to there, so he could see a reflection of his own life by someone the changed version of himself interacted with. It's a timeloop that Betty implemented.
Casper and Nova were made by Astrid though, right? We see her making the characters, which eventually make it into the CYOA gunbook. The idea that Simon made it was just something he thought when trying to get the book open
Nope, Betty just hijacked his mind and use it as a vessel for Simon to express her feelings for him. Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception
Probably GOLBetty.
Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
>Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.
>Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.
Agreed, I think this is show most blantantly when prismo says "Woah, their universe has been canonized? HOW did that happen?" Emphasis on how, he doesn't even know how his fanfiction got canonized.
there was no point to bring back the lich other than "oh noes hes back". we already get he becomes useless when he doesn't have a purpose. making him b***hmode and whine makes him so lame
Honestly, I was expecting Simon to shove the crown into his head for someone to wear in the Fionna universe. Returning magic to their world and containing the Scarab.
>actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game >actually he's not depressed anymore because uh AI therapy and fionna and cake are a thing
What a great ending
You must not have payed attention. It literally says Simon ignored Betty's better options and "let her sacrifice herself for him" meaning it's his fault.
And you miss the part were they say he's not really at fault (people can't read minds) and that even if the path the took was bad they didn't regret being together.
>actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game
They LITERALLY say it's not his fault.
They literally call him a child that didn't know better or pay enough attention and have him apologize for what betty did as if he was at fault anyway.
Beth specifically says it wasn't his fault, and later with Betty they acknowledge that she made her own choices and wouldn't change anything.
Simon didn't force her to do anything, the relationship was doomed but it's not like Simon was some toxic boyfriend or something.
Betty is considered obsessed and any positive feelings towards Simon are now portray as toxic or "one sided". They have simon apologize and say he wasn't supportive enough. It's just shit.
That’s your own schizophrenic projection. Relationships reach a point of no return. Fusing with an elder god is a point of no return for most relationships
Well she was genuinely head over heels for him even to the point that she literally made herself insane just to cure him. Simon letting her go is a sign that he's still not ready yet but the time will come when she'll fix things back to where they were
I think ultimately the Lich never truly understood Golb. He heard "embodiment of chaos" and assumed that meant killing everything. The Lich's machine like behavior and systematic approach to a one track minded goal was, at the end of the day, not very chaotic at all.
>Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception
Wrong. In all timeline and all universes, there are billions of people reading books at any moment. Betty chose someone who happened to be reading a book that expressed her intentions.
So there's definitely an intergalatic cosmic war going on in the background right? Cosmic Owl's warrant has him for profiteering of all things? Prismo keeps glitching, big boss relegates Scarab to a janny as he technically was fulfilling his function in the cosmic war, and Betty is manipulating everyone as primordial chaos much like how she might've manipulated events for Astrid to make Casper and Nova. All to communicate with Simon her thoughts and feelings.
What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
i dont know if this was hinted around the finale but one of betty's goals was to avert the entire mushroom war from happening. She might be basically throwing the universe into chaos so she could let this happen
So Betty actually can communicate with Simon this whole time but just chooses not to? Why did she wait so long to tell him to move on? He was clearly suffering the entire time.
When she fused with GOLB, she became enlightened and moved on.
Simon is behind her, in a cosmic sense, and her pursuing him means nothing in the infinite cosmos of a never-ending, ever expanding reality. In a ton of realities, Simons and Bettys got together, just not theirs and why should it matter? Their experiences lead them there and with monkeys-on-infinite-typewriters, likely would again, so why undo it?
She doesn't hate Simon and is fond of their history (on some level) but also has no use for him in the future. She doesn't want him to suffer outright, but his pain for her is based on his own actions and choices so it's deserved so he is who he is and simply erasing that she changes who he is (and with Fionna's subplot, we see that's a bad thing to just change people because you think it's in their best interest.)
So, GOLBETTY compromised, and helped Simon to cope by exposing him to himself rather than changing anything with him after he decided to confront the problems in his life.
GOLBETTY could have created a perfect reality for Simon, but Simon could have asked Prismo for that.
GOLBETTY could erase Simon's memories of her, but Simon has access to magic and tech that could do that if he wanted.
GOLBETTY could create a new Betty (if she's more content being GOLB) but Simon could also find another replacement Betty in another reality if that's what he wanted.
Anything GOLBETTY could have done for Simon, he's capable of doing himself through magic and technology. She's just moved on, and as unsatisfying as that is, it's at least realistic and GOLBETTY hasn't been a b***h to Simon either, rather, helping him to cope in healthier ways.
I keep seeing people mention this, but I don't understand where exactly this is implied. That lich was turned into a Tetris piece, but that doesn't mean that all the others are liches as well. They could simply be powerful entities that Golb turned into Tetris pieces, much like how the Lich was imprisoned in that Cosmic jail for a time.
So there's definitely an intergalatic cosmic war going on in the background right? Cosmic Owl's warrant has him for profiteering of all things? Prismo keeps glitching, big boss relegates Scarab to a janny as he technically was fulfilling his function in the cosmic war, and Betty is manipulating everyone as primordial chaos much like how she might've manipulated events for Astrid to make Casper and Nova. All to communicate with Simon her thoughts and feelings.
What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
>What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
The destruction of all realities so that the cycle may begin anew and primordial Chaos once again births new realities.
We know that the Enchiridion's creator is said to "reset" the universe every 10k years. It's what led gnostic-anon to believe that this would all end in the restart of said time loop. The israeliteels in the Ice Crown were seen on various usurpers who attempted to bind the primordial god of magic Coconteppi. Was this prior to Evergreen's timeline? Did Evergreen copy his homework or recreate the Usurper's tech through sheer brute force? We may never know, but the israeliteels are linked to wish magic everytime we see them on the Ice Crown.
Based and saved. Golbetty's endgame is still playing out.
so is this going to lead up to an eventual reboot of the franchise? I wouldnt be surprised if CN execs would want to remake AT like they have done with other series' before
Actually, most likely Farm Finn just went back and that's why Jay has no issue moving to another universe, since he wouldn't let his siblings behind alone.
>Simon goes nuts one day because of a crown >Through time frickery he contacts her from the future to apologize and help her move on >no lmao ill go to the future with you >She spends every moment in the future betraying anyone and everyone to gain more power to cure Simon >Gains the power of one of the most powerful wizards in the world >Also gains its memories to know there's a god of chaos that fricks everything irreparably even for Prismo's wish (this also means she knew about Prismo) >Has an epiphany telling her to move on from Simon and live her life >"lmao frick that. Hey Magic Man let's summon that god of chaos haha" >"uh, the god of chaos is gonna destroy existence as we know it. Who woulda thunk" >Coincidentally end up in the stomach of the chaos god and have a chance to use the wish granting crown >Use it to merge with chaos god and make it frick off leaving Simon cured (first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup) >Years later depressed Simon wants to use the crown to revive Fionna's world and find some purpose in life >"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee" >"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
Did the years of feminist homosexual shit that took over the show not clue you in to how these writers’ minds operate? Betty is a free spirit, bigot, free from accountability. She can do no wrong and even when she was doing wrong it was Simon’s fault for not having a proper handle on his women.
The writers are correct about Simon but not for the reasons they have in their head.
>>"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
Simon was just a dumb inconsiderate manchild who should just be happy for the sake of it even though his life sucks
They say he should have notice. Feeding her obsession without checking them out is what took them on that route, but she say that even than she doesn't regret he choices. There was probably a middle point and a better route, but that's way behind them and they need to move on.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They outright say Simon was an inconsiderate manchild and his relationship with betty was one sided obsession which doesn't make any sense.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Point me to the part in the episode where they "Outright say" that. Because I can guarantee you that you wont find it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The au jake calls him a child (for his mindset not body) and the game meant to be a parallel for their relationshit says he basically ignored betty or didn't pay enough attention to her (somehow). They have simon apologize for being inconsiderate and not appreciating her sacrifice. Even if betty says it's fine the show already dismisses her love as a weirdos one sided obsessions.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Holly frick you're just dumb
7 months ago
Anonymous
You've just been throwing insults at everyone who has a different opinion. stop seething and speak english
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The au jake calls him a child
That’s not an AU Jake, that’s Beth. She’s Jake’s descendant 1000 years in the future.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's just another version of jake or a reincarnation
7 months ago
Anonymous
Is still the same universe in the future.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's still a different version of jake and the universe did change from what they showed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You are literally watching a show and then converting it into your on fanfiction in real time and applying it to the show. It's honestly impressive.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That’s almost explicitly what they showed though moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're literally coping and in denial
7 months ago
Anonymous
She states that both of them made their choices because they couldn't live on in their memories only contemplating what could've been. She never blames him. She never calls him a manchild or a moron or says their relationship was toxic. She valued their time together even if they could've made better decisions. She had no regrets and now she's dead for good. Everything else is finncells injecting their own narratives.
>ywn have a Betty gf
7 months ago
Anonymous
betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG! the focus is on simons responsibility and fault for not noticing, not betty being a yes-man to everything
7 months ago
Anonymous
>betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG!
Thats not what the book was implying you moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I can play that game too, Yes it was you double moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No it wasn't you infinity moron plus one.
7 months ago
Anonymous
YES it was you giga mega tetra infinity moron plus two
7 months ago
Anonymous
I’m here to call you a moron too, looks like it’s 2v1 little bro. Put on your dunce cap
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Wrong
No, it just show them how the path they made them have an impossible choice, there's no way to know if the other path was better because you can't undo the thing you did. As far as we know, the other ending may even be worse, there's no way to know that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
youre moronic too
7 months ago
Anonymous
>she
She who betty or jakes reincarnation the show tried speaking through? Because bettys love for simon is considered a one sided unhealthy obsession even if neither of them recognize it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Somewhat but that wasn't the main takeaway. The main takeaway was that Betty wouldn't have it any other way and soothes Simon's guilt. Her actions, her decisions to sacrifice herself, were her own ultimately. Just as Simon could've been more attentive. It's these small idiosyncrasies you recognize after a tragic disaster separates you from your loved one, not "le toxi hetero relationship is bad." I have no idea why anons are coming to this and only this conclusion.
7 months ago
Anonymous
what was the point of guilt tripping simon so much then
7 months ago
Anonymous
he let a woman make her own decisions he should be killed
7 months ago
Anonymous
>tripping simon
Golbetty. Cannot. Talk.
She is Azathoth. Her only method of communicating with Simon is through manipulating time and space. It's the reason he's here in the first place so she can fulfill her "keep simon safe" requisite of the wish before dying completely.
I disagree with the twittergays saying this is all Simon's fault but I also disagree with the Cinemaphileanons saying the writers made it all his fault. I repeat - it was a depiction of a loving relationship that had flaws. Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix. Equal partners, equal responsibilities. Betty says as much and never regretted her time with Simon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix
Wish on Prismo to go back in time and fix it. Other characters in AT have timetravelled.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Other characters
Betty herself did, and it was stupid, because time travel in most stories is stupid.
7 months ago
Anonymous
its bettys fault. betty should have just gone to prismo, but that is more bad writing than anything.
>timetravelled
Prismo edits and alters universes to fit wishes. See Deadworld. Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo? Do you really think the cosmic baby fusion even realizes where it is most times? I don't think Golb can usually move to other higher order realms outside of times where he needs to exterminate them. And even then he only exterminates smaller realities like pillow universe.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i wasnt talking about time travel i was talking about uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty. >only exterminates smaller realities
says who? he was all set too eat ooo in the final.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty.
I don't follow what you mean. >he was all set too eat ooo in the final.
Yes, a smaller reality. Compared to Scarab waiting in Orbo's room or Prismo's Time Room, which is outside of time and space.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't follow
she could have gone to prismo and wished for ice king to go back to being simon, or wished for simon to lose the madness al la winter king. >outside of time and space.
didnt the show say gold would eat everything one day? based on how scarab reacts to golbetty, and prismo not being able to bring back margels, i think its fair to say everything means everything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
See my original comment: >Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo?
Do you think Golbetty can even say anything in the state she is in? >gold would eat everything one day
Yes and the universe will eventually reset. Still don't see your point? It's not killing everything immediately and at best it shows up to lesser realities like Ooo and pillow universe. It has not shown up to eat Prismo's Time Room or Orbo's realm or Cosmic Time Owl's nest.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you cannot be this stupid. i dont believe it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No rebuttal. Okay so you agree with me Golbetty cannot speak the way we do as an eldritch deity. And that the deity is not all there in the head to make conscious decisions.
7 months ago
Anonymous
its bettys fault. betty should have just gone to prismo, but that is more bad writing than anything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just gone to prismo
Going to prismo is really hard though, I mean could you even imagine what Wyatt had to do to get to Prismo?
7 months ago
Anonymous
There's a symbolic and a practical result of a sacrifice. Sure you can say Betty's sacrifice to give Simon a new lease on life was beautiful but in practical terms she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
The folly of self-sacrifice is you don't get to see the consequences of your actions in the world and people you leave behind. The world has to move on and the notion of someone dying to protect someone else is noble and good and all that in a story with an ending but after that people still have to continue living and the bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
Simon wanted to do the same to Fionna and Cake. But at least they could actually build their lives because they did have a whole world to live in. Simon didn't
7 months ago
Anonymous
>she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
Monkey's Paw is a part of wish magick. Also, I doubt she had full control over the Golb aspect. More like she was coming in and out from a waking nightmare to change little things here and there. >bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
Guilt is, after all, the ultimate expression of love. At least in this context. Even when your yaldabaoth gf doesn't want you to feel guilt, sorrow, and loss. >Simon didn't
Depression clouds judgement. In the end, he was blown back to Ooo by Betty. It's reminiscent of how Fionna blew on the dandelion and the magic one later in the finale. It's her last wish to recognize he has a world to rebuild himself in with people that love him.
From Marceline to Finn to even peripheral characters like Root Beer Guy and T.V. enjoying his company. Astrid enjoys his company so much that she even goes on to make Casper and Nova.
They will keep Simon safe from the madness and the sadness, the call of the Crown, by giving him meaningful interactions and self-worth.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What do you think BMO's sacrifice symbolizes in that regard then? They made a point of referencing he gave his life up to assist strangers and that it was pointless but noble in his funeral scene. One the one hand, we could look at it as a reprieval from an existence in that dark world but BMO was seemingly equally content with or without the world continuing around him during his play sessions. Was it just foreshadowing about the potential devastation of Simon's potential sacrifice returning to the Crown?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I think it was mostly a way to make BMO not be stuck in a dead world after he was clearly mad beyond help. But it draws a parallel with the sacrifice theme. Although again in practical terms Simon getting the crown would definetly have turned Fionna's world magical because that's what it was originally.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>after he was clearly mad beyond help
BMO seemed to be acting normal to me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
BMO was fine, his death was simply made to make the audience feel bad because he's the purest character in the show and his sacrifice did nothing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what happened at all you're just a moron. Might have to rewatch the episodes again.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's literally what happened moron see
The au jake calls him a child (for his mindset not body) and the game meant to be a parallel for their relationshit says he basically ignored betty or didn't pay enough attention to her (somehow). They have simon apologize for being inconsiderate and not appreciating her sacrifice. Even if betty says it's fine the show already dismisses her love as a weirdos one sided obsessions.
and watch the scenes again slower
Holly frick you're just dumb
>Holly
When you're done coping end your life
7 months ago
Anonymous
Zero media literacy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
All they say is that he was blind to it, Casper has a fricking blindfold for frick sake
A "daughter" that didn't even care that much about him. Seriously I hate Marceline for not showing up. That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.
>That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.
Marceline was to busy having fun with PB somewhere else, its not her responsibility to help Simon after she has already done so much for him.
>after she has already done so much for him
Yeah so many things she did for him like..... uh...
Oh and let's conveniently forget that he TOOK CARE OF HER AS A CHILD FOR YEARS AFTER WORLD WAR III
In the beginning it was understandable because the whole point was that he was wanting to feel needed and to have a purpose, and making his daughter worry would have the exact opposite effect. He had purpose after his world ended because he dried her tears and made her laugh, and lost that purpose when he added to her tears and made her frown. Telling her all this shit would end the laughter she’s enjoying with Bonnie, and replace it with a frown. She’d want to help, but there’s really nothing she could do because she’s not a little girl that needs his help anymore.
But you’d think he’d want to catch her up on events. Probably doesn’t feel like she should know about her evil self at least. And probably doesn’t want to explain his reasons for how he got into all that mess, which would make her worry.
There’s no reason to believe she doesn’t visit for tea and strawberries from time to time, but he’s the first one that wouldn’t want to distract from “young” people’s passion, he knows how it is. Hanging out with an old man all the time to do.. what, exactly? How can a teen vampire and an old archaeologist have fun together? What interests do they share?
Do you hang out with your parent often, aside from coffee and catching up? If you do, it’s likely because you share hobbies. I can’t see Marcy and Simon enjoying the same activities. Look how it went when Finn tried to involve Simon in his interests.
And the ending montage is supposed to be about him finding value in himself, not needing someone else.
>yeah my insane grief and depression led me to a desperate effort to summon my demon god wife which led me meeting a sad girl who I went on a quest to to throw myself away into dementia and madness again for. it’s all good now though I worked it out. I think.
yeah I’d need some time before I started sharing that with loved ones too
this
simon did nothing wrong, frick the writers, why must every sweet relationship be Le toxic metaphor. the implication back then was that they were the perfect happy couple before the ice crown
[...] >Simon goes nuts one day because of a crown >Through time frickery he contacts her from the future to apologize and help her move on >no lmao ill go to the future with you >She spends every moment in the future betraying anyone and everyone to gain more power to cure Simon >Gains the power of one of the most powerful wizards in the world >Also gains its memories to know there's a god of chaos that fricks everything irreparably even for Prismo's wish (this also means she knew about Prismo) >Has an epiphany telling her to move on from Simon and live her life >"lmao frick that. Hey Magic Man let's summon that god of chaos haha" >"uh, the god of chaos is gonna destroy existence as we know it. Who woulda thunk" >Coincidentally end up in the stomach of the chaos god and have a chance to use the wish granting crown >Use it to merge with chaos god and make it frick off leaving Simon cured (first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup) >Years later depressed Simon wants to use the crown to revive Fionna's world and find some purpose in life >"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee" >"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
>he contacts her and says he forgives her for leaving him ages ago >then she jumps through >She spends every moment in the future alone and scared with no humans or sense of familiarity. She had nothing in this new environment due to her rash actions. >Comparably, Simon knew the wizards, Finn & Jake, Marceline, Bubblegum, etc. He already had a support network >only knows Simon and desperately attempts to restore him >not unlike Ice King obsessing over Princesses as cope for Betty >Patience literally ruined Ice King and Madness Betty's fledgling relationship for her own gain >when Golb is summoned and swallows them, she pushes finn and Simon away to self-sacrifice >tries multiple wish queries, all fail >uses it with the EXPLICIT STATEMENT: "I wish for the power to keep Simon safe" and the wish crown interpreted this as combining with Yaldabaoth >as Golb is incapable of human speech >practically a vegetable or cosmic level IK insanity due to becoming one with Azathoth the blind idiot god >notices her paramour attempting to crown himself again. Doesn't know full context of it, attempts to stop it >fails repeatedly because Simon is blinded by his love for her and his desire to feel important >finally summons her former love to say goodbye >literally can't speak >has to use metaphors and proxies to communicate via time frickery >finally mind-merges with him and shares a wholesome moment with them in a critical memory >doesn't blame him, even when he blames himself, and takes responsibility for her inadequacies expressing herself during their time together >knows she can never see him again, in life or death, as the fusion is too complete and the golb side will soon destroy her mind, agency, and soul
I just don't get why the story went over people's heads and anons feel like the writers have it out for Simon.
Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn. Simon's memories of being Ice King are a haze of nonsense Ice King might as well be another person.
>Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn.
>Bella Noche cancels out all magic >Simon is restored >first thing he does is drop to his knees and contemplate on what happened >second thing he does is recognize Marceline's lousy ex and did the fatherly thing of punching him and taking his flying carpet as a mount >other instances show he retained a lot of knowledge from his time as IK even if it was just a haze >PB naturally comes along and helps as she's connected to Finn and Marcy >never freaked out at the prospect of a talking dog, didn't blink at a city of wizards, etc.
He's far more accustomed to this world than Betty was.
Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn. Simon's memories of being Ice King are a haze of nonsense Ice King might as well be another person.
so shes allowed to make sacrifices while simon doesnt
Yes
Betty is allowed to make sacrifices but Simon isn't allowed to. He needs to be fully aware of his miserable life, but oh wait see he's not miserable anymore because muh therapy and gender bent versions of characters that already existed when he was miserable.
7 months ago
Anonymous
betty stopped him from using the crown to show him "the truth" with casper & nova and how fionna & cake can be saved without resorting to the crown's insanity. the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood
Yeah he understood he was an inconsiderate child who didn't appreciate betty enough and should just be happy in his loneliness.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
Even ignoring the GOLB stuff, she's had 10-20 years to meditate on their relationship and realized it was nice but not what she wanted in the future.
No matter how dedicated Simon was, if Betty doesn't want to date Simon, it IS selfish for him to force it on her.
Simon just has to move on and find someone else who isn't just a memory. (And even if he went back in time and fixed things with a previous Betty, it still wouldn't be his Betty, since she's outside of regular space-time, so it's just a less-healthy version of moving on)
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
This show makes it seem like a one sided obsession when simon has also stayed in love with her all this time. He was rightfully miserable without her but now he's fine with it because the hack writing demands it. She did not do him a favor by leaving him alone to think of her as an abomination in a place he doesn't fit in. Betty can force her bullshit on simon while the show simultaneously pretends he's at fault. It's shit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
She left him there, sure, but everything else was his own fault.
He chose to research magic.
He picked the expedition for the crown (and seemingly all their expeditions.)
He put the Ice Crown on (to impress Betty as a joke.)
He used the ice magic to survive the apocalypse.
He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.
Now, Betty made the choice of becoming GOLBETTY, but she never implied that was Simon's fault (or that it was even a bad thing.) But there were plenty of points that Simon's decisions should have clearly destroyed their relationship (as it did in other timelines, like Winter King not caring about Betty or Simon choosing to die like in Farm World.) Their relationship was never a guarantee.
It was shitty that for her to just leave without explaining anything to Simon, but changing reality on the whole for Simon to understand doesn't seem to mesh with cosmic bureaucracy GOLB and the other entities seem to function on.
Now Simon gets to continue on living in a world built from his decisions and understands that power. And we've already had episodes focus on how Betty's enabling of Simon was harmful to her but done out of love, so it's not like it's saying Simon is solely to blame. Sometimes relationships just don't work out but people think love is enough to keep it together, but it's not.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.
I don't think he actually intended for that to happen
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, that wasn't his intent (and it was Betty's choice to jump through it) but he still did open the portal for selfish reasons (and even asked Marceline to sacrifice a meaningful memento to do so.)
He actually wanted her to stay, and it was a good think she did't, because it kept him alive.
But, that's the point of Casper and Nova. It's not saying Simon is wrong for making the decisions he did, but that he can't be annoyed there's only one destination when he's repeatedly chosen a single-path. It's not even out of malice, as seen by him willingly embracing Betty's new ideas on the expeditions, but that he's simply to goal-focused. It could be even argued that finding Betty (after returning to Simon) wasn't just about his love for her, but he felt that by finding her this would lead to fulfillment in his current life, similar in to The Lich succeeding in the genocide of his universe and feeling unfulfilled.
She jumped through a portal that was only supposed to be a way of messaging her, kept pursuing him and insisted on getting him out of his crown again only to leave him out of place and much more miserable in a world he had gotten used to. Simon gets to continue living on in the same situation shown as shitty for him in the first episode. Betty did make simons life worse with her self righteous sacrifice and the ending doesn't really change what was wrong it just says simon should get over it.
As seen in the other realities, many Simons don't end up with their Betty. GOLBETTY didn't force Simon to live in a future dystopia, as seen by the other Simons. It's not destiny, but Simon's reality has to play out like it was intended. The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems, but she never promised to and it's not her fault that Simon is stuck in the magic future. Simon is trying to force her to fix things for him, and that is a little selfish. But, it's a messy situation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems
To be fair she did solve the whole universe in his head problem by canonizing it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Betty brought him out of being ice king and pursued him after all these years only to leave him alone AND guilty over her fate. Simon didn't bring her through that portal to oo like you tried saying. Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm saying it was Simon's choice to open the Portal to Ooo. He didn't WANT Betty to come through, but she thought it was in his best interest so did it (another thing she did for Simon, regardless of what it meant for her, which was an issue she admitted she had)
It's fair that Simon felt guilty and this was something bad GOLBETTY did to him, but his quest wasn't about saving her but to be with her (whether she wasnted to be or not), so it was tainted from the start. And if Betty died in the future, he would have just felt guilty about opening the portal. Just as while he thought she died in the past, he felt guilty about becoming Ice King. Simon just has a guilt complex from the choices he makes.
And Betty was just trying to cure Simon (something he had asked for) not force it on him.
And the final thing that fixed him was GOLB, and while he was summoned by Betty, she didn't know how it would fix Simon.
Simon wanted to be normal and in his moments of lucidity as the Ice King lamented for it and even attempted it.
She didn't force any of this on him, just helped him achieve his goal (in a round about way) and that made him unhappy.
Now he thinks his only goal at happiness is to have her and she's not interested.
[...] >Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself
In that future dystopia. It's absolutely bettys fault simon is stuck in a worse situation in an environment he no longer fits into. She didn't put him in oo but she brought herself there and did make things worse for simon.
Without her jumping into the future, Simon would have died. Are you saying it would have been better for Simon to jump into the past and just die there? For Betty to live a lonely life in the modern era wracked by guilt she couldn't save Simon, the man who warped time to be with her?
I WANT Simon and Betty to be happy together, but from a realistic perspective, if someone doesn't want to date someone they shouldn't feel obligated to be with them or it isn't really love keeping you together.
7 months ago
Anonymous
But Betty did force simon while your dumb ass was saying earlier "he shouldn't force anything on her and move on like she did". Betty is a dumb hypocrite, simon did not bring her into oo, and yes simon would be better off dead than with an insane woman like this. Genuinely nobody really wants the "love" betty offers. Frick that ugly abomination.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ah, so your complaints have nothing to do with the show itself and you're just looking to complain about women.
She didn't force anything on Simon. She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon (who thought he was about to die anyway so it didn't matter; he just thought Betty was safer in the past) and then she helped him to do the thing he was already trying to do.
The only thing she didn't do was love him back in the same way he did, but there's nothing moralely wrong with that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
She literally forced simon out of being ice king only to fuse herself to golb anyway. Again even though past simon isn't built for oo and he got used to being ice king. Yes I did watch the show you dumb b***h.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon
She literally forced herself into oo and onto simon. How can you be this much of a betty simp.
7 months ago
Anonymous
And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
What's your point?
They both made bad choices that hurt themselves to enable the relationship and in their attempts to help each other.
There was a whole fricking episode about how Betty, wrongfully, put Simon first a lot of the time.
We're seeing Simon trying to stop Betty from moving on and being taught why it's in their best interest to move on. Simon's not even seen as the bad guy, just as part of the reason their relationship didn't become what Simon had wanted it to be.
>She can't decide that the effort was pointless
She can randomly but it makes no sense and she did hurt simon worse than he was. >What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King?
She literally does force him back into simon and this show just showed it's not what he really wanted. Old regular human simon doesn't fit in oo.
You are being deliberate obtuse. She CANNOT FORCE SOMETHING ONTO HIM IF HE IS ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT SAME GOAL. Yeah, it sucks he's an old man stuck in the magic future but he'd be in the EXACT SAME FRICKING BOAT without Betty, as seen from the other fricking timelines you ignorant twat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
That's not a guarantee and even if he did so what? People don't move on from a lot less than what simon experienced, and betty didn't even die just turned herself into a freak while simon is alone now out of place in oo thinking of this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Betty brought him out of being ice king and pursued him after all these years only to leave him alone AND guilty over her fate. Simon didn't bring her through that portal to oo like you tried saying. Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself.
>Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself
In that future dystopia. It's absolutely bettys fault simon is stuck in a worse situation in an environment he no longer fits into. She didn't put him in oo but she brought herself there and did make things worse for simon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If Betty doesn’t come to future Ooo Simon croaks right there and maybe the rest of the magic users do too
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not really since more convincing ass pulls are possible. Also simon being put out of his misery is STILL better than being forced into a worse situation by a crazy b***h who swears she loves him.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was fine for Betty to come to Ooo. She fricked up by not accepting IK and being happy with him(or even just letting go of the relationship and finding something else to do).
This was all Patience's fault though, if Betty didn't get frozen she would've had a heartwarming bonding moment with IK and maybe not want to get rid of him.
7 months ago
Anonymous
She jumped through a portal that was only supposed to be a way of messaging her, kept pursuing him and insisted on getting him out of his crown again only to leave him out of place and much more miserable in a world he had gotten used to. Simon gets to continue living on in the same situation shown as shitty for him in the first episode. Betty did make simons life worse with her self righteous sacrifice and the ending doesn't really change what was wrong it just says simon should get over it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
After everything she did previously to be with him yes it's wrong and makes no sense.
7 months ago
Anonymous
She can't decide that the effort was pointless? Have you never put effort into a relationship only to realize it wasn't worth it after the fact? People grow apart, Anon. Nobody should be forced to be with anyone else if they chose not to be. And it's not like she devalued Simon or tried to hurt him. We've seen plenty of toxic relationships on this show.
She just moved on and tried to help him learn to do the same.
She literally forced simon out of being ice king only to fuse herself to golb anyway. Again even though past simon isn't built for oo and he got used to being ice king. Yes I did watch the show you dumb b***h.
What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>She can't decide that the effort was pointless
She can randomly but it makes no sense and she did hurt simon worse than he was. >What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King?
She literally does force him back into simon and this show just showed it's not what he really wanted. Old regular human simon doesn't fit in oo.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That was after the fact, and you know it you moron.
He was in a transitional phase trying to cope with being an old man in the future which he doesn't understand when Ice King was easier and he's trying to revert to that, which he even says is not healthy.
If he managed to free himself from the Crown without Betty, it'd be the SAME fricking outcome.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What is healthy to you b***h? Again betty turned herself into golb and that's seen as a heckin virtuous sacrifice. Simon clearly got used to being ice king and even if it wasn't perfect they show he was better off. But she not only forces him into normal simon but forces him to stay that way while making him live with the worse reality she made. Betty would have even been better dead than golb.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I give up. You refuse to accept that Simon (as Ice King) wanted to return to normal and instead it HAS to be Betty that did it to him.
You HAVE to make Betty the villain in your mind and refuse to listen to any logic why they're both at fault.
Enjoy your day, because you're brain dead and clearly aren't going to make it much longer into the evening.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I didnt want Ice King to become Simon
The part of him his long gone.
Ice King was receiving his own character development
I think all that needed to happen was for him to be able to remember his past.
I think people shouldn't get stuck chasing what once was but they shouldn't forget it and run away from it either
We should've gotten a Simon King. Or Icemon. Something like that but not evil like the Winter King.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why does he have a marceline doll
7 months ago
Anonymous
Because just like in the Fionna and cake series, Marceline doesn't visit him.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Absolutely insane she didn't come to see him in the finale
I was sure it'd happen to follow up on the scene where they didn't get to talk in the 2nd episode
7 months ago
Anonymous
There's a whole episode about him trying to talk to Betty one last time and him saying he doesn't want to go back to being the Ice King
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ice king didn't want to become Simon, but who cares what the Ice king wants right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
ICE KING NEVER EXISTED. HE WAS A DELUSION PUT UPON SIMON. HE'S NOT REAL.
It was a bad Idea, Simon felt like shit and tought she should do for Fionna what Betty did for him, the entire ending is Betty telling him not to and that she doesn't regret anything she ever did with and for him.
They made mistakes, but there's no changing them, Simon did the right thing by learning to move on, from Betty and the Crown.
You know, the title of Azatom is because he is sleeping and is unaware of the world, not because he is a literal blind and idiot, because the moment he wakes up and realizes shit is going down he is going to destroy the world. Golb is aware of shit, he is just more akin to an traditional actual god than the frat dudes AT normally likes to portray as cosmic entities because is funnier.
And don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value, is cringe, is just a serie of books with a cool, but now overdone, thematic and themes.
I doubt they were going for a 1-for-1 interpretation. Another anon brought up another potential source of inspiration Mana-Yood-Sushai who slumbers after creating smaller gods and was reworked as the herald of Azathoth. But that's neither here nor there; I only use this as an example of AT being a melting pot of various concepts.
>don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value
Do you mean the digital adventure-book Astrid makes? Casper and Nova?
I more worried about your interpretation than the showrunners. Concepts of life and death and creation and destruction are nothing new really, you can find a ton of those in most cultures. But some are better than others and is probably best to keep the gene pool clean of moronation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's fair. It all depends on story execution and general reception to it. Every story is a reaction to something in the past, and on and on it goes.
>"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
Why did it have to be like this. This is the only part that is truly upsetting. 'Oh I moved on' DAMN YOU WOMAN YOU'RE A GOD!!
What the frick was the ending? Simon didn't seem like a selfish butthole at all until they portrayed him that way in episode 10. He didn't ask Betty to sacrifice herself. She became Golb of her own free will.
AT is basically a cult classic at this point, to many it might seem just your run of the mill child's cartoon but despite being bad at it has one of the best well panned lore out of many franchises currently out there
7 months ago
Anonymous
Okay? This finale is still slop
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm betting that you hate how they didn't just turn the f&c verse into its magical self again
Good luck with that though, that's basically the norm in media nowadays and despite being a lame troupe it'll be reused again and again
7 months ago
Anonymous
The “escapism bad, moving on is good” plot is trash and I’m tired of it. Who is the person that needs to be told from 30 different places this exact same message?
YES eternal sunshine of the spotless mind really really really sings in the same tune as betty and simon's relationship
i was saying this just before the last episodes released (was making a playlist about simon and betty and a song from the movie shuffled in and took me by surprise)
How do you think Marceline reacted when Shermy and Beth told them about the recent incident where the former got possessed by someone called Simon Petrikov?
He wasn't that pathetic. He was interesting and oddly humanised in his final moments. If the Lich's evil goals were shown to ultimately make him happy it would betray classic Christian morality. Having him never find that satisfaction and question his purpose to the very end after living a life of evil is weirdly a great way for him to go out. A pure evil existance can never be fulfilling, because Evil can only destroy.
ALL STRAIGHT MEN ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND MUST ALWAYS BE PUNISHED FOR DARING TO EXIST. ONLY GAYS, LESBIANS AND MIXED RACED COUPLES (BLACK MAN WHITE WOMAN COMBO) ARE ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY
>Every anime season i check out all the fantasy anime that comes out for at least 1 episode >first fantasy anime comes out, it looks ok but i can't stop thinking about adventure time so im not paying attention at all
The world of Ooo is just so much better and alive, with way better adventures, i can't blame prismo for copying it, i should get back into worldbuilding autism
I wish the scarab moved faster and more methodical actually. I feel like there was to much time in the final fight where he is just standing around and not actually trying to kill Fionna and cake. I mean I understand it was because the story needed Fionna and cake to survive but I just wish they found a way to do it without holding back the scarab.
All the complains about the finale are moronic, the only valid as to why its suck its because GOLBetty didn't vore Simon. Even Simon wanted to be vored, why'd they punish him like this?
I bet betty was already willing to let simon inside Golb but backed off from it after learning that he still has around twenty more years to be around and have so much to live for. Who knows, maybe when he finally dies golb can merge his soul on to her.
honestly the ending was half baked, they could've parted by telling simon that she still loves him but she doesnt agree on trying to risk his life just to save other people since despite being a force of nature golb still has a faint memory of betty inside it. Maybe he could've given her a parting kiss and told her to hold out just a bit more idk. The ending is fine in all, but you couldn't just not argue that its isn't pretty lacking. Telling to move on is basically useless since he has spent literally almost a decade in ooo and just a little more than a decade he's basically going to perish anyway
>its always open to a lot of interpretations
Interpretations that are garbage and so far to what the show was trying to convey. Not the same Anon but seeing those replies makes me wonder if we watched the same thing like a lot of the complains (specially the ones involving Simon and Betty deal) aren’t what actually happened at all and it’s just misunderstanding everything shown
Maybe separating herself from Golb and dying or fully being one with Golb. Presumably she has now moved on from her obsession with Simon and now that she made sure he’ll be ok without her, she no longer feels the compulsion to “keep Simon safe”
Big missed opportunity to have Martin be in one of the eggs. Upon getting out he looks around and just immediately fricks off again into the space between dimensions
Their universe was in a constant state of not being magic, therefore they can sometimes pass thru thei non magic status to other things.
Now that their universe is real and not bounded out by SImons mind that's not a thing anymore
It just occurred to me that the weeds symbolize the imperfections of the universe, and that Hunter's whole speech from the first episode was about accepting them, which Fionna obviously didn't until the very end, to the point where she's literally planting them along with Hunter. Is that right? Am I interpreting this correctly?
>It was just a dream bro >a few episodes later you get an entire rundown on the multiverse from booko and how different worlds can become linked
Y’all are some stupid mother frickers
The finale was good but they missed a chance to be bombastic and generate future buzz, Bubbline kiss generated crazy hype for the OG finale and something like that was missing here
This spike right here is entirely due to all the articles about "gaysbians real on CN??", do you think the people that dropped the show would've cared if not for the kiss?
Anon, the buzz around a show pulling stunts is not an indicator of quality.
You'd sacrifice quality of product just to have people's focus on it?
No but they did it before so that integrity ship sailed, and they can try to make them quality stunts if they want to, nothing's preventing them from doing that, I'd say the Lich and Prismo/Farmworld were the original fanfare finales that helped put the show on the map
I hate hypegays so much
just shut the frick up not everything needs to be garbage that gets reactions on social media from subhumans
Not sure how else the Lich's story should have ended. It's a properly haunting conclusion for an avatar of cosmic horror to succeed in killing all life and then just end up as another empty obelisk revolving around the sky of their uncaring patron. I mean, what else is there for an embodiment of death in a world where everything's already dead?
>ALL POTENTIAL F&C SIMON AND MARCELINE INTERACTIONS NEVER HAPPENED >ALL BECAUSE OF BUBBLINE (the only SCENE where they talked and ignored simon because muh heckin marcy lesbo tattoos with pb bubblegum!!!)
God I hate this ship with a burning passion...
Yes. He quite literally got the ultimate reward for his servitude to GOLB. He brought oblivion to countless others, so he was rewarded with the embrace of oblivion himself.
GOLB is essentially Leviathan from the Hellraiser franchise, right up to having a very alien understanding of how best to 'please' those who serve it.
What do they get out of just dancing around the stuff people want to see but never getting to it, I feel like the whole show was someone circling an apple with their open mouth and never taking a bite
What do you mean? Real fans wanted to see Bubbline and they were able to see it. You are just some seething CHUD from Cinemaphile. It's like Beth said: "if you're not enjoying yourself you can just stop"
>Finn and Fionna would get along >Marceline and Marshall would get along >Bubblegum has a 50/50 chance of either getting along with Gumball, or think he's a pansy, while Gumball would think she's insane
Not only did they put so much focus on gays in their limited run time but it was inferior versions of the gays. So even the people who are into that got dissapointed
Based on how they handled this it would just be 8 episodes of finn sucking wiener after his wife huntress dies. Lol at huntress fans thinking they were gonna show finn with her.
I feel like Simon Petrikov, the character that drove himself to the brink of madness to get his adoptive daughter some soup, and who spends most of the new series essentially trying to damn himself in order to save some other people he barely knows, is not really the one they should have taught a message about sacrifice.
Also, why are they concerned about this now? Simon and Betty haven't been an actual relationship (not counting the like five seconds they spent being digested together) in over 1000 years. I feel like "Our relationship wasn't perfect" isn't really relevant to his life anymore.
Plus, "Maybe if you'd been less self-centered you wouldn't have even found the crown" is true, but it's true in the same way that "maybe if you'd stepped on a butterfly the mushroom war wouldn't have happened" is true. The crown isn't really a natural consequence of Simon's actions: he didn't bring it on himself, it was just a classic example of someone who doesn't believe in magic getting throughly screwed over by magic.
And the alternative to Simon becoming ice king is him and Betty dying in a magic nuclear war and vampires killing everyone, which is not better. Things basically went as well for this Simon as they could've; sucks for him that he's the universes fated punching bag but at least he saved the world like six times while he was being punched
They weren't trying to say Simon didn't sacrifice enough so much as he didn't think too much about Betty's perspective and how much of herself she gave up. By sacrificing himself again to save Fionna's world, he's repeating the same mistakes that doomed Betty.
There's a symbolic and a practical result of a sacrifice. Sure you can say Betty's sacrifice to give Simon a new lease on life was beautiful but in practical terms she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
The folly of self-sacrifice is you don't get to see the consequences of your actions in the world and people you leave behind. The world has to move on and the notion of someone dying to protect someone else is noble and good and all that in a story with an ending but after that people still have to continue living and the bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
Simon wanted to do the same to Fionna and Cake. But at least they could actually build their lives because they did have a whole world to live in. Simon didn't
Except it's not the same mistake and he became used to being ice king. Betty brought it out of it just to leave him alone and out of place. Betty is in no position to be forcing people besides technically having the power to do so.
i agree with this completely.
him becomeing ice king was something of a necessary evil. also, fionna changing into non aaa fionna and the show saying that that is herself contradicts the idea that iceking isnt equally simon. if a altered fionna with no memories of her original state is legit than so is an altered simon with no memories of his original state. non of it makes any sense if youve seen adventure time, and if you havent seen adventure time you dont care about fionna and cake. catch 22.
I didn't like how they had to have Simon say the point of his character arc to your face when it was already conveyed fine in the earlier episodes and even in AT. For a spin off with a higher age rating, they sure loved beating you over the head with what is happening and how you're supposed to feel.
The scene with Golbetty could've been shorter to make time for Simon talking it out with Finn and Marcy. Seriously, I thought they were gonna follow up on Simon not talking to Marcy about his problems, did the writers just forget or not think it was important?
That being said, I really want a Beth and Shermy focused spin-off, the world looks interesting and I wanna see them open more gun-books.
Hey, they literally beat you over the head with the point and some people STILL don't seem to get it. They'd rather ignore what the characters say out loud to believe the narrative they made up in their head instead.
if being inside of Golb reset the crown the first time and Golbetty had enough power to timeshift Simon into Shermy's mind and turn the Lich into geometry then she could've just reset the fricking crown again or removed the curse from it
would finn have low diffed scarab? he seems like a mid tier villain overall. high durability low offense. finn might have a hard time actually hurting him.
I think the writers did a good enough job in AT proper to show that Betty self sacrificed to a fault but it she also did it selfishly, not considering Simon's agency and feelings. Then it was Simon's turn to think about what he also could've done to take some weight off Betty. Perhaps if he followed her passions too she would've turned out a different person, one who didn't think about sacrifice all the time and wouldn't become Golbetty. At the end of the day they both made mistakes but Betty kept spiraling to a point of no return while Simon still has the opportunity to grow and get better.
That fionna gave him Cosmic AIDs when she had the tantrum on top of prismos body, and that the Scarab will eventually have to replace Prismo since he is now dying.
That or the old man will have to wake up again and fall back asleep for Prismo to once gain be recreated but without Fionna AIDs.
I still love the Lich but I feel like the show did him dirty with the whole """depression""" thing. Hope it gets retconned into him not being a golb simp but using golb to further his own goals. That's the Lich I want to see.
The lich should of been more machine like, we never should of seen him past episode 8. Having the Golb fire in his eye would of been the perfect final scene for him this season.
>From fun wizard to sad loser! >Cake singing and destroying and harming all of those creatures
I don't think cake ever once thought about her harmful actions. She probably things those creatures are all buttholes for putting her in the stockades to this day.
Betty and simon could of had a good relationship when they were both crazy wizards. Betty wasn't all there but neither was Simon, they would of made a good fit.
I realized in the finale that I was only watching this for Simon and Betty
I did not care about what happened to Fionna's world or the people there at all
It was fine. It's a natural end for his character, if he really achieved his goal it wouldn't have made him happier or feel complete. This was the show finally addressing that.
I'm mostly glad they didn't waste money bringing back Ron Pearlman for just one sentence and some grunts.
>if he really achieved his goal it wouldn't have made him happier or feel complete.
Because the show personified him.
>It was fine. It's a natural end for his character
bold of you to assume they wont bring him back AGAIN at the next opportunity. He literally just keeps coming back to the point im not sure if it benefits his character or just is a blatant case of overreliance
The only reason people like the lich is cause he has a cool voice. He stopped being menacing after the 3rd jobbing and his whole thing is just to monolog and job again.
>”what do you want from me now!”
This line implies that the Lich had some sort of prior experience involving Golb, perhaps that was the reason for his actions, I wish I could hear what he was whispering
That or he was just another loony nihilisrix cult nut who just presumed to know the desires of an idiot god thing and got bummed out when he got to personally experience how a world devoid of life is shit
How dumb we only find out about shit like this that is supposedly important about him 5 secs before “Golb” kills him off.
>Golbetty celebrating bring your husband to work day
Ironic he got the same treatment Slade got in Teen Titans
The true embodiment of enthropy, in the end his existance was meaningless
All are of those tetris pieces just infinite Liches?
would
So was the implication supposed to be Simon was a previous incarnation of Finn or that Finn and Simon are distant relatives.
neither?
Neither, Shermie just happened to be on his way to the library with Beth.
I like to think that all the geometrical shapes are just different lich who got there
Have you ever given her a chance?
>voiced by lena dunham in her first episode and felicia day every other
Nope
Why does her crotch look like that
Is she wearing a diaper or something
its just Pen-era adventure time design
I hope so
What's next for Simon? He's about to be homeless cause he doesn't like modern humans.
Probably get free rent as he lives near the candy kingdom and it's never implied there's a tax . And he could ask Finn for funds.
>it's never implied there's a tax
PB collected taxes from Finn & Jake by herself
I actually remember how hard that made me laugh when that episode aired. The slow decent into making PB into a shitty person was funny
>Only taxes non-citizens
>Not even in her territory
Damn...
He goes to live in the candy kingdom or marceline's cave house
He has a harem of Minervas obedient to his every whim. I think he’ll be fine.
He's got options. Move in at Marcy's place, get a place in Candy Kingdom with a my surrogate daughter is the princesses' gf discount, maybe move into Finn's old treehouse or a library
This takes place after Obsidian, so Marceline’s house was probably his previous residence.
He has that big setup of the 90s goin on, he's probably fine
Live next to Marceline or Finn probably.
Where does Finn live? We never got any indication to where he, Jake and their little friends went to live after the finale.
Jake probably lives with Lady. The season 11 comics had Finn just build a house with his friends
Yeah, but the comics aren't canon.
Also what about BMO and NEPTR?
>Where does Finn live?
In his adventerous van
Thats just the mystery van but with less clues and more violence.
I can’t believe midwits think the show is condemning Simon or Petty. Beth spells it out as blunt as possible. The choices Betty and Simon make led them to this ending. There was just no going back once they went too far
Honestly this. The same parallel can be seen with Finn and FP. It’s not that they weren’t a good match for each other, but they made choices that ended having big consequences.
Most of us have had that friendship or love ruined by something stupid we did that we wish we could undo or do things differently.
It’s part of growing up and learning from mistakes. I cringe at some of dumb things I did and how they effected people.
Giving up on a relationship because of any single mistake from the other person because you refuse commital and sleeping around is not part of “growing up” at all. What a pozzed zoomer mindset. If the person you love makes a mistake you stay commited and help fix it, don’t just flick them aside as if love is superfluous and move on to your proverbial cinnamon bun fat bastard.
Oh I agree you should try to work things out, I meant more so in Simon and Betty’s case. What happen with Finn and FP was total bullshit but there are similar parallels. The moving on part being more so that you shouldn’t give up so easily, like FP did with Finn, but realize that no matter hard you try, things just don’t work out. In the case of Simon, not being able to move on despite the show being very clear that nothing can undo Betty’s fate but that the time they spent together should be cherished and not let regret hold you back.
It’s more so how one handles regret and accepting what happens than wishing to fix mistakes and not living in the past
I know Scarab getting to write a universe and glitchy Prismo are our sequel hooks, but I don’t feel interested in more AT if it’s not gonna involve characters we know
>Prismo’s suggested theme of true heroism
I’d like to see Fionna do that theme..
I would be open to another special but in 3-5 years
I would much rather keep the specials going than get a reboot, honestly more shows should do this. It worked for futurama
>Jay just leaves his home to live in a different universe with his tomboy gf
Man now I really hope Farmworld Finn didn't die lol, those kids are gonna be eaten alive
Does the Ice Kingdom still have ice without the crown? Maybe Winter King warmed him to the beauty of ice again and he could live there in sweet solitude
Gunter fused with the crown and became Ice Thing, it still exists.
Him ending up as a time room janny but starting to hang out with Prismo was nice. I'd like to see an episode of them just shooting the shit, playing vidya, and fricking with normies. Maybe start a podcast with Cosmic Owl
Honestly really based of Prismo saving Scarab despite what Scarab did. Prismo probably felt bad he never gave Scarab a chance with that “I was never invited to parties” line and wants to give Scarab a chance to mellow out. We’ve all had that person in out lives who gave a bad first impression only for them to be really cool after giving them a chance
Scarab is a murderous space jannie. Seems kinda psycho to let him off lightly unless he or the boss fixes the cosmic deaths.
>P Hey Scarab, if you had a clone of the Lich would you torture it?
>S: Why not just say what if you had a tiny little Lich?
>P: BECAUSE!
>S: No listen, I wouldnt because they didnt commit the crimes!
>P: Holy shit he did HE DID!
>S: If its a clone he didnt fricking do anything!
>P: He did do it!
>S: No he didnt the actual Lich did Prismo!
>P: He actually did it but this Lich did it in his head!
>S: THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE!
>P: He's still a bad guy! He's still evil! He thinks he did it!
>S: BUT HE DIDNT!
>S: WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A CLONE!?!
>CO: Prismo it doesnt make sense...
>TV: Can I make my wish now?
>Become literal goddess
>Frick off to the void with a new job intertwined with cosmic bureaucracy
>Ex thinks this is a bad thing
>Tries and fails to “cure” you
>His failures make him suicidal
>He wants to commit suicide in front of you
>Reroute his teleporting spell so that he sees that killing himself would also kill an entire world
>He ignores that
>He does it again
>Reroute again
>After going on an multiversal road trip he finally decides not to Jill himself
>Instead he wants to induce ego death
>In the same room as an omnicidal maniac
>Reroute his teleportation spell so he gets transported to me
>Gives a big speech and puts on the crown
>The world in his head literally becomes corrupted because of course it does
>Rewind time
>He gives the speech again
>Stop him from putting on the crown by sending his consciousness 1000 years into the future and tricking him into playing a video game that’s literally based on our relationship
>He finally gets it through his thick skull
>Just in time to because a coworker is trying to kill him
>WTF he just threw that sentient crown containing the minds of its previous wearers into the void between universes
>Whatever, not my problem
>Finally give him a face to face and officially break up
>May or may not have given up godhood the second he finally moves on
Seriously be direct and you stop a lot of problems right away
I mean, the wish was for the power to keep Simon safe. It really depends on the matter if Golb wants to stay fused with Betty or if it even has the power to choose.
While I think it could probably be better, I think there is definitely something interesting there. The Lich dedicated his entire existence to this one goal, and when he finally achieved it he suddenly realised he wasn't satisfied with it. Can you imagine that? It was an interesting moment of humanisation for the evilest entity in the show. This isn't what most Liches are like, but it is how the Lich who completes his goal is like. Because his goal is ultimately empty, there is some nice very old fashioned morality in play of the futility of evil. Good creates, and has meaning. Evil can only destroy and corrupt, and is left with nothing but a sad emptiness in the end. I am surprised that some people here dislike this when they are usually obsessed with old fashioned, very Christian morality like this.
The anons here are obsessed with counter culture. Actual nuance and meaning is going to be lost
Is betty really going back to babby form and cessation of self (whatever there is leftover) now that simon moved on?
I like to think she fricked off to explore the multiverse.
>Simon and Betty form a relationship
>Simon being an airhead doesn't realize he's taking the entire lead in it, Betty is content with being his supporting actor
>This leads to Simon finding the Ice Crown and becoming the Ice King which would snowball into Betty choosing to jump to the future and try and "fix him"
>Betty rather than talk with anyone just begins studying magic users and decides to try and scam the strongest magic user of them all and in doing so sees exactly the path she'll go down
>Continues anyway despite getting multiple warning and failed attempts decides to make a choice she can't turn back on, getting what she wanted but basically sacrificing her relationship for it
>Simon left alone begins going down the same path but when Golbetty finally spells out what his choices would ultimately mean realizes it can't work out anymore
>Golbetty still cares about him, enough to let him live his life and to help him with the Fiona and Cake problem.
>He works to move on
The entire point of this is that Simon and Betty both had other options. Simon could have been more considerate. Betty could have actually worked with the people who cared about Simon in the future and been fricking pointed straight to Prismo's time chamber. She LITERALLY gets her hands on the Enchiridion and all the gems and could have opened a portal and made a WISH to fix Simon which would have been within Prismo's powers. She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead. Simon and Betty COULD have worked, it's just the two of them kept making the wrong choices.
>She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead
This just seems like your own bullshit extrapolation to make AT’s shallow writing seem deep (something unfortunately common in these shit threads). Obviously in a choice between a benevolent wish by Prismo and a dangerous wish by Golb she would have chosen Prismo, she just never considered or tried or mentioned this faultless option because they needed to force a bad finale against a big evil monster.
>lilworld
I liked the finale for the most part, stuff with Simon and Betty was cool, fionna and cake stuff was really lame imo though.
Also what the frick was that dance party illumination tier pop song at the end?
Just wish we got to see our Huntress hanging with Finn. The finale really tried to push the Finn x Huntress ship with their parallels. Also would have been cool if Simon brought his Finn to help fight against the Scarab and have Finn be a semi mentor for Fionna on “how to kick monster butt”
what kind of world is this?
Seems like a world were the crown made Ice King into the Fire King? That thing in the back looks like the three israeliteels from the crown
Yeah, Magwood. The lava dog thing.
That’s the monster Evergreen got the Crown’s gems from. Maybe it’s a world where the Lich’s catalyst comet never came or one where Evergreen found an aternate power source?
this but with her mini-skirt and also she's panty-less
I see why they gave her the shorts now
>No more Cake being frankly terrifying in how she destroys enemies
Seriously those vamp chomps were metal
Alright, these last two episodes were cool. But I'm really disappointed in that Simon didn't become immortal again in one way or the other, such as by becoming a wish-master. Probably because he's been immortal for so long and now he's just gonna die like any human? I really like Simon and this feels so sad.
Hey there is still more in store for him. He didnt show up in the death worlds in together again
Simon would probably try and get reincarnated asap
I wish Golbetty could have given him some cool magic wizard powers without the madness before he went back to ooo.
Not sure, I remember when the Lich was described as a no nonsense villan who just wanted to end all life and didn't care about deeper meanings or fancy monologues, but then what's the point of keeping such a one note character for this long right. Maybe just keeping him dead after the 2nd time would have been better.
>He went the Casper route
>Didnt go to the water world
>Didnt find the secret key
NGMI
would both of them
>Cinemaphile has turned to Cinemaphile
It truly was the adventure of our time..
What was her end-game? Did she know she would transform back into Golb and disappear forever? Would Simon and Betty even meet in the dead world? Or is Betty wiped from existence since she demanifested in the void between worlds?
We'll never know-
unless a season 2 comes or some shit.
Can a general be added to the subject line? Or are generals not allowed on Cinemaphile?
>Or are generals not allowed on Cinemaphile?
They aren’t, but I’m not sure if the current moderation team remembers that or even cares.
So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained? And why does prismo start glitching?
Also wondering if they'll do a season 2 where they fix the shit they ruined in the vampire world
Hooks for season 2
>So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained?
Yes, Scarab say they diseased all the universes they visited
That’s not an explanation
my best assumptions (which also aren't mutually exclusive, could be a mix of both) are:
>1) Due to Fionna & Cake's world being in Simon's mind, the influence of Simon being "normal" that changed their world is contagious
>2) It's An Issue with unauthorized universes or universes not directly connected with the rest of the multiverse because ???
either way something that would stop being an issue once their world was out of Simon's head and joined the greater multiverse
Muto can’t write finales to save his life. It’s insane that this mediocre slop is being lapped up by the fans.
Thank FRICK they haven't shown the Boss
But they did. The boss is literally the phone.
Then who was phone
The boss.
Should have worn a skirt
You see how there is literally no indent where the shorts reach the skin? Primso painted those things on.
>le adventuring and escapism is le bad uhhh therapy
I would trust an AI to give better advice and be more trustworthy then an actual human therapist. You should never trust a medical professional with anything other then actual physical illness.
You just know they custom-made this frame for some sick frick out there to enjoy
It's me, I'm the sick frick
I am also that sick frick
>for some sick frick out there to enjoy
>Out there
More like "In there", it was one of the writers and artists thing for sure.
Fern bros...
holy based, this should've happened in the actual show
It was prismo's fanfiction and even Prismo knew that fern deserved better then what he got.
Yeah, finn sloppy seconds.
I get making Marceline and then subsequently Marshall black because Olivia is black, but why the frick is DJ Flame brown when Flame Princess was voiced by a white woman
>but why the frick is DJ Flame brown
Because coal is black and coal is most commonly associated with fire. That and because the bright red and yellow of fire contrasts better with darker tones then with lighter tones.
Yeah using that same logic Marceline and Marshall should be white since they're pale vampires, but they're not. Ash who was a darker-skinned vampire than Marcy is a pale white woman in the Fionna human world.
Ash isn’t a vampire, just a wizard
Did you here Flame Prince in the original? He was super black.
So Marshall could've been voiced by white guy and white in the human universe then, interesting
And Marcy's dad was voiced by a white guy
I just don't like hypocrisy
And FP’s dad was voiced by a black dude.
least racist adventure time fan
They also made Hunter and Ellis latino despite HW being played by a israelite and LSP voiced by Pen. I guess the rule was "no white guys unless they're gay".
Remember that's Simon's headcannon.
Real live Californians wrote and designed that headcanon
One thing doesn't change the other, you're still seeing how Simon imagines things.
>simon makes the annoying, nasally voiced parasite a israelite
What did the Russian man mean by this?
He looks tanned at most (because "fire" get it?).
Nah he's black, he's voiced by Hannibal Buress
He spoke? Did I miss that?
look at his scalp. he is sunburnt which makes him red. Like a flame.
He dumped Finn for Fern?
Aye
This show has been subverted so bad that wanting to adventure in a fricking ADVENTURE TIME show is shown to be bad. Betty can also just do whatever the frick she wants but Simon has to move on because…?
>Shows cleavage in the finale
Okay then
Late to the party, did they expand on Golb more lately? That was such an asspull for a villain during the original finale.
Also do you think this is truly the last we'll see of the Lich or will they pull alternate universe stuff?
It's over. It's all over. Rate the show overall
A solid 8/10, felt like it took a bit long to get things going in the first three episodes and I was not expecting a more brooding lich and did not think that was a good direction to take him in.
7/10 (6 if Cinemaphile didn't care, it was nice to discuss this show with you, my frens)
0/10
there's more unanswered questions than answers and unsatisfactory ending.
also the lich is nothing but a mere pawn
Overall like a 6 or 7 out of time. I still overall enjoyed my time with this series and think the series kept a good level of quality throughout.
Just a lot of small inconsistencies with handling characters and plot that add up. So many different writers being allowed to start up plotlines and lore only for someone else to wrap it up so they can do their own storyline and being given a little bit too much freedom with the cast. Characters randomly being stupid or out of character one moment only for them to be a total badass pulling 200 IQ actions another moment. Plus the writers in the later seasons had that “ALL MEN” attitude just to make the male cast look incompetent, useless, or bad.
The way they handled Gumbald with him having that dumb dumb potion on him still rubs me the wrong way. Yea of course he’s still gonna have something like that on him, he just had a internal revelation that patched things up with PB and hadn’t had the chance to “disarm” himself. Oh but the dumb c**t Aunt who just backstabbed Gumbald gets a pass because “trust me he was still evil”
8/10 it was fun. Hope we get more.
4/10
Bad animation, lazy halfassed writing, and worst of all the unforgiveable tone deafness
It exists I guess
8/10. Would've been a 9 if they didn't do that cliffhanger with the fanfiction AUs coming together. Only for the squirrel to actually bring anything useful while the rest jacked off in the corner. Baby Finn and Peppermint Tank I can maybe understand but you really need to confirm whether or not Jay's family is safe or not. He just feels like Martin Mertins unintentionally by having him abandon his family like that. The entire Scarab conflict was an afterthought. He just felt like a generic monster after the world became canonized and he kept going.
0/10
Fionna and Cake had little reason to even be here, and if the only point was Simon moving on then they did a bad job of it and most of it was still pointless masturbation
Feels like the kind of thing you need to be a seriously biased Adventure Time fan beforehand to enjoy, to any layman this was all unfocused meandering garbage and absolutely none of it was powerful or compelling
yeah had betty just decided to appear to simon in episode 2 the series could've been done eight episodes less
>I'm starting a sequel series, set after the events of a 10+ season show and continuing old themes and plots
>WTF I don't understand anything that's going on or know any of the characters
For frick sake, you're the reason every movie adaption has to spend 30 minutes setting up the lore every fan already knows because you whine if you're not spoonfed every piece of subtext.
I understand all your puddle-deep "lore" and I know all of it. I watched Adventure Time too.
I just see that this show is trash, and anyone unbiased to nostalgia would see that it's masturbatory trash.
So you came into a thread for discussing Adventure Time to let everyone else know it's bad because it's about Adventure Time?
It's bad for being a bad show by all understandable merits on which a show is judged. The fact it has to do with adventure time "lore" and fanservice does not make it better or worse, it's shit of its own accords.
Anon, it's an Adventure Time show about Adventure Time.
It's exactly as advertised.
If you expected something else after this much content from the same creators and are mad it's more of the same, that's on you.
People enjoyed Adventure Time. People enjoyed this because it's evolved from Adventure Time. It's why it was even made. Specifically to have more Adventure Time content.
It's not for you. If you don't like it, fine, but you are getting so angry that people are enjoying something you don't. Instead of complaining about something you're clearly not interested in, why not spend time watching something that you do enjoy?
And if you give some edgy answer that you don't enjoy anything or enjoy watching people get annoyed at your complaints, obviously you're not even here to discuss the show and just want attention.
I was criticising the show, because the show is extremely poorly made and I was replying to a post asking for people to rate it.
My comment about a layman thinking it's bad is in regards to a layman having no nostalgia for it that may blind them to how badly the story is written, because the story is written awfully here. The fact it ties back to previously existing "lore" with Simon and Betty does not change the fact this is a shit animated series and nor does your desire for a hugbox where noone should talk about the show if they think it was bad.
I'm not looking for a hugbox. The show has obvious flaws, like plot-points being dropped or pointless resolutions (like all the side-characters suddenly appearing in the last 5 minutes) but your complaints aren't about the show or how to improve it.
You're complaining it's more of the same and that's stupid because it's confusing to new comers, blaming nostalgia-bating, and it's bad because you say it's bad. Explain WHY you think it's bad other than 'It's my opinion it's bad because it's made for nostalgic fans and that's not me'
I said why I think it's bad. I said none of the moments were compelling or powerful or well-written. I said the story meanders and that Fionna and Cake are pointless. I said the story is largely about Simon but his side of the story is shittily told with a haphazard moral parable they force into the last 2 episodes.
None of my points was saying that nostalgia bait is bad.
It's that Adventure Time gays such as yourself are such manchildren you'll eat up any poorly made slop and cry persecution if anyone says it was badly made, only because it has nostalgia.
6/10 the multiverse stuff was super interesting,so was the lore, but what was the point? the ending felt incredible rushed, this needed two seasons at minimum
Honestly, I think they could just get away with doing anthology stories of different universes.
After all, the original Fionna and Cake episode was just another average episode but set in a different universe, and it was so popular that it eventually spawned the sequel.
I'm pretty sure most people would be content just have self-contained episodes set in different universes. So big plots, just fun adventures like the start of the show, just with different takes on the cast.
7/10, good to have AT content and the series was overall pretty good, but that ending… it’s like they wrote it when they were all sleep deprived.
6/10
best episodes were 2, 5, and 8
4/10 animation
3/10 story
6/10 AUs
6/10 resolution
3/10 villain
5/10 characters
4/10 tone
4/10 pacing
Overall 4/10
7/10 but the ending and the denoument are a fine 5 at best
7/10, would’ve been a 9/10 but yeah those last two episodes are rough and don’t carry the momentum the rest of the series has leading up to them.
AT gets a 5/10 overall. i dont need to explain that.
F&C gets a 5/0. the star episode was fricking pointless and they spent way too much time on the gays in fionnas world. i think the real problem is they started with a moral they wanted to preach and then built the plot around that, and they frankly dont have the skill to make that work. even if they where better writers writing a story like that in a pre established world was fricking moronic. just a bad choice. it feels like it was written by someone with a shiny new literature degree.
it was good fan service, episodes 2, 6, and 8 where cool. it earned a 4, purely because its cannon adventure time. if it was a fanfic it would earn a 5. ill give it a 5 because i like adventure time and pawn swan made me smile.
2/10
I seriously don't get the hype
whole series feels like it could've been covered by a competent writer in just 1 episode
3/10
I liked the "AT multiverse tour" vibe, not everything has to be plot all the time, but yes the actual plot could've been more striking
1/10
it's all the writing of a wattpad fanfic with all the artstyle of late-season AT
0/10 that finale was fricking embarassing
>no dark twist at the end just le happy ending
0/10 soiled AT
A "happy" ending that doesn't even make sense or feel deserve either.
>Everything must have an edgy twist
7.7
it was 8.8 to me before the finale. I will rewatch the wishmaster ep and destiny and winter king and the star and jerry numerous times in the future
3/10, It had cool concepts and then immediately ruined them.
Geniunely hate Betty now and I hope some future adventurer like Sweet Pea or something kills her in the future.
>Finn and the bear get no followup
>Farmworld Finn probably dead because Jay and Little Destiny want to elope
>Vampire world left without a Finn and the Peppermint Tank
I honestly thought that the bear was Huntress Wizard when it first showed up.
They really did say "frick those worlds" huh, what's wrong with that
>Vampire world left without a Finn and the Peppermint Tank
What the frick was the tank and baby finn going to do in that world?
the bear was huntress wizard
finn frickin killed huntress wizard bro
>finn frickin killed huntress wizard bro
Just another bit of trauma for him to deal with
>Finn and the bear get no followup
It's heavily implied to have been the Ooo equivalent of Big Destiny, although yeah it is strange they never follow it up for some reason.
FF fin is alive. Huge fricking doubt the oldest kid would just abandon his siblings in the middle of the woods while his gf's gang wants to beat the shit out of all of them. Plus our Finn has taken worst hits and nothing came of it.
Vamp world was already dead. The humans were below replenishment numbers. Persumbley Marcy got staked and BG went splat. The king guy was still very much in control and could live his days till the blood ran out.
Only loser in all this is baby world as now baby jake may never see his baby finn again forever. Plus baby lich.
We last saw Farmworld Finn when he had his head pierced by Scarab's legs. He's dead until further notice.
His hat was made to be vampire-proof, it protects you from being punctured.
so if Casper & Nova was written by Simon, but he was inspired by a game he made in the future, where did it come from?
It came from a Simon who already lived through all this since GOLB isn't multiversal
>simon created a video game to teach his past self a lesson
>but who made the original game?
Me, I did it.
There was no original video game, just a Simon who had more of his shit together and didn't need to be taught he fricked up
No dummy that’s our Ooo 1000 years in the future. In the end sequence you can see the F&C fan girl doodling Casper and nova, she goes on to be the author probably after hearing the story from Simon
Golbetty might've manipulated time tangentially to lead to this, but it was most definitely the fangirl of Fionna and Cake at the beginning. Here's her sketch book. She made it.
What I get out of this is that Simon has a little e-girl crushing on him and obsessed about him like Betty was, Simon is doomed to repeat his mistake... but on the bright side, dicky
Simon would never initiate it, but Astrid... well she seems awfully curious as to why Simon and Betty never had a child. It would be a reverse-rape situation.
Probably GOLBetty.
Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Did you guys not watch the epilogue? The little girl who was obsessed with Fionna and Cake were sketching out Casper and Nova while Simon told her about the old days and his adventures. Earlier on, they made a point to point out that the author's name was smudged on the book and then Simon assumes he wrote it, because of the crown (he doesn't even say it's the future, he says another multiverse version of himself must have wrote it.) The little girl was the author of the book, which is partially based on her exchanges with Simon. That's why Betty sent him to there, so he could see a reflection of his own life by someone the changed version of himself interacted with. It's a timeloop that Betty implemented.
Casper and Nova were made by Astrid though, right? We see her making the characters, which eventually make it into the CYOA gunbook. The idea that Simon made it was just something he thought when trying to get the book open
Nope, Betty just hijacked his mind and use it as a vessel for Simon to express her feelings for him. Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception
>Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.
>Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.
Agreed, I think this is show most blantantly when prismo says "Woah, their universe has been canonized? HOW did that happen?" Emphasis on how, he doesn't even know how his fanfiction got canonized.
They also say Simon's relationship with Betty was one sided, really like he didn't care enough about her.
I think you replied to the wrong Anon.
It was obviously made by fan girl
there was no point to bring back the lich other than "oh noes hes back". we already get he becomes useless when he doesn't have a purpose. making him b***hmode and whine makes him so lame
this is the most character the lich has had since ever
yea, being a lil b***h!! like op image
>simon riding astrid's hoverbike
what was the point of this scene
Simon should’ve put the crown on again out of spite. FRICK BETTY.
Honestly, I was expecting Simon to shove the crown into his head for someone to wear in the Fionna universe. Returning magic to their world and containing the Scarab.
the lich more like the b***h *dabs*
>actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game
>actually he's not depressed anymore because uh AI therapy and fionna and cake are a thing
What a great ending
You know thats not what the message was you moron
That's literally what happened moron
I saw the episode moron, that's not what happened.
You must not have payed attention. It literally says Simon ignored Betty's better options and "let her sacrifice herself for him" meaning it's his fault.
And you miss the part were they say he's not really at fault (people can't read minds) and that even if the path the took was bad they didn't regret being together.
You deserve to die
She told him she didn't regret anything.
Beth calling Simon a little kid for not understanding the difference between love and obsession was funny
>actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game
They LITERALLY say it's not his fault.
They literally call him a child that didn't know better or pay enough attention and have him apologize for what betty did as if he was at fault anyway.
Beth specifically says it wasn't his fault, and later with Betty they acknowledge that she made her own choices and wouldn't change anything.
Simon didn't force her to do anything, the relationship was doomed but it's not like Simon was some toxic boyfriend or something.
Betty is considered obsessed and any positive feelings towards Simon are now portray as toxic or "one sided". They have simon apologize and say he wasn't supportive enough. It's just shit.
That’s your own schizophrenic projection. Relationships reach a point of no return. Fusing with an elder god is a point of no return for most relationships
Well she was genuinely head over heels for him even to the point that she literally made herself insane just to cure him. Simon letting her go is a sign that he's still not ready yet but the time will come when she'll fix things back to where they were
Beth and Shermy haters lost
I love Beth especially now.
ooo 1000 years later series when?
Soulless
Its funny how Finn's reincarnation is now a deliquent of the former candy kingdom
the Pup Kingdom is not the new Candy Kingdom. Gibbon is much more of a classic tyrant like flame king
Which is why I noted former. I just thought it was amusing
I think ultimately the Lich never truly understood Golb. He heard "embodiment of chaos" and assumed that meant killing everything. The Lich's machine like behavior and systematic approach to a one track minded goal was, at the end of the day, not very chaotic at all.
>Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception
Wrong. In all timeline and all universes, there are billions of people reading books at any moment. Betty chose someone who happened to be reading a book that expressed her intentions.
So why can’t Betty just make herself human again?
More importantly. Why can't she just make a clone of herself. She can sync with her clone, right?
NEVER
she's DEAD FOREVER in all dimensions
What did happen to all the gooses anyways?
I’m what happened
sold into slavery by the dog race
i dont know if this was hinted around the finale but one of betty's goals was to avert the entire mushroom war from happening. She might be basically throwing the universe into chaos so she could let this happen
So Betty actually can communicate with Simon this whole time but just chooses not to? Why did she wait so long to tell him to move on? He was clearly suffering the entire time.
When she fused with GOLB, she became enlightened and moved on.
Simon is behind her, in a cosmic sense, and her pursuing him means nothing in the infinite cosmos of a never-ending, ever expanding reality. In a ton of realities, Simons and Bettys got together, just not theirs and why should it matter? Their experiences lead them there and with monkeys-on-infinite-typewriters, likely would again, so why undo it?
She doesn't hate Simon and is fond of their history (on some level) but also has no use for him in the future. She doesn't want him to suffer outright, but his pain for her is based on his own actions and choices so it's deserved so he is who he is and simply erasing that she changes who he is (and with Fionna's subplot, we see that's a bad thing to just change people because you think it's in their best interest.)
So, GOLBETTY compromised, and helped Simon to cope by exposing him to himself rather than changing anything with him after he decided to confront the problems in his life.
GOLBETTY could have created a perfect reality for Simon, but Simon could have asked Prismo for that.
GOLBETTY could erase Simon's memories of her, but Simon has access to magic and tech that could do that if he wanted.
GOLBETTY could create a new Betty (if she's more content being GOLB) but Simon could also find another replacement Betty in another reality if that's what he wanted.
Anything GOLBETTY could have done for Simon, he's capable of doing himself through magic and technology. She's just moved on, and as unsatisfying as that is, it's at least realistic and GOLBETTY hasn't been a b***h to Simon either, rather, helping him to cope in healthier ways.
>every tetris piece is a litch that won and travled to golb
METAL
Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?
I keep seeing people mention this, but I don't understand where exactly this is implied. That lich was turned into a Tetris piece, but that doesn't mean that all the others are liches as well. They could simply be powerful entities that Golb turned into Tetris pieces, much like how the Lich was imprisoned in that Cosmic jail for a time.
or anything golb decided to frick with, people aren't good at extrapolating information
>Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?
Doesn't exist I assume.
>Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?
Rob Zombie
>Who is the Litch in Fionna and Cake's world
As far as I've seen it is a world before the mushroom war, so the Litch is likely yet to exist.
Jerry from HR
So there's definitely an intergalatic cosmic war going on in the background right? Cosmic Owl's warrant has him for profiteering of all things? Prismo keeps glitching, big boss relegates Scarab to a janny as he technically was fulfilling his function in the cosmic war, and Betty is manipulating everyone as primordial chaos much like how she might've manipulated events for Astrid to make Casper and Nova. All to communicate with Simon her thoughts and feelings.
What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
>What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
The destruction of all realities so that the cycle may begin anew and primordial Chaos once again births new realities.
We know that the Enchiridion's creator is said to "reset" the universe every 10k years. It's what led gnostic-anon to believe that this would all end in the restart of said time loop. The israeliteels in the Ice Crown were seen on various usurpers who attempted to bind the primordial god of magic Coconteppi. Was this prior to Evergreen's timeline? Did Evergreen copy his homework or recreate the Usurper's tech through sheer brute force? We may never know, but the israeliteels are linked to wish magic everytime we see them on the Ice Crown.
Based and saved. Golbetty's endgame is still playing out.
so is this going to lead up to an eventual reboot of the franchise? I wouldnt be surprised if CN execs would want to remake AT like they have done with other series' before
They're probably dead
Actually, most likely Farm Finn just went back and that's why Jay has no issue moving to another universe, since he wouldn't let his siblings behind alone.
Not Bonnie though
Didn't Finn get his brain spiked by Scarab?
Spiked twice
Property of Destiny Gang
This is what she disassociates to when taking on her 60th destiny initiate.
Simon should have put the crown INSIDE his head.
>Simon goes nuts one day because of a crown
>Through time frickery he contacts her from the future to apologize and help her move on
>no lmao ill go to the future with you
>She spends every moment in the future betraying anyone and everyone to gain more power to cure Simon
>Gains the power of one of the most powerful wizards in the world
>Also gains its memories to know there's a god of chaos that fricks everything irreparably even for Prismo's wish (this also means she knew about Prismo)
>Has an epiphany telling her to move on from Simon and live her life
>"lmao frick that. Hey Magic Man let's summon that god of chaos haha"
>"uh, the god of chaos is gonna destroy existence as we know it. Who woulda thunk"
>Coincidentally end up in the stomach of the chaos god and have a chance to use the wish granting crown
>Use it to merge with chaos god and make it frick off leaving Simon cured (first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup)
>Years later depressed Simon wants to use the crown to revive Fionna's world and find some purpose in life
>"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
>"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
>(first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup)
How is Simon going crazy her fault? He put on the crown for a laugh remember?
This is the part that just pissed me off. Simon has to move on and live but Betty is allowed to do whatever she wants
Simon was depressed and betty wasn't. If simon wasn't so mentally fragile he could of made something of himself without this whole wacky adventure.
Did the years of feminist homosexual shit that took over the show not clue you in to how these writers’ minds operate? Betty is a free spirit, bigot, free from accountability. She can do no wrong and even when she was doing wrong it was Simon’s fault for not having a proper handle on his women.
The writers are correct about Simon but not for the reasons they have in their head.
>>"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
Simon was just a dumb inconsiderate manchild who should just be happy for the sake of it even though his life sucks
>Simon was just a dumb inconsiderate manchild
Why did this need to be retconned in? Why couldn’t they both have just been crazies on equal footing?
They were, Betty is literally called "obsessed with him" people here are just ignoring that part.
>Betty is literally called "obsessed with him
Yeah and they use that to say Simon ignored her needs
They say he should have notice. Feeding her obsession without checking them out is what took them on that route, but she say that even than she doesn't regret he choices. There was probably a middle point and a better route, but that's way behind them and they need to move on.
They outright say Simon was an inconsiderate manchild and his relationship with betty was one sided obsession which doesn't make any sense.
Point me to the part in the episode where they "Outright say" that. Because I can guarantee you that you wont find it.
The au jake calls him a child (for his mindset not body) and the game meant to be a parallel for their relationshit says he basically ignored betty or didn't pay enough attention to her (somehow). They have simon apologize for being inconsiderate and not appreciating her sacrifice. Even if betty says it's fine the show already dismisses her love as a weirdos one sided obsessions.
Holly frick you're just dumb
You've just been throwing insults at everyone who has a different opinion. stop seething and speak english
>The au jake calls him a child
That’s not an AU Jake, that’s Beth. She’s Jake’s descendant 1000 years in the future.
It's just another version of jake or a reincarnation
Is still the same universe in the future.
It's still a different version of jake and the universe did change from what they showed.
You are literally watching a show and then converting it into your on fanfiction in real time and applying it to the show. It's honestly impressive.
That’s almost explicitly what they showed though moron
You're literally coping and in denial
She states that both of them made their choices because they couldn't live on in their memories only contemplating what could've been. She never blames him. She never calls him a manchild or a moron or says their relationship was toxic. She valued their time together even if they could've made better decisions. She had no regrets and now she's dead for good. Everything else is finncells injecting their own narratives.
>ywn have a Betty gf
betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG! the focus is on simons responsibility and fault for not noticing, not betty being a yes-man to everything
>betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG!
Thats not what the book was implying you moron.
I can play that game too, Yes it was you double moron.
No it wasn't you infinity moron plus one.
YES it was you giga mega tetra infinity moron plus two
I’m here to call you a moron too, looks like it’s 2v1 little bro. Put on your dunce cap
>Wrong
No, it just show them how the path they made them have an impossible choice, there's no way to know if the other path was better because you can't undo the thing you did. As far as we know, the other ending may even be worse, there's no way to know that.
moron
youre moronic too
>she
She who betty or jakes reincarnation the show tried speaking through? Because bettys love for simon is considered a one sided unhealthy obsession even if neither of them recognize it.
Somewhat but that wasn't the main takeaway. The main takeaway was that Betty wouldn't have it any other way and soothes Simon's guilt. Her actions, her decisions to sacrifice herself, were her own ultimately. Just as Simon could've been more attentive. It's these small idiosyncrasies you recognize after a tragic disaster separates you from your loved one, not "le toxi hetero relationship is bad." I have no idea why anons are coming to this and only this conclusion.
what was the point of guilt tripping simon so much then
he let a woman make her own decisions he should be killed
>tripping simon
Golbetty. Cannot. Talk.
She is Azathoth. Her only method of communicating with Simon is through manipulating time and space. It's the reason he's here in the first place so she can fulfill her "keep simon safe" requisite of the wish before dying completely.
I disagree with the twittergays saying this is all Simon's fault but I also disagree with the Cinemaphileanons saying the writers made it all his fault. I repeat - it was a depiction of a loving relationship that had flaws. Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix. Equal partners, equal responsibilities. Betty says as much and never regretted her time with Simon.
>Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix
Wish on Prismo to go back in time and fix it. Other characters in AT have timetravelled.
>Other characters
Betty herself did, and it was stupid, because time travel in most stories is stupid.
>timetravelled
Prismo edits and alters universes to fit wishes. See Deadworld. Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo? Do you really think the cosmic baby fusion even realizes where it is most times? I don't think Golb can usually move to other higher order realms outside of times where he needs to exterminate them. And even then he only exterminates smaller realities like pillow universe.
i wasnt talking about time travel i was talking about uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty.
>only exterminates smaller realities
says who? he was all set too eat ooo in the final.
>uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty.
I don't follow what you mean.
>he was all set too eat ooo in the final.
Yes, a smaller reality. Compared to Scarab waiting in Orbo's room or Prismo's Time Room, which is outside of time and space.
>I don't follow
she could have gone to prismo and wished for ice king to go back to being simon, or wished for simon to lose the madness al la winter king.
>outside of time and space.
didnt the show say gold would eat everything one day? based on how scarab reacts to golbetty, and prismo not being able to bring back margels, i think its fair to say everything means everything.
See my original comment:
>Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo?
Do you think Golbetty can even say anything in the state she is in?
>gold would eat everything one day
Yes and the universe will eventually reset. Still don't see your point? It's not killing everything immediately and at best it shows up to lesser realities like Ooo and pillow universe. It has not shown up to eat Prismo's Time Room or Orbo's realm or Cosmic Time Owl's nest.
you cannot be this stupid. i dont believe it.
No rebuttal. Okay so you agree with me Golbetty cannot speak the way we do as an eldritch deity. And that the deity is not all there in the head to make conscious decisions.
its bettys fault. betty should have just gone to prismo, but that is more bad writing than anything.
>just gone to prismo
Going to prismo is really hard though, I mean could you even imagine what Wyatt had to do to get to Prismo?
There's a symbolic and a practical result of a sacrifice. Sure you can say Betty's sacrifice to give Simon a new lease on life was beautiful but in practical terms she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
The folly of self-sacrifice is you don't get to see the consequences of your actions in the world and people you leave behind. The world has to move on and the notion of someone dying to protect someone else is noble and good and all that in a story with an ending but after that people still have to continue living and the bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
Simon wanted to do the same to Fionna and Cake. But at least they could actually build their lives because they did have a whole world to live in. Simon didn't
>she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
Monkey's Paw is a part of wish magick. Also, I doubt she had full control over the Golb aspect. More like she was coming in and out from a waking nightmare to change little things here and there.
>bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
Guilt is, after all, the ultimate expression of love. At least in this context. Even when your yaldabaoth gf doesn't want you to feel guilt, sorrow, and loss.
>Simon didn't
Depression clouds judgement. In the end, he was blown back to Ooo by Betty. It's reminiscent of how Fionna blew on the dandelion and the magic one later in the finale. It's her last wish to recognize he has a world to rebuild himself in with people that love him.
From Marceline to Finn to even peripheral characters like Root Beer Guy and T.V. enjoying his company. Astrid enjoys his company so much that she even goes on to make Casper and Nova.
They will keep Simon safe from the madness and the sadness, the call of the Crown, by giving him meaningful interactions and self-worth.
What do you think BMO's sacrifice symbolizes in that regard then? They made a point of referencing he gave his life up to assist strangers and that it was pointless but noble in his funeral scene. One the one hand, we could look at it as a reprieval from an existence in that dark world but BMO was seemingly equally content with or without the world continuing around him during his play sessions. Was it just foreshadowing about the potential devastation of Simon's potential sacrifice returning to the Crown?
I think it was mostly a way to make BMO not be stuck in a dead world after he was clearly mad beyond help. But it draws a parallel with the sacrifice theme. Although again in practical terms Simon getting the crown would definetly have turned Fionna's world magical because that's what it was originally.
>after he was clearly mad beyond help
BMO seemed to be acting normal to me.
BMO was fine, his death was simply made to make the audience feel bad because he's the purest character in the show and his sacrifice did nothing.
That's not what happened at all you're just a moron. Might have to rewatch the episodes again.
That's literally what happened moron see
and watch the scenes again slower
>Holly
When you're done coping end your life
Zero media literacy.
All they say is that he was blind to it, Casper has a fricking blindfold for frick sake
>"We made our choices"
When you have an autismo obsessing over sonic. You don't feed them fricking more sonic.
Yes you do, if you want something then you get more of it.
Don't have kids anon.
>When you have an autismo obsessing over sonic. You don't feed them fricking more sonic.
Tell that to Doctor Eggman
A "daughter" that didn't even care that much about him. Seriously I hate Marceline for not showing up. That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.
Marcy is now PB's accesory. They can't be appart. Love won, chud
>That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.
Marceline was to busy having fun with PB somewhere else, its not her responsibility to help Simon after she has already done so much for him.
>after she has already done so much for him
Yeah so many things she did for him like..... uh...
Oh and let's conveniently forget that he TOOK CARE OF HER AS A CHILD FOR YEARS AFTER WORLD WAR III
She helped PB fix his crown and made her call him Simon rather then the ice king.
WOW, so literally nothing. Noted.
>she did so much for simon
>mentions ice king shit
Simon is the ice king, just because he put on a magic crown does not make you Simon.
>made her call him Simon rather then the ice king
oh how considerate of PB not to act like a c**t, must be a huge sacrifice
>oh how considerate of PB not to act like a c**t, must be a huge sacrifice
For her, yes it is.
In the beginning it was understandable because the whole point was that he was wanting to feel needed and to have a purpose, and making his daughter worry would have the exact opposite effect. He had purpose after his world ended because he dried her tears and made her laugh, and lost that purpose when he added to her tears and made her frown. Telling her all this shit would end the laughter she’s enjoying with Bonnie, and replace it with a frown. She’d want to help, but there’s really nothing she could do because she’s not a little girl that needs his help anymore.
But you’d think he’d want to catch her up on events. Probably doesn’t feel like she should know about her evil self at least. And probably doesn’t want to explain his reasons for how he got into all that mess, which would make her worry.
There’s no reason to believe she doesn’t visit for tea and strawberries from time to time, but he’s the first one that wouldn’t want to distract from “young” people’s passion, he knows how it is. Hanging out with an old man all the time to do.. what, exactly? How can a teen vampire and an old archaeologist have fun together? What interests do they share?
Do you hang out with your parent often, aside from coffee and catching up? If you do, it’s likely because you share hobbies. I can’t see Marcy and Simon enjoying the same activities. Look how it went when Finn tried to involve Simon in his interests.
And the ending montage is supposed to be about him finding value in himself, not needing someone else.
>yeah my insane grief and depression led me to a desperate effort to summon my demon god wife which led me meeting a sad girl who I went on a quest to to throw myself away into dementia and madness again for. it’s all good now though I worked it out. I think.
yeah I’d need some time before I started sharing that with loved ones too
>literally patched things up with Bubblegum
>no actually he’s a man so he should be punished
>literally patched things up with Bubblegum
No, he was trying to betray her once again. But nice try maybe you'll get it next time.
Was he? He had that dum dum juice on him before he got his epiphany
He literally didn’t have a chance to disarm himself.
this
simon did nothing wrong, frick the writers, why must every sweet relationship be Le toxic metaphor. the implication back then was that they were the perfect happy couple before the ice crown
>he contacts her and says he forgives her for leaving him ages ago
>then she jumps through
>She spends every moment in the future alone and scared with no humans or sense of familiarity. She had nothing in this new environment due to her rash actions.
>Comparably, Simon knew the wizards, Finn & Jake, Marceline, Bubblegum, etc. He already had a support network
>only knows Simon and desperately attempts to restore him
>not unlike Ice King obsessing over Princesses as cope for Betty
>Patience literally ruined Ice King and Madness Betty's fledgling relationship for her own gain
>when Golb is summoned and swallows them, she pushes finn and Simon away to self-sacrifice
>tries multiple wish queries, all fail
>uses it with the EXPLICIT STATEMENT: "I wish for the power to keep Simon safe" and the wish crown interpreted this as combining with Yaldabaoth
>as Golb is incapable of human speech
>practically a vegetable or cosmic level IK insanity due to becoming one with Azathoth the blind idiot god
>notices her paramour attempting to crown himself again. Doesn't know full context of it, attempts to stop it
>fails repeatedly because Simon is blinded by his love for her and his desire to feel important
>finally summons her former love to say goodbye
>literally can't speak
>has to use metaphors and proxies to communicate via time frickery
>finally mind-merges with him and shares a wholesome moment with them in a critical memory
>doesn't blame him, even when he blames himself, and takes responsibility for her inadequacies expressing herself during their time together
>knows she can never see him again, in life or death, as the fusion is too complete and the golb side will soon destroy her mind, agency, and soul
I love you anon.
I just don't get why the story went over people's heads and anons feel like the writers have it out for Simon.
>Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn.
>Bella Noche cancels out all magic
>Simon is restored
>first thing he does is drop to his knees and contemplate on what happened
>second thing he does is recognize Marceline's lousy ex and did the fatherly thing of punching him and taking his flying carpet as a mount
>other instances show he retained a lot of knowledge from his time as IK even if it was just a haze
>PB naturally comes along and helps as she's connected to Finn and Marcy
>never freaked out at the prospect of a talking dog, didn't blink at a city of wizards, etc.
He's far more accustomed to this world than Betty was.
Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn. Simon's memories of being Ice King are a haze of nonsense Ice King might as well be another person.
why did she tell the casper and nova story for, also, why isn't simon allowed to choose to put on the crown
>why isn't simon allowed to choose to put on the crown
Keep Simon safe
so shes allowed to make sacrifices while simon doesnt
Yes
Betty is allowed to make sacrifices but Simon isn't allowed to. He needs to be fully aware of his miserable life, but oh wait see he's not miserable anymore because muh therapy and gender bent versions of characters that already existed when he was miserable.
betty stopped him from using the crown to show him "the truth" with casper & nova and how fionna & cake can be saved without resorting to the crown's insanity. the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood.
>the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood
Yeah he understood he was an inconsiderate child who didn't appreciate betty enough and should just be happy in his loneliness.
Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
Even ignoring the GOLB stuff, she's had 10-20 years to meditate on their relationship and realized it was nice but not what she wanted in the future.
No matter how dedicated Simon was, if Betty doesn't want to date Simon, it IS selfish for him to force it on her.
Simon just has to move on and find someone else who isn't just a memory. (And even if he went back in time and fixed things with a previous Betty, it still wouldn't be his Betty, since she's outside of regular space-time, so it's just a less-healthy version of moving on)
>Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
This show makes it seem like a one sided obsession when simon has also stayed in love with her all this time. He was rightfully miserable without her but now he's fine with it because the hack writing demands it. She did not do him a favor by leaving him alone to think of her as an abomination in a place he doesn't fit in. Betty can force her bullshit on simon while the show simultaneously pretends he's at fault. It's shit.
She left him there, sure, but everything else was his own fault.
He chose to research magic.
He picked the expedition for the crown (and seemingly all their expeditions.)
He put the Ice Crown on (to impress Betty as a joke.)
He used the ice magic to survive the apocalypse.
He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.
Now, Betty made the choice of becoming GOLBETTY, but she never implied that was Simon's fault (or that it was even a bad thing.) But there were plenty of points that Simon's decisions should have clearly destroyed their relationship (as it did in other timelines, like Winter King not caring about Betty or Simon choosing to die like in Farm World.) Their relationship was never a guarantee.
It was shitty that for her to just leave without explaining anything to Simon, but changing reality on the whole for Simon to understand doesn't seem to mesh with cosmic bureaucracy GOLB and the other entities seem to function on.
Now Simon gets to continue on living in a world built from his decisions and understands that power. And we've already had episodes focus on how Betty's enabling of Simon was harmful to her but done out of love, so it's not like it's saying Simon is solely to blame. Sometimes relationships just don't work out but people think love is enough to keep it together, but it's not.
>He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.
I don't think he actually intended for that to happen
You're right, that wasn't his intent (and it was Betty's choice to jump through it) but he still did open the portal for selfish reasons (and even asked Marceline to sacrifice a meaningful memento to do so.)
He actually wanted her to stay, and it was a good think she did't, because it kept him alive.
But, that's the point of Casper and Nova. It's not saying Simon is wrong for making the decisions he did, but that he can't be annoyed there's only one destination when he's repeatedly chosen a single-path. It's not even out of malice, as seen by him willingly embracing Betty's new ideas on the expeditions, but that he's simply to goal-focused. It could be even argued that finding Betty (after returning to Simon) wasn't just about his love for her, but he felt that by finding her this would lead to fulfillment in his current life, similar in to The Lich succeeding in the genocide of his universe and feeling unfulfilled.
As seen in the other realities, many Simons don't end up with their Betty. GOLBETTY didn't force Simon to live in a future dystopia, as seen by the other Simons. It's not destiny, but Simon's reality has to play out like it was intended. The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems, but she never promised to and it's not her fault that Simon is stuck in the magic future. Simon is trying to force her to fix things for him, and that is a little selfish. But, it's a messy situation.
>The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems
To be fair she did solve the whole universe in his head problem by canonizing it.
Betty brought him out of being ice king and pursued him after all these years only to leave him alone AND guilty over her fate. Simon didn't bring her through that portal to oo like you tried saying. Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself.
No, I'm saying it was Simon's choice to open the Portal to Ooo. He didn't WANT Betty to come through, but she thought it was in his best interest so did it (another thing she did for Simon, regardless of what it meant for her, which was an issue she admitted she had)
It's fair that Simon felt guilty and this was something bad GOLBETTY did to him, but his quest wasn't about saving her but to be with her (whether she wasnted to be or not), so it was tainted from the start. And if Betty died in the future, he would have just felt guilty about opening the portal. Just as while he thought she died in the past, he felt guilty about becoming Ice King. Simon just has a guilt complex from the choices he makes.
And Betty was just trying to cure Simon (something he had asked for) not force it on him.
And the final thing that fixed him was GOLB, and while he was summoned by Betty, she didn't know how it would fix Simon.
Simon wanted to be normal and in his moments of lucidity as the Ice King lamented for it and even attempted it.
She didn't force any of this on him, just helped him achieve his goal (in a round about way) and that made him unhappy.
Now he thinks his only goal at happiness is to have her and she's not interested.
Without her jumping into the future, Simon would have died. Are you saying it would have been better for Simon to jump into the past and just die there? For Betty to live a lonely life in the modern era wracked by guilt she couldn't save Simon, the man who warped time to be with her?
I WANT Simon and Betty to be happy together, but from a realistic perspective, if someone doesn't want to date someone they shouldn't feel obligated to be with them or it isn't really love keeping you together.
But Betty did force simon while your dumb ass was saying earlier "he shouldn't force anything on her and move on like she did". Betty is a dumb hypocrite, simon did not bring her into oo, and yes simon would be better off dead than with an insane woman like this. Genuinely nobody really wants the "love" betty offers. Frick that ugly abomination.
Ah, so your complaints have nothing to do with the show itself and you're just looking to complain about women.
She didn't force anything on Simon. She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon (who thought he was about to die anyway so it didn't matter; he just thought Betty was safer in the past) and then she helped him to do the thing he was already trying to do.
The only thing she didn't do was love him back in the same way he did, but there's nothing moralely wrong with that.
She literally forced simon out of being ice king only to fuse herself to golb anyway. Again even though past simon isn't built for oo and he got used to being ice king. Yes I did watch the show you dumb b***h.
>She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon
She literally forced herself into oo and onto simon. How can you be this much of a betty simp.
And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
What's your point?
They both made bad choices that hurt themselves to enable the relationship and in their attempts to help each other.
There was a whole fricking episode about how Betty, wrongfully, put Simon first a lot of the time.
We're seeing Simon trying to stop Betty from moving on and being taught why it's in their best interest to move on. Simon's not even seen as the bad guy, just as part of the reason their relationship didn't become what Simon had wanted it to be.
You are being deliberate obtuse. She CANNOT FORCE SOMETHING ONTO HIM IF HE IS ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT SAME GOAL. Yeah, it sucks he's an old man stuck in the magic future but he'd be in the EXACT SAME FRICKING BOAT without Betty, as seen from the other fricking timelines you ignorant twat.
>And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
That's not a guarantee and even if he did so what? People don't move on from a lot less than what simon experienced, and betty didn't even die just turned herself into a freak while simon is alone now out of place in oo thinking of this.
>Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself
In that future dystopia. It's absolutely bettys fault simon is stuck in a worse situation in an environment he no longer fits into. She didn't put him in oo but she brought herself there and did make things worse for simon.
If Betty doesn’t come to future Ooo Simon croaks right there and maybe the rest of the magic users do too
Not really since more convincing ass pulls are possible. Also simon being put out of his misery is STILL better than being forced into a worse situation by a crazy b***h who swears she loves him.
It was fine for Betty to come to Ooo. She fricked up by not accepting IK and being happy with him(or even just letting go of the relationship and finding something else to do).
This was all Patience's fault though, if Betty didn't get frozen she would've had a heartwarming bonding moment with IK and maybe not want to get rid of him.
She jumped through a portal that was only supposed to be a way of messaging her, kept pursuing him and insisted on getting him out of his crown again only to leave him out of place and much more miserable in a world he had gotten used to. Simon gets to continue living on in the same situation shown as shitty for him in the first episode. Betty did make simons life worse with her self righteous sacrifice and the ending doesn't really change what was wrong it just says simon should get over it.
>I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
After everything she did previously to be with him yes it's wrong and makes no sense.
She can't decide that the effort was pointless? Have you never put effort into a relationship only to realize it wasn't worth it after the fact? People grow apart, Anon. Nobody should be forced to be with anyone else if they chose not to be. And it's not like she devalued Simon or tried to hurt him. We've seen plenty of toxic relationships on this show.
She just moved on and tried to help him learn to do the same.
What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.
>She can't decide that the effort was pointless
She can randomly but it makes no sense and she did hurt simon worse than he was.
>What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King?
She literally does force him back into simon and this show just showed it's not what he really wanted. Old regular human simon doesn't fit in oo.
>What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.
That was after the fact, and you know it you moron.
He was in a transitional phase trying to cope with being an old man in the future which he doesn't understand when Ice King was easier and he's trying to revert to that, which he even says is not healthy.
If he managed to free himself from the Crown without Betty, it'd be the SAME fricking outcome.
What is healthy to you b***h? Again betty turned herself into golb and that's seen as a heckin virtuous sacrifice. Simon clearly got used to being ice king and even if it wasn't perfect they show he was better off. But she not only forces him into normal simon but forces him to stay that way while making him live with the worse reality she made. Betty would have even been better dead than golb.
I give up. You refuse to accept that Simon (as Ice King) wanted to return to normal and instead it HAS to be Betty that did it to him.
You HAVE to make Betty the villain in your mind and refuse to listen to any logic why they're both at fault.
Enjoy your day, because you're brain dead and clearly aren't going to make it much longer into the evening.
I didnt want Ice King to become Simon
The part of him his long gone.
Ice King was receiving his own character development
I think all that needed to happen was for him to be able to remember his past.
I think people shouldn't get stuck chasing what once was but they shouldn't forget it and run away from it either
We should've gotten a Simon King. Or Icemon. Something like that but not evil like the Winter King.
Why does he have a marceline doll
Because just like in the Fionna and cake series, Marceline doesn't visit him.
Absolutely insane she didn't come to see him in the finale
I was sure it'd happen to follow up on the scene where they didn't get to talk in the 2nd episode
There's a whole episode about him trying to talk to Betty one last time and him saying he doesn't want to go back to being the Ice King
Ice king didn't want to become Simon, but who cares what the Ice king wants right?
ICE KING NEVER EXISTED. HE WAS A DELUSION PUT UPON SIMON. HE'S NOT REAL.
Ice king is as real as Simon was and vice versa.
It was a bad Idea, Simon felt like shit and tought she should do for Fionna what Betty did for him, the entire ending is Betty telling him not to and that she doesn't regret anything she ever did with and for him.
They made mistakes, but there's no changing them, Simon did the right thing by learning to move on, from Betty and the Crown.
You know, the title of Azatom is because he is sleeping and is unaware of the world, not because he is a literal blind and idiot, because the moment he wakes up and realizes shit is going down he is going to destroy the world. Golb is aware of shit, he is just more akin to an traditional actual god than the frat dudes AT normally likes to portray as cosmic entities because is funnier.
And don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value, is cringe, is just a serie of books with a cool, but now overdone, thematic and themes.
I doubt they were going for a 1-for-1 interpretation. Another anon brought up another potential source of inspiration Mana-Yood-Sushai who slumbers after creating smaller gods and was reworked as the herald of Azathoth. But that's neither here nor there; I only use this as an example of AT being a melting pot of various concepts.
>don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value
Do you mean the digital adventure-book Astrid makes? Casper and Nova?
I more worried about your interpretation than the showrunners. Concepts of life and death and creation and destruction are nothing new really, you can find a ton of those in most cultures. But some are better than others and is probably best to keep the gene pool clean of moronation.
That's fair. It all depends on story execution and general reception to it. Every story is a reaction to something in the past, and on and on it goes.
>"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
Why did it have to be like this. This is the only part that is truly upsetting. 'Oh I moved on' DAMN YOU WOMAN YOU'RE A GOD!!
iirc Muto posted a pic of Cosmic Owl watching Fionna and Cake
was this used in ep 10 or not?
He never did posted anything then deleted, it was edited and fake.
No. Promo stuff sometimes shows other events happening beyond the ep
FERN WON
HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?
Would the flame princess and fern have actual chemistry in the original universe had fern not died?
they're both violent so yeah probably
Well FP was originally into the idea of 'incompatible lovers' when she thought Finn was a water elemental.
Fionna has Hunter so it's okay 🙂
>Hunter is a spic
Is HW a Hispanic too?
Probably maybe, unlike with black people, I've no problems with spics, so it's fine by me.
Finally
The eco terrorist will die of poisoning after overdosing on magic shrooms.
How awkward would a double date be?
>Hi Fionna I'm now dating this girl who looks like you but better
I bet Fernna smells better than Fionna too.
How selfish does simon have to be to put back the crown on after Betty's sacrifice? Like right in front of her. Like wtf
What the frick was the ending? Simon didn't seem like a selfish butthole at all until they portrayed him that way in episode 10. He didn't ask Betty to sacrifice herself. She became Golb of her own free will.
God you guys are so fricking stupid
have a nice day. You’re not smarter for enjoying this slop.
If you purely dislike it why are you even subjecting yourself to these threads?
Because I want to vocalize how shit this finale was
It's not about enjoying it, it's about understanding what they were portraying.
>slop
moron
???
AT is basically a cult classic at this point, to many it might seem just your run of the mill child's cartoon but despite being bad at it has one of the best well panned lore out of many franchises currently out there
Okay? This finale is still slop
I'm betting that you hate how they didn't just turn the f&c verse into its magical self again
Good luck with that though, that's basically the norm in media nowadays and despite being a lame troupe it'll be reused again and again
The “escapism bad, moving on is good” plot is trash and I’m tired of it. Who is the person that needs to be told from 30 different places this exact same message?
They didn't portray him that way, you're just moronic and can't comprehend basic shit even if its told directly into your face.
He wasnt. Both of them were too obsessed and fricked up.
If its any consolation, Simon going the proverbial "Nova" route probably would have just led to Vampire World granted thats not a certainty.
Reddit HATES the finale lol
It's okay, I hate it a bit too.
I preferred when he was just a personification of a nuke. "The last scholar of GOLB" should have been a completely different character.
Damn the Lich used to have a Posse? what happened to those guys.
it's one of those things they can't retcon explain in their new lore so they just ignore them
>"The last scholar of GOLB"
Should of been Prismo
Did Prismo ever escape his prison the Scarab put him into?
Yeah, he did it in the final episode. It wasn't even subtle and he played a big part, how did you miss that?
Yes, there's like three scenes of him literally punching his way out of it
>he's a janitor
>in a wish-granting cube
>he does it for freedom
>he takes his job very seriously
I do find it funny that this guy was compared to a Janny after his first few appearances and his end fate was to literally become Prismo's janitor.
At least they both have company now
And now scrabby gets to be at the parties
>Golbetty is saving up countless Lich-Tetris Pieces to build something
Something new, unfathomable even.
The ending was just baby's first Charlie Kaufman resolution. It was pretty much just The Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind.
YES eternal sunshine of the spotless mind really really really sings in the same tune as betty and simon's relationship
i was saying this just before the last episodes released (was making a playlist about simon and betty and a song from the movie shuffled in and took me by surprise)
How do you think Marceline reacted when Shermy and Beth told them about the recent incident where the former got possessed by someone called Simon Petrikov?
Probably started crying
>the lich is a pathetic simp
>because
>because he just is ok
He follow a path he though it wold give him satisfaction but didn't, many such cases.
He wasn't that pathetic. He was interesting and oddly humanised in his final moments. If the Lich's evil goals were shown to ultimately make him happy it would betray classic Christian morality. Having him never find that satisfaction and question his purpose to the very end after living a life of evil is weirdly a great way for him to go out. A pure evil existance can never be fulfilling, because Evil can only destroy.
Can we all just agree the adventure time writers are shit story tellers?
ALL STRAIGHT MEN ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND MUST ALWAYS BE PUNISHED FOR DARING TO EXIST. ONLY GAYS, LESBIANS AND MIXED RACED COUPLES (BLACK MAN WHITE WOMAN COMBO) ARE ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY
Gay men can be wrong and miserable too, you're proof of that.
The existence of this Fionna and Cake special was a complete mistake...
>Every anime season i check out all the fantasy anime that comes out for at least 1 episode
>first fantasy anime comes out, it looks ok but i can't stop thinking about adventure time so im not paying attention at all
The world of Ooo is just so much better and alive, with way better adventures, i can't blame prismo for copying it, i should get back into worldbuilding autism
I hate the plotlines but the world really does tickle the mind and make me want to start doing some writing
Prismo was 10/10 character
Prismo is so cute
>ending has Fionna grow into a giantess
>"This is my top fantasy!"
Sizechads, we are so fricking back
Were we ever gone?
Are you happy Fionna?
All this...
For you.....
Why is there a dead hotdog knight on that calendar?
It symbolizes the one Fionna killed
Why the frick do I not remember Fionna killing a hotdog knight?
It was Cake
It was Cake, she touched him and he turned into an ordinary hotdog.
It's hotdog knight #7
Because cake “killed” one of the hotdog knights in episode 1 or 2 by turning it into a normal hotdog
Really loved the way Scarab moved
I wish the scarab moved faster and more methodical actually. I feel like there was to much time in the final fight where he is just standing around and not actually trying to kill Fionna and cake. I mean I understand it was because the story needed Fionna and cake to survive but I just wish they found a way to do it without holding back the scarab.
All the complains about the finale are moronic, the only valid as to why its suck its because GOLBetty didn't vore Simon. Even Simon wanted to be vored, why'd they punish him like this?
I bet betty was already willing to let simon inside Golb but backed off from it after learning that he still has around twenty more years to be around and have so much to live for. Who knows, maybe when he finally dies golb can merge his soul on to her.
honestly the ending was half baked, they could've parted by telling simon that she still loves him but she doesnt agree on trying to risk his life just to save other people since despite being a force of nature golb still has a faint memory of betty inside it. Maybe he could've given her a parting kiss and told her to hold out just a bit more idk. The ending is fine in all, but you couldn't just not argue that its isn't pretty lacking. Telling to move on is basically useless since he has spent literally almost a decade in ooo and just a little more than a decade he's basically going to perish anyway
The ending is the hottest fricking garbage. It's just simon apologizing for no reason and then getting over his depression when not much changed.
Media literacy truly is dead.
>ur lacking muh media literacy because you didn't interpret it how I wanted
Your brain cells are dead
>you didn’t like this shit ending? you’re obviously moronic
have a nice day
DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU!? YOU ARE A M-O-R-O-N!
have a nice day
>Ctrl+F media literacy
>4 results
you type like an underage girl from twitter
Yeah. Simon deserved better
Geez its a cartoon of course its always open to a lot of interpretations not a news article or an opinion piece.
>its always open to a lot of interpretations
Interpretations that are garbage and so far to what the show was trying to convey. Not the same Anon but seeing those replies makes me wonder if we watched the same thing like a lot of the complains (specially the ones involving Simon and Betty deal) aren’t what actually happened at all and it’s just misunderstanding everything shown
>garbage
kek, but shit takes are still takes and they can be picked up and believed by many regardless
Well, I'll take the Fionn and Hunter scraps at least, anyone else in copium?
I mean, why ELSE would they suddenly make him relevant and have Fionna with him at the very end?
brainlet here what the frick was going on with golbetty after she blew simon away
Maybe separating herself from Golb and dying or fully being one with Golb. Presumably she has now moved on from her obsession with Simon and now that she made sure he’ll be ok without her, she no longer feels the compulsion to “keep Simon safe”
Leave jay's surviving kin to me
>"ah yes, 4 new tight dicky and bussy for the wallhole"
>"trauma john you get first dibs on that blond girl"
>Cosmic tea guy survives
Uh what about the other cosmic entities?
Died.
Big missed opportunity to have Martin be in one of the eggs. Upon getting out he looks around and just immediately fricks off again into the space between dimensions
Fionna is going to get with Simon in season 2 after they try long distance dating over the phone.
so, how many loose ends are there still?
>fionna and cake nullifying magic
>glitchy prismo
>whats with the fricking bear god damn it
what else
The apple at the end
The apple to me feels like it's representing Simon and Betty and it has the same type of bow like Golbetty
IT WAS JUST A BEAR, THERE ARE ANIMALS IN THE WOODS ANON!
i dont believe it!!!!
It's the same butterfly that landed on Simon's face in the finale too
>It was just a [headcanon]
>whats with the fricking bear god damn it
ANON IT WAS JUST A FRICKING BEAR
I wanna know who's gonna take care of baby Finn.
Lumpy Fiona universe princess.
can he even grow? hes from an universe where everyone and everything is baby
c-cheked, mega satan
but fionna held him so he has no magic keeping him from growing now
Ice prince dreams
too many to list, at least we know the linch is a simp for golb so there is that.
>fionna and cake nullifying magic
I thought Scarab spelled out that was basically an effect of them being from a "non-canon" universe
Their universe was in a constant state of not being magic, therefore they can sometimes pass thru thei non magic status to other things.
Now that their universe is real and not bounded out by SImons mind that's not a thing anymore
what the frick is this
That has always been there, I assume it had something to do with a old injury billy got.
But Lich only used Billy's skin, not his entire body
I vguess it really was a mere flesh wound
It just occurred to me that the weeds symbolize the imperfections of the universe, and that Hunter's whole speech from the first episode was about accepting them, which Fionna obviously didn't until the very end, to the point where she's literally planting them along with Hunter.
Is that right? Am I interpreting this correctly?
I forgot a dandelion is a weed
when simon is touching various dimensions we don't see puhoy world...
Thats because it was a dream sequence that wasn't real, weird that he dreamt of golb though.
>Finn's happiest ending got ate by Golb
>it was a crossover
>Prismo would’ve been notified
>Prismo would’ve given the kill order
I’m pretty sure that’s because GOLB was on his way to eat it when Finn left.
It was all on finn's head
>It was just a dream bro
>a few episodes later you get an entire rundown on the multiverse from booko and how different worlds can become linked
Y’all are some stupid mother frickers
The finale was good but they missed a chance to be bombastic and generate future buzz, Bubbline kiss generated crazy hype for the OG finale and something like that was missing here
>Bubbline kiss generated crazy hype for the OG finale
That’s not how I remember it
This spike right here is entirely due to all the articles about "gaysbians real on CN??", do you think the people that dropped the show would've cared if not for the kiss?
No but they did it before so that integrity ship sailed, and they can try to make them quality stunts if they want to, nothing's preventing them from doing that, I'd say the Lich and Prismo/Farmworld were the original fanfare finales that helped put the show on the map
If that's what it takes to get renewed, then yes
>do you think the people that dropped the show would've cared if not for the kiss?
It was literally the series finale
But Finn remembers very well
Anon, the buzz around a show pulling stunts is not an indicator of quality.
You'd sacrifice quality of product just to have people's focus on it?
Finn and Fionna kiss could've done it, selfcest is the new LGBT
I hate hypegays so much
just shut the frick up not everything needs to be garbage that gets reactions on social media from subhumans
Not sure how else the Lich's story should have ended. It's a properly haunting conclusion for an avatar of cosmic horror to succeed in killing all life and then just end up as another empty obelisk revolving around the sky of their uncaring patron. I mean, what else is there for an embodiment of death in a world where everything's already dead?
But how is Fionna going to live in her normie world now?
She lost her house, her job and sure as hell ain't getting her deposit back.
>ALL POTENTIAL F&C SIMON AND MARCELINE INTERACTIONS NEVER HAPPENED
>ALL BECAUSE OF BUBBLINE (the only SCENE where they talked and ignored simon because muh heckin marcy lesbo tattoos with pb bubblegum!!!)
God I hate this ship with a burning passion...
Simon is a blind child at fault for not properly controlling his women like a man. Good message, I like it.
normies are going to slop it up and blame simon! men bad! just glancing over any comments on social media piss me off
When is like kiss cartoon going to upload this episode, i can't watch this normally here in my region due to hbo being dumb as hell
Just torrent the episode
https://mega.nz/folder/HyQAmJZA#0K0K8_87YV4YN9SMu10olw
Died like a crying b***h like all nihilists.
Why do people keep saying Farnworld fin is alive, we literally saw his brain get pierced twice by the Scarab
This show gave me a new fetish
>"It's my number one fantasy!
Is she admitting she's into GTS?
Can't wait for the art
Yes. He quite literally got the ultimate reward for his servitude to GOLB. He brought oblivion to countless others, so he was rewarded with the embrace of oblivion himself.
GOLB is essentially Leviathan from the Hellraiser franchise, right up to having a very alien understanding of how best to 'please' those who serve it.
Fionna planting dying dandelions actually pissed me off
Stupid fricking lady just blow the seeds onto the ground, they're going to die soon anyway
Are we ever gonna get a Shermy and Beth show or is it gonna be stuck as parts of different specials
Geese are extinct by the time of beth and shermy...
But Swans aren’t
What do they get out of just dancing around the stuff people want to see but never getting to it, I feel like the whole show was someone circling an apple with their open mouth and never taking a bite
TV writers have nothing but contempt for their audience. They will do anything to spite them. Don't forget to support the strike :]
Found the finncel.
What do you mean? Real fans wanted to see Bubbline and they were able to see it. You are just some seething CHUD from Cinemaphile. It's like Beth said: "if you're not enjoying yourself you can just stop"
I really hate how all of Jake's descendants lost their noses.
I think Scarab is hot now
Frick off Gary.
I thought the human form he took in Farmworld was decently attractive.
>Finn and Fionna would get along
>Marceline and Marshall would get along
>Bubblegum has a 50/50 chance of either getting along with Gumball, or think he's a pansy, while Gumball would think she's insane
This is what they took from you because ‘escapism bad’
Fionna wore nothing but a bra and very tight short shorts for the entire series.
Anon, have you ever been in a gym?
Or watched any female sports that aren’t martial arts or hockey?
I did not expect to see the Pagelings again.
It's pretty cool but it seemingly came out of nowhere and wished it happened earlier in the series.
Why did Simon get so invested in Casper and Nova's adventure? Why didn't he just kill Nova and get the crown? Is he stupid?
They really should have put more thought into the Casper and nova story to have it more clearly parallel Simon and Betty’s life.
Because he liked the characters and they were basically him and Betty
Any story is immediately 0/10 if it pushes gays onto the audience
Not only did they put so much focus on gays in their limited run time but it was inferior versions of the gays. So even the people who are into that got dissapointed
Now that this has been settled I want adult Finn journeys
Does anyone actually want this? It wouldn't be the same without jake
Based on how they handled this it would just be 8 episodes of finn sucking wiener after his wife huntress dies. Lol at huntress fans thinking they were gonna show finn with her.
I thought finns wife was jakes daughter now?
First of all, it was Jake's grand daughter, and second, no, you got tricked by porn.
We get troony latino au fionna and cake huntress wizard instead. You rike it?
>8 episodes of finn sucking wiener
I desperately need them to make this happen. I know Finn had that bi-curious phase.
I feel like Simon Petrikov, the character that drove himself to the brink of madness to get his adoptive daughter some soup, and who spends most of the new series essentially trying to damn himself in order to save some other people he barely knows, is not really the one they should have taught a message about sacrifice.
Also, why are they concerned about this now? Simon and Betty haven't been an actual relationship (not counting the like five seconds they spent being digested together) in over 1000 years. I feel like "Our relationship wasn't perfect" isn't really relevant to his life anymore.
Plus, "Maybe if you'd been less self-centered you wouldn't have even found the crown" is true, but it's true in the same way that "maybe if you'd stepped on a butterfly the mushroom war wouldn't have happened" is true. The crown isn't really a natural consequence of Simon's actions: he didn't bring it on himself, it was just a classic example of someone who doesn't believe in magic getting throughly screwed over by magic.
And the alternative to Simon becoming ice king is him and Betty dying in a magic nuclear war and vampires killing everyone, which is not better. Things basically went as well for this Simon as they could've; sucks for him that he's the universes fated punching bag but at least he saved the world like six times while he was being punched
They weren't trying to say Simon didn't sacrifice enough so much as he didn't think too much about Betty's perspective and how much of herself she gave up. By sacrificing himself again to save Fionna's world, he's repeating the same mistakes that doomed Betty.
said it best.
Except it's not the same mistake and he became used to being ice king. Betty brought it out of it just to leave him alone and out of place. Betty is in no position to be forcing people besides technically having the power to do so.
i agree with this completely.
him becomeing ice king was something of a necessary evil. also, fionna changing into non aaa fionna and the show saying that that is herself contradicts the idea that iceking isnt equally simon. if a altered fionna with no memories of her original state is legit than so is an altered simon with no memories of his original state. non of it makes any sense if youve seen adventure time, and if you havent seen adventure time you dont care about fionna and cake. catch 22.
I didn't like how they had to have Simon say the point of his character arc to your face when it was already conveyed fine in the earlier episodes and even in AT. For a spin off with a higher age rating, they sure loved beating you over the head with what is happening and how you're supposed to feel.
The scene with Golbetty could've been shorter to make time for Simon talking it out with Finn and Marcy. Seriously, I thought they were gonna follow up on Simon not talking to Marcy about his problems, did the writers just forget or not think it was important?
That being said, I really want a Beth and Shermy focused spin-off, the world looks interesting and I wanna see them open more gun-books.
Hey, they literally beat you over the head with the point and some people STILL don't seem to get it. They'd rather ignore what the characters say out loud to believe the narrative they made up in their head instead.
where's ice queen?
Lesbian sec with Giant Fionna and Golbetty
I can't believe it took me till now to notice this meme fail was one of the writers
if being inside of Golb reset the crown the first time and Golbetty had enough power to timeshift Simon into Shermy's mind and turn the Lich into geometry then she could've just reset the fricking crown again or removed the curse from it
Golbetty would have to eat the crown first to do that and then cough it up somehow.
Is baby finn forever a baby?
Yes, but I still dont understand who made the candy sentinels when everyone is a baby
would finn have low diffed scarab? he seems like a mid tier villain overall. high durability low offense. finn might have a hard time actually hurting him.
He's a cosmic god, he's pretty much near the top, he was only defeated by stealing his tech.
If Betty broke up with Simon then Simonna is far game? Hell they call and text each other now. I'm sure prsmo will help them keep in touch knowing him
I think the writers did a good enough job in AT proper to show that Betty self sacrificed to a fault but it she also did it selfishly, not considering Simon's agency and feelings. Then it was Simon's turn to think about what he also could've done to take some weight off Betty. Perhaps if he followed her passions too she would've turned out a different person, one who didn't think about sacrifice all the time and wouldn't become Golbetty. At the end of the day they both made mistakes but Betty kept spiraling to a point of no return while Simon still has the opportunity to grow and get better.
What did they mean by this
That fionna gave him Cosmic AIDs when she had the tantrum on top of prismos body, and that the Scarab will eventually have to replace Prismo since he is now dying.
That or the old man will have to wake up again and fall back asleep for Prismo to once gain be recreated but without Fionna AIDs.
i would let the lich rip off my ballsack just to smell fionna's bed once
I still love the Lich but I feel like the show did him dirty with the whole """depression""" thing. Hope it gets retconned into him not being a golb simp but using golb to further his own goals. That's the Lich I want to see.
The lich should of been more machine like, we never should of seen him past episode 8. Having the Golb fire in his eye would of been the perfect final scene for him this season.
That or him trying to take over golb's power. But the scene of him being the only "living" thing in the dead Ooo, would've been fitting too.
Turns out winter king had it right. Betty who? Frick that b***h.
I wish Cake was a more entertaining character. I don't care if Prismo monkey paw's me.
>From fun wizard to sad loser!
>Cake singing and destroying and harming all of those creatures
I don't think cake ever once thought about her harmful actions. She probably things those creatures are all buttholes for putting her in the stockades to this day.
Betty and simon could of had a good relationship when they were both crazy wizards. Betty wasn't all there but neither was Simon, they would of made a good fit.
Whats his end game
To bring laughter and cheer to the world
That's his endgame, to become a flying thing.
Find out where Gunther went.
I realized in the finale that I was only watching this for Simon and Betty
I did not care about what happened to Fionna's world or the people there at all
>you turn my world back the way it was before my friends might not be homosexuals again
direct quote holy shit this is grim
The marking between his eyes looks like nerd glasses