Adventure Time: FIonna and Cake

Are we satisfied with how the Lich was handeled?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was fine. It's a natural end for his character, if he really achieved his goal it wouldn't have made him happier or feel complete. This was the show finally addressing that.
      I'm mostly glad they didn't waste money bringing back Ron Pearlman for just one sentence and some grunts.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if he really achieved his goal it wouldn't have made him happier or feel complete.
        Because the show personified him.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It was fine. It's a natural end for his character
        bold of you to assume they wont bring him back AGAIN at the next opportunity. He literally just keeps coming back to the point im not sure if it benefits his character or just is a blatant case of overreliance

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only reason people like the lich is cause he has a cool voice. He stopped being menacing after the 3rd jobbing and his whole thing is just to monolog and job again.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >”what do you want from me now!”
      This line implies that the Lich had some sort of prior experience involving Golb, perhaps that was the reason for his actions, I wish I could hear what he was whispering

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That or he was just another loony nihilisrix cult nut who just presumed to know the desires of an idiot god thing and got bummed out when he got to personally experience how a world devoid of life is shit

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        How dumb we only find out about shit like this that is supposedly important about him 5 secs before “Golb” kills him off.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Golbetty celebrating bring your husband to work day

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironic he got the same treatment Slade got in Teen Titans

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The true embodiment of enthropy, in the end his existance was meaningless
      All are of those tetris pieces just infinite Liches?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      would

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So was the implication supposed to be Simon was a previous incarnation of Finn or that Finn and Simon are distant relatives.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      neither?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Neither, Shermie just happened to be on his way to the library with Beth.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like to think that all the geometrical shapes are just different lich who got there

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever given her a chance?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >voiced by lena dunham in her first episode and felicia day every other
      Nope

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does her crotch look like that
      Is she wearing a diaper or something

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        its just Pen-era adventure time design

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I hope so

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's next for Simon? He's about to be homeless cause he doesn't like modern humans.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably get free rent as he lives near the candy kingdom and it's never implied there's a tax . And he could ask Finn for funds.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's never implied there's a tax
        PB collected taxes from Finn & Jake by herself

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually remember how hard that made me laugh when that episode aired. The slow decent into making PB into a shitty person was funny

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Only taxes non-citizens
          >Not even in her territory

          Damn...

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He goes to live in the candy kingdom or marceline's cave house

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He has a harem of Minervas obedient to his every whim. I think he’ll be fine.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's got options. Move in at Marcy's place, get a place in Candy Kingdom with a my surrogate daughter is the princesses' gf discount, maybe move into Finn's old treehouse or a library

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        This takes place after Obsidian, so Marceline’s house was probably his previous residence.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He has that big setup of the 90s goin on, he's probably fine

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Live next to Marceline or Finn probably.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Where does Finn live? We never got any indication to where he, Jake and their little friends went to live after the finale.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Jake probably lives with Lady. The season 11 comics had Finn just build a house with his friends

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but the comics aren't canon.
            Also what about BMO and NEPTR?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Where does Finn live?
          In his adventerous van

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thats just the mystery van but with less clues and more violence.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t believe midwits think the show is condemning Simon or Petty. Beth spells it out as blunt as possible. The choices Betty and Simon make led them to this ending. There was just no going back once they went too far

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly this. The same parallel can be seen with Finn and FP. It’s not that they weren’t a good match for each other, but they made choices that ended having big consequences.
      Most of us have had that friendship or love ruined by something stupid we did that we wish we could undo or do things differently.
      It’s part of growing up and learning from mistakes. I cringe at some of dumb things I did and how they effected people.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Giving up on a relationship because of any single mistake from the other person because you refuse commital and sleeping around is not part of “growing up” at all. What a pozzed zoomer mindset. If the person you love makes a mistake you stay commited and help fix it, don’t just flick them aside as if love is superfluous and move on to your proverbial cinnamon bun fat bastard.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh I agree you should try to work things out, I meant more so in Simon and Betty’s case. What happen with Finn and FP was total bullshit but there are similar parallels. The moving on part being more so that you shouldn’t give up so easily, like FP did with Finn, but realize that no matter hard you try, things just don’t work out. In the case of Simon, not being able to move on despite the show being very clear that nothing can undo Betty’s fate but that the time they spent together should be cherished and not let regret hold you back.
          It’s more so how one handles regret and accepting what happens than wishing to fix mistakes and not living in the past

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know Scarab getting to write a universe and glitchy Prismo are our sequel hooks, but I don’t feel interested in more AT if it’s not gonna involve characters we know
    >Prismo’s suggested theme of true heroism
    I’d like to see Fionna do that theme..

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would be open to another special but in 3-5 years
      I would much rather keep the specials going than get a reboot, honestly more shows should do this. It worked for futurama

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jay just leaves his home to live in a different universe with his tomboy gf
    Man now I really hope Farmworld Finn didn't die lol, those kids are gonna be eaten alive

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does the Ice Kingdom still have ice without the crown? Maybe Winter King warmed him to the beauty of ice again and he could live there in sweet solitude

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gunter fused with the crown and became Ice Thing, it still exists.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Him ending up as a time room janny but starting to hang out with Prismo was nice. I'd like to see an episode of them just shooting the shit, playing vidya, and fricking with normies. Maybe start a podcast with Cosmic Owl

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly really based of Prismo saving Scarab despite what Scarab did. Prismo probably felt bad he never gave Scarab a chance with that “I was never invited to parties” line and wants to give Scarab a chance to mellow out. We’ve all had that person in out lives who gave a bad first impression only for them to be really cool after giving them a chance

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Scarab is a murderous space jannie. Seems kinda psycho to let him off lightly unless he or the boss fixes the cosmic deaths.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >P Hey Scarab, if you had a clone of the Lich would you torture it?
      >S: Why not just say what if you had a tiny little Lich?
      >P: BECAUSE!
      >S: No listen, I wouldnt because they didnt commit the crimes!
      >P: Holy shit he did HE DID!
      >S: If its a clone he didnt fricking do anything!
      >P: He did do it!
      >S: No he didnt the actual Lich did Prismo!
      >P: He actually did it but this Lich did it in his head!
      >S: THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE!
      >P: He's still a bad guy! He's still evil! He thinks he did it!
      >S: BUT HE DIDNT!
      >S: WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A CLONE!?!
      >CO: Prismo it doesnt make sense...
      >TV: Can I make my wish now?

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Become literal goddess
    >Frick off to the void with a new job intertwined with cosmic bureaucracy
    >Ex thinks this is a bad thing
    >Tries and fails to “cure” you
    >His failures make him suicidal
    >He wants to commit suicide in front of you
    >Reroute his teleporting spell so that he sees that killing himself would also kill an entire world
    >He ignores that
    >He does it again
    >Reroute again
    >After going on an multiversal road trip he finally decides not to Jill himself
    >Instead he wants to induce ego death
    >In the same room as an omnicidal maniac
    >Reroute his teleportation spell so he gets transported to me
    >Gives a big speech and puts on the crown
    >The world in his head literally becomes corrupted because of course it does
    >Rewind time
    >He gives the speech again
    >Stop him from putting on the crown by sending his consciousness 1000 years into the future and tricking him into playing a video game that’s literally based on our relationship
    >He finally gets it through his thick skull
    >Just in time to because a coworker is trying to kill him
    >WTF he just threw that sentient crown containing the minds of its previous wearers into the void between universes
    >Whatever, not my problem
    >Finally give him a face to face and officially break up
    >May or may not have given up godhood the second he finally moves on

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously be direct and you stop a lot of problems right away

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, the wish was for the power to keep Simon safe. It really depends on the matter if Golb wants to stay fused with Betty or if it even has the power to choose.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    While I think it could probably be better, I think there is definitely something interesting there. The Lich dedicated his entire existence to this one goal, and when he finally achieved it he suddenly realised he wasn't satisfied with it. Can you imagine that? It was an interesting moment of humanisation for the evilest entity in the show. This isn't what most Liches are like, but it is how the Lich who completes his goal is like. Because his goal is ultimately empty, there is some nice very old fashioned morality in play of the futility of evil. Good creates, and has meaning. Evil can only destroy and corrupt, and is left with nothing but a sad emptiness in the end. I am surprised that some people here dislike this when they are usually obsessed with old fashioned, very Christian morality like this.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The anons here are obsessed with counter culture. Actual nuance and meaning is going to be lost

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is betty really going back to babby form and cessation of self (whatever there is leftover) now that simon moved on?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like to think she fricked off to explore the multiverse.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Simon and Betty form a relationship
    >Simon being an airhead doesn't realize he's taking the entire lead in it, Betty is content with being his supporting actor
    >This leads to Simon finding the Ice Crown and becoming the Ice King which would snowball into Betty choosing to jump to the future and try and "fix him"
    >Betty rather than talk with anyone just begins studying magic users and decides to try and scam the strongest magic user of them all and in doing so sees exactly the path she'll go down
    >Continues anyway despite getting multiple warning and failed attempts decides to make a choice she can't turn back on, getting what she wanted but basically sacrificing her relationship for it
    >Simon left alone begins going down the same path but when Golbetty finally spells out what his choices would ultimately mean realizes it can't work out anymore
    >Golbetty still cares about him, enough to let him live his life and to help him with the Fiona and Cake problem.
    >He works to move on

    The entire point of this is that Simon and Betty both had other options. Simon could have been more considerate. Betty could have actually worked with the people who cared about Simon in the future and been fricking pointed straight to Prismo's time chamber. She LITERALLY gets her hands on the Enchiridion and all the gems and could have opened a portal and made a WISH to fix Simon which would have been within Prismo's powers. She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead. Simon and Betty COULD have worked, it's just the two of them kept making the wrong choices.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >She was even AWARE of Prismo because of Magicman's memories, but instead she focuses on the choices SHE thinks are right instead
      This just seems like your own bullshit extrapolation to make AT’s shallow writing seem deep (something unfortunately common in these shit threads). Obviously in a choice between a benevolent wish by Prismo and a dangerous wish by Golb she would have chosen Prismo, she just never considered or tried or mentioned this faultless option because they needed to force a bad finale against a big evil monster.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lilworld

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked the finale for the most part, stuff with Simon and Betty was cool, fionna and cake stuff was really lame imo though.

    Also what the frick was that dance party illumination tier pop song at the end?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just wish we got to see our Huntress hanging with Finn. The finale really tried to push the Finn x Huntress ship with their parallels. Also would have been cool if Simon brought his Finn to help fight against the Scarab and have Finn be a semi mentor for Fionna on “how to kick monster butt”

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    what kind of world is this?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like a world were the crown made Ice King into the Fire King? That thing in the back looks like the three israeliteels from the crown

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s the monster Evergreen got the Crown’s gems from. Maybe it’s a world where the Lich’s catalyst comet never came or one where Evergreen found an aternate power source?

        Yeah, Magwood. The lava dog thing.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s the monster Evergreen got the Crown’s gems from. Maybe it’s a world where the Lich’s catalyst comet never came or one where Evergreen found an aternate power source?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      this but with her mini-skirt and also she's panty-less

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I see why they gave her the shorts now

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >No more Cake being frankly terrifying in how she destroys enemies
    Seriously those vamp chomps were metal

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alright, these last two episodes were cool. But I'm really disappointed in that Simon didn't become immortal again in one way or the other, such as by becoming a wish-master. Probably because he's been immortal for so long and now he's just gonna die like any human? I really like Simon and this feels so sad.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey there is still more in store for him. He didnt show up in the death worlds in together again

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Simon would probably try and get reincarnated asap

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish Golbetty could have given him some cool magic wizard powers without the madness before he went back to ooo.

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure, I remember when the Lich was described as a no nonsense villan who just wanted to end all life and didn't care about deeper meanings or fancy monologues, but then what's the point of keeping such a one note character for this long right. Maybe just keeping him dead after the 2nd time would have been better.

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He went the Casper route
      >Didnt go to the water world
      >Didnt find the secret key
      NGMI

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      would both of them

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Cinemaphile has turned to Cinemaphile

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It truly was the adventure of our time..

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What was her end-game? Did she know she would transform back into Golb and disappear forever? Would Simon and Betty even meet in the dead world? Or is Betty wiped from existence since she demanifested in the void between worlds?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      We'll never know-
      unless a season 2 comes or some shit.

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can a general be added to the subject line? Or are generals not allowed on Cinemaphile?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Or are generals not allowed on Cinemaphile?
      They aren’t, but I’m not sure if the current moderation team remembers that or even cares.

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained? And why does prismo start glitching?

    Also wondering if they'll do a season 2 where they fix the shit they ruined in the vampire world

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hooks for season 2

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained?
      Yes, Scarab say they diseased all the universes they visited

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s not an explanation

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained?
          Yes, Scarab say they diseased all the universes they visited

          So did the thing about fionna and cake making things normal ever get explained? And why does prismo start glitching?

          Also wondering if they'll do a season 2 where they fix the shit they ruined in the vampire world

          my best assumptions (which also aren't mutually exclusive, could be a mix of both) are:
          >1) Due to Fionna & Cake's world being in Simon's mind, the influence of Simon being "normal" that changed their world is contagious
          >2) It's An Issue with unauthorized universes or universes not directly connected with the rest of the multiverse because ???
          either way something that would stop being an issue once their world was out of Simon's head and joined the greater multiverse

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muto can’t write finales to save his life. It’s insane that this mediocre slop is being lapped up by the fans.

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thank FRICK they haven't shown the Boss

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But they did. The boss is literally the phone.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then who was phone

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The boss.

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Should have worn a skirt

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You see how there is literally no indent where the shorts reach the skin? Primso painted those things on.

  32. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >le adventuring and escapism is le bad uhhh therapy

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would trust an AI to give better advice and be more trustworthy then an actual human therapist. You should never trust a medical professional with anything other then actual physical illness.

  33. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You just know they custom-made this frame for some sick frick out there to enjoy

    It's me, I'm the sick frick

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am also that sick frick

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >for some sick frick out there to enjoy
      >Out there
      More like "In there", it was one of the writers and artists thing for sure.

  34. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fern bros...

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      holy based, this should've happened in the actual show

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was prismo's fanfiction and even Prismo knew that fern deserved better then what he got.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was prismo's fanfiction and even Prismo knew that fern deserved better then what he got.

        Yeah, finn sloppy seconds.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I get making Marceline and then subsequently Marshall black because Olivia is black, but why the frick is DJ Flame brown when Flame Princess was voiced by a white woman

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but why the frick is DJ Flame brown
        Because coal is black and coal is most commonly associated with fire. That and because the bright red and yellow of fire contrasts better with darker tones then with lighter tones.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah using that same logic Marceline and Marshall should be white since they're pale vampires, but they're not. Ash who was a darker-skinned vampire than Marcy is a pale white woman in the Fionna human world.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ash isn’t a vampire, just a wizard

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did you here Flame Prince in the original? He was super black.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          So Marshall could've been voiced by white guy and white in the human universe then, interesting

          And FP’s dad was voiced by a black dude.

          And Marcy's dad was voiced by a white guy

          least racist adventure time fan

          I just don't like hypocrisy

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        And FP’s dad was voiced by a black dude.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        least racist adventure time fan

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        So Marshall could've been voiced by white guy and white in the human universe then, interesting

        [...]
        And Marcy's dad was voiced by a white guy

        [...]
        I just don't like hypocrisy

        They also made Hunter and Ellis latino despite HW being played by a israelite and LSP voiced by Pen. I guess the rule was "no white guys unless they're gay".

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Remember that's Simon's headcannon.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Real live Californians wrote and designed that headcanon

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              One thing doesn't change the other, you're still seeing how Simon imagines things.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >simon makes the annoying, nasally voiced parasite a israelite
            What did the Russian man mean by this?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        He looks tanned at most (because "fire" get it?).

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nah he's black, he's voiced by Hannibal Buress

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He spoke? Did I miss that?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous
      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        look at his scalp. he is sunburnt which makes him red. Like a flame.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      holy based, this should've happened in the actual show

      He dumped Finn for Fern?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Aye

  35. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This show has been subverted so bad that wanting to adventure in a fricking ADVENTURE TIME show is shown to be bad. Betty can also just do whatever the frick she wants but Simon has to move on because…?

  36. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Shows cleavage in the finale
    Okay then

  37. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Late to the party, did they expand on Golb more lately? That was such an asspull for a villain during the original finale.
    Also do you think this is truly the last we'll see of the Lich or will they pull alternate universe stuff?

  38. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's over. It's all over. Rate the show overall

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      A solid 8/10, felt like it took a bit long to get things going in the first three episodes and I was not expecting a more brooding lich and did not think that was a good direction to take him in.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      7/10 (6 if Cinemaphile didn't care, it was nice to discuss this show with you, my frens)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      0/10
      there's more unanswered questions than answers and unsatisfactory ending.
      also the lich is nothing but a mere pawn

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Overall like a 6 or 7 out of time. I still overall enjoyed my time with this series and think the series kept a good level of quality throughout.
      Just a lot of small inconsistencies with handling characters and plot that add up. So many different writers being allowed to start up plotlines and lore only for someone else to wrap it up so they can do their own storyline and being given a little bit too much freedom with the cast. Characters randomly being stupid or out of character one moment only for them to be a total badass pulling 200 IQ actions another moment. Plus the writers in the later seasons had that “ALL MEN” attitude just to make the male cast look incompetent, useless, or bad.
      The way they handled Gumbald with him having that dumb dumb potion on him still rubs me the wrong way. Yea of course he’s still gonna have something like that on him, he just had a internal revelation that patched things up with PB and hadn’t had the chance to “disarm” himself. Oh but the dumb c**t Aunt who just backstabbed Gumbald gets a pass because “trust me he was still evil”

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      8/10 it was fun. Hope we get more.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      4/10
      Bad animation, lazy halfassed writing, and worst of all the unforgiveable tone deafness
      It exists I guess

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      8/10. Would've been a 9 if they didn't do that cliffhanger with the fanfiction AUs coming together. Only for the squirrel to actually bring anything useful while the rest jacked off in the corner. Baby Finn and Peppermint Tank I can maybe understand but you really need to confirm whether or not Jay's family is safe or not. He just feels like Martin Mertins unintentionally by having him abandon his family like that. The entire Scarab conflict was an afterthought. He just felt like a generic monster after the world became canonized and he kept going.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      0/10
      Fionna and Cake had little reason to even be here, and if the only point was Simon moving on then they did a bad job of it and most of it was still pointless masturbation
      Feels like the kind of thing you need to be a seriously biased Adventure Time fan beforehand to enjoy, to any layman this was all unfocused meandering garbage and absolutely none of it was powerful or compelling

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah had betty just decided to appear to simon in episode 2 the series could've been done eight episodes less

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm starting a sequel series, set after the events of a 10+ season show and continuing old themes and plots
        >WTF I don't understand anything that's going on or know any of the characters
        For frick sake, you're the reason every movie adaption has to spend 30 minutes setting up the lore every fan already knows because you whine if you're not spoonfed every piece of subtext.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I understand all your puddle-deep "lore" and I know all of it. I watched Adventure Time too.
          I just see that this show is trash, and anyone unbiased to nostalgia would see that it's masturbatory trash.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you came into a thread for discussing Adventure Time to let everyone else know it's bad because it's about Adventure Time?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's bad for being a bad show by all understandable merits on which a show is judged. The fact it has to do with adventure time "lore" and fanservice does not make it better or worse, it's shit of its own accords.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, it's an Adventure Time show about Adventure Time.
                It's exactly as advertised.
                If you expected something else after this much content from the same creators and are mad it's more of the same, that's on you.
                People enjoyed Adventure Time. People enjoyed this because it's evolved from Adventure Time. It's why it was even made. Specifically to have more Adventure Time content.
                It's not for you. If you don't like it, fine, but you are getting so angry that people are enjoying something you don't. Instead of complaining about something you're clearly not interested in, why not spend time watching something that you do enjoy?
                And if you give some edgy answer that you don't enjoy anything or enjoy watching people get annoyed at your complaints, obviously you're not even here to discuss the show and just want attention.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was criticising the show, because the show is extremely poorly made and I was replying to a post asking for people to rate it.
                My comment about a layman thinking it's bad is in regards to a layman having no nostalgia for it that may blind them to how badly the story is written, because the story is written awfully here. The fact it ties back to previously existing "lore" with Simon and Betty does not change the fact this is a shit animated series and nor does your desire for a hugbox where noone should talk about the show if they think it was bad.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not looking for a hugbox. The show has obvious flaws, like plot-points being dropped or pointless resolutions (like all the side-characters suddenly appearing in the last 5 minutes) but your complaints aren't about the show or how to improve it.
                You're complaining it's more of the same and that's stupid because it's confusing to new comers, blaming nostalgia-bating, and it's bad because you say it's bad. Explain WHY you think it's bad other than 'It's my opinion it's bad because it's made for nostalgic fans and that's not me'

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I said why I think it's bad. I said none of the moments were compelling or powerful or well-written. I said the story meanders and that Fionna and Cake are pointless. I said the story is largely about Simon but his side of the story is shittily told with a haphazard moral parable they force into the last 2 episodes.
                None of my points was saying that nostalgia bait is bad.
                It's that Adventure Time gays such as yourself are such manchildren you'll eat up any poorly made slop and cry persecution if anyone says it was badly made, only because it has nostalgia.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      6/10 the multiverse stuff was super interesting,so was the lore, but what was the point? the ending felt incredible rushed, this needed two seasons at minimum

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, I think they could just get away with doing anthology stories of different universes.
        After all, the original Fionna and Cake episode was just another average episode but set in a different universe, and it was so popular that it eventually spawned the sequel.
        I'm pretty sure most people would be content just have self-contained episodes set in different universes. So big plots, just fun adventures like the start of the show, just with different takes on the cast.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      7/10, good to have AT content and the series was overall pretty good, but that ending… it’s like they wrote it when they were all sleep deprived.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      6/10
      best episodes were 2, 5, and 8

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      4/10 animation
      3/10 story
      6/10 AUs
      6/10 resolution
      3/10 villain
      5/10 characters
      4/10 tone
      4/10 pacing

      Overall 4/10

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      7/10 but the ending and the denoument are a fine 5 at best

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      7/10, would’ve been a 9/10 but yeah those last two episodes are rough and don’t carry the momentum the rest of the series has leading up to them.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      AT gets a 5/10 overall. i dont need to explain that.
      F&C gets a 5/0. the star episode was fricking pointless and they spent way too much time on the gays in fionnas world. i think the real problem is they started with a moral they wanted to preach and then built the plot around that, and they frankly dont have the skill to make that work. even if they where better writers writing a story like that in a pre established world was fricking moronic. just a bad choice. it feels like it was written by someone with a shiny new literature degree.
      it was good fan service, episodes 2, 6, and 8 where cool. it earned a 4, purely because its cannon adventure time. if it was a fanfic it would earn a 5. ill give it a 5 because i like adventure time and pawn swan made me smile.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      2/10
      I seriously don't get the hype

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      whole series feels like it could've been covered by a competent writer in just 1 episode
      3/10

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I liked the "AT multiverse tour" vibe, not everything has to be plot all the time, but yes the actual plot could've been more striking

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      1/10
      it's all the writing of a wattpad fanfic with all the artstyle of late-season AT

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      0/10 that finale was fricking embarassing

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no dark twist at the end just le happy ending
      0/10 soiled AT

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        A "happy" ending that doesn't even make sense or feel deserve either.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Everything must have an edgy twist

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      7.7
      it was 8.8 to me before the finale. I will rewatch the wishmaster ep and destiny and winter king and the star and jerry numerous times in the future

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      3/10, It had cool concepts and then immediately ruined them.

  39. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Geniunely hate Betty now and I hope some future adventurer like Sweet Pea or something kills her in the future.

  40. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Finn and the bear get no followup
    >Farmworld Finn probably dead because Jay and Little Destiny want to elope
    >Vampire world left without a Finn and the Peppermint Tank

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly thought that the bear was Huntress Wizard when it first showed up.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They really did say "frick those worlds" huh, what's wrong with that

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Vampire world left without a Finn and the Peppermint Tank
      What the frick was the tank and baby finn going to do in that world?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      the bear was huntress wizard
      finn frickin killed huntress wizard bro

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >finn frickin killed huntress wizard bro
        Just another bit of trauma for him to deal with

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Finn and the bear get no followup
      It's heavily implied to have been the Ooo equivalent of Big Destiny, although yeah it is strange they never follow it up for some reason.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      FF fin is alive. Huge fricking doubt the oldest kid would just abandon his siblings in the middle of the woods while his gf's gang wants to beat the shit out of all of them. Plus our Finn has taken worst hits and nothing came of it.

      Vamp world was already dead. The humans were below replenishment numbers. Persumbley Marcy got staked and BG went splat. The king guy was still very much in control and could live his days till the blood ran out.

      Only loser in all this is baby world as now baby jake may never see his baby finn again forever. Plus baby lich.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        We last saw Farmworld Finn when he had his head pierced by Scarab's legs. He's dead until further notice.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          His hat was made to be vampire-proof, it protects you from being punctured.

  41. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    so if Casper & Nova was written by Simon, but he was inspired by a game he made in the future, where did it come from?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It came from a Simon who already lived through all this since GOLB isn't multiversal

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >simon created a video game to teach his past self a lesson
        >but who made the original game?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Me, I did it.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was no original video game, just a Simon who had more of his shit together and didn't need to be taught he fricked up

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No dummy that’s our Ooo 1000 years in the future. In the end sequence you can see the F&C fan girl doodling Casper and nova, she goes on to be the author probably after hearing the story from Simon

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          It came from a Simon who already lived through all this since GOLB isn't multiversal

          so if Casper & Nova was written by Simon, but he was inspired by a game he made in the future, where did it come from?

          Probably GOLBetty.
          Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.

          Golbetty might've manipulated time tangentially to lead to this, but it was most definitely the fangirl of Fionna and Cake at the beginning. Here's her sketch book. She made it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What I get out of this is that Simon has a little e-girl crushing on him and obsessed about him like Betty was, Simon is doomed to repeat his mistake... but on the bright side, dicky

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Simon would never initiate it, but Astrid... well she seems awfully curious as to why Simon and Betty never had a child. It would be a reverse-rape situation.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably GOLBetty.
      Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably GOLBetty.
      Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.

      Did you guys not watch the epilogue? The little girl who was obsessed with Fionna and Cake were sketching out Casper and Nova while Simon told her about the old days and his adventures. Earlier on, they made a point to point out that the author's name was smudged on the book and then Simon assumes he wrote it, because of the crown (he doesn't even say it's the future, he says another multiverse version of himself must have wrote it.) The little girl was the author of the book, which is partially based on her exchanges with Simon. That's why Betty sent him to there, so he could see a reflection of his own life by someone the changed version of himself interacted with. It's a timeloop that Betty implemented.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Casper and Nova were made by Astrid though, right? We see her making the characters, which eventually make it into the CYOA gunbook. The idea that Simon made it was just something he thought when trying to get the book open

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, Betty just hijacked his mind and use it as a vessel for Simon to express her feelings for him. Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception

      Probably GOLBetty.
      Remember how Prismo sent the Farmworld Crown back in time so it would be next to the Lich bomb when it exploded? The fact that Farmworld Finn said he had to rebury it meant it survived that, and Simon said that some powerful magic had to had destroyed it when they find the remains. Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.

      >Despite becoming an Elder God, I don’t think GOLBetty is above directly intervening on the mortal plane.
      Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Golb is not just a being but a force of nature. She can pretty much manifest herself indirectly on the mortal world whenever she pleases.
        Agreed, I think this is show most blantantly when prismo says "Woah, their universe has been canonized? HOW did that happen?" Emphasis on how, he doesn't even know how his fanfiction got canonized.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          They also say Simon's relationship with Betty was one sided, really like he didn't care enough about her.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think you replied to the wrong Anon.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was obviously made by fan girl

  42. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    there was no point to bring back the lich other than "oh noes hes back". we already get he becomes useless when he doesn't have a purpose. making him b***hmode and whine makes him so lame

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is the most character the lich has had since ever

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        yea, being a lil b***h!! like op image

  43. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >simon riding astrid's hoverbike
    what was the point of this scene

  44. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simon should’ve put the crown on again out of spite. FRICK BETTY.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, I was expecting Simon to shove the crown into his head for someone to wear in the Fionna universe. Returning magic to their world and containing the Scarab.

  45. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the lich more like the b***h *dabs*

  46. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game
    >actually he's not depressed anymore because uh AI therapy and fionna and cake are a thing
    What a great ending

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know thats not what the message was you moron

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's literally what happened moron

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I saw the episode moron, that's not what happened.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You must not have payed attention. It literally says Simon ignored Betty's better options and "let her sacrifice herself for him" meaning it's his fault.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              And you miss the part were they say he's not really at fault (people can't read minds) and that even if the path the took was bad they didn't regret being together.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You deserve to die

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      She told him she didn't regret anything.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beth calling Simon a little kid for not understanding the difference between love and obsession was funny

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >actually Simon wasn't considerate enough/didn't care about betty and it's his fault everything turned out like this here look at this game
      They LITERALLY say it's not his fault.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        They literally call him a child that didn't know better or pay enough attention and have him apologize for what betty did as if he was at fault anyway.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Beth specifically says it wasn't his fault, and later with Betty they acknowledge that she made her own choices and wouldn't change anything.
          Simon didn't force her to do anything, the relationship was doomed but it's not like Simon was some toxic boyfriend or something.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Betty is considered obsessed and any positive feelings towards Simon are now portray as toxic or "one sided". They have simon apologize and say he wasn't supportive enough. It's just shit.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              That’s your own schizophrenic projection. Relationships reach a point of no return. Fusing with an elder god is a point of no return for most relationships

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well she was genuinely head over heels for him even to the point that she literally made herself insane just to cure him. Simon letting her go is a sign that he's still not ready yet but the time will come when she'll fix things back to where they were

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Beth and Shermy haters lost
      I love Beth especially now.
      ooo 1000 years later series when?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Soulless

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its funny how Finn's reincarnation is now a deliquent of the former candy kingdom

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          the Pup Kingdom is not the new Candy Kingdom. Gibbon is much more of a classic tyrant like flame king

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which is why I noted former. I just thought it was amusing

  47. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think ultimately the Lich never truly understood Golb. He heard "embodiment of chaos" and assumed that meant killing everything. The Lich's machine like behavior and systematic approach to a one track minded goal was, at the end of the day, not very chaotic at all.

  48. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Casper and Nova was basically Golbetty's conception

    Wrong. In all timeline and all universes, there are billions of people reading books at any moment. Betty chose someone who happened to be reading a book that expressed her intentions.

  49. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So why can’t Betty just make herself human again?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      More importantly. Why can't she just make a clone of herself. She can sync with her clone, right?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      NEVER
      she's DEAD FOREVER in all dimensions

  50. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      What did happen to all the gooses anyways?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m what happened

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        sold into slavery by the dog race

        So there's definitely an intergalatic cosmic war going on in the background right? Cosmic Owl's warrant has him for profiteering of all things? Prismo keeps glitching, big boss relegates Scarab to a janny as he technically was fulfilling his function in the cosmic war, and Betty is manipulating everyone as primordial chaos much like how she might've manipulated events for Astrid to make Casper and Nova. All to communicate with Simon her thoughts and feelings.

        What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?

        i dont know if this was hinted around the finale but one of betty's goals was to avert the entire mushroom war from happening. She might be basically throwing the universe into chaos so she could let this happen

  51. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So Betty actually can communicate with Simon this whole time but just chooses not to? Why did she wait so long to tell him to move on? He was clearly suffering the entire time.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      When she fused with GOLB, she became enlightened and moved on.
      Simon is behind her, in a cosmic sense, and her pursuing him means nothing in the infinite cosmos of a never-ending, ever expanding reality. In a ton of realities, Simons and Bettys got together, just not theirs and why should it matter? Their experiences lead them there and with monkeys-on-infinite-typewriters, likely would again, so why undo it?
      She doesn't hate Simon and is fond of their history (on some level) but also has no use for him in the future. She doesn't want him to suffer outright, but his pain for her is based on his own actions and choices so it's deserved so he is who he is and simply erasing that she changes who he is (and with Fionna's subplot, we see that's a bad thing to just change people because you think it's in their best interest.)
      So, GOLBETTY compromised, and helped Simon to cope by exposing him to himself rather than changing anything with him after he decided to confront the problems in his life.
      GOLBETTY could have created a perfect reality for Simon, but Simon could have asked Prismo for that.
      GOLBETTY could erase Simon's memories of her, but Simon has access to magic and tech that could do that if he wanted.
      GOLBETTY could create a new Betty (if she's more content being GOLB) but Simon could also find another replacement Betty in another reality if that's what he wanted.
      Anything GOLBETTY could have done for Simon, he's capable of doing himself through magic and technology. She's just moved on, and as unsatisfying as that is, it's at least realistic and GOLBETTY hasn't been a b***h to Simon either, rather, helping him to cope in healthier ways.

  52. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every tetris piece is a litch that won and travled to golb
    METAL
    Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I keep seeing people mention this, but I don't understand where exactly this is implied. That lich was turned into a Tetris piece, but that doesn't mean that all the others are liches as well. They could simply be powerful entities that Golb turned into Tetris pieces, much like how the Lich was imprisoned in that Cosmic jail for a time.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        or anything golb decided to frick with, people aren't good at extrapolating information

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?
      Doesn't exist I assume.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who is the litch in Fionna and cakes wolrd?
      Rob Zombie

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who is the Litch in Fionna and Cake's world
      As far as I've seen it is a world before the mushroom war, so the Litch is likely yet to exist.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jerry from HR

  53. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So there's definitely an intergalatic cosmic war going on in the background right? Cosmic Owl's warrant has him for profiteering of all things? Prismo keeps glitching, big boss relegates Scarab to a janny as he technically was fulfilling his function in the cosmic war, and Betty is manipulating everyone as primordial chaos much like how she might've manipulated events for Astrid to make Casper and Nova. All to communicate with Simon her thoughts and feelings.

    What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What was Golbetty's endgame creating proxy wars against the Gods themselves?
      The destruction of all realities so that the cycle may begin anew and primordial Chaos once again births new realities.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      We know that the Enchiridion's creator is said to "reset" the universe every 10k years. It's what led gnostic-anon to believe that this would all end in the restart of said time loop. The israeliteels in the Ice Crown were seen on various usurpers who attempted to bind the primordial god of magic Coconteppi. Was this prior to Evergreen's timeline? Did Evergreen copy his homework or recreate the Usurper's tech through sheer brute force? We may never know, but the israeliteels are linked to wish magic everytime we see them on the Ice Crown.

      Based and saved. Golbetty's endgame is still playing out.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        so is this going to lead up to an eventual reboot of the franchise? I wouldnt be surprised if CN execs would want to remake AT like they have done with other series' before

  54. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're probably dead

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, most likely Farm Finn just went back and that's why Jay has no issue moving to another universe, since he wouldn't let his siblings behind alone.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not Bonnie though

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't Finn get his brain spiked by Scarab?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spiked twice

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Property of Destiny Gang

      Not Bonnie though

      This is what she disassociates to when taking on her 60th destiny initiate.

  55. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simon should have put the crown INSIDE his head.

  56. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Simon goes nuts one day because of a crown
    >Through time frickery he contacts her from the future to apologize and help her move on
    >no lmao ill go to the future with you
    >She spends every moment in the future betraying anyone and everyone to gain more power to cure Simon
    >Gains the power of one of the most powerful wizards in the world
    >Also gains its memories to know there's a god of chaos that fricks everything irreparably even for Prismo's wish (this also means she knew about Prismo)
    >Has an epiphany telling her to move on from Simon and live her life
    >"lmao frick that. Hey Magic Man let's summon that god of chaos haha"
    >"uh, the god of chaos is gonna destroy existence as we know it. Who woulda thunk"
    >Coincidentally end up in the stomach of the chaos god and have a chance to use the wish granting crown
    >Use it to merge with chaos god and make it frick off leaving Simon cured (first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup)
    >Years later depressed Simon wants to use the crown to revive Fionna's world and find some purpose in life
    >"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
    >"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >(first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup)
      How is Simon going crazy her fault? He put on the crown for a laugh remember?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the part that just pissed me off. Simon has to move on and live but Betty is allowed to do whatever she wants

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Simon was depressed and betty wasn't. If simon wasn't so mentally fragile he could of made something of himself without this whole wacky adventure.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did the years of feminist homosexual shit that took over the show not clue you in to how these writers’ minds operate? Betty is a free spirit, bigot, free from accountability. She can do no wrong and even when she was doing wrong it was Simon’s fault for not having a proper handle on his women.
        The writers are correct about Simon but not for the reasons they have in their head.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"
      Simon was just a dumb inconsiderate manchild who should just be happy for the sake of it even though his life sucks

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Simon was just a dumb inconsiderate manchild
        Why did this need to be retconned in? Why couldn’t they both have just been crazies on equal footing?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          They were, Betty is literally called "obsessed with him" people here are just ignoring that part.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Betty is literally called "obsessed with him
            Yeah and they use that to say Simon ignored her needs

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              They say he should have notice. Feeding her obsession without checking them out is what took them on that route, but she say that even than she doesn't regret he choices. There was probably a middle point and a better route, but that's way behind them and they need to move on.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                They outright say Simon was an inconsiderate manchild and his relationship with betty was one sided obsession which doesn't make any sense.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Point me to the part in the episode where they "Outright say" that. Because I can guarantee you that you wont find it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The au jake calls him a child (for his mindset not body) and the game meant to be a parallel for their relationshit says he basically ignored betty or didn't pay enough attention to her (somehow). They have simon apologize for being inconsiderate and not appreciating her sacrifice. Even if betty says it's fine the show already dismisses her love as a weirdos one sided obsessions.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holly frick you're just dumb

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You've just been throwing insults at everyone who has a different opinion. stop seething and speak english

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The au jake calls him a child
                That’s not an AU Jake, that’s Beth. She’s Jake’s descendant 1000 years in the future.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's just another version of jake or a reincarnation

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is still the same universe in the future.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's still a different version of jake and the universe did change from what they showed.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are literally watching a show and then converting it into your on fanfiction in real time and applying it to the show. It's honestly impressive.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s almost explicitly what they showed though moron

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're literally coping and in denial

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She states that both of them made their choices because they couldn't live on in their memories only contemplating what could've been. She never blames him. She never calls him a manchild or a moron or says their relationship was toxic. She valued their time together even if they could've made better decisions. She had no regrets and now she's dead for good. Everything else is finncells injecting their own narratives.

                >ywn have a Betty gf

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG! the focus is on simons responsibility and fault for not noticing, not betty being a yes-man to everything

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >betty shows simon a game where everytime you choose simon its WRONG!
                Thats not what the book was implying you moron.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can play that game too, Yes it was you double moron.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No it wasn't you infinity moron plus one.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                YES it was you giga mega tetra infinity moron plus two

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m here to call you a moron too, looks like it’s 2v1 little bro. Put on your dunce cap

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Wrong
                No, it just show them how the path they made them have an impossible choice, there's no way to know if the other path was better because you can't undo the thing you did. As far as we know, the other ending may even be worse, there's no way to know that.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                youre moronic too

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >she
                She who betty or jakes reincarnation the show tried speaking through? Because bettys love for simon is considered a one sided unhealthy obsession even if neither of them recognize it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Somewhat but that wasn't the main takeaway. The main takeaway was that Betty wouldn't have it any other way and soothes Simon's guilt. Her actions, her decisions to sacrifice herself, were her own ultimately. Just as Simon could've been more attentive. It's these small idiosyncrasies you recognize after a tragic disaster separates you from your loved one, not "le toxi hetero relationship is bad." I have no idea why anons are coming to this and only this conclusion.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                what was the point of guilt tripping simon so much then

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                he let a woman make her own decisions he should be killed

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tripping simon
                Golbetty. Cannot. Talk.
                She is Azathoth. Her only method of communicating with Simon is through manipulating time and space. It's the reason he's here in the first place so she can fulfill her "keep simon safe" requisite of the wish before dying completely.

                I disagree with the twittergays saying this is all Simon's fault but I also disagree with the Cinemaphileanons saying the writers made it all his fault. I repeat - it was a depiction of a loving relationship that had flaws. Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix. Equal partners, equal responsibilities. Betty says as much and never regretted her time with Simon.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Flaws they cannot go back in time and fix
                Wish on Prismo to go back in time and fix it. Other characters in AT have timetravelled.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Other characters
                Betty herself did, and it was stupid, because time travel in most stories is stupid.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                its bettys fault. betty should have just gone to prismo, but that is more bad writing than anything.

                >timetravelled
                Prismo edits and alters universes to fit wishes. See Deadworld. Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo? Do you really think the cosmic baby fusion even realizes where it is most times? I don't think Golb can usually move to other higher order realms outside of times where he needs to exterminate them. And even then he only exterminates smaller realities like pillow universe.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                i wasnt talking about time travel i was talking about uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty.
                >only exterminates smaller realities
                says who? he was all set too eat ooo in the final.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >uniceing simon. she didnt need to become golbetty.
                I don't follow what you mean.
                >he was all set too eat ooo in the final.
                Yes, a smaller reality. Compared to Scarab waiting in Orbo's room or Prismo's Time Room, which is outside of time and space.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't follow
                she could have gone to prismo and wished for ice king to go back to being simon, or wished for simon to lose the madness al la winter king.
                >outside of time and space.
                didnt the show say gold would eat everything one day? based on how scarab reacts to golbetty, and prismo not being able to bring back margels, i think its fair to say everything means everything.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                See my original comment:
                >Also, do you think Golbetty has the same sapience as Prismo?
                Do you think Golbetty can even say anything in the state she is in?
                >gold would eat everything one day
                Yes and the universe will eventually reset. Still don't see your point? It's not killing everything immediately and at best it shows up to lesser realities like Ooo and pillow universe. It has not shown up to eat Prismo's Time Room or Orbo's realm or Cosmic Time Owl's nest.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                you cannot be this stupid. i dont believe it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No rebuttal. Okay so you agree with me Golbetty cannot speak the way we do as an eldritch deity. And that the deity is not all there in the head to make conscious decisions.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                its bettys fault. betty should have just gone to prismo, but that is more bad writing than anything.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >just gone to prismo
                Going to prismo is really hard though, I mean could you even imagine what Wyatt had to do to get to Prismo?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a symbolic and a practical result of a sacrifice. Sure you can say Betty's sacrifice to give Simon a new lease on life was beautiful but in practical terms she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
                The folly of self-sacrifice is you don't get to see the consequences of your actions in the world and people you leave behind. The world has to move on and the notion of someone dying to protect someone else is noble and good and all that in a story with an ending but after that people still have to continue living and the bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.

                Simon wanted to do the same to Fionna and Cake. But at least they could actually build their lives because they did have a whole world to live in. Simon didn't

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
                Monkey's Paw is a part of wish magick. Also, I doubt she had full control over the Golb aspect. More like she was coming in and out from a waking nightmare to change little things here and there.
                >bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.
                Guilt is, after all, the ultimate expression of love. At least in this context. Even when your yaldabaoth gf doesn't want you to feel guilt, sorrow, and loss.
                >Simon didn't
                Depression clouds judgement. In the end, he was blown back to Ooo by Betty. It's reminiscent of how Fionna blew on the dandelion and the magic one later in the finale. It's her last wish to recognize he has a world to rebuild himself in with people that love him.

                From Marceline to Finn to even peripheral characters like Root Beer Guy and T.V. enjoying his company. Astrid enjoys his company so much that she even goes on to make Casper and Nova.

                They will keep Simon safe from the madness and the sadness, the call of the Crown, by giving him meaningful interactions and self-worth.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What do you think BMO's sacrifice symbolizes in that regard then? They made a point of referencing he gave his life up to assist strangers and that it was pointless but noble in his funeral scene. One the one hand, we could look at it as a reprieval from an existence in that dark world but BMO was seemingly equally content with or without the world continuing around him during his play sessions. Was it just foreshadowing about the potential devastation of Simon's potential sacrifice returning to the Crown?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think it was mostly a way to make BMO not be stuck in a dead world after he was clearly mad beyond help. But it draws a parallel with the sacrifice theme. Although again in practical terms Simon getting the crown would definetly have turned Fionna's world magical because that's what it was originally.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >after he was clearly mad beyond help
                BMO seemed to be acting normal to me.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                BMO was fine, his death was simply made to make the audience feel bad because he's the purest character in the show and his sacrifice did nothing.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what happened at all you're just a moron. Might have to rewatch the episodes again.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's literally what happened moron see

                The au jake calls him a child (for his mindset not body) and the game meant to be a parallel for their relationshit says he basically ignored betty or didn't pay enough attention to her (somehow). They have simon apologize for being inconsiderate and not appreciating her sacrifice. Even if betty says it's fine the show already dismisses her love as a weirdos one sided obsessions.

                and watch the scenes again slower

                Holly frick you're just dumb

                >Holly
                When you're done coping end your life

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Zero media literacy.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                All they say is that he was blind to it, Casper has a fricking blindfold for frick sake

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"We made our choices"

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              When you have an autismo obsessing over sonic. You don't feed them fricking more sonic.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you do, if you want something then you get more of it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't have kids anon.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >When you have an autismo obsessing over sonic. You don't feed them fricking more sonic.
                Tell that to Doctor Eggman

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      A "daughter" that didn't even care that much about him. Seriously I hate Marceline for not showing up. That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Marcy is now PB's accesory. They can't be appart. Love won, chud

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That therapy he has with Minerva should have been him telling Marcy the truth.
        Marceline was to busy having fun with PB somewhere else, its not her responsibility to help Simon after she has already done so much for him.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >after she has already done so much for him
          Yeah so many things she did for him like..... uh...
          Oh and let's conveniently forget that he TOOK CARE OF HER AS A CHILD FOR YEARS AFTER WORLD WAR III

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            She helped PB fix his crown and made her call him Simon rather then the ice king.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              WOW, so literally nothing. Noted.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >she did so much for simon
              >mentions ice king shit

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Simon is the ice king, just because he put on a magic crown does not make you Simon.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >made her call him Simon rather then the ice king
              oh how considerate of PB not to act like a c**t, must be a huge sacrifice

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >oh how considerate of PB not to act like a c**t, must be a huge sacrifice
                For her, yes it is.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        In the beginning it was understandable because the whole point was that he was wanting to feel needed and to have a purpose, and making his daughter worry would have the exact opposite effect. He had purpose after his world ended because he dried her tears and made her laugh, and lost that purpose when he added to her tears and made her frown. Telling her all this shit would end the laughter she’s enjoying with Bonnie, and replace it with a frown. She’d want to help, but there’s really nothing she could do because she’s not a little girl that needs his help anymore.

        But you’d think he’d want to catch her up on events. Probably doesn’t feel like she should know about her evil self at least. And probably doesn’t want to explain his reasons for how he got into all that mess, which would make her worry.

        There’s no reason to believe she doesn’t visit for tea and strawberries from time to time, but he’s the first one that wouldn’t want to distract from “young” people’s passion, he knows how it is. Hanging out with an old man all the time to do.. what, exactly? How can a teen vampire and an old archaeologist have fun together? What interests do they share?
        Do you hang out with your parent often, aside from coffee and catching up? If you do, it’s likely because you share hobbies. I can’t see Marcy and Simon enjoying the same activities. Look how it went when Finn tried to involve Simon in his interests.
        And the ending montage is supposed to be about him finding value in himself, not needing someone else.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah my insane grief and depression led me to a desperate effort to summon my demon god wife which led me meeting a sad girl who I went on a quest to to throw myself away into dementia and madness again for. it’s all good now though I worked it out. I think.
          yeah I’d need some time before I started sharing that with loved ones too

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >literally patched things up with Bubblegum
      >no actually he’s a man so he should be punished

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >literally patched things up with Bubblegum
        No, he was trying to betray her once again. But nice try maybe you'll get it next time.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Was he? He had that dum dum juice on him before he got his epiphany

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          He literally didn’t have a chance to disarm himself.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      simon did nothing wrong, frick the writers, why must every sweet relationship be Le toxic metaphor. the implication back then was that they were the perfect happy couple before the ice crown

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        >Simon goes nuts one day because of a crown
        >Through time frickery he contacts her from the future to apologize and help her move on
        >no lmao ill go to the future with you
        >She spends every moment in the future betraying anyone and everyone to gain more power to cure Simon
        >Gains the power of one of the most powerful wizards in the world
        >Also gains its memories to know there's a god of chaos that fricks everything irreparably even for Prismo's wish (this also means she knew about Prismo)
        >Has an epiphany telling her to move on from Simon and live her life
        >"lmao frick that. Hey Magic Man let's summon that god of chaos haha"
        >"uh, the god of chaos is gonna destroy existence as we know it. Who woulda thunk"
        >Coincidentally end up in the stomach of the chaos god and have a chance to use the wish granting crown
        >Use it to merge with chaos god and make it frick off leaving Simon cured (first good think she did in the story: fixing her frickup)
        >Years later depressed Simon wants to use the crown to revive Fionna's world and find some purpose in life
        >"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
        >"You're right Betty. It was my toxic masculinity all along that didn't allow me to be happy. I'll go back to that world where I have one daugther figure and zero real friends and be happy now :>"

        >he contacts her and says he forgives her for leaving him ages ago
        >then she jumps through
        >She spends every moment in the future alone and scared with no humans or sense of familiarity. She had nothing in this new environment due to her rash actions.
        >Comparably, Simon knew the wizards, Finn & Jake, Marceline, Bubblegum, etc. He already had a support network
        >only knows Simon and desperately attempts to restore him
        >not unlike Ice King obsessing over Princesses as cope for Betty
        >Patience literally ruined Ice King and Madness Betty's fledgling relationship for her own gain
        >when Golb is summoned and swallows them, she pushes finn and Simon away to self-sacrifice
        >tries multiple wish queries, all fail
        >uses it with the EXPLICIT STATEMENT: "I wish for the power to keep Simon safe" and the wish crown interpreted this as combining with Yaldabaoth
        >as Golb is incapable of human speech
        >practically a vegetable or cosmic level IK insanity due to becoming one with Azathoth the blind idiot god
        >notices her paramour attempting to crown himself again. Doesn't know full context of it, attempts to stop it
        >fails repeatedly because Simon is blinded by his love for her and his desire to feel important
        >finally summons her former love to say goodbye
        >literally can't speak
        >has to use metaphors and proxies to communicate via time frickery
        >finally mind-merges with him and shares a wholesome moment with them in a critical memory
        >doesn't blame him, even when he blames himself, and takes responsibility for her inadequacies expressing herself during their time together
        >knows she can never see him again, in life or death, as the fusion is too complete and the golb side will soon destroy her mind, agency, and soul

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I love you anon.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I just don't get why the story went over people's heads and anons feel like the writers have it out for Simon.

            Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn. Simon's memories of being Ice King are a haze of nonsense Ice King might as well be another person.

            >Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn.

            >Bella Noche cancels out all magic
            >Simon is restored
            >first thing he does is drop to his knees and contemplate on what happened
            >second thing he does is recognize Marceline's lousy ex and did the fatherly thing of punching him and taking his flying carpet as a mount
            >other instances show he retained a lot of knowledge from his time as IK even if it was just a haze
            >PB naturally comes along and helps as she's connected to Finn and Marcy
            >never freaked out at the prospect of a talking dog, didn't blink at a city of wizards, etc.
            He's far more accustomed to this world than Betty was.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Simon literally knows no one in Ooo other than Marceline and Finn. Simon's memories of being Ice King are a haze of nonsense Ice King might as well be another person.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          why did she tell the casper and nova story for, also, why isn't simon allowed to choose to put on the crown

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >why isn't simon allowed to choose to put on the crown
            Keep Simon safe

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              so shes allowed to make sacrifices while simon doesnt

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              so shes allowed to make sacrifices while simon doesnt

              Yes

              Betty is allowed to make sacrifices but Simon isn't allowed to. He needs to be fully aware of his miserable life, but oh wait see he's not miserable anymore because muh therapy and gender bent versions of characters that already existed when he was miserable.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                betty stopped him from using the crown to show him "the truth" with casper & nova and how fionna & cake can be saved without resorting to the crown's insanity. the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the second time she didn't intervene, simon threw it away of his own accord because he understood
                Yeah he understood he was an inconsiderate child who didn't appreciate betty enough and should just be happy in his loneliness.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
                I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
                Even ignoring the GOLB stuff, she's had 10-20 years to meditate on their relationship and realized it was nice but not what she wanted in the future.
                No matter how dedicated Simon was, if Betty doesn't want to date Simon, it IS selfish for him to force it on her.
                Simon just has to move on and find someone else who isn't just a memory. (And even if he went back in time and fixed things with a previous Betty, it still wouldn't be his Betty, since she's outside of regular space-time, so it's just a less-healthy version of moving on)

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Betty never implied Simon had to be alone, just that she wasn't coming along.
                This show makes it seem like a one sided obsession when simon has also stayed in love with her all this time. He was rightfully miserable without her but now he's fine with it because the hack writing demands it. She did not do him a favor by leaving him alone to think of her as an abomination in a place he doesn't fit in. Betty can force her bullshit on simon while the show simultaneously pretends he's at fault. It's shit.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She left him there, sure, but everything else was his own fault.
                He chose to research magic.
                He picked the expedition for the crown (and seemingly all their expeditions.)
                He put the Ice Crown on (to impress Betty as a joke.)
                He used the ice magic to survive the apocalypse.
                He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.

                Now, Betty made the choice of becoming GOLBETTY, but she never implied that was Simon's fault (or that it was even a bad thing.) But there were plenty of points that Simon's decisions should have clearly destroyed their relationship (as it did in other timelines, like Winter King not caring about Betty or Simon choosing to die like in Farm World.) Their relationship was never a guarantee.
                It was shitty that for her to just leave without explaining anything to Simon, but changing reality on the whole for Simon to understand doesn't seem to mesh with cosmic bureaucracy GOLB and the other entities seem to function on.
                Now Simon gets to continue on living in a world built from his decisions and understands that power. And we've already had episodes focus on how Betty's enabling of Simon was harmful to her but done out of love, so it's not like it's saying Simon is solely to blame. Sometimes relationships just don't work out but people think love is enough to keep it together, but it's not.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He opened up a portal through time to take Betty to the future.
                I don't think he actually intended for that to happen

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're right, that wasn't his intent (and it was Betty's choice to jump through it) but he still did open the portal for selfish reasons (and even asked Marceline to sacrifice a meaningful memento to do so.)
                He actually wanted her to stay, and it was a good think she did't, because it kept him alive.
                But, that's the point of Casper and Nova. It's not saying Simon is wrong for making the decisions he did, but that he can't be annoyed there's only one destination when he's repeatedly chosen a single-path. It's not even out of malice, as seen by him willingly embracing Betty's new ideas on the expeditions, but that he's simply to goal-focused. It could be even argued that finding Betty (after returning to Simon) wasn't just about his love for her, but he felt that by finding her this would lead to fulfillment in his current life, similar in to The Lich succeeding in the genocide of his universe and feeling unfulfilled.

                She jumped through a portal that was only supposed to be a way of messaging her, kept pursuing him and insisted on getting him out of his crown again only to leave him out of place and much more miserable in a world he had gotten used to. Simon gets to continue living on in the same situation shown as shitty for him in the first episode. Betty did make simons life worse with her self righteous sacrifice and the ending doesn't really change what was wrong it just says simon should get over it.

                As seen in the other realities, many Simons don't end up with their Betty. GOLBETTY didn't force Simon to live in a future dystopia, as seen by the other Simons. It's not destiny, but Simon's reality has to play out like it was intended. The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems, but she never promised to and it's not her fault that Simon is stuck in the magic future. Simon is trying to force her to fix things for him, and that is a little selfish. But, it's a messy situation.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The only thing GOLBETTY didn't do was resolve Simon's current problems
                To be fair she did solve the whole universe in his head problem by canonizing it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Betty brought him out of being ice king and pursued him after all these years only to leave him alone AND guilty over her fate. Simon didn't bring her through that portal to oo like you tried saying. Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm saying it was Simon's choice to open the Portal to Ooo. He didn't WANT Betty to come through, but she thought it was in his best interest so did it (another thing she did for Simon, regardless of what it meant for her, which was an issue she admitted she had)
                It's fair that Simon felt guilty and this was something bad GOLBETTY did to him, but his quest wasn't about saving her but to be with her (whether she wasnted to be or not), so it was tainted from the start. And if Betty died in the future, he would have just felt guilty about opening the portal. Just as while he thought she died in the past, he felt guilty about becoming Ice King. Simon just has a guilt complex from the choices he makes.
                And Betty was just trying to cure Simon (something he had asked for) not force it on him.
                And the final thing that fixed him was GOLB, and while he was summoned by Betty, she didn't know how it would fix Simon.
                Simon wanted to be normal and in his moments of lucidity as the Ice King lamented for it and even attempted it.
                She didn't force any of this on him, just helped him achieve his goal (in a round about way) and that made him unhappy.
                Now he thinks his only goal at happiness is to have her and she's not interested.

                [...]
                >Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself
                In that future dystopia. It's absolutely bettys fault simon is stuck in a worse situation in an environment he no longer fits into. She didn't put him in oo but she brought herself there and did make things worse for simon.

                Without her jumping into the future, Simon would have died. Are you saying it would have been better for Simon to jump into the past and just die there? For Betty to live a lonely life in the modern era wracked by guilt she couldn't save Simon, the man who warped time to be with her?

                I WANT Simon and Betty to be happy together, but from a realistic perspective, if someone doesn't want to date someone they shouldn't feel obligated to be with them or it isn't really love keeping you together.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                But Betty did force simon while your dumb ass was saying earlier "he shouldn't force anything on her and move on like she did". Betty is a dumb hypocrite, simon did not bring her into oo, and yes simon would be better off dead than with an insane woman like this. Genuinely nobody really wants the "love" betty offers. Frick that ugly abomination.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, so your complaints have nothing to do with the show itself and you're just looking to complain about women.
                She didn't force anything on Simon. She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon (who thought he was about to die anyway so it didn't matter; he just thought Betty was safer in the past) and then she helped him to do the thing he was already trying to do.
                The only thing she didn't do was love him back in the same way he did, but there's nothing moralely wrong with that.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She literally forced simon out of being ice king only to fuse herself to golb anyway. Again even though past simon isn't built for oo and he got used to being ice king. Yes I did watch the show you dumb b***h.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >She chose to come to the future against his wishes but that's not forcing anything on Simon
                She literally forced herself into oo and onto simon. How can you be this much of a betty simp.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
                What's your point?
                They both made bad choices that hurt themselves to enable the relationship and in their attempts to help each other.
                There was a whole fricking episode about how Betty, wrongfully, put Simon first a lot of the time.
                We're seeing Simon trying to stop Betty from moving on and being taught why it's in their best interest to move on. Simon's not even seen as the bad guy, just as part of the reason their relationship didn't become what Simon had wanted it to be.

                >She can't decide that the effort was pointless
                She can randomly but it makes no sense and she did hurt simon worse than he was.
                >What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King?
                She literally does force him back into simon and this show just showed it's not what he really wanted. Old regular human simon doesn't fit in oo.

                You are being deliberate obtuse. She CANNOT FORCE SOMETHING ONTO HIM IF HE IS ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT SAME GOAL. Yeah, it sucks he's an old man stuck in the magic future but he'd be in the EXACT SAME FRICKING BOAT without Betty, as seen from the other fricking timelines you ignorant twat.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And if she hadn't, Simon would have died.
                That's not a guarantee and even if he did so what? People don't move on from a lot less than what simon experienced, and betty didn't even die just turned herself into a freak while simon is alone now out of place in oo thinking of this.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Betty brought him out of being ice king and pursued him after all these years only to leave him alone AND guilty over her fate. Simon didn't bring her through that portal to oo like you tried saying. Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself.

                >Betty forced simon to live as a normal past version of himself
                In that future dystopia. It's absolutely bettys fault simon is stuck in a worse situation in an environment he no longer fits into. She didn't put him in oo but she brought herself there and did make things worse for simon.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                If Betty doesn’t come to future Ooo Simon croaks right there and maybe the rest of the magic users do too

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not really since more convincing ass pulls are possible. Also simon being put out of his misery is STILL better than being forced into a worse situation by a crazy b***h who swears she loves him.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It was fine for Betty to come to Ooo. She fricked up by not accepting IK and being happy with him(or even just letting go of the relationship and finding something else to do).
                This was all Patience's fault though, if Betty didn't get frozen she would've had a heartwarming bonding moment with IK and maybe not want to get rid of him.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She jumped through a portal that was only supposed to be a way of messaging her, kept pursuing him and insisted on getting him out of his crown again only to leave him out of place and much more miserable in a world he had gotten used to. Simon gets to continue living on in the same situation shown as shitty for him in the first episode. Betty did make simons life worse with her self righteous sacrifice and the ending doesn't really change what was wrong it just says simon should get over it.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not saying it's not unsatisfying, but why is it wrong that Betty moved on and just doesn't want to date Simon?
                After everything she did previously to be with him yes it's wrong and makes no sense.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                She can't decide that the effort was pointless? Have you never put effort into a relationship only to realize it wasn't worth it after the fact? People grow apart, Anon. Nobody should be forced to be with anyone else if they chose not to be. And it's not like she devalued Simon or tried to hurt him. We've seen plenty of toxic relationships on this show.
                She just moved on and tried to help him learn to do the same.

                She literally forced simon out of being ice king only to fuse herself to golb anyway. Again even though past simon isn't built for oo and he got used to being ice king. Yes I did watch the show you dumb b***h.

                What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >She can't decide that the effort was pointless
                She can randomly but it makes no sense and she did hurt simon worse than he was.
                >What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King?
                She literally does force him back into simon and this show just showed it's not what he really wanted. Old regular human simon doesn't fit in oo.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What do you mean she forced Simon not to be Ice King? SIMON LITERALLY WANTED THAT. EVERYBODY WANTED THAT. SIMON. BETTY. FINN. MARCELINE. THE FANS. EVERYONE WANTED HIM CURED AND A GOOD PART OF THE SHOW WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. How did she FORCE this on him when it's something HE WANTED.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That was after the fact, and you know it you moron.
                He was in a transitional phase trying to cope with being an old man in the future which he doesn't understand when Ice King was easier and he's trying to revert to that, which he even says is not healthy.
                If he managed to free himself from the Crown without Betty, it'd be the SAME fricking outcome.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is healthy to you b***h? Again betty turned herself into golb and that's seen as a heckin virtuous sacrifice. Simon clearly got used to being ice king and even if it wasn't perfect they show he was better off. But she not only forces him into normal simon but forces him to stay that way while making him live with the worse reality she made. Betty would have even been better dead than golb.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I give up. You refuse to accept that Simon (as Ice King) wanted to return to normal and instead it HAS to be Betty that did it to him.
                You HAVE to make Betty the villain in your mind and refuse to listen to any logic why they're both at fault.
                Enjoy your day, because you're brain dead and clearly aren't going to make it much longer into the evening.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I didnt want Ice King to become Simon
                The part of him his long gone.
                Ice King was receiving his own character development
                I think all that needed to happen was for him to be able to remember his past.
                I think people shouldn't get stuck chasing what once was but they shouldn't forget it and run away from it either
                We should've gotten a Simon King. Or Icemon. Something like that but not evil like the Winter King.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why does he have a marceline doll

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because just like in the Fionna and cake series, Marceline doesn't visit him.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely insane she didn't come to see him in the finale
                I was sure it'd happen to follow up on the scene where they didn't get to talk in the 2nd episode

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a whole episode about him trying to talk to Betty one last time and him saying he doesn't want to go back to being the Ice King

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ice king didn't want to become Simon, but who cares what the Ice king wants right?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                ICE KING NEVER EXISTED. HE WAS A DELUSION PUT UPON SIMON. HE'S NOT REAL.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ice king is as real as Simon was and vice versa.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was a bad Idea, Simon felt like shit and tought she should do for Fionna what Betty did for him, the entire ending is Betty telling him not to and that she doesn't regret anything she ever did with and for him.
            They made mistakes, but there's no changing them, Simon did the right thing by learning to move on, from Betty and the Crown.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You know, the title of Azatom is because he is sleeping and is unaware of the world, not because he is a literal blind and idiot, because the moment he wakes up and realizes shit is going down he is going to destroy the world. Golb is aware of shit, he is just more akin to an traditional actual god than the frat dudes AT normally likes to portray as cosmic entities because is funnier.

          And don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value, is cringe, is just a serie of books with a cool, but now overdone, thematic and themes.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt they were going for a 1-for-1 interpretation. Another anon brought up another potential source of inspiration Mana-Yood-Sushai who slumbers after creating smaller gods and was reworked as the herald of Azathoth. But that's neither here nor there; I only use this as an example of AT being a melting pot of various concepts.

            >don't threat that fanfic like it has any real metaphysical value

            Do you mean the digital adventure-book Astrid makes? Casper and Nova?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              I more worried about your interpretation than the showrunners. Concepts of life and death and creation and destruction are nothing new really, you can find a ton of those in most cultures. But some are better than others and is probably best to keep the gene pool clean of moronation.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's fair. It all depends on story execution and general reception to it. Every story is a reaction to something in the past, and on and on it goes.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Omg Simon you're so fricking toxic. Don't you see all I've sacrificed so you can live a shitty life alone in a world you don't fit in, How dare you be sad you piece of shit get outta here. Also that romantic story of how we ended up together was where you fricked my life up :). But I'm so noble that I still love you teehee"
      Why did it have to be like this. This is the only part that is truly upsetting. 'Oh I moved on' DAMN YOU WOMAN YOU'RE A GOD!!

  57. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    iirc Muto posted a pic of Cosmic Owl watching Fionna and Cake
    was this used in ep 10 or not?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He never did posted anything then deleted, it was edited and fake.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. Promo stuff sometimes shows other events happening beyond the ep

  58. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    FERN WON
    HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would the flame princess and fern have actual chemistry in the original universe had fern not died?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        they're both violent so yeah probably

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well FP was originally into the idea of 'incompatible lovers' when she thought Finn was a water elemental.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fionna has Hunter so it's okay 🙂

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hunter is a spic
        Is HW a Hispanic too?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Probably maybe, unlike with black people, I've no problems with spics, so it's fine by me.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Finally

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The eco terrorist will die of poisoning after overdosing on magic shrooms.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fionna has Hunter so it's okay 🙂

      How awkward would a double date be?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hi Fionna I'm now dating this girl who looks like you but better

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I bet Fernna smells better than Fionna too.

  59. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    How selfish does simon have to be to put back the crown on after Betty's sacrifice? Like right in front of her. Like wtf

  60. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick was the ending? Simon didn't seem like a selfish butthole at all until they portrayed him that way in episode 10. He didn't ask Betty to sacrifice herself. She became Golb of her own free will.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      God you guys are so fricking stupid

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day. You’re not smarter for enjoying this slop.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you purely dislike it why are you even subjecting yourself to these threads?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because I want to vocalize how shit this finale was

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's not about enjoying it, it's about understanding what they were portraying.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >slop
          moron

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            ???

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              AT is basically a cult classic at this point, to many it might seem just your run of the mill child's cartoon but despite being bad at it has one of the best well panned lore out of many franchises currently out there

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay? This finale is still slop

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm betting that you hate how they didn't just turn the f&c verse into its magical self again
                Good luck with that though, that's basically the norm in media nowadays and despite being a lame troupe it'll be reused again and again

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                The “escapism bad, moving on is good” plot is trash and I’m tired of it. Who is the person that needs to be told from 30 different places this exact same message?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't portray him that way, you're just moronic and can't comprehend basic shit even if its told directly into your face.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He wasnt. Both of them were too obsessed and fricked up.

      If its any consolation, Simon going the proverbial "Nova" route probably would have just led to Vampire World granted thats not a certainty.

  61. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reddit HATES the finale lol

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's okay, I hate it a bit too.

  62. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I preferred when he was just a personification of a nuke. "The last scholar of GOLB" should have been a completely different character.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn the Lich used to have a Posse? what happened to those guys.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's one of those things they can't retcon explain in their new lore so they just ignore them

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"The last scholar of GOLB"
      Should of been Prismo

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did Prismo ever escape his prison the Scarab put him into?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, he did it in the final episode. It wasn't even subtle and he played a big part, how did you miss that?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, there's like three scenes of him literally punching his way out of it

  63. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he's a janitor
    >in a wish-granting cube
    >he does it for freedom
    >he takes his job very seriously

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do find it funny that this guy was compared to a Janny after his first few appearances and his end fate was to literally become Prismo's janitor.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least they both have company now

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        And now scrabby gets to be at the parties

  64. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Golbetty is saving up countless Lich-Tetris Pieces to build something

    Something new, unfathomable even.

  65. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ending was just baby's first Charlie Kaufman resolution. It was pretty much just The Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      YES eternal sunshine of the spotless mind really really really sings in the same tune as betty and simon's relationship

      i was saying this just before the last episodes released (was making a playlist about simon and betty and a song from the movie shuffled in and took me by surprise)

  66. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do you think Marceline reacted when Shermy and Beth told them about the recent incident where the former got possessed by someone called Simon Petrikov?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably started crying

  67. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the lich is a pathetic simp
    >because
    >because he just is ok

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He follow a path he though it wold give him satisfaction but didn't, many such cases.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He wasn't that pathetic. He was interesting and oddly humanised in his final moments. If the Lich's evil goals were shown to ultimately make him happy it would betray classic Christian morality. Having him never find that satisfaction and question his purpose to the very end after living a life of evil is weirdly a great way for him to go out. A pure evil existance can never be fulfilling, because Evil can only destroy.

  68. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can we all just agree the adventure time writers are shit story tellers?

  69. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    ALL STRAIGHT MEN ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND MUST ALWAYS BE PUNISHED FOR DARING TO EXIST. ONLY GAYS, LESBIANS AND MIXED RACED COUPLES (BLACK MAN WHITE WOMAN COMBO) ARE ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gay men can be wrong and miserable too, you're proof of that.

  70. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The existence of this Fionna and Cake special was a complete mistake...

  71. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Every anime season i check out all the fantasy anime that comes out for at least 1 episode
    >first fantasy anime comes out, it looks ok but i can't stop thinking about adventure time so im not paying attention at all

    The world of Ooo is just so much better and alive, with way better adventures, i can't blame prismo for copying it, i should get back into worldbuilding autism

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate the plotlines but the world really does tickle the mind and make me want to start doing some writing

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Prismo was 10/10 character

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Prismo is so cute

  72. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ending has Fionna grow into a giantess
    >"This is my top fantasy!"
    Sizechads, we are so fricking back

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Were we ever gone?

  73. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you happy Fionna?
    All this...
    For you.....

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is there a dead hotdog knight on that calendar?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It symbolizes the one Fionna killed

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's hotdog knight #7

          Why the frick do I not remember Fionna killing a hotdog knight?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was Cake

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was Cake, she touched him and he turned into an ordinary hotdog.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's hotdog knight #7

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because cake “killed” one of the hotdog knights in episode 1 or 2 by turning it into a normal hotdog

  74. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really loved the way Scarab moved

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish the scarab moved faster and more methodical actually. I feel like there was to much time in the final fight where he is just standing around and not actually trying to kill Fionna and cake. I mean I understand it was because the story needed Fionna and cake to survive but I just wish they found a way to do it without holding back the scarab.

  75. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the complains about the finale are moronic, the only valid as to why its suck its because GOLBetty didn't vore Simon. Even Simon wanted to be vored, why'd they punish him like this?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I bet betty was already willing to let simon inside Golb but backed off from it after learning that he still has around twenty more years to be around and have so much to live for. Who knows, maybe when he finally dies golb can merge his soul on to her.
      honestly the ending was half baked, they could've parted by telling simon that she still loves him but she doesnt agree on trying to risk his life just to save other people since despite being a force of nature golb still has a faint memory of betty inside it. Maybe he could've given her a parting kiss and told her to hold out just a bit more idk. The ending is fine in all, but you couldn't just not argue that its isn't pretty lacking. Telling to move on is basically useless since he has spent literally almost a decade in ooo and just a little more than a decade he's basically going to perish anyway

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The ending is the hottest fricking garbage. It's just simon apologizing for no reason and then getting over his depression when not much changed.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Media literacy truly is dead.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ur lacking muh media literacy because you didn't interpret it how I wanted
            Your brain cells are dead

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you didn’t like this shit ending? you’re obviously moronic
            have a nice day

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU!? YOU ARE A M-O-R-O-N!

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous
          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ctrl+F media literacy
            >4 results
            you type like an underage girl from twitter

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Simon deserved better

          Media literacy truly is dead.

          Geez its a cartoon of course its always open to a lot of interpretations not a news article or an opinion piece.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >its always open to a lot of interpretations
            Interpretations that are garbage and so far to what the show was trying to convey. Not the same Anon but seeing those replies makes me wonder if we watched the same thing like a lot of the complains (specially the ones involving Simon and Betty deal) aren’t what actually happened at all and it’s just misunderstanding everything shown

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >garbage
              kek, but shit takes are still takes and they can be picked up and believed by many regardless

  76. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, I'll take the Fionn and Hunter scraps at least, anyone else in copium?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, why ELSE would they suddenly make him relevant and have Fionna with him at the very end?

  77. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    brainlet here what the frick was going on with golbetty after she blew simon away

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe separating herself from Golb and dying or fully being one with Golb. Presumably she has now moved on from her obsession with Simon and now that she made sure he’ll be ok without her, she no longer feels the compulsion to “keep Simon safe”

  78. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leave jay's surviving kin to me

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"ah yes, 4 new tight dicky and bussy for the wallhole"
      >"trauma john you get first dibs on that blond girl"

  79. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Cosmic tea guy survives
    Uh what about the other cosmic entities?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Died.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Big missed opportunity to have Martin be in one of the eggs. Upon getting out he looks around and just immediately fricks off again into the space between dimensions

  80. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fionna is going to get with Simon in season 2 after they try long distance dating over the phone.

  81. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    so, how many loose ends are there still?
    >fionna and cake nullifying magic
    >glitchy prismo
    >whats with the fricking bear god damn it
    what else

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The apple at the end

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The apple to me feels like it's representing Simon and Betty and it has the same type of bow like Golbetty

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      IT WAS JUST A BEAR, THERE ARE ANIMALS IN THE WOODS ANON!

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >whats with the fricking bear god damn it
        ANON IT WAS JUST A FRICKING BEAR

        i dont believe it!!!!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the same butterfly that landed on Simon's face in the finale too

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >whats with the fricking bear god damn it
        ANON IT WAS JUST A FRICKING BEAR

        >It was just a [headcanon]

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whats with the fricking bear god damn it
      ANON IT WAS JUST A FRICKING BEAR

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna know who's gonna take care of baby Finn.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lumpy Fiona universe princess.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        can he even grow? hes from an universe where everyone and everything is baby

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          c-cheked, mega satan

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          but fionna held him so he has no magic keeping him from growing now

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ice prince dreams

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      too many to list, at least we know the linch is a simp for golb so there is that.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fionna and cake nullifying magic
      I thought Scarab spelled out that was basically an effect of them being from a "non-canon" universe

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their universe was in a constant state of not being magic, therefore they can sometimes pass thru thei non magic status to other things.
      Now that their universe is real and not bounded out by SImons mind that's not a thing anymore

  82. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick is this

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That has always been there, I assume it had something to do with a old injury billy got.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        But Lich only used Billy's skin, not his entire body

  83. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I vguess it really was a mere flesh wound

  84. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It just occurred to me that the weeds symbolize the imperfections of the universe, and that Hunter's whole speech from the first episode was about accepting them, which Fionna obviously didn't until the very end, to the point where she's literally planting them along with Hunter.
    Is that right? Am I interpreting this correctly?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I forgot a dandelion is a weed

  85. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    when simon is touching various dimensions we don't see puhoy world...

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thats because it was a dream sequence that wasn't real, weird that he dreamt of golb though.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m pretty sure that’s because GOLB was on his way to eat it when Finn left.

        >Finn's happiest ending got ate by Golb

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it was a crossover
          >Prismo would’ve been notified
          >Prismo would’ve given the kill order

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m pretty sure that’s because GOLB was on his way to eat it when Finn left.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was all on finn's head

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It was just a dream bro
        >a few episodes later you get an entire rundown on the multiverse from booko and how different worlds can become linked
        Y’all are some stupid mother frickers

  86. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The finale was good but they missed a chance to be bombastic and generate future buzz, Bubbline kiss generated crazy hype for the OG finale and something like that was missing here

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bubbline kiss generated crazy hype for the OG finale
      That’s not how I remember it

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        This spike right here is entirely due to all the articles about "gaysbians real on CN??", do you think the people that dropped the show would've cared if not for the kiss?

        Anon, the buzz around a show pulling stunts is not an indicator of quality.
        You'd sacrifice quality of product just to have people's focus on it?

        No but they did it before so that integrity ship sailed, and they can try to make them quality stunts if they want to, nothing's preventing them from doing that, I'd say the Lich and Prismo/Farmworld were the original fanfare finales that helped put the show on the map

        I hate hypegays so much

        just shut the frick up not everything needs to be garbage that gets reactions on social media from subhumans

        If that's what it takes to get renewed, then yes

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do you think the people that dropped the show would've cared if not for the kiss?
          It was literally the series finale

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        But Finn remembers very well

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the buzz around a show pulling stunts is not an indicator of quality.
      You'd sacrifice quality of product just to have people's focus on it?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finn and Fionna kiss could've done it, selfcest is the new LGBT

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate hypegays so much

      just shut the frick up not everything needs to be garbage that gets reactions on social media from subhumans

  87. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure how else the Lich's story should have ended. It's a properly haunting conclusion for an avatar of cosmic horror to succeed in killing all life and then just end up as another empty obelisk revolving around the sky of their uncaring patron. I mean, what else is there for an embodiment of death in a world where everything's already dead?

  88. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    But how is Fionna going to live in her normie world now?
    She lost her house, her job and sure as hell ain't getting her deposit back.

  89. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ALL POTENTIAL F&C SIMON AND MARCELINE INTERACTIONS NEVER HAPPENED
    >ALL BECAUSE OF BUBBLINE (the only SCENE where they talked and ignored simon because muh heckin marcy lesbo tattoos with pb bubblegum!!!)
    God I hate this ship with a burning passion...

  90. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simon is a blind child at fault for not properly controlling his women like a man. Good message, I like it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      normies are going to slop it up and blame simon! men bad! just glancing over any comments on social media piss me off

  91. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    When is like kiss cartoon going to upload this episode, i can't watch this normally here in my region due to hbo being dumb as hell

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just torrent the episode

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://mega.nz/folder/HyQAmJZA#0K0K8_87YV4YN9SMu10olw

  92. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Died like a crying b***h like all nihilists.

  93. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people keep saying Farnworld fin is alive, we literally saw his brain get pierced twice by the Scarab

  94. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This show gave me a new fetish

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"It's my number one fantasy!

      Is she admitting she's into GTS?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can't wait for the art

  95. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. He quite literally got the ultimate reward for his servitude to GOLB. He brought oblivion to countless others, so he was rewarded with the embrace of oblivion himself.

    GOLB is essentially Leviathan from the Hellraiser franchise, right up to having a very alien understanding of how best to 'please' those who serve it.

  96. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fionna planting dying dandelions actually pissed me off
    Stupid fricking lady just blow the seeds onto the ground, they're going to die soon anyway

  97. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are we ever gonna get a Shermy and Beth show or is it gonna be stuck as parts of different specials

  98. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Geese are extinct by the time of beth and shermy...

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But Swans aren’t

  99. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do they get out of just dancing around the stuff people want to see but never getting to it, I feel like the whole show was someone circling an apple with their open mouth and never taking a bite

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      TV writers have nothing but contempt for their audience. They will do anything to spite them. Don't forget to support the strike :]

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Found the finncel.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean? Real fans wanted to see Bubbline and they were able to see it. You are just some seething CHUD from Cinemaphile. It's like Beth said: "if you're not enjoying yourself you can just stop"

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I really hate how all of Jake's descendants lost their noses.

  100. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think Scarab is hot now

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off Gary.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the human form he took in Farmworld was decently attractive.

  101. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Finn and Fionna would get along
      >Marceline and Marshall would get along
      >Bubblegum has a 50/50 chance of either getting along with Gumball, or think he's a pansy, while Gumball would think she's insane

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is what they took from you because ‘escapism bad’

  102. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fionna wore nothing but a bra and very tight short shorts for the entire series.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, have you ever been in a gym?
      Or watched any female sports that aren’t martial arts or hockey?

  103. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I did not expect to see the Pagelings again.

  104. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty cool but it seemingly came out of nowhere and wished it happened earlier in the series.

  105. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Simon get so invested in Casper and Nova's adventure? Why didn't he just kill Nova and get the crown? Is he stupid?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They really should have put more thought into the Casper and nova story to have it more clearly parallel Simon and Betty’s life.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because he liked the characters and they were basically him and Betty

  106. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any story is immediately 0/10 if it pushes gays onto the audience

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not only did they put so much focus on gays in their limited run time but it was inferior versions of the gays. So even the people who are into that got dissapointed

  107. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now that this has been settled I want adult Finn journeys

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does anyone actually want this? It wouldn't be the same without jake

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based on how they handled this it would just be 8 episodes of finn sucking wiener after his wife huntress dies. Lol at huntress fans thinking they were gonna show finn with her.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I thought finns wife was jakes daughter now?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            First of all, it was Jake's grand daughter, and second, no, you got tricked by porn.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          We get troony latino au fionna and cake huntress wizard instead. You rike it?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >8 episodes of finn sucking wiener
          I desperately need them to make this happen. I know Finn had that bi-curious phase.

  108. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like Simon Petrikov, the character that drove himself to the brink of madness to get his adoptive daughter some soup, and who spends most of the new series essentially trying to damn himself in order to save some other people he barely knows, is not really the one they should have taught a message about sacrifice.

    Also, why are they concerned about this now? Simon and Betty haven't been an actual relationship (not counting the like five seconds they spent being digested together) in over 1000 years. I feel like "Our relationship wasn't perfect" isn't really relevant to his life anymore.

    Plus, "Maybe if you'd been less self-centered you wouldn't have even found the crown" is true, but it's true in the same way that "maybe if you'd stepped on a butterfly the mushroom war wouldn't have happened" is true. The crown isn't really a natural consequence of Simon's actions: he didn't bring it on himself, it was just a classic example of someone who doesn't believe in magic getting throughly screwed over by magic.

    And the alternative to Simon becoming ice king is him and Betty dying in a magic nuclear war and vampires killing everyone, which is not better. Things basically went as well for this Simon as they could've; sucks for him that he's the universes fated punching bag but at least he saved the world like six times while he was being punched

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They weren't trying to say Simon didn't sacrifice enough so much as he didn't think too much about Betty's perspective and how much of herself she gave up. By sacrificing himself again to save Fionna's world, he's repeating the same mistakes that doomed Betty.

      There's a symbolic and a practical result of a sacrifice. Sure you can say Betty's sacrifice to give Simon a new lease on life was beautiful but in practical terms she also created a world where Simon can never be together with Betty no matter what.
      The folly of self-sacrifice is you don't get to see the consequences of your actions in the world and people you leave behind. The world has to move on and the notion of someone dying to protect someone else is noble and good and all that in a story with an ending but after that people still have to continue living and the bereaved now just feel guilty for ever being less than nobly carrying on with the sacrificed life that now they carry on their shoulders.

      Simon wanted to do the same to Fionna and Cake. But at least they could actually build their lives because they did have a whole world to live in. Simon didn't

      said it best.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except it's not the same mistake and he became used to being ice king. Betty brought it out of it just to leave him alone and out of place. Betty is in no position to be forcing people besides technically having the power to do so.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      i agree with this completely.
      him becomeing ice king was something of a necessary evil. also, fionna changing into non aaa fionna and the show saying that that is herself contradicts the idea that iceking isnt equally simon. if a altered fionna with no memories of her original state is legit than so is an altered simon with no memories of his original state. non of it makes any sense if youve seen adventure time, and if you havent seen adventure time you dont care about fionna and cake. catch 22.

  109. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't like how they had to have Simon say the point of his character arc to your face when it was already conveyed fine in the earlier episodes and even in AT. For a spin off with a higher age rating, they sure loved beating you over the head with what is happening and how you're supposed to feel.
    The scene with Golbetty could've been shorter to make time for Simon talking it out with Finn and Marcy. Seriously, I thought they were gonna follow up on Simon not talking to Marcy about his problems, did the writers just forget or not think it was important?
    That being said, I really want a Beth and Shermy focused spin-off, the world looks interesting and I wanna see them open more gun-books.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, they literally beat you over the head with the point and some people STILL don't seem to get it. They'd rather ignore what the characters say out loud to believe the narrative they made up in their head instead.

  110. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    where's ice queen?

  111. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lesbian sec with Giant Fionna and Golbetty

  112. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe it took me till now to notice this meme fail was one of the writers

  113. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    if being inside of Golb reset the crown the first time and Golbetty had enough power to timeshift Simon into Shermy's mind and turn the Lich into geometry then she could've just reset the fricking crown again or removed the curse from it

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Golbetty would have to eat the crown first to do that and then cough it up somehow.

  114. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is baby finn forever a baby?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but I still dont understand who made the candy sentinels when everyone is a baby

  115. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    would finn have low diffed scarab? he seems like a mid tier villain overall. high durability low offense. finn might have a hard time actually hurting him.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's a cosmic god, he's pretty much near the top, he was only defeated by stealing his tech.

  116. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Betty broke up with Simon then Simonna is far game? Hell they call and text each other now. I'm sure prsmo will help them keep in touch knowing him

  117. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  118. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the writers did a good enough job in AT proper to show that Betty self sacrificed to a fault but it she also did it selfishly, not considering Simon's agency and feelings. Then it was Simon's turn to think about what he also could've done to take some weight off Betty. Perhaps if he followed her passions too she would've turned out a different person, one who didn't think about sacrifice all the time and wouldn't become Golbetty. At the end of the day they both made mistakes but Betty kept spiraling to a point of no return while Simon still has the opportunity to grow and get better.

  119. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What did they mean by this

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That fionna gave him Cosmic AIDs when she had the tantrum on top of prismos body, and that the Scarab will eventually have to replace Prismo since he is now dying.
      That or the old man will have to wake up again and fall back asleep for Prismo to once gain be recreated but without Fionna AIDs.

  120. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    i would let the lich rip off my ballsack just to smell fionna's bed once

  121. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still love the Lich but I feel like the show did him dirty with the whole """depression""" thing. Hope it gets retconned into him not being a golb simp but using golb to further his own goals. That's the Lich I want to see.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The lich should of been more machine like, we never should of seen him past episode 8. Having the Golb fire in his eye would of been the perfect final scene for him this season.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That or him trying to take over golb's power. But the scene of him being the only "living" thing in the dead Ooo, would've been fitting too.

  122. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out winter king had it right. Betty who? Frick that b***h.

  123. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish Cake was a more entertaining character. I don't care if Prismo monkey paw's me.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >From fun wizard to sad loser!
      >Cake singing and destroying and harming all of those creatures
      I don't think cake ever once thought about her harmful actions. She probably things those creatures are all buttholes for putting her in the stockades to this day.

  124. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Betty and simon could of had a good relationship when they were both crazy wizards. Betty wasn't all there but neither was Simon, they would of made a good fit.

  125. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whats his end game

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      To bring laughter and cheer to the world

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's his endgame, to become a flying thing.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Find out where Gunther went.

  126. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I realized in the finale that I was only watching this for Simon and Betty
    I did not care about what happened to Fionna's world or the people there at all

  127. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you turn my world back the way it was before my friends might not be homosexuals again
    direct quote holy shit this is grim

  128. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The marking between his eyes looks like nerd glasses

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