>aged 16 in the books
makes sense all of his stupid decisions
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makes sense all of his stupid decisions
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The girl he marries in the books actually baby traps him, her mother tells her to seduce him the night he finds out that Theon murdered Bran and Rickon.
Of course this was too problematic for the show, he had to naturally pick a stronk girl because he himself is a dumbass.
>in the book
This fricking nerd reads books holy frick
Yup, it's like reading really long shitposts, you should consider trying it. Not everyone has the brain mass for it though, so it's okay if you can't. It doesn't make you less of a human, not being able to read without getting a headache.
You can't exactly pull rank intellectually because you read fantasy slop lmao.
>t. on Cinemaphile
>using a tweet from a twat that got raped in prison
>on Cinemaphile trying to act "superior"
Lmao
Lol even
Maybe not among intelligent people, but he can with you.
too bad i think he's way smarter than you
Yeah sorry but thst fat moron isn't exactly Dante Alighieri
Who really gives a shit, reading is reading, when you have to nitpick this hard in defense of some gay literally (You) baiting about not reading any books at all, you've lost.
Seduced at an opportune moment, not raped. He had to "do the right thing" and marry her for taking her virginity. Her mother set it up.
Source: read the book.
That's what rape is. Robb couldn't consent. She raped him.
Did Rhaenyra rape Criston Cole?
Technically yes. He's sworn to do whatever she tells him to do and if he refuses he can get in massive trouble
>Robb couldn't consent.
Yeah, no, emotional vulnerability doesn't really count as some kind of inebriated state like that. It was a shitty and calculated thing for the mother to do, and he was naive enough to fall for it, but it was not a rape. He stuck his dick in without thinking.
winds of winter soon brothers
a dream of spring never ever
>winds of winter
the only wind that fat sack of lard ever creates are from when he eats a big bean casserole
About 5 years ago he said he had written half of Winds of Winter and the next book. Somehow he still hasn't finished it.
Anon, you have to view Winds of Winter and G.R.R Martin’s relationship with it as a parallel to Homer Simpson and his giant sandwich. The more he works on it, the sicker he becomes. He can’t stop, he can’t stay mad at it, but it’ll kill him before he finishes it.
I would have already just plotted out the rough outline and stuck it in my will and given up. He's already rich, his book end would never become the dominant version in the public consciousness, he's slow as frick, at the end of his life, already got all the pussy he's getting out of the deal after a decade of conventions and shit, and the whole show seems to have soured his drive for it anyway. Might as well just write the things of the world he still gives a shit about working on that isn't soured for him.
Keeping this place a positive environment for the morons. Very kind.
Do anything else with your life, losers. Holy shit.
isn't this guy headed to prison on multiple counts of sex trafficking?
you're gonna need better bait pal
his star wars tweet is better since he always reposts it on may 4th and creates seethe
How terminally insecure do you have to be to buy into what this guy says? I'm assuming he thinks stuff like wearing seatbelts is gay or something
Do you expect me to respect a Black person pimp's opinion on anything?
Only Brain dead morons don't read books
God, GRRM’s writing is so bad. Clearly trained to be a journalist or something
This. House Spicer is a young house that descends from a legit Essosi witch, Maggy the Frog, and people all over Lannisport went to her for “love potions”.
Sybille Spicer cooked up something.
The funniest part is he leaves her behind to go to the Twins, so she isn't at the Red Wedding. And her mother makes some abortion potion to get rid of their child, so the Lannisters don't have her killed.
That's also kind of hilarious, I mean not only do you break your word, but you bring your new wife to parade her in front of the Freys you broke your word to?
They had to make him as much of a dumbass in the show as possible for some ridiculous reason.
He didn't bring her. In the show he did though. She gets a lot more attention in the show.
She's also a completely different person with an entirely different backstory in the show.
That's what I'm talking about. In the show he brings his wife right to the keep of the people he broke his word to, like he's rubbing it in. It's clueless.
Ned got both his sons killed at one point, and both over his honorhomosexualry. Sure Jon got to respawn thanks to magic bullshit but Robb just got his dogs head stitched onto his corpse. The thing about honor is if your enemies don't have any, they're just going to use it against you in the absolute worst way.
>Ned got both his sons killed at one point, and both over his honorhomosexualry.
Do make it to this post
Ned was going to turn Robert down, and not going to accept being hand, but Catelyn talks him into it, before her sister's note shows up.
Ned takes honor seriously but not to the point of madness.
Not madness just stupidity. Which is why Littlefinger betrayed him when he realized Neds moronic ass was going to attempt a coup without having consolidated any power in Kings Landing and that everyone would just step down and let Stannis take the throne just because Bobbys kids had blonde hair. If anything Rob comes off as smarter than his idiot dad.
>Neds moronic ass was going to attempt a coup without having consolidated any power in Kings Landing and that everyone would just step down and let Stannis take the throne just because Bobbys kids had blonde hair.
But he never intended to do that at all, he was going to leave and consolidate northern power against the Lannisters possibly trying to invade and force the issue, but Sansa betrayed him.
personal interest wins the day every time
if Renly had not decided to make a power grab for himself he had no right to by law, and had supported Stannis's claim, the war would have been over almost immediately, Lannisters would have been crushed between Renly's Tyrell forces and Stannis's fleet, they would have treated with the Starks in some regard (who only really wanted justice upon the Lannisters anyway) and the Greyjoys wouldn't have dared try anything
But then you wouldn't have a story so selfishness it is
Thats not what happened anon. Littlefinger betrayed Ned because he wanted to get Caetlyn. Even if Ned did want to make a coup, absolutely everyone would back Ned fricking Stark against anyone else
Littlefinger definitely does not set out to betray Eddard from the get-go. Nor is it ever implied he's still after Catelyn.
He sides with the Lannisters when he realizes Eddard doesn't have the cunning to maintain power even if he captured Cersei and is a losing horse, especially as he means to side with Stannis who would outlaw his businesses (brothels)
Reminder.
Aight I'm reading the books
Ned was based. It wasn't his fault the Lannisters and the Small council were a bunch of scheming little homosexuals.
Right on
Everybody forgets about poor Rickon
unicorns ate him 5 min after landing
Wrong. She takes advantage of him while he's injured but she doesn't become pregnant. Her mother purposely gives her that abortion juice to keep her from conceiving
Here it is.
Sansa being 11 or 12 or something also makes it make more sense how innocent and naive she is
She's the whole reason Ned gets executed. Ned was going to leave King's Landing in the middle of the night and take the girls, say frick the entire thing and just let the Lannisters have it, but Sansa runs to tell Cersei, because she wanted to marry Joffrey still.
fantasy books are for young dorks
fantasy shows are for wine aunts
They're all way younger. Daenerys is like barely 13
Drogo's portrayal is the weirdest in the show. In the book he really slowly and gently, wordlessly gets Dany's permission to frick her their wedding night, but in the show this turns into essentially a rape. Then because women actually like that, his portrayal turns into some uber chad female fantasy who basically winds up getting killed because he listened to her too much.
He ignores her completely after that though, except to give her a quick rough pump before he goes to sleep every night. It's not like he's gentle after the wedding night, he doesn't start speaking with her and getting to know her until she forces the issue by taking charge during a frick. It does come off as an early sign there's more to him than a simple thoughtless barbarian but I think bar that scene they otherwise stuck pretty close to Drogo's book portrayal.
You're forgetting the part in the books where Dany describes screaming into her pillow every night from the pain of Drogo plowing away at her from behind.
Arya is only 8 when the first book starts
Richard Madden is relentlessly handsome.
Imagine him and Kit Harrington fricking. Haha.
wouldn't it be so weird and gross if rich got his sperm all over kit's abs hahaha crazy
Imagine if he licked it off right after. Haha.
His decisions make more sense at least from the perspective of a teenager in the book
>Injured during a battle, recovers at the Westerlings' keep under care of Jeyne Westerling
>Hears the news of Bran and Rickon's supposed deaths and the fall of Winterfell in the North
>Turns to her for comfort in his grief
>Gets her pregnant
>Not wishing to sire a bastard given he saw firsthand how difficult life was for Jon, his half-brother, and wishing to keep Jeyne's honor, he immediately marries her
>This fricks the deal Catelyn had made with the Freys with disastrous consequences
In the show he just deliberately marries a random girl with full knowledge and time to think out how this is fricking his political alliances, and he's an adult as is she, nor is she pregnant yet, so there's none of that in consideration. An early red flag that D&D did not do long term character logic.
He only made two stupid decisions and one didn't matter much
>Fricking his maid and marrying her
He lost the Freys but they didn't matter much
>Trusted his mother
Now that was stupid. She trusted the Freys and in turn he got killed because he trusted her. The war was in the bag, he had defeated the lannisters armies many times and two of the other kings would have swore allegiance after he got past the trident. Then comes his stupid mother which for some reason was afraid Robb would lose and it was better to get past the Trident without having to face the fricking Freys. And another character did point out just for another to say
>but its lady stark surely she isn't that dumb and has some other shit going on
>He lost the Freys but they didn't matter much
You missed the whole part about the Freys being the only ones in control of the one crossing connecting north and south. Not having them on his side meant zero connection for supplies or men. It's the whole reason he agreed to the marriage in the first place.
I didn't forget that, just that Robb could've taken them on.
Oh yeah, I didn't want to get into that. I'm assuming it is stupid regardless because even without red wedding, the Freys would've screwed him over somehow. Surely wouldn't be as stupid as it turned out to be, but stupid regardless. Besides the point is more about Caetlyn who was wrong in EVERY opinion she had from the very first moment she appeared on book 1. Like, how do screw up so much and not take a moment to think things over?
>yeah up until now everything I've done led me to lose four children, a husband and his bastard. >My last son has been in a path of victory against all odds and btfo Twin fricking Lannister with a group of illiterate cavemen.
>Hmm what should I do? Follow my thoughts on the matter or do what my son says?
>Robb could've taken them on.
Maybe, maybe not, the Twins had never been taken, it was the second best naturally defended castle next to the Eyrie.
I'm in total agreement about how stupid Catelyn was and how much to blame for many things she is, the show is kinder to her than any other character, by deleting or downplaying most of her dumbass shit.
Yeah maybe not.
Still, I don't understand whya nons overstimate Robb's fault on his own death. As you said, guest rights are almost divine. Anyone who violates them are signing their own deaths. Not social, literal deaths. But Father Frey somehow believed he would get compensated for it. What a dumbass homie.
He's getting plenty compensated. Look, Lord Manderly brought some lovely pies as a gift.
>>I didn't forget that, just that Robb could've taken them on.
They address that. They could take the Twins, but it would have been incredibly costly.
The castle is on the river, meaning it can only be assaulted head-on. It would be an extremely bloody affair at a time when every soldier would be needed to retake the North.
It was always such a moronic plot point that Robb got declared King of the River lands as well.
As King in the North, he need only rebuild and fortify Moat Cailin, which completely prevents any enemy coming up the causeway from the south.
The north's vast expanse and diehard loyalty means that a seaborne invasion is going to find it near impossible to maintain supply lines from the south.
The riverlands are basically Belgium. They have no natural defences. They are surround by hostile forces in all directions.
It's not reasonable in Westeros to assume guest rights would be broken. Be cautious and explicitly avail of said guest right, yes. But it's not normal to see it broken even by shitty families. They underestimated how shit a family the Freys are.
>>The war was in the bag, he had defeated the lannisters armies many times
The outcome of the war had already turned against Robb before he even married her.
Stannis killing Renly caused the Tyrells, and all the power of the south, to join with the Lannisters and defeat Stannis at King's Landing.
Balon Greyjoy had already made plans to declare himself king and invade the North.
In what way was the war "in the bag?" He was cut off from the North by the ironmen at Moat Cailin. He had antagonised and humiliated the most important of the river lords. His legal heir was in the custody of his enemies, and his anointed heir was a sworn brother of the Night's Watch, forbidden to hold titles or lands.
He was fricked from the moment he refused to declare his support for Stannis.
>>and two of the other kings would have swore allegiance
Who are these? They certainly aren't Balon Greyjoy, or Stannis, or Renly, or Joffrey.
Were there additional kings in the books that I missed?
Catelyn is incredibly fricking stupid. She somehow convinces herself that Tywin is going to let the heiress to the north be sent back, AFTER he has already gotten Jaime back.
Wait. Was Robb really magically date raped? Is there any proof to this? Book gays?
No he was not.
>Sybell Spicer (wife's mom) is the granddaughter of Maggy the Frog, a witch known to deal in cures and love potions, she's mostly known for the valonqar prophecy.
>Tywin is discussing the decision to give the Spicers a slap on the wrist in the same scene where he says "some battles are won with quills, not swords"
>When Jaime is doing post-war cleanup in the riverlands, Sybell assures him that she was feeding Jeyne (Robb's wife) birth control disguised as a fertility-increasing concoction, then starts b***hing at him to follow through on the deal Tywin promised her. Jaime's response can be seen in pic related.
It should be noted that Jeyne herself genuinely fell in love with Robb to some degree, and it's unclear if she was in on the theorized plot.
I don't blame the girl because of the way she is in those scenes after his death, my assumption is she was in on it because nothing about her comes off like the "easy" type to give her virginity to some random young guy passing through, but it's based on nothing, because little is actually said about her.
honestly it'd be pretty easy for her mom to set her up
>Hey honey here's this gigachad undefeated warrior who really needs to be comforted after losing his brothers, I'm gonna lock you in a room with him to make sure that you properly tend to his wounds.
Even if she didn't do an actual padlock, she seems controlling enough to force Jeyne to stay in there until something happens.
>some random young guy passing through
He was the King in the North.
founding fathers were like 18.
I don't even blame the girl tbh, the mother was entirely behind that whole thing, she had to do it. if it was more of a rape for anyone it was the girl, in a way.
mmm Oona
!!!
worth it
I dont like the love potion theory. Robb is my favorite character because he fricks up consciously through his own bad decisions and getting roofied takes away from that.
Bran.
accurate
here is a real 16 yeard old british male
And to think, now Sansa thinks she will rule forever and never have anyone betray or assassinated her including her brother from the next door kingdom
King in the North!
>And Harrenhal, I shapose that's off the table as well?!
>Uncle, please sit.