How long until we just speech synthesize voice actors and have ai make 90-100% of the show on its own? GPT5 is coming out at the end of this year... ;*) imagine a new episode of your favorite show every day forever, and the quality never drops. bros... we're almost there.
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>WE CAN ENDLESSLY CONSUME GARBAGE
You're such a trash human being. Being a techgay doesn't change that.
Im all for it at this point just to see what could happen
create a fricking trash singularity
It's gonna be great. As much as I'm enjoying the meltdowns and spergouts from some of the worst people on the planet, I'm just really looking forward to cartoons being good again.
Almost too stupid to be facetious but I'll take your bait. LLM and voice synthesis technology are in their infancy, all they really do now is play advanced word association with other people's creations. It is nowhere near ready to replace the labor of love that is art, nor should it.
The fact that you even consider throwing away the entire human element (writers, artists, voice actors) of cartoons just because shitty television exists means you absolutely deserve the goyslop you so desperately want to escape from.
No just half. You already threw away one half, so what's the big deal about the other half getting thrown out?
Oh man, you must be onto something! Like, what if we also let computers alone dictate what we see and talk about on social media, with no human oversight at all. That would never affect the quality of the media and discourse we subject ourselves to. right?
You are literally asking for entertainment to become even more corporate. Literal algorithmically generated content which can then be filtered and diluted even more by the same corporations that are making bad shows now. That is, if they can bother to do any sort of quality control when they just endlessly hit the "generate" button.
AI is not a perpetual motion machine, the content has to come from somewhere. I know it would be nice to have some Willy Wonka machine to bring "gud cartoon" back, but believe it or not art is a product of time and place. It all depends on current culture and people, which happens to be in a sorry state right now.
>believe it or not art is a product of time and place. It all depends on current culture and people, which happens to be in a sorry state right now.
How could things go wrong in just 20 years?
You're forgetting the key part of their equation: It's NEVER goyslop if it's not a woke person making it. Trash is acceptable if it's their team's trash. That's why so many of these homosexuals pollute the thread with eceleb shilling.
You're correct but nobody wants to be sincere anymore since shitposting and baiting for responses by acting moronic about the impact this shit will have is easier, as much as I despise some elements of the creative industry that hatred will never get me to openly accept the literal definition of mass-produced and mass-marketed slop no matter how they dress it up
>imagine a new episode of your favorite show every day forever, and the quality never drops
Gay. What's the point of something that doesn't end, which you can just generate more of forever?
Probably only shitty impressionists since the big VAs would sue the second this happened
You might even see terrorism go down over AI in Hollywood
SHOOT AI SHILLS
LYNCH AI SHILLS
STONE AI SHILLS IN THE STREET
>and the quality never drops.
Yeah, you can't exactly drop from rock fricking bottom, Pajeet
5-7 years before it’s basically perfect
>How long until we just speech synthesize voice actors
This will only happen with iconic dead VAs. The remaining alive VAs will just be celebrities that get paid 50% of the show's budget
Getting major moron vibes here. This is the type of person who also thought NFTs were the future.
I'd say in 3-4 years dubs will start being replaced by AI, starting with EN dubs since most people who watch EN dubs literally could not care less and tend to have no standards. We can already train English dubs based on performances in the original language and the results are about on par with your average dub actor nowadays since they started hiring fricking ecelebs:
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For actual VA work, that's unlikely to be impacted for at least another decade.
>imagine a new episode of your favorite show every day forever
That honestly sounds terrible. Shows working towards an ending is what makes them entertaining. Otherwise you just end up with endless filler.
SERIALIZED STORYTELING
CHARACTER ARCS
LORE!!!
Keep takling, please.
This is the alternative:
I don't much like the feel of it, but watching troon-flag Twittershits melt down over AI every day completely powerless to do a damn thing about it except bully some Indians making coomerbait in Midjourney like it actually accomplishes anything is one of the few things that still give me life, so bring it on
For me the best part is the fact I'll always have Stable Diffusion on my computer no matter what. And I don't even publicly post anything or have any real intent on doing so because I don't consider myself an "artist" just for typing some words into a box, but frick it, why not?
The only way to get it off is through nuclear war
And the best part about that is that nuclear war kills all the communists and troons and, if anyone's left alive, it's all the based ruralers who'll quickly frick up any twinky Bernie voter who tries to pull anything. So yeah, I lose Stable Diffusion, who gives a shit. I get the ethnostate in return, which is more than worth it.
So it's literally win win.
>. And I don't even publicly post anything or have any real intent on doing so because I don't consider myself an "artist" just for typing some words into a box, but frick it, why not?
I actually would not have any fricking problem with this AIslop if no one tried selling themselves as artists and pushing out actual artists. That's just not the world we live in because techbros from the Ganges who obsess over pictures of monkeys and digital IOUs spam AIshit everywhere they possibly can while Hollywood executives figure they can steal actual art and pass off their slurry fecal output as cost-saving creativity
>I actually would not have any fricking problem with this AIslop if no one tried selling themselves as artists and pushing out actual artists.
I'd go even further and say that, if it was possible to always be able to tag AI stuff as being AI-generated, I wouldn't even mind it being uploaded and shared, if segregated from actual human effort.
But
A: AIbros love tricking people because they're aware AIslop has had a mixed reception (which is honestly still too positive for my tastes) so they'll deliberately not tag blatantly AI generated shit as AI generated even when you call them out on it
B: Like I said, this period of imperfect theft and copying isn't going to last forever. I used to think we had maybe 7-10 years before AI could perfectly copy human art, but now I'm guessing it's closer to 2-5 at most.
I dread the day that you look at some super cool animation on Youtube and think "Wow, that was really impressive and interesting!" and then look for the credits and discover that it was all made in Stable Diffusion Animated or there's a bunch of fake names to make it look legit.
I also don't have much of a problem with it being used purely privately, but
is right. If some douche CAN make an image he thinks will make him money or score him attention online, he WILL.
How old are you?
>Ummm, if you aren't supporting AIslop, you're a troony
Worthless soulless "art" for worthless, soulless "people"
The AI art debate is only a thing because AI is still so weak at this point in time and can't reliably match a human's skill, even now. It takes an impressive amount of technical skill and even admittedly a bit of artistry to get Stable Diffusion to make something with multiple characters in dynamic poses and consistent lighting and styles, and most normies won't bother. I tried ElevenLabs and while it's serviceable and could fool someone not paying close attention, actual voice acting is still not close to being possible. I've heard AI music and it's similar. If you're not paying close attention, it's "ehhh, kinda there I guess," but the moment you actually do pay attention, it becomes clear it's being created by some machine that doesn't understand rondo form or sonic textures or coherency or timbre.
AI text is the most advanced, and even it is still inadequate without extra human touch. You can clearly tell when an ESL person """wrote""" a novel on Amazon that clearly was just a bunch of GPT-4 outputs stitched together.
It's pretty pathetic because so many of these types genuinely deluded themselves into thinking they're actual artists.
But I'm not a dumbfrick who was born yesterday. Obviously all this AI stuff will get better very quickly and most of these flaws will get ironed out, probably as soon as the next generation. That's when it starts getting scary.
Because right now, you can clearly tell the soulless, styleless, overly glossy, over produced anime coomerbait was made in Midjourney or Stable Diffusion.
But when AI is able to match actual style and doesn't have those flaws, what then? It's easy to assume that won't happen, but I remember looking at AI images back in 2017. I didn't think we'd get to the point we're at now for another 20 years, but here we are. Anyone thinking AI won't be able to eventually perfectly match something like Ralph Bakshi or Viziepop is deluded themselves.
That's what scares me.
>But I'm not a dumbfrick who was born yesterday
Reading your post tells me otherwise.
>gpt5
anon you're aware gpt is just a language model and can't do stuff like voice synthesis?
Still needs a script to read, don't it?
Remember that Don Hertzfeldt simpsons couch gag? I expect the AI cartoons to look like that
I'd love to be able to create my own cartoon in my bedroom. There's a shit ton of ideas I have in my head, most of which could never be made simply because they are way too niche. Getting a computer to make them sounds neat.
Not exactly sure I want to sacrifice the human spirit and behavioral modernity for it though. Part of the joy I get from entertainment is the shared experience and the human stories behind it. That's why I keep coming back to Cinemaphile and its infinite homosexualry after all.
I fricking hate everything about Primos. It's beanmouth goyslop made for toddlers and womanchildren on Twitter. It might as well already be AI generated for all I cared. But a computer could NEVER hope to match the joy of the drama around the creators and voice actress and their reactions, the studio politics that delayed the show, all that fun stuff. If an AI really did make it, it might as well be cold machine-ready prolefeed to consume.
And maybe there's a market for that, for pure slop to consume without thinking or wasting human effort. I wouldn't consume it myself though.
you're talking like we're getting the fricking Holodeck from Star Trek
Believe me, they're working on it.
>But a computer could NEVER hope to match the joy of the drama around the creators and voice actress and their reactions, the studio politics that delayed the show, all that fun stuff.
you are everything wrong with this place
I'm sure it happens on the day any of the main Simpsons VAs dies.
I hate AI, I hate AI shills, I hate everything about AI "art", and I call it out whenever I see it. But I'm not pretending that it's going to be stopped. If AI "art" is stopped today, it's not actually stopped. They'll just keep developing it in the background and then bring it out again when it literally can't be stopped because you couldn't tell it was used at all.
It won't actually start with Disney or Universal or anything. Way too public.
It'll start with mysterious multimedia studio startups that look legit, releasing products that people like, with reasonably real-looking credits and names. You could interact with some of those "artists" working for them on Twitter or Instagram so it's reinforced that they're real until they're invited to Comic Con, and then they dodge out of going. Or maybe the studio is located in the Philippines or South Korea and the "producers" are located in America/Britain/France/Canada as some LLC. That's already partially the case. I think the big push to outsource animation to Korea and the Philippines might have been a preliminary step (or at least a very accidental first step) toward covering those tracks.
They'll have "up and comer" voice actors rather than unionized or established ones, except maybe for one or two for legitimacy in a weird rented out recording booth.
And these brand new studios will be shaky and unusual at first but then get a lot of attention, and people won't be any wiser until inevitably some show snags a hyper autistic fanbase like the Loud House, and one ultra-autist sleuths to connect names to towns and schools and starts discovering that certain "people" literally could not have even existed in the places they're supposed to be, and that causes a scandal.
I'm probably overthinking this, but I give it until 2027 before we get some shadow-AI-generated animation studio making AIslop
Anon, there is no reason to cover it up. As a matter of fact, they could heavily advertise something as being predominantly made by AI, and most people would watch at least 1 episode to know where the tech stands and if they would like an AI show.
There is noise all over social media against AI art, but thats because artists live there. Thats how they get exposure to get hired, living on social media. Your average person doesn't give a shit, and will never have a particularly strong opinion on this.
>Your average person doesn't give a shit, and will never have a particularly strong opinion on this.
Unfortunately this. I make a few hundred bucks off commissions a month, and while I'm not fanatically anti-AI art myself (even though I probably should be), I do think there's a massive disconnect between what people feel on Twitter and Tumblr and Reddit vs real life.
Twitter is a warzone between artists and AI bros. Most Reddits banned AI art but the AI art subs get millions of visitors anyway. I'd say it's a total mixed bag online. But in real life, I don't think I've met a single person who wouldn't watch an AI made show or read an AI novel who isn't also an artist or very left-leaning and aware of this shit. In fact, a lot of the Boomers are outright agitated against artists for speaking out against AI, not really because they're pro AI but definitely because of the strike and strong anti-union sentiment. Plus a lot of them absolutely hate most modern art and modern media, so they buy into the headcanon that AI would bring """common sense""" back to entertainment. It's a total lost cause with them. It's pretty depressing because if you went totally by anti-AI theft spaces online, you'd think there was some revolution fomenting against it, but I can easily find loads of people who think Linkin Park was "cool" for using Stable Diffusion and loads of people shitting on artists and mocking ecelebs who call out AI art. It makes me wish we had this debate a decade sooner than we did because then maybe we could have done something more substantial, but now it feels like we're pulling the fire alarm when the building's already mostly burned to the ground.
>It makes me wish we had this debate a decade sooner than we did
That's the game with computer science and information technology ain't it. We should've had the debate on the internet in the 1970s, but we didn't because the internet was government-only technical shit then. We should've had discussions about the potential impact of social media in the 90s, but social media wasn't even possible there were still debates on whether the internet itself was a fad.
AI "art" wasn't possible ten years ago, so freaking out about it then would've made you look like a Singularity schizo. I think it's not too late to cripple the commercial use of AI, even if it is too late to ban it outright.
>I make a few hundred bucks off commissions a month, and while I'm not fanatically anti-AI art myself (even though I probably should be), I do think there's a massive disconnect between what people feel on Twitter and Tumblr and Reddit vs real life.
If you're getting regular commissions you should do fine. I've been cranking out thousands upon thousands of AI images. I still have an artist or two I commission regularly because I like their work. Sure, I could probably train an AI model on their stuff, but then it would just be a poor facsimile of their art. There's still the social aspect to consider.
I just feel like AI will never be good enough for me during my lifetime so i rather keep practing and getting better at drawing and animating like maybe in 100 assuming a lot of things go right and humanity doesn't frick shit up maybe just maybe someday AI will be able to connect to my brain and make a video exactly like what's inside of my head and even then i'd like to have some tools to refine the result
i think as it is right now there will always be people moronic enough to enjoy AI drawings but for me the results are way too random even using control net and tools for composition, AI just doesn't give me enough control yet to be happy about results
Ai isn't very original though the reality would be ai making a show out of garbage it learned from fricking tv tropes and shitty youtube skits. The truth is ai just makes the work easier but it doesn't actually do everything for you at the press of a button as you invision it.
Modern cartoons already watch like those gta5 parody cartoons due tot he zoomer "makimum reward, minimum effort" mindset so it would be an improvement.
>until we just speech synthesize voice actors
Random people on the internet already can. Big studios can't because they'd get sued into the fricking earth's core
For all the people that claim AI is the future or will remove gatekeeping or democratize art or is capable of so much notice how few of them post anything but boilerplate text that often sounds like it it self was written by a chatbot.
Notice how when you ask them to do something on the spot they either ignore you or respond with insults.
Notice how when people that use it point out flaws they deflect by saying those flaws won't be there in two years or again, just submit more insults (or say you did it wrong but won't demonstrate the right way to do it).
Hell, notice how many of them are phoneposters.
Until AI gays are capable of putting their money where their mouth is on the spot, these will only ever be bait threads.
It will be popular for a while but people will get bored of it and might turn Hunan made artists. Which won't be many yet since artgays easily give up.
People like knowing the minds behind the artists in a weird parasocial relationship
>a new episode of your favorite show every day forever
That honestly sounds like the kind of stupid wish one would make on a monkey paw.