In fairness, I believe we already saw that he's covered in stiches when he did his big lanklet transformation when he was yelling at Vox during their song.
>Pick Lucifer or Lilith as your parents over Adam and Lute >You get this
Yeah, Adam and Lute are meant to be the only truly good parents of humanity in this Universe.
Alastor's deal is the only creative load Vivzie hasn't blown yet
With whom was the deal made? (Ignore leakers) Why would an overlord, who lives and thrives on these deals and knows full well that his station doesn't make him immune, make such a deal? What even IS the deal? He mentions "unclipping (his) wings" and clearly thought he could handle Adam better than he did, so what is the REAL extent of his power?
All of these questions will be answered in the first three minutes of season two and then he will be killed after cashing in his deal with Charlie
>With whom was the deal made? (Ignore leakers)
Eve, the "Root of All Evil".
Why would an overlord, who lives and thrives on these deals and knows full well that his station doesn't make him immune, make such a deal?
Ego + he did it while alive
What even IS the deal?
He wanted power in a generic sense but some other reasons we'll see later. >He mentions "unclipping (his) wings" and clearly thought he could handle Adam better than he did, so what is the REAL extent of his power?
Assumed he was empowered by Eve + the consumption of overlord souls more than he was, or going further out in full public view would expose his nature as Eve's puppet.
No joking, this is how Adam should have been written
Like the same bastard but instead of talking about his dick all day, just claim that his horrible actions are in the name of god and he love killing for him
>I work for god so this made my actions rightful >If curbstomping your sinful friend on the ground was so bad, then why god let me do it? >GOD I LOVE KILLING!!!! ᵢₙ ₜₕₑ ₙₐₘₑ ₒf ₜₕₑ fₐₜₕₑᵣ ₜₕₑ ₛₒₙ ₐₙd ₜₕₑ ₕₒₗᵧ ₛₚᵢᵣᵢₜ *ₛᵢgₙ ₒf ₜₕₑ cᵣₒₛₛ* ₐₘₑₙ
Viv refuses to directly acknowledge the existence of God in this story. In fact, he may not exist within it at all.
Which makes sense, integrating an Omnipotent and Omniscient character into the narrative in a way that makes sense and doesn't evaporate all stakes is well beyond her capabilities as a writer.
It's also territory that's really tired. Preacher/The Boys are now in social conscious, both of which show an all-powerful character as an idiot or neglectful.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They could just keep with the gnostic approach and show God as being a passive entity that leaves it up to his agents. Or have him be like Chaos in Hades and be too big to really impose himself upon the setting without smothering out evil by presence alone and letting things play out because he'd rather see redemption than obliterate all of Hell.
Another issue is that you can only go so sacrilegious when Charlie is basically taking the role of a Christ figure preaching redemption of sinners, holding onto and preaching about the importance of faith as her world stands against her and the powers that be want her dead.
For all its imagery the show is weirdly Christian in theme.
It would have been cool if they were supposed to be holy crusades instead of simply some weird extermination. Like instead of killing for entertainment they'd be doing it for more self-rightous reasons
yeah the whole extermination thing is pointless as it doesn't matter how many sinners are in hell when the most powerful beings in heaven could snap their fingers and kill them all
It would have been cool if they were supposed to be holy crusades instead of simply some weird extermination. Like instead of killing for entertainment they'd be doing it for more self-rightous reasons
“Umm if killing you is wrong then why does the benevolent omniscient being not stop me?”
Don’t the Cherubs, Lucifer, and Vaggie prove that Charlie and Emily are wrong? You can get kicked out of Heaven for quite a few reasons, and they aren’t allowed to do whatever they want.
>Sir Pentious "died" >but made it to Heaven
I dunno how to feel about this. It's nice that he actually got what he wanted in the end and proved that the Hotel isn't a lost cause but I fear him being "redeemed" might give him less screentime.
>spends an entire episode fricking with Lucifer and insulting him >turns out he is not only much weaker but had no idea how to even harm an angel back them
What was his plan if Lucy decided to frick him up?
Lucifer would get disowned by his daughter? The whole point behind Alastor insulting him to his face was to demonstrate the soft power he has over Lucifer.
"At this point its a game, and if he kills me I win, and he KNOWS it.."
Alastor is my favorite character by a large margin, and I loved that this happened.
It would have been so easy to make Alastor one-dimensional tumblr bait, but they're actually giving him an arc... humbling moments... character writing...
Breaking the haughty is my favorite troupe and man, he BROKE
None of these payoffs feel remotely earned.
Your pet project get an 'F' in all boxes.
Next time don't timeskip over months of character development in your show about bad people improving themselves.
>Adam breaks Alastor's shield with a single punch >Naw i can still win this
Is he frickin' moronic?
He's literally meant to be egotistical and over-sure of himself.
The reason he's so ANGURY at the end of Episode 8 is because >He jobbed to Adam >Lucifer who he has a beef with had to fly in and rescue everybody >Everyone, Including [Not sure if Alastor is 'aware' of this] the V.V.V's now know he's not actually a 99999/99999 HP Gary Stu who actually can be taken down / killed, Meaning his 'tilt head + scary smile' intimidation will be leagues less effective.
>the V.V.V's now know he's not actually a 99999/99999 HP Gary Stu who actually can be taken down / killed
Apparently Vox already (barely) beat him in a fight once prior to the seven-year disappearance.
Alastor is only powerful BECAUSE he's a chained up slave. His power comes directly from his deal. His goal is to break the deal while also taking over.
Maybe he's made two deals? One with Eve/Roo that gave him his powers and allowed him to sweep the floor with the other overlords upon being a newbie in Hell, and one with Lilith after he jobbed to Vox and had to get stitched up by her in exchange for being Charlie's babysitter?
Depends on how literally you take the whole hateboner thing, I guess.
Vox and Val's relationship is interesting when you consider they're both obsessed with different people who hate them and yet have some kind of relationship regardless.
Until proven otherwise I'm gonna believe Vox had a crush, Alastor rejected him for being asexual and Vox seethed forever.
I mean he went from a guy named Al to a guy named Val, I think he's desperate.
This sucks, but is probably where it's going to go.
It'd be interesting enough that Alastor made enemies by being so focused on his machinations, and got blind-sided by the embodiment of modern vapid culture and his own contemptuous arrogance.
"I wanted you to join me as a ruler, and you were just using me as a stepping stone!" is so much more interesting than "Why didn't we frick?"
Honestly I think he did better than could have expected. He was fighting the actual head of heaven's army on even terms for quite awhile. His shield totally brickwalled every other exorcist.
His arc is the most genuinely interesting in the show.
If you watch it carefully he was being serious when he said he had affection for the cast of the hotel in episode 8. His heart has began to thaw at least a little. At the same tome he is still a genuine monster. Compared to the other sinners at the hotel the question of whether he can truly be redeemed deal or no deal looks large
Of the hotel attendees, Alastor Pentious are the only interesting or amusing characters that can drive the show unsurprisingly. Husk and Angel are far too predictable. Nifty is good but isn't much of a character that can take the helms.
>one tapped by CHADAM and ran like a b***h >his “own” powers might not even belong to him
Alastorbros, it’s over…
My read is that he actually knew fighting Adam was dangerous. He isn't actually super arrogant, word of god used to be explicitly that he wasn't and uses smiles for self-control. He still decided to fight against Adam and his angels
>Husk and Angel are far too predictable. >Nifty is good but isn't much of a character that can take the helms.
It's pretentious homosexuals like you who're the reason why cartoons can't just be simple fun anymore.
The show should have been retooled to a Political Thriller set in hell. Have Charlie trying to unite and improve hell rather than redeem sinners, at least at first. Make hell a more obviously hellish and divided place, make heaven and earth more distant and mysterious places, and focus on Charlie and Alastor.
Alastor is my favorite character by a large margin, and I loved that this happened.
It would have been so easy to make Alastor one-dimensional tumblr bait, but they're actually giving him an arc... humbling moments... character writing...
Facts. Every time a new character was introduced, all I could think was "This means less Alastor/Charlie time."
Honestly Charlie has nuance entirely based on what character she's around. I think Angel Dust had the strongest arc this season, and his interactions with Charlie were the most true to her optimism being a vulnerability.
Overall I think the show arc is going to end with some sort of Charlie/Alastor/Lilith entanglement. Charlie confronting that people she thought were supporting her ideals aren't like she thought, and Alastor being some ironic mix of good and bad.
Voodoo runs on proportionate return, which could explain why Alastor never hits first and why he could be restricted. He has to antagonize Lucifer enough to prompt a fight, and he had to job to Adam because he wasn't necessary to tip the scales.
We'll see that his origin either had extremely good or evil intentions (I have to be the most evil to destroy this place of suffering sort of thing.) Then the climax will be Charlie forgiving him and leading him to redemption/freedom despite coming real close to revenge/hate. It'll be better stakes if this comes after Alastor helps Lilith end Lucifer if that's what we're building to.
Well honestly, Lucifer did kinda like Alastor walk all over him in front of his daughterfu during Episode 5, that happened.
But now deer boy is ANGURRY that he got shown up by Lucifer in front of literally everyone.
I have doubts that Alastor hates Lucifer beyond just "I'm using your daughter, get out of the way."
Him allying against Lucifer later? Sure. But the show has had no multi-layered scheming outside of Alastor puppeting Charlie.
I’m willing to give him a chance as a character now
I thought they were gonna write it off but Vox and he made a big deal at the end how he chickened out and ran, I predict this is gonna be a plotpoint next season that the Vs aren’t scared of him anymore. He bled in the water and all the sharks smelled it.
Doesn't mean he doesnt have some deal/favor/threat/agenda shit going on with Lilith or Eve but I believe he probably has a wild deal with a voodoo entity that he made when he was still living. This is the only way he could be tricked. It would be his first deal, the entity can say hes someone hes not/has or can do something he cant or omit shit. A bill cipher type of scam. The voodoo powers likely not being Alastors, the stitches in his smile bound to him forcing him to smile and are green like the chains and how he seemed to have a shitton of power like immediately arriving into hell. Speculation is one of the bargains hes wrapped up in involves being a power pawn raging war and fear or a protector of charlie. If he was like every other newbie human in hell he wouldn't be able to do that or be sought out by lilith/eve/someone else for this kind of shit either. If you are practicing voodoo in life you probably wont be inclined to try to summon/worship/talk to eve, roo or lilith but be interested in communicating with a voodoo entity. Though i don't have any real voodoo knowledge.
He is recovering at my home after the fight, frick you Adam you beat up my man and you're a massive c**t!!! (I enjoyed watching Adam in the show and wouldn't mind if he came back as a sinner) i am also sad Dazzle died. It hit a bit too close to home. I really like dragons and had two little dogs that were almost lookalike twins like those two and a couple too. One died last year from old age and left me with just her girlfriend. Yes dogs can be gay. Lmao. Even my family and friends believed they were, including ones who said that was not a possible thing in the beginning. And now Razzle is alone too. </3
Overall mostly satisfied with the show. Hope the season two wait is 2 years or less. Also where the frick is the merch???
Holy fricking shit so many "women" just came out of the woodwork.
And holy fricking shit they talk exactly like how I'd expect some hormonal woobie weeb to talk. I wonder what you people look like in real life and behave like.
And Jesus Christ I hope you don't have sex on that puffy material, you'll ruin it. Put a towel over it. >All that colourful shit included that giant-ass doll with those weird shoes she probably bought from someone... >pillow are boring white and the bed looks like some 18th century shit with the cheapest pressed sawdust possible.
Priorities, people. God this generation is shallow as frick. Get a better bed. >white walls
That better be navy and not white or I swear to God. You really don't understand what's wrong with white walls?
And just like that I analyzed you, ironically not for your Digital Circus covers and Alastor doll and that awful banner which you obviously thought would have been a redflag, but everything else surrounding it which bothers me a million times more in combination with your autism.
Is there any goddamn person interested in cartoons who's not a shallow furry weirdo with awful tastes?
Ya im a women. But I'm not here to social justice fight or be a pain in the ass, just chill or talk a bit and laugh at bs sometimes. I don't frick it at all, hence my flag and there being no removable clothes or genitalia. The shoes are clean rubber cast that i made, not real shoes. No i didnt eat the banana, just needed an object for scale when i took the pic. The walls are light purple. My usual bedding is galaxy colored. Elderly dog pissed on the comforter so i took chance to wash it all. I've seen some ultra weird bedding, rooms and plushies online and never felt the need to comment or have it as anything more as a passing thought but i guess we're all different lol
>elder dog
And who takes care of the dog, you or your grandmother?
I want just 1 respectable looking person, not even personality wise to be part of cartoon fandoms. Can you at least pretend you're respectable LOOKS WISE?
I genuinely feel like Lucifer.
I'm stuck with all the bad examples of people and I laugh my ass off when that 1 Youtuber said "you don't get any redflags, ominoous music, etc. when somebody offers you weed" FOR YOU MAYBE, for me I look in disgust at how they think any of this is normal.
Am I the only goddamn person on Cinemaphile and in cartoons who's actually capable of separating his online persona from his IRL persona? seriously now. You know what I did with my last Alien figurine? I sold it. Cause I do not want to end up like the lunatic who I sold it to; $5000 worth of Predator figurines, Jesus Christ. You people are insane.
Look I'm just here to watch a cartoon and post on Cinemaphile without being insane like you lot, okay? I'm not insane, I'm not one of you when it comes to looks and mentality and personality.
You know what I did when my father offered me a Starcraft 2 mug while I was 12 ? I said no and took a McDonalds while my prebuscent tastebuds could still enjoy a shitty frozen meat with additives, but now as an adult I can only feel cardboard and paper when I eat that disgusting "ham"burger.
Maybe I should just get some adult hobbies that attracts intellectual adults and not the pompous Cinemaphilegays and insane /k/ kind either.
But what happens when you finally get an "adult" ? it's this boring homosexual with white walls who works a cubicle job and has the imagination of a flopping fish. I genuinely want to kill her out of pity.
I need balance. I want a balanced Cinemaphile, not a circus of insane toddlers I need to take care of or depressed hapless failures wagecucking.
Im severely crippled, have chronic pain and fatigue, a screwed up back, neck and spine and I'm blind in one eye in my fricking 20s. But I'm still taking care of the dog plus other pets, myself too, making whatever I want and doing whatever I am still able to in my life. Making the most of it even though I am for sure better off dead due to my health. I live for the family, friends and animals that need me. That's respectable to anyone.
I don't know why you are so concerned about strangers looks, hobbies and personalities on the internet so much? Because you share a site and fandom? I'm not even trying to be an butthole, I'm just really confused why I got this big rant?
You sound too judgemental focused and I bet a family member or someone else made you this way. If not why are you seemingly so desperate to prove yourself? To internet strangers of all things? You shouldn't live life for anyone else but you or it becomes a living hell and boring as shit. People can have all sorts of balances, duality and good traits despite interests. And people have different hobbies and different levels of involvement with them. This is ok. You are worried about the wrong shit in personal settings and in other peoples lives who you dont even really know. Being on a high horse won't make you happy or change others.
Speaking of knowing people. This year, I am buying a large house, BY MYSELF, without disability or family financial aid. Despite being crippled and having wild hobbies and interests. You probably wouldn't have been able to guess that based on my belongings though. I'll take being deemed insane by others for doing, liking or acting how I want. I down want to turn into another miserable inside, conforming and boring ass adult so every other butthole can surface level like or tolerate me. Change hobbies if others existing and functioning in different ways sets off insecurities or agitation. And chill out too.
I’m going to give him the woman he always deserved. (Lutes great what a queen, but I’m going to frick him till he doesn’t want to be the Dickmaster anymore,)
Ya im a women. But I'm not here to social justice fight or be a pain in the ass, just chill or talk a bit and laugh at bs sometimes. I don't frick it at all, hence my flag and there being no removable clothes or genitalia. The shoes are clean rubber cast that i made, not real shoes. No i didnt eat the banana, just needed an object for scale when i took the pic. The walls are light purple. My usual bedding is galaxy colored. Elderly dog pissed on the comforter so i took chance to wash it all. I've seen some ultra weird bedding, rooms and plushies online and never felt the need to comment or have it as anything more as a passing thought but i guess we're all different lol
One of them was into FNAF. I honestly try not to monitor it too closely after they reach a certain age, I feel like it's counterproductive because it ends up making them weird and repressed. If there was an apparent addiction to porn or something I'd be more inclined to get more involved. Younger children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet without strict guardrails though
Holy fricking shit so many "women" just came out of the woodwork.
And holy fricking shit they talk exactly like how I'd expect some hormonal woobie weeb to talk. I wonder what you people look like in real life and behave like.
And Jesus Christ I hope you don't have sex on that puffy material, you'll ruin it. Put a towel over it. >All that colourful shit included that giant-ass doll with those weird shoes she probably bought from someone... >pillow are boring white and the bed looks like some 18th century shit with the cheapest pressed sawdust possible.
Priorities, people. God this generation is shallow as frick. Get a better bed. >white walls
That better be navy and not white or I swear to God. You really don't understand what's wrong with white walls?
And just like that I analyzed you, ironically not for your Digital Circus covers and Alastor doll and that awful banner which you obviously thought would have been a redflag, but everything else surrounding it which bothers me a million times more in combination with your autism.
Is there any goddamn person interested in cartoons who's not a shallow furry weirdo with awful tastes?
that banana is fine you pussy
Where are the Adam plushies?!
I want an adam plushie and an alastor plushie so I can make them kiss and make up :3. and a charlie in her finale outfit plushie because it was super cute and an nifty plushie so I can sleep knowing she won't let any bugs get to me
Im severely crippled, have chronic pain and fatigue, a screwed up back, neck and spine and I'm blind in one eye in my fricking 20s. But I'm still taking care of the dog plus other pets, myself too, making whatever I want and doing whatever I am still able to in my life. Making the most of it even though I am for sure better off dead due to my health. I live for the family, friends and animals that need me. That's respectable to anyone.
I don't know why you are so concerned about strangers looks, hobbies and personalities on the internet so much? Because you share a site and fandom? I'm not even trying to be an butthole, I'm just really confused why I got this big rant?
You sound too judgemental focused and I bet a family member or someone else made you this way. If not why are you seemingly so desperate to prove yourself? To internet strangers of all things? You shouldn't live life for anyone else but you or it becomes a living hell and boring as shit. People can have all sorts of balances, duality and good traits despite interests. And people have different hobbies and different levels of involvement with them. This is ok. You are worried about the wrong shit in personal settings and in other peoples lives who you dont even really know. Being on a high horse won't make you happy or change others.
Speaking of knowing people. This year, I am buying a large house, BY MYSELF, without disability or family financial aid. Despite being crippled and having wild hobbies and interests. You probably wouldn't have been able to guess that based on my belongings though. I'll take being deemed insane by others for doing, liking or acting how I want. I down want to turn into another miserable inside, conforming and boring ass adult so every other butthole can surface level like or tolerate me. Change hobbies if others existing and functioning in different ways sets off insecurities or agitation. And chill out too.
That's a hard life anon congrats on your house. ignore the trolls and please come back and post more alastor plushie pics when season 2 drops.
Well honestly, Lucifer did kinda like Alastor walk all over him in front of his daughterfu during Episode 5, that happened.
But now deer boy is ANGURRY that he got shown up by Lucifer in front of literally everyone.
That was pretty funny. Figured he'd be a bit stronger for all his bravado towards Lucifer. Now I
m curious if it's because he's bound by his deal, or if he was just never that strong in the first place.
He was a moron who just jumped into a pack of wolf because he got a gun and tought he could just solo Lucifer, who is still has the strenght of an angel.
If instead he would have put some tought behind it, he could have used Charlie as a shield to beat Lucifer and use his lasers to actually kill the most wanted sinners instead of a bunch of cannibals
I clarified it there, he does not beat an angel at the level of Adam or Lucifer until Charlie, but he has the rank of overlord and can become as strong as some or weaker, but more than the average demons and exorcist angels. average >ars goetia
I really forgot, then it would be them on top of Alastor
I clarified it there, he does not beat an angel at the level of Adam or Lucifer until Charlie, but he has the rank of overlord and can become as strong as some or weaker, but more than the average demons and exorcist angels. average >ars goetia
I really forgot, then it would be them on top of Alastor
>ars goetia
We haven't seen any of the Goetia do fricking anything. The most we ever see is Stolas manifesting in the human world and doing some weaksauce spooky shit to scare some Humans. That's it. Stolas then utterly jobs to a fricking Imp who happens to have some angelic weapons.
I don't understand why people wank the Ars Goetia so much, much less Stolas out of all of them. People act like he's "le ub0r powerful" when he's done and shown literally nothing even remotely impressive. In fact, he's mostly shown to be kind of a b***h, considering he can't even defend himself from an Imp just because said Imp has holy weapons. I mean, Episode 8 of Hazbin shows that having holy weapons doesn't mean an automatic win against a demon, especially if they can harm you back. Excorcist angels are much more powerful than Imps, yet once the cast of Hazbin use angelic weapons of their own to be able harm the Excorcists the angels get fricking slaughtered without harming even a single one of the Hotel members - not counting Adam.
Basically, the Ars Goeita (and Stolas) are over-wanked and have more anti-feats than actual feats.
Only tangentially related, but picrel would still absolutely annihilate Stolas and we were completely robbed out of seeing that happen.
>but picrel would still absolutely annihilate Stolas and we were completely robbed out of seeing that happen.
Oh right. That death battle animation. Yeah, it was kind of a disappointment that they pussed out the Helluva Boss characters getting wiped. Would have been nice to watch Stolas get his shit kicked in, but The Vivziesisters would throw a fit and the creator of that animation probably wanted to avoid getting hounded by an army of gays for depicting their precious wooble getting mulched.
Anons brought up the power of Ars Goeita in Hazbin/Helluva hell, as an earlier topic of discussion was the power hierarchy of demons in Vivzie's Hell - and for some reason Ars Goeita are hyped up as being super strong despite them being shown to be rather pathetic. >And why are you so mentally ill over nonexistent powerlevel shit.
Fictional Vs. battle autism and powerlevelling is fun. No other reason. >Who?
Answer to your question is
>but picrel would still absolutely annihilate Stolas and we were completely robbed out of seeing that happen.
Oh right. That death battle animation. Yeah, it was kind of a disappointment that they pussed out the Helluva Boss characters getting wiped. Would have been nice to watch Stolas get his shit kicked in, but The Vivziesisters would throw a fit and the creator of that animation probably wanted to avoid getting hounded by an army of gays for depicting their precious wooble getting mulched.
and https://youtu.be/F-5gpW4sgHE?si=lDlC4QrBEfnq0q9a
When you think about her in conjunction with the show's established themes it falls into place: Adam wanted Lilith's obedience. Eve will foil Lilith; while she's all about hating subservience and breaking chains, Nifty is a parody of the stereotypical 50s housewife, 'likes being forced' and spends her time cooking, cleaning, and obsessing over men. Designed to be the epitome of Adam's submissive ideal, it makes sense Eve would choose a 50s housewife as her disguise, they resonate with her.
Also: >is a big mystery with no established motives or backstory >likes bad boys but also likes punishing them >She also doesn't like when they aren't bad boys anymore >was weirdly enamored with Sir Pentious in particular(a snake) and tells him to "never leave her again" >hasn't been confirmed to have made a deal with Alastor, unknown why she sticks around him. Could just be following him around to keep an eye on their deal. Alastor is also weirdly nice to her and lets her climb on him and always helps her >likes taking pieces of men for her "collection"(Val's fluff), might be a reference to how she was made from the piece of a man >is the one to ultimately kill Adam
Only hole I cant explain is that she doesn't recognize Lucifer
Actually not at all better than the Roo bullshit that looks cringe even for my standards
Go on Viv, steal this, we won't tell
3 months ago
Anonymous
Roo seems boring to me too. I think I could only possibly like it if Eve is not Roo but just the vessel for this primordial evil, perhaps give them a parasitic relationship, with Eve wanting revenge on both Heaven and Hell for screwing her over and thus being a convenient host.
I do hope that the story shown at the beginning of the show is in actuality a sanitized version of what happened told to Charlie rather than the whole truth. What happened to Eve is carefully omitted for a reason. As the first sinner she was likely the first person in Hell, suffering for the past ten thousand years all because she fell for the trick of a bad boy that then abandoned her.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>parasitic relationship with a primordial evil
Oh frick it's attack on titan's alien centipede thing all over again
3 months ago
Anonymous
> I do hope that the story shown at the beginning of the show is in actuality a sanitized version of what happened told to Charlie rather than the whole truth.
Judging by Lucifer’s pure selfishness and Rosie’s/Lilith’s cannibal districts, absolutely.
Lucifer is a foolish idiot that deserves to be in hell.
3 months ago
Anonymous
She admitted to actively changing Vaggies backstory to fit the fan theory of her being a ex-angel and that was executed horribly, the director has a special talent for taking interesting ideas and completely fumbling them
3 months ago
Anonymous
This show in general took a fun idea/concept and fumbled it >pitched as an episodic comedy about Lucifer's daughter trying to redeem sinners in a hotel so it's basically like fosters home but in hell >naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah it's actually some homosexual lorebait show that spends 90% of it's time worldbuilding and hell vs heaven but heaven is *gasp* actually evil and corrupt! wow I've never fricking seen this ever before
3 months ago
Anonymous
it reminds me of The Good Place, except that show is actually well written
at least the animation is good
Would be more interesting than Eve pretending to be Lilith tbh. I want Lilith to be an actual antagonist because it fits her character themes much better. You're telling me that the woman famous for leaving her first husband would hesitate to leave Lucifer if he's not acting up to standard and drowning in his own depression/pathetic resignation whilst she's ahouldering the burden of trying to empower hell's citizens? In the show we do see her take little Charlie away from Luci and it could be implied that this is what led to Charlie and Luci not being as close, maybe she kept them apart because she didn't want Luci to be a depressing influence and then considered her job done once Charlie hit adulthood so she decided to frick off to Heaven. (I know some people theorize that this was really Eve all along but that doesn't make sense because Lilith "disappeared" 7 years ago so that's when she would've been replaced, and Charlie is in her mid 20's so there's no way it's a fake Lilith in the flashback. Her face can just be covered to add to the mystery, or Charlie doesn't remember her mom that well anymore after having not seen her for so long.)
Ten thousand years is a long time to be married, Lilith doesn't have to be pure evil, she could've been loving at some point. Or she could be used to foil Adam because he was created to be the first man and also the toxic representation of one in the show's themes whilst Lilith, being the first woman and created the same way Adam was, could be the representation of a toxic woman(manipulative, selfish, etc.)
Would also be interesting to have Charlie deal with a threat the hotel can't punch away and that makes her question her goals.
Roo seems boring to me too. I think I could only possibly like it if Eve is not Roo but just the vessel for this primordial evil, perhaps give them a parasitic relationship, with Eve wanting revenge on both Heaven and Hell for screwing her over and thus being a convenient host.
I do hope that the story shown at the beginning of the show is in actuality a sanitized version of what happened told to Charlie rather than the whole truth. What happened to Eve is carefully omitted for a reason. As the first sinner she was likely the first person in Hell, suffering for the past ten thousand years all because she fell for the trick of a bad boy that then abandoned her.
Eve is also associated with sewing, and Niffty used to have a bigger emphasis on sewing and needles in her design, there's a lot of weird overlap between the two in this story the more you look into it
Careful anon, Viv is gonna steal this because you're putting more thought into Nifty than she ever did
Would be more interesting than Eve pretending to be Lilith tbh. I want Lilith to be an actual antagonist because it fits her character themes much better. You're telling me that the woman famous for leaving her first husband would hesitate to leave Lucifer if he's not acting up to standard and drowning in his own depression/pathetic resignation whilst she's ahouldering the burden of trying to empower hell's citizens? In the show we do see her take little Charlie away from Luci and it could be implied that this is what led to Charlie and Luci not being as close, maybe she kept them apart because she didn't want Luci to be a depressing influence and then considered her job done once Charlie hit adulthood so she decided to frick off to Heaven. (I know some people theorize that this was really Eve all along but that doesn't make sense because Lilith "disappeared" 7 years ago so that's when she would've been replaced, and Charlie is in her mid 20's so there's no way it's a fake Lilith in the flashback. Her face can just be covered to add to the mystery, or Charlie doesn't remember her mom that well anymore after having not seen her for so long.)
Ten thousand years is a long time to be married, Lilith doesn't have to be pure evil, she could've been loving at some point. Or she could be used to foil Adam because he was created to be the first man and also the toxic representation of one in the show's themes whilst Lilith, being the first woman and created the same way Adam was, could be the representation of a toxic woman(manipulative, selfish, etc.)
Would also be interesting to have Charlie deal with a threat the hotel can't punch away and that makes her question her goals.
Imagine being Lute and suddenly this little gremlin comes to you and tries to make you doubt your entire relationship with Adam. That would be freaky.
A lot of the work on the show is done by fans passionate about the project they're working on. Like the rape fetishist fujo who storyboarded Poison or the VoxVal animation director fujo who threw in all the fanservice with them at the end of the finale.
Leads to good results.
A lot of the work on the show is done by fans passionate about the project they're working on. Like the rape fetishist fujo who storyboarded Poison or the VoxVal animation director fujo who threw in all the fanservice with them at the end of the finale.
Leads to good results.
Doesn’t this mean that Logo knows a lot more about Adam and Lute to fully commit into it while everybody else seems to be hesitant about the other pairings.
Since Alastor has an ability to make sure cameras glitch out if they try to capture his image, Niffty would be in a silence trance when faced with the same situation, unable to speak or say anything. Some mistake it it as camera shy, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hold from Alastor or she did that purposely on herself.
That saying was on the tip of my tongue but it didn't occur to me, good catch
More details for you anon: >says "I HATED THAT SONG" about "It starts with sorry" because nobody offered her forgiveness that easily >nobody catches her in the trust fall exercise, not even Charlie, symbolizing how nobody was there for her as the og sinner >likes killing mama bugs in front of their young to spread a message (possible foreshadowing?) >Alastor is a momma's boy, Eve is the momma of humanity
If Eve = Roo as well then Niffty may possibly encapsulate the whole "Madonna-prostitute" complex; a woman who is polarized as being either the ultimate evil or the ultimate good, with her being paradoxically both as the perfect subvariant wife/mother and also a little menace/potential evil incarnate- considering her lack of pathos and motive compared to the other characters. I thought she had a needle weapon in the finale but its more of a dagger, would be too obvious I suppose considering she literally stabs Adam in the back
There's also the fact that Al is quite literally stitched up too and has the red eyes constantly watching him when he had his little breakdown, and on his mic, that are Roots motif. I might end up writing a personal list just to organize and tie all of these tidbits together. Now I'm sad this likely isn't going to be the case in the show since the director has the writing ability of a middle schooler, and if it is it'll be just as poorly executed as Vaggies angel reveal
3 months ago
Anonymous
>with her being paradoxically both as the perfect subvariant wife/mother and also a little menace/potential evil incarnate
Woah anon this is very smart! I would love that. Like Eve was the perfect submissive wife and then this parasitic entity(Roo) got introduced to her via the apple and gave her a new side. (BTW the designs that Viv created for Roo is overdesigned trash in the worst way, I hope that if she does keep that concept of a primordial evil then it stays disembodied or just possessing Eve)
And yeah I've accepted that all that I've built up in my head won't come true, it's likely that the simplest theory is the most likely, and in that one Lilith is just a good wife and mother while Eve is impersonating her for whatever reason.
Personally I like the idea of Lilith having not liked Eve(can't feel good to have a replacement be made of you, can it? Implies you're a defective prototype) so she was more than happy to have fricked her over.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It can also be argued that since Adam is supposed to be the epitome of a toxic male in the show(which isn't true because he actually worships pussy and listens to women as we see with Lute but anyway), and Lilith was made from the same stuff he was, then she can be the representation toxic feminity. Manipulativeness, selfishness, etc. She was the one empowering the demons of Hell, after all. If she did get tired of it and all fricked off to girlboss in Heaven after splitting with Lucifer because Lucifer wasn't stepping up as the husband she wanted due to his depression, then it still fully fits her themes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
when has adam ever shown he values lute's input and ideas when they differ from his own ?
lute is pretty much his attack dog so no shit they're chummy, but she's still very much a servant in that relationship
3 months ago
Anonymous
Did you miss episode 6? Lute grabs his collar and shushes him and stops him from going after Vaggie and Charlie when he wanted to. If he didn't value her input he wouldn't have let her do that. He only had an issue with her shushing him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's not input, she reminded him of his place as he was forgetting himself (more than usual). That's not really somethiing that is beyond the scope of a master/servant relationship, as servants can sometimes be expected to manage the master's mood in some ways, and yes, show authority when needed.
Again, we would need to see how he reacts when one of his most trusted girls goes against his orders.
Oh wait, we already saw what happened then.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That was Lute that did it to Vaggie though, not Adam. We don't know how he would've reacted if he'd come upon that scene. Not well, I'm sure, but it's not guaranteed he would've reacted as harshly as Lute. Lute is so bloodthirsty even Adam told her to chill.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lute got to her first but he was there for sure, even took her halo
3 months ago
Anonymous
That situation proves he trusts Lute enough to let her act upon her own judgement. He arrived late to the scene and didn't even inquire further. It's a pretty big thing for him to trust a woman without question considering his first two wives.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Given that it's been shown that they have a habit of hovering the battlefield while surveying together, it's more likely that he was already aware of what happened and just let lute dole out a punishment they probably had previous agreements on, even if only implicit ones.
More details for you anon: >says "I HATED THAT SONG" about "It starts with sorry" because nobody offered her forgiveness that easily >nobody catches her in the trust fall exercise, not even Charlie, symbolizing how nobody was there for her as the og sinner >likes killing mama bugs in front of their young to spread a message (possible foreshadowing?) >Alastor is a momma's boy, Eve is the momma of humanity
That saying was on the tip of my tongue but it didn't occur to me, good catch
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If Eve = Roo as well then Niffty may possibly encapsulate the whole "Madonna-prostitute" complex; a woman who is polarized as being either the ultimate evil or the ultimate good, with her being paradoxically both as the perfect subvariant wife/mother and also a little menace/potential evil incarnate- considering her lack of pathos and motive compared to the other characters. I thought she had a needle weapon in the finale but its more of a dagger, would be too obvious I suppose considering she literally stabs Adam in the back
There's also the fact that Al is quite literally stitched up too and has the red eyes constantly watching him when he had his little breakdown, and on his mic, that are Roots motif. I might end up writing a personal list just to organize and tie all of these tidbits together. Now I'm sad this likely isn't going to be the case in the show since the director has the writing ability of a middle schooler, and if it is it'll be just as poorly executed as Vaggies angel reveal
More details for you anon: >says "I HATED THAT SONG" about "It starts with sorry" because nobody offered her forgiveness that easily >nobody catches her in the trust fall exercise, not even Charlie, symbolizing how nobody was there for her as the og sinner >likes killing mama bugs in front of their young to spread a message (possible foreshadowing?) >Alastor is a momma's boy, Eve is the momma of humanity
even though they probably won't come true on the show itself, i love reading all these analyses about Nifty! They make her and her concept sound so interesting!
He doesn't know what it means according to viv. He still thinks he hasn't met "the one" yet. So when Rosie calls him an "ace in the hole" she means he's still in the closet.
I'm glad Alastor's not all-powerful. His vulnerability makes him a more interesting character. Characters aware of their own mortality are more cunning, and more prone to interesting plans that aren't as simple as "lol then i snap my fingers and win".
If the ending song is any indication, he's also becoming increasingly desperate. Desperation + vulnerability = drama.
I'm excited to see what wacky shit he'll get up to next, and let's not forget he managed to secure a deal with Charlie. Half-dead he may be, he's still got that in his pocket.
Curious to see what deal he made is. Probably one of the more interesting things. Though I'd like to get a better timeline of events. It seems like we went on his slaughterfest, calmed down, had some kind of media rivalry with the Vees instead of killing them like the rest, and then dissapeared. The question would be did he mellow out naturally before the thing with the Vees or did his deal start before that.
So why wasn't Alastor using heavenly weapons against Adam? He did get a drop on him a couple of times with his tentacles/shadows, if one of those had been holding an angel's blade he could have spiked Adam. And why did he stop dodging and just decided to tank that light wave? Did he get too wienery and ate shit because of that?
Yeah, the whole encounter was pretty silly. They were clearly going with Alastor being overconfident, but they didn't really show it well enough. What would have been better would have been him having weapons and brazenly tossing them aside or something.
He deliberately antagonized the king of Hell and lost his temper badly enough to drop an F-bomb at the guy. I guess he's so confident in his abilities that he does get overly proud and wienery sometimes.
I'm glad Alastor's not all-powerful. His vulnerability makes him a more interesting character. Characters aware of their own mortality are more cunning, and more prone to interesting plans that aren't as simple as "lol then i snap my fingers and win".
If the ending song is any indication, he's also becoming increasingly desperate. Desperation + vulnerability = drama.
I'm excited to see what wacky shit he'll get up to next, and let's not forget he managed to secure a deal with Charlie. Half-dead he may be, he's still got that in his pocket.
>I'm glad Alastor's not all-powerful. His vulnerability makes him a more interesting character.
Yeah, same. I dislike his character concept and expected him to be annoying, but in the end he wasn't too untouchable. It was satisfying to get a handful of moments where he got knocked down a peg or two.
>He deliberately antagonized the king of Hell and lost his temper badly enough to drop an F-bomb at the guy. I guess he's so confident in his abilities that he does get overly proud and wienery sometimes.
I think that was less about his wieneriness and more about him trying to assert dominance knowing that luci couldn't fight him since Charlie loves al so much.
How does it feel now that your man lost to Adam? That your rival, Sir Pentious, got to heaven, proving Alastor wrong that sinners can be redeemed? That your midget friend was the one to deal the final blow? And that he is chained by Lilith to watch over her daughter? Nobody gave a shit that he was gone missing for seven years.
>lilith has to go aganst charlie to keep her DEAL to be in heaven, formely with adam, and she DEALED with alastor to protect charlie >alastor wants to get rid of his DEAL w/ lilith and now has a favour DEAL in store from charlie >the Vees who want to off alastor now have opportunity to attack him if he ever lets his guard down, or if they get HELP FROM SOMEONE ELSE to deal with him
the pieces are in place. When will the dice be thrown?
I wish Alastor didn’t just Insta-regen back to full health like CoD the second he moved out of Adams lane of attack, and we got a ‘giant in the hospital’ episode where Charlie and co’ had to give him TL&C in his hotel room while he recovers. So I could then self insert as the one giving Alastor TL&C of course
And everyone is actually picking on him for once since he has no way to scare or intimidate them in that moment.
These 8 episodes had less happening than a 40 minute special and a 90minute movie.
This show needed badly the 10 minute slice of life episode handle. Hell make it 5 or 7 minute episodes, it's all about the idea.
However there's another problem ... Vivziepop cannot write even slice of life properly. The characters were incredibly static and there was so little fighting, the few fights that happen are off screen.
This creepypasta tumblr sexyman Gary Stu should’ve stayed on deviantart, wow so cool and edgy hes always smiling and he’s mysterious and ultra powerful oooo…gimme a break Viv
Main thing on my mind is that I don't really see Alastor as aroace. I think he's just a huge narcissist and is more attracted to the idea of power that can reinforce his self image than anything else. Charlie is an optimistic romantic at heart, so with Alastor trying to become her right hand man, she can't help but look at his actions through rose-tinted glasses. Whether or not Alastor is attracted to Charlie's looks, he's completely attracted to the way he can control her or physically interact with her. He wants to touch her and be close to her to suit his own needs regardless of how it makes Charlie feel. He may or may not be too stupid to realize that he actually wants her and not just her power, but that's a more idealized way of looking at it. Realistically, it's more of a "mine, mine, mine" mentality where he takes something so someone else can't have it. Charlie is just unfortunately a sweet person.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds interesting. You got a place where you post your art?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but I don't use it.
Nice, I like a good old obsessive/possessive relationship from the man in this dynamic. I wouldn't mind seeing this if you ever decide to actualize it, hopefully in these threads.
Not enough content like that these days. Here's one more before bed. Not sinister enough, maybe next time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bummer.
Cute!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cute that Alastor wanted to check if Charlie's black lips were natural (was satisfied that they are).
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice, I like a good old obsessive/possessive relationship from the man in this dynamic. I wouldn't mind seeing this if you ever decide to actualize it, hopefully in these threads.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't really see Alastor as aroace
Don't worry, apparently the term means literally nothing
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is exactly how I see Alastor too
and he wasn't always "aroace" that was a retcon so it's meaningless anyway
Hey sinners
My name is Adam, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are sex obsessed, violent, crackprostitutes who spend every second of their day trying to get your asses into heaven. You are everything bad in the afterlife. Honestly, have any of you ever not comitted sin? I mean, I guess it's to frick some hot halo puss, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to that hooker Angel Dust.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was the first man to ever live, and the first mortal to ever make it into heaven. What accomplishments have you got, other than "make a piss stained hotel"? I also have an army of angels, and have a banging hot l
lieutenant
(She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all sinners who should just have a nice day.
Stolas sucks at direct fighting. It's less about raw power and more about how you use what you do have. Alastor's been fighting other demons for a long time, and only finally jobbed when he tried to fight a high-ranking angel.
Like how Charlie is theoretically one of the most powerful hell beings, only below her father, but she sucks at fighting and has never really had to use it.
He should have stayed in hiding instead of returning to the Hotel immediately, because now the power vacuum the Vee's talked about makes no sense since nothing happened but Rosie losing some cannibals.
I'm actually glad he got rekt, because now people can shut the frick up. Some Cinemaphile loserlord just the other day tried to tell me that Alastor would beat Lucifer. Well, obviously not. Is he strong? Sure. Is the strongest? It would be ridiculous to even consider it.
What's with writers making fan favorites frauds in every fricking story now anyway? Why can't they just let people enjoy things? Alastor, Gojo, Eren, Trump, LeBron, Mihawk, Sasuke, Thanos, Verbalase, Thor in GoW Ragnarok, Bidenomics, Fire Lord Ozai where does it end?
>What's with writers making fan favorites >Alastor
Choose ONLY one. Who likes Alastor anyway, Adam exposed him as a fraud literal who edgelord and his radio gimmick is lame.
>Who likes Alastor anyway
I do
and Viv likes him so much she made up that he's "asexual" because she doesn't want other people thirsting over him
Well too bad c**t
>a show about Charlie's wacky hijinks trying to redeem sinners? >he unironically believes vivzie actually plays out a show's premise straight
LA
MAYO
>why are you autists obsessing over power levels
dude, the show spends so much fricking time worldbuilding canon power levels and Hell's hierarchy and a lot of fight scenes. If anybody is obsessed with power levels it's Vivzie
I can't believe how much the show fricked up the original premise. >Hell has an overpopulation issue. Haha actually no... Heaven are just doing it to stop Hell from growing too powerful. >no episodic clients. >barely makes use of the Hotel setting. >Nobody ever thought about standing their ground and fighting back against the exterminators before for... reasons. >Vaggie forgets that angel weapons can also hurt exterminators because she's moronic. >Angelic weapons can perma-kill Angels themselves for reasons. >Lucifer on his daughter's side now. Most powerful being in Hell being fine with the Hotel idea takes away any stakes. Charlie in danger? just call Luci
You need to remember that Hell is Lucifers punishment. He can't help her with heavens politics. He's bound to the same law of contracts that the sinners have with each other. Charlie can't just snub alastors deal, just like Charlie can't do shit to help angel free himself from Valentino. Honestly in s2 it's probably going to be revealed that you can't go to heaven while your soul is owned by someone else. You also saw how pissed Lucifer was at Alastor because he couldn't stop his daughter from trusting him.
>only criteria for getting into heaven is dying without a balance on your soul tab
That would be insanely hilarious. Something so simple but still incredibly hard for everyone to do. Like not racking up credit card debt.
It's basically a backwards progression, season 1 here feels like what season 2 would've been with all the heightening stakes and what not. Now apparently season 2 is when the hotel ACTUALLY becomes relevant? You need to work these things up, not blow your load right out of the gate. Any proper show runner would've had the first season be a slice of life about Charlie being a underdog struggling to keep her hotel afloat to sell the viewers on the characters and setting first.
it would have also given the show the time to actually introduce the overlords and the setting, every episode could have been trying to redeem and underling of one of those overlords or something, or at least an inhabitant of a specific district
but this show just wanted to get the cool shit to happen, without actually building up to it first so it all falls flat.
It's basically a backwards progression, season 1 here feels like what season 2 would've been with all the heightening stakes and what not. Now apparently season 2 is when the hotel ACTUALLY becomes relevant? You need to work these things up, not blow your load right out of the gate. Any proper show runner would've had the first season be a slice of life about Charlie being a underdog struggling to keep her hotel afloat to sell the viewers on the characters and setting first.
There's literally no reason to go to the Hotel in a cynical shithole like Hell unless the concept of redemption is proven first, though. Angel outright admitted he used the place as a crash pad with free booze before he actually started liking the people there and Sir Pentious had nowhere else to go and Charlie and the rest of the hotel were the first people to show him kindness.
Besides, people already complained constantly about how there's too many damn characters, do you really want another sinner of the week like seven episodes straight on top of actually setting up the next seasons threats of the V's, Lilith, Heaven itself, and Alastor?
>Start of S1 - no one believes in the hotel >AD has his character arc >People see he's more at peace and start to filter in >Season finale is Vox and Alastor doing some political shit that gets the hotel involved >As it's resolved have Adam show up and shit all over everything >Hook for season 2 after characters are fleshed out and setting is established
It writes itself
>People see he's more at peace and start to filter in
In between the wieners pulling in and out of his mouth? Anon AD had his character arc but he still loves to blow shit up and frick dudes. He stood up to Valentino and that was a strong personal victory, but the only thing people are gonna see is how hard Valentino fricks him in the ass the next day. Being at peace itself is nice but less so when the threat of eternal oblivion is still naught but a few months away, which was and still is why the hotel is a thing in the first place.
>Season finale is Vox and Alastor doing some political shit that gets the hotel involved
Like what? The only reason Vox and the rest of the V's have the balls to plan their power grab is because they seen Alastor get his shitpushed in and recorded it for all of Hell to see, diminishing his credibility and making him look week. The only other time he's even tried anything was the cowardly act of sending Sir Pent as a spy and that failed immediately.
The second Vox tries anything outright to threaten the Hotel or Alastor himself in S1 would be the end of him, just like Alastor did all those Overlords of old prior.
The only thing that could really work under the assumption of eight episodes is Adam being the bad of S2 like he is now, but that assumes you'd have enough gas or a S3 leftover to deal with Lilith and the hotel proving itself to work, since no sinner going to heaven before S2 is the only way to make the Adam plot actually work, since Heaven's higher-ups would be forced to halt any exterminations and reevaluate the entire method at which they deal with sinners. And Adam wouldn't dare disobey an order from up high unless becoming fallen himself which it'd render the exterminations moots entirely, removing the main threat of the show.
There should've been minimal or no Heaven or Overlord politics in Season 1. Save Overlords/rivalry with the V's for Season 2 and a Heaven war for 3. Final villain reveal in 4 if it managed to last that long.
But I guess they weren't guaranteed anything immediately so they half-assed it all in 8 short episodes.
Redemption would imply taking responsibility and accountability, when people like vivzie just want to blame authority and fantasize about being genocided by them because of their victim complex and use this as an excuse to never change
But in Viv’s story, Adam and Lute are the most loving parents the sinners ever have. And it’s the lack of authority, responsibility, and accountability that allowed Hell and the sinners to end up so badly. Because Lucifer is not a good enough person to be that authority figure and he’s an evil monster through and through that deceives sinners like he deceived Lilith and Eve. If you seen the final episode, his “evil form” looks like a mad science experiment gone horribly wrong.
I know. I got sold a lie about this show because I thought it was gonna be wacky redemption adventures (like it was marketed).
But people don't seem to care because it's all style, no substance anyway.
Because it’s fun for me to imagine if Hazbin Hotel was a shonen series with power levels, fight-homosexualry, and agendas >Lend me some of that Holy Spirit Lute, this is BASE NIFTY we’re up against
unironically too intelligent for this garbage. I keep watching this to see if anything anyone posted, as a story, or musical this is has a leg to stand on. Turns out it doesn't so I'm really trying to figure out who this appeals to outside of nostalgia glitterdog artists from 2000 scene era.
Hiding in the same hole as the IDIOT AND COWARD who was trying to claim that Husker was only implying Alastor was on a leash to Mimzy in E5 when it was so obvious what the story was actually hinting at.
I might be mis remembering things, but his Radio Station was a wreck even after the magic rebuilding project. Maybe that thing acts like a sort of phylactery and he regened off of that. Even if I'm mistaken I don't think avoiding damage counters how he completely overestimated the strength of his deal with Charlie and got his ass beat because of it. He and the Vees will probably play a bigger role in season 2 so this is subject to change.
Him being humiliated on livestream, hopefully, will play a part. He seems to really value his reputation and all the rumours regarding him.
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Anonymous
Shit didn't even think of that. He gets pissy at even the slightest diss. Now he has to suffer the wrath of the Vox network playing his greatest failure on loop for everyone to see. Frick season 2 can't come soon enough
It's going to the moon. Thanks to Vox Security. Now that the Vees know how it's done they can genuinely be a protection racket should Sera try to strike back at Hell.
Ive been waiting for Kaisen edits for this show for about a month and they finally came in the best way imaginable. I told people to invest in Luci stocks to make a profit instead but no one listened
I couldn't actually see myself putting more than beer money into Vox stock.
For me, I do think it's a prime time to load up on the Nifty cheapies. She unjustly took a hit due to the Fraudastor fiasco, so it's definitely time to buy.
What the Jobaster posters don’t tell you is that he fought Adam WITHOUT an angelic weapon which is required for killing an angel. Like no shit he wasn’t gonna win, either Al thought he could genuinely handle him or attempted to keep him distracted from the others.
I think what happened to Alastor is representative of Vivzie’s psyche. Vivzie has literally said shit like Alastor was her middle school OC/he saw her in a dream, and I think, for years and years, most of her life, Alastor was her perfect sexyman boyfriend, played straight (literally, because he was allowed to be sexual back then) as her ultimate demon man boyfriend lover protector, and probably her weird dad figure to since fujos always have a weird relationship with their father. But ever since Vivzie got dumped/abused by her boyfriend (very messy trying to figure out what happened there, but either it FRICKED vivzie up) Vivzie’s fragile sexuality, already damaged by her fujo ness, was destroyed. Vivzie is genuinely not capable of enjoying lust unless it’s in the context of two traumatized twink gay tumblr sexyman, because vivzie was already a fujo and then her boyfriend (who she said was similar to Alastor) dumped her/abused her and she’s basically sworn off men since. Veggie and Charlie became lesbians (who don’t have sex) because of that, Alastor, the most obvious sexyman in history, became ACE, and it even translates to the writing: Vivzie first saw Alastor as her dream, her ultimate protector/boyfriend/dad, and she was probably closer to charlie in that dynamic. But now vivzie hates men and has grown past her tastes for Alastor but won’t let him go. So what happens to him? He’s a fricking JOBBER who gets his ass beat and mindbroken, he’s no longer the protector boyfriend of Charlie who no longer needs him, he’s superfluous, probably subconsciously hated by Vivzie. And only exists to be a traumatized twink because vivzie is a dysfunctional fujo who can only seem to identify with abused and traumatized twink men despite Alastor being created as an all powerful protector demon figure who should be invulnerable and invincible. It’s going to get a lot worse in the future.
okay okay, call me a copeer, but im pretty sure Alastor wasn't trying to win, he went up against the strongest executioner and didn't bring an angelic weapon, someone he KNOWS is needed to harm them. Honestly if his deal is with Lilith it makes sense he wasn't trying to kill Adam (some clause about not killing people close to her) but instead stalled for time, he just held back a bit too much and got caught off guard
I kind of disagree. His monologue in the ruined radio station makes it seem like he was TRYING to break the confines of his deal if anything else. "There must be a back door". Adam could've been an unwitting part of the chains that bind him. Alastor just got wienery and let his guard down.
but if not killing people close to Lilith is part of his deal he wouldn't be able to do that and ignore the deal, like how Husk can't just say 'frick it' and fly away from Alastor, I assume it works with him having to play in the confines of the deal made and he wants a backdoor to get out of the conditions he's currently under
Ohh I think I get it now. He might've been trying to just incapacitate Adam long enough so that Nifty could finish him off. Basically what Lucifer was doing, only he beefed it. That would allow him to follow the rules while still getting what he wants.
Man, isn't funny looking back at us freaking out about the leaks, how we all thought Adam being an exorcist was going to be the stupidest thing ever? And then he ends up being the most beloved Vivienne character since Loona, possibly more so, and he was written for us to absolutely hate him? It's pretty funny.
I feel like it was very tonaly weird that it takes losing the fight for charlie to finally start taking an active role (what, you didn't care enough before to try your hardest ?) and for lucifer to finally join in (what, your daughter was slated for execution and but you had better things to do ?)
I feel like it's somewhat implied by adam's banter that charlie wasn't an authorized target until she actually started fighting back, but it's never outright stated and the implication is very weak so I'm not sure either.
This show just does an excessively poor job of communicating the stakes of any situation (Husk pretending he had any choice in the matter of staying when he's doing what alastor is telling him to do is another good example, don't pretend you're one of them when you're forced to being here).
How will the Vee's function as villains for the second season? They may look happy about Alastor being defeated by Adam but the second episode already showed that at least Vox is inferior to Alastor.
>the second episode already showed that at least Vox is inferior to Alastor.
not so sure. val says that alastor "almost beat" vox so either vox won, they tied or the fight fizzled out before it ended. so vox is at least on par with alastor alone. if he's got the other vees and whatever other support he's gathered over the seven years that alastor is gone, he could win. plus alastor might be in a weakened state since adam fricked him up. plus you just know that vox is going to show the video of alastor getting fricked on every media outlet he can and that's going to cause trouble
but i think the bigger vee role will be more of valentino and angel dust. maybe velvette will finally do something
I don't know, if the fight between Alastor and Vox had ended in a draw or with Vox winning I think Vox's attitude would be quite different and he would have mentioned it when he announced Alastor's return in the second episode. It seems to me that the fight was going to end with Alastor's victory but for some reason he didn't finish it.
Idt anyone knows but Vaggie, and even she didn't hear the exact terms. It's pretty much only Alastor and Charlie who know how far reaching the blank check was she gave him. Maybe not Charlie rlly cause she doesn't seem to realize how bad she got fricked.
Yeah, Charlie shows a surprising amount of trust and affection towards Alastor even after the deal, she literally looked the happiest when Alastor returned after the battle even though you would think she would be on guard seeing as Alastor still has some power over her thanks to the deal.
I'm still hoping Viv explains at some point how the whole deal concept works. Like is it just something former sinners can do? We've seen no deals among the hellborn in helluva boss, so could Charlie make her own deal if she was so inclined? Interesting questions.
I honestly always saw the Vees as the typical nouveau riche, who think they are the best and it's only a matter of time before they have it all, while in reality everyone else in the same position sees them as a bunch of idiots who are not as powerful as they think and don't know what they are getting into. The fact that the other Overlords don't seem to have any respect for them and don't seem to care that the three of them are working together only adds to my belief.
Yeah that was my assumption too, especially since their spheres of influence, or at least Vox's, are fairly modern inventions. They got their power very fast and messy, but they lack the respect and seniority needed to be taken seriously. Especially since even among their trio Valentino' seems like a frick-up the other two only tolerate most of the time as muscle.
I mean the Vees DO have tangible influence and power, even if it's niche. Vox controls television, Velvette is basically their pr celebrity, and Valentino controls the sex trade. Between the three of them they've basically cornered the entire entertainment/vice industry in Pride. That's notable.
You are correct that they don't really have the respect of the other overlords, but they've also made it clear they don't think they need it. I think the main weakness of the group is that they are basically a matched set. All three of them think they are the most important V even if Vox is the de facto team leader. Does anyone think someone like Velvette could win a fistfight vs Alastor or Carmella? Not likely, but if all three of them leverage their resources at once it would be strong.
Honestly the fact that they are the only overlords who seem to understand the power that comes from being in a formal coalition is kind of strange.
Yeah, the biggest problem with the Vees is that they think they're superior to everyone and it's only a matter of time before they have complete control, even though in reality it's shown that the only reason they're still there is because the other overlords don't even consider them worth noticing. You just have to see how Valentino only stays alive because Charlie is too good to take him out or tell Lucifer how he licked her arm.
I can't feel any stakes going forward for the cast of either show. IMP has Stolas backing them up and the Hotel crew has Lucifer basically cool with them and on their side. (they made use of the owl in that "death battle" so Stolas could bail IMP out of getting obliterated by Murder Drones)
I do not like the show at all but credit where it is due, I actually do really like that they didn't make this fricker a Gary Stu and knew when to hold back.
Disappointed since having his mask become his actual face would be a great metaphor for the ugliness in his soul/the front he puts up physically manifesting, also the mask look is just much cooler
Begin the day with a friendly voice
A companion, unobtrusive
Plays that song that's so elusive
And the magic music makes your morning mood
Off on your way, hit the open road
There is magic at your fingers
For the spirits ever lingers
Undemanding contact in your happy solitude
Invisible airwaves crackle with life
Bright antennas bristle with the energy
Emotional feedback on a timeless wavelength
Bearing a gift beyond price, almost free
All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty
Yeah, your honesty
One likes to believe in the freedom of music
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity, yeah
For some reason every other Japanese Hazbin Hotel fan I see on Twitter is a Golden Kamuy fan
I kind of get it though, they both have over the top characters, homos and dick jokes galore
Bro how the frick do I deal with having to wait 2 years for all these dumb cliffhangers to resolve. I hate that this is some indie shit that can't push out even a full season. I'm gonna lose my mind.
So what do you think is going to happen to Pentious? Why did he materialize in front of Emily and Sera instead of at the gate to meet with Peter? Will Sera try to hide Pent's redemption from Heaven and Charlie because if a Sinner could achieve redemption that means there was an alternative solution to the whole mass genocide thing.
>pic
that made me get teary eyed. what the frick. hazbin hotel has a grasp on my emotions that i didn't expect.
i just thought it was going to be a funny adhd furries in hell show. now i'm sitting here fantasizing about Pentious regaling Emily with stories of Hell, the egg boys adventuring around the new hotel, and shit. i might write a fricking fanfic.
Holy shit that art is precious. And I do think Sera will try to hide Pent's redemption while Emily is gonna be pissed about it. It seems like a sacrifice might be required to be redeemed. I really hope the main cast doesn't find out about his redemption right away.
this show has triggered my dormant autism and i want to spend the next 5 years of my life obsessing over every detail of it and talking with other obsessed lunatics in the fandom about it, but i don't have twitter and refuse to create one, and from what i've seen that's where most of the core fandom is.
are there any other places i can look? where can i go from here? Cinemaphile isn't enough.
i've never liked a cartoon enough to want to actively seek out the fandom before. please help.
You sound just like me 4 years ago. I never used Twitter or was in any fandom until I got into Hazbin. There is a small fandom on Tumblr but Tumblr doesn't allow nsfw content, which, frick that. Just give in, anon...
The funniest thing to me is that apparently he DID say "Leave Adam to ME!" since Charlie and everyone else agreed that Alastor was supposed to take care of Adam. He unironically said the fricking line that people were shitposting about in here for weeks,kek.
his voice effects going away for the "what just happened? ffffrick" after getting hit by Adam was a really good choice, but I hope they don't overuse that.
>Doesn't beat Adam >Doesn't beat Lute >Does the "leave him to me!" thing but actually jobs >Next big enemy has to be Lillith and she is most likely the one who owns his soul and much stronger than him so he won't be beating anyone
It's over. I can't cope any further. Frick you Vaggie you took Alastor's only chance at a win.
Yeah but you bet he is gonna be losing until Charlie does something and he wins through the power of friendship or some shit, making it an anti-feat for Al.
god that would be lame. i'd much rather see something like
>Al betrays the hotel in some way >does some "i got what I wanted, bye" speech >disappears again, nobody knows where he is >Vees show up at the hotel to fight for some reason (Val and Angel drama? Vox wanting to use attacking the hotel and streaming it on every TV in hell as bait to drag Alastor out of wherever he disappeared to?) >it's a losing fight and the hotel gang is getting destroyed >Al shows up and fricks up the vees >"oh alastor, you do care!"
All it means is that Alastor can't win against high-tier angels normally. If the tentacles were all wielding angel spears though, he probably would've stood a decent chance of killing Adam. Guess he just forgot and didn't try it though.
Viv blocks people just for making jokes about her shows' flaws, so I can see her wanting to go out of her way to specifically sink Charlastor. OTOH with how crazy shipping wars have gotten, there's a benefit to at least spelling out that some ships aren't happening. In a vacuum there's nothing off about Charlie rolling her eyes at the idea that she and Alastor are dating or specifying that Alastor doesn't do romance/sex.
>https://hazbinhotel.com/#products
Only has pins and the trading cards rn. >https://sharkrobot.com/collections/hazbin-hotel
Has other stuff, but not a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised if this part of Viv's store closes up within the year.
did sir pentious become a seraphim?
because his cobra hood has 6 indentations like wings and why did he appear in front of sera and emily? wouldn't it make more sense if he appeared at the front gates?
>tfw Alastor will never stir you out of a depression by crawling into your bed and girlishly kicking his feet as you vent your woes
i wish i was charlie so bad
Dunno how he does it but >Mimzy >Nifty >Rosie >Charlie (?) >Various ladies from the cannibal colony >Vox >AD (but then again he flirts with anyone who owns a dick)
Alastor harem a la Ranma 1/2 spin-off when?
So what will they do with alastor. I'm surprised viv made him less of a gary stu but that's good. But no way Viv doesn't have him get some redemption in the next season. Maybe he shows his mettle against the vees since they will no doubt come after him after smelling blood.
alastor is very much the big bad of the show, or possibly the one that will unwittingly make an even bigger bad rise up. He's a remorseless murderer that has never been characterized as caring about anything but power and his own entertainment. He might not be the most powerful entiity in the show but he's certainly the most driven. He cannot be redeemed as he would need the capacity to care about something that is not himself for that, and he seems to lack that entirely.
>never been characterized as caring about anything but power and his own entertainment >he would need the capacity to care about something that is not himself for that, and he seems to lack that entirely.
you're just plain wrong here. they made a point of showing that he does like and care about mimzy and is happy to take care of any problems she has. his friendship with rosie seems genuine at the surface. and his conversation with nifty is meant to show how the hotel group is growing on him.
Alastor is just a very fake person that knows how to ingratiate himself to people that might be useful later. That's his whole deal. He threw mimzy out the second she was more trouble than she was worth. That's absolutely not caring lmao.
>He threw mimzy out the second she was more trouble than she was worth. That's absolutely not caring lmao.
He told Mimzy to leave after she was a shit friend that used him and put the hotel in danger. Pretty fair thing to do. He reacted much calmer about it than a lot of people would have.
You are insanely naive if you think the guy that has been obviously playing nice to charlie only to get her to sign a deal with her isn't like this in all his relationships, just gonna leave it at that.
Alastor won't be the big-bad lmao, At worse he'll do a forced / moment of passion betrayal and then come crying back to the main cast begging forgiveness for what he did because he had a 'Oh my god...No...this is all wrong...i made a mistake!' Zuko moment. And then maybe do an actual heroic sacrifice at the end of the show making his meltdown at end of S1 poignant.
He clearly let it slip to Niffty that he actually has grown to like living with Charlie and Co', Literally the one person he has ZERO reason or need to lie to.
He does care about something other than himself. He cares about retribution and his own twisted sense of justice. He's not completely evil. Viv compares him to Dexter and it's shown in his comic that he likes to protect those who are weak and of fairer means. His name means spirit of revenge. Viv keeps saying he's an anti hero. But like
Alastor won't be the big-bad lmao, At worse he'll do a forced / moment of passion betrayal and then come crying back to the main cast begging forgiveness for what he did because he had a 'Oh my god...No...this is all wrong...i made a mistake!' Zuko moment. And then maybe do an actual heroic sacrifice at the end of the show making his meltdown at end of S1 poignant.
He clearly let it slip to Niffty that he actually has grown to like living with Charlie and Co', Literally the one person he has ZERO reason or need to lie to.
says the show is definitely setting him up to pick between his friends he hates to admit he's grown fond of or betray them in some way.
Honestly, Lucifer is way more evil than Alastor. He simply pretends that he is a good guy while gloating about his evil deeds and changing his face to whoever is near him. While Alastor doesn’t want to be manipulating others into thinking he’s a good boy and he’s their friend.
I think Rosie/Lilith might’ve been crying to herself all night when she heard about what Lucifer said about her on live TV. Because we didn’t see her appear after the Lucifer and Adam fight. And Alastor, Lilith’s puppet, was missing for quite a bit of time and tried to urge that he is no one’s friend… So that’s why Alastor was so being so sad, guilty, and regretful on making them think he made a “heroic sacrifice” for them. That stupid tiny packet clown!!!
Lucifer is legit next to pure evil in this Universe. Even in comparison to other fallen angels in HB. He deserved everything bad that happened to him. He is literally still the same exact evil snake in the garden of Eden from eons ago.
>It was a really bad call to kill him
He was wearing a lamb mask. He’s prepared to die since the start to be the sacrifice.
He’s destined to return and reach the hearts of sinners and winners with his love
Lute is isolated from Adam for a time, and will be tempted to betray Adam like Eve and Lilith did at Eden.
>gets hit once
>WALLAHI IM FINISHED
He's a fraud, I haven't seen someone turn out so fraudulent since the king of frauds himself
Takaba won btw
Of course he did any scene with Takaba is peak literature
But is he alive? Or his just going to lie there pretending to be dead until the arcs over?
Of course he's alive, it wouldn't be funny if he died after all.
He's Kenjaku's new body
he did
It's amazing how Meguna has no sauce compared to yuji Sukuna or Sukuna: forma da ogre
Just like the real Megumi
gojo still lost.
Vivzie heard you calling him a gary stu so he humbled him.
Also turns out he's literally being forced to smile by magic stitches.
yeah put in ALL the edge boy tropes in this one viv. Don't fricking hold back.
I hate this show.
I guess only Stolas is allowed to be mysterious and powerful
wait when was this scene
frame when charlie made the deal with him
so all of alastor's "voodoo" powers are just a result of whoever has him whipped? at least that makes more sense
In fairness, I believe we already saw that he's covered in stiches when he did his big lanklet transformation when he was yelling at Vox during their song.
I missed that
it looks more like the stitches are holding him back
yes, can't eat anyone if your mouth is bound.
I thought they took the voodoo shit out.
>Lilith did this to him
>Adam saved his sinners
Hahahaha Imagine actually seeking Lucifer and Lilith in this show.
>Pick Lucifer or Lilith as your parents over Adam and Lute
>You get this
Yeah, Adam and Lute are meant to be the only truly good parents of humanity in this Universe.
He's a paper tiger, all he does it pick on weaklings...like Gojo.
He wasn't allowed to go to Restraint Level 0
REPEAT AFTER ME!
JOBASTOR!
Alastor's deal is the only creative load Vivzie hasn't blown yet
With whom was the deal made? (Ignore leakers) Why would an overlord, who lives and thrives on these deals and knows full well that his station doesn't make him immune, make such a deal? What even IS the deal? He mentions "unclipping (his) wings" and clearly thought he could handle Adam better than he did, so what is the REAL extent of his power?
All of these questions will be answered in the first three minutes of season two and then he will be killed after cashing in his deal with Charlie
>With whom was the deal made? (Ignore leakers)
Eve, the "Root of All Evil".
Why would an overlord, who lives and thrives on these deals and knows full well that his station doesn't make him immune, make such a deal?
Ego + he did it while alive
What even IS the deal?
He wanted power in a generic sense but some other reasons we'll see later.
>He mentions "unclipping (his) wings" and clearly thought he could handle Adam better than he did, so what is the REAL extent of his power?
Assumed he was empowered by Eve + the consumption of overlord souls more than he was, or going further out in full public view would expose his nature as Eve's puppet.
FRAUDdam lost
>fraud-a-stor
Man got b***h made real fricking quick. Quicker than gege killing of gojo bruh
Get fricked JOBastor
>Vox got hard over his suffering
So when is he gonna rape Alastor?
Pregastor season 2?
>Why don't u both get fricking room for talking a shit out!
This is the state of Zoomer grammar
The artist is a south asian
best moment of the series
>AIAIAIAI ADAM SAMA I KNEEL
How many sinners watching this got aroused at seeing the Radio Demon in this state? He's perfect for raping
Shut up Viv
Everyone knows about your gross rape fetish, don't try to jam it down our throats against our will
>against our wills
>I'm being forced to watch this
?
It was a rape joke, anon. Don't be so obtuse, you might make a friend.
The AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEstor
No joking, this is how Adam should have been written
Like the same bastard but instead of talking about his dick all day, just claim that his horrible actions are in the name of god and he love killing for him
>I work for god so this made my actions rightful
>If curbstomping your sinful friend on the ground was so bad, then why god let me do it?
>GOD I LOVE KILLING!!!! ᵢₙ ₜₕₑ ₙₐₘₑ ₒf ₜₕₑ fₐₜₕₑᵣ ₜₕₑ ₛₒₙ ₐₙd ₜₕₑ ₕₒₗᵧ ₛₚᵢᵣᵢₜ *ₛᵢgₙ ₒf ₜₕₑ cᵣₒₛₛ* ₐₘₑₙ
Viv refuses to directly acknowledge the existence of God in this story. In fact, he may not exist within it at all.
Which makes sense, integrating an Omnipotent and Omniscient character into the narrative in a way that makes sense and doesn't evaporate all stakes is well beyond her capabilities as a writer.
could be done with the Small Gods approach
It's also territory that's really tired. Preacher/The Boys are now in social conscious, both of which show an all-powerful character as an idiot or neglectful.
They could just keep with the gnostic approach and show God as being a passive entity that leaves it up to his agents. Or have him be like Chaos in Hades and be too big to really impose himself upon the setting without smothering out evil by presence alone and letting things play out because he'd rather see redemption than obliterate all of Hell.
Another issue is that you can only go so sacrilegious when Charlie is basically taking the role of a Christ figure preaching redemption of sinners, holding onto and preaching about the importance of faith as her world stands against her and the powers that be want her dead.
For all its imagery the show is weirdly Christian in theme.
It would have been cool if they were supposed to be holy crusades instead of simply some weird extermination. Like instead of killing for entertainment they'd be doing it for more self-rightous reasons
yeah the whole extermination thing is pointless as it doesn't matter how many sinners are in hell when the most powerful beings in heaven could snap their fingers and kill them all
“Umm if killing you is wrong then why does the benevolent omniscient being not stop me?”
STOP LAUGHING AT HIM! He has the power of Radio!!
It's like drawn by Adam himself
Adam is Ben Garrison?
Fricking amazing art
>behold the power that can defeat Adam
>amateur radio!
Fantastic
Don’t the Cherubs, Lucifer, and Vaggie prove that Charlie and Emily are wrong? You can get kicked out of Heaven for quite a few reasons, and they aren’t allowed to do whatever they want.
That Drawgay did it again
HAH
>Yamchastor doing the Yamcha pose
>"This is better than sex!"
Cuckentino
Probably my favorite moment in the entire show lmao
>Sir Pentious "died"
>but made it to Heaven
I dunno how to feel about this. It's nice that he actually got what he wanted in the end and proved that the Hotel isn't a lost cause but I fear him being "redeemed" might give him less screentime.
>spends an entire episode fricking with Lucifer and insulting him
>turns out he is not only much weaker but had no idea how to even harm an angel back them
What was his plan if Lucy decided to frick him up?
Lucifer would get disowned by his daughter? The whole point behind Alastor insulting him to his face was to demonstrate the soft power he has over Lucifer.
Its like DBZA's Tien and Vegeta dynamic.
"At this point its a game, and if he kills me I win, and he KNOWS it.."
Breaking the haughty is my favorite troupe and man, he BROKE
Is Charlie completely insane? Why does she keep nerfing her true power level since she could actually maim Adam without trying?
I doubt she holding back when Adam was kicking her ass. That blocking his punch bit was a sudden bit of true power that she didn't know she had.
Wasn't this series supposed to be about rehabilitating sinners?
He had to get humbled before he could get rehabilitated or some shit idk
No I mean the series doesn't have any of that shit happening outside of Pentious
It still very clearly is. Just look at what's happening on screen and the lyrics of the song being sung during the finale of first season.
None of these payoffs feel remotely earned.
Your pet project get an 'F' in all boxes.
Next time don't timeskip over months of character development in your show about bad people improving themselves.
Viv has to speed past everything because she only has 2 seasons.
i actually liked that he got knocked on his ass and humbled for once. it shows that he isn't as dangerous now as even he thought he was.
>bottom alastor canon
Based
alastor canon
How so?
He's literally meant to be egotistical and over-sure of himself.
The reason he's so ANGURY at the end of Episode 8 is because
>He jobbed to Adam
>Lucifer who he has a beef with had to fly in and rescue everybody
>Everyone, Including [Not sure if Alastor is 'aware' of this] the V.V.V's now know he's not actually a 99999/99999 HP Gary Stu who actually can be taken down / killed, Meaning his 'tilt head + scary smile' intimidation will be leagues less effective.
>How so?
He's vulnerable and a woobie now, not the domineering Alpha fandom thought he was.
We know he's Ace, that's not gonna stop shippers.
Shippers are moronic, depraved and sinners.
Just wanted to put that out there.
S-so Alastor doesn't have +3 million bonus lives stocked up that he can shart out as a giant army
>S-so Alastor doesn't have +3 million bonus lives stocked up that he can shart out as a giant army
It's Hazbin Hotel, not Hellsing
I was being sarcastic
>the V.V.V's now know he's not actually a 99999/99999 HP Gary Stu who actually can be taken down / killed
Apparently Vox already (barely) beat him in a fight once prior to the seven-year disappearance.
they pretty much confirmed him to be asexual with the whole "ace in the whole" joke
I am not fooling around, give me more of that.
I like this very much and simply the sauce to this will suffice.
I imagine the same thing that happened to Stolas happening to him in the next season, aka losing all of his authority to become a sad pitiful twink.
>Adam breaks Alastor's shield with a single punch
>Naw i can still win this
Is he frickin' moronic?
alastor was nerfed, currently he's a chained up slave
Alastors "power" doesn't even seem to belong to him lol
Alastor is only powerful BECAUSE he's a chained up slave. His power comes directly from his deal. His goal is to break the deal while also taking over.
Maybe he's made two deals? One with Eve/Roo that gave him his powers and allowed him to sweep the floor with the other overlords upon being a newbie in Hell, and one with Lilith after he jobbed to Vox and had to get stitched up by her in exchange for being Charlie's babysitter?
Post the V's celebrating the chaos
>one of them is a serial rapist preying on a main character
Why did Viv think this was a good idea?
cuz it s a good story homosexual
so why is vox fricking the pimp that rapes his aids-ridden bottom b***h daily
>what is polyamory
Val knows Vox wants to frick Al and clearly doesn't care either
it’s not the polyamory it’s just that angel is disgusting
>hfw vox says watching al get fricked is better than sex
is Val a cuck?
>No hat Valentino
Mega cursed, man looks like an Invader Zim character
>Vox sleeping has his screen off with the logo in the corner.
That’s a cute visual.
bonus points if the logo moves in a pong like motion on the screen (like a screensaver)
I mean considering he owns Niffty's soul he kinda did.
A technical victory is all he can hope for at this point though
kiss! she owes him a favor anyway.
Does this confirm Vox is a jilted ex?
I mean they state outright that Vox hates Alastor for rejecting his offer to join the Vees.
this was always fricking stupid to me. his name isn't valastor how would that work
It's not like he couldn't have used an alias.
Like Angel Dust already does.
AV cables
Audio (Alastor) Visual (Vox)
Depends on how literally you take the whole hateboner thing, I guess.
Vox and Val's relationship is interesting when you consider they're both obsessed with different people who hate them and yet have some kind of relationship regardless.
>Depends on how literally you take the whole hateboner thing
It's very literal, Vox is hard as frick
Until proven otherwise I'm gonna believe Vox had a crush, Alastor rejected him for being asexual and Vox seethed forever.
I mean he went from a guy named Al to a guy named Val, I think he's desperate.
This sucks, but is probably where it's going to go.
It'd be interesting enough that Alastor made enemies by being so focused on his machinations, and got blind-sided by the embodiment of modern vapid culture and his own contemptuous arrogance.
"I wanted you to join me as a ruler, and you were just using me as a stepping stone!" is so much more interesting than "Why didn't we frick?"
>one tapped by CHADAM and ran like a b***h
>his “own” powers might not even belong to him
Alastorbros, it’s over…
Al will have to prostitute himself out to stronger demons to be protected by them.
Nah. He is confident that after breaking his chains, he'll still be able to come out on top of everyone and be the one pulling the strings.
Honestly I think he did better than could have expected. He was fighting the actual head of heaven's army on even terms for quite awhile. His shield totally brickwalled every other exorcist.
Charlie was a joke compared to him
His arc is the most genuinely interesting in the show.
If you watch it carefully he was being serious when he said he had affection for the cast of the hotel in episode 8. His heart has began to thaw at least a little. At the same tome he is still a genuine monster. Compared to the other sinners at the hotel the question of whether he can truly be redeemed deal or no deal looks large
Of the hotel attendees, Alastor Pentious are the only interesting or amusing characters that can drive the show unsurprisingly. Husk and Angel are far too predictable. Nifty is good but isn't much of a character that can take the helms.
I can fix him
Yeah Nifty is great but she doesn't have a real arc, she's just funny and insane. Very based though
My read is that he actually knew fighting Adam was dangerous. He isn't actually super arrogant, word of god used to be explicitly that he wasn't and uses smiles for self-control. He still decided to fight against Adam and his angels
>Husk and Angel are far too predictable.
>Nifty is good but isn't much of a character that can take the helms.
It's pretentious homosexuals like you who're the reason why cartoons can't just be simple fun anymore.
The show should have been retooled to a Political Thriller set in hell. Have Charlie trying to unite and improve hell rather than redeem sinners, at least at first. Make hell a more obviously hellish and divided place, make heaven and earth more distant and mysterious places, and focus on Charlie and Alastor.
Your mistake is assuming Viv or her fat greasy roommate can write like this.
I don't think Pilot Alastor would ever show a hint of weakness and concede mid-battle that someone got the better of him.
>the confusion and FEAR in his eyes
You love to see it.
Alastor is my favorite character by a large margin, and I loved that this happened.
It would have been so easy to make Alastor one-dimensional tumblr bait, but they're actually giving him an arc... humbling moments... character writing...
Now if only they do that more with Charlie, Vaggie, Cherri Bomb, Carmelia, Velvet...
Facts. Every time a new character was introduced, all I could think was "This means less Alastor/Charlie time."
Honestly Charlie has nuance entirely based on what character she's around. I think Angel Dust had the strongest arc this season, and his interactions with Charlie were the most true to her optimism being a vulnerability.
Overall I think the show arc is going to end with some sort of Charlie/Alastor/Lilith entanglement. Charlie confronting that people she thought were supporting her ideals aren't like she thought, and Alastor being some ironic mix of good and bad.
Voodoo runs on proportionate return, which could explain why Alastor never hits first and why he could be restricted. He has to antagonize Lucifer enough to prompt a fight, and he had to job to Adam because he wasn't necessary to tip the scales.
We'll see that his origin either had extremely good or evil intentions (I have to be the most evil to destroy this place of suffering sort of thing.) Then the climax will be Charlie forgiving him and leading him to redemption/freedom despite coming real close to revenge/hate. It'll be better stakes if this comes after Alastor helps Lilith end Lucifer if that's what we're building to.
I have doubts that Alastor hates Lucifer beyond just "I'm using your daughter, get out of the way."
Him allying against Lucifer later? Sure. But the show has had no multi-layered scheming outside of Alastor puppeting Charlie.
I’m willing to give him a chance as a character now
I thought they were gonna write it off but Vox and he made a big deal at the end how he chickened out and ran, I predict this is gonna be a plotpoint next season that the Vs aren’t scared of him anymore. He bled in the water and all the sharks smelled it.
What did we think of how Velvette did her hair this episode
Not as good as her first 2 styles
Imagine being a Alastorgay.
Wanting to frick any single one of these characters is equally embarrassing.
A lot of the women are really cute man. Idk.
I would unquestionably frick Charlie, Cherri, Lute, or Adam
He's the only interesting character left, the show blew its load instantly on everything else
An 8 episode season at that.
At this point i can't imagine being anything else.
>imagine being a charactergay for the one character with any mystique to him
Doesn't mean he doesnt have some deal/favor/threat/agenda shit going on with Lilith or Eve but I believe he probably has a wild deal with a voodoo entity that he made when he was still living. This is the only way he could be tricked. It would be his first deal, the entity can say hes someone hes not/has or can do something he cant or omit shit. A bill cipher type of scam. The voodoo powers likely not being Alastors, the stitches in his smile bound to him forcing him to smile and are green like the chains and how he seemed to have a shitton of power like immediately arriving into hell. Speculation is one of the bargains hes wrapped up in involves being a power pawn raging war and fear or a protector of charlie. If he was like every other newbie human in hell he wouldn't be able to do that or be sought out by lilith/eve/someone else for this kind of shit either. If you are practicing voodoo in life you probably wont be inclined to try to summon/worship/talk to eve, roo or lilith but be interested in communicating with a voodoo entity. Though i don't have any real voodoo knowledge.
He is recovering at my home after the fight, frick you Adam you beat up my man and you're a massive c**t!!! (I enjoyed watching Adam in the show and wouldn't mind if he came back as a sinner) i am also sad Dazzle died. It hit a bit too close to home. I really like dragons and had two little dogs that were almost lookalike twins like those two and a couple too. One died last year from old age and left me with just her girlfriend. Yes dogs can be gay. Lmao. Even my family and friends believed they were, including ones who said that was not a possible thing in the beginning. And now Razzle is alone too. </3
Overall mostly satisfied with the show. Hope the season two wait is 2 years or less. Also where the frick is the merch???
Holy fricking shit so many "women" just came out of the woodwork.
And holy fricking shit they talk exactly like how I'd expect some hormonal woobie weeb to talk. I wonder what you people look like in real life and behave like.
>That banana
Throw it away, it's rotten.
>It's ripe!
IT'S ROTTEN
And Jesus Christ I hope you don't have sex on that puffy material, you'll ruin it. Put a towel over it.
>All that colourful shit included that giant-ass doll with those weird shoes she probably bought from someone...
>pillow are boring white and the bed looks like some 18th century shit with the cheapest pressed sawdust possible.
Priorities, people. God this generation is shallow as frick. Get a better bed.
>white walls
That better be navy and not white or I swear to God. You really don't understand what's wrong with white walls?
And just like that I analyzed you, ironically not for your Digital Circus covers and Alastor doll and that awful banner which you obviously thought would have been a redflag, but everything else surrounding it which bothers me a million times more in combination with your autism.
Is there any goddamn person interested in cartoons who's not a shallow furry weirdo with awful tastes?
>woman woobie
I’m gonna frick Adam and bare him an entire new army of children.
>elder dog
And who takes care of the dog, you or your grandmother?
I want just 1 respectable looking person, not even personality wise to be part of cartoon fandoms. Can you at least pretend you're respectable LOOKS WISE?
I genuinely feel like Lucifer.
I'm stuck with all the bad examples of people and I laugh my ass off when that 1 Youtuber said "you don't get any redflags, ominoous music, etc. when somebody offers you weed" FOR YOU MAYBE, for me I look in disgust at how they think any of this is normal.
Am I the only goddamn person on Cinemaphile and in cartoons who's actually capable of separating his online persona from his IRL persona? seriously now. You know what I did with my last Alien figurine? I sold it. Cause I do not want to end up like the lunatic who I sold it to; $5000 worth of Predator figurines, Jesus Christ. You people are insane.
Look I'm just here to watch a cartoon and post on Cinemaphile without being insane like you lot, okay? I'm not insane, I'm not one of you when it comes to looks and mentality and personality.
You know what I did when my father offered me a Starcraft 2 mug while I was 12 ? I said no and took a McDonalds while my prebuscent tastebuds could still enjoy a shitty frozen meat with additives, but now as an adult I can only feel cardboard and paper when I eat that disgusting "ham"burger.
Maybe I should just get some adult hobbies that attracts intellectual adults and not the pompous Cinemaphilegays and insane /k/ kind either.
But what happens when you finally get an "adult" ? it's this boring homosexual with white walls who works a cubicle job and has the imagination of a flopping fish. I genuinely want to kill her out of pity.
I need balance. I want a balanced Cinemaphile, not a circus of insane toddlers I need to take care of or depressed hapless failures wagecucking.
Not your blog, stop acting like the women you’re b***hing about.
Vogelgay is that you? Did you peave /mlp/ to come discuss Hazbin here?
Im severely crippled, have chronic pain and fatigue, a screwed up back, neck and spine and I'm blind in one eye in my fricking 20s. But I'm still taking care of the dog plus other pets, myself too, making whatever I want and doing whatever I am still able to in my life. Making the most of it even though I am for sure better off dead due to my health. I live for the family, friends and animals that need me. That's respectable to anyone.
I don't know why you are so concerned about strangers looks, hobbies and personalities on the internet so much? Because you share a site and fandom? I'm not even trying to be an butthole, I'm just really confused why I got this big rant?
You sound too judgemental focused and I bet a family member or someone else made you this way. If not why are you seemingly so desperate to prove yourself? To internet strangers of all things? You shouldn't live life for anyone else but you or it becomes a living hell and boring as shit. People can have all sorts of balances, duality and good traits despite interests. And people have different hobbies and different levels of involvement with them. This is ok. You are worried about the wrong shit in personal settings and in other peoples lives who you dont even really know. Being on a high horse won't make you happy or change others.
Speaking of knowing people. This year, I am buying a large house, BY MYSELF, without disability or family financial aid. Despite being crippled and having wild hobbies and interests. You probably wouldn't have been able to guess that based on my belongings though. I'll take being deemed insane by others for doing, liking or acting how I want. I down want to turn into another miserable inside, conforming and boring ass adult so every other butthole can surface level like or tolerate me. Change hobbies if others existing and functioning in different ways sets off insecurities or agitation. And chill out too.
Cryptocurrency?
You are an absolute schizo just as a heads up
Based, Adam needs to be bred
I’m going to give him the woman he always deserved. (Lutes great what a queen, but I’m going to frick him till he doesn’t want to be the Dickmaster anymore,)
Ya im a women. But I'm not here to social justice fight or be a pain in the ass, just chill or talk a bit and laugh at bs sometimes. I don't frick it at all, hence my flag and there being no removable clothes or genitalia. The shoes are clean rubber cast that i made, not real shoes. No i didnt eat the banana, just needed an object for scale when i took the pic. The walls are light purple. My usual bedding is galaxy colored. Elderly dog pissed on the comforter so i took chance to wash it all. I've seen some ultra weird bedding, rooms and plushies online and never felt the need to comment or have it as anything more as a passing thought but i guess we're all different lol
I'm a 38 year old mom of 4 who works a professional job and usually wears business attire. I am still a mentally ill fanfic fujo
looks can be deceiving
You know the rules
and so do I, now post your wiener in full erection.
Are you white?
Yes. Basically all Anglo WASP with ancestors on the Mayflower. No one is whiter than me tbh
What do your kids post about and watch online? Five Nights At Freddy?
One of them was into FNAF. I honestly try not to monitor it too closely after they reach a certain age, I feel like it's counterproductive because it ends up making them weird and repressed. If there was an apparent addiction to porn or something I'd be more inclined to get more involved. Younger children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet without strict guardrails though
You type like a woman.
>pic
Frick, that's so cute. I want one ;_;
that banana is fine you pussy
I want an adam plushie and an alastor plushie so I can make them kiss and make up :3. and a charlie in her finale outfit plushie because it was super cute and an nifty plushie so I can sleep knowing she won't let any bugs get to me
That's a hard life anon congrats on your house. ignore the trolls and please come back and post more alastor plushie pics when season 2 drops.
omg a touchable alastor!
that means you can YOINK his ears for real!
>i am also sad Dazzle died
tfw this was foreshadowed
>JOBlastor ran like a b***h after getting one tapped by CHADam
KEKlastorbros...not like this...
Bruh so would all of us and the other characters and he volunteered to fight off adam
If thats what regular shippers are we need some new words for billdip shippers
Hell spawns.
Amazing how much better of a character he became once he was allowed to not be invincible
Where are the Adam plushies?!
Remember when Cinemaphile were saying that Alastor could win against Lucifer and that the king of hell got cucked by the deerboy
Good times
Well honestly, Lucifer did kinda like Alastor walk all over him in front of his daughterfu during Episode 5, that happened.
But now deer boy is ANGURRY that he got shown up by Lucifer in front of literally everyone.
That was pretty funny. Figured he'd be a bit stronger for all his bravado towards Lucifer. Now I
m curious if it's because he's bound by his deal, or if he was just never that strong in the first place.
He was a moron who just jumped into a pack of wolf because he got a gun and tought he could just solo Lucifer, who is still has the strenght of an angel.
If instead he would have put some tought behind it, he could have used Charlie as a shield to beat Lucifer and use his lasers to actually kill the most wanted sinners instead of a bunch of cannibals
The power levels in the series are more or less established with that fight
God>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
angels like Lucifer>angels like Adam>>>> maybe Alastor≥other demonic overlord>> common troops of exorcist angels>>
and normal demons
>maybe Alastor
anon, did you watch the show. Alastor has nice soft power skills, but is an absolute jobber. Also you didnt include ars goetia
I clarified it there, he does not beat an angel at the level of Adam or Lucifer until Charlie, but he has the rank of overlord and can become as strong as some or weaker, but more than the average demons and exorcist angels. average
>ars goetia
I really forgot, then it would be them on top of Alastor
>ars goetia
We haven't seen any of the Goetia do fricking anything. The most we ever see is Stolas manifesting in the human world and doing some weaksauce spooky shit to scare some Humans. That's it. Stolas then utterly jobs to a fricking Imp who happens to have some angelic weapons.
I don't understand why people wank the Ars Goetia so much, much less Stolas out of all of them. People act like he's "le ub0r powerful" when he's done and shown literally nothing even remotely impressive. In fact, he's mostly shown to be kind of a b***h, considering he can't even defend himself from an Imp just because said Imp has holy weapons. I mean, Episode 8 of Hazbin shows that having holy weapons doesn't mean an automatic win against a demon, especially if they can harm you back. Excorcist angels are much more powerful than Imps, yet once the cast of Hazbin use angelic weapons of their own to be able harm the Excorcists the angels get fricking slaughtered without harming even a single one of the Hotel members - not counting Adam.
Basically, the Ars Goeita (and Stolas) are over-wanked and have more anti-feats than actual feats.
Only tangentially related, but picrel would still absolutely annihilate Stolas and we were completely robbed out of seeing that happen.
>but picrel would still absolutely annihilate Stolas and we were completely robbed out of seeing that happen.
Oh right. That death battle animation. Yeah, it was kind of a disappointment that they pussed out the Helluva Boss characters getting wiped. Would have been nice to watch Stolas get his shit kicked in, but The Vivziesisters would throw a fit and the creator of that animation probably wanted to avoid getting hounded by an army of gays for depicting their precious wooble getting mulched.
>picrel
Who? And why are you so mentally ill over nonexistent powerlevel shit.
Anons brought up the power of Ars Goeita in Hazbin/Helluva hell, as an earlier topic of discussion was the power hierarchy of demons in Vivzie's Hell - and for some reason Ars Goeita are hyped up as being super strong despite them being shown to be rather pathetic.
>And why are you so mentally ill over nonexistent powerlevel shit.
Fictional Vs. battle autism and powerlevelling is fun. No other reason.
>Who?
Answer to your question is
and https://youtu.be/F-5gpW4sgHE?si=lDlC4QrBEfnq0q9a
>Stolas getting torn apart like the pathetic gay he is
Kino.
...people wank the vivzieshit goeita and stolas? why?
Nifty is Alastor's familiar, thus Alastor won.
My schizo theory is that Niffty is actually Eve
When you think about her in conjunction with the show's established themes it falls into place: Adam wanted Lilith's obedience. Eve will foil Lilith; while she's all about hating subservience and breaking chains, Nifty is a parody of the stereotypical 50s housewife, 'likes being forced' and spends her time cooking, cleaning, and obsessing over men. Designed to be the epitome of Adam's submissive ideal, it makes sense Eve would choose a 50s housewife as her disguise, they resonate with her.
Also:
>is a big mystery with no established motives or backstory
>likes bad boys but also likes punishing them
>She also doesn't like when they aren't bad boys anymore
>was weirdly enamored with Sir Pentious in particular(a snake) and tells him to "never leave her again"
>hasn't been confirmed to have made a deal with Alastor, unknown why she sticks around him. Could just be following him around to keep an eye on their deal. Alastor is also weirdly nice to her and lets her climb on him and always helps her
>likes taking pieces of men for her "collection"(Val's fluff), might be a reference to how she was made from the piece of a man
>is the one to ultimately kill Adam
Only hole I cant explain is that she doesn't recognize Lucifer
Careful anon, Viv is gonna steal this because you're putting more thought into Nifty than she ever did
Would that be such a bad thing?
Actually not at all better than the Roo bullshit that looks cringe even for my standards
Go on Viv, steal this, we won't tell
Roo seems boring to me too. I think I could only possibly like it if Eve is not Roo but just the vessel for this primordial evil, perhaps give them a parasitic relationship, with Eve wanting revenge on both Heaven and Hell for screwing her over and thus being a convenient host.
I do hope that the story shown at the beginning of the show is in actuality a sanitized version of what happened told to Charlie rather than the whole truth. What happened to Eve is carefully omitted for a reason. As the first sinner she was likely the first person in Hell, suffering for the past ten thousand years all because she fell for the trick of a bad boy that then abandoned her.
>parasitic relationship with a primordial evil
Oh frick it's attack on titan's alien centipede thing all over again
> I do hope that the story shown at the beginning of the show is in actuality a sanitized version of what happened told to Charlie rather than the whole truth.
Judging by Lucifer’s pure selfishness and Rosie’s/Lilith’s cannibal districts, absolutely.
Lucifer is a foolish idiot that deserves to be in hell.
She admitted to actively changing Vaggies backstory to fit the fan theory of her being a ex-angel and that was executed horribly, the director has a special talent for taking interesting ideas and completely fumbling them
This show in general took a fun idea/concept and fumbled it
>pitched as an episodic comedy about Lucifer's daughter trying to redeem sinners in a hotel so it's basically like fosters home but in hell
>naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah it's actually some homosexual lorebait show that spends 90% of it's time worldbuilding and hell vs heaven but heaven is *gasp* actually evil and corrupt! wow I've never fricking seen this ever before
it reminds me of The Good Place, except that show is actually well written
at least the animation is good
Would be more interesting than Eve pretending to be Lilith tbh. I want Lilith to be an actual antagonist because it fits her character themes much better. You're telling me that the woman famous for leaving her first husband would hesitate to leave Lucifer if he's not acting up to standard and drowning in his own depression/pathetic resignation whilst she's ahouldering the burden of trying to empower hell's citizens? In the show we do see her take little Charlie away from Luci and it could be implied that this is what led to Charlie and Luci not being as close, maybe she kept them apart because she didn't want Luci to be a depressing influence and then considered her job done once Charlie hit adulthood so she decided to frick off to Heaven. (I know some people theorize that this was really Eve all along but that doesn't make sense because Lilith "disappeared" 7 years ago so that's when she would've been replaced, and Charlie is in her mid 20's so there's no way it's a fake Lilith in the flashback. Her face can just be covered to add to the mystery, or Charlie doesn't remember her mom that well anymore after having not seen her for so long.)
Ten thousand years is a long time to be married, Lilith doesn't have to be pure evil, she could've been loving at some point. Or she could be used to foil Adam because he was created to be the first man and also the toxic representation of one in the show's themes whilst Lilith, being the first woman and created the same way Adam was, could be the representation of a toxic woman(manipulative, selfish, etc.)
Would also be interesting to have Charlie deal with a threat the hotel can't punch away and that makes her question her goals.
Eve is also associated with sewing, and Niffty used to have a bigger emphasis on sewing and needles in her design, there's a lot of weird overlap between the two in this story the more you look into it
She could just be pretending not to recognize lucifer.
“You’re the apple of my eye”
Imagine being Lute and suddenly this little gremlin comes to you and tries to make you doubt your entire relationship with Adam. That would be freaky.
>previous work: MK and RotTMNT
damn, say what you want about Vivzie, but she can pick her crew.
also, watch RotTMNT, it's fricking amazing
A lot of the work on the show is done by fans passionate about the project they're working on. Like the rape fetishist fujo who storyboarded Poison or the VoxVal animation director fujo who threw in all the fanservice with them at the end of the finale.
Leads to good results.
Doesn’t this mean that Logo knows a lot more about Adam and Lute to fully commit into it while everybody else seems to be hesitant about the other pairings.
I really like and absolutely believe this theory now and want to know more, tell me, what could the gag of her freezing on camera symbolize/imply?
Since Alastor has an ability to make sure cameras glitch out if they try to capture his image, Niffty would be in a silence trance when faced with the same situation, unable to speak or say anything. Some mistake it it as camera shy, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hold from Alastor or she did that purposely on herself.
Why was Vox so happy to see her
Maybe that "Women should be seen and not heard"?
That saying was on the tip of my tongue but it didn't occur to me, good catch
If Eve = Roo as well then Niffty may possibly encapsulate the whole "Madonna-prostitute" complex; a woman who is polarized as being either the ultimate evil or the ultimate good, with her being paradoxically both as the perfect subvariant wife/mother and also a little menace/potential evil incarnate- considering her lack of pathos and motive compared to the other characters. I thought she had a needle weapon in the finale but its more of a dagger, would be too obvious I suppose considering she literally stabs Adam in the back
There's also the fact that Al is quite literally stitched up too and has the red eyes constantly watching him when he had his little breakdown, and on his mic, that are Roots motif. I might end up writing a personal list just to organize and tie all of these tidbits together. Now I'm sad this likely isn't going to be the case in the show since the director has the writing ability of a middle schooler, and if it is it'll be just as poorly executed as Vaggies angel reveal
>with her being paradoxically both as the perfect subvariant wife/mother and also a little menace/potential evil incarnate
Woah anon this is very smart! I would love that. Like Eve was the perfect submissive wife and then this parasitic entity(Roo) got introduced to her via the apple and gave her a new side. (BTW the designs that Viv created for Roo is overdesigned trash in the worst way, I hope that if she does keep that concept of a primordial evil then it stays disembodied or just possessing Eve)
And yeah I've accepted that all that I've built up in my head won't come true, it's likely that the simplest theory is the most likely, and in that one Lilith is just a good wife and mother while Eve is impersonating her for whatever reason.
Personally I like the idea of Lilith having not liked Eve(can't feel good to have a replacement be made of you, can it? Implies you're a defective prototype) so she was more than happy to have fricked her over.
It can also be argued that since Adam is supposed to be the epitome of a toxic male in the show(which isn't true because he actually worships pussy and listens to women as we see with Lute but anyway), and Lilith was made from the same stuff he was, then she can be the representation toxic feminity. Manipulativeness, selfishness, etc. She was the one empowering the demons of Hell, after all. If she did get tired of it and all fricked off to girlboss in Heaven after splitting with Lucifer because Lucifer wasn't stepping up as the husband she wanted due to his depression, then it still fully fits her themes.
when has adam ever shown he values lute's input and ideas when they differ from his own ?
lute is pretty much his attack dog so no shit they're chummy, but she's still very much a servant in that relationship
Did you miss episode 6? Lute grabs his collar and shushes him and stops him from going after Vaggie and Charlie when he wanted to. If he didn't value her input he wouldn't have let her do that. He only had an issue with her shushing him.
that's not input, she reminded him of his place as he was forgetting himself (more than usual). That's not really somethiing that is beyond the scope of a master/servant relationship, as servants can sometimes be expected to manage the master's mood in some ways, and yes, show authority when needed.
Again, we would need to see how he reacts when one of his most trusted girls goes against his orders.
Oh wait, we already saw what happened then.
That was Lute that did it to Vaggie though, not Adam. We don't know how he would've reacted if he'd come upon that scene. Not well, I'm sure, but it's not guaranteed he would've reacted as harshly as Lute. Lute is so bloodthirsty even Adam told her to chill.
Lute got to her first but he was there for sure, even took her halo
That situation proves he trusts Lute enough to let her act upon her own judgement. He arrived late to the scene and didn't even inquire further. It's a pretty big thing for him to trust a woman without question considering his first two wives.
Given that it's been shown that they have a habit of hovering the battlefield while surveying together, it's more likely that he was already aware of what happened and just let lute dole out a punishment they probably had previous agreements on, even if only implicit ones.
More details for you anon:
>says "I HATED THAT SONG" about "It starts with sorry" because nobody offered her forgiveness that easily
>nobody catches her in the trust fall exercise, not even Charlie, symbolizing how nobody was there for her as the og sinner
>likes killing mama bugs in front of their young to spread a message (possible foreshadowing?)
>Alastor is a momma's boy, Eve is the momma of humanity
even though they probably won't come true on the show itself, i love reading all these analyses about Nifty! They make her and her concept sound so interesting!
>Angelic Sir Pentious is real
I fricking kneel Viv
>Angelic Sir Pentious is real
It was all worth it, I forgive Viv for shitty writing
>every fan of Hazshit Hotel is just moronic fujos
I don't know what I expected but I didn't think it was this bad
>My JJKposting from the first batch of episodes actually came true
Kaisen gays and hazbin heads are truely the same
>Corpse b***h calls him ace to his face
>He's confused
Really funny actually
He doesn't know what it means according to viv. He still thinks he hasn't met "the one" yet. So when Rosie calls him an "ace in the hole" she means he's still in the closet.
Is Vox crazy enough to think he can take on Lucifer?
He was fighting a powerful source of demon kryptonite
>Cinemaphile is wrong yet again
Like pottery
I'm glad Alastor's not all-powerful. His vulnerability makes him a more interesting character. Characters aware of their own mortality are more cunning, and more prone to interesting plans that aren't as simple as "lol then i snap my fingers and win".
If the ending song is any indication, he's also becoming increasingly desperate. Desperation + vulnerability = drama.
I'm excited to see what wacky shit he'll get up to next, and let's not forget he managed to secure a deal with Charlie. Half-dead he may be, he's still got that in his pocket.
Curious to see what deal he made is. Probably one of the more interesting things. Though I'd like to get a better timeline of events. It seems like we went on his slaughterfest, calmed down, had some kind of media rivalry with the Vees instead of killing them like the rest, and then dissapeared. The question would be did he mellow out naturally before the thing with the Vees or did his deal start before that.
It's gonna be a lazy thing like
>stops singing for sinners and let me kill them one Time a year and you can chill in heaven
So why wasn't Alastor using heavenly weapons against Adam? He did get a drop on him a couple of times with his tentacles/shadows, if one of those had been holding an angel's blade he could have spiked Adam. And why did he stop dodging and just decided to tank that light wave? Did he get too wienery and ate shit because of that?
Yeah, the whole encounter was pretty silly. They were clearly going with Alastor being overconfident, but they didn't really show it well enough. What would have been better would have been him having weapons and brazenly tossing them aside or something.
He deliberately antagonized the king of Hell and lost his temper badly enough to drop an F-bomb at the guy. I guess he's so confident in his abilities that he does get overly proud and wienery sometimes.
>I'm glad Alastor's not all-powerful. His vulnerability makes him a more interesting character.
Yeah, same. I dislike his character concept and expected him to be annoying, but in the end he wasn't too untouchable. It was satisfying to get a handful of moments where he got knocked down a peg or two.
It would be all the more satisfying once Charlie is the one to humble Alastor.
>He deliberately antagonized the king of Hell and lost his temper badly enough to drop an F-bomb at the guy. I guess he's so confident in his abilities that he does get overly proud and wienery sometimes.
I think that was less about his wieneriness and more about him trying to assert dominance knowing that luci couldn't fight him since Charlie loves al so much.
How does it feel now that your man lost to Adam? That your rival, Sir Pentious, got to heaven, proving Alastor wrong that sinners can be redeemed? That your midget friend was the one to deal the final blow? And that he is chained by Lilith to watch over her daughter? Nobody gave a shit that he was gone missing for seven years.
>lilith has to go aganst charlie to keep her DEAL to be in heaven, formely with adam, and she DEALED with alastor to protect charlie
>alastor wants to get rid of his DEAL w/ lilith and now has a favour DEAL in store from charlie
>the Vees who want to off alastor now have opportunity to attack him if he ever lets his guard down, or if they get HELP FROM SOMEONE ELSE to deal with him
the pieces are in place. When will the dice be thrown?
And let this be yet another reminder that no matter how much voodoo got, you still just a Sinner.
Alastor won btw (Adam died)
Nifty is Alastor's tool, so it counts either way.
Is it really his kill if someone else did it for him?
that "someone" was alastor's summon, Niffty
I wish Alastor didn’t just Insta-regen back to full health like CoD the second he moved out of Adams lane of attack, and we got a ‘giant in the hospital’ episode where Charlie and co’ had to give him TL&C in his hotel room while he recovers. So I could then self insert as the one giving Alastor TL&C of course
And everyone is actually picking on him for once since he has no way to scare or intimidate them in that moment.
These 8 episodes had less happening than a 40 minute special and a 90minute movie.
This show needed badly the 10 minute slice of life episode handle. Hell make it 5 or 7 minute episodes, it's all about the idea.
However there's another problem ... Vivziepop cannot write even slice of life properly. The characters were incredibly static and there was so little fighting, the few fights that happen are off screen.
lucifer x female alastor is a powerful ship
Imagine the smell
I swear if people start arguing about powerlevel homosexualry in the gay furry musical cartoon
The potential for /dbs/ posting is the only reason I bother to check into these diseased threads for a show I'm absolutely never going to watch
Have you considered you're mentally ill?
Every /dbs/ poster is saner than someone who chooses to spend time watching vivzieslop properties
This creepypasta tumblr sexyman Gary Stu should’ve stayed on deviantart, wow so cool and edgy hes always smiling and he’s mysterious and ultra powerful oooo…gimme a break Viv
Give me a a charlastor/radiobelle prompt and I will draw it
draw them holding hands
Took awhile but we got there in the end
Very sweet, anon!
Did you draw this? Very nice.
Yeah, thanks. I have a specific idea of how they interact in mind and I don't see it a lot, so I gotta do it myself
Oh do tell.
Main thing on my mind is that I don't really see Alastor as aroace. I think he's just a huge narcissist and is more attracted to the idea of power that can reinforce his self image than anything else. Charlie is an optimistic romantic at heart, so with Alastor trying to become her right hand man, she can't help but look at his actions through rose-tinted glasses. Whether or not Alastor is attracted to Charlie's looks, he's completely attracted to the way he can control her or physically interact with her. He wants to touch her and be close to her to suit his own needs regardless of how it makes Charlie feel. He may or may not be too stupid to realize that he actually wants her and not just her power, but that's a more idealized way of looking at it. Realistically, it's more of a "mine, mine, mine" mentality where he takes something so someone else can't have it. Charlie is just unfortunately a sweet person.
Sounds interesting.
You got a place where you post your art?
Yes, but I don't use it.
Not enough content like that these days. Here's one more before bed. Not sinister enough, maybe next time.
Bummer.
Cute!
Cute that Alastor wanted to check if Charlie's black lips were natural (was satisfied that they are).
Nice, I like a good old obsessive/possessive relationship from the man in this dynamic. I wouldn't mind seeing this if you ever decide to actualize it, hopefully in these threads.
>I don't really see Alastor as aroace
Don't worry, apparently the term means literally nothing
This is exactly how I see Alastor too
and he wasn't always "aroace" that was a retcon so it's meaningless anyway
He wanted to bend Charlie over and do things, eh
Does he not know how to process these feelings
hooray!
Hey sinners
My name is Adam, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are sex obsessed, violent, crackprostitutes who spend every second of their day trying to get your asses into heaven. You are everything bad in the afterlife. Honestly, have any of you ever not comitted sin? I mean, I guess it's to frick some hot halo puss, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to that hooker Angel Dust.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was the first man to ever live, and the first mortal to ever make it into heaven. What accomplishments have you got, other than "make a piss stained hotel"? I also have an army of angels, and have a banging hot l
lieutenant
(She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all sinners who should just have a nice day.
Pic Related: It's me and my b***h"
I’m going to frick you
Jazz music stops
Awww look at these cute sisters trying to kill each other!
So Vox is clearly in love with Alastor and wants him dead because he can't have him right?
JOBastorsisters…our response?
Made me snort out my drink.
It’s fricking perfect. All that is missing is Vox middle finger.
Even the homosexual owl would likely mid-diff JOBastor, it’s so fricking over…
>getting mogged by the fricking pansy owl
Holy shit it really IS over.
Stolas sucks at direct fighting. It's less about raw power and more about how you use what you do have. Alastor's been fighting other demons for a long time, and only finally jobbed when he tried to fight a high-ranking angel.
Like how Charlie is theoretically one of the most powerful hell beings, only below her father, but she sucks at fighting and has never really had to use it.
>right click
>save as
This is going to come in handy for the next several years
He should have stayed in hiding instead of returning to the Hotel immediately, because now the power vacuum the Vee's talked about makes no sense since nothing happened but Rosie losing some cannibals.
I'm actually glad he got rekt, because now people can shut the frick up. Some Cinemaphile loserlord just the other day tried to tell me that Alastor would beat Lucifer. Well, obviously not. Is he strong? Sure. Is the strongest? It would be ridiculous to even consider it.
I hope you guys realize this was mostly so people couldn't call him a Gary Stu when he forces the entire plot to revovle around him in future seasons
What's with writers making fan favorites frauds in every fricking story now anyway? Why can't they just let people enjoy things? Alastor, Gojo, Eren, Trump, LeBron, Mihawk, Sasuke, Thanos, Verbalase, Thor in GoW Ragnarok, Bidenomics, Fire Lord Ozai where does it end?
>verbalase
Damn
Cause gege rightfully fricking hates Gojo but loves Sukuna
>If the character doesn't win literally every fight then their a 'fraud'
Well, the NON frauds actually win every fight, sooo....
>What's with writers making fan favorites
>Alastor
Choose ONLY one. Who likes Alastor anyway, Adam exposed him as a fraud literal who edgelord and his radio gimmick is lame.
>Who likes Alastor anyway
I do
and Viv likes him so much she made up that he's "asexual" because she doesn't want other people thirsting over him
Well too bad c**t
>haztober
>4/28
i don't get it
the chudking won
I love him so much
>tries to frick over adam character by writing him as a male toxic figure
>fans loves him
get fricked in the ass writers!
Unironically why are you autists obsessing over power levels in a show about Charlie's wacky hijinks trying to redeem sinners?
Because the most hyped character turned tail and ran after losing like a chump
That’s hilarious
>a show about Charlie's wacky hijinks trying to redeem sinners?
>he unironically believes vivzie actually plays out a show's premise straight
LA
MAYO
>why are you autists obsessing over power levels
dude, the show spends so much fricking time worldbuilding canon power levels and Hell's hierarchy and a lot of fight scenes. If anybody is obsessed with power levels it's Vivzie
It’s not about redemption anymore.
I can't believe how much the show fricked up the original premise.
>Hell has an overpopulation issue. Haha actually no... Heaven are just doing it to stop Hell from growing too powerful.
>no episodic clients.
>barely makes use of the Hotel setting.
>Nobody ever thought about standing their ground and fighting back against the exterminators before for... reasons.
>Vaggie forgets that angel weapons can also hurt exterminators because she's moronic.
>Angelic weapons can perma-kill Angels themselves for reasons.
>Lucifer on his daughter's side now. Most powerful being in Hell being fine with the Hotel idea takes away any stakes. Charlie in danger? just call Luci
You need to remember that Hell is Lucifers punishment. He can't help her with heavens politics. He's bound to the same law of contracts that the sinners have with each other. Charlie can't just snub alastors deal, just like Charlie can't do shit to help angel free himself from Valentino. Honestly in s2 it's probably going to be revealed that you can't go to heaven while your soul is owned by someone else. You also saw how pissed Lucifer was at Alastor because he couldn't stop his daughter from trusting him.
>only criteria for getting into heaven is dying without a balance on your soul tab
That would be insanely hilarious. Something so simple but still incredibly hard for everyone to do. Like not racking up credit card debt.
It's basically a backwards progression, season 1 here feels like what season 2 would've been with all the heightening stakes and what not. Now apparently season 2 is when the hotel ACTUALLY becomes relevant? You need to work these things up, not blow your load right out of the gate. Any proper show runner would've had the first season be a slice of life about Charlie being a underdog struggling to keep her hotel afloat to sell the viewers on the characters and setting first.
it would have also given the show the time to actually introduce the overlords and the setting, every episode could have been trying to redeem and underling of one of those overlords or something, or at least an inhabitant of a specific district
but this show just wanted to get the cool shit to happen, without actually building up to it first so it all falls flat.
There's literally no reason to go to the Hotel in a cynical shithole like Hell unless the concept of redemption is proven first, though. Angel outright admitted he used the place as a crash pad with free booze before he actually started liking the people there and Sir Pentious had nowhere else to go and Charlie and the rest of the hotel were the first people to show him kindness.
Besides, people already complained constantly about how there's too many damn characters, do you really want another sinner of the week like seven episodes straight on top of actually setting up the next seasons threats of the V's, Lilith, Heaven itself, and Alastor?
>Start of S1 - no one believes in the hotel
>AD has his character arc
>People see he's more at peace and start to filter in
>Season finale is Vox and Alastor doing some political shit that gets the hotel involved
>As it's resolved have Adam show up and shit all over everything
>Hook for season 2 after characters are fleshed out and setting is established
It writes itself
>People see he's more at peace and start to filter in
In between the wieners pulling in and out of his mouth? Anon AD had his character arc but he still loves to blow shit up and frick dudes. He stood up to Valentino and that was a strong personal victory, but the only thing people are gonna see is how hard Valentino fricks him in the ass the next day. Being at peace itself is nice but less so when the threat of eternal oblivion is still naught but a few months away, which was and still is why the hotel is a thing in the first place.
>Season finale is Vox and Alastor doing some political shit that gets the hotel involved
Like what? The only reason Vox and the rest of the V's have the balls to plan their power grab is because they seen Alastor get his shitpushed in and recorded it for all of Hell to see, diminishing his credibility and making him look week. The only other time he's even tried anything was the cowardly act of sending Sir Pent as a spy and that failed immediately.
The second Vox tries anything outright to threaten the Hotel or Alastor himself in S1 would be the end of him, just like Alastor did all those Overlords of old prior.
The only thing that could really work under the assumption of eight episodes is Adam being the bad of S2 like he is now, but that assumes you'd have enough gas or a S3 leftover to deal with Lilith and the hotel proving itself to work, since no sinner going to heaven before S2 is the only way to make the Adam plot actually work, since Heaven's higher-ups would be forced to halt any exterminations and reevaluate the entire method at which they deal with sinners. And Adam wouldn't dare disobey an order from up high unless becoming fallen himself which it'd render the exterminations moots entirely, removing the main threat of the show.
There should've been minimal or no Heaven or Overlord politics in Season 1. Save Overlords/rivalry with the V's for Season 2 and a Heaven war for 3. Final villain reveal in 4 if it managed to last that long.
But I guess they weren't guaranteed anything immediately so they half-assed it all in 8 short episodes.
Redemption would imply taking responsibility and accountability, when people like vivzie just want to blame authority and fantasize about being genocided by them because of their victim complex and use this as an excuse to never change
But in Viv’s story, Adam and Lute are the most loving parents the sinners ever have. And it’s the lack of authority, responsibility, and accountability that allowed Hell and the sinners to end up so badly. Because Lucifer is not a good enough person to be that authority figure and he’s an evil monster through and through that deceives sinners like he deceived Lilith and Eve. If you seen the final episode, his “evil form” looks like a mad science experiment gone horribly wrong.
>in a show about Charlie's wacky hijinks trying to redeem sinners
DYEWTS? Lol, Lmao.
I know. I got sold a lie about this show because I thought it was gonna be wacky redemption adventures (like it was marketed).
But people don't seem to care because it's all style, no substance anyway.
Because it’s fun for me to imagine if Hazbin Hotel was a shonen series with power levels, fight-homosexualry, and agendas
>Lend me some of that Holy Spirit Lute, this is BASE NIFTY we’re up against
which is why i'm still waiting on someone to make good on my request from earlier
Whats the biggest AIIIIEEEEElastor cope you've seen so far?
>Niffty is Eve
>Kills Adam
>Adam is reborn in Hell
>Eve and Adam reunite
it's like pottery
>That anon who said Niffty stabbed Adam because she had the hots for him
>All this now
Vivzie, gomenasai
unironically too intelligent for this garbage. I keep watching this to see if anything anyone posted, as a story, or musical this is has a leg to stand on. Turns out it doesn't so I'm really trying to figure out who this appeals to outside of nostalgia glitterdog artists from 2000 scene era.
I see Alastor's femboy arc has already begun
Where is that LILITH IS ROSIE schizo? The frick was that all about?
Hiding in the same hole as the IDIOT AND COWARD who was trying to claim that Husker was only implying Alastor was on a leash to Mimzy in E5 when it was so obvious what the story was actually hinting at.
Get in here and take your Ls, schizos!
is a shit like Alastor redeemable, or is he going to choose to stay in Hell until he gets exterminated?
anybody up for making a Niffty version of this?
Imagine Alastor gently combing his fluffy little deer tail!
the JOBster
fraudastor stocks are in the fricking mud
Eternally grateful to Viv for allowing Alastor to be humbled so many times throughout the season so comics like this could exist.
I have to applaud Viv for actually allowing Alastor to look bad like that. I was starting to think he was her pet character.
He was. He appears at the end unharmed.
I might be mis remembering things, but his Radio Station was a wreck even after the magic rebuilding project. Maybe that thing acts like a sort of phylactery and he regened off of that. Even if I'm mistaken I don't think avoiding damage counters how he completely overestimated the strength of his deal with Charlie and got his ass beat because of it. He and the Vees will probably play a bigger role in season 2 so this is subject to change.
Him being humiliated on livestream, hopefully, will play a part. He seems to really value his reputation and all the rumours regarding him.
Shit didn't even think of that. He gets pissy at even the slightest diss. Now he has to suffer the wrath of the Vox network playing his greatest failure on loop for everyone to see. Frick season 2 can't come soon enough
Is voxcoin projected to rise following the fraudastor stock fiasco or am I stupid for investing a third of my portfolio into it?
It's going to the moon. Thanks to Vox Security. Now that the Vees know how it's done they can genuinely be a protection racket should Sera try to strike back at Hell.
Ive been waiting for Kaisen edits for this show for about a month and they finally came in the best way imaginable. I told people to invest in Luci stocks to make a profit instead but no one listened
I couldn't actually see myself putting more than beer money into Vox stock.
For me, I do think it's a prime time to load up on the Nifty cheapies. She unjustly took a hit due to the Fraudastor fiasco, so it's definitely time to buy.
What the Jobaster posters don’t tell you is that he fought Adam WITHOUT an angelic weapon which is required for killing an angel. Like no shit he wasn’t gonna win, either Al thought he could genuinely handle him or attempted to keep him distracted from the others.
I think what happened to Alastor is representative of Vivzie’s psyche. Vivzie has literally said shit like Alastor was her middle school OC/he saw her in a dream, and I think, for years and years, most of her life, Alastor was her perfect sexyman boyfriend, played straight (literally, because he was allowed to be sexual back then) as her ultimate demon man boyfriend lover protector, and probably her weird dad figure to since fujos always have a weird relationship with their father. But ever since Vivzie got dumped/abused by her boyfriend (very messy trying to figure out what happened there, but either it FRICKED vivzie up) Vivzie’s fragile sexuality, already damaged by her fujo ness, was destroyed. Vivzie is genuinely not capable of enjoying lust unless it’s in the context of two traumatized twink gay tumblr sexyman, because vivzie was already a fujo and then her boyfriend (who she said was similar to Alastor) dumped her/abused her and she’s basically sworn off men since. Veggie and Charlie became lesbians (who don’t have sex) because of that, Alastor, the most obvious sexyman in history, became ACE, and it even translates to the writing: Vivzie first saw Alastor as her dream, her ultimate protector/boyfriend/dad, and she was probably closer to charlie in that dynamic. But now vivzie hates men and has grown past her tastes for Alastor but won’t let him go. So what happens to him? He’s a fricking JOBBER who gets his ass beat and mindbroken, he’s no longer the protector boyfriend of Charlie who no longer needs him, he’s superfluous, probably subconsciously hated by Vivzie. And only exists to be a traumatized twink because vivzie is a dysfunctional fujo who can only seem to identify with abused and traumatized twink men despite Alastor being created as an all powerful protector demon figure who should be invulnerable and invincible. It’s going to get a lot worse in the future.
>adam breaks his toy staff
>immediately loses power
lmao
Is this currently the main Hazbin thread? Anyway give me ideas for porn to draw, male characters only
Draw Anon and Adam.
Lucifer teasing Adam on how fat he is, they are both naked.
I don't mind if you draw Adam with the mask on or off, whatevers easier.
Lucifer taking a bath and fricking his rubber duck :3
Al getting fricked by Adam in the same way asTHAT gif of Piccolo with bejita
Valentino getting electro-stimulation from Vox.
Vox is SO HARD RIGHT NOW
An anon mating pressing Alastor.
>it's radiover
I'm enjoying all these Jobastor art. Is there one of him in Family Guy death pose yet?
Thank you so much, anon!
So when will Luci rape Alastor?
other way around, anon
Lucifer is whipped like a victim of the Furies. He's not shuffling any aces into his deck any time soon.
the series finale is gonna give Al a power up that allows him to beat up lucifer so he can be an actual threatening villain
Better asked, when will Lilith rape Alastor on-screen?
okay okay, call me a copeer, but im pretty sure Alastor wasn't trying to win, he went up against the strongest executioner and didn't bring an angelic weapon, someone he KNOWS is needed to harm them. Honestly if his deal is with Lilith it makes sense he wasn't trying to kill Adam (some clause about not killing people close to her) but instead stalled for time, he just held back a bit too much and got caught off guard
I kind of disagree. His monologue in the ruined radio station makes it seem like he was TRYING to break the confines of his deal if anything else. "There must be a back door". Adam could've been an unwitting part of the chains that bind him. Alastor just got wienery and let his guard down.
but if not killing people close to Lilith is part of his deal he wouldn't be able to do that and ignore the deal, like how Husk can't just say 'frick it' and fly away from Alastor, I assume it works with him having to play in the confines of the deal made and he wants a backdoor to get out of the conditions he's currently under
Ohh I think I get it now. He might've been trying to just incapacitate Adam long enough so that Nifty could finish him off. Basically what Lucifer was doing, only he beefed it. That would allow him to follow the rules while still getting what he wants.
Did anyone made a edit of that rent a girlfriend panel but with Alastor?
I'm pretty certain in the pilot(if it's still canon) is that he's the 87th strongest which is still a b***h position for KEKlastor
Man, isn't funny looking back at us freaking out about the leaks, how we all thought Adam being an exorcist was going to be the stupidest thing ever? And then he ends up being the most beloved Vivienne character since Loona, possibly more so, and he was written for us to absolutely hate him? It's pretty funny.
Nothing embarrassing about losing to a high tier angel. He put up a good fight. Adam would have mopped up everyone there except Lucifer
For me he's still the coolest.
Vox can have his gloating victory over alastor
the real winners of this season though are pic
Father/Daughter wholesome art is my new addiction.
Anything with warform charlie
what about morningstar charlie?
warform charlie is such a good fit. i want to cosplay it
I need a gif of when he backhands her
it is so cute :3
I feel like it was very tonaly weird that it takes losing the fight for charlie to finally start taking an active role (what, you didn't care enough before to try your hardest ?) and for lucifer to finally join in (what, your daughter was slated for execution and but you had better things to do ?)
I feel like it's somewhat implied by adam's banter that charlie wasn't an authorized target until she actually started fighting back, but it's never outright stated and the implication is very weak so I'm not sure either.
This show just does an excessively poor job of communicating the stakes of any situation (Husk pretending he had any choice in the matter of staying when he's doing what alastor is telling him to do is another good example, don't pretend you're one of them when you're forced to being here).
How will the Vee's function as villains for the second season? They may look happy about Alastor being defeated by Adam but the second episode already showed that at least Vox is inferior to Alastor.
They will be the team rocket of hazbin
>the second episode already showed that at least Vox is inferior to Alastor.
not so sure. val says that alastor "almost beat" vox so either vox won, they tied or the fight fizzled out before it ended. so vox is at least on par with alastor alone. if he's got the other vees and whatever other support he's gathered over the seven years that alastor is gone, he could win. plus alastor might be in a weakened state since adam fricked him up. plus you just know that vox is going to show the video of alastor getting fricked on every media outlet he can and that's going to cause trouble
but i think the bigger vee role will be more of valentino and angel dust. maybe velvette will finally do something
such a cute design
I don't know, if the fight between Alastor and Vox had ended in a draw or with Vox winning I think Vox's attitude would be quite different and he would have mentioned it when he announced Alastor's return in the second episode. It seems to me that the fight was going to end with Alastor's victory but for some reason he didn't finish it.
that's true. it could also just be that val phrased it that way to not upset vox and that he did actually lose the fight
who?
LMFAO
Does Lucifer know that Charlie made a deal with Alastor? I don't see him being happy with that
Idt anyone knows but Vaggie, and even she didn't hear the exact terms. It's pretty much only Alastor and Charlie who know how far reaching the blank check was she gave him. Maybe not Charlie rlly cause she doesn't seem to realize how bad she got fricked.
Yeah, Charlie shows a surprising amount of trust and affection towards Alastor even after the deal, she literally looked the happiest when Alastor returned after the battle even though you would think she would be on guard seeing as Alastor still has some power over her thanks to the deal.
I'm still hoping Viv explains at some point how the whole deal concept works. Like is it just something former sinners can do? We've seen no deals among the hellborn in helluva boss, so could Charlie make her own deal if she was so inclined? Interesting questions.
I honestly always saw the Vees as the typical nouveau riche, who think they are the best and it's only a matter of time before they have it all, while in reality everyone else in the same position sees them as a bunch of idiots who are not as powerful as they think and don't know what they are getting into. The fact that the other Overlords don't seem to have any respect for them and don't seem to care that the three of them are working together only adds to my belief.
Yeah that was my assumption too, especially since their spheres of influence, or at least Vox's, are fairly modern inventions. They got their power very fast and messy, but they lack the respect and seniority needed to be taken seriously. Especially since even among their trio Valentino' seems like a frick-up the other two only tolerate most of the time as muscle.
I mean the Vees DO have tangible influence and power, even if it's niche. Vox controls television, Velvette is basically their pr celebrity, and Valentino controls the sex trade. Between the three of them they've basically cornered the entire entertainment/vice industry in Pride. That's notable.
You are correct that they don't really have the respect of the other overlords, but they've also made it clear they don't think they need it. I think the main weakness of the group is that they are basically a matched set. All three of them think they are the most important V even if Vox is the de facto team leader. Does anyone think someone like Velvette could win a fistfight vs Alastor or Carmella? Not likely, but if all three of them leverage their resources at once it would be strong.
Honestly the fact that they are the only overlords who seem to understand the power that comes from being in a formal coalition is kind of strange.
Yeah, the biggest problem with the Vees is that they think they're superior to everyone and it's only a matter of time before they have complete control, even though in reality it's shown that the only reason they're still there is because the other overlords don't even consider them worth noticing. You just have to see how Valentino only stays alive because Charlie is too good to take him out or tell Lucifer how he licked her arm.
Need art of Adam/Sera with some other angels working at indian scam tech support screaming „DO NOT REDEEM” during the call with Charlie
All it proves is that Al shouldn't pick fights with high-ranking Angels. Anybody below that should rightfully be afraid of him.
I kneel for my HEROES: GENERAL SIR Pentious, CHADam, and Lute
I stand against my FRAUDS: AIEEEEEEEElastor and JOBggie
BROTHER
Did she think he was gonna kiss her in Ep 7 when he was leaning real close
I can't feel any stakes going forward for the cast of either show. IMP has Stolas backing them up and the Hotel crew has Lucifer basically cool with them and on their side. (they made use of the owl in that "death battle" so Stolas could bail IMP out of getting obliterated by Murder Drones)
I do not like the show at all but credit where it is due, I actually do really like that they didn't make this fricker a Gary Stu and knew when to hold back.
Do you have more Charlie x Alastor AI song covers
someone please draw Alastor eating some fine ass green
I WANT TO RAPE ALASTOR
>Adam gets reborn as a sinner
>He no longer has the screen face, representing his more human look
How would you feel about it?
Awful, if i have to constantly see that Shaggy-looking version of him even as a demon i swear...
Disappointed since having his mask become his actual face would be a great metaphor for the ugliness in his soul/the front he puts up physically manifesting, also the mask look is just much cooler
i thought adam would look more israeli this being christianity / judaism
Begin the day with a friendly voice
A companion, unobtrusive
Plays that song that's so elusive
And the magic music makes your morning mood
Off on your way, hit the open road
There is magic at your fingers
For the spirits ever lingers
Undemanding contact in your happy solitude
Invisible airwaves crackle with life
Bright antennas bristle with the energy
Emotional feedback on a timeless wavelength
Bearing a gift beyond price, almost free
All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty
Yeah, your honesty
One likes to believe in the freedom of music
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity, yeah
Seth would be proud
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For some reason every other Japanese Hazbin Hotel fan I see on Twitter is a Golden Kamuy fan
I kind of get it though, they both have over the top characters, homos and dick jokes galore
Why Charlie roll her eyes at the suggestion she has something going with Alastor
Because Charlastor shippers have been living rent-free in Vivienne's head, she NEEDS to tell your fictional crackship "NO"
It's all fiction though. Canon or otherwise.
You think Vivienne cares? She literally made Loona mute when people cared more about the Jizoku porn of her and Moxxie than they did season 2
Bro how the frick do I deal with having to wait 2 years for all these dumb cliffhangers to resolve. I hate that this is some indie shit that can't push out even a full season. I'm gonna lose my mind.
2 years? Source?
So what do you think is going to happen to Pentious? Why did he materialize in front of Emily and Sera instead of at the gate to meet with Peter? Will Sera try to hide Pent's redemption from Heaven and Charlie because if a Sinner could achieve redemption that means there was an alternative solution to the whole mass genocide thing.
>pic
that made me get teary eyed. what the frick. hazbin hotel has a grasp on my emotions that i didn't expect.
i just thought it was going to be a funny adhd furries in hell show. now i'm sitting here fantasizing about Pentious regaling Emily with stories of Hell, the egg boys adventuring around the new hotel, and shit. i might write a fricking fanfic.
Holy shit that art is precious. And I do think Sera will try to hide Pent's redemption while Emily is gonna be pissed about it. It seems like a sacrifice might be required to be redeemed. I really hope the main cast doesn't find out about his redemption right away.
this show has triggered my dormant autism and i want to spend the next 5 years of my life obsessing over every detail of it and talking with other obsessed lunatics in the fandom about it, but i don't have twitter and refuse to create one, and from what i've seen that's where most of the core fandom is.
are there any other places i can look? where can i go from here? Cinemaphile isn't enough.
i've never liked a cartoon enough to want to actively seek out the fandom before. please help.
how about tumblr?
You sound just like me 4 years ago. I never used Twitter or was in any fandom until I got into Hazbin. There is a small fandom on Tumblr but Tumblr doesn't allow nsfw content, which, frick that. Just give in, anon...
what do you think of the hazbin hotel subreddit?
https://old.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/
>Leave Adam to M-AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE C-CH-CHA-CHARLOTTE-DONO TASUKETE AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!
The funniest thing to me is that apparently he DID say "Leave Adam to ME!" since Charlie and everyone else agreed that Alastor was supposed to take care of Adam. He unironically said the fricking line that people were shitposting about in here for weeks,kek.
Alastor needs to be buck broken by an angel. Or vox.
I vote vox
I would be fun is Vox electrocuted him till his voice sounds normal
his voice effects going away for the "what just happened? ffffrick" after getting hit by Adam was a really good choice, but I hope they don't overuse that.
Has anyone made the Broly butt edit?
>WAKU WAKU ALASTOR
>I HEARD YOU'RE PRETTY STRONG
PSYCHOku would just give him his soul if Alastor promised him a good fight.
>Beerus-sama, teach Alastor how to be the god of destruction
>I want it to be a fair fight!
>Doesn't beat Adam
>Doesn't beat Lute
>Does the "leave him to me!" thing but actually jobs
>Next big enemy has to be Lillith and she is most likely the one who owns his soul and much stronger than him so he won't be beating anyone
It's over. I can't cope any further. Frick you Vaggie you took Alastor's only chance at a win.
there's still the inevitable Vox fight that he's bound to win
Yeah but you bet he is gonna be losing until Charlie does something and he wins through the power of friendship or some shit, making it an anti-feat for Al.
god that would be lame. i'd much rather see something like
>Al betrays the hotel in some way
>does some "i got what I wanted, bye" speech
>disappears again, nobody knows where he is
>Vees show up at the hotel to fight for some reason (Val and Angel drama? Vox wanting to use attacking the hotel and streaming it on every TV in hell as bait to drag Alastor out of wherever he disappeared to?)
>it's a losing fight and the hotel gang is getting destroyed
>Al shows up and fricks up the vees
>"oh alastor, you do care!"
>Video Kill the Radio Star starts to play
>AAAAAAYEEEEEEE HELP ME NIFTY-SAN
I heard Vox is one of the main antagonists in season 2 so Al might job again
All it means is that Alastor can't win against high-tier angels normally. If the tentacles were all wielding angel spears though, he probably would've stood a decent chance of killing Adam. Guess he just forgot and didn't try it though.
is there official merch anywhere?
Viv blocks people just for making jokes about her shows' flaws, so I can see her wanting to go out of her way to specifically sink Charlastor. OTOH with how crazy shipping wars have gotten, there's a benefit to at least spelling out that some ships aren't happening. In a vacuum there's nothing off about Charlie rolling her eyes at the idea that she and Alastor are dating or specifying that Alastor doesn't do romance/sex.
>https://hazbinhotel.com/#products
Only has pins and the trading cards rn.
>https://sharkrobot.com/collections/hazbin-hotel
Has other stuff, but not a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised if this part of Viv's store closes up within the year.
>I can see her wanting to go out of her way to specifically sink Charlastor
She doesn't fully understand how this works, does she?
>no-diffs you
>ywn have sex while drenched in angel blood with Nifty
furthest back thing I have is an Alastor shirt from Halloween 2021. Nothing recent though. nope. don't care.
>Leaked Season 2 scene:
So based. I hope we get more content of Lilith femdomming him
>mogged by CHADam
>needed help from Nifty to finish off CHADam
>this
At this point it's just sad
did sir pentious become a seraphim?
because his cobra hood has 6 indentations like wings and why did he appear in front of sera and emily? wouldn't it make more sense if he appeared at the front gates?
Honestly Alastor should be raped by Charlie, Lilith and Lucifer at the same time.
adam and vox can get a few licks in as well
Emily, Sera, Lute, and Vaggie want a taste of that action. With Sir Pentious, Cherri and the eggbois trailing behind
Alastor is so popular amongst the females AND males. How cute is he canonically? How does he do it?
Charlie needs cuddles from her Radio Demon. It's the only thing that can cheer her up.
>tfw Alastor will never stir you out of a depression by crawling into your bed and girlishly kicking his feet as you vent your woes
i wish i was charlie so bad
Alastor sniffs Charlie's bedding
Dunno how he does it but
>Mimzy
>Nifty
>Rosie
>Charlie (?)
>Various ladies from the cannibal colony
>Vox
>AD (but then again he flirts with anyone who owns a dick)
Alastor harem a la Ranma 1/2 spin-off when?
ENTER
So what will they do with alastor. I'm surprised viv made him less of a gary stu but that's good. But no way Viv doesn't have him get some redemption in the next season. Maybe he shows his mettle against the vees since they will no doubt come after him after smelling blood.
alastor is very much the big bad of the show, or possibly the one that will unwittingly make an even bigger bad rise up. He's a remorseless murderer that has never been characterized as caring about anything but power and his own entertainment. He might not be the most powerful entiity in the show but he's certainly the most driven. He cannot be redeemed as he would need the capacity to care about something that is not himself for that, and he seems to lack that entirely.
>never been characterized as caring about anything but power and his own entertainment
>he would need the capacity to care about something that is not himself for that, and he seems to lack that entirely.
you're just plain wrong here. they made a point of showing that he does like and care about mimzy and is happy to take care of any problems she has. his friendship with rosie seems genuine at the surface. and his conversation with nifty is meant to show how the hotel group is growing on him.
Alastor is just a very fake person that knows how to ingratiate himself to people that might be useful later. That's his whole deal. He threw mimzy out the second she was more trouble than she was worth. That's absolutely not caring lmao.
>He threw mimzy out the second she was more trouble than she was worth. That's absolutely not caring lmao.
He told Mimzy to leave after she was a shit friend that used him and put the hotel in danger. Pretty fair thing to do. He reacted much calmer about it than a lot of people would have.
You are insanely naive if you think the guy that has been obviously playing nice to charlie only to get her to sign a deal with her isn't like this in all his relationships, just gonna leave it at that.
Alastor won't be the big-bad lmao, At worse he'll do a forced / moment of passion betrayal and then come crying back to the main cast begging forgiveness for what he did because he had a 'Oh my god...No...this is all wrong...i made a mistake!' Zuko moment. And then maybe do an actual heroic sacrifice at the end of the show making his meltdown at end of S1 poignant.
He clearly let it slip to Niffty that he actually has grown to like living with Charlie and Co', Literally the one person he has ZERO reason or need to lie to.
jesus christ I can't imagine being this moronic
you have my sympathies
He does care about something other than himself. He cares about retribution and his own twisted sense of justice. He's not completely evil. Viv compares him to Dexter and it's shown in his comic that he likes to protect those who are weak and of fairer means. His name means spirit of revenge. Viv keeps saying he's an anti hero. But like
says the show is definitely setting him up to pick between his friends he hates to admit he's grown fond of or betray them in some way.
Honestly, Lucifer is way more evil than Alastor. He simply pretends that he is a good guy while gloating about his evil deeds and changing his face to whoever is near him. While Alastor doesn’t want to be manipulating others into thinking he’s a good boy and he’s their friend.
I think Rosie/Lilith might’ve been crying to herself all night when she heard about what Lucifer said about her on live TV. Because we didn’t see her appear after the Lucifer and Adam fight. And Alastor, Lilith’s puppet, was missing for quite a bit of time and tried to urge that he is no one’s friend… So that’s why Alastor was so being so sad, guilty, and regretful on making them think he made a “heroic sacrifice” for them. That stupid tiny packet clown!!!
Lucifer is legit next to pure evil in this Universe. Even in comparison to other fallen angels in HB. He deserved everything bad that happened to him. He is literally still the same exact evil snake in the garden of Eden from eons ago.
Can that one Alastorgay [alleged] FemAnon that writes fanfic give me a link to that one of Alastor eating a sheep demon which you wrote?
Adam had a great chemistry with lute
> butthole dudebro who is too laid back for his own good
> Militarized psycho queen bee that completely trust hierarchies and act as a foil
Probably the best dynamic in the show. It was a really bad call to kill him
>It was a really bad call to kill him
He was wearing a lamb mask. He’s prepared to die since the start to be the sacrifice.
He’s destined to return and reach the hearts of sinners and winners with his love
Lute is isolated from Adam for a time, and will be tempted to betray Adam like Eve and Lilith did at Eden.