according to an NBC news story dated NOV 15 2020
>special prosecutors have had discussions were they said they hope the trial will "humble Baldwin"
>specifically citing his run ins with paparazzi
>the intention is for this to be a "TEACHABLE moment for Baldwin"
>two women in positions of power have decided to use a murder charge towards a male public figure over things that they had read in people magazine
Whose side are you on now Cinemaphile?
I disagree with him politically so I hope he dies in prison before any of his kids graduate
I know this is difficult for people, and he is a roundly disliked individual but cmon??
People who disagree with me don't deserve to be happy
No justice, no peace. We aren't going back to brunch. Get a crowd together and push back.
Etc, etc.
time for words is over
everybody chose his side and now we just wait for the bullets to start flying
Baldwin would personally order public executions for all of Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile. He is literally /our enemy/
redditpilled
That's how you spot an election tourist
incredibly based. this is the world leftoids have been working for btw so they so zero grounds to cry about this (they still will though)
His wife is hot, even if she larps as a latinx.
On the other hand he killed a woman and thus I wish him all the best.
Love from Kazakhstan.
Absolutely fricking based. This should be the fate of everyone in movie industry.
No, seriously, why the frick should I have any sympathy for rich propagandist who wants me and my family gone?
Naw. He is also an arrogant prick. His arrogance and horrible job as a producer created an unsafe poorly run set which lead to a person being killed. He jas shown littlw remorse and continies to be an arrogant prick about it.
Good for the legal system for humbling him. His hubris is what caused a cimibally insafe set that got someone killed.
based
After attacking me and those like me for our beliefs why should I not feel anything but schadenfreude while watching him get his just desserts after killing a woman and injuring a man due to his negligence?
Exactly, this isn't even about Trump this is about the anti-white bullshit. You do anything to get in the way of securing the existence of our people and a future for white children. You can go jump off a bridge in my book.
I just hate Tina Fey so Baldwin's legacy getting rekt means 30 Rock is memoryholed. Tmk she hasn't spoken about the murder.
this. You know that he celebrated when dems did pic related to trump in new york.
>here’s that latina Hillaria I was telling you about
>I'm speaking!
I don’t get what all the fuss is about hilleria. Can any of you honestly tell my you wouldn’t enjoy a white girlfriend who thought she was a feisty Latina sometimes.
Holy shit so is he a israelite then?
he a good boy, he didn't do nuffin mane
No link? No nothing?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/previously-unreleased-videos-show-alec-baldwin-firing-prop-gun-blanks-rcna125294
evidence of him being very safety minded on set is out there
That ARMORER HAD ONE FRICKING JOB
>evidence of him being very safety minded on set is out there
He admitted on tape to refusing to double check the guns when prompted to because he didn't want to offend the newbie armorer.
You know this actually works against him as it demonstrates that he knew the rules and chose not to follow them.
Alec was aware of multiple safe incidents involving firearms on the set and took no action. He also lied and he never pulled the trigger when testing proved that it was impossible for the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled.
excellent points, it is likely that he fricked up hugely and lied to save his ass as he didn't feel wholly responsible for the incident(I understand his POV, I am just not agreeing with it per se)
It is very difficult to be honest and own our failures especially with so much at stake, so many lives really
>it was impossible for the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled.
The weapon was a Pietta clone of a Colt Single Action Army revolver with a hammer bar safety. Not only does the trigger need to be pulled to disengage the safety, the hammmer needs to be wienered beforehand.
Draw, wiener, aim, pull trigger. Four steps where disaster could have been averted and Baldwin made the wrong choice each time.
At first I thought it was maybe a case of a gun just going off by accident but now that I have an opinion from a /k/ommando who actually knows about guns it sort of sounds like a broad daylight murder
Not murder, manslaughter. Alec was being moronic without any thought of the safety of others, acting like a drunk fratboy.
so what?
next time use a car
Yeah but he notoriously hated the person he shot which implies intent and he said something like "Oh yeah maybe I'll just shoot you then"
It really should have been a murder charge, just because a moronic kid steals a short bus and drives it into his school killing 12 classmates because one kid bullied him doesn't mean it wasn't murder.
>notoriously hated
going from that to setting up an elaborate assassination is a big leap
>elaborate
he just shot the b***h
oddly he still didn't intend to kill them I suspect, when you are an angry person like he is you have little bouts of mania but you don't act on them you just ride them out
Angry persons with little bouts of mania belong in prison if they don't keep being a scumbag under control and kill someone.
People like these are one of the worst kind of people you can encounter in any environment, because normal people keep dismissing their behavior instead of clocking him into mouth, until they hurt someone and try to blame it on people around them.
>he notoriously hated the person he shot which implies intent and he said something like "Oh yeah maybe I'll just shoot you then"
That was a shitpost that spread around immediately after the shooting before people knew what had happened. Nobody since then has reported on any such thing being said and especially the prosecutors have never brought it up, which would certainly change what he's charged with.
>he notoriously hated the person he shot
>"Oh yeah maybe I'll just shoot you then"
In the original threads right after this happened, Baldwin was said to be just goofing around during rehearsal and said that amongst other jokey shit. No one said at that time he hated the victim for any reason, first time I heard that is in this thread.
There was no need nor reason for Baldwin to have drawn, wienered, aimed and discharged the pistol. Yes, the armorer fricked up. No, that doesn’t exonerate Baldwin.
Baldwin pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. Even if you think the gun is unloaded, you never do that, and this is why.
Even if there was some conspiracy and somebody planted the bullet to get Baldwin in trouble, he should have checked the gun himself (wasn't even given to him by the armorer) and he should never have fricking pointed it at somebody and pulled the trigger.
This c**t has done action movies and gun safety courses before and used to run his mouth off on twitter about how dangerous guns are, but he was still negligent as frick.
Earnestly, how many actors perform such a check before a scene?? I am not being snarky? Is it standard procedure?
How many actors point the gun at actual people?
The bare minimum he could do was not point it at somebody and fire it and he didn't even manage that.
>How many actors point the gun at actual people?
>The bare minimum he could do was not point it at somebody
If you have a gun on a movie set, chances are a scene requires you to fricking point it at someone and probably pull the trigger.
Honestly, it's lucky that the dumb b***h armorer who fricked up was the one getting shot and not some poor extra dressed as a cowboy that Alec is supposed to pretend shoot in a gunfight.
It wasn't the armorer that got shot. She's still alive and well.
Dude no. There is pretty much never a time where you have to point a gun at somebody. If for some reason they actually had to, they would use an obviously non functioning replica. Baldwin would be able to tell easily whether the gun he was holding was real just by holding it.
They also have filming techniques for when you need to point a gun straight at the camera so that nobody is ever in the line of fire.
Nobody is ever pointing real guns at anybody on sets since The Crow. Except Baldwin
Not real guns, or done in post
Of course it's photoshopped, you think 20 guys all stood around Keanu and pointed even fake guns at his head?
You can turn a real gun into a prop gun by removing the bullets
>the dumb b***h armorer who fricked up was the one getting shot
One of the biggest issues with this case is the number of ignorant fricking idiots spouting bullshit and muddying the waters.
Give me a QRD then, homosexual
Whether or not actors do regularly is up to anecdotes. Some actors (George Clooney, Micheal Shannon) have come forward and said that checking the gun - meaning that they get to view that the gun is safe via the person handing it over opening it and showing them - is standard procedure, others (Victor Talmidge) say that simply hearing that it's safe from the armorer is good enough, that people who double-check are outliers in Hollywood.
SAG safety guidelines say that an actor is expected to be responsible for the safety of others around them and that they have the right to double check safety conditions, but curiously a SAG-AFTRA statement after the shooting said that actors should not be expected to be firearms experts, and that if they were there would be no need for armorers.
He accepted a gun from somebody who wasn't the armorer. He can't claim that an expert told him it was safe.
Yup, the chain of events has like 5+ frickups that led to shooting.
All things considered the system they have in place is pretty rigorous and the results speak for themselves. Rust was the first time someone has been shot with a live bullet on a film set since 1915, which was before safety regulations on film sets were even created. The two other notable firearm deaths were with a blank and a a makeshift projectile caused by a blank firing through a clogged barrel.
What are you talking about, Brandon Lee got shot in 1994.
Brandon Lee wasnt shot by a bullet, he was shot by debris left in the gun from a previous firing.
Brandon Lee was the makeshift projectile. A dummy round got caught in the barrel after one scene, and then the next scene had a blank fire, which launched the dummy round.
The other was Jon-Erik Hexum in 1984 who shot himself in the head with a blank and died from the skull fracture.
The 1915 shooting was The Captive, where real bullets were used to fire through a door, and then the director simply told all the extras to reload their own guns with blanks. Someone still had a live bullet in the chamber and shot another extra in the next scene.
by a blank through a blocked barrel.
This gets into deeper legal waters with stuff here
>The individual acting in the interest of the producer
does this boil down to him being the producer or the negligent performer?
I understand this rule. My employer has a similar one about being "alert and attentive" to your surroundings that they hit you with when they feel like it
I honestly like the "support your fellow actors " part, my contract has no wording like that anywhere to be found
When you hand someone a weapon in the military, they cannot accept it unless you clear it infront of them and they are satisfied that it is empty.
Having a qualified armourer on a film set be required to physically demonstrate that the weapon is empty before handing it to anyone seems reasonable. Also requiring anyone working on a film set to sign a form listing the names of everyone qualified to hand them weapons and that after they accept the weapon they are responsible for it's safe use seems fair.
They get around set and when the armorer isn't a serious person they start thinking that the firearms she manages are not serious either. I don't really know how disciplined your average filmset is these days
Rust's set had crew quitting over numerous safety concerns, such as the armored leaving weapons unattended, crew members borrowing the guns to go shooting, live ammo being mixed in with blanks, etc
The union backtracked on its stated policy after one of its biggest stooges flagrantly ignored SAG safety rules and got someone killed? Ya don't say!
>others say that simply hearing that it's safe from the armorer is good enough
In this case, Baldwin was handed the gun by the AD, not the armorer, and the AD did not do any checks on the gun with the armorer. It's not even clear if the AD said it was a safe gun.
The issue here is that Baldwin is both the person in charge of the entire set (as he is the producer) AND the person that pulled the trigger.
So he was responsible for the workplace conditions, for hiring the armorer and for pulling the trigger.
Someone hands you a "prop" gun. Tells you to point it at your head and pull the trigger for a scene.
Would you check it? Would you make sure it's safe? If Alec was told to point it at himself he would've checked. Simple as.
>check the gun
And how tf was he supposed to do that? Point the gun at himself and pull the trigger?!
Also he was a producer that hired the inexperienced armorer and insisted they continie filming despite many crew walking off the production amd threatening to get the union involved due to how unsafe the set was. Even a costar, Jensen Ackles, said in a prior interview how poor the gun handling was compared to the tv show he was on.
>we're on a movie/tv board
>never point guns at people
I'm sure there's a million tiny details but overall I'd say an actor being handed a gun on set is not responsible for it. It's a different situation than loaning someone your car and they hit someone.
Now this is apparently his movie so in that way he is responsible in a corporation kind of way to hire people so low quality or irresponsible. I'm sorry but someone dying isn't an opps sorry situation.
I do think it was in bad taste to post a lot of family photos on Thanksgiving right after it happened. To make himself look good. It was odd out of all celebrities his family photos were in the news. I didn't really have a strong opinion about the guy but this aspect I have very little respect this person as a human being and I'm going out of my way to not use the word "man".
>I'd say
Good thing you're an irrelevant homosexual and your moronic opinions have negative value in all regards.
There is very strict gun safety laws that are supposed to be enforced on set, such as only the armorer being allowed to hand out the guns. The armorer wasnt even on set when it happened because of covid shit.
Baldwin is 100% guilty of at least negligence
He pointed a gun at somebody and pulled the trigger, even when they actually need to do that for a scene even with blanks they will generally actually point off to the side just for an extra layer of safety
>The armorer wasnt even on set when it happened because of covid shit.
What's crazy is people try to blame the armorer when she wasn't even there, where's the fricking logic in that
She was on set
>Responsible for overseeing all weapons on set for certain specified days was the production's property key assistant and armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, daughter of long-time industry armorer Thell Reed.[13] Gutierrez-Reed's last day as the production's designated armorer was October 17. On October 21, the day of the incident, she had no armorer responsibilities and was contracted solely as a props assistant.[14] Rust was Gutierrez-Reed's second film serving as lead armorer. On her first film, The Old Way, several crew members complained about her handling of firearms, including an incident in which she discharged a weapon without warning and caused lead actor Nicolas Cage to walk off set.[15]
There's also this
>On June 22, 2023, Gutierrez-Reed faced a second charge of tampering with evidence, in which the special prosecutors allege that she transferred "narcotics to another person with the intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of herself.”[4] They later specify from a June 29 court filing that she attempted to conceal a small bag of cocaine the night of the fatal shooting after her initial police interview.[88]
In addition to involuntary manslaughter she's also being charged with tampering with evidence.
>she had no armorer responsibilities and was contracted solely as a props assistant.
Yeah but the prop was a fricking gun
I highly doubt that Alec Baldwin received the same level of training your dad gave you, actors in action and western movies are essentially encouraged to run around with guns pointing them at people and firing blanks at them. By definition, they have a video game level of understanding when it comes to firearms and how a gun acts when you pull the trigger.
Actors are informed about basic gun safety on every set where they will be using one. He was likely very informed due to all his roles with a gun in the past, but just lazy and careless.
>actors in action and western movies are essentially encouraged to run around with guns pointing them at people and firing blanks at them. By definition, they have a video game level of understanding when it comes to firearms and how a gun acts when you pull the trigger.
Not only is that ridiculously false, Baldwin himself talked to police about how he's had many many hours of firearm safety training over the years.
So we could safely assume it was a blatant murder, right? Surely a savvy prosecutor could prove that due to Alec's hubris he assumed he could and would get away with just openly killing a b***h.
Rabid enough prosecutor absolutely could, but Baldwin is still elite adjacent, so it is a miracle there is any case at all.
>the day of the incident, she had no armorer responsibilities and was contracted solely as a props assistant.
So if she didn't handle the gun she's got no blame
>fem staff fricks up
>femcels try to being a good man down
I AM TEAM ALEC
He'a the moron producer that hired her and didn't fire her ass after numerous complaints.
Who hired them and pulled the trigger? Ultimately Baldwin is responsible for his own actions. I know it's a crazy concept. When people do something terrible like point a gun at someone else and kill the other person point blank by firing a gun, they go to jail.
OMG - Poor Alec Baldwin. It was an accident. So is running over people in a semi truck when the brakes go out. But guess what, people still go to prison for it.
My strategy for not going to jail is to not point a gun at someone and shoot them to death.
What people are failing to consider in this entire fiasco is that actors are some of the dumbest people alive, on par with middle school-aged morons. They have a team of caretakers who do everything for them from getting their lunch to combing their hair to picking out their clothing, not unlike a small moronic child would have. Then they go around pretending to be cowboys or police officers, much like a young moronic child would spend his day. They receive nothing but praise and compliments no matter how shitty their work is, exactly like you would treat a little moronic boy. You play along because if you don't indulge them they could get moody and throw a fit and do something dangerous and stupid.
I'm an IRL tard wrangler for a severely autistic and developmentally disabled kid. If I forgot to give him whatever medication he normally takes to curb his heavily moronic and violent behavior and he threw a tantrum as a result and pushed me down a flight of stairs, it would be improper to blame him and not my own negligence. There isn't a court in the world that would side with me if I tried to sue his family or the school district after getting injured. It would be especially irresponsible to have me work with him if I weren't given the proper training or certification, much like the armorer who didn't know what she was doing and was unqualified for her position. You basically handed a moron a loaded gun. It would be more surprising if he didn't point it at you and try to shoot you with it.
Anyone who has experience dealing with moronic schoolchildren understands exactly what it's like working with actors.
Those are all good points, that is why this new evidence that supposably shows him being professional and safety minded is interesting, and still at the end of the day who should be more responsible? It was that armorers only job was to make sure those weapons were safe to be played with
I have to disagree with you there. Tards have some idea of their limitations. This is why you don't commonly hear about them commandeering a bus to joyride while the driver is distracted or using their dad's gun to rob Gamestop. Actors on the other hand really do think they can do anything and their presence in any situation help[s more than just publicity (think Sean Penn saving the people of New Orleans). Many works have explored their self deluding bullshit like team America and Tropic Thunder. One hilarious story is Sharon Stone getting inspired to "make a difference" and hijack a panel event in Davos which cost UNICEF $750K.
>This is why you don't commonly hear about them commandeering a bus to joyride while the driver is distracted or using their dad's gun to rob Gamestop
The kid I take care of regularly talks about stealing cars and would almost certainly do it if he could get his hands on your keys. We also have to check his backpack daily on the sly just in case he does bring his dad's gun to school and mixes it up with one of his nerf guns.
>Tards have some idea of their limitations
You made that dumb as frick post thinking it was true, so clearly you don't, moron.
They are required to do gun safety courses for this you know. No excuse.
this moron was also the producer, he was the one responsible for choosing said armorer
>much like the armorer
She didn't give him the gun and he hired her, dipshit.
She did show the gun to the assistant director Dave Halls earlier in the day, which is why he made the assumption it was safe though he didn't inspect each round. Gutierrez-Reed claims she checked each round, though she says "I wish I would’ve checked it more." That's why both of them got charged alongside Baldwin, though Halls took a plea deal.
>Hyperliterate tard wrangler
????
The tards at my school all had doughy boomer women who clearly couldn't havk it as real teachers or Mexicans (like the cerebral palsy girl's vocabulary was 100 english words and 200 Spanish because her minder couldn't be assed to learn English and her real family couldn't be assed to talk to their daughter).
What gives with your doing what is usually considered a very crummy gig?
Believe it or not, I actually enjoy it. It takes a particular kind of person. I was playing TF2 the other day and I chatted with a guy who was struggling to find work, even in fast food, although he'd been applying. I suggested he try my career out because school districts are ALWAYS looking for applicants but he just gave me a straight-up "frick no, dude I could never do that, frick that."
People would literally rather work at KFC than do what I do even though the pay isn't bad, the hours are short, and you get plenty of benefits and time off.
I work at my old middle school and there are still teachers working here that I absolutely fricking hated when I was 13, so sometimes me and my little tard will just wander into their class and disrupt it and take shit from the teacher's desk just for the sake of stealing it and there's nothing they can do about it besides smile and indulge him while gritting their teeth. My tard and I both laugh about it later. It's so fricking awesome, he awards me a sort of freedom I never had as a child to get vengeance on the prick teachers that picked on me.
I'm pretty much the only person in town that can deal with him including his parents and that gives me invaluable job security.
I was a party clown and played a handful of moron gigs, and that was always fun but the grind of it being that day in day out sounds emotionally taxing. Plus I'd be scared of them getting a wild hair and caving my skull in while yodeling the Thomas The Tank Engine theme.
>the grind of it being that day in day out sounds emotionally taxing
Dude you were a literal fricking clown, I'm in a union and shit. But for real we do have specialized training to deal with morons on the warpath when they get agitated. I've seen tard wranglers that could tie up most black belts and put them in joint locks because they use their skills on an almost daily basis.
Well party clowns, you see people whenever they're partying, everyone's having a good time with the rare exception of fricking Instagram moms, god I grew to hate those women.
And I guess that the disposition etc of a moronic kid depends on the kid and what kind of moronic they are, anything ehere they're losing functionality like CP or early onset dementia would depress the shit outta me.
I became a clown to try and mitigate the fact that I'm a sadsack.
I know two people with CP and their brains aren't affected intellectually, they just can't move right.
One of them is my friend's sister and he tried to get me to be her boyfriend but I wasn't up for the challenge tbh. Her family treated her like a piece of furniture but they would always forget she was there so they shared information in front of her that she would use against people later.
Really manipulative but she had no choice.
>Anyone who has experience dealing with moronic schoolchildren understands exactly what it's like working with actors.
The solution is to strip actors of all their rights, just like you do with mentally moronic.
In the meantime 15 years of prison will be adequate punishment for Baldwin.
Even worse. He was also a producer on the film.
he had 7 white children with his wife. Is that why he inspires so much seethe? his political “satire” is so bland it can’t possibly be why.
I am certain that this annoys women very much, he and Hilaria may be very happy but to them she is just some kept breeding sow
Lmao look at the smug little fricker on the bottom right, it's like he already knows he's a Baldwin
Can't wait to see how entitled they grow up when they are not only wealthy Hollywood royalty, but also have a dad that literally gets away with murder.
the lil homie looks like a DUNC villain
People in power want to punish people for reasons not related to actual principled justice. This is essentially extrajudicial
>This is essentially extrajudicial
Except for the whole, you know, manslaughter part.
That guy in the UK who just got convicted of distributing "racist" stickers... well yeah your post describes him and his plight.
Not our old friend Alec, however.
They will wrap you up with their laws on a whim
>on a whim
No, Alec Baldwin committed manslaughter on a movie set. It's pretty open and shut.
I'm not him if that's what you're implying.
Prosecution
He pointed a gun at a woman and pulled the trigger. As a direct result of this action that woman is dead and another man was injured. This is involuntary manslaughter at the very least.
What are actors supposed to do now. Have some kind of insurance? Fire the gun in the air first to be sure? Special effects only?
We've been over this six million times since your friend Alex murdered that women.
Continue playing dumb, though. It might work eventually.
Hire an armorer to make sure the weapon was safe to play with(their ONE job)
ONE
Literally the last step of clearing a weapon is to point in a safe direction and pull the trigger.
They were setting up a scene and there was no call for a weapon to be discharged when doing so. Let alone one being fired as a joke while aimed at someone.
Visually check that there are no bullets in the chambers or the barrel after being handed the gun
>What are actors supposed to do now
Find an actual job.
Guns will be outlawed and the 2A revoked by 2030.
The Perkins Coie shills are out in force for Alec every time
I bet he just fell madly in love with her because the sex was great and he TOLERATES her spanish larp, nutty broads, again Alec is misunderstood
I don't care about celebrities' private lives
Honest question, if he hadn't accidentally shot the DP, wouldn't he have just shot his costar in that scene?
I cannot answer that, but it is interesting to consider
That would suck but at the same time imagine what a bad ass death that would be getting plugged by Alec Baldwin while you're both dressed like cowboys in an old-timey saloon.
>accidentally shot the DP
*negligently
*successfully
The director was standing behind the DP.
Prediction: Baldwin tries to shoot himself rather than go to prison, but he misfires and becomes Two Face irl. That's his fate.
>Whose side are you on now
Baldwin going to jail for involuntary manslaughter.
nah Im sure this homosexual was giddy over grannies who were at the Jan 6 rally going to prison for nothing. Frick him I hope he rots in jail
>damn Blacks rioting over Floyd, I hope they all HANG
>noooooo you should be able to riot, they were just heckin grannerinos overturning democracy!
Stupid games, stupid prizes, etc.
Old enough to know better
From what I understand, in a wrongful death suit, courts would look at negligence and liability, the key word being negligence.
Since it wasn't Alec's job to check the gun, one could argue that he was not the negligent party here. His job was to dress up like a cowboy and act like a gunslinger. It was the armorer's job to make sure the gun didn't contain live rounds, and therefore she was the one being negligent, not him. Should he have checked it? Maybe. But he hired someone specifically for the sole purpose of making sure the firearms on set were safe, and that person didn't do what they were hired to do.
You could always argue that he was negligent in hiring someone unqualified to begin with, but if he had no way of knowing that person was incompetent, that would once again fall to the armorer.
a)the armour wasn't present during the incident
b)Alec had received an email describing multiple gun related safety issues prior to the shooting
As producer he is responsible ensuring a safe work environment.
I am hired to maintain equipment, if it malfunctions why I am not present, I have to have an explanation
Covid restrictions lol. It probably wasn't the armorers choice to not be present that day
He was negligent by accepting a gun from somebody who WASN'T the armorer and just taking their word for it, despite having done gun safety courses before.
And then he pointed at 2 people and pulled the trigger.
Kind of a moot point when the wrongful death suit has already been settled with the family. They got some kind of payment but we don't get to know about it of course.
Regardless of civil negligence, criminal negligence is automatic when inherently dangerous activities are involved. Using explosives, chemicals, firearms, any negligence is considered recklessness with these because they can readily and obviously kill people.
Alex ‘more take and it’s your wake’ Baldwin will walk
She was a Slav, who cares
In American we take these matters very seriously and don't say things like
>oh they are slav so they are not white
>oh they are not white, they are barely even human
we respect one another's humanity here
She was Ukrainian, the first victim of the war.
>2020
Don't tell me this shit happened more than 3 years ago
It was in 2021
Didn't this all start with him doing "target practice" on set? I thought Alec Baldwin was a flaming liberal, wouldn't he dislike shooting guns?
>Didn't this all start with him doing "target practice" on set?
There were reports of cast and crew using the weapons to fire live ammo recreationally prior to the incident. There’s no evidence Baldwin was one of them.
Gutierrez-Reed’s biggest challenge was not just her lack of experience (she’d had a string of frickups on other movie sets too) but that she was brought in as a scab to replace the previous armorer and his team, who’d walked off after safety concerns.
I believe it was only about a day between her getting hired and the shooting, meaning she may not have been aware of the existence of live ammo on set at all, and I don’t think Baldwin would have taken kindly to a couple of days’ delay as she and her cronies inventoried weapons and supplies and inspected each individual bullet in case it was live.
I can't find anything that says she was replacing an armorer. It seems she was hired from the start as both the armorer and assistant prop master. The camera crew were the ones who walked off over safety concerns.
A week before the shooting, Reed was scolded by a producer because some shotguns had been left unattended. Despite that frick up (and others mentioned by the cast of her previous film) suggesting she's careless, the producer also complained that she was focused too much on being an armorer over her other role as assistant prop master. She replied that being forced to do both jobs is how mistakes get made.
the b***h was the typical ~~*currentday*~~ diversity hire
c**t has actually a fricking onlyfans
More like onlyflans
>There were reports of cast and crew using the weapons to fire live ammo recreationally prior to the incident.
lmao that's fukin stupid
why would you even have live ammo on a movie set where it could be mixed in with your blank ammo by accident? if you wanna shoot at shit go innawoods or to a gun range or something.
The crazy thing is that even if Alec is determined to be 1000% guilty by the jury, the charge of involuntary manslaughter in New Mexico is only good for like 18 months in prison and a $5000 fine.
If it was my sister that he killed I would want him to pay(justice), but I am not sure about prison. A hefty donation to her favorite charitable causes or something
>murder charge
It’s manslaughter you idiot.
Manslaughter is third degree murder
i dont think he should go to prison (unlike that nepo b***h responsible for weapons) but his reaction to that entire thing exposed him as a psychopath, he really doesnt consider anyone besides himself as a person
Not a full psycho but pretty close IMO, people PANIC when shit goes, I have been there, on the other side of it watching their panicked wheels turn and just looking for a way out of the intensity
Here's the full facts of Baldwin's case according to the prosecutor.
They're going hard on both Baldwin's role as actor for pulling the trigger and as producer for creating an unsafe environment.
So it looks like these are a ton of safety issues that are standard procedure that they all just haphazardly blew off
these sentences arent numbered and it isnt double spaced which are both proper standards and practices for legal documents. Likely fake
Isn't that for in-court transcripts?
You can google 'Alec Baldwin Probable Cause Statement' and find the same document, it's very much real and freely available. I just googled Derek Chauvin's probable cause statement and it's the same format.
This is all I found on "documentcloud" this is not an official site. Anyone can upload anything here.
https://www.nmcourts.gov/state-v-alexander-rae-baldwin/
^ these are the actual court documents
as you can see everything line is numbered and everything is double spaced
https://api.realfile.rtsclients.com/PublicFiles/f176abc1e5724236a069e99a176a74d5/a7218bda-de36-4588-a12a-3f90c5542f1f/Jan.%2031,%202023,%20State's%20Witness%20List%20for%20Preliminary%20Hearing%20
oh wow nvm it is in here
https://realfile3016b036-bbd3-4ec4-ba17-7539841f4d19.s3.amazonaws.com/fb60737d-e793-4531-b9bd-e56c80d9b1e1?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIMZX6TNBAOLKC6MQ&Expires=1706542662&Signature=y64mCiWZSTXmRXa02J4p%2BgjyQ6k%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3D%22Jan.%2031%2C%202023%20Statement%20of%20Probable%20Cause%20.pdf%22&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf
maybe the investigators who wrote the probable cause shit can use a different format. I have never seen a court document that looked like this. This is not the proper format
t. law gay
do you work in criminal justice?
I sure don't have time to read all this shit right now but I will try and remember to come back and read it tomorrow
And here's the full facts of Gutierrez-Reed's case according to the prosecutor.
So, if you're unqualified and untrained for your position, are you considered negligent or the person who hired you negligent?
Both are responsible, and both are being charged with manslaughter
Did they determine how live rounds got into the gun?
According to the armorer, she did not realize a box of ammunition labeled "dummies" contained 7 live rounds mixed among 43 dummy rounds. She loaded the gun, put it into a safe over lunch, took it out and failed to re-check it, then handed it off to the assistant director and failed to show him the bullets were safe.
Good Lord. How is she not being prosecuted for negligent homicide?
She is, same as Baldwin. Two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
I wonder how her father, a long-time hollywood armorer, feels about his daughter fricking up so badly.
I know people in my industry charged with this and they were often vigorous dedicated workers who made a terrible mistake, her act seems lazy to me. If they should be charged, why not she?
Dude pointed a gun at a woman and shot her.
He doesn't even deny it.
You're responsible for every bullet that comes out of a weapon.
>the intention is for this to be a "TEACHABLE moment for Baldwin"
well yeah, hopefully it will teach him not to shoot people and kill them
He's not responsible for the gun
Imagine it was a stunt setup, something where he had to be in a car that idk fricking rolls over or something. The stunt co-ordinators set it all up, all he has to do is drive the car to a certain spot then their preparations will do the rest. But they frick it up, and the cars rolls too far and squishes a key grip. Would it be his fault? No, not by any means. Authority over the stunt was someone else's, just like authority over the safety of the gun belonged to the armorer.
Yeah but imagine he had a conflict with someone on set and said
>"Oh yeah? How about I just drive this fricking car into you and run you over, homosexual."
That's pretty incriminating. Based, but still incriminating.
>He's not responsible for the gun
If you have a weapon in your hands, you are responsible for it
He's actually twice as responsible as a normal person because he was the producer (whose job it is to ensure safety on set) and the actor (whose job it is to clear the firearm before pointing it at anyone)
Plus his entire defense crumbles once you realize he wasn't even supposed to fire in that scene. Which means he want off script by pulling the trigger. The simplest explanation is that Baldwin committed first degree murder.
>He's not responsible for the gun
Shut the frick up Black person, especially when it comes to antigun vermin like Baldwin.
I once had shitty strikerfire gun that discharged on its own, literally just pick it off the table with finger nowhere near even the finger guard, luckily it was on the gun range. If I hit someone absolutely nobody would say 'He is not responsible for the gun' homosexual.
>If I hit someone absolutely nobody would say 'He is not responsible for the gun' homosexual.
As long as it wasn't your gun and you weren't the one responsible for maintaining it I would say that. I would have fought for you anon.
And you would absolutely lose, anon. Gun laws are short, but very clear about your responsibilities.
New Mexico supreme court has precedent about this:
>It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.
"Due caution and circumspection" meaning the basic rules of firearm safety.
>This moronic analogy again
I’ve seen you trying this in these threads before. Didn’t work then, doesn’t work now.
Imagine he was rehearsing a driving scene and he said to the director of photography “how about I just run you over instead” then unnecessarily drove towards her as a joke but actually ran her over.
Hopefully this clarifies things for you, you 80iq simian.
He never said anything like that before shooting, dumbass.
the first thing i was told before i handled a gun was never point it at anything you dont want to kill
We were told the same thing during army service. Never point the rifle at people, even when it's disassembled for cleaning, just to develop a safety habit.
Why are you guys assuming that Alec Baldwin is as competent as an Army ranger when handling a firearm? He's an imbecile. The very fact that he pointed a pistol at someone and pulled the trigger shows how unbelievably moronic he is.
It was the armorer's job to make sure the dangerous moron running around on set in a cowboy hat didn't have real bullets to play with and she somehow shirked this responsibility.
He's handled firearms on set numerous times. If it was his very first time your point might have had merit. By this point in his career he will have heard the safety procedures a million times and become extremely comfortable with a firearm in his hand. He doesn't have to have perfect precision to be safe.
He is extremely experienced specifically in handling firearms on a movie set. This means it's extremely unlikely for it to be an accident. A total beginner might have been nervous, or misheard the instructions, or been given bad instructions from a new armorer. Baldwin has no excuses.
What movies has Baldwin been in besides the one he was making where he's used a gun?
Serious question btw.
team america
god i knew someone was gonna say this shit when i asked it
hehe :^)
check IMDB
IMFDB is a better resource for that
https://imfdb.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin
>Why are you guys assuming that Alec Baldwin is as competent as an Army ranger when handling a firearm?
Because he is prominent advocate for Common Sense Gun Control, so I am sure he knows what he is talking about.
>>two women in positions of power have decided to use a murder charge towards a male public figure over things that they had read in people magazine
so did he shoot the camera lad in the head or not? what is this horseshit?
alec "i will murder women" baldwin
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They can't do shit. The sheriff in his district is up for re-election and is counting on Baldwin's support.
>two women in positions of power
No such fricking thing. Strike them and they'll immediately stop.
>The Sherriff can only get re-elected with Alex Baldwin's support
utter drivel
This is sad. Alec was always a kino actor. Why couldn't it be Goose or Adam Driver?
Adam Driver killed three people while filming a lightsaber fight in Star Wars, but Disney paid off the families and kept it quiet.
He pointed a loaded weapon at someone and pulled the trigger.
i guess him screaming about trump for four years wasn't enough
he deserves life in prison for having so many kids at such an old age. Black person has a newborn at 60
Insider here: the Clintons will arrange he is found innocent.
>BEING SET UP
It was his decisions to use real guns on the sets since he liked that one, he personally chose it.
It was his and democratic nutjobs decision to isolate the set due to covid not allowing the armorer on the set.
It was his decision to hire an unexperienced armorer who bought dummies without checking if she got the right thing.
It was him who pointed the gun and pulled the trigger during an heated argument.
How the frick can you set up a guilty person?
He shot and killed a woman while playing around with a firearm, he wanted to scare her by pointing a gun at her, instead he killed her.
Baldwin as always a psychopath, this only proved how evil he was, all leftsist have no morals or empathy.
>It was him who pointed the gun and pulled the trigger during an heated argument.
Damn for real? I never heard this part of it but I also haven't been paying attention.
the heated argument part is made up
Oh well then nvm
>Damn for real? I never heard this part of it but I also haven't been paying attention.
its not, even in his own testimony he said he was arguing over how the scene was supposed to look, and rehearsing how he will do it, he was never supposed to point the gun at the cast
if he fallowed his instruction instead of being a egoistical sperg he would have shot the wall and not 2 people
>an unexperienced armorer who bought dummies without checking if she got the right thing.
Interesting how the narrative turned into this when to begin with it was " the armorer was shooting the guns in her free time in the weekend and didn't notice a genuine live bullet was still left in the gun"
Just sounds like an attempt to unprovable disperse the guilt over more parties.
That's what gets me in these situations. You want to be the big boss man until you have to take real responsibility.
Rude thoughtless little pig.
This has given me a lot to think about. I was more in the actor relies on the other people camp. And that probably is a reasonable view. Then you get to the not my job stuff, some actors check, some don't, they probably should. Now in this case it wasn't just a scene went wrong. The trigger wasn't suppose to be pulled, low quality personnel, live ammo around. That kind of setting is his fault, he's the boss. This seems way more negligent than the Brandon Lee one.
Why was it even loaded if it didn't need to be. It's like a lot of bed shitting went on before the incident.
>This seems way more negligent than the Brandon Lee one.
I would argue both were as bad
Even if Brandon didnt die shooting blanks at people is pure idiocy
And using dummies with a primer? what the frick were those moronic fricks thinking
Literally playing with real guns shooting at each other real ammo with lower charges or with only the case, fricking everybody there should have landed in jail
Fricking hollywood israelites are untouchable
You do wonder how this would go with say a student film. I'm kind of surprised you don't really see that, two highschool kids trying to make a scene from Terminator or something. So it's like this is supposed to be a professional operation. You can't trust anything, it's always that was s contractor or some other thing like that girl that got hurt in the foam pit at a gaming event. The higher the budget the more people the less safe or something.
the goy mentality, thinking those above you are always right
in a small set you are the one personally responsible, in larger its some blue haired b***h with no experience nepo hire you are supposed to trust
the guilt is split among 4 people, the seller sold the wrong shit, the armorer didnt check what she bought, the AD didnt check shit and Baldwin made every wrong decision from the start to the end
>the seller sold the wrong shit
This sounds like bullshit to me. The armorer really didn't notice that it was a live round she had put in the pistol? If she can't tell the difference she's a shitty fricking armorer.
His kids are fricking ugly
I hope it's a teachable moment for him, about never trusting women, or israelites, or israeli women.
Hopefully his dozen kids also hear about his father being framed for this, and grow up to be based and redpilled.
Your sacrifice won't be forgotten, Alec
It's weird how many people are prepared to dismiss involuntary manslaughter just because a guy is a famous actor that agrees with them politically.
I think his main mistake legally speaking was shooting and killing that woman.
Now that’s a spicy meatball
I still don't see how he's held accountable for something that was a frick up in the props department.
I SIDE WITH BALDWIN!
Yeah. Whoever hired those people is to blame!