>Alienated their core audience in favor of a suicide cult who doesn’t spend money
>Marvel bombed
>Lucasfilm bombed
>Animation bombed
>Parks are in trouble
>Disney+ is an unprofitable moneypit
>SouthPark made their social justice efforts corny to normies
It’s over isn’t it?
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What? When did all this happen?
Welcome to the year 2023, how was your 10 year coma?
I want to say this shit started more around late 2017 or so. But it began with China pandering for a few years first.
Over the years
Started in Late 2015
It really was 2015 isn't? I remember that's when SJWs got angry at Age of Ultron because of Black Widow. 2016 was the peak because Ghostbusters.
ESG
that was just a wave, if anything things only escalated since gamergate (well ignoring the literal decades of corruption in academia by marxists and the slow acceptance of all the shit you call "normality" )
more like 2012.
It didn't; Disney is a strong brand. Remember: These are the same people who think Trump won. Not the crowd to go to for facts.
>Disney is a strong brand
Disney was ranked number 53 on the 2022 Fortune 500 list of biggest companies in the United States by revenue. That's a fact, from a source. Your feelings don't matter, dipshit. I know, mom said you are so special, but things you believe because you want them to be real are called delusions. Disney is one of the strongest global brands, period. This is not debatable (to the non-moronic).
>number 53
>Period
>This is not debatable
Yeah all those box office bombs and unprofitable business ventures sure signals a strong brand, troony
> brand. Remember: These are the same people who think Trump won. Not the crowd to go to for facts.
Trump did win. If Trump was such a loser that was easy to beat, the democrats wouldn’t be throwing every court case possible at him
Nice to have a recap
>Alienated their core audience in favor of a suicide cult who doesn’t spend money
Explain yourself
That thought you currently have in your head of what I mean? That’s what I mean.
He thinks their core audience is something other than children. Pixar themselves probably think that which would explain a lot.
Because as well all know, children love Strange World and Wish
Ah yes, both films are truuuullly filled to the brim with trannies like…………
Doesn't Strange World unironically have a gay non binary POC as one of their characters?
Strange World was made for fujos, it bombed because the US didn't have the fujo infrastructure that the east does.
Nobody liked Wish.
Fixing Disney Animation:
>Move 100% of production to Japan.
>Make Mickey Mouse the main focus again.
>Next to no celebrity voices.
>Kill off Disney TV animation.
>No humans.
>No more sequels to films no one asked for, in fact just no more sequels period.
>2D traditional animation only, no tweening and no 3DCG.
>No limited animation.
>No Politics.
>No LGBTQ+ anything.
>No SJW anything as normies hate SJWs.
>Targeted at boys/men or GTFO.
>Everything must be 100% like The 9 Old Men to the T.
How to fix Pixar:
>Absorbed into Disney Animation, Lasseter's film at Sundance is just as bad as any of Pixar's most recent films so bringing back Lasseter will not do anything, if anything it will only make matters worse.
How to fix Marvel:
Pretty much.
How to fix Star Wars:
Kill off the IP, it's been dead since George Lucas decided to tack on tacky special effects on the original 3 movies, let along the prequel trilogy.
>How to fix Fox:
>Keep the Marvel and Star Wars stuff that came with Fox stuff but everything else has to be sold back to Rupert Murdoch, if he dies then everything else gets sold off to NBC Universal or Paramount because Warner Bros is just going to wright if off as a tax loss.
>how to fix the Parks:
Pretty much.
There was more then a kiss, there was a whole lesbian make out session that lasted for over 10 minutes that was extremally important to the plot.
>Fujos
Even Fujos prefer it when the characters are straight because it makes it kinkier
Thing is, mini-Satan, you’re not selling to children, you’re selling to their parents.
>Parks are in trouble
Lel no, Disney adults will be consooming that for life
Of course not. Disney is so fricking huge it would take several decades of this to really KO them. A far more likely scenario is that they fade and get bought by someone less moronic.
Imagineering budget is heavily strained, and they're demanding changes to princess and the frog. Titanic thrashing with the closure of the star wars hotel.
Iger has been planning on selling Disney to Apple for quite some time
...but they can't make apple do it. I think apple would be idiots to buy it.
I just want Marvel and Lucasfilm free from Disney
their core audience in favor of a suicide cult who doesn’t spend money
...Incels?
Yeah trannies are incels but what does that have to do with the topic?
Posted this in the other thread. Something all you millennial boomers are ignoring is that the "disney face" itself is ULTRA CRINGE to zoomers.
Making zany disney faces was a fad with spergy fat b***hes on tiktok 5 years ago. And things that are a fad on tiktok always become super cringe after they're done and over.
So for a zoomer some disney princess biting her lip while rolling her eyes backwards doesnt look like the manic pixie dream girl it did to boomers and millennials, it looks like that annoying fat b***h classmate you had who's now cut off her breasts and shaved her head or some other cringe becky shit.
That shit doesn't look good to millennials and older gens either, it's one of thos stupid "generation stereotypes" that get popular online. That kind of stuff is only "cute" to Disney brained people, who luckily are dying out.
I wasnt talking about the fat b***h. I was talking about the disney cartoon b***hes with their manic BPD expressions that boomers and millennials somehow thought looked charming or hot or whatever you read into that shit.
Like the base that she's mimicing.
But since that's the only type of facial expression disney girls got it's now also considered cringe by default.
This wouldn't have happened if Disney didn't keep fricking recycling Rapunzels personality.
And overall looks
The manic BPD facial expressions started with ararielle
Doesn't matter now, even if it was considered cute or charming back then - its fricking corny and annoying now.
Sorta how people in the 20s and 30s thought the hitler mustache was cool and made you look like a chad.
Society simply moved on.
But back then, not all of the girls were so similar. This only started post Tangled.
They certainly had a template even back then, it's just gotten more and more refined by focus testing and destillation - until they had the perfect formula.
But turns out the formula got stale and nobody wants it anymore.
Snow white is the most noticeable
Look at how they fricked with Merida's face compared to her original design
Same face tbh. Merida was always ugly.
>Same face tbh. Merida was always fugly.
ftfy
The hair animation is sick I must say.
Is Bell just copy pasted from Snow White's?
>ararielle
Ara Ararielle
Animation has different constraints, weaknesses, needs and is perceived differently. It is fine for Disney's animated characters to have more exaggerated facial expressions and body language (anime does this too albeit expressed differently) and it's just a part of their overall 'look', Disney's character animation has always been very Broadway.
They should have been 2d animated within a CG environment, a sort of Roger Rabbit sort of thing. That said I don't think the stylization here was a huge problem, they all do technically look different within the bounds of the House Style. It just puts a glaring spotlight on the fact that Disney has a House Style to begin with.
This personality and quirks made sense for Rapunzel because it's a core part of her narrative to be a weirdo because she was kidnapped and secluded from the entire world for her whole life but still have an adorable side because she has a good heart.
But again, this is not a generational divide. Movies that came out while millennials were younger did well when they were good, and they did badly when they were bad, just like right now, regardless of specific quirks.
I see so many recycled arguments about why Disney is failing but the simple reality is just that they are putting out bad movies.
No, it has to be because Mars is in the title!
It's a mix of factors. But disney just isnt "beloved" anymore, because that came from disney films actually being special events and some element of scarcity.
Now with disney+ and constant availability people are starting to notice some of the old films not being as good as they remembered them either.
We never thought that shit looked good you moron.
Why are face-blind autistics trying to psychoanalyze cartoon faces now?
Parks are only in trouble because Covid kept them empty for a year and a half. And then people have still not quite gotten used to doing public things in wide numbers again like they used to. That one wasn't Disney's fault.
The Star Wars expansion bombed before covid, cope.
Disneyland is charging money for fast passes now when the system used to be entirely free. It's such a joke. All the food and merch prices have been jacked up too
>now
>SouthPark made their social justice efforts corny to normies
Normies care about South Park even less.
South park has this weird thing where almost nobody watches the show anymore but people still sort of catch the memes via cultural osmosis. Same for the "gingers have no soul" meme, etc.
South park will say a thing, 1 in 100 persons watches the show and he keeps repeating what he saw and then somehow after a month or so 90 of the 100 people will share that stance.
I have seen zero people memeing on their Panderverse special outside of Cinemaphile, despite some anons trying really hard to make it happen.
You dont need to actively meme it, OP is right, it's just considered corny now. They dont need to meme it, just by acknowledging its a thing south park spread the idea via cultural osmosis.
My source:
Look at the box office.
Your source:
crack pipe
Even my little nephews and nieces and cousins who used to love Disney were repeating the PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY AND LAME meme at Thanksgiving and were talking about how lame wish looks.
And those nephews, nieces and cousins's names? Albert Einstein.
>South park has this weird thing where almost nobody watches the show anymore
Trolls will keep parroting the lame and gay meme even if they say they don't watch South Park.
Gonna be a bad 1-3 years for Disney
>Disney+ is an unprofitable moneypit
Disney+ also actively fricking killed Disney by making their entire samey catalogue constantly available.
People got fricking sick of the formula by overexposure.
Back in the 90s millennial boomers got to see a disney movie as a special occasion when their parents rented the tape or bought a vhs for christmas.
These days the kid gets sat down in front of the television with a playlist of all disney movies in a loop.
You get sick of that shit REALLY FAST now.
>Alienated their core audience in favor of a suicide cult who doesn’t spend money
If you legit believe that, you are a braindead moron
Fixing Disney Animation:
>Re-hire old guard from 90s and actually skilled animators. Purge all the talentless millennials who waste money
>Cut out middle management commissars that waste money/do nothing
>Don't rely on celebrity voices
>Announce wave of new traditional 2D musicals based on myths like Beowulf, Odyssey, Gilgamesh, Little Match Girl, Great Expectations, Moby Dick, etc..
>Make 3D sequels of more successful properties (Frozen, Zootopia, Moana, etc.) or ez money and appeal more to little kiddies
>No modern politics, traditional values and depictions marketed as being for a "global audience"
How to fix Pixar
>Bring back Lassater? This might be the only shot but otherwise they're fricked
How to fix Marvel
>Get rid of the literal who characters for movies/TV shows
>Bring back Chris Evan/RDJ/Chris Hemsworth as your big 3
>Relaunch MCU with X-Men/Fantastic Four and build it towards Avengers vs. X-Men
>Limit releases to 1-2 movies a year
>Streaming shows are only on characters people care about
>Make movies serious and less quippy
>Make every movie easily accessible to new watchers
>No politics
How to fix Star Wars
>Completely scrap everything Disney has done except final season of Clone Wars & Rogue One
>Wait like a decade and keep the franchise quiet except merchandise/video games/comics/books
>Make a 7/8/9 based on the Old EU stories set long after the original series and not just have it be Empire vs. Rebels again
How to fix Fox
>Sell shows and acquired rights to other streaming platforms/studios
How to fix Parks
>Reduce surcharges on everything
>Get rid of genie+ and go back to fast pass
>Reduce stupid current year IP nobody cares about rides
>No more gay people stuff/politics/censoring old rides
Also shut down Disney+ and license disney stuff to other streaming services to make mad $$$
You only listed things that would be beneficial to the customer, not the company itself.
Disney now directly competes with Youtube, Tiktok and Twitch for view times and is losing hard. Zoomers and younger aren't going to pay for dinosaur entertainment, supporting indies and individual creators is more 'feel good' to them.
I agree on some points but disagree on a lot. I think many of their properties need to be put on ice for a while.
>how to fix Pixar
Whether it can be saved or not will be contingent on their next films. Sucks for them but many of their best films went straight to Disney+ and this ruined their brand perception. Unfortunately it might be best to fold Pixar and WDAS together. It made sense for them to be separate entities when they had different branding/consumer perception but now both have gutted reputations and they aren't distinct visually anymore.
>How to fix Marvel
The only thing i can think of to save the current MCU is to recast Black Panther. Honestly I'd be OK with Michal B Jordan (formerly Killmonger) being brought back to take on the BP mantle via multiverse shenanigans. Black Panther, Spider-Man and Dr Strange should be the new Big Three to act as the faces of the new phase and I'm shocked that this isn't the plan and that it was never the plan. Otherwise I would let Marvel fallow and focus on good quality cartoons and possibly videogames (drop all the stupid MCU live-action). Many people were interested in the MCU to begin with because they had fond memories of the cartoons. Then they can later reboot with X-men, I really like your idea of Avengers vs X-men.
>How to fix Star-Wars
lmao this is ruined. Your ideas here are good. I don't think they will do this though because they've invested so much in Star Wars park stuff.
>How to fix Fox
agreed, good ideas. But X-men can still be valuable. Valuable for how much longer? I dunno. I think a lot of good will for that is based on the cartoons and the original live action film series and you have a window of opportunity to strike before the iron cools too much and it's no longer worth it.
>how to fix Parks
all good ideas
>seeing politics in everything
sounds like a personal problem moron
back Chris Evan/RDJ/Chris Hemsworth as your big 3
didn't Chris Evan leave cause he didn't want to keep up with gym regiment have Captain America physique?
I think Chris Hemsworth is done with Marvel and wants to be in more serious movies than comedy slop where he's the butt of every joke
>I think Chris Hemsworth is done with Marvel and wants to be in more serious movies than comedy slop where he's the butt of every joke
he still wants to at least leave Thor on a high note.
>I think Chris Hemsworth is done with Marvel and wants to be in more serious movies
The only other thing he can do is schlocky action shit.
How to fix Star Wars
>Completely scrap everything Disney has done except final season of Clone Wars & Rogue One
>Wait like a decade and keep the franchise quiet except merchandise/video games/comics/books
>Make a 7/8/9 based on the Old EU stories set long after the original series and not just have it be Empire vs. Rebels again
I'd remove Rogue One too. But this is the only way.
And, of course, SW is fricking dead.
>How to fix Star Wars
scrap everything Disney has done except final season of Clone Wars & Rogue One
>>Wait like a decade and keep the franchise quiet except merchandise/video games/comics/books
>>Make a 7/8/9 based on the Old EU stories set long after the original series and not just have it be Empire vs. Rebels again
You are so out of touch that it's hilarious.
The normalhomosexual reaction to this would be:
>What? What about the last Star Wars movies I watched?
>Oh, another Hollywood reboot.
>The normalhomosexual reaction to this would be:
>>What? What about the last Star Wars movies I watched?
>>Oh, another Hollywood reboot.
You only need Disney shills start the publicity stunt everybody hates 7,8,9 and star wars + stuff and a reboot is a good idea... which is easy since everybody hate disney wars actually.
A reboot in 10 years will be celebrated. Believe me.
>just two more weeks, Bob Iger will slash and burn the parks and sell everything to Ron Desantis, trust me
>Everything in business has to do with woke/Anti-woke
When are you going to grow up and actually learn basic encon?
is only going to be over went everything looks like nagasaki just after the bombs aka your average 3° world hellhole adn I don't mean disney alone, they can still run like shit for 100 more years as long as banks keep printing money for them
The only way to save Pixar is to have Apple own it again.
Its weird that people think the problem with disney is le wokeness when something like spiderverse is as "woke" as a piece of media can get and that was a massive hit
disney is struggling because they pushed superhero movies for a decade and people finally got tired of them, the star wars films had shit writing, and theyre greenlighting dogshit ideas, bad sequels, awful live action remakes of 2D films, and have no idea what they actually wanna do or who they want to appeal to--children, or Disney adults.
Lightyear didn't suck because there was a lesbian kiss in it, Lightyear sucked because it was boring, ugly and unfunny, someone described it as Interstellar for stupid people and that sums it up perfectly. Wokeness is a boogeyman people are pinning the blame on to distract from the fact that Disney just isn't making good, fun, interesting shit like Spiderverse or the Mario movie.
...and honestly I'm all for it, I think there's a very sizable amount of people who have grown to hate Disney's guts for how aggressively they've fricked the entertainment industry in pretty much every single aspect, they lost the weirdos who care about niche shit, they pissed off all the gays by doing shit like axing Owl House for being too gay top of people having long caught on to Rainbow Capitalism's empty platitudes.
I wanna see more and more Disney movies come out and bomb, I want to see them run out of classic 2D films to sully with live actions versions and have to start doing some shit like making live action versions of the direct to VHS sequels. I want to keep reading about the newest MCU garbage fricking bombing, I wanna see them jack up Disney+ prices again to recoup losses and have normalgays flip out and bail.
After years and years and years of Disney sticking it's dirty fricking claws in everything, I wanna see it all fall around them.
Excellently put, two of the best films of the year, Spider-Verse and Barbie, were 'woke' and financially successful. The problem isn't 'wokeness' the problem is just not making quality films.
That's exactly it, I'll go even further. I think the reason Disney is bombing is because of arrogance, the people working on these movies, or maybe just the shareholders, know how powerful the brand name is, they know the kind of grip the Disney name has on literally everyone who consumes media around the world.
It's because how strong that brand name is that they feel they can do fricking anything, who cares if this movie isn't actually that good, who cares if it's corporate as frick and as sterile as an operation room, it's got that Disney branding, it's a sequel of a sequel to a beloved Disney property, it doesn't need to be GOOD, it needs to sell toys to little kids and return the investment---what do you mean people aren't going to watch it? It's DISNEY!
>axing Owl House for being too gay
didn't they axe it cause it cost quite a lot, in comparison to other animated shows, and was pretty shit?
I've dropped it after 4 episodes and was only checking out threads on Cinemaphile from time to time. 2nd season was better apparently, but I'm not surprised execs were salty over 1st season and b***h fits thrown by Alex and sometimes Dana.
why do people say they didnt watch a show and then expect their opinion to hold any value, if you wanna post sexy eda dont attach an uninformed bunch of text next to it next time
>bought marvel and star wars because they felt they needed to appeal to teen boys
>shove feminism and girl bosses into marvel and star wars completly alienating the teen boy audience
moron
Again with that shit. Teenage boys have no issue watching movies starring women or PoC, they just get tired of rubbish repetitive movies. Arcane and Spiderverse are as "woke" as it fricking gets yet teenage boys were all over them because they are good. It's that simple, and by blaming "wokeness" what you do is give Disney a pass for the shit they keep making.
>Teenage boys have no issue watching movies starring women or PoC
kek, the absolute cope.
>Teenage boys like a movie starring a male protagonist who wears Nikes and makes beats for fun
>this totally means teenage boys are into my trans marvel fanfiction
No, it's actually...
>Teenage boys like a movie starring a 3 foot mouse who's named after Mickey Rooney whos friend are a duck in a sailor suit who you can barely understand and a 6 foot dog who doesn't even look like the mouse's dog Pluto.
>This totally means teenage boys are into Marvel and post-Return of The Jedi Star Wars..
> >this totally means teenage boys are into my trans marvel fanfiction
Spiderverse is literally trans marvel fanfiction and it did gangbusters even though they trooned up Gwen.
That ended up being debunked.
Mario will win the Oscar next year, deal with it.
>in favor of a suicide cult
Other than being cowardly redacted, the problem with your theory is that Disney is not even close to be leading the way. Literally, what's the last Netflix show without a troony that you can think of, assuming they ever made one? Whatever you're accusing Disney of, Netflix doubled down on it, and yet Netflix is still doing much better.
Disney isn't failing because of your culture war, it's failing because they're so proud of the smell of their own farts that they thought that stamping the Disney logo on anything would turn it into a machine of making money, and people got tired of movies that aren't entertaining anymore.
Haven't watched a Disney movie since 2013. Went through the backlog these past few weeks.
I think most of them are good but there's an underlying pacing problem in almost all of them. For example, Encanto and Coco could've done a lot more with 20 minutes additional run time. Turning Red was pretty fun.
Raya was beautifully animated, but it has the most dogshit story out of all of them (it had like 8 writers, what the frick?).
I liked Raya except for the ending, personally. Coco was fine for me. Encanto definitely needed some extra time, it felt a bit under finished in terms of plot development. But those are all pretty good movies imo. I think there's much better examples of recent Disney movies with actual glaring issues.
>implying Disney won't use the Samson Option
whats that?
Jews have plan in the case Israel lost every option to win Palestine and control the country.
In the very last moment they plant to nuke with nuclear bombs all the territory so land hopelessly useless and uninhabitable.
"Israel is for me or no one."
The Samson option is nuking everyone not just Palestine.
their core audience in favor of a suicide cult who doesn’t spend money
But Cinemaphile hates them.
Normies don't watch South Park, only edgy 12 year old girls do, normies don't watch cartoons made after 1969 except for the first 2 seasons of Ren and Stimpy ditched off to Carbuncle and 80s/90s Telecom (TMS).
If you want the REAL Disney back Mickey Mouse has to be the main focus again like it was in the Eisner era, and it has to be the REAL Mickey that hasn't been used since Mickey's Mouseworks/House of Mouse, not a video babysitter or a SpongeBob knock off that stole it's art style from UPA, the real Mickey, the one Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks envisioned with Fred Moore's design.
That and buy SquareEnix as EA = The death of Mickey Mouse, if they buy SquareEnix Sora will never be neutered again when the next Smash comes and Kingdom Hears = The only place where the real Mickey is left.
We've all talked about this over and over here. What's next for Disney? Will Apple really buy them? If so, who will be in charge and do you think they'll make Disney based again or more corperate?