Ask questions. Discuss canon. Gossip for new movies. Aliens/Predator games allowed.
I will start.Are the Colonial Marines owned by Weyland Yutani? Was Bishop part of the marines? Because in Aliens he is seen driving them around and operating military equipment.
You guys ever read the Dark Horse comics? It goes into detail on this stuff.
The Dark Horse comics are on average very enjoyable
The dark horse comics were amazing. I still vividly remember the predator sequel with Dutch's brother and the Aliens sequel with Newt and Hicks surviving
I liked the idea of Xenomorph synthetics
Also Apocalypse was ironically more entertaining than Prometheus
What about Xeno Suits?
No. That's stupid
This is Star Wars sequel trilogy levels of moronic.
This on its own tells me nothing. I can see it working and I can see it failing miserably.
It would all depend on the script.
I don’t like it either way looks gay.
Would be better since aliens are psychic for them to explore that, have the aliens be remote controlled by psychic soldiers or something—til it all goes wrong of course.
No. The colonial marines are independent from the company. Bishop is serving in an advisor role from the company because he was familiar with the colony.
This. I dont want Bishop to have anything to do with the company
He is driving the fricking armored vehicle though. That's why I got confused. He is operating military equipment but works for Weyland.
I don’t care what anyone says, this movie is top tier kino.. watched it countless times on dvd as a youngster. Cool practical effects, action, setting, even the main negress is tolerable. Although I’ve always wondered, is the alien’s tongue really so strong that it can penetrate a predator’s mask?
Yes. Aliens are generally more dangerous up close in a melee situation. But obviously Predator tech makes them a lot more versatile.
It is, and AVP:R is only good because of the pregnant scene which was a daring move, and the tie in to Yutani
The Predalien being able to do that is a bit too op, but later on they explained that particular xeno was also a Queen-to-be.
Probably my favorite scene is when the xeno busts through the window and crushes the person looking out. I wish they spent more time on the town building the defense and slowly realizing that they aren't going to win
If they could fix the damn lighting first the movie would improve by at least 15%. But I did like the fact that they went with a proper rating.
The first movie just managed to be better directed and written.
It really was. The moving pyramid was an awesome set. I'd put it in the same place as Dredd or Priest. It's a good movie, but it takes you awhile to realize it
Also the female getting nailed to the wall by the predator disk was kino.
>checked
it gave a sense of how big they are yes
even though I dislike the movie based on it being too dark to see, I didn't hate it
Idk why they even bothered to shoot scenes with humans when all people cared about that film was 'Yay Wolf Predator slay'
Wolf remains the most based pred put on screen even if it wasn't the best movie.
It was fricking magnificent
Only pseuds dislike AvP
Its ok
AVP is amazing, ends up being one of my favorites of all the A/P movies just because I keep going back to it
It was my first Alien or Predator movie I've seen but I'm not going to pretend it's good. It just has an interesting setting. That's fine. Even if in the end it did prevent a Scott-Cameron collaboration movie. Fox was a little moronic like that.
BASED
So... who won? 1v1 alien won but Predator was without shoulder cannon. In the end even the Queen is killed even though the Predator dies as well so... cop out draw? How typical for a crossover.
It's a tie in the movie, although the aliens got the last laugh with the chestbuster.
In general, a Predator can clear out a room of Xenos and potentially kill a Queen, but it depends on the tech. If it doesn't have any weapons the Xeno will win.
Aliens
Dont forget that in the movie, those particular Predators were just cadet types, they weren't fully fledged warriors yet.
A developed Predator could frick up half a dozen aliens on his own
Uh, aliens won, idiot. Now the Predators are gonna have to experience what Sigourney and the gang experienced in Alien 1.
In the AVP books, the Yutja with just the staff should be able to take out 6-10 Aliens before he gets owned. Predator are way smarter than Aliens and humans.
The Predators in the movie were young, in blooded types. Older predators would probably do better, like Wolf in AVPR.
it is kino
Watching AVP in theaters was the greatest kino moment in my life
>climax of the film
>Lex and the Predator barely escape the pyramid before it explodes
>Predator takes off mask
>Entire theater yells "kiss!!!"
Holy kino, wish I was there. I've always shipped them
Lore fact that’s touched on in AVP you probably missed, the long head is the power apparatus for the skull busting attack.
I picked up on that too. The strength of the little jaw makes sense when you realize it's a functional piston. What I don't get are the spines at the back of some xenos but it might be some kind of antennae, fluid storage or sth else.
My head cannon was the tubes on the back allow it to survive in any atmosphere or vaccum.
Maybe, but some variants like the runner don't have them.
I guess their biology will always retain an element of mystery since it's biomechanical in the first place.
Maybe it's some human or humanoid specific trait that an ox/dog wouldn't naturally have. Or it could just be that the crew wanted to get closer to some of Giger's other designs.
>since it's biomechanical
Only according to Gaymetheus.
It looks like that because of H.R. Giger. It's obviously not a machine but a living creature. But its biology is largely unknown. We don't even know how they see exactly. It would be eyes under the cranial layer, but maybe it's some other sensor.
They don’t see. They’re psychic or “sense” like DBZ, they’re telepathically linked and that’s also how they perceive their environment, and why you can’t hide from them, they always know where you are.
Not having the tubes is such a stupid design choice, it’s like Cameron getting rid of the domes and just having the jagged exposed skulls which to this day still pisses me off.
The reason for this is simple. There's different types of xenomorphs. The one in the original Alien is the default. Aliens had warriors, with different, more layered domes and thicker tail blades.
Then Alien 3 had the runner which is the fastest kind, but not as strong as a regular xeno.
The very nature of how they're parasitic organisms basically guarantees they'll come out different depending on the host anyway.
they're all based on different giger designs
so kissable
I honestly can't tell whether this mouth design is more disturbing than the final result or not.
It's more erotic but there's an added degree of sentience here that doesn't sit well with me.
>KISS ME!
The blank dome is what makes it weird. This gimmick went to on to be copied by Hellraiser, Resident Evil, Doom and many others.
>Aliens/Predator
not the same setting sry
nice fan fiction bro
It's not horrible but it's not great either. Both franchises just get real corny when you mash the universes together. It's not the direction these films need to take. They need to get more serious. The only AVP I like were the pc games and the one on OGXbox
the vidya did it first, a movie was inevitable
Based af cover art. I miss the days when people actually tried.
Dutch working with Preds seems far fetched but a neat concept nonetheless
Someone should mod in a pair of alien characters. They could make them androids like Norbert and Jeri.
One thing I liked about this game was the infectoid concept, where failed face huggers still turned humans into zombie-like drones by fusing with them.
That's actually pretty cool concept. That should be canon and in the films. But slow useless zombies. Not the homosexual running ones on meth that all the movies use now.
They also came up with a bunch of original concepts for alien variants.
he only AVP I like were the pc games and the one on OGXbox
They will always have a special place in my heart. I still play AVP2 from time to time, but I would like to play AVP:E again at some point. Im not got at emulating shit though
Read the original AVP comics/novels. They are also dead serious.
Jesus christ, this post and all these replies better be bait. Though Cinemaphile has been taken over by the new gen so maybe not. Remember recent threads on Cinemaphile getting nostalgic about fricking brown and bloom. Shit's jokes.
It's not on the same level as the OG Alien or Predator but it's a fun "what if", basically taking advantage of the same ideas Universal monsters did earlier and just being entertaining.
The real issue is when a movie tries that and still fails. I think AvP succeeded.
I just remember being very excited for it and it ended up being more like Underworld but with aliens and predators instead of vampires amd werewolves. I can't see it as anything other than a cheesy 00s film with shit action.
It's a decent flick. It's essentially a rehash of Aliens but set in Antarctica with a dash of Predator 2 thrown in there. The Alien FX are extremely good but all the Predators look like fat dudes in bulky suits.
The company does seem to have a lot of influence in that future. But in the movie they didn't even do anything wrong. Burke acted on his own accord.
And from what I remember from the novelization and what we see in the movie, Bishop is part of the crew and it's pretty standard for a Marine squad to have a synthetic to perform certain tasks.
>didn't do anything wrong
I thought WY knew about the aliens the whole time in Alien 1&2
Did you actually watch Aliens? The company says over and over that they don't believe Ripley or that there's any alien creatures on LV-426. They certainly didn't build an expensive colony there, send hundreds of people to hang out, then wait decades until they found Ripley to wake it up if they knew it was there.
Burke saw a chance to get ahead and took it upon himself to start scheming. And he is the one who sent a message to the colony to go investigate the location of the alien ship, but didn't warn them that anything dangerous was there.
I just assumed WY are a bunch of liars and they were lying to Ripley most of the time. WY wanted that Alien in A3.
100% It was all bullshit in Aliens
No, they weren't. And that's exactly the reason that Alien 3 is non-canon. The directors just started making shit up regardless of if it fit, then turned WY into a non-sensensical evil supervillain like Umbrella. So they'll endlessly waste trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on this for some "bioweapon" and endlessly fail. Yet endlessly still be a company. Wow.
It's far more intelligent of a story that they were just a normal company doing their colony thing and a few shitty employees along the way fricked things up.
I agree with everything you just said. For me, it's Alien 1&2. Everything else is fan fiction. While I'm at it...
Star Wars is only the first 6 movies
Indiana is the first 3 only
Preadator is 1,2&Prey
Star Trek movies don't exist and it's only the OS,TNG and DS9.
And the Chronicles of Riddick trilogy is underrated scifi kino.
I disagree. W-Y definitely knew about the Aliens and both Alien and Aliens were a direct result of them trying to acquire the Alien for research purposes.
You can disagree all you want, but all evidence is against you. Literally everything in Aliens is FOR "the company not knowing" and nothing is AGAINST except your headcanon and silly sequels by other people that try to retcon it just to justify their own existence.
Not that they were the good guys and would've acted ethically if Burke sent those alien embryos to them but at least the main plot is instigated by Burke and Van Leuwen etc had nothing to do with it.
Colonial Marines are "independent" in so far as they are functionally separate from WY but all their gear is produced by WY and I'm guessing a fair amount of their missions are favors to WY because of shared interests.
I think Bishop, like all loyal androids, is a plant by WY. He's going to know what to do to be useful, but he's always watching
Good shit anon. But you got a source for the WY making all the marines weapons claim?
What was the bonus situation? Did it apply to all WY employees?
I imagine so
I mean, obviously it's just some random game but Dark Descent goes into this a bit. Wey-Yu is one of the Marines closest financiers so they have significant political pressure they can exert over them.
I'm playing Alien DD right now. It's pretty fricking good.
I played Alien Isolation at the moment, why again the Alien doesnt attack the synths? Havent watched the movies. Convenant sucks by the way.
Aliens can distinguish between organic and non-organic life forms. The Queen just killed Bishop because it was in the way, posing a direct threat.
They have no use for androids otherwise.
A human on the other hand is a potential host or food.
I see. Is the alien sequel canon? Why does Ridley Scott shit his legacy? So the ship with space jockey in it actually a warship?
I don't know what's canon anymore due to 20th Fox being bought. Probably only the first movie.
there is no official canon until a new movie is made
the synths are part of the sevastopol more or less, they won't do anything to the aliens either
you can trick an alien into attacking another human though
By the way, in aliens it is mentioned that space marines had fought worms. Are these worms mentioned again in a comic or movie?
I don't remember this. They mention a 'bug hunt' but not worms.
was the bug hunt supposed to be xenos? i read somewhere they were hunting for xenos but hadn't seen any yet, like they had evidence but no contact. probably read it hear and probably bs
It could be xenos or a reference to Starship Troopers. It had existed as a book for a long time at that point.
is bug hunt a term used in starship troopers a lot?
Don't remember, but the original working script for the movie was "Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine".
Space marines as a concept also comes from there as far as I know, so the ones in Aliens are based on them to at least some extent.
>Space
none of what your saying adds up to me, friend. space marines were not invented by starship troopers. there just marines in space. because space ships are ships and marines deploy from ships.
They weren't created by Starship Troopers but that work served as heavy inspiration for all similar space/future marines going forward.
nah. ya beat.
I always assumed the bug hunt was a reference to some other sort of weaker alien life form they destroyed. But some anon on here told me that bug hunt is term the Colonial Marines use to describe human enemies. It makes more sense in my mind that they encountered some sort of small alien wiener roaches they exterminated before. That's why they are so fearless against going against it. They thought it would be a walk in the park and had no respect for "the bugs."
They mention a "bug hunt" but it's not literally bugs. Bug hunt is a military term, apparently it was search and destroy missions during Vietnam.
It's still mindblowing that this scene can confuse seemingly so many people. The marines literally scoff and roll their eyes at the idea of a "bug hunt" because it'd obviously be a pointless waste of their time with no action in comparison to "a standup fight" that they'd prefer. How the shit can anyone watch that scene and come away with the idea that "bug hunt" means to actually fight anything let alone aliens?
Earth War is a great series by Dark Horse if anyone is interested. Dark Horse itself is severely underrated
Can't believe it's been 40 years since Aliens and they never used the Colonial Marines in a movie since. It's baffling.
Each sequel tried to do something different but in the end it went to weird places.
On the other hand, marines pop up often in the vidya/comics.
Wasn't the military in charge of the ship in in Alien Resurrection?
That takes place centuries later, I don't remember if WY still existed at that point.
The William Gibson script was really cool, I'll never understand why they didn't go with that.
I recall a line saying that WY was bought by walmart. Good movie.
>The William Gibson script
QRD?
>The William Gibson script was really cool,
>QRD?
Comic adaption of it here - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/William-Gibson-s-Alien-3
This was the stage of pre-production were Weaver was either demanding too much money to the producers wanted to make Kyle Reese the lead of the series so Ripley gets written out but thankfully isn't killed off like in some of the other scripts.
It's a Cold War allegory tale and a strain of the Aliens mutate into having a The Thing style birthing processes rather than the face hugger.
2 more adapting the original scripts for Alien 1 (by the total recall, return of living dead writer) & Star Wars.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Alien-The-Original-Screenplay
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Star-Wars
There was suppose to be 1 for the original Predator script but the rights to Aliens & Predator transferred to Disney before it could be released.
That's because Alien 3 trashed the franchise and it's been struggling to recover ever since. It took the story into a moronic direction that killed off everyone unnecessarily. They could have instead focused on some other characters in some other solar system and had marines involved.
Alien 3 is just a mixture of 1 and 2. You have the marine equivalent in the prisoners, but they have no weapons.
The story made more sense in these sets either way.
No other person has disowned 3 more than Fincher himself but I kind of like it too.
Bringing Ripley back in Resurrection felt like a bigger slap in the face even if I liked the concept of the Newborn.
So? The premise of Alien 3, that the queen somehow hid multiple eggs on the ship that weren't discovered, was incredibly stupid and unsatisfying. From the end of Aliens, it was already canon that the Sulaco and all on board made it safely back to Earth. That is satisfying. Have a time skip then have them encounter the xenos in some other location. Or just leave them alone and have some other group be the main characters. Not every movie ever needed Ripley to endlessly fight them. The best path would have been to age up Newt to an adult and just have a new actress play her.
>some other group be the main characters. Not every movie ever needed Ripley to endlessly fight them
I assume the funding of Alien 3 was predicated on Weaver's involvement.
the aliens are all female and exclusively have sex with human men
They're eusocial like some species of insects. The queen is the one who gives birth on its own. There is also a xeno "king" but he's just a queen with the inability to lay eggs.
lol yeah right
what story is that?
Xenos are waifus for human men and Yautja are husbandos for human women.
I demand a Predator x human female plot line. They could have done something with it in Prey but completely avoided it by making that one the least interesting and personality-less predator in all the movies.
Why don't they just make a fifth Alien movie where Earth gets infested leading to total war agaisn't the xenos. It's the natural progression from Alien(horror) -> Alien 2 (Action) -> Alien 5 (Epic Blockbuster)
I think that would be really dumb, unless it's supposed to be a depressing affair where 99% of humanity dies.
They did a weaker version of that in AvP: R, but if an entire planet was infested, the humans wouldn't survive. It's not exactly like a zombie apocalypse because xenos are a lot more dangerous.
All the animals on Earth would also present an issue, considering a xenomorph can use even a snake as a host.
True but maybe the humans would primarily be based on Mars after Eath was lost but then the Mars colony starts to fail so they have to reclaim earth
If 1 xeno crept off into the jungle unnoticed like the Amazon or something it would be absolutely over, the planet would be swarmed overnight.
Would be cool to see all the xenomorph variants based on different Earth animals. We've only really seen ones derived from humans, cow/dog and a predator. Imagine crocodile or elephant xenomorphs.
The Kenners Aliens toy line made a bunch of bad ass variants. We had Rhino,Snake, Wild Boar,Mantis Alien and even a flying queen. Check them out some time.
Nice!
I don't understand how xenos could infect scorpions or mantises or anything smaller than them though. Unless it's just describing what they look like?
The trunk as the jaw is brilliant. Wish they put stuff like that in the movies instead of just the human xenomorph.
>crocodile or elephant xenomorphs
Both have been done. Any life form can become a host which is why they would be an issue in the earthly scenario.
>Great White Shark Alien
>Grizzly Bear Alien
Fuuuuuuucckkkkkkkk
Fuccccckkkkkk...
Anything on Earth is a viable host
That’s a moronic design the alien wouldn’t change in form so drastically it would definitely be a lot longer and more slender but it would definitely still have limbs. That thing is just a snake but with an alien head on top.
It's based on an officially licensed product so technically it's "canon".
Not all predators need limbs, in fact, most of the ones under water + snakes barely use them.
Literally anything a facerapist could slide its dicktongue into is becoming a host and there’s nothing any animal could do to defend against it either. That fast little thing would scramble right up a bear’s back, or just leap right onto its face without it knowing wtf happened. Only thing that might pose a problem to the huggers would be a crocodile or alligator. But even then they’d probably just latch on and burn a hole through its face and inject the egg that way like it melts through masks to get at people’s faces.
That's the direction they went in some of the comics. It likely wouldn't do well in theaters. That's the problem with movies now, they're not able or allowed to experiment with ideas and alternate storylines like this since they can't be guaranteed to make big bucks
That's not true, that's the exact mentality the suits had which got them into the death spiral in the first place, and the exact same thought process that has perpetuated the death spiral.
Dude if aliens got on earth it would be fricking over. Frick Aliens on earth that sucks and is a shitty idea. Have them destroy some other world.
Didn't the comics do just that?
WY must be the most autistic evil corporation in any media
They could turn it into a post-invasion survival TV series, a la The Walking Dead but Aliens
Ever since Cameron, the xenomorphs aren't really that intimidating. Even a modern army would easily slaughter tens of millions of them. They only did well in Aliens because the only had to fight one squad of marines who were led by an idiot and unprepared, and the fighting happened in cramped quarters.
you can say the same thing about the original xeno. It was only intimidating because it fought unprepared crew on an unrelated mission, who kept making ill-advised decisions like letting it on-board in the first place and were being betrayed by an android that wanted to keep it alive, and couldn't use real weapons for fear of acid.
I would rather take my chances against a human. Unless you have a high enough caliber weapon, you're not doing anything to it.
Maybe if you get lucky like Ripley did, but that only happens in movies.
Sure, just saying that it's only dangerous to small, poorly armed groups and was never really this apocalyptic threat to humanity it got blown up into.
It would depend on their numbers tbh. The alien in 3 jumped out of a pool of molten metal. Sure, it died shortly thereafter, but they seem like a natural predator on steroids.
It's just that our own tech is incredibly potent at destruction, so even in the event a nuke is launched, it should be able to take care of most xenos.
True. I guess technically all the xenos in the first two movies are cut away from their own kind, since they all descend from the eggs on that one ship. It is possible that if they grow up around their own kind they end up becoming more intelligent tool users.
idk if this was from an Aliens comic or what, but I think some scientist there theorized that a lone xeno separated from the hive becomes way more intelligent and deadly to make up for its disadvantage. Which was an attempt to explain why the Alien (in Alien) was not only so dangerous, but also acted like it was actually evil.
This is true. IIRC, a regular drone has the potential to evolve into a praetorian and then a queen under certain circumstances. But in most cases, the queen is stored in a "royal" face hugger.
>wipe out alien hive at great cost
>one (1) bug survives somewhere
>it enters slasher villain mode and starts killing people right and left
Truly the perfect organism
That alien in 1 was making a nest, why wouldn’t it hunt and kill every threat, what did you mean by this.
he was referring to the all the aliens being killed off?
In terms of a tech-less being, it is the perfect predator more or less. Especially the variants that can spit acid.
Yes, any alien can become a queen if there isn’t already a queen, but they can also lay queen eggs that specifically spawn a queen right away.
>Even a modern army would easily slaughter tens of millions of them
The sad reality is that they'd probably fail unless serious arsenal is at play.
The situation in russia/ukraine and to a lesser extent current riots show how hard a meat shield can push.
Now imagine something that is stronger than almost any earthly being and twice as fast, with corrosive blood and the ability to reproduce at a rapid pace.
Face huggers on their own would be an issue if a little old flu caused so much commotion for humanity.
Russia/ukraine shows that even modern armies with artillery support and tanks have a very hard time advancing against prepared defenses. The xenos don't have any weapons that travel further than a few feet. In combat against a modern army in a field, they casualty rates would be like 1 to 10000 in favor of the humans. In cities and jungles the xenos would do better but they would still get crushed. Humans could just pound them with artillery and aircraft from a distance and then move in to pick off the survivors.
On a field, 100%. But as shown in Aliens they strategize on their own and will sacrifice large numbers of themselves on purpose.
I think humans would come out on top, but if it gets to any of the cities, the number of casualties would be quite high.
And if you throw in Predators in the mix, then it's overkill.
>slughter tens of millions
Nah. You no how many queens would be in that horde? A queen is smarter and uses telepathy to control all her drones like a general on a warfield. Plus, they wouldn't be out in the open attacking marines. Aliens are way smarter than people think.
That would just be boring CGI action slop.
I watched Alien3 again on Hulu the other day. I have to say, I REALLY enjoyed it and I don't think it deserves the hate at all. Those sets are fricking unbelievably cool. Am I moronic for loving it? Maybe even moreso than Aliens...
Resurrection is still pretty shit but at least the props are cool.
The sets basically predate the final movie. Fincher had to work with them whether he wanted to or not. Considering what a bizarre mess the production was, the film turned out pretty well.
It's said every single thread: it's a fine self-contained movie on its own, it's a dogshit final act of a trilogy or continuation of the story
Fair enough. I understand being invested in the characters. Personally I feel like the bitter ending fit the series fairly well.
Yes, Ripley riding off into the sunset with her new adopted family is the dumbest thing they could have done. They brought the horror back when they horrifyingly killed a kid and made Sigoirney watch the autopsy. We see a dog die, child die. Rape. Imprisonment. We see every awful thing we would never want to see in that movie.
And side note it has the best supporting cast of characters, love everyone of those guys.
No, this is as dumb as that latest Terminator movie that the director said should be watched after T2. "it's meant to be depressing it's horror" is cope because the entire movie was sabotaged and killing half the cast off screen just makes it too obvious. And the last movie finished that story. No more eggs, the derelict was destroyed. Alien 3 is so artificially tacked on it should've been a completely unrelated story but they couldn't help it.
>the entire movie was sabotaged and killing half the cast off screen just makes it too obvious
They picked a script where both Hicks and Newt died way before all the production insanity began
Michael Biehn was on board at some point and was even paid more for A3 than Aliens just to be allowed to use his likeness.
Yes there were several scripts before they settled on the version that first began production, my point is that killing of Newt and Hicks was decided before any "sabotage" or similar began
As I understand they always planned on killing Hicks and were going to make a prop of him in addition to Newt but he protested because he was offended they were going to kill him off. They negotiated him into accepting them using his likeness for a still image and paying him a lot more which ended up being more than what he was paid for Aliens.
It was a fine end to a trilogy, but having anything else after that would have(and did) ruined it. Fox should have made an animated series set in an alternate universe based on the Dark Horse comics.
>Fox should have made an animated series set in an alternate universe based on the Dark Horse comics.
Something in the style of Castlevania would be really cool to look at
No it’s not this is not said every thread this is just your cope. It’s a perfect ending.
Alien3 is the best one, reddit will seethe at me but it’s a fricking fact.
Nah. Alien 3 does not hold up because the CGI is atrocious for 2023. If they give it a digital remake it could be good again. The CGI is Babylon 5 tier.
I rewatched it recently and I wasn't put off by any of the effects honestly
Yeah, I actually remember it being worse when I saw it years ago but now I noticed it's decent.
There's one shot where someone throws a flare at the alien on the ceiling which is pretty bad, but most of the effects happen quickly enough.
The practical suit is top tier though.
>The practical suit is top tier though.
Everything practical in 3 looks great Imho, sets and costumes etc
CG was fine. Better than fricking Marvel and shit.
I couldn't tell you if it's the best, but getting it released is an impressive feat in itself. I honestly think Scott and/or Cameron would've buckled under the same pressure Fincher had, and it was his first movie.
It would be cool as a stand alone film with its own alien creature. But making it an Alien sequel is what ruined all the good canon and that's why fans hate it. Ripley deserves a happy ending.
>Ripley deserves a happy ending.
She kind of did if you count Isolation as canon. 'Least she had a qt daughter.
What I liked about Amanda is that you can tell she's more of a pussy than her mother but managed to pull through arguably worse conditions.
there's a solid chance I'd kms if I was on a spaceship with real aliens so she did ok
Aliens made the first reference to Amanda, but yeah.
>gets outlived by her mum despite living to old age
I would be fuming.
Shit, I forgot about the time skip, you're right. Haven't watched the OG 4 in a while.
I'd enjoy an Isolation movie
It's already an interactive movie. That being said I wouldn't mind if the game gets a sequel at some point, even though being a perpetual victim is not my usual play-style.
>perpetual victim game
I have been waiting for a black person simulation game forever!
This game really puts into perspective the brass balls Predators have to willingly go against multiple xenos.
Like hunting tigers or something.
Tigers themselves sometimes hunt and kill crocodiles which is equally insane to me.
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that was insane. cool vid
the interesting thing I think they did to the xeno's look in Isolation was making its legs double-jointed and tail extra long
It's the most similar to Kane's son, although the OG's dome was more translucent, you just couldn't tell due to the lighting.
It's just those legs give it even more towering height over the player, and the tail is just so long, creepy, and deadly in a way the movie couldn't portray
OG Alien is 6'10 (208cm). The subsequent ones were often runners or warriors which tend to assume a quadrupedal position. They have different pros and cons, with runners being generally faster, but not as strong as regular ones. They also lack the tubes/spines in the back, although I'm not sure what the reason for that is, or what they even do.
The digitigrade legs make it look smaller than it really is. I think it's because the alien is always leaning forward.
After years of playing AvP 1 and 2, I have to commend Isolation for putting the fear of Aliens back in me. One of the best made enemies in any game I played.
For sure, I was super relives when I got access to the flame thrower. Still not a perfect defense but will buy you some time.
I thought so too, and that snarl has been etched into my brain. The xeno is a nuisance at the very least and you hardly have enough calm moments, which at one point I found annoying because I wanted to read the logs.
If they ever make a sequel, pause the game during the logs.
you can't pause in real life
git gud
Sure, but I mean with live actors. And it might reinvigorate the part of Alien that we all like, which is the first and second movie and move them back to that instead of more Prometheus trash or Resurrection-tier shit. Blomkamps attempt was a step towards the right direction
I'm not a fan of re-creating existing concepts, but on the other hand, the Blompkamp project sounded interesting. Some shades of Resurrection, but "done right". His Robocop reboot also piqued my interest and he lost that too.
I guess we'll see what the future holds.
Do people still worry about that whole 'established canon' thing anymore? I feel like people all have their own little multiverse version where they ignore stuff they don't care for these days. It's not like the people holding the IPs these days give a shit about canon.
I mean, you're not wrong.
Yes, they are wrong. People do care about canon, not for all the tiny nitpicky shit, but to the point that it determines where the story goes next and which characters show up. Alien 3's canon ran the movies into a brick wall instead of it being stand-alone leaving the canon open to having a real sequel that followed Aliens and room for more with different characters if desired.
Can we just write off Alien 3 as a bad dream Ripley had in hypersleep? Yup, that's what I'm doing.
>Resurrection is still pretty shit
It's good
Would've been a great setting for Alien 3.
The fact that a Space Marine dropship is flying through through a space station kinda doesn't make sense. They'd have civilian shuttles for that sort of thing.
This isn't the Star Trek Federation. You're being a little to bit nit picky aren't you?
> Alien
Strongly Great to Amazing
> Predator
Great
> Predator 2
Great (remove some of the cringy stuff with Alonso & Paxton at the start & a few other minor things & it would be equal with the 1st Pred)
> Aliens
Very Good to Great
> Predators
Very Good (give Fisbourne more to do & make the doctor serial killer more menacing & it would be great)
> Alien 3
Good
> Prometheus
Good
> AVP
Good
> AVP-R
Decent (just improving the mother fricking lighting & make the cast more likable & it would raise it to the level of good)
> Alien Resurrection
Poor to Weak to Ok / Meh??? (really need to re-watch)
Haven't seen Covenant, The Pred or Prey.
>Covenant
It's a more Alien-centric sequel to Prometheus, but had a lot of re-writes to accompany fans' complains and the original draft seemed better. Worth a watch but don't expect much.
>The Pred
Worst Predator movie. Skippable.
>Prey
Not bad.
>Alien 9/10
>Aliens 9/10
>Alien3 9/10
>Alien:R 6/10
>AVP: 8/10
>AVP:R 4/10
>Predator 9/10
>Predator 2 6/10
>Predators 9/10
>Prometheus 4/10
>Covenant 4/10
The David saga can go up a couple points if you pretend it has nothing to do with Alien.
Didn’t see The Predator and Prey I’ll give a very generous 2/10.
2 6/10
Bruh?
I have nothing against Danny Glover but
>LA cop
vs
>killer black ops mercenary
he was a huge step down from Arnold and not nearly as interesting or compelling. It’s ALMOST great, a lot of it is great but ultimately nothing really happens. It’s kind of like the Jurassic Park 3 of the Alien/Predator franchise. It’s alright and looks good but the characters aren’t great and it barely even has a finale/third act. Predator 2 does with the guys trying to capture i guess but why weren’t we with those capture guys the whole time and getting to know them like the Aliens crew or something? I don’t hate it but don’t like it much either. Alien:R I dealt points for the opposite reasons, it’s a bit silly at times and feels way more like a “movie” than Predator 2 which is way grittier and more grounded, but unlike Predator 2 Alien:R has a lot of great scenes and a lot of action and decent characters. It suffers from just being kind of weird and a little stupid. I don’t know if I consider it canon or not but I still like it. I like Predator 2 but Alien:R I like more but neither I would consider very great.
Predators for instance is one of the most underrated kinos of all time imo thoughever.
You forgot Prey anon
No I didnt.
Sorry, I couldn't imagine someone being so moronic
>Predator 2
I believe my first ever glimpse of bush was the latina riding the gang leader guy on his bed in this movie.
That sex scene was fricking spicy bruh
Same. And then the guy gets hung upside down and killed. Edgiest shit I ever saw as a kid but I had to keep watching.
In retrospect, it's not that scary of a movie, but I remember the pred freaking me out.
Fookin voodoo mon
CUTE
Is it more suitable for a human to have a relationship with an Alien or a predator specimen?
Neither are suitable but the xeno couldn't even procreate with another being. Female predators exist, but apparently they're aggressive and have a bit of a praying mantis thing going on where they trash around the males.
Both have merits. The monsterfrickers deserve a treat
see
I really really really fricking wish they would just continue the Prey movies as a anthology series with new cast, locations & time periods each film like the comics/novels rather than continuing the Indian story.
Hollywood has got to fricking learn how to stop when they are ahead and not run things into the ground. Halloween 2, 4, H20 & 2018 all had perfect fricking endings and every single one got undone by and I say that as a fan of all the films of that series besides Resurrection.
i wish i could go back to a time where alien/aliens wasn't de-mystified garbage and every little part of the xenomporph wasn't explained.
Are the Engineers really just a bunch of morons living in a jungle planet? I was really expecting Paradise to happen and for Shaw and David to go to some Solaris tier actually ALIEN planet
Ridley is senile, best to just think of Prometheus and Covenant as deranged fan-fic tier garbage.
Well the confusing part is that yes, David is allegedly their creator, but there is also "cave art" of Xenomorphs in Prometheus. So the movies ended up creating more questions than they answered.
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Underwater - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Hell-Hot-Water
Civil War - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Hell-Come-A-Walkin
City (pre-p2) - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-1989
Russian winter - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Cold-War
Prison - https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Race-War
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https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Kindred
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Bad-Blood
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Big-Game
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https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-Primal
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https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Batman-Versus-Predator-II-Bloodmatch
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Batman-Predator-III
VS TARZAN
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Tarzan-vs-Predator-at-the-Earth-s-Core
VS MAGNUS
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Predator-vs-Magnus-Robot-Fighter
VS SUPERMAN
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-vs-Predator
lel, I forgot about some of these crossovers
pic related was probably the weirdest but you may as well
At this point, I assume that any fictional setting has aliens out there somewhere, unless explicitly stated otherwise
Covenant has one of the greatest woman moment of cinema history.
>Ok everyone, reminder that we are a super evil company and strive to do the most despicable things possible. On the agenda for today: that alien spaceship we know about on LV-426, the one with the xenomorphs that we could study and make weapons out of. One, should we establish a top-secret research facility on LV-426, along with hundreds of security personnel, to safely study the spacecraft and the alien creatures inside? Or two, should we create a colony there, wait forty years to come up with some random reason to wake the aliens up so they kill everyone while we learn almost nothing from the creatures and the colony is destroyed? Everyone's agreed on option two? Sounds great, let's break for lunch!
They weren't aware of the xenos. There's a deleted scene where the colonists find the wreck. But yes they are comically evil.
But they didn't do either of these things anon
The Aliens franchise has been drug through mud with a bunch of shitty sub par films. They need to reboot the franchise and take them seriously. No more EU tier writing and ideas. I'm still fricking pissed off at how more convulted and moronic Prometheus and Covenant made the series. Reboot it and make everything make fricking sense. Predator should reboot as well. But they will never ever TOP the og Predator film. Ever.
I think Predator should just have anthology films set in different time periods/settings like that one anon suggested.
Alien can have a new trilogy but bring it back to its core.
That would be cool. But I would also like a connected predator timeline with a inuniverse story that progresses forward. But a Predator slasher film with major horror elements would be cool.
They tried but oh no Ridley Scott has fricking dementia or something because he can't make good movies anymore.
>Predator should reboot as well
No just keep doing stand alone stories like Prey and don't acknowledge the 2018 garbage.
Yeah there is no reason to reboot when all the films are standalone anyway
What is the ultimate power ranking of Alien and Predator movies? Which do I skip?
They can vary in quality but I'd go through all of them in release order.
The one you can definitely skip is Shane Black's Predator, although there's probably some person out there who likes it.
Shane Black film is the only Predator movie I hate and I won't include in my head canon
It's really surprising coming from him too. He's made decent action movies and he was even in the OG movie.
The whole "autism is the next step in evolution" thing is weird for any movie to pull off, let alone so unrelated to Predator.
The one redeeming thing about it is probably Thomas Jane and that very first fight scene, although Super Predators are a bit of a cheap concept.
That's why I was so let down by this film. If any one should understand what made the OG Predator film so good, it should be Shane. But he obviously thinks Predator is a bunch of one liner jokes and he must have not watched the 2nd half of the film since he wasn't in it. Kek.
The bants were probably the highlight of his experience on the first Predator so he tried to recreate that environment in the movie but the entire thing felt like a Robot Chicken sketch.
In fact, I'd argue this sketch that was made to promote the movie was better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVrRjt69lhU
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Salvation by a fricking landslide. I'm not looking at the poll.
I winced so hard I almost popped an eye out of my skull reading this.
Predators is kino. Salvation was garbage.
For me it's Terminator 1,2 and Salvation only.
>taking place during the day
>twink Kyle Reese
>boring and nothing really happens and there’s no payoff or explaination to anything
Yeah it sucked. I’ll give you that it’s watchable unlike any of the other terminator sequels but there’s no way I’d consider it canon in any way. T1 is a perfect loop on its own. T2 is also a perfect loop on its own. Anything after that is garbage. James Cameron is a moronic homosexual for not making it a trilogy and doing 1 more Terminator that was the future war. Instead we get dick.
The reason we will never get a future war full length film is the same reason why we don't get an Aliens film on the Colonial Marines. And that reason is....uhhh...ummm...uhhh
The 2nd half of the film is all at night isnt't it?
Who gives a shit Kyle stressed traveling in the light was instakill suicide and it was only possible to reveal yourself from hiding at night.
But now the MCs are running around in the day and they encounter like 1 drone. And the 1 drone signals a huge mecha that walks (when it was on tank treads in the original movies…) to kill 2 people instead of the drone just shooting them OR sky net having eyes everywhere with satellites and shit and they could just send a plane to carpet bomb a mile radius from where they were spotted. It was just cheap and low budget and low effort and low soul. It’s just barely watchable.
I much prefer Predators too. Salvation gets points for originality but it never topped the future day scenes from T2.
Yeah, those brief flashforwards were kinigraphy, fricking imagine if we got a movie of that made a couple years after t2 by Cameron. He fricked up this timeline by not making that I think.
Would be better to rank them within their own movie universe.
Although there's a cross over with Terminator. One with Robocop never happened but I'm curious how Murphy's suit would hold up against a xeno's acid.
I live OG Robocop. He is a fricking bad ass. But Murphs suit wouldn't hold up against acid. Just look at how fricked up he got in Robocop 2.
You're probably right. I still think the Auto-9 is a high enough caliber to penetrate the xeno's shell at least.
For sure. Robocop would frick up some Aliens. But a queen would frick his shit up.
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But isn’t RC2 the beloved one and Alien3 is the hated one?
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Predator… who gives a frick about all those scream/Freddy/Jason homosexuals.
I like the slashers but their sequel consistency in terms of quality is definitely worse.
It seems the studios tried a bit harder with alien/predator even if there were some turds.
You should try these polls in a Halloween thread too and compare the bias on the results.
I like Halloween by H4 is nothing special. OG movie remains king.
>Was Bishop part of the marines?
Bishop was under Burke's orders, or at least the company's orders, because Burke ordered him to preserve the facehuggers and he did it without question.
Aliens lore fans hate discussing this issue.
They claim Weyland Yutani had no idea about the xenos. But in Aliens, the marines enter a lab filled with dozens of face huggers in jars. They read off reports off a clip board about the xenos. I want to emphasize that this entire lab was dedicated to xeno research. So it's safe to say the scientists had already been doing research on the xenos. Need I remind you these colonists and scientists work for fricking Weyland? You are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me the scientists or any of the colonists never sent out a report to WY about their findings and keep WY updated constantly about the most important discovery within all the mining planets? Sometimes the movie dosent spell it out for you but will drop hints. It's up to the viewer to pick the up the clues.
they didn't have email
I loved the AvP arcade game as a kid in the 90s. I was way too young for this franchise but stayed up late and watched Alien when I was 5-6 and started collecting all the action figures after. Man the 90s were great.
Sevastopol was the perfect place for an alien movie. They should definitely have a setting like that even if it's not an Isolation movie. But it sounds like the upcoming movie and tv show will be nothing of the sort
Maybe, but again, there's no point in retreading old ground.
Come up with new shit. Prey, regardless of what some people think, is a step in the right direction in that it at least does something original.
You can have a marine movie or something more horror-centric but ffs don't copy Alien 1 and 2 in its entirety.
I wouldn't like a marine movie either. I'd rather it go back to being more "normal" people like the space truckers. But what else is there for that time period around Alien1/2? Something on a: space ship, space station, colony, Earth, out in deep space or in the solar system?
What's the point of having evil Weyland Yutani constantly trying to get the xenos if not for making them into a controllable weapon or using them for some sort of bio-technology humans can use?
The best AVP coming through
Why did Red Xenos never make it into films or TV content?
Like what? Hellraiser? Anyways they got wiped out by regular xenos
I could Imagine David attempting to recreate them
This guy was a better menace than David
He's similar to Dourif's character in Resurrection but with a more clear cut goal in mind.
There was also some other scientist that made animal-xeno hybrids.
Ok, someone please explain this to me. Did David create the xenomorph species seen in Alien/Aliens/Alien 3,etc? If he did, how the frick did those eggs end up in what appeared to be an ancient derelict spacecraft on LV-426?
The David movies are pre-Alien. But there isn't a clear cut answer to your question, because xenomorph depictions existed even before David created them. It's an eternal question mark. He might've simply replicated the original formula, like creating a human with them already existing.
I appreciate your answers, but this is exactly why Prometheus and Alien Covenant are garbage additions to the franchise and should be considered non-canon.
Oh yeah they’re not canon in any way. Compete reboot.
Some concepts I liked, some I didn't, but the scripts went through so many re-wrrites and studio interference that I think less is more.
Covenant was so mediocre, even visually, it almost baffled me. Alien POV chase scene was even worse than Alien 3 decades ago
I think they'll end up being superior to what's in store for the future but we'll see
You’re 100% right about that.
I'm patiently waiting for that Isabela Moner/Merced joint but hollywood is in such a clown state I'm not holding up great hopes for it.
0% chance that will be even remotely watchable. No idea how you could hold out hope for anything.
There’s a couple big franchises you can hold out hope for.
>Godzilla
Owned by Toho so even if Hollywood makes the movie it won’t be packed with trannies and pedoisraelite politics.
>Avatar
Owned by Cameron so he makes it how he wants. No pozzing either.
Um… that might be it. Everything else is owned by either Disney or WB which means D.O.A.
I mean, the guy who's directing it also wrote the last Texas Chainsaw, and that wasn't pozzed, if anything it was a bit "problematic". But it's also not a good movie so idk what to expect. Guess we'll see.
Evil Dead remake was ok I guess.
>newest evil dead was ok
>newest chainsaw massacre was ok
You’re a much, much, much, MUCH more forgiving and opmtimistic movie viewer than me. I wasn’t even planning on watching the new alien thing, who gives a frick no way it’ll be good.
evil dead was ok
Not newest, I'm talking about the 2013 one. TCM on the other hand wasn't, but it was funny how Leather chopped up those tiktok zoomers.
Predict the new disney era Xeno movie's plot. I'm betting on generic 'Xeno in the spaceship'. Colonial Marines' return in live action? Never ever
Prometheus was some other sci-fi script they had lying around and slapped the alien brand on it, it makes no sense because they never intended it to make sense or thought about it making sense,. Fricking JJ Abrams little assmonkey Lindelof wrote it….. zero consideration was taken into any of it, dude probably never saw Alien before.
Would/ could an animated Alien movie or tv show do this series justice? I feel like they could do so much more with that medium and depending on the animation style it could be kino.
Yes, you just need a good crew. I caught some wind of a Terminator animation in the works, but I don't know what happened to that.
With Alien, you could even go the 3D route.
I think that could work, but like you mentioned, animation style could make or break it. It'd need to be detailed, dark, and treated seriously not like many western styles that are pretty trash for something trying to be scary
mcfarlane's style would be good for alien but that crew has been in hibernation aside from a few music videos
I think a style like Lily C.A.T would be amazing for an Alien movie. A modern 80s style would be so good
>Animated Alien movie
It worked out really well for Dead Space Downfall so even a generic "space truckers get slaughtered" plot should be a decent gore fest. Now could it actually be good? I really doubt it. The best we'll get is something like a Dark Horse comic and most of the recent stories have been messy garbage. I wouldn't mind seeing the alternate Alien 3 script get animated though.
I'd kill for an adaptation of Labyrinth in the style of Aeon Flux.
I can see an anime working too tbh. They should make one of those anthologies they did for Matrix and Batman.
I would fricking love an aniAlien
I just want to go back to Alien aesthetics of dark, bulky retro-future. Prometheus apple ipod bright slick holograms doesn't suit this series
>face hugger latches on to Bidens face
>makes Biden Alien breed
>moronic as frick alien that just stumbles in to shit all the time and tries to frick little chestbursters
but anon, he's already an alien
That's uncanny
An effective alien in its own right
>there's no xenomorphs here dude, stop spazzing out
the alien and the predator were played by black actors
cool