>Alison Bechdel takes a woman self defense class, thinks she can beat men and gets her ass kicked in a real fight
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>Alison Bechdel takes a woman self defense class, thinks she can beat men and gets her ass kicked in a real fight
I’m surprised she admitted it was a black guy and didn’t lie and say it was a white guy.
I mean she admitted her dad was a gay guy who dated teenagers and probably molested young boys(he was a teacher), so props for honesty
She still frames shit like that as inspiring to her shit deviant circle.
That's how I know you haven't read her work.
>she admitted it was a black guy and didn’t lie and say it was a white guy.
>It'd be WAY more shameful to be beaten by a weak ass inferior whitey "scrote"
That's how feminists think not me.
Catch-22 be like that
... the obvious implication is that most woke folk wouldn't admit they got robbed by a Black person because thats ~just a stereotype~ you mong.
>That's how feminists think not me.
Stop strawmanning
>her entire life is being a mentally ill boomer woman who grew up sheltered and just walked into jobs like nothing
I hate everything about her.
Yeah, people sure seem to forget that women are actually ridiculously weak compared to any at least average man. I'm pretty sure an averagely fit 16 year old boy is stronger than any woman who isn't a straight up musclebuilder.
you'd be surprised how many academic feminist types literally meme themselves into just not acknowledging it, I remember having an argument with this child who was a friend of a friend, like I acknowledged women had it shit but she was insistent "um actually that's sex reductive, the feminine form is oprsssed, not women, due to praxis" like frick it was so moronic
I was told by a 15 year old girl that I was a male oppressor or something and that I was abusive towards women just because I am male
Her life will be a heck of a ride
quads of truth
Well, there's something else here. There are gangster, life in the projects girls who have been fighting for real their whole lives, and if you get into it for real with them, they will just fricking shoot you, because even the preteen girls are all carrying, because this is real life and "a fricking gun" beats "martial arts classes." I would bet on them over nice suburban dude because they'd just shoot or stab him to death. But I might also bet on them even unarmed because some of them have been beating each other bloody since they were little girls and they fight to the death because they expect to die before they reach adulthood anyway, like any day.
If you've even seen The Wire, the girl Snoop is a real person, really the actress playing herself. She went to a women's maximum security prison for murder as a 14 year old girl. She got into a street fight, was carrying, and shot someone to death. I wouldn't exactly call it empowering at all.
"Real shit" in projects/gangs involves people who have spent their whole lives fighting every day to survive, sometimes to the death. It also includes little girls in street fights shooting people to death. Feminism?
Fighting "for real" in those places is not a video game.
I mean yeah, in my 3rd world country most gangsters are regular men who don't look to dissimilar from the office workers, they just have guns, I have been mugged 4 times, always with a gun, not much you can do when someone has a tekarov to your face
vidrel is more or less what happened in every case
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7JjgiYITFeo
Right. I mean I think martial arts are good for physical fitness and confidence and in a very limited number of situations (your drunk flimsy suburbanite friend flips out and you block a half-hearted drunken punch) it could be useful.
But if you're dealing with people who have spent their entire lives surviving really dangerous shit, criminals, etc. yeah they're carrying fricking guns if they can get them and anything else they can if not. Fricking Karate Kid won't help. Like expecting knights in medieval wars to go around without armor or swords wtf.
She wasn't using in self-defense which is the only time "for real" martial arts makes sense, you're fighting for your life, she would have gone for a knee and not helld back to throw up off balance and then run to safety or his junk, tried to gouge his eyes put best she can, try to break his nose or at least stun, try to break his fingers if she was grappling, etc. Instead she did showroom shit that would only provoke him, and she wasn't fighting for her life, in fact he wasn't even attacking her, so what the frick.
Better situation: She's carrying a gun or knife if legal, or pepper spray tear gas whistle, this is worst case scenario and she uses her self defense tools and going for real seripus maiming shit if it's really that or her life, not a fricking "punch" wtf.
I think it depends, like I remember reading a piece in the Guardian newspaper about this. Piece by Duncan Campbell, the crime guy. He said the Russian mafia and other criminal gangs in the 90s recruited from boxers, martial artists, and bodybuilders. cause being physically intimidating and fit is better for organised crime.
Well yeah. One nice thing about looking "physically intimidating" is it helps to prevent violence in more low-level situations. If just standing around those guys dissuade people from starting shit and can handle low-level shit.
I mean obviously if warfare gets serious, enforcers/hitmen are probably going to get a clear shot on those guys. The big guys just help it not escalate to that level.
I've noticed some less uh I guess "professional" gangs especially lately escalate to guns immediately just because someone "disrespects," why young kids in America are always gunning each other down, sometimes over nothing.
That describes most criminals in LatAM as well, it you remove the tattoos then most look like regular guys, its just they either have guns or just pure numbers and can easily overwhelm and curbstomp most people
>this is real life and "a fricking gun" beats "martial arts classes."
I read somewhere that even black belts don't fight against a large kitchen knife.
It makes sense since a single cut on a vital point and the fight is over...
>I read somewhere that even black belts don't fight against a large kitchen knife
The main thing is that, even if a martial artist has an intrinsic advantage over a melee opponent, you still never want to escalate to the point where you're opponents knifes are checked against yours. Any karate belt, no matter how legit, will not un-stab you. So, any karate-practicer worth their shit will know that just knowing an art doesn't wnd a fight in five seconds, because your opponent operates outside of the kumite rules.
>doesn't wnd a fight in five seconds
*doesn't win you a fight in five seconds
That's not to say it's a complete waste of time, just that stepping into a dojo, even if legit, will NOT assure you an easy win across any rando you encounter on the street.
At the WORST, you get some exercise, which sets you ahead of most people in the west.
>t. Green belt who needed more than training for a few street fights.
Close enough. It's understanding that the whole point of unarmed fighting is to not get killed, not get hurt, stop your opponent, hurt your opponent in that order.
Skilled, talented unarmed, vs unskilled untalented knife usually means severe, lifelong injuries.
Also, very few martial arts train vs knife and gun.
Unskilled, untalented knife rarely does more than gnarly looking but ultimate superficial wounds. Knives are actually pretty shit at killing people unless you know what you're doing.
None of those are weapons of war, they're personal weapons. Kunai and nunchuks were explicitly to bypass weapon possession laws. Tonfa are clubs.
Unskilled knife users get around that by stabbing one spot repeatedly for dozens of times. That will frick up anyone not specifically wearing some kind of armor or padding.
Unskilled knife users don't stab, they slash; that's the issue.
I like how even in her fantasy fight, she simply resorts to kicking the guy in the nuts.
I've seen enough black girls (and guys for that matter, and moronic white kids) fighting each other on the internet to know most fights are just wildly swinging as fast and hard as you can hoping to get lucky. You knock them down and then you start stomping.
Most martial artists would much rather face a gun than a knife. Most people have bad aim, and even trained marksmen struggle in a pressure situation. Maybe they get a shot or two off. You run forward and can try to disarm them. With a knife, they're basically just slashing you constantly within range.
This, which is my point here
, In a fight kung-fu or karate or anything fancy loses way to instinct and adrenaline, just having decent stand-up and having the muscle memory to throw a proper punch, will set you far-apart then guys and wild swinging
Holy shit none of those guys can swing no wonder none of them went down, that fight must have gone on for two hours.
>one white guy
>several blacks
Every tiem
>Most martial artists would much rather face a gun than a knife.
Fricking moronic.
You can outrun a dude with a knife
You can't outrun a bullet
Even in situations where you are forced to fight a knife can be disabled at the cost of one of your hands, while a gun is just going to kill you
Just fire bomb the fricking projects, Jesus christ we're beyond saving
Now this is cope
"out of shape fatass" is not "average" outside of america anon. That guy looks like he's 30-40.
It's average for the people of this board though
Is he white or black? His head is dark but his legs are light.
Mixed race.
Hillary lost
Shit, I meant Trump lost, sorry guys
they both have and you both keep coming here on their honor to not discuss comics or even cartoons. cant blame you since those suck lo. why are we still here?
Why the frick did he try to stand up? All he had to do was hit her on the face, he had her pinned down
In a real fight it would have ended there, she tried to get out of it but until he tried to stand up she couldn't, dude must weight 3 times as much as her, she wasn't getting out
Nah he lost fair and square, she underestimated his strength off the bat but got loose and presumably choked him out, she clearly knew what she was doing and he did not.
That said she's very lucky to escape after that initial bodyslam, if he'd taken her down ten feet over on the concrete it would've ended very differently.
It looks like a friendly match, he's tapping out there near the end
Women grapplers are fricking dangerous. I was actually going to make a post about this one lady I've seen choke out 3 different people and break a black dudes arm at a bar I go to after work. She has been doing Brazilian Jiu-jitsu since she was 6. Chick literally looks like a squirrel crawling up these huge dudes to choke them out. She put this black dude in an arm bar once and snap his fricking bone out his arm. She sprinted away and I'm pretty sure she never got in trouble for it because I still see her at the same bar. People must not press charges out of embarrassment. The arm thing was super fricking gross btw. Looked like a dog toy or something sticking out the dude's arm. Probably one of the grossest things I've ever seen. This lady is super fricking small btw. Like a whole head shorter than me and I'm 6'1.
Wait I thought she was a bouncer or something but she's just a random encounter villain? Lol
From what I've seen, BJJ was developed by a guy that was born much weaker than normal for some reason, so it makes sense that it's the only martial art women can learn and use against men that's actually worth a damn.
The compensation for the possible scenario of you being weaker than your opponent is built into it.
Ironically the guy's family basically ended up basically practicing Eugenics over the generations, where they now resemble giant shaved apes
You talking about the Gracies?
Welp, everyone knows BJJ now so you actually need to learn stand up now.
Brazilian Juijitsu>Sambo>Rugby
>Rugby
What?
It turns out being short, australian, stocky, and a former rugby player is more than enough to shut down a sambo guy who trained 20 years of it.
Got a link?
I'm talking about Volkanaski vs Makachev
Just look it up.
He "lost" but he clearly was the one who dealt the most damage to Islam face.
Eh, sort of. Judo off of Jiu Jitsu, focused on the big, flashy throws, and made it a sport. Especially at the end of ww2, Japan needed to convince America that it's martial arts were NOT a threat.
The majority of BJJ is actually old judo and jiu jitsu moves that were left behind. Eg. the difference between bujutsu and budo. The dudes who first brought it to Brazil was barely over 5 feet tall.
Judo and Jiujitsu have always had a significant focus on defeating larger opponents. But big frickers still clean house.. See also Wing Chun.
I remember reading years ago that women grapplers are so scary cuz of their center of gravity. Like if you're a bottom heavy woman going against a top heavy guy you can suplex him by simply letting gravity do most of the work. It becomes less about power and more about technique and positioning.
In certain schools of martial arts *at the same weight* skill can be more important than strength - and some skill based martial arts, combined with the element of surprise can overcome even appreciable size difference as
is describing.
It takes some mental gymnastics to contrive a fight where simply having a fat ass gives an advantage but I'm sure it's possible. Probably time better spent on improving skill though.
"God made man and woman. Sam Colt made them equal."
This is for real a mistake I made though. I had a girlfriend who egged me on into wrestling her "for real." She wanted to show off her training she was doing. So, I agreed and dominated her so hard that I hurt her. I still feel bad, and I'm still happy she was a good sport about it because she really good have fricked me if she had just told folks I abused her.
It's why the "new breed" athletes are dominating. Women can't overcome those limitations.
I know. And I had always sort of intellectually understood this gap..it took that actual match to put a real, deep understanding of how big a gap there is though.
On the other side, I'm still an out of shape giant. Over 6 and a half feet tall. My very short friend, 5'3'', who wrestler in college wrestled me. And he flipped my ass so fricking hard that even I had to laugh at it.
>And he flipped my ass so fricking hard that even I had to laugh at it.
Bullshit. Are you a fricking skelly beanpole and he's a dwarf? I refuse to believe that could happen otherwise.
No, I'm a big fat guy. My friend was basically a dwarf though. Wrestling does advantage shorter, stockier people to some extent though.
It's an average -30% muscle mass and some additional leverage disadvantages due to joint configuration but it's foolish to assume a fit woman can never get one over on a typical man with the right combination of luck and circumstance.
>average -30% muscle mass
Sauce? It seems like it'd be a bigger difference. At least -50%.
They did, but it was a much smaller trickle compared to the constant waterfall of gay men fricking and making each other drop like flies by the thousands.
Superman Syndrome.
Superman actually knowing how to fight is a new thing because its assumed that his sheer strength wouldn't necessitate him needing to know how to actually fight.
An average man who's never trained a day in his life could most likely beat an average woman who's never trained a day in her life. An average man could definitely get his ass kicked by a woman actually trained to fight (like, someone in MMA), primarily because he assumes his sheer mass would be enough to stop her.and wouldn't know how to deal with someone who knows where to hit a bigger target.
>It seems like it'd be a bigger difference. At least -50%.
Men (on average) have about twice the upper body strength and 50% greater lower body strength.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/bf00235103
The neuroticism drips off every panel. She must save a fortune on rent given how much she lives in her own head, imagining more interesting ways to frame that she had a slight endorphin high from actually exercising as some kind of whimsical awakening.
High school boys who are remotely serious about sports can easily break records set by female pro athletes.
There's that news article about a nation level women's soccer team losing to a male high school freshman team, and I don't think the women even managed to score.
>about a nation level women's soccer team
>a national level team
No, its about THE national team. The US women's soccer team are world champions and they get put through the wringer going against high schoolers. Its no random pick up game (though there are south american female teams that do that for training) but they still barely put up any points over an entire series.
Another example is Serena and Venus Williams losing to like the 200th place in the world who commented afterward saying he was playing at the level of the 600th to keep in fun and still won 6 to 1 or 2 in both matches.
Women are just biologically weaker than men physically because that's how millions of years of evolution made it, I don't know why anyone bothers to argue otherwise. It's not a rip against women or something, that'd be like mocking men because they feel less connected to their children than women a majority of the time, that's just how humans are
>I don't know why anyone bothers to argue otherwise.
Certain modern ideologies are incompatible with immutable physical differences between people, and people like ideologies..
Not only that, modern science and the rise of science fiction has given humans a way to defy their nature, for better or worse.
Dosing yourself up with hormones and growth chemicals leads to short term gains with long-term health degradation. Turns out no, you can’t just pop a pill and become a woman or become a superhuman. Your body eventually loses the ability to naturally produce those hormones given high enough doses on a long enough timeframe.
scifi is just wishful thinking, if not outright fantasy. you still can’t escape physical reality no matter how much cosmetic surgery and drugs you abuse.
>Alison Bechdel takes a woman self defense class, thinks she can beat men and gets her ass kicked in a real fight
Bechdel? That dyke peeminist who invented bechdel test? Lmao
>Yeah, people sure seem to forget that women are actually ridiculously weak compared to any at least average man. I'm pretty sure an averagely fit 16 year old boy is stronger than any woman who isn't a straight up musclebuilder.
Tpbp
Nothing makes feminists and the alphabet people angrier than when you remind them that the differences between men and women are more than culture.
thank god guns made us equal, she should carry
Her first mistake was taking "karate" McDojo classes like some kind of moron.
>boxing
>wrestling
>kickboxing
Literally any of these that actually encourage sparring is based.
As a rule of thumb, any martial art where a random-ass Joe Normie can become a 'black belt' is a joke. They exist solely
They exist solely to make money off gullible morons who thinks their twice-a-week 2-hour training class where they run around and then make some 'moves' for like 2 months means they're a shaolin master.*
>solely
...to...
...make...
...and...
destroy
A martial art is useless when the students aren't allowed to sparring. Nobody get strong for throwing punches to the air and the author admit they didn't punch for real. When a real fight happened, she still fought as she was doing a performance in the dojo.
Those are sports, not martial arts. Any martial art that does not teach you how to break bones and kill people is not a real martial art.
Guess you'll beat prime Mike Tyson and Connor McGregor then, cause clearly they are just athletes.
If anon wanted to kill them, and they defended themselves with their boxing skills against, say, a gun, what do you think would happen? See the word "martial" there? That means "war". Martial arts are those techniques used in deadly combat. There are modern sports derived from combat techniques, but they're not the same sort of thing.
If i stab them, yes.
If you don't some kind of real contact sparring, it is a total waste of time.
Either do something that is effective, or just do some tai-chi or yoga and stop lying to yourself about what you're doing.
>Black belt
>Jui-Jitsu
>Immediate first response is just to punch to the chest
>Wonders why she got her ass kicked
There are tons of McDojo's that teach horseshit led by fake black belts
It's an easy grift
The guy was a douche but it is never a good idea to escalate things. Better to walk away.
>Gets punched in the face by a mugger on the subway
>Turns it into a meditation on pseudo-Buddhism and theory vs practice
She's braver than me. If that shit happened to me I'd be too embarrassed to tell anyone, especially if I had actually been taking martial arts classes and thought I was hot shit.
I mean, your worldview before your first "real" fight vs after the fact is one of those right of passage things for most men. Women get in very few legit "fist fights" in their lives, so you'll rarely hear about something like that from one of them.
Fricking up and hitting rock bottom is actually a pretty liberating feeling. Or it can be, some people bounce back really hard after a major frick up or failure because it forces some kind of change or removes an old mental barrier.
Some people just never risk failing anything and stay static, rotting away forever and never progressing themselves or improving.
>Fricking up and hitting rock bottom is actually a pretty liberating feeling
As someone that was a former homeless cokehead, it really isn't a liberating feeling. it is pure existential dread and if you're not prepared to fight for your own survival and actively move past the stage to where you're camping out in the woods praying to god nobody sees you and gets offended enough to try and frick with you for merely existing, you become one of the walking corpses that populate streetcorners begging for change so they can buy a convenience store beer.
I'm glad you got better anon. Coke isn't exactly something most spring back from
Thanks, but I'm still a work in progress. I had three years of sobriety going until I fell off the wagon but the small blessing is my stumbles happen once in a while instead of every day.
If anybody else is struggling with substance abuse, just remember- things can get better, if you strive to do so. You ARE in control, even if you feel like you're not. And that momentary release isn't worth the long-term consequences.
Not a heroin addict but my brother was one(heroin is very cheap in my country) he was doing bad for a while, but he's doing a lot better even though most of the family doesn't wanna see him, he's got a Job and a family of his own now.
Isn't she one of those upper-class yahoos with their "rock bottom" is having to do without some luxury items for a day?
Like the Hollywood writers and their shitty strikes. Teamsters having to come in and make things look like they aren't just having a long coffee break.
>just as if I was in class, I stopped short of full impact
Well, there's a problem; she wasn't actually learning how to fight.
she does in fact admit realizing it.
She did something... I wouldn't say "stupid".
Just not well thought out.
But she DID learn from it, which is MUCH more than one can say of a great many number of people.
But then there's
, unless she's being ironic.
I mean, we are missing the pages in-between and successive, so we have no real context.
But just realizing "people really learn how to fight by fighting, and I just realized I don't really like to fight" is still a perfectly fine epiphany
That sounded more like cope to me
>If I had done the punch for real surely I would have won!
Woman moment
Naw she admits it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the next panel. She's pretty damn humble.
That sounds like pulling your punches on purpose.
I think it was because she had trained to do it. She had been trained wrong, on purpose.
by a s0yb0y?
Just by a business that doesn't want to bother doing it right. There'd be training injuries.
McDojo.
Guy learns some basic karate and opens up a school. Might even be good at it.
But, he doesn't want to deal with injury liability. Doesn't want to deal with potential students freaking out and crying because they ate a punch to the liver and dropped to the ground. Doesn't want to deal with parents screaming at him because their brat got his ass kicked.
So everything is taught with total light contact and light touch so no one can ever get hurt.
She learned it from a second wave feminist
Fricking illusion of power giving way to overconfidence of a swollen ego
I don't think the problem was her master
>Throws one punch
>Fricks it up due to not having any practical experience
>Immediately gives up and starts coping about weakness being freedom
lol women
Anon, she's a woman. While the 'muh being weak is actually good' thing is cope, no amount of 'training' would have stopped her from being a woman. The fact that she was able to just cry in the floor instead of going to the hospital means the guy was probably holding back.
Her punch was not ineffective because of her vegana, it was ineffective because she didn't follow through. When you hit someone it should be like you're trying to punch through them; their body should be what stops your fist.
No, her punch was ineffective because she's an urbanite woman with a twig arm and no fricking muscles. She could have been trying to punch out his goddamn heart for all that matters, it wouldn't have changed a thing.
That, and that she expected a shot to a few places within the human body to work like a vidya weakspot.
IRL, hitting anyone in the kidney is difficult. If you aim forghe chest, you're probably going to hit rib. You don't jur need to follow theough woth touching pr damaging, you need to follow through with something else, i.e. a lock or a complete disengagement.
The Black person was probably on 16 levels of pcp, he could have punched a wall through the subway
>When you hit someone it should be like you're trying to punch through them; their body should be what stops your fist.
You'd be surprised how many women wouldn't even begin to understand what you mean or why that would be more effective because they can't even understand generating enough force to not be stopped immediately by the unmoving weight of a person standing in front of them.
>you'd be surprised how many people can't understand basic physics
Anon you realize women are human, right?
https://steemit.com/steemstem/@alexander.alexis/the-70-year-cognitive-puzzle-that-still-divides-the-sexes
Anon martial arts is pretty much a fricking meme. Anyone who's actually been in a fight knows this. Not only is most the shit they teach you pretty much bull but the fear, adrenalin and shock all hit you at once and you pretty much turn you in to some raging monkey. The idea that even trained masters can stay calm and collected durring a spontaneous fight is bullshit.
You're really only talking about McDojos.
Actual combat sport gyms have full contact sparring. The adrenaline rush and panic from a blow to the face in sparring and on the street is the same, and repeated exposure to it does two things:
1 - makes it easier to shake off
2 - makes your kneejerk reactions in line with the combat sport
If you sucker punch an actual boxer outside the ring they're going to square up before they know what's happening
If you are panicking during a fight, you're not trained or experienced enough.
Keeping a cool head is one of the first things you learn at any MMA gym.
Everyone who has taught martial arts has dealt with someone going full, 'raging monkey'. Those types of people aren't hard to stop because they're extremely sloppy.
I usually dont try to follow through punches so i don't hurt people with my tard strength. Last time I followed through the guy cracked his head on a wall bad and nearly died. I dont actually like hurting people but I seemed to do it all the time when I was younger with little effort and people started leaving me alone
The entire comic is her basically her coping with her physical weakness and the fact she'll never be as strong as a man, who give half the effort she does, also her weird political projection
>The fantasy of physical fitness
I don't suppose she ever gets a gun. Still props to her for actually learning.
Problem is her frame and training arent developed enough to even try that. Pic is her.
that's a man, baby!
Men and women get harder to tell apart the older they get due to lower hormone levels.
I'm talking about her manly face.
Distinguishing between who is a man and a woman has been very important to us for centuries so we would know how to act toward the person we meet.
But in today's "Modern World"™ some people deliberately go out of their way to blurry the distinction and Corporatism(Corporations working together with the gov) is actively helping them. God help the future humans.
>But in today's "Modern World"™
Alison Bechdel is a classic boomer dyke, moron. Do the bare amount of research or at least admit you don't know anything about the people you're talking about.
I was reading her Dykes to Watch out for in the 1990s, asswipe. I even bought them back then. I KNOW what she is.
troony speak, if you have a vagoo you are a woman, if you have a dick you are a man. It doesnt matter how much make up and how short your skirt is, troony, you are still a man.
>ban pants
you have my vote!
Thats called public indecency.
How else can we immediately tell who's a man and who's a woman then? We might have to fall back on antiquated concepts like "who am I, subjectively, attracted to?"
>All these hormones going to transgenders
>Not being used to keep women from becoming hideous once they turn 30
Truly a crime
Actually it's more than legal to sign up for trt and estrogen therapy as a old person and your doctor will probably help out, it should keep you going until 80, most people just choose not to because most of them don't exactly look bad for their age at least, they don't realize that a random 20 year old would look better.
No, just an aging white woman.
Damn she looks miserable
For someone who has a lot of problems with men she sure tries her best to look like one.
>father alienates his family to frick little boys
>tries to cope and pretend she's doing well despite the PTSD
I don't think she chose either of the things you describe.
She looks like the chud meme
Sam Seder has breasts?
I hate that you know who that is. I wish I didn't know who that is.
Is this Scott McCloud's "Understanding Feminism"?
>starts on the path of self improvement by taking self defense courses
>loses a real fight one (1) time
> immediately declares that "fantasy of physical fitness is for fascists" and becomes interdependent
Damn, that's pathetic.
Poor lady
"Traditional" jiu jitsu guys always get their shit stomped when they walk into a bjj or judo gym, black belt or no. Unless you are consistently training at high intensity against a fully resistant, non-compliant opponent you may as well be taking dancing lessons.
>bjj
blowjob jitsu? I wish to volunteer my body for practise in the aforementioned mcdojo and I will sign any waiver presented to my face.
Fun Home is a good book and I appreciate Bechdel's candor in writing about a perspective very, very different from my own. This is a variety of lesbian that I appreciate - although I suspect in her real life she's pretty Ellen Degenerous.
>although I suspect in her real life she's pretty Ellen Degenerous.
Ellen is completely unaware of herself and has zero brain filter. Doesn't seem anywhere close to Bechdel who seems genuinely insightful and calls herself out for occasional butthole behavior.
>Fun Home is a good book
Disagree.
She didn't have the writing chops to write a good book. SHe tried but failed. Art is good.
Probably you cannot relate to any of the themes of the book whatsoever and that's understandable. For example I randomly also read Box Office Poison back to back with Fun Home and they're forever locked in a compare/contrast in my brain. I can certainly relate to the themes of Box Office Poison much more than the themes of Fun Home but I don't necessarily think that makes it objectively a better book. Their quality is approximately equal, I think - but then again I might just be taking an easy out by believing that. I should really reread both of them.
>Probably you cannot relate to any of the themes of the book whatsoever and that's understandable
No, that's not it. There are plenty of things I can't relate to that I think are good.
Maybe you're just a misogynist? Not attacking you or anything but I do kind of wonder if stories like Fun Home about a woman finding her own way completely separate from men and even her own father, who she loves, possibly having failed her on some inscrutable level might rub men who don't love women the wrong way.
What's it called? I can see myself reading that. I assume it covers more about her dad in, like, flashbacks and references. Their relationship was complex and I find it fascinating. Does there continue to be the subtext that Bechdel believes the accident might have been intentional out of guilt for giving her the "gay gene"?
>Maybe you're just a misogynist? Not attacking you or anything but I do kind of wonder if stories like Fun Home about a woman finding her own way completely separate from men and even her own father, who she loves, possibly having failed her on some inscrutable level might rub men who don't love women the wrong way.
I'm a woman and that sounds pretentious asf
I mean, you would probably need to have read Fun Home to understand what I'm talking about. Have you read Fun Home?
>Strong Woman
>Muh Soggy Knees
Fun House shows Bechdel's self insert constantly seek opprssion points after separating from their dad just like she makes her dad's suicide all about her. Just like Bechdel, she's not a strong woman or even a worthwhile person. She's just another ivory tower brat chasing clout while saying she's had it worst than everyone else because her avacado toast was slightly burnt after her her 6th glass of designer wine.
>TL;DR
It's not that deep namegay. It's just another white woman playing oppression olympics. For a boomer, she still writes like a 13 year old straight out of DeviantArt/Early Tumblr.
>Fun House
Man, you couldn't have demonstrated a failure to understand even the most fundamental theme of the book faster if you tried. I'm impressed.
>Maybe you're just a misandrist? Not attacking you or anything but I do kind of wonder if stories like the ones on r/MGTOW about a man finding his own way completely separate from women and even his own mother, who he loves, possibly having failed him on some inscrutable level might rub women who don't love men the wrong way.
There's coming up on a century's worth of Cinemaphile stories about men learning to be men without need for their mothers and what you choose to equate to Fun Home is r/MGTOW? Wew Lad.
Those are stories created in earnest, this book feels like an imagined reality, one in which the world simultaneously agrees with and degrades the author at every turn. I equated it to that cesspool for a reason.
>a Cinemaphile book feels like an imagined reality
No shit? Your problem is your own imagined world that "agrees" with a woman's autobiography. r/MGTOW is no more or less valid than the works of Alison Bechdel but it certainly has far less artistic value.
>Fun Home
It's great, the sequel about her Mother is really good as well
>Goes to punch a dude in the stomach for touching her ass
>Doesn't even throw a real punch
>Gets decked
Unironically deserved. She's lucky she didn't get stabbed or jumped by three other guys.
Mr Bechdel's open disdain for his wife and daughter was surpassed only by his love of young boys. He would recruit his young students to do shirtless yard work for him, invite them on overnight trips that his wife conveniently couldn't attend, and once got arrested for trying to lure a boy into his car.
Why did Alison become a man-hating lesbian? Just born that way I guess.
Because this isn't a man vs woman thing it's a mma gay learns street fights are nothing like real life thing.
Ali admitted that one of the boxing matches he won would have gotten him killed in the street if he wasn't in the ring, Andrew Tate's best advice for a fight is to run the frick away, especially nowadays when knives and guns exists, real life isn't Cobra Kai or Baki, a shotgun kick might down someone but then what, your grappling is under trained so they get back up and angrier now proceed to beat the shit out of you or worse.
>But it's better to know than no--
No. It literally will not help you. People peak at fighting once they go beyond a point of mental stability and are pushed too far, in that moment you won't remember any technique, it will be raw.
It's fine if you do this sort of shit as a sport and nothing more, but you're basically fricking moronic if you fell for the self defense meme, learning to play baseball and carrying a bat around you all the time like a fricking anime oc character is a better use of time and sports training than mma ever will be if you're going that route and even then you probably won't be able to do shit.
it still helps to be fit and know how to throw a proper punch.
Anon, you sound like a fricking gay if I ever see you irl I will literally heem you then rape you.
>inb4 guns or knifes
I'll blast a double leg then rape your bamhole brazza this not game meng
Indians like you only slap in fights though
Frick you homes you'd rape me for sure after you start enjoying my huge wiener beating your prostate and you start clapping those cheeks and throwing them back on me, homosexual ass.
Don't frick me bruh I got that dawg in me like Tony Ferguson fr fr no cap
Nah bruh you got me fricked up on Allah cuh, you gon have that cawk in you big fella, it's gonna be a whole ass Cinemaphile /cm/ fujoshi doujin in this bih fr them hoes finna bus' once I bust open that bussy on Ohio 100 bruh
>reddit spacing
>People peak at fighting once they go beyond a point of mental stability and are pushed too far, in that moment you won't remember any technique, it will be raw.
You're moronic. The point of repeatedly drilling techniques is so that you no longer have to think about them and they become second nature. Very common practice in non-Mcdojos is doing 4+ hours long gradings for belt ranks where you get absolutely exhausted so everybody can see if you can still do the techniques when you're dead tired
>Andrew Tate's best advice
Damn
Why do people that have never trained at all say shit like this so often?
Like, when you see a marathon runner, would you tell him that when he's exhausted he'll forget how to run? Or a hockey player that he'll forget how to skate?
She got hit once and then quit?
Judy Hopps Alison Bechdel is not.
It's embarrassing when Cinemaphile tries to talk about fighting or self defence, please stop.
the only kind of fighting I have done was when I was 11 and a kid punched me in the stomach after I won a foosball game
Seething mma gay exposed. Go back to Cinemaphile.
I agree though Cinemaphile is moronic.
no one is pretending to be an expert or badass ITT though, the only frequent advice is just avoid street fights and don't waste your time on Mcdojos
t. Brendan Schaub
This
Cinemaphile has this mentality that martial arts don't work just because you don't win a fight with one hit
A lot of people don't realize that reality isn't an RPG where higher stats will totally annihilate lower ones. If it was then boxing bets wouldn't exist and police dogs wouldn't take grown men down. Saitama style one-shots are only in fantasy for a reason.
which book is this from?
The Secret to Superhuman Strength
ah, hank you.
>in a real fight
She literally says she pulled her punch. No shit she got her ass beat.
>Her first mistake was taking "karate" McDojo classes like some kind of moron.
Even your average McDojo will teach you not to pull your punches in a real fricking fight. She didn't even protect the face, so this wasn't a Pavlovian thing where she was too used to light contact sparring and did what came naturally. This seems more like someone tripping over themself mentally under stress.
How the frick do you get a blackbelt anywhere and not protect the face? Frick's sake, they beat that shit into you in every dojo I've ever seen. You learn that shit before how to form a fist.
My homie she litterally buys the black belt for five dollars.
t. /heem/ and /box/ Chad
I regret to inform you that actual gyms make you buy your uniform. You don't get stuck sucking someone else's hand me down mouth guard.
>She literally says she pulled her punch
Oh, yeah, and if she didn't conceal her power level, that guy's guys would have been splattered all over the wall from sheer power. Right.
Shut the frick up.
>Oh, yeah, and if she didn't conceal her power level, that guy's guys would have been splattered all over the wall from sheer power
Bitch, I didn't say that. I said it wasn't a real fight. You can be at a disadvantage and still fricking throw.
I have no sympathy for women who swear. I'm not particularly fond of women who wear jeans, either.
One thing I've noticed with Bechdel is that in her nonfiction she always writes in this flowery, academic, almost dry style even when describing the most messed up shit, but in her comics like Dykes To Watch Out For the dialogue is all crass and vernacular. Obviously different genres call for different styles, but I'm surprised she can switch so easily.
If you tell a human being wrote this I wouldn't believe you.
many such cases, sadly hollywood created the fantasy that eastern martial arts are magical and can deflect bullets and break swords and in reality you just need someone who is willing to dogfight without rules and you will see all your favorite martial arts masters cry in pain as they are beaten on the floor.
>hollywood created the fantasy that eastern martial arts are magical
Asian movies did that.
hell, asian martial arts did that by acting like half their techniques are worth anything in a real fight. Chinese martial arts alone are 99% performative over practical. There's a reason you don't see tae kwon do and the rest of that bullshido in real combat sports- and its because none of it actually has any bearing on a real fight.
Actual self-defense courses will tell you that most street fights will eventually end up on the ground. Martial arts is sound in theory, but it only works in a controlled environment. Even boxing, you can apply it to a real-world scenario, but nobody is playing by the rules when you're being assaulted by a piss-drunk mugger.
I took some actual self-defense courses and they were all avoid fights, get away if you can, if you have no other choice go for the eyes with something sharp or the nose with large hard blunt object etc kind of shit and even that kind of shit was worst case no hope scenario shit, only if you are going to die otherwise kind of shit.
Indeed. There's no such thing as a fair fight.
The shit they teach people in the Army (BJJ) is specifically to take people alive. If you can shoot them and they need shooting, you fricking shoot them. Or you beat them to death with your carbine.
The Marines frick people up because the Marines are apparently not interested in taking prisoners.
from what I understand traditional chinese marital arts used to be practical at one time, however when the Qing conquered China they forbade the use of actual combat training and so that is why chinese martial arts devolved into metaphysical woo woo shit.
No. This predates that. See the Boxer Rebellion. The fundamentals of martial arts as we know it is an act of desperation. Tonfa, nunchuks, kunai, aren't weapons by design. They're farm implements.
>Tonfa, nunchuks, kunai, aren't weapons by design. They're farm implements.
>Spears, pikes, pitchforks, axes, scythes
Farming equipment as makeshift weapons is near universal for any developing culture that isn't stuck in the stone age.
Correct, but then specifically training weapons forms around those implements, even when that style of farming has gone out of style.
>dad's suicide
>woman is screaming
>"why was he waving a fistful of money at me?"
>sissy punch was most definitely intentionally bad
>gets the shit beat out of her by a dude that's piss-pants drunk
is this by that b***h Erika Moen?
no Erika is the depressed lesbian who totally loves being a dyke, whose depression ends when she ends up with a guy
>no Erika is the depressed lesbian who totally loves being a dyke, whose depression ends when she ends up with a guy
Lol, remember the comic where she complained to her mom that her being a lesbian wasn't a phase!
>It's not a phase mom
Proceeds to make a comic where she says she is only attracted to her husband.
Even if this was interesting, she tells it uninterestingly.
Is this a joke question?
yeah, if she was dressed as wonder woman or batgirl and he was a mugger would be awesome, right?
Only if she was sexy and the art and writing were better. Otherwise, same shit.
guess you just don't like alternative comix. oh well, whatevers.
I love alt comix. I just don't like Bechdel.
yeah, she can be kinda hard to take if you arent of their "community". you should have seen how lesbians made savage fun of gay men's porn vids in Dykes to watch out for. I liked the DtWoF but the rest of her stuff isnt that great. she tries too hard to be intellectual using greek mythology for example and she cant do it.
>If she was hot it'd be awesome
Yea, probably.
Why do these artists take so fricking long to get their point across? Even in comics they have wall of text monologues clogging up the page
cuz it's NOT capeshit shit, the pacing is different.
t.zoomer
Why didn't she go for the balls first?
If she didn't pull her punch would she have actually knocked the wind out of him? Or is "I pulled my punch that's why it didn't work" just cope?
It's half a cope. She had a puncher's chance of her frame and power being just enough to really impact him in that spot if she did follow through, but even then the only way she could've come out of that moment in the better condition is if she immediately booked it as a matter of life and death, because she wasn't going to keep him down for long regardless, and he probably wasn't going to stop with the one punch either.
We'll never know. She's probably a few weight classes down. I seriously doubt she's got one punch knockdown power against a much larger guy who's used to violence.
>impressed by how well she's doing despite dad killing himself
>even when drunk and rowdy, instinctively pulls her punches in a fight
>money waving
>internal monologue while getting a single punch to the eye
OP exaggerates as usual but damn if there isn't a lot of weird shit to unpack here. Par for the course with this one.
This is why people carry firearms.
>I can deliver lethal force without having to spend six months to find out my associates' degree in kicking people is worthless
>she pulled her punch
So she didnt have the fighting instincts of a man.
This is the real issue with gender equality. The mental differences are worse than the physical differences. Women are simply not wired to have the same values as men, and therefore no drive to make the hard choices that keep society running.
Wouldn't a hypotethical female-lead society just have different hard choices to keep it running? Like the difference between standard chimps (male-lead) and bonobos (female-lead). Lots and lots of sex instead of lots of war.
Bonobos respond to violence that can't be prevented with sex with instant retaliatory violence to put it down, it's a myth that they're pacifists. If you mapped it onto human society, one person being aggressive (again, that banging didn't help) would instantly be met with everyone around them kicking the shit out of them, even to the point of mutilation. That's why they're uhh "peaceful."
Yes, again, they also have sex all of the time. This is just if sex to calm down and settle a conflict doesn't work, mind. I'm just saying that if the aggressor doesn't back down after hugs and sex the result is mass mob violence, not the bonobos cowering or running away. Some have some pretty severe injuries from being aggressive due to this.
>instant retaliatory violence to put it down, it's a myth that they're pacifists
>the result is mass mob violence, not the bonobos cowering or running away. Some have some pretty severe injuries from being aggressive due to this
Speaking of mapping things to human society, I remember the violence part of the response you described as being a core factor of "an armed society is a polite society". The idea being that anyone that's too psychotic or hot headed to be reasoned with would be quickly eliminated.
What a horrible white supremacist what if some cop was walking nearby and ended up murdering that poor sweet boy
yah i used to get beat up in elementary school so my mom made me do karate then I continued getting beat up lol idk if there's much you can do about just being weak
>I continued getting beat up
Was it how to do techniques karate or did it include self-defense? Cause any self defense oriented course should have taught you disengagement and shit. Also if it was multiple people, you're just gonna eat shit. That shit's a pain period unless they're idiots and you're lucky/you know what you're doing/you wildly outclass them physically.
>idk if there's much you can do about just being weak
I recommend fighting dirty, speaking from personal experience. Ye olde blindside them with a stool as they're exiting the bathroom gag.
the frick
I mean yeah, the AIDs crisis was caused by how gay dudes would just not stop going to orgies and having random anonymous sex.
What about women with HIV/AIDS
Why didn't it spread to the men they frick?
Anon it did, especially in non white communities like Africa and Russia.
It does, but even in the early days of AIDS researchers noted that anal sex is far more likely to spread AIDS because of the higher chance of contamination from blood and feces through rectal bleeding etc
Physical limitations of the aids virus. At LEAST a delta of 400 percent between ftm and mtf. Probably closer to 4000 percent. FTF transmission is practically unknown.
Have you seen her works? Theyr'e driven by mild misery.
Man, thats like next level sexism.
Lesbians hating on gays.
We can go even DEEPER. Transwomen hating on women. And EVEN FURTHER BEYOND. Transmen hating on women.
You jest, but historically there was a lot of tension and animosity between gay and lesbian groups, who for the most part didn't work together until the AIDS Crisis.
>explicitly draws a Black person but won't color it in
>doesn't color any of the humans
moron
>Black person
>human
You are obnoxious.
Embrace Pathetism
>not committing to the punch
>being the one who turned it physical
There are so many things done wrong by this idiot.
I mean, she's right: a skinny lesbian from upper New England raised by a distant artsy mother and closed artsy dad is going to lose to a fricking New York real homie gangbanger no matter HOW much mall-jitsu she learned as an adult.
that's the thing, even your experiences don't matter, Brock Lesner, Daniel Cormier and Chuck Liddell both grew up in small towns and were middle class, probably never saw gangster shit but any of those could kill regular men, cause they were born big and knew how to fight.
You literally just listed the names of three brick shithouses who've been fighting and wrestling since high school. Bechdel, again, only took mall-jitsu as an adult and only for a couple of years.
Anon Lesnar looked like an adult when he was a teenager. He is also a prodigy at sports and a well trained wrestler, as in real wrestling.
Every self defense class should start with "Lesson 1: RUN THE FRICK AWAY".
Do not get in a fight. The other guy could have a knife, and then you're dead. The winner of a knife fight gets to die in the ambulance instead of on the ground.
>should
Im pretty sure they already do. Ive been to several as a child and they hammered that lesson in in the first class. They always say "dont get into a fight, and if you do, run away"
This comic looks boring but also jiu jitsu has no strikes and literally every martial arts class says to run in every scenario
Either this comic or the class she went to is fake and gay
>but also jiu jitsu has no strikes
Jiu Jitsu (as in actual Jui Jitsu) was the codified combat techniques learned by samurai. It was a full system covering grappling, strikes, and various weapons. The modern sport of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a derivative that focuses on grappling to the exclusion of strikes and weapons.
Ancient Jiu Jitsu split into a hundred different disciplines a very very long time ago
If someone is teaching "Jiu Jitsu" without the word "Brazilian" in front of it they're teaching horseshit.
A solar plexus strike as illustrated, for example, is Karate.
>Karate is the only martial art that that uses solar plexus strikes
>something splitting into a hundred different disciplines means that it no longer exists
It clearly wasn't a very good school, but it could have been "Jiu Jitsu" in some legitimate sense.
Karate is the martial art that does that specific solar plexus strike with the other arm "pulleying"
It couldn't have been actual Jiu Jitsu because Jiu Jitsu isn't a thing anymore in the same way Bushido isn't a thing anymore. It was very VERY clearly a McDojo.
>Karate is the martial art that does that specific solar plexus strike with the other arm "pulleying"
Want pics of people demonstrating the same punch in other martial arts systems? It's not hard to find.
>It was very VERY clearly a McDojo.
Right, but it could have been teaching one of those split disciplines you mentioned or something derived from them.
Anon I don't know why you think horse stance solar plexus strikes aren't karate but the point is that this b***h was ripped off.
>I don't know why you think horse stance solar plexus strikes aren't karate
Karate doesn't have an enforceable trademark on those particular physical actions, and other systems can and do include them.
>but the point is that this b***h was ripped off.
That's not what led to this tangent, which was the claim here
that " jiu jitsu has no strikes" which is incorrect.
>Dyke beat up by a Black person
Hopefully the police show up and shoot both of them (and then themselves)
Lmao
Notice how in her fantasy she's fighting off a white guy but in reality it's a fricking Black person, of course
The point of most women's defense is that you're protecting yourself for sneaky, cowardly white dudes after an easy rape. It's a assumed that you need more than "THAT'S MY PURSE; I DON'T KNOW YOU" for actual threats.
The point of all defense is to escape the engagement
If you're trading blows you already fricked up supermassively
butch lesbians trying to act like actual men despite the fact they’d never last 5 seconds as one never ceases to make me laugh
Best fighting style is
1. Carry brass knuckles (if it's legal where you are, tee hee)
2. Make sure there are no cameras or witnesses present.
3. Make sure your opponent isn't expecting it and strike them in the back of the head until he's down
4. Run.
All other martial arts are bullshit.
5. Film it and post it on /r/publicfreakout
Anon, just by the way you type I just know I can beat the shit out of you or choke you out easily. Literally just rag doll you on the sidewalk and rain heavy elbows to your temple.
>t. 5'8" and 145 lbs
Anon. You've described a mugging, just without the robbery part.
AHAHAHAHAHA GET FRICKED RADFEM c**t
>Cinemaphile best fighting technique is a suckerpunch
You guys are pathetic
Don't be racist.
This board is majority shitskin so it makes sense
Eh, physical fitness...whatever. Y'know. Whatever. You do what you like to do I do what I like to do. But you're a sucker. You're getting fed this line about how, like, you're gonna live forever or whatever. Someone will kill you. Someone will kill you with a knife. Make sure your abs are friggin ripped. You got some good guns. You wanna look good for when you get stabbed with a knife. Sorry, that's how it works.
>still manages to make the Black person the victim
I bet she thought "now I kinda understand police brutality" after that.
She should have read Baki and Tough
>Imagine if she actually read Baki
She would be seething to death
early Baki is actually not to far from a typical marital arts shonen, its just after the Maximum Tournament arc do things get insane, the author uses to spout whatever opinions he thinks about, forgets about story structure and does whatever
its unhinged and beautiful
I miss when Yujiro felt like a genuine threatening villain and not an exaggerated cartoon character. Hell, he even had his limitations while still being broken as frick as the fight with Doppo proved.
I want to fricking go back.
WHO THE ACTUAL FRICK IS THIS?
NOBODY GIVES A FRICK ABOUT THIS CRAP
STOP MAKING BAIT THREADS TO JUST TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU HATE WOMEN
JUST GO TO /misc/ OR LULZ
Black person caalm the frick down
>all these people talking about spontaneity and sucker punches
Situational awareness, people, it's one of the best things you can learn when it comes to self defense; be aware of the problem *before* SHTF.
I really would recommed all of you watch the first UFC tournaments, it's a different kind of beast compared to modern UFC: no weight class divisions and fighters had to fight until the end of the night to become champions. It's the closest feeling to a street fight you'll ever see.
She is a woman, why not pepper spray the guy and call the cops while he is in pain?
>pepper spray the guy
>after being the one to turn things physical
>after reinstigating the incident after he's shown already walking away
Bruh, that'd be assault, hell, the half assed punch she did instead was already assault.
She's a girl. She'd get away with it.
Hmmm. Scott Mcloud on 3 months of HRT would absolutely look like her.
I would let those karate girls beat me up and step on me
So, did she sell out womankind for the feelings of Troons or is she TeamTERF
kek what a prick
> Happy New Years /n/!
Based black man putting delusional white b***hes in their place
They do what white men cant. Gotta give them props for that.
Even Bechdel doesn't pass the Bechdel test.
The tv tropes page on that shows bad machinery, a feminist webcomic, and the person went on to do giant days, another feminist comic
What kind of grown adult gets into a fricking fight?
A (wo)Manchild
Knuckledraggers and people that live near knuckledraggers.
I have but only with my brothers. We normally get along great but every once in a while it gets ugly.
Those with unresolved issues.
/co/, the real question is why was the guy holding a fistful of dollars?
That's LULZ' department. Or if you prefer, go watch world star.
Where's the next page where she gets raped.
looks like she should've learned to shoot instead
is it really possible to lose a fight/getting your ass beat and feel like you win at the same time
You learn more from losing than you do from winning. This is something people desperately need to grasp.
so pick fights with random people you bump into?
slav genetics
Black belts don’t turn white. White belts turn black.