Can't tell if bait. If not, time dilation is 100% absolutely real. On a diminutive scale, it's even present on Earth; technically speaking you'll age like 0.1% slower if you live in the equator and at high altitude like in South America highlands.
>bro this airplane's clock was like 0.00001 seconds off this other clock >therefore time is mutable
the science is settled! take your fauci ouchie and do not question anything!
Time is not mutable, it's relative. And it was know over a hundred years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation >and do not question anything
On the contrary, do question everything. But you're clearly lacking the fundamentals to question something that is intrinsically hard to understand, and your choice isn't to learn more so you can scrutinize the science behind it, but to outright shun it in the most childish fashion possible.
It's a phenomenon that you can experience on earth, if you're at different elevations time moves at different speeds
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(You) can literally go outside, right now, get some tools, and prove time dilation is real by yourself. There is literally -nothing- stopping you from doing this. Of course, you're not going to do it, because you're the kind of moron that thinks he isn't dumb because you believe that remaining steadfast in a stance of denial is somehow a proof on intellect.
right, the ISS "experiences" 0.01 seconds of time dilation over *12 months* in orbit but I'm going to believe that standing on mount everest makes my apple watch tick slower lol
you guys are morons that will lap up anything lol
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you just agreed with me then disagreed with me
are you okay
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I'm not even talking to you, fricking schizo
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>makes my digital watch tick slower
Either this was bait all along, or you have the intelligence level of a 5 year old monkey. Either way, it's pointless to keep talking to you. It's like trying to explain to someone why the sky is blue when you don't even believe the sky is real.
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>why the sky is blue
water droplets in the air
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>why the sky is blue >water droplets in the air
get a load of this moron
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the earth is 70% water and water is blue moron lol
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>Water is blue
Ladies and gentlemen, American education system
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water IS blue moron lol
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i’m ukraine
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blue light scatters much more easily through air molecules due to Rayleigh scattering
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>is afraid of gravity gradients, no matter how slight
NGMI
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This is the type of moron thats puts an open jar of peanut butter outside for an hour and suprised fish didnt elvove
(You) can literally go outside, right now, get some tools, and prove time dilation is real by yourself. There is literally -nothing- stopping you from doing this. Of course, you're not going to do it, because you're the kind of moron that thinks he isn't dumb because you believe that remaining steadfast in a stance of denial is somehow a proof on intellect.
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The chance of people who say this actually having tested it themselves is less than 0%
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I have tested it because I lived in Ecuador for 3 years from 2011 to 2014 doing geological surveys for their government and training some scrubs in a geophysics institute, mostly volcanology.
Now what, homosexual?
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>he expects me to believe ecuador government shills
>bro we haven't made perfect clocks yet so obviously that means time zoom zooms when you go zoom zoom!!!!!!
you believe "scientists" who fudge their numbers with DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY oh and the new one DARK GRAVITY that they just added to fudge their numbers even more
LMFAO YOU'RE SO FRICKING STUPID
Dark matter is a completely different issue. I agree that "dark matter" is a pathetic excuse by astronomers to explain why the large scale universe doesn't agree with their local view of physics, but at the local view of our planet and solar system, it's pretty clear that special relativity is a good model for how the world works, even if it's clearly not a complete understanding of the universe.
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Why is it such a deal-breaker to you that there could be matter that doesn't interact with light? It would be far from the strangest thing in physics with all the quantum weirdness.
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It's certainly a possibility, but I also dislike the basedance mentality of extrapolating these fragile models that we have and making grandiose conclusions about deep space from them. I think it's a great idea, and considering how rock solid these models are, it wouldn't surprise me if it's correct. Let's hope the data from these insane underground dark matter detectors is useful. I just think that people should be more skeptical about the "certainties" that we take for granted in physics, and be more willing to play with these models on a theoretical basis.
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Fricking filters god damn it. basedance = midwit popsci
>you'll age 0.1% slower if you live in the equator
it's nowhere even close to this number.
It equates to something like 1 millisecond per year which is something on the order of 0.000000000003%.
In other words you don't age slower if you live near the equator, you barely even do so if you are orbiting the earth at high velocities.
That's untrue. if you were near a black hole, and then magically reunite with someone from Earth, you'd be much, much younger than them. If what you meant was that the semantics of what anon said (i.e. you yourself are not aging slower, it's just the passage of time is different) were wrong, then don't mind my post.
How long are you going to keep seething at getting BTFO?
I like it, but is full of terrible expository dialogue. For example
The Black person scientist, explains to Cooper how wormholes works with the classic paper and pen example, but Cooper is a fricking NASA pilot with an engineering background, so the whole scene dont make sense at all. If Coop explained to his daughter the same situation it could be more easy to believe.
The Event Horizon reference took me out of the movie for a bit.
Time travel is one of the powers I wish I had more than anything. There are so many moments I wish to relive, so many things I wish I could undo. The past feels like this separate place that retreats further the more you try to reach out to it.
It was a decent space adventure flick until the bookshelf dimension time travel gravity bullshit that was way out of place and ruined what was a fairly believable level of sci-fi
>future humans who died off without a wormhole from a mystery plague somehow opened a wormhole to save past humans because uhhh time is a flat circle that transcends love dimensions >fairly believable
That analogy is moronic and nolan deliberately doesnt describe it so that it remains possible but not distracting
Why is every critic of this movie a midwit, literally every one
>midwit
Go back to gayddit.
>dust storms are too much. cant build greenhouses, floating raft farms, hydroponics, terraced fields, etc. >But we can make whatchamacallet cylinders for space farming (which are basically giant greenhouses)
>we can make whatchamacallet cylinders for space farming
Yes, because Murph figured out anti-gravity technology, which makes weight a non-issue when it comes to building anything, ever again. That technology does jack shit against a planetary weather phenomenon.
Wait i'm talking about interstellar. Is OPs pic from interstellar? I can't tell, all these space movies look identical.
The idea is that all the alternatives to Earth are much worse than Earth. Every single potential planet expeditions were taken to were basically a slim chance in hell. Even the planet Anne Hathaway lands on is trash, and that was the only viable one among 12.
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>The idea
where did you get this idea? sounds christian to me
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It was in one of the BTS from the Bluray, iirc, but maybe I'm wrong and it was from a 3rd party interview or feature. It's been a long time since I saw them.
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ok but how does the movie convey that idea to us
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Pretty clearly by the characters' reaction to landing, exploring, and leaving these planets, and/or reading the reports of previous expeditions. Did you not watch the movie?
That's true, but you forget the space station Cooper arrives to is at least 50 years later after it leaves Earth. It would be a stretch to assume it looks the same 50 years later and no additions were made.
>Yes, because Murph figured out anti-gravity technology, which makes weight a non-issue when it comes to building anything, ever again.
do you hear what you're saying though, in terms of structural engineering? Why not just build greenhouses with the same tech? Unless it's just magic space tech like there are magic time loops? A Sci-fi story can either have internal consistency, or it can pack fudge in the gaps like you are, no insult intended.
>humans all die without the wormhole >but also somehow future humans open the wormhole even though they'd all die without it
it's a time travel paradox and like terminator before it, is stupid as frick and gay and moronic and if you disagree you're a troony homosexual moron simple as
Nolan is just shit with dialogue period. He just can't fricking write and needs others to write for him. The only writing he can do is big WOOAAAHHHH moments like Tenet which is just a total memefest of a "movie" (and fricking terrible sound mixing).
Can't wait for Oppenheimer and the terrible dialogue that will ensue.
The movie is worse because of her character. Her role was instrumental in some of the plot, but her dialogue is forced, as if they had to make something up to give her more screen time because she's a big name. It isn't because she's a woman. It's because she's an actress who thought she deserved a bigger presence in the movie than was necessary.
>An example, if you will: you are now breathing manually.
why does this get said here like a bad thing?
it is healthy to take multiple opportunities each day to manually regulate your breathing, and specifically to train yourself to automatically take longer, deeper breaths
>movie outright states the “black hole” was made by future humans for him to use >nooooo it was the power of love
Anne Hathaway’s quote was mocked in that scene.
But the first half hour or so has the usual Nolan exposition for the average Joe and I think that stuff with the drone was like leftovers from an early draft?
The worst part is that it didn't even need that plot point. You could have had Smurf reach the formula on her own and him surviving the black hole by accidentally warping in and out of a 5th dimension.
There is no indication that what brand says is correct. In fact, they give her shit for it. They reply that there is value in the social bond and that we call the love. And then that's proven, because the bond allows murph to seek out her bond irrationally and discover the watch.
However I always wondered: if the gravity was used to communicate with the watch, why was he able to manipulate the watch outside of the bookcase/house.
I once again ask - what happened with that plague that was supposed to destroy all plants foods on the planet. They make it as the reason for whole of this shit and then forget about it after movie starts. If the plague is real, then how the frick they can save humanity even if they have that Gravity equation? Can gravity equation feed your stomacks? No matter how many people you get into space, you need to feed them but they never adress this.
It was a combination of plant blight and dust storms. >and then forget about it after movie starts.
No, they don't. >Can gravity equation feed your stomacks?
Leaving hydroponics aside, the issue was they couldn't plant anywhere else because of the dust storms, which would kill nascent crops. Without them, there wouldn't be much need to leave. The blights could be manageable provided they had enough time, which they would without the storms.
Dude, what dust storms - the whole planet has different climate zones and goegraphical zones and in some places dust storms just aren't possible due to excessive water precipitation. Like what the frick is the dust storm for Indonesia for example where would the Dust come from?
If hydroponics are possible then you really can create underground farms with UV-light and filters that prevent any plague from getting in, you don't need to go into space for that. Or you can make artificial walls to prevent dust from entering certain areas. There are 10000 and 1 solution and none of them require to go into space into the wormhole and to other fricking side of the galaxy to get info from the Black hole.
The problem is here on Earth, it can be solved on Earth. Whatver interstellar bullshit they shoehorn into is moronic and doesn't adress the problem that they first introduced.
Imagine if movie starts like this "There is an epidemic of COVID-19 on Earth. And to solve this issue, we need to travel to other side of the galaxy through the wormhole around black hole into the matrix of 5 dimmension"
>dust storms are too much. cant build greenhouses, floating raft farms, hydroponics, terraced fields, etc. >But we can make whatchamacallet cylinders for space farming (which are basically giant greenhouses)
It was a timing issue. The death of vegetation was lowering oxygen in the planet. They didn't have the time to terraform the planet back to a survivable level.
Why do people come to this threads without at least the movie at hand's reach so they can answer all these questions?
The problem wasn't the blight, because we have blight even now. It was the atmosphere changing its composition to have more nitrogen in it. More nitrogen= more blight= no more food. On smaller space stations it would be easier to control the atmospheric composition and keep it stable, than on the whole planet.
nitrogen is not a toxic gas
if blight is the problem, then blight is the problem
people would fight the blight and try to change the atmosphere composition using different means of industry, not travel into space like morons
The problem wasn't the blight, because we have blight even now. It was the atmosphere changing its composition to have more nitrogen in it. More nitrogen= more blight= no more food. On smaller space stations it would be easier to control the atmospheric composition and keep it stable, than on the whole planet.
Dude, what dust storms - the whole planet has different climate zones and goegraphical zones and in some places dust storms just aren't possible due to excessive water precipitation. Like what the frick is the dust storm for Indonesia for example where would the Dust come from?
If hydroponics are possible then you really can create underground farms with UV-light and filters that prevent any plague from getting in, you don't need to go into space for that. Or you can make artificial walls to prevent dust from entering certain areas. There are 10000 and 1 solution and none of them require to go into space into the wormhole and to other fricking side of the galaxy to get info from the Black hole.
The problem is here on Earth, it can be solved on Earth. Whatver interstellar bullshit they shoehorn into is moronic and doesn't adress the problem that they first introduced.
Imagine if movie starts like this "There is an epidemic of COVID-19 on Earth. And to solve this issue, we need to travel to other side of the galaxy through the wormhole around black hole into the matrix of 5 dimmension"
nitrogen is not a toxic gas
if blight is the problem, then blight is the problem
people would fight the blight and try to change the atmosphere composition using different means of industry, not travel into space like morons
it wasn't blight, it was The Blight, an unexplained super plant killer
People dont get it and get stuck on "muh love" and "muh bookshelf" because nolan tried to be smart for the smart people and dumb for the dumb people at the same time. The people who sperg about nolan's sentimental inserts are the same people who unironically say shit like "bro what if aliens were real.. could you imagine" and think they're being deep
But aliens, i.e. extraterrestrials, are real, so your point is moot. >could you imagine
Seems to me people refuse to engage in that exercise, probably out of spiritual limitations. We already have a mountain of proof, the CIA Vault releases, the military releases, the Ganymede station death man's switch, etc.
Nolan wanted to be sappy because he's a little b***h, period.
The interview/interrogation scene where they first introduce the scenes had my mind fricked for a second. I didn't realize he was talking to the black wall in front of him and didn't even really register the "wall" at all. I thought he was just in a room with an intercom and somebody was speaking to him through it for a good minute before they finally started framing it and recognizing it as an agent of the movie.
-Great first hour or so. Great concept, reasonably science based, good effects etc.
-By the time Matt Damon shows up it falls apart coz he looks right at the camera and starts explaining his characters motivation. I think at this point i burst out laughing
-By the end it's basically a makoto shinkai anime where the characters save the world with the power of love and friendship.
pretty much agree. Solid sci-fi at first, if a bit preachy, develops nicely, then just goes waaaay of the rails and turns into yet another horror-in-alternate-dimension-because-space trashpiece, which is a real achievement because it isn't even horror.
Kino that filtered brainlets >Muh love is the answer
Yes. Unironically yes. We're human and in the overwhelming complexity of the universe, love is the thing that persistently motivates us.
I like it, but is full of terrible expository dialogue. For example
The Black person scientist, explains to Cooper how wormholes works with the classic paper and pen example, but Cooper is a fricking NASA pilot with an engineering background, so the whole scene dont make sense at all. If Coop explained to his daughter the same situation it could be more easy to believe.
Yes, but a NASA guy explaying to another NASA guy who is the pilot of a mission which will travel through a wormhole how it works just minutes before? I mean, Cooper dont have a mission brief? he never studied Einstein/Rosen if he was a NASA engenieer?
The wormhole thing is definitely cliche at this point but the purpose of that scene wasn't just to explain what a wormhole is. It was to explain to Cooper why it appears spherical rather than like a circular hole. It introduces the concept of the comprehensional disconnect between humans and our three perceivable dimensions and dimensions of higher magnitude. It's pretty solid ground work for the tesseract in the climax.
I understand the point, my problem is not the explanation itself, my issue is why a NASA guy explained it to an another NASA guy in the most basic way. That why it could worked better if cooper would explained his travel to his daughter, because the whole explanation works better in a non profesional scenario.
>I understand the point, my problem is not the explanation itself, my issue is why a NASA guy explained it to an another NASA guy
Yeah fair enough. I guess I thought the way it was framed was decent enough for me to ignore that it was expository.
>he never studied Einstein/Rosen if he was a NASA engenieer?
Can you explain why he would need to? It may be something he glossed over and forgot because it's useless in the real world. Consider that you're also asking why someone like Neil Armstrong wouldn't know about how wormholes worked while someone like Stephen Hawking would.
You dont need to be Stephen Hawking to do the Pen and paper explanation. Indeed if you are the pilot of a mission which will go trough a wormhole, you expect the pilot would AT LEAST learn previously how a wormhole works, not to be explained minutes earlier.
And yes, Neil Armstrong studied Einstein / Rosen theories, maybe not in deep but enough to be close to the concept.
It's not explained minutes earlier, the film compresses time for the narrative's sake, Romily is still in his pajamas in that scene. Cooper's piloting also has no bearing on traversing the wormhole, he merely has to get to it. >maybe not in deep but enough to be close to the concept
How do you know?
The wormhole thing is definitely cliche at this point but the purpose of that scene wasn't just to explain what a wormhole is. It was to explain to Cooper why it appears spherical rather than like a circular hole. It introduces the concept of the comprehensional disconnect between humans and our three perceivable dimensions and dimensions of higher magnitude. It's pretty solid ground work for the tesseract in the climax.
yeah, i think most of the people that hate this movie are either science worshippers or some variation of christcuck, that are close-minded to anything outside of their narrow perspective of how the universe works
yeah, i think most of the people that hate this movie are either science worshippers or some variation of christcuck, that are close-minded to anything outside of their narrow perspective of how the universe works
Disagree strongly. I think it's for top-end brainlets right in that trough, who probably took a high-school year in physics at best, and either way have no idea why internal consistency is important to sci-fi stories. Ppl who aren't very good at anything and shitpost on Cinemaphile to prove themselves.
>and either way have no idea why internal consistency is important to sci-fi stories
confirmed science worshipper that thinks he knows how a black hole works
Neither. Middle of the road. Good visuals and score. Alright acting (Matthew is the best of the bunch). Sub-par dialog and a ridiculous premise that doesn't make sense but because Hathaway is crying about it, people suddenly believe her (and it was done FAR better in the "Fall of Hyperion" books).
As a movie, especially in IMAX, it is in the top tier solely from visuals, audio, and pure spectacle. I've gone to see it again every few years when it comes to my local theatre in 70mm IMAX and never been disappointed.
The main problem with the plot is that the "twist" on the water planet (the previous explorer had only been there for a few days) should have been realized by the crew on their journey there. It's kind of egregious they didn't think of it. Aside from that, the science in general was consistent with widely accepted theories.
They should have made it into a horror movie.
The 5th dimensional beings were actually xenomorphs looking to stock one of their farm planets and were responsible for the Earth dying.
Then Matt Damon becomes the lone hero with the courage to save the human race.
Mathew McConaughey was working for the Aliens the whole time.
Murph is faced with the truth after Damon signals her through the watch.
Absolute trash, one of the most boring, predictable and overrated films I've ever seen. All the legion of "sci-fi fans" it spawned must be put to the cross. One of the most dissappointing movies I've ever seen.
I've forgot to talk about all the people that when you say you didn't like it they inmediatly go 'oh, that's because you didn't understand it". I FRICKING UNDERSTANDED IT, EVEN A FRICKING 12 YEAR OLD COULD UNDERSTAND IT, THEY LITERALLY EXPLAIN ALL OF THE SCIENCE THREE TIMES EACH TO NOT LEAVE A SINGLE moron BEHIND. It's a fricking shit movie, holy frick I hate it so much.
As soon as the scene of the bookshelf happened with the little girl, I instantly Sayed "oh, that's definitely her dad from the future or some bullshit like that". I kid you not, I'm fricking terrible predicting movies, but that was so fricking clear. Also the fricking Dr Mann, who you knew as soon as he appeared that he was either crazy, evil or both.
>sayed
ESL-kun, you need to relax, you're post is particularly unhinged. With that said, I find suspicious that you could guess something so preposterously far-fetched that nobody thought would happen because everyone thought at the start they were watching a serious film, but I choose to believe you for know.
I remember the day I saw this, went out with my housemate and best bud while we were still at Uni. Kino, on the way back grabbed some subway and I remember eating it at home. I laid on the carpet ming baffled by the film. I was the GM of a wow guild and the expansion was also out in 3-4 hours, after the sub and some discussing popped on discord or teamspeak with the guildies and we had a blast till the morning. Probably one of the best days ive had
It was dogshit that people pretended was good because they're stupid and surface-level.
>blight plot
Never resolved. >exodus from Earth
Never shown. >future humans who live in a blackhole create wormhole to get past humans off Earth to fly into the black hole and discover them so they can know how gravity works
This is a paradox that destroys the entire movie, and Nolan didn't care.
He could have made a very simple plot of >Oh no, there's too many humans on Earth and we're destroying the ecology. We have to find a new world to live on and Mars, etc., won't cut it because they're not compatible with human physiology >It's up to you, Mr. Astronaut Man and your crew of plucky scientists, to save humanity! >Here, use this new FTL drive we just invented
>hurrdurr time is faster because things are heavier
the ocean planet was super stupid
I'm talking about the entire movie you fricking troglodyte.
It's absolute kino, only brainlets disagree
speaking of brainlets
Can't tell if bait. If not, time dilation is 100% absolutely real. On a diminutive scale, it's even present on Earth; technically speaking you'll age like 0.1% slower if you live in the equator and at high altitude like in South America highlands.
>bro this airplane's clock was like 0.00001 seconds off this other clock
>therefore time is mutable
the science is settled! take your fauci ouchie and do not question anything!
I don't know if you're trolling or not. Study physics Black person.
Time is not mutable, it's relative. And it was know over a hundred years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>and do not question anything
On the contrary, do question everything. But you're clearly lacking the fundamentals to question something that is intrinsically hard to understand, and your choice isn't to learn more so you can scrutinize the science behind it, but to outright shun it in the most childish fashion possible.
>dark matter
>dark energy
>dark gravity
>dark time
but I'm supposed to believe that time dilation as specified by special relativity is real top kek
It's a phenomenon that you can experience on earth, if you're at different elevations time moves at different speeds
right, the ISS "experiences" 0.01 seconds of time dilation over *12 months* in orbit but I'm going to believe that standing on mount everest makes my apple watch tick slower lol
you guys are morons that will lap up anything lol
you just agreed with me then disagreed with me
are you okay
I'm not even talking to you, fricking schizo
>makes my digital watch tick slower
Either this was bait all along, or you have the intelligence level of a 5 year old monkey. Either way, it's pointless to keep talking to you. It's like trying to explain to someone why the sky is blue when you don't even believe the sky is real.
>why the sky is blue
water droplets in the air
>why the sky is blue
>water droplets in the air
get a load of this moron
the earth is 70% water and water is blue moron lol
>Water is blue
Ladies and gentlemen, American education system
water IS blue moron lol
i’m ukraine
blue light scatters much more easily through air molecules due to Rayleigh scattering
>is afraid of gravity gradients, no matter how slight
NGMI
This is the type of moron thats puts an open jar of peanut butter outside for an hour and suprised fish didnt elvove
(You) can literally go outside, right now, get some tools, and prove time dilation is real by yourself. There is literally -nothing- stopping you from doing this. Of course, you're not going to do it, because you're the kind of moron that thinks he isn't dumb because you believe that remaining steadfast in a stance of denial is somehow a proof on intellect.
The chance of people who say this actually having tested it themselves is less than 0%
I have tested it because I lived in Ecuador for 3 years from 2011 to 2014 doing geological surveys for their government and training some scrubs in a geophysics institute, mostly volcanology.
Now what, homosexual?
>he expects me to believe ecuador government shills
>reading comprehension: zero
>theres not enough mass that exists that makes our math work
i 100% dont believe in dark matter
Trust the scienceTM bigot
>"dark matter has to exist because we can't observe enough mass"
that means WE don't have the tools to measure mass, are scientists fricking idiots?
Except that the same thing happens EVERY TIME you do any experiment like this, and it's consistent with what special relativity predicts EVERY TIME.
>bro we haven't made perfect clocks yet so obviously that means time zoom zooms when you go zoom zoom!!!!!!
you believe "scientists" who fudge their numbers with DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY oh and the new one DARK GRAVITY that they just added to fudge their numbers even more
LMFAO YOU'RE SO FRICKING STUPID
Dark matter is a completely different issue. I agree that "dark matter" is a pathetic excuse by astronomers to explain why the large scale universe doesn't agree with their local view of physics, but at the local view of our planet and solar system, it's pretty clear that special relativity is a good model for how the world works, even if it's clearly not a complete understanding of the universe.
Why is it such a deal-breaker to you that there could be matter that doesn't interact with light? It would be far from the strangest thing in physics with all the quantum weirdness.
It's certainly a possibility, but I also dislike the basedance mentality of extrapolating these fragile models that we have and making grandiose conclusions about deep space from them. I think it's a great idea, and considering how rock solid these models are, it wouldn't surprise me if it's correct. Let's hope the data from these insane underground dark matter detectors is useful. I just think that people should be more skeptical about the "certainties" that we take for granted in physics, and be more willing to play with these models on a theoretical basis.
Fricking filters god damn it. basedance = midwit popsci
>you'll age 0.1% slower if you live in the equator
it's nowhere even close to this number.
It equates to something like 1 millisecond per year which is something on the order of 0.000000000003%.
In other words you don't age slower if you live near the equator, you barely even do so if you are orbiting the earth at high velocities.
You age the same, its just recorded differently
That's untrue. if you were near a black hole, and then magically reunite with someone from Earth, you'd be much, much younger than them. If what you meant was that the semantics of what anon said (i.e. you yourself are not aging slower, it's just the passage of time is different) were wrong, then don't mind my post.
>tfw when live in a second floor apartment
feels good, ephemerites
redditposting should be bannable
go back
How long are you going to keep seething at getting BTFO?
The Event Horizon reference took me out of the movie for a bit.
shut the frick up, you don't know shit
satellites in high orbit have to make adjustments to keep their time synced with earth surface
You can thank Hendrik Lorentz
Time travel is one of the powers I wish I had more than anything. There are so many moments I wish to relive, so many things I wish I could undo. The past feels like this separate place that retreats further the more you try to reach out to it.
Yes, we're walking backwards into the future. All we can see is the past.
Funny, Ocean planet is based in one of the first discovered batch of super earths. In fact this is the only reason of why is on the film.
Holy shit you're a moron.
This movie would've been reviewed far worse if it hadn't been for Zimmer's score.
worst part
Facts.
It was a decent space adventure flick until the bookshelf dimension time travel gravity bullshit that was way out of place and ruined what was a fairly believable level of sci-fi
>future humans who died off without a wormhole from a mystery plague somehow opened a wormhole to save past humans because uhhh time is a flat circle that transcends love dimensions
>fairly believable
Well that's part of the b.s. I don't like
I thought they were some unknown 5th dimensional beings who decided to save humanity
They were.
>midwit
Go back to gayddit.
>we can make whatchamacallet cylinders for space farming
Yes, because Murph figured out anti-gravity technology, which makes weight a non-issue when it comes to building anything, ever again. That technology does jack shit against a planetary weather phenomenon.
Yes.
That's the point.
>That's the point.
how come?
The idea is that all the alternatives to Earth are much worse than Earth. Every single potential planet expeditions were taken to were basically a slim chance in hell. Even the planet Anne Hathaway lands on is trash, and that was the only viable one among 12.
>The idea
where did you get this idea? sounds christian to me
It was in one of the BTS from the Bluray, iirc, but maybe I'm wrong and it was from a 3rd party interview or feature. It's been a long time since I saw them.
ok but how does the movie convey that idea to us
Pretty clearly by the characters' reaction to landing, exploring, and leaving these planets, and/or reading the reports of previous expeditions. Did you not watch the movie?
that's not really what I'm asking
Ask again once you have sobered up then.
>which makes weight a non-issue when it comes to building anything
That doesn't make material cost a non-issue.
That's true, but you forget the space station Cooper arrives to is at least 50 years later after it leaves Earth. It would be a stretch to assume it looks the same 50 years later and no additions were made.
>Yes, because Murph figured out anti-gravity technology, which makes weight a non-issue when it comes to building anything, ever again.
do you hear what you're saying though, in terms of structural engineering? Why not just build greenhouses with the same tech? Unless it's just magic space tech like there are magic time loops? A Sci-fi story can either have internal consistency, or it can pack fudge in the gaps like you are, no insult intended.
*into the gaps
Its implied that they painstakingly reached that level of tech longer than they otherwise would have
What is so crazy about that? You expect them to remain the same?
>humans all die without the wormhole
>but also somehow future humans open the wormhole even though they'd all die without it
it's a time travel paradox and like terminator before it, is stupid as frick and gay and moronic and if you disagree you're a troony homosexual moron simple as
Trash, but the docking scene was kino.
Why is Cinemaphile like this?
men good
women bad
i.e. the incel mind
What measurable evidence is there that love transcends dimensions of time and space? Love doesn't even exist in the current time and dimension
>Love doesn't even exist in the current time and dimension
That's why it's transcendent.
Nolan is just shit with dialogue period. He just can't fricking write and needs others to write for him. The only writing he can do is big WOOAAAHHHH moments like Tenet which is just a total memefest of a "movie" (and fricking terrible sound mixing).
Can't wait for Oppenheimer and the terrible dialogue that will ensue.
The movie is worse because of her character. Her role was instrumental in some of the plot, but her dialogue is forced, as if they had to make something up to give her more screen time because she's a big name. It isn't because she's a woman. It's because she's an actress who thought she deserved a bigger presence in the movie than was necessary.
The bottom one can induce cringe but has a strong baseline.
An example, if you will: you are now breathing manually.
>An example, if you will: you are now breathing manually.
why does this get said here like a bad thing?
it is healthy to take multiple opportunities each day to manually regulate your breathing, and specifically to train yourself to automatically take longer, deeper breaths
should more movies have surprise matt damon?
absolutely awful wanna be melodrama. Pathetic really.
trashno
Very good movie because it was the first time I actually appreciated Matthew McConnaughey as an actor, that alone makes it a masterpiece
>he didn't watch true detective season 1
I dont get how a black hole sends someone into a book shelf, i really didnt like that, totally stupid
That was quite moronic and ruined the almost believable sci-fi jargon.
In order to control gravity you need a lot of it is the conclusion I came to, so the future humans control gravity from black holes.
he time travelled into the 4th dimension
it was a construct created by future humans, just like the wormhole near saturn
It didnt, it was a creation by future humanity they put there so his tiny brain could perceive things correctly
>was it trash or kino?
A swirl of both.
It was kino, but in a way that made me want to watch it only once. I have only watched this movie once and won't watch it ever again.
it was decent.
It's one of the kinoest film of 2010s
Great until the stupid time travel shit.
>movie outright states the “black hole” was made by future humans for him to use
>nooooo it was the power of love
Anne Hathaway’s quote was mocked in that scene.
Kino.
But the first half hour or so has the usual Nolan exposition for the average Joe and I think that stuff with the drone was like leftovers from an early draft?
But once they launch into space it’s kino.
absolute kino
I love it, but it is unbelievably shit movie.
it tried, but I thought it was frustrating
The only Nolan film I really liked aside from memento. Seeing it in theaters probably helped
>Entire movie is framed and advertised around "the science"
>LOVE is the only thing that transcends time and space
what was he trying to say, aside from the fact he's a moron?
The worst part is that it didn't even need that plot point. You could have had Smurf reach the formula on her own and him surviving the black hole by accidentally warping in and out of a 5th dimension.
There is no indication that what brand says is correct. In fact, they give her shit for it. They reply that there is value in the social bond and that we call the love. And then that's proven, because the bond allows murph to seek out her bond irrationally and discover the watch.
However I always wondered: if the gravity was used to communicate with the watch, why was he able to manipulate the watch outside of the bookcase/house.
I found it shallow and pedantic.
Gayest robots ever invented
Mostly good, but the end just wasn't believable. I'd almost rather just accept that everyone is doomed.
I once again ask - what happened with that plague that was supposed to destroy all plants foods on the planet. They make it as the reason for whole of this shit and then forget about it after movie starts. If the plague is real, then how the frick they can save humanity even if they have that Gravity equation? Can gravity equation feed your stomacks? No matter how many people you get into space, you need to feed them but they never adress this.
It was a combination of plant blight and dust storms.
>and then forget about it after movie starts.
No, they don't.
>Can gravity equation feed your stomacks?
Leaving hydroponics aside, the issue was they couldn't plant anywhere else because of the dust storms, which would kill nascent crops. Without them, there wouldn't be much need to leave. The blights could be manageable provided they had enough time, which they would without the storms.
Dude, what dust storms - the whole planet has different climate zones and goegraphical zones and in some places dust storms just aren't possible due to excessive water precipitation. Like what the frick is the dust storm for Indonesia for example where would the Dust come from?
If hydroponics are possible then you really can create underground farms with UV-light and filters that prevent any plague from getting in, you don't need to go into space for that. Or you can make artificial walls to prevent dust from entering certain areas. There are 10000 and 1 solution and none of them require to go into space into the wormhole and to other fricking side of the galaxy to get info from the Black hole.
The problem is here on Earth, it can be solved on Earth. Whatver interstellar bullshit they shoehorn into is moronic and doesn't adress the problem that they first introduced.
Imagine if movie starts like this "There is an epidemic of COVID-19 on Earth. And to solve this issue, we need to travel to other side of the galaxy through the wormhole around black hole into the matrix of 5 dimmension"
Why are you avatargayging with pokémon? If you want people to know you're a homosexual, just proclaim so, and you will be believed.
That analogy is moronic and nolan deliberately doesnt describe it so that it remains possible but not distracting
Why is every critic of this movie a midwit, literally every one
>dust storms are too much. cant build greenhouses, floating raft farms, hydroponics, terraced fields, etc.
>But we can make whatchamacallet cylinders for space farming (which are basically giant greenhouses)
It was a timing issue. The death of vegetation was lowering oxygen in the planet. They didn't have the time to terraform the planet back to a survivable level.
Why do people come to this threads without at least the movie at hand's reach so they can answer all these questions?
The problem wasn't the blight, because we have blight even now. It was the atmosphere changing its composition to have more nitrogen in it. More nitrogen= more blight= no more food. On smaller space stations it would be easier to control the atmospheric composition and keep it stable, than on the whole planet.
nitrogen is not a toxic gas
if blight is the problem, then blight is the problem
people would fight the blight and try to change the atmosphere composition using different means of industry, not travel into space like morons
it wasn't blight, it was The Blight, an unexplained super plant killer
And that's a really underwhelming premise for a sci-fi disaster. I don't know if it even earns any points for realism.
The focus of the film isnt the disaster moron
So? I didn't say it was.
They had farms on their space stations.
unequivocal kino, cant believe so many chuds were filtered. ann hathaway was kinda cringe at some parts though
It was two scripts stapled together and the first one was good and the second was moronic
Shit movie for redditors
Trash. TARS is the only good thing.
People dont get it and get stuck on "muh love" and "muh bookshelf" because nolan tried to be smart for the smart people and dumb for the dumb people at the same time. The people who sperg about nolan's sentimental inserts are the same people who unironically say shit like "bro what if aliens were real.. could you imagine" and think they're being deep
But aliens, i.e. extraterrestrials, are real, so your point is moot.
>could you imagine
Seems to me people refuse to engage in that exercise, probably out of spiritual limitations. We already have a mountain of proof, the CIA Vault releases, the military releases, the Ganymede station death man's switch, etc.
Nolan wanted to be sappy because he's a little b***h, period.
Half and half. The hard sci-fi stuff is pretty great. The metaphysical fantasy stuff is garbage.
Good until love and book dimension
visuals were sick
It's a 3 hour movie, yet the final part seem rushed. Also the talking vending machine looks just stupid.
The interview/interrogation scene where they first introduce the scenes had my mind fricked for a second. I didn't realize he was talking to the black wall in front of him and didn't even really register the "wall" at all. I thought he was just in a room with an intercom and somebody was speaking to him through it for a good minute before they finally started framing it and recognizing it as an agent of the movie.
>read this thread
>people STILL dont understand interstellar
Holy kek its not that complicated
Contact is better in every way
is good sf
>is
was
>good
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>sf
LMAO
Its great besides the gay ending twist, idk why he feels the need to do that for every movie he makes
Trash film.
1 good scene.(C'mon Tars)
Fantastic score.
-Great first hour or so. Great concept, reasonably science based, good effects etc.
-By the time Matt Damon shows up it falls apart coz he looks right at the camera and starts explaining his characters motivation. I think at this point i burst out laughing
-By the end it's basically a makoto shinkai anime where the characters save the world with the power of love and friendship.
Wait i'm talking about interstellar. Is OPs pic from interstellar? I can't tell, all these space movies look identical.
pretty much agree. Solid sci-fi at first, if a bit preachy, develops nicely, then just goes waaaay of the rails and turns into yet another horror-in-alternate-dimension-because-space trashpiece, which is a real achievement because it isn't even horror.
the planets they visit are so shit looking
watch once then forget forever
trashy kino
Really could've done that theme without forcing it so literally
Kino that filtered brainlets
>Muh love is the answer
Yes. Unironically yes. We're human and in the overwhelming complexity of the universe, love is the thing that persistently motivates us.
it had shitty pacing at the beginning
it was a 9/10 kino
Kek
was rushed, should've been a miniseries
It was mid.
Unfathomably kino. I still watch it at least once a year.
I like it, but is full of terrible expository dialogue. For example
The Black person scientist, explains to Cooper how wormholes works with the classic paper and pen example, but Cooper is a fricking NASA pilot with an engineering background, so the whole scene dont make sense at all. If Coop explained to his daughter the same situation it could be more easy to believe.
>Cooper is a fricking NASA pilot with an engineering background
You don't need to know anything about wormholes to do that.
Yes, but a NASA guy explaying to another NASA guy who is the pilot of a mission which will travel through a wormhole how it works just minutes before? I mean, Cooper dont have a mission brief? he never studied Einstein/Rosen if he was a NASA engenieer?
I understand the point, my problem is not the explanation itself, my issue is why a NASA guy explained it to an another NASA guy in the most basic way. That why it could worked better if cooper would explained his travel to his daughter, because the whole explanation works better in a non profesional scenario.
>I understand the point, my problem is not the explanation itself, my issue is why a NASA guy explained it to an another NASA guy
Yeah fair enough. I guess I thought the way it was framed was decent enough for me to ignore that it was expository.
>he never studied Einstein/Rosen if he was a NASA engenieer?
Can you explain why he would need to? It may be something he glossed over and forgot because it's useless in the real world. Consider that you're also asking why someone like Neil Armstrong wouldn't know about how wormholes worked while someone like Stephen Hawking would.
You dont need to be Stephen Hawking to do the Pen and paper explanation. Indeed if you are the pilot of a mission which will go trough a wormhole, you expect the pilot would AT LEAST learn previously how a wormhole works, not to be explained minutes earlier.
And yes, Neil Armstrong studied Einstein / Rosen theories, maybe not in deep but enough to be close to the concept.
It's not explained minutes earlier, the film compresses time for the narrative's sake, Romily is still in his pajamas in that scene. Cooper's piloting also has no bearing on traversing the wormhole, he merely has to get to it.
>maybe not in deep but enough to be close to the concept
How do you know?
The wormhole thing is definitely cliche at this point but the purpose of that scene wasn't just to explain what a wormhole is. It was to explain to Cooper why it appears spherical rather than like a circular hole. It introduces the concept of the comprehensional disconnect between humans and our three perceivable dimensions and dimensions of higher magnitude. It's pretty solid ground work for the tesseract in the climax.
So, what did he do for 23 years?
He received a constant stream of ASMR videoa and saw two generations of girls blossom and then hit the wall.
I will say this about it. It's one of Nolan's better films. It's not perfect but it's certainly better than films like Tenet..
This movie is one of the best examples of that enjoyment iq chart that dips in the middle.
i think you mean it's a normal curve
Nah this movie filters midwits who spend too much time arguing over the science of a sci-fi movie
yeah, i think most of the people that hate this movie are either science worshippers or some variation of christcuck, that are close-minded to anything outside of their narrow perspective of how the universe works
Disagree strongly. I think it's for top-end brainlets right in that trough, who probably took a high-school year in physics at best, and either way have no idea why internal consistency is important to sci-fi stories. Ppl who aren't very good at anything and shitpost on Cinemaphile to prove themselves.
But that's just like, my opinion, man.
>and either way have no idea why internal consistency is important to sci-fi stories
confirmed science worshipper that thinks he knows how a black hole works
Kino of the highest order
Neither. Middle of the road. Good visuals and score. Alright acting (Matthew is the best of the bunch). Sub-par dialog and a ridiculous premise that doesn't make sense but because Hathaway is crying about it, people suddenly believe her (and it was done FAR better in the "Fall of Hyperion" books).
As a movie, especially in IMAX, it is in the top tier solely from visuals, audio, and pure spectacle. I've gone to see it again every few years when it comes to my local theatre in 70mm IMAX and never been disappointed.
The main problem with the plot is that the "twist" on the water planet (the previous explorer had only been there for a few days) should have been realized by the crew on their journey there. It's kind of egregious they didn't think of it. Aside from that, the science in general was consistent with widely accepted theories.
They should have made it into a horror movie.
The 5th dimensional beings were actually xenomorphs looking to stock one of their farm planets and were responsible for the Earth dying.
Then Matt Damon becomes the lone hero with the courage to save the human race.
Mathew McConaughey was working for the Aliens the whole time.
Murph is faced with the truth after Damon signals her through the watch.
Absolute trash, one of the most boring, predictable and overrated films I've ever seen. All the legion of "sci-fi fans" it spawned must be put to the cross. One of the most dissappointing movies I've ever seen.
I've forgot to talk about all the people that when you say you didn't like it they inmediatly go 'oh, that's because you didn't understand it". I FRICKING UNDERSTANDED IT, EVEN A FRICKING 12 YEAR OLD COULD UNDERSTAND IT, THEY LITERALLY EXPLAIN ALL OF THE SCIENCE THREE TIMES EACH TO NOT LEAVE A SINGLE moron BEHIND. It's a fricking shit movie, holy frick I hate it so much.
I agree it's overrated and trash, but how was it predictable?
As soon as the scene of the bookshelf happened with the little girl, I instantly Sayed "oh, that's definitely her dad from the future or some bullshit like that". I kid you not, I'm fricking terrible predicting movies, but that was so fricking clear. Also the fricking Dr Mann, who you knew as soon as he appeared that he was either crazy, evil or both.
>sayed
ESL-kun, you need to relax, you're post is particularly unhinged. With that said, I find suspicious that you could guess something so preposterously far-fetched that nobody thought would happen because everyone thought at the start they were watching a serious film, but I choose to believe you for know.
>ESL-kun
>you're
I too am an ESL-kun I guess.
I remember the day I saw this, went out with my housemate and best bud while we were still at Uni. Kino, on the way back grabbed some subway and I remember eating it at home. I laid on the carpet ming baffled by the film. I was the GM of a wow guild and the expansion was also out in 3-4 hours, after the sub and some discussing popped on discord or teamspeak with the guildies and we had a blast till the morning. Probably one of the best days ive had
It was dogshit that people pretended was good because they're stupid and surface-level.
>blight plot
Never resolved.
>exodus from Earth
Never shown.
>future humans who live in a blackhole create wormhole to get past humans off Earth to fly into the black hole and discover them so they can know how gravity works
This is a paradox that destroys the entire movie, and Nolan didn't care.
He could have made a very simple plot of
>Oh no, there's too many humans on Earth and we're destroying the ecology. We have to find a new world to live on and Mars, etc., won't cut it because they're not compatible with human physiology
>It's up to you, Mr. Astronaut Man and your crew of plucky scientists, to save humanity!
>Here, use this new FTL drive we just invented
It was trash tier kino, love always is dog!