All the recent talk about Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League got me thinking about Deadshot.
Why does nobody ever adapt Floyd's self destructive/suicidal tendencies? Like its always MUH DAUGHTER or he's just a hitman rather than a broken man who keeps setting himself up to die because he doesn't actually want to do it himself?
Because since New 52 they usually focus on superficial aspects of the New 52 combined with their all-new Harley Quinn
Do we need to force everyone who writes the Suicide Squad to read Ostrander?
Yes cause I'm not dealing with another Tom Taylor situation where he makes the story about his shitty OCs.
YES
I don't know who the frick decided on the directions for Suicide Squad since the New 52 but it's pretty clear it's time for that intervention
Yes. He is to Suicide Squad what Claremont was to Xmen. He’s the only reason they have any relevance in the modern age. That the majority of inspiration doesn’t ALREADY come from his work is baffling.
I wouldn’t mind Deadshot being turned black as much if his personality had been kept, but after the fricking will smith movie he’s destined to be just the generic straight-man of the group. He’s as different as nuHarley, and I hate that she’s just a default member of the team now. Even if it was old Harley she’d barely make any sense as a team member unless it was some kind of very specific scenario.
There was a lot of cool stuff coming out then wasnt there? I cant give an informed answer but maybe it was just the right people in the right place at the right time.
The Suicide Squad's state feels like if the 2012 relaunch of the Guardians of the Galaxy is what stuck in pop culture and Iron Man was irrevocably heading the team whenever they get put in movies, shows games, etc..
It can't be that bad
>Bendis
I'm so sorry.
It’d be like if Thor was a constant on the team because he was briefly with them in the movies.
I know everyone has said it so many times already, but it’s so disappointing the route they took with Harley. She was my favorite character in TAS, now if she’s in something I lose interest in it.
Suicide Squad is gonna be the wacky squad forever because of how the movies were handled.
Maybe that isn’t right, they always had a certain level of goofiness. It was just well done and actually balanced with the serious moments. Now they’re the diet MCU squad or something. I dont know. They just fricking suck now.
They're "adult" meaning they say frick, damn, shit and piss while gorily killing people rather than people respecting them as as a collection of dangerous criminals, psychopaths, neurotic misfits who could die at any moment because nobody would miss them.
I kind of did in CW's Arrow
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Wait, that's supposed to be Deadshot. Holy shit that costume sucks, they made Floyd a pretty boy rather than a dude with a pornostache.
One of these days imma need one of you homies to lay out how such kino came out of 80s dc after the mid showing that was crisis. How the frick did the company that was owned by a major studio for over three decades before marvel got bought out be more punk than the independent company that marvel was
The 80s and even 90s was genuinely such a good time for comics.
>rise of indie comics continuing from the 70s
>Image, Vertigo, Dark Horse all begin sprouting up
>based God Jim Shooter was running Marvel and some of their best fricking work was getting dropped with absolute bangers for Spidey like the Death of Jean DeWolfe/Sin-Eater and Kraven's Last Hunt or Foolkiller
>Vigilante drops as well with a perfect compliment to Foolkiller
>Alan Moore hasn't been mindbroken yet so he's dropping some hard shit too along with the rest of the British invasion
>Judge Dredd and the rest of 2000 AD is in full swing
>GI Joe and Transformers got some good shit coming from them too
>Frank Miller works his magic and puts out some of his best work in this period in rapid succession
>Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale are fricking shit hard
>artists realize they don't always have to rely on house style and start to get more experimental and creative
>M2 has Spider-Girl sprout up at the very tail end of the 90s to cap it all off
>horror comics are back and better than ever
You kings, you ate so well. You feasted.
Yeah, it's a shame. With the resurgence of Suicide Squad I wish they used the characterizations of Waller and Deadshot from the Ostrander run. Deadshot adaptions keep using the Gage mini which is far less interesting. Waller is mainly about opposing superheroes like Batman or Superman, although Dcau Waller was good.
Its why I hate wallet being shunted as DCs “nick fury” when she was more interesting as a straight up antagonist that will work with heros ONLY when it serves her interest or the survival of the earth. Its why I hate her characterization in the Gunn suicide squad, it wasn’t even nuanced she was just evil and incompetent
The frick are you talking about. She’s not DC’s Nick Fury. Literally every appearance of hers is antagonistic and makes clear she’s a villain
I’d argue that the movies are framing her as a nick fury
Only in the sense that they’re using a specific character to represent the government when it comes to dealing with capes, because it’s a natural way to address and depict a shared universe issue. Nick Fury was a friendly spook who wanted to build Avengers when superhumans began popping up. Waller is an antagonist who wants power and poses direct threat to capes.
Because it ends up glorifying suicidal tendencies the longer you keep it going without resolution or showing the actual damage and self harm it causes.
He sounds pretty willing to die when you beat him in Arkham Origins. It's just one line of dialogue though.
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The Assault on Arkham Series also had Floyd be pretty fatalistic as well.
Being fair the comics show Floyd ends up blowing himself apart a lot, his kid ends up dead along with everyone else around him. Floyd doesnt really glorify it at all.