>“Americans shoot things and they blow up and the like, so as you’d expect, they make movies like that,” Miyazaki stated. “If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them. Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage.”
>“How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans. Those who don’t know that, yet say they love fantasy are idiots.”
>“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing,” he explained. “You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective. You don’t know how you are viewed by a country like America.”
Was he right about modern American politic-I mean movie making??
Ah yes, the famous peaceful orc civilians who died tragically during the siege of Minas Tirith.
Who could forget great characters like Gorgoth the Defiler, who only wanted to get groceries that day?
spbp
moron
Orcs were the good guys in LOTR.
t. The Last Ringbearer
Smart orc!
~~*Elf*~~ hands typed this.
>be me
>orc
>the only thing I can do is destroy
>"WE WERE THE GOOD GUYS, GORZAK BLOODDRINKER DID NOTHING WRONG THOSE HOBBITS DESERVED IT FOR HAVING A COMFORTABLE, FULFILLING LIFE"
That’s exactly the point, it’s morally immature to imagine your enemies as a horde of subhumans so you can soiface over your heroes doing epic triple kill moves while skateboarding on uruk hai shields. When Miyazaki shows violence, there is no escaping the fact that the lives of your enemies are as fully realized as your own. No orcs or barbarian hordes.
*akhem*
RUSSIA
This. Russians always imagine their enemies as some nameless horde of contradictory terms because it's easier (muh israeli troony nazis in Ukraine, for example)
Even many Russian soldiers make good protags. Many of the best ones died long ago. But still, an absurd claim.
Do you think the terrorist on Oct. 7 are fully realized moral being. How about the Japs that committed the Nanjing massacre? The Mongols that sacked Baghdad? ect ect There are still large populations that are nothing more than hordes of uncivilized subhumans. No amount of moral relativism or the West le bad changes that. The Japs of the Imperial Japan were subhumans, full stop. Immaturity is not owning up to your own moral fallings and what they reap.
>Immaturity is not owning up to your own moral fallings and what they reap.
I’m not sure how Miyazaki fails to own up to ”his own” moral failings, or those of imperialist Japan. He’s staunchly opposed to modern militarisation in Japan. Most of his work has some kind of anti-war theme.
It’s easy to sound like a sanctimonious pacifist when you’ve got mean ol’ Murrica there to throw metaphorical rocks at while they’re the only thing holding most of the countries in the region from being annexed by China, Russia, or the Norkies.
Which of his films explores his family's role in providing the weapons for Japan's raping of South East Asia? The Wind Rises avoid any serious thoughts on the subject and completely white washes the role of complicit citizens like Jiro.
Also his anti-JDF position has more to do with his hatred of America and likely his preference for Japan to be under the yoke of another country in the region...
>When Miyazaki shows violence, there is no escaping the fact that the lives of your enemies are as fully realized as your own.
>Enter the anthropomorphic parakeet army that is constantly trying to cook the main character for dinner
Moral immaturity is being unable to recognise moralities other than your own. Like you’re doing, with those violent “subhumans”.
Miyazaki has black squid monsters that want to molest young kids in literally ever movie.
>Miyazaki has black squid monsters that want to molest young kids in literally ever movie.
Examples? I dont remember this.
>Miyazaki reportedly once shouted “What’s wrong with falling in love with a 12-year-old girl?" at fellow director Mamoru Oshii when drunk: Those girls are innocent plants for Miya-san. His mind is like a little girl who is standing beyond the mirror. I still don’t get it though. I guess it’s barely different from mine. I have no idea, because I have never been interested in an actual little girl, or child. But he has. When he got terribly drunk, he suddenly shouted “What’s wrong with falling in love with a 12-year-old girl?” That was obviously his true colours.
Well? Answer him.
It's pedophilia.
A word that didn't exist for most of history because it describes a phenomena that was perfectly normal.
And? What's the point you are trying to make here?
Based Jap telling the truth.
Greasy couch-locked Amerifats eternally seething in this thread.
Pedo asiatic upset at Americans for kicking their ass in WW2 and refusing to apologize for war crimes.
Who cares what some old literal who nip thinks?
Mostly murricans who seethe about other country's media getting popular.
OP's been throwing up this shit multiple times. Last time he even included a quote from the fricking 60s lmao
>Nips are soulless, evil rapists, cannibals and murdered so as you'd expect, they make movies (porn) like that
>the usa invented war in 1945 to oppress a world people totally at peace
righto
friendly reminder that these threads are made by go*k shills
Looks like it yeah.
reminder sweden isn't korea
flag itself doesn't mean shit
>but the heckin' nukonimos
You were one of the most bloodthirsty imperial regimes, you fricks.
>americans are racist and want to kill non whites.
no shit.
Hes right
american media is literally owned by a few dozen washington spooks and israelites
everything americans consume is state media without them knowing it
and yes it is social conditioning to keep the NPCs thinking they have to go to war and mass murder some nonsensical evil enemy instead of asking about geopolitics
I'm not an American but Japs literally used to turn Chinese babies into kebabs.
If he's willing to play the whole 'sins of the father' card then he must understand that it goes both ways.
Without Unit 731's groundbreaking research we'd have never known that babies die when stabbed with a bayonet or that a live vivisection will kill you, you should be grateful
Two nukes weren't enough.
Should have nuked Moscow or China, moron
I agree, Moscow and Beijing should have been nuked as well as Japan.
100% agree
It's generally considered bad form to nuke your allies during war.
Bin Laden and his thugs were allies of the United States. And then the USA killed him.
add Belin, Paris, Tokyo, Manila, Rome, Pyongyang to that list for good measure
And Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka, Nagoya, Sapporo, Fukuoka, Kobe, Kawasaki, Kyoto, Saitama, , Sendai, Chiba, and Kitakyushu
No, just South Korea will do.
Nah mate.
The dog eaters will find a way to infect the white man with their oriental plague if any of their populations centers are left un-nuked.
We need to nuke the shit out of them and then build the big wall of china to keep the east asians away.
>le atrocity propaganda courtesy of reddit
sup, Davido-kun
Maybe if you spent more time on developing something useful instead of whether or not grenades kill human test subjects you'd have won the war
Yeah, that was why the US went out of it's way to pardon Unit 731. The "useless" research.
why didn't the asiatics win the war with their 'not useless' research?
The glorious Nippon base simply could not compete with war economy America.
*industrial base
>raping women to death and skewering babies on bayonets aren’t war crimes if they were done by the asiatics that make my hentai
Reminder that Iris Chang was unpersoned by the CCP because her lies didn't even pass the muster test of literal commies.
>watashi wa studied the blade watashi no katana will cut through the peasant's baby like a butter
>oh no big white men come and crushed me like a wienerroach for being a moron tbh
>reddit propaganda tbh
If it's fake, why did amerimutts pardon them to get access to the research that totally isn't real?
>americhads actually had to save the asses of tranime japs after they bombed them
lmaooo
Unit 731, Rape of Nanking, comfort women, etc. are like the holohoax where some actual bad stuff did happen, but it's been exaggerated to a ridiculous extent by grifters over the past 70 years. It's like if Iran took the Abu Ghraib incident or the Haditha massacre and claimed that they were justifications for nuking NYC. The truth of the matter is that every military on earth has homosexualy meatheaded Black folk who enjoy committing mindless violence against helpless civilians if given the opportunity. Those types of people are psychopaths who think being in the military gives them a license to kill.
Nah the nazi medical experimentation wasn't actually real so the americans didn't mind just killing them, nothing to be lost. Very much unlike german research into rocketry, which was definitely real.
Miyazaki is unable to address his deep discomfort with the evil displayed by his people in the 20th century despite his constant and public discussion of it. He hides in a framework of moral relativism to disassociate from the guilt, sure, we were evil but the Americans are evil as well what does it even matter. He cannot appreciate the Lord of the Rings because he cannot accept that good really exists in the world. That is why his stories are always about young girls, he perceives their innocence and naivety as protecting a spark of good that only exists until the evil that is the broader world snuffs it out.
>He cannot appreciate the Lord of the Rings because he cannot accept that good really exists in the world.
Well said. But Tolkien did definitely base orcs on asians:
>squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
B... but think about the orc civilians! They barely eat any human meat at all!
>20ty century
Japan has thousands of years of recorded and legendary history and all of it is like that. Ww2 propaganda couldn't have been any more right.
why are japs so passive-aggressive towards Americans
Americans geopolitically cucked Japan not once, but twice
Perry was just a weeb who wanted to buy japanese shit
Miyazaki isn't passive-aggressive at all.
>NO NOT MY HECKIN ORCIRINOS
Japs don't believe in good and evil because they haven't accepted Christ.
Counterpoint: American blacks go to Church.
American blacks usually set churches on fire because they find it funny.
There are white people who go to Church and are still pieces of shit too, tbf. Going to Church doesn't mean you've accepted Christ, it's just one of the prerequisites.
Japanese people need to shut the frick up about historical ethics. They tried to take over the whole of Asia and got thier shit pushed in. If they we better at fighting we'd all be subjects in their cruel experiments.
Literally everyone on the planet did that at some point in history.
>literally.
Opinion disregarded
It's not my opinion. It's a historical fact.
Had I said anything else, I would just have been wrong.
It's not a fact that everyone in history has tried to take over the whole of Asia.
>take over the whole of Asia.
Since you just admitted to not arguing in good faith, I will now stop talking to you.
That's what my original comment said you prissy little homosexual.
>Sure, my country is spreading death and destruction across the globe, but you can't say anything about it because your country did bad things 80 years ago
>>“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing,” he explained. “You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot.
As a German, I can fully understand him and I agree. Frick every Burgerlander who makes movies.
Frick every German who uncritically enjoys WW2 movies or Indiana Jones style stories.
oh Ahmed
>Ahmed
Funny, that's the name that was on the doorbell of the Kanacke's house that I burned down last week for the lulz. Hope that wasn't you.
>muslim assaulting other muslims
you aren't even white so it checks out
German war films that don’t have picrel energy when?
>never
I know but it does make me sad
>jeet getting swiped by a white girl
Must be the CEO of google or something
She was just feeling particularly yt atm and needed to apologize
Of course there is no killing or shooting in any of Miyazakis work.
Wish this c**t would die already.
The best thing about Miyazaki is how his most basic takes makes burgoids seethe endlessly.
two nukes weren't enough for these article 9 cucks
I hate americans but uncle Lao is wrong about LOTR, orcs are true evil without redeeming qualities
hey! cool it with the anti-semitism Cellularphoniqua!
>Based America killing Black folk
kinda weird them killing themselves but fr fr I respect that cuhs! no cap on tge gyaat god!
You know what, I never got why you homosexuals are so obsessed with nips. They're moronic bugs who cannot produce meaningful art to save their lives, they're unimaginative, and they literally look just as ugly as Black folk. A bunch of copy cats. I never will understand Japanophillia or whatever else.
>who cannot produce meaningful art to save their lives
He says while reaction posting with an amerislop soap opera.
Is Lord Of The Rings even American?
Tolkien was a Brit.
No, and it was made by a guy who hated Americans way more than Miyazaki does.
Of course OP is taking tertiary mistranslated quotes from ancient sources to stir up shit so it's a moot point.
Wouldn't work as well if all the low IQ mutts that have devoured America weren't so insecure over the japanese though.
Based Tolkien speaking out against Globohomosexual in the 1940s
That’s what
>Tolkien was a heckin antiracist
Bugmen don’t understand. He would have been against England being colonized by minorities today for the same reason he was against Britain colonizing [insert anywhere]. He wants to have his own happy English shire and he wants to let others have their own happy Botswanan or Algerian or German shires too.
A bit naive perhaps but the man had principles that were universal, even Catholic, not
>whiteness must be eradicated
Which in his era wasn’t saying much but today falls like a lightning bolt
Here’s a song with the same energy
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english is my second language, can someone translate this to the dumb frick english version? I don't understand shit
First line is about the Malta conference with him making a dig saying Churchill actually looked like worst thug out of the lot. (out of Stalin and Roosevelt)
Then he's saying that post-war he's worried that there won't be any places left for "reactionaries" (non-progressives/traditionalists) like himself and his son and that all the shit of the imperialist nations like the US is spreading to the rest of the world like feminism, mass-production and morale-pep (that's management horseshit for reference) there won't be a point in going anywhere because it'll all just be one big americanized shithole. (some of this is said with jesting language but he clearly also means it)
The curse of Babel refers to when God cursed all the nations to have their own language.
The second part is him asserting that he finds this forced push for American cosmopolitan "culture" to be terrifying and that he, and many other englishmen, think winning the war against Nazi Germany might actually end up worse for the world as a whole in the long run if it means american culture spreading. (and he says this is a normal view among many english people)
Then he says this isn't anti-patriotic talk because he loves England (but hates the very idea of "Britain" with it's imperialism) and that if he was still young enough he would be fighting to the bitter end even if he was worried that winning would be as bad or even worse than losing.
damn, never knew Tolkien was this based.
Yeah, orcs are industrialization turning men into cruel soulless beast incapable of valuing anything except power and efficiency and reflect his experience as an officer in the somme.
>curse of babel
Why would he hate the idea of improved global communication, even in jest
Because it means turning everywhere the same.
All the good stuff about Japan comes about because they speak their own language and do their own thing and all the fricking garbage coming out of the west can only have limited spread there because people never really learn english so it has to filter into Japanese first which means people can call it out for the bullshit it is early on without interference from english speakers on the other side of the world.
You can share a language while retaining individual culture. The problems you describe can be exacerbated by the lack of a language barrier, but being able to communicate isn't the root cause of it.
It can and does happen regardless.
>You can share a language while retaining individual culture.
Self-evidently not as anyone on here can attest to.
We know and are influenced by amerishit more than anyone would like to admit.
>language loses all its beauty when used by everyone as the lowest common denominator for communication
Just look how flowery and interesting English was even a century ago compared to today.
Now that Cinemaphile has been flooded with hispanics I see that he was right
>There’s no pride, no historical perspective.
Where is the historical perspective on Japanese imperialism I wonder.
>Japanese imperialism
Get over it.
I don't need to I just don't like people pointing at other countries history with a moralistic perspective while ignoring their own.
Miyazaki shits on Japan all the time. He made an entire movie about it.
>'Kill all indiscriminately!' Gandalf shouted above the din. 'Combatants and civilians alike! All must pay!'
>claimed by a pajeet named Swapnil
>who is quoting Kotaku
>who is quoting a japanese blog that says he said it but doesn't name the paper it showed up in
Literal brainlet tier sourcing.
lol and the blog they're citing is just a literal 2ch post from 2014
Meanwhile in anime they kill and molest
I love to shit on burgers, but Miyazaki is a fricking moron. He has zero self-awareness; he doesn't understand any country, even Japan itself, history and culture.
Rich coming from a Jap. They treated their enemies and POWs like honorless animals.
Those girls are innocent plants for Miya-san. His mind is like a little girl who is standing beyond the mirror. I still don’t get it though. I guess it’s barely different from mine. I have no idea, because I have never been interested in an actual little girl, or child. But he has. When he got terribly drunk, he suddenly shouted “What’s wrong with falling in love with a 12-year-old girl?” That was obviously his true colours.
Does he really defend Imperial Japan's actions like everyone ITT says? I thought he was a commie? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to check. Because you can criticize America without defending Imperial Japan.
No It's pure cope from burgers
Hes criticizing Japans past so many god damn time
On the other hand, it's true that he hates the US so much that he told an American audience at a Hollywood ceremony that he was proud that the JSDF had not killed a single person in the Middle East
>Does he really defend Imperial Japan's actions like everyone ITT says?
No he hates imperialism and thinks JP should keep kneeling on the comfort women and shit. (even though he knows they've made like a billion apologies and paid South Korea hundreds of millions in reparations for the crime of paying for prostitutes)
>I thought he was a commie?
Well an ex-one who stills buy into some of their historicism as far as I can tell. His obvious love for Europe kinda puts him at odds with some of the worst commie shit though.
Kinda hard to tell how much is real when he sells a persona in his documentaries to help advertise his movies.
the interesting thing about ww2 is that the chinese and koreans were fricked over doubly by both america and japan
japan absolutely used slave labour, but many thousands of them were sent to nagasaki and hiroshima. forced there by japan, bombed to dust by americans. had it not been for japan they would never have been there of course, but still pretty fricked. interestingly ive heard a lot of support for the 2 nukes from chinese and koreans, despite the fact it killed so many of their own people
I think Miyazaki should be reminded what his fellow le wholesome japs did in ww2 and before that
It was all in self-defence, those civilians at Nanking were a threat to the glorious japanese empire.
That reminds me of the story of a literal nazi ambassador (or maybe he was a trade attachée) who saw these massacers and actually hid chinese on his property. Just imagine. A man that flies the swastika in his garden was apalled at your actions towards people you consider subhuman.
Schindler was also a card-carrying member of the NSDAP, not just
>muh good apolitical German
What was Gondor's prisoner of war policy?
Lord of the Rings is a british/Euro thing
Americans love blowing stuff up though. And guns. And they like Hamburgers.
The projection here is unreal, what he describes is far more in-line with how Japan viewed other countries before America bombed their ass in WW2. Considering his age he's probably still salty about that honestly.
>The projection here is unreal
I dunno I definitely feel like he's right when it comes to Hollywood. LOTR's questionable but Indy does come straight out of that pulp-era.
You can also see a lot of the seethe ITT mostly comes down to "it's true but you shouldn't say it" type seethe.
Japanese people pretending they are innocent angels who have never hurt anybody is the most annoying moronic shit on the planet
I think he's just more focused on what's going on with recent history
I've never seen any of his movies, so I really don't care what his opinions are.
It’s not just him it’s literally every Japanese film/movie that references war in any way, they always have to throw in some shit about how they dindu nuffin and how the evil west wuz killin them for no reason
>Lying on the internet
Why?
It feels more like he was calling out what the US was actively doing in the Middle East rather than b***hing about what they did in ww2.
Previous atrocities don't make new ones okay, otherwise Gaza wouldn't be getting this kind of attention
>literally every Japanese film/movie that references war in any way, they always have to throw in some shit about how they dindu nuffin and how the evil west wuz killin them for no reason
Give us some examples. The last Japanese movie I saw about the war was Godzilla Minus One, which shat on the Japanese government throughout the entire runtime, and didn't even say anything bad about the United States (except complaining that the US Navy wasn't dealing with Godzilla for plot reasons).
Not him but the last one I watched was Gate of Flesh which takes place in occupied post-war Japan. American soldiers are depicted as scumbags ordering the broken Japanese people around and fricking Japanese prostitutes, and the protagonist continues the war on a personal level by continuing to scrap with them while hiding out with a group of prostitutes
Yeah but rapes during the occupation period actually happened, and it's not exactly the same as them saying that "they dindu nuffin and how the evil west wuz killin them for no reason." Look up the 1945 Katsuyama killing incident AKA the "Cave of the Black folk" as it's called in Okinawa.
Do you know what Japan used as an example to change its own country in the 20th century?
It was not based on the venerable and proud feudalism of China and Japan, but on the imperialism of the West
>If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them.
And there's nothing wrong with that
Just wstched Ponyo last night. I liked it because of the cute fish, the hot mom AND the comfy town, not because the enviromentalist theme
>American
>Lord of the Rings
smartest slant eyed moron
weaboos will slurp this guys wiener
He's clearly talking about the movie.
Which are based on the books, written by:
>Which are based on the books
Barely.
>Barely.
The movie is from New Zealand my dude, and the book is British
Miyazaki gets shit on all the time.
I always thought it was odd in capeshit you’ll watch or read the heroes mowing down scores of aliens or random goons with no qualms but then when it’s a named character or just someone played by an A-lister or B-lister then it becomes a moral dilemma.
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virgin psychotic killer hero having a moral dillemma the Chad
>kills people I don’t like
Why is he such a huge feminist c**t?
>thick plastic glasses
Yeah, he's got that leftist intellectual vibe to him.
He's not really.
Suzuki once described how he was totally a feminist by saying he made the women's bathroom prettier or some shit. Like laughable platitudes.
Almost all of his movies are feminist propaganda though.
As a devil's advocate I would say you should keep in mind he was born in 40s in Japan. He wasn't living in a modern white 1st world country where women are the elite class citizens, he was raised in a very traditional and very patriarchal society and I think he witnessed a fair amount of injustice which created his worldviews and yet still he's not near 3rd wave feminism ideology
>Killing your enemy is bad, muh power of friendship
>Japanese people enjoying American media bad because Japanese people are the ones being being shot
What a moronic take lmao. So my guess is that he only has extremely topical knowledge of American media
>Americans shoot things and they blow up and the like
Hell yea.
It's kind of annoying when you almost completely disagree with Miyazaki but then all the morons who can't even follow two lines of argument without getting mixed up make you want to defend him.
Giving smartphones access to the internet was the biggest mistake the west ever did.
>Killing orcs who will kill you and rape your wife is... LE BAD
Well, that's his problem, that other races are portrayed like that.
Orcs/Uruks aren’t a race
They aren’t a people that naturally came about
They don’t have a culture, they don’t even have women or children
They’re weapons, spawned as full adults out of the ground with dark magic and hatred
To say they’re a “people” or that they’re in any way comparable to an irl race is like saying that Hunter-killer drones are an ethnic group
Did he not know that Tolkien was a war veteran?
He probably thinks that Tolkien is an American WW2 veteran
Also, the American version of Tolkein hated war and the US government.
>Rape, murder, genocide, and human experiments are only okay when Nippon does it!
The ramblings of a dude who’s used to being able to talk out of his ass, while a bunch of terrified Yes Men nod along.
Yeah except it's literally 20+ year old ramblings we can't even source to an actual interview because OP is some buttmad korean and americans can't help themselves at seething against approved targets, which Japan now constitutes for plebbitors after like a decade of propaganda.
it's not like Japs didn't brought this on themselves
That's exactly the moronic shit i'm talking about.
Redditors, or more precisely the advertisers that run that piece of shit website, have unironically been droning the line of MUH WW2 nonstop as an excuse to push diversity bullshit on Japan.
Yes.
He’s got enough of a documented history of being a bitter old douche that it’s completely within the realm of believability. He’s basically the Alan Moore of Japan, but at least Moore doesn’t hide behind a squeaky clean family-friendly public face.
>dude makes e-girl movies
>ACKTUALLY hollywood movies are way worst!
He sounds like a seething old coot, but he's actually right. Go on Facebook and find some news article about Japan. There will always be some old boomer in the comments b***hing about Pearl Harbor, even though it happened over 80 years ago before 97% of the current US population was even born. The WWII generation in America mythologized themselves to such an extent that the subsequent generations act like you're spitting on grandpappy's grave if you don't have a permanent stick up your ass toward the average Japanese or German person living today (despite being our geopolitical allies against Russia and China). This attitude is also downstream from the atomic bombings, which are essentially the foundational myth of postwar America. The atomic bombings were the US government officially sanctioning the amoral belief that it's ok to kill unlimited numbers of a faceless, dehumanized enemy (along with their women and children) as a means to an end. There's no distinction between combatant or civilian.
Nice essay, ESL homosexual. You will never japanese.
>t. reddit Black person getting buttmad over a wojak comic
Go on. Write another blogpost for me boy.
Literally everyone, EVERYONE in WW2 was cool with killing civilians to get what they wanted. The Japs were slaughtering their way through China like it was the fricking middle ages, they didn't give a shit. Hell, Nanking aside, after the Doolittle raid that bombed Tokyo early in the war they killed over 250,000 chinks by hand just because they were pissed at them for helping the American bombers. So forgive me if I don't give a single flying frick about Jap crocodile tears.
>two wrongs make a right
You really think Truman dropped the nukes on Japan to protect the heckin' chinkerinos? If the USA and China went to war tomorrow, then most braindead Americans would be clamoring to nuke the Chinese. You're right that "everyone" was cool with bombing civilians during WWII, because those governments were (and still are) controlled by megalomaniacal psychopaths. From the Jap perspective, they attacked some battleships in our military harbor, and we responded by nuking two cities to murder hundreds of thousands of civilians. It's not hard to understand why they're butthurt about it when those peasants who were on the receiving end of the nukes had basically no say in what the ruling aristocratic military junta government was doing anyway (unlike the Western Allies that were purportedly constitutional republics).
Crocodile tears is such a massive cope term to justify a lack of empathy toward civilians when it fits your narrative
The mutt in this picture is unironically right, and the Japanese military didn't give a shit about honorable warfare as they had already lost that battle long ago. They were literally gearing up to feed their entire civilian population into a suicidal meat grinder where schoolgirls charged at invading troops with sharpened sticks and shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Fighting_Corps
what the frick is wrong with japs
>We saved Japs by vaporizes civilians guys!!!!
Absolutely no one in this world eat that statements expect Americans just deal with it
whoa Chang you're still angry
The Germans were doing the same thing, but we didn't think it was necessary to nuke them. Realistically do you think a bunch of 5 foot tall malnourished teenage girls and old grannies armed with bamboo spears would have put up more than a token resistance against American GIs? The whole "we had to kill millions to save billions" reasoning was just an excuse for Truman to use his new toys and show the Russians that there was a new sheriff in town.
>but we didn't think it was necessary to nuke them.
Because they lost before you had the bomb, lol. You firebombed their cities just the same, and that's about as cruel.
>Realistically do you think a bunch of 5 foot tall malnourished teenage girls and old grannies armed with bamboo spears would have put up more than a token resistance against American GIs
Japanese were not malnourished in 45 and they still held on to Korea, much of Manchuria, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, many other parts of South East Asia in July of 45. They still had significant reserves of men and older teenagers that could have been marshaled for home defense.
Funny because the American officers in charge of SIGINT for the Japanese front said they didn't and that they were at most a few weeks away from surrendering before the first nuke dropped.
>dude trust me I read that on an anti-american thread on /misc/
Brigadier General Carter W. Clarke in charge of summarizing US Intel from the Japanese Magic cables for the White House:
>In a 1959 interview, Clarke said that he disagreed with the decision to drop atomic bombings on Japan at the end of World War II and believed it had been unnecessary since Japan was "down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."
Inb4 he must have been some lefty bleeding heart.
He was the man behind the Venona Project which organized all significant anti-commie espionage in the US from 1943 until 1980.
Incidentally this view is echoed by practically every single General in charge of the Pacific theatre, including the main charge of the main firebombing campaign against the Japanese Curtis LeMay who basically told pro-nuke people to frick off and that the researcher geeks were just trying to steal credit for his work.
The only General to claim it was at all necessary was in charge of the Manhattan Project, Leslie Groves, and has his career tied to the nukes.
It's a good thing they ignored him, then. Frick japs.
Perhaps he was wrong and what he said has been propagandized by peaceniks and other disgusting people...
I always like how people leave out how the IJA 3rd Army was headquartered in Hiroshima, the significant industrial capacity of Nagasaki, the significant amount of IJN assets and officers in Hiroshima, ect, ect. Even the claim of Soviet declaration of war caused Japan to surrender is half baked bull shit. Soviet had no naval capacity to support an invasion of any of the home islands. At best the Soviet declaration of war meant that Japan lost it final out by utilizing the Soviets for favorable terms of surrender.
Or maybe you just ignore the Generals because they don't jive with the mythos you've built up where nuclear bombing two civilian centres were definitely 100% mandatory. (which even Truman didn't claim but hey who cares about the truth when some bullshit Howard Zinn-tier revisionism is at stake)
Sorry but a single quote by a brigadier general in the signals corps is not definite evidence of anything.
This argument holds up when you talk about conventional bombing at the time, which at least had the plausible deniability of trying to destroy military targets or war industry (even though it was well known that civilians who lived near factories, train yards, etc. would also be killed). That argument doesn't hold water when you expand that to the genocidal act of vaporizing entire cities off the face of the earth just because there's a military base or shipyard nearby. Most of the US generals at the time disagreed with the atomic bombings because they had a sense of honor, and considered it inhumane to deliberately wage war against women and children vs incidentally killing them as a consequence of conventional attacks against legitimate targets.
>Most of the US generals at the time disagreed with the atomic bombings because they had a sense of honor
That's overstating it.
They did disagree with the bombing because they didn't agree it did anything that firebombing them didn't and they didn't like the politics involved in it.
Two of the generals basically had to explain it to Truman that nuking Kyoto like his "advisors" wanted would make Japan ungovernable and would make them side with the Soviets guaranteed.
But honor has never really stuck out has having been part of the US military's considerations from what i've read.
>But honor has never really stuck out has having been part of the US military's considerations from what i've read.
I'm talking about the generals who were vocally against the bombs and were only aware they were going to be used at the 11th hour.
Impossible since US submarines already controlled the Pacific at that point. What happened was that industrialists who supported the Manhattan Project feared boycotts after the general public became more aware of how inhumane the bombs and their aftereffects were, so they made up a racist myth that the Japanese were genetically fanatical psychos who would have sent their own daughters and grandmas charging into machinegun fire if we didn't nuke them first. US public education teaches the false dichotomy that the only options for ending the war were a massive ground-based invasion of Japan or dropping the atomic bombs (rather than, you know, diplomacy). If it was really about saving American lives, then Truman could have more seriously tried to negotiate a Japanese surrender after the Potsdam Conference rather than stonewalling them by maintaining Roosevelt's "unconditional surrender" mandate.
>Impossible since US submarines already controlled the Pacific at that point
No. While Japan's merchant fleet had been severely hurt by US submarines in 45 the merchant fleet was still active in South China Sea in August of 45. Enough tonnage was still available to enable Japan to hold years.
>made up a racist myth that the Japanese were genetically fanatical psychos
Everything else is you typed is moronic nonsense so obviously wrong that it is not even worth engaging.
>Enough tonnage was still available to enable Japan to hold years.
So explain why Japan was petitioning surrender before the bombs were even dropped then.
>nuke a whole city because there's a shipyard nearby
This is like if Russia nuked NYC because West Point is close to it, and all those civilians there were paying taxes to support the US military so it's justified.
Cry more
Japan fricked around and found out
Simple as
The bombs were 20kt-15kt, they did not vaporize entire cities. The bombing of Nagasaki was limited to the area in the Urakami valley. Which was the industrial heart of the city...
> deliberately wage war against women and children vs incidentally killing
LMAO. The reality of air war of over Europe in 43 which lead to LeMay's reforms shows how ignorant you are.
Truman intentionally prolonged the war by not telling the Japs that the USSR would declare war on them exactly three months after Germany's surrender, because he knew Japan would immediately capitulate to all the US demands rather than allow themselves to be divided in half by the commies like what was done to Germany. The atomic bombs were dropped at the same time the USSR declared war so it would look like Japan surrendered because of the bombs. This allowed the USSR to expand its foothold into Manchuria and Korea when that could have been completely avoided if Japan had been privy to their plan to declare war on August 7, 1945. Before that, Japan was still trying to petition the USSR to act as a mediator between themselves and the USA to negotiate surrender. The reason why Japan didn't surrender earlier is because of Roosevelt's stubborn insistence of "unconditional surrender," which the ruling Japanese military junta perceived as a death sentence for themselves and the Emperor, if not Japan as a whole. They finally surrendered after the USSR declared war because they figured that whatever the USA would do to them couldn't be nearly as bad as what the commies would do.
>dude Americans CANNOT bomb cities like everyone else had been doing the entire war
Why not? If the Brits can bomb Berlin and the Germans can bomb London surely we can firebomb or nuke Nagasaki.
So if somebody killed your mom that means it's ok for you to go out and kill somebody else's mom?
That is the nig mindset yes.
>dey ain't muh kin hurr
>I dun 'now 'em
sounds about right. Don't people like you wish total american death just because some californians make shitty games and movies?
>Don't people like you wish total american death just because some californians make shitty games and movies?
lmao can't even help yourself from admitting you're an offsite turd.
what does that even mean? I really think you should calm down
>what does that even mean
ESL spotted
your country's citizens need to be raped and beheaded, from the smallest baby to the oldest granpa. all because of your terrible shitposting.
This post should be framed.
Quintessential Korean schizobabble straight out of Ilbe.
thanks for proving me right.
Proved you're extremely butthurt alright.
>your country's citizens need to be raped and beheaded, from the smallest baby to the oldest granpa
Average "I really think you should calm down" poster lmfao
I’m gonna call you clockwork, because your wiener doesn’t.
I'm gonna call you a Black person, because trannies frick you in the ass
That analogy doesn't even work because nations and cities aren't individual people. Cities have industrial and economic infrastructure which need to be destroyed to defeat the enemy on top of that it takes manpower and resources to rebuild cities and infrastructure which further saps the nation you're fighting with and also this awful to say but civilian causalities also saps manpower and resources from a nation to.
You are comparing apples to oranges here.
Yes
You can put it simply - Americans are just complete bastards. Starting with the massacre of the natives of North America and the terror against Mexico and the annexation of their territory. Ending with the gassing of the Vietnamese and the blockade of entire cities with mass starvation in Iraq.
The average American can't into critical thinking and is so very much removed from reality that the idea of nuking two cities full of civilians doesn't really register with them as something that is just an immoral crime against humanity on its face regardless of what sort of wieneramamie excuse you use to justify it after the fact. Americans do this thing where we will attack other countries under the guise of liberating the people from oppressive governments, but then we'll lump all those oppressed civilians in with the general "enemy" so it's perfectly acceptable to kill as many of them as necessary. It's how people will say that Hitler was a totalitarian fascist dictator who was an enemy of democracy, so therefore all Germans were guilty and deserved to be punished without the faintest sense of irony. The average Japanese peasant had even less say over what their military-dominated government did than the average German did over the Nazi government. Miyazaki is absolutely right about how the average American sees foreigners that have become designated "enemies." Just look at how the average unwitting US State Department stooge here on Cinemaphile talks about Chinese or Russian people. It's ok to indiscriminately kill people from Country X as long as the idiot box says they're not actually human beings.
>full of civilians
nope full soldiers and officers of the 3rd Army of IJA. Full of workers making weapons of war. Full of Naval officers and sailors. Cry more.
If you identify with the orcs, you should probably be removed
Unironically the easiest way to spot an offsiter that doesn't belong here and never will is by how much they seethe about Japan.
No cap, I think it's just teenagers and young adults finding Cinemaphile. I wish they'd stay on /b/ like I did until I understood the site.
What a hypocrite piece of shot femdom homosexual. Many of his films have shitload of action scenes where vehicles explode, machine guns spew bullets hands are cut off, swords go clang etc
>try to find source
>it's literally an ancient 2chan thread making fun of Miyazaki for being an old fossil
This is what Americans start seethe-spamming over?
these threads are made by russians and canadians
Yes
Japaneese shoot ropes and blow nuts in e-girls so as you expect make movies like that
>book written by an Englishman adapted into a film series by a New Zealander with a European cast
>blames Americans
when is winds of winter coming out you fat frick?
This is actually part of a much longer interview from the early 2000s which was before the Hollywood entered into the woke / social justice era. It was also the time when Miyazaki was pissed off because of the Iraq war.
He was obviously thinking about the Iraq war and other conflicts in the middle east when he said this.
Kotaku only found this like a few years ago and it's been used by anti-Japanese spammers since then.
I mean, it's been obviously used for anti-Japanese propaganda by some Asians, but I wouldn't blame them because, if Americans can't take a criticism like this even though Miyazaki's criticisms are mostly about Japan and Japanese people in general, they are just exposing how the US-Japan relations are unhealthy and skewed in general after all.
He makes a good argument but terrible example, why Lord of the Rings, the EUROPEAN story about an intentionally black and white conflict with no ambiguity?
Because most people today only know LOTR from the movies, which were produced by New Line/Warner Bros in Hollywood with American actors. His reference to the "original work" in the OP quote sounds like an odd translation. I can't tell if he's saying the Tolkien novels are the same as the movies, or if he's saying that the books were more reasonable, and "in reality" is a reference to the live-action films.
But saying the Orcs mean to represent "Africans and Asians" just because they used Maori as orcs (simply because they look so different from the white cast and got heavily altered in costume design anyway), is moronic.
In no way does the story imply Asians and Africans in the antagonists, neither movie or book. Yes, harad could be considered a parallel to Africa, but it's moreso a military alliance Sauron has with them for the Oliphants, which are obviously more like a Hannibal inspiration than a "masses of Africa rolling over europe" inspiration. Ground forces aren't even focused that much on, the focus is on the spectacle of giant elephants.
And Sauron and Mordor obviously isn't meant to be Asia just because it's in the east. It shares no indication of that
Tolkien specifically makes references to the untrustworthy , half orc looking Southerners at Bree as being squinty eyed. Tolkien does have racist depictions of orcs / goblins but it's more a consequences of him trying to describe alien or ugly features of twisted creatures more so than him belonging to a specifically racist ideology. It's more an indication that he's ethnocentric with his concept of beauty which is pretty normal.
He was ethnocentric and believed race exists but is a reactionary Catholic where concepts of racial nationalism are considered heresy. I mean there's black saints like Saint Maurice ffs , and Tolkien was from South Africa and a very vocal critic of Apartheid.
As much as I love Miyazaki's work he has no place to say any of those things. Unit 731, nuff said.
What is it with Japanese boomers and making Cinemaphile seethe? First Jiro and now it's Miyazaki?
There's a lot of offsiters on Cinemaphile that don't belong. That's it really.
JPs have been making them seethe ever since manga and anime started becoming more dominant and their newsmedia started going on about muh war crimes and how Japan has to become more diverse to pay for it.
The easiest way to make one of these c**ts seethe is to point out that Japan already paid massive war reparations to those affected.
>if I defend Japan hard enough I will be considered an honorary samurai so I can go and live there and then my parents willfinally
be proud of me
Who's gonna remind this old frick about Korea?
Yeah, what about those hundreds of millions in wartime reparations that funded the entire 'miracle on the Han River' period or the 50 or so separate official apologies made by statesmen.
We want more gibs and Japan must take in american nogs or it doesn't count so there!
Mcfricking have a nice day fatass.
you sound mad, Chang
Changs, Kims and Jamals are the only people on god's green earth who seethe about Nips.
None of them belong here.
Chang, calm down
Bug people with bug mind, for the same reason every Call of Duty game since Modern Warfare 2 in Russia has undergone heavy censorship, they censored entire games and rewrote real life war crimes to be done by Americans. Makarov isn't Russian anymore he was re-written to be Ukrainian (Makarenko) and Americans were re-contextualized to be primary villains. They are literally too unintelligent and too sensetive to detach real life from art.
>New Zealand led adaptation of British fantasy book
>Americans did this
Why are Koreans so moronic?
Japan shoots and blows things up as well but sneakily and under handedly. Never forget you beady eyed demons
yeah. they're pretty barbaric
>DUDE JAPANESE WERE LIVING PEACEFULLY AND HUMANELY LIKE IN MUH FILMS UNTIL USA NUKED US!!!!
Kinda funny all the wannabe amerigroids proving him right 20 years after the fact ITT.
>
Americans circumcised their children to appease their israeli masters.
Really sad. All those guns and they're too yellow to do anything. Nation of servile cowards.
Miyazaki was right, though. He was right about anime too.
>You don’t know how you are viewed by a country like America
there's some truth here. Not in just violence either, but comedy. A lot of things expose what a person is like by what they laugh at
Seething nip still butthurt about the bomb
does this moronic old man really conflate film and reality?
No he conflates the attitude you showcase through your media with your real attitudes.
He's not really wrong either. A ton of Americans do believe those things where they'll all but celebrate civvie massacres but spent like 10+ years completely off their rocker and reshaped their whole society because a few arabs flew a plane through a few hundred wall street execs.
>Proved you're extremely butthurt alright.
i watched mononoke for the first time last night
i spent most of the time fapping to the wolf girl and missed most of the story
i regret not watching it as a child
Dumb jap.
So sick this holy than thou attitude
I will not receive a moral lecture from a country that rejects Christ
Well then America's right out.
We are more religious than Europe and 99% of Japs aren't Christian
>We are more religious
If you count satanism maybe.
Europe is gaytheist central
The only thing Americans believe in is worship of blacks and israelites.
Go to church, Black person
Church is full of blacks. They all talk about Jesus when they've raped, robbed and home invaded some poor white people too.
>he dindunuffin he wuss going to church pastor sais we need mo money fo dem programs
Eurohomosexual gaytheist
t. rapefugee "christian" murderer.
>Watch Avengers 1
>Iron man nukes boogyman aliens and become American hero
yeah his claim is spot on, and it's hilariously accurate lmao
Americans became a lot touchier about this stuff after they had to flee with their tails between their legs from Afghanistan after 20 years of achieving nothing.
Even redditors still seethe about it when it's brought up.
>Lord of the Rings is like that.
Ah yes, Lord of The Rings, written by famous American Tolkein and directed by the celebrated American Peter Jackson.
The LOTR flicks were a Hollywood production. New Line Cinema which is in Burbank California and WingNut which is partially New Zealand and partially Hollywood.
There's no use pretending on that one.
>fly countless planes into a military base
>get b***h slapped
>"tell me ry yt pepo are so viorent?"
So a military base getting attacked is enough of a casus belli to nuke two major US cities with impunity?
I'd rather be nuked than boiled alive while my grandmother and daughter are raped
I mean the latter is much more likely considering your demographic situation.
White farmers in South Africa have more than one example of that exact situation, boiling in a pot and everything.
They were violent, and the U.S. responded with violence.
What's the excuse:
>Hey that was TOO mean! We weren't THAT mean!
No, the reasoning is generally that you differentiate between civilian and military targets as was standard well before the Geneva convention was even signed.
What you're doing is more or less justifying 9/11. You know that thing you destroyed your own society over in response to.
People are people. Proximity to a job doesn't devalue them.
The Japs killed Americans. The Americans killed Japs. It was that simple.
Pearl Harbor is like kicking a dog?
>It was an analogy!
I'd recommend a better one.
>it's just a job
lol american welfare queenism seeping through even to their warhawks I see
>randomly brings up jobs
Recently out of work?
Why the frick are people mentioning 9/11 to me?
I haven't even talked about it. Why the frick are we talking about 9/11?
>can't grasp simple parallels made using his own line of argument
lol
not quoted either
Of course I get the parallels. But repeating them as if they're going to offend me is moronic.
You do seem quite mad about it.
Still not the guy who mentioned it btw.
Anger isn't the same as taking offense.
9/11 was justified because the Americans killed Muslims. The Muslims killed Americans. It was that simple.
>you kicked my dog so I'm going to blow up your house with your entire family inside
>I'm the good guy btw
Imagine some pedo imperial nip feeling self righteous about American violence
Is there any reason I should believe he said this?
No, not really. The source is some unsourced image of a 2ch shitpost.
The korean guy that keeps posting this thread even scrubbed the second quote, because it can be sourced to a joking doujin he wrote back in the 1960s.
Ah, thanks. Crazy how a thread can have 300 posts in it and basically be about nothing. I think this says a lot about the state of Cinemaphile, and maybe the internet as a whole. Anyway, I think OP should be killed.
Captcha: R4P3U
LOTR WRITTEN BY A BRITISH MAN WHO SUFFERED THROUGH HELL IN THE TRENCHES
THE FILMS WERE MADE BY A KIWI
FRICKING MOUTHBREATHING CHING CHONG CHINESE COMING HERE WITH HIS VERBAL DIARRHEA, FRICK OFF AND MURDER SOME CHINAMEN, YOU SLANT EYED ANIMAL
No matter what race you are you frick around
You find out
Miyazaki pretending to be half the man or writer Tolkien was is absolutely laughable.
Conan kills hundreds of people in future boy Conan
He should have read the novels instead; they don’t contain nearly as much action and are in many ways very similar to his movies in their pacing, atmosphere and comfiness — I actually think that it’s right up his alley; him and Tolkien seem like like-minded fellows.
He probably has. But who knows what the actual interview says since OP is reposting some honest to god Kotaku garbage without a real japanese source.
>a book written by a British author and film created by a kiwi production company
Halo was certainly propaganda to go fight in the Middle East. I'm sure a lot of media did have that as an intention. Indiana Jones was a LucasFilm franchise though, so I doubt it had too much deliberatacy