Among my most hated people are people who overanalyze the OT looking for "plotholes" created by later films. Like Obi-Wan saying he doesn't remember owning a droid before. When in the very same trilogy we see him saying things like "Your father was killed by Darth Vader." He loves playing with words like that so he can say it was true "from a certain point of view." I would say that from his point of view he probably does not see any droids as his property, he comes off as the kind of person who would treat allied droids as his friends. This is a guy who was on a first-name basis with clones. From a writing perspective there's always a way to work around OT dialogue.
stop being a nerd
and "darth" wasn't being used as a first name, it was a jibe at anakin for falling to the sith, without acknowledging his new given name that came with it.
>and "darth" wasn't being used as a first name
Yes, it was.
Short for Dartholomew
not the other guy, but even though I agree with you that it was being used as a first name initially, retroactively it doesn't matter, since it doesn't break anything to refer to someone by rank or title instead of their given name
Weird that it was never used again in rhat way. Like, when they run into Darth Maul they don't say "he was a darth."
ooooobah
Bail says he had a wife, maybe Leah remembered her adoptive mother.
On the other hand maybe Padme didnt have to die but who knows what Georg had in mind
You don't think Obi Wan would remember the Droid that saved his life? R2 had a whole ceremony with Padme and everything.
> From a writing perspective there's always a way to work around OT dialogue.
“If you make up some headcanon and start redefining words we can see that what Jesus /meant/ to say is VOTE JOE BIDEN TRANS RIGHTS NOW”
Good one OP. Hope those dicks taste great when you grab them from the medical refuse bins
can you think of NOTHING ELSE but politics
But anon, the movie is called "Star WARS." War is simply the continuation of politics in a different form.
also dicks apparently
Can't people just appreciate the poetry of it all
But we know why he would lie about Darth Vader's identity. There's no real motive for him to lie about droids. And within the context of the movie, the fact Obi-Wan hadn't owned that droid is what piques his interest and tips him off that it might be significant. Retcons happen, and even within the OT there's stuff that's a little inelegant (Leia being Luke's sister), but the prequels really do strain continuity. You don't have to "overanalyze" to notice it.
The truth is Obi Wan never owned a droid. He didn't recognize R2D2 because he never even met him. The plot hole is in the prequels. Not the OT
The OT is barely coherent within itself with Leia being retconned into a Skywalker and Luke's sister, nevermind the stupid shit the prequels introduced. Just treat them as the boomslop sci fi adventure movies that they are.
Posting anything onions wars should be a bannable offense
Didn't the OT just make shit up as it went on? Like Luke being Vader's kid wasn't even an idea in the head of the writers during ANH.
Vader went from evil magic samurai that people like Tarkan out ranked in ANH to the #2 guy in the empire.
So he went from #3 to #2, because even in the first film only Tarkin is shown to outrank him and in the next film he is shown to be the Sheevsters right hand man
>only Tarkin is shown to outrank him
It's been a while but I don't think that is ever directly stated. The guy he chokes wouldn't be so brazen if he was actually #3.
You think Tarkin was #2 in the empire??
>darth vader = dark father
>luke skywalker = light
>han solo = he's alone
>Chewbacca= he chews
>obi wan= ob-1
WOWZA NICE IDEAS LUCAS
Prequels in general not just in Star Wars are the Death of imagination. It doesn't matter how tought out your prequel story is, inevitably you're going to get into conflict with elements already stablished in the original movie, book, videogame you're giving the "Prequel Treatment".
I agree, the very existence of prequels is kind of flawed, the best prequels are probably the planet of the apes prequels, and they worked because they are basically disconnected entirely from the films they are prequelling, so ironically I think the quality of prequels is negatively correlated to how closely related they are to the original.
Odds are the original film works perfectly fine as it is(if it wasn't successful, it wouldn't get a prequel), the star wars prequels don't add substance to the original films, some people might disagree though, and that applies to every franchise that has prequels.
Then there's just the fact that people are far more interested in sequels, people want to know what happens next much more than they want to know what has happened.
In light of the following movies the scene where Obi-wan tell Luke about his father is retroactively really sinister. I know most people think Obi-wan is evasive because it’s to painful/Luke isn’t ready, but it’s really a carefully constructed deception to manipulate Luke
>your father was my best friend
>your father was a great pilot, just like you
>we were Jedi Knights together and fought the good fight, unlike your cowardly uncle
>your father was murdered by Darth Vader
>your father wanted you to have his lightsaber
>you should follow in your brave father’s footsteps and become a Jedi, not be a dirt farmer like your coward uncle
Most of that comes just from the original movies. The only thing the prequels add is that Obi-wan pulled the stuff about Owen telling them not to get involved completely out of his ass.
Well I don't really like the edgy nihilistic takes about "muh corrupt organisation" or "muh just as bad" however the Jedi even in the best of lights were a bit cultish and with a their heads up their ass. They would have still been around and yeah hindsight is 20/20 but there were so many things that they could have done but dogmatism tied their hands
I don't really see that as manipulative, just nostalgic. He clearly liked Anakin and felt a lot of fondness for him.
>The only thing the prequels add
The prequels don't really line up with what Obi-Wan states or implies about his relationship with Anakin, either. Some of it is kind of minor, but the overall image the OT paints is completely different.