Go on any popular social media with zoomers and they all love Anakin way more than Luke. Why is that?
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Anakin is more popular than Luke now
Cinemaphile is just reddit/twitter now except you get the posts hours later
ifunny is the bottom of that totem pole.
Grew up on social media which is all about how you appear, not how you are.
>Anakin
fascist zoomer chad
>Luke
boring boomer potato (also cuckold)
>fascist zoomer chad
Can zoomers become chads? I thought they were afraid to make phone calls or talk to people face to face?
so fascism is the darkside?
considering the darkside is better than the jedi then yes.
This
Luke is trash
younger generation has just seen more of anakin at this point. there is so much media that goes into his character, motivations, rise and fall, etc. that it makes him a completely nuanced character that turns him into darth vader
there is none of that for luke. all the old EU stuff is gone and memory holed so to them luke is just this meme
Disney purposefully destroyed Luke's character. They have a vendetta against him.
Unironically don't mind it. Luke being the boomer that had everything handed to him was never relatable in the first place.
How can he have had everything handed to him when they took off his hand?
Oh no, I'm sure that hurt.
Come to Belfast and find out.
What are you talking about? How did Luke have everything handed to him?
See
The vast majority fail to understand Luke the character and what role he plays in the story.
>Hey this boomer male had everything handed to him, it's boring, he is not relatable
>Let's make this new female character instead, but this time let's make her even less relatable and let's give everything that the male had to her
Absolutely...but it's not just the mishandling of his character.
We've just not seen that much of him period. Or rather his younger self.
Disney is so afraid to step on the toes of boomers or mark himself or lucas himself that they don't want to do ANYTHING with young luke
They could have easily just made him a gay little twink for brownie points but didn't. He is like the delorean or t-rex from jurassic park. A product that can't be sullied or else you completely lose all goodwill.
So instead they do what they did with the X-Wing. Make a NEW verison that they can do whatever the frick they want with. Old luke? who gives a frick if he drinks from nipples or is a complete fricking loser. As long as YOUNG luke is still untouched and a holy relic then the whole thing is safe.
>He is like the delorean or t-rex from jurassic park. A product that can't be sullied or else you completely lose all goodwill
That's why people stopped caring about Star Wars after TLJ
>TLJ Luke saves the Resistance and inspires the galaxy to unite against the First Order
NOOOOOOO DISNEY KILLED LUKE
>TROS Luke teaches Rey and prevent her from going to the dark side
NOOOOOOO DISNEY KILLED LUKE
>Mandalorian Luke saves Mando & friends
NOOOOOOO DISNEY KILLED LUKE
You tards will never be happy.
Everything in this post, including your twatter screencap, is absolute horseshit. How do you estrogen beta cucks loook at yourselves in the mirror and ever see anything but a b***h?
>apologizes to Ben
He didn't do that though. He taunted his nephew that he earlier tried to kill.
Also, weren’t we all supposed to be changing our minds about TLJ by now? Going on 7 years and it’s still dogshit.
Based.
A lot of people were hopeful when TFA first came out, but I saw the signs. They clearly had no idea what to do with it.
Not only was it essentially a remake of A New Hope, but there wasn't a single scene with Luke, Han, and Leia. That right there should have told everyone about the major disconnect with the fanbase.
>deprived him of his redheaded waifu
Fate worse then death
It's almost like Disney was never had any talented people to work on Star Wars
It was a bad movie, but it was also the best movie that Disney has made with Star Wars. It’s a conundrum, but the whole of the sequel trilogy is shit that makes no sense just to get rid of the old characters and replace them with these new bland ones. We never got to see luke’s Jedi order we never got to see Leia be a competent leader and we never saw luke and Han reunite on screen. It was all just blue balls and rehashes
Luke Vs Dark Troopers was the only time Luke felt like Luke in Disney Wars.
Because Luke was always supposed to be the audience-insert character for white boys who started off as a sheltered normalgay and gradually learned about the wider universe from his mentors and friends. He’s the archetypal “heroes journey” character and we can’t have that anymore.
and yet this farm boy overshadows all of them in the end
Yeah until the next movies showed him being an autistic moron who no one liked. Then he showed up in the Mando to try and teach that tiny plush toy how to be a Jedi.
bro i didnt even watch the prequels why would i bother with the sequels
Sequels don't exist.
>that image
I mean what is Luke supposed to do on a remote farm on a shitty backwater planet? He wanted to join the Imperial Academy or something but, Owen kept keeping him back. Meanwhile, Anakin had the opportunity to be a padawan, Padme seems to come from a background of affluence and her moronic planet gave her the opportunity for politics since it elects monarchs and senators who are teenagers, and Leia was a princess.
bluepilled about white privilege
>white privilege
Frick off. If anything it's boomer privilege.
What do you think Luke could have done? By himself learnt the Force, overthrown Jabba and declare himself King of Tatooine? That's some anime shit.
Rey would have.
The image is idiotic when you consider he's the same age after destroying the death star and 23 after defeating Sidious and Vader, effectively ending a galaxy spanning empire.
I hate Star Wars fans
Not like Luke couldn’t get some more time to shine in his own series. All they’d have to do is just make some series adapting some of the EU stuff or something like it.
Even as a kid I never liked Luke. For me it was Obi Wan and Darth Vader.
Most people don't understand luke the slightest, and keep idolizing the jedi order
This in itself is why people don't understand the prequels.
He also blew up a space station the size of a moon that was an important Imperial WMD at age 19. Cherrypicking.
>t. Lukegay
THAT'S THE FRICKING POINT, moron. IT'S HOW FAR HE COMES! IT'S A CHARACTER ARC! I AM USING CAPITALS TO REPRESENT SHOUTING BRCAUSE I AM ANGRY
How did Anakin become one of the most powerful Jedi at 19 yo? His training started too late.
>inb4 muh chosen one
Midicholrians
Talent, like a sports phenom starting later than usual but rising quickly. He also got the inside track being assigned to Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan who were already high level Jedi.
>How did Anakin become one of the most powerful Jedi at 19 yo? His training started too late.
He still trained for about 10 years
Thats enough time to hone his skills, given that he is also insanely talented
He’s literally Force Jesus.
Trained non-stop for 10 years and had multiple adventures across the galaxy in that time, found Zoma sekot if the old eu, fought gundarks at age 11, etc.
Anakin never stopped beasting around the galaxy.
>>inb4 muh chosen one
That's literally it though. Anakin is literally a living breathing Force Nexus.
Kids watched all those dumb tv shows. Those were important content to them and they love Anakin because of those. Luke's extended universe is mostly in comics from the 90s and in the movies he's too real cause he's just an undeveloped manchild who fricks his sister
>Luke holds the record for Beggar's Canyon run
>only human locals comparable to him are Biggs and Dadakin back in the day
Sad
general cynicism and loss of belief in any ideals
There are way more Anakin memes than Luke memes
Anakin is the only character in the entire saga with a meaningful arc.
and this is why homosexuals here dont understand how great ROTJ is
anakin only has a fulfilled arc because of luke's arc. what is luke's arc? learning when to trust your elders and when to listen to your own heart.
Using the Force and trusting his instincts. Luke became the quintessential paragon of what a Jedi should be. His temper is the perfect mix of Anakin and Padme. Leah has too much of Anakin's hard headed impulsiveness. She'd rather fight (or verbally spar) than compromise and solve things diplomatically. Luke, being his father's son, can also easily fly by the seat of his pants but he learns to quiet his emotions and listen through the Force. And plan. Padme's calm analytical side shining through him. Luke is a genuinely good guy wielding tremendous power and he just wants to help people. He doesn't hesitate to use violence when it's necessary but he also exhausts every option he can before resorting to it.
Old EU Luke is everything a Jedi should be. He resisted the dogmatic ways of the old order and is actively out in the galaxy helping people or defending them from the Remnant or whatever other threats might loom.
Anakin has a more emotional character arc, while Luke has less of a character arc and more of a classical hero's journey where he starts in a small town and eventually grows into a role to defeat the villain.
Anakin has the greatest arc in all of cinema, Luke is a good character, his development through the OT is well done but he really can't compare.
And what is that character arc? From episodes 1-6
innocent slave boy => arrogant rising star => tormented husband => punished knight => redeemed father
But what was Anakin's lesson after 6 episodes, trust people more?
That there was no such thing as absolute dark/light and even in his pit of despair/anger and dark side intoxication the good side and his love for his family could mean more. Honestly maximalists on both sides were proven wrong, the Emperor or Yoda alike, there is more to it than absolute good/bad. Anakin was always the "grey" character, just like Qui-Gon before him.
Grey, being of both light and dark, is true balance. Anakin brought balance by destroying both the Old Jedi and the Sith, which would lead to Luke forming a New Jedi Order that doesn’t have the bullshit of the Old Order.
So Anakin was a pawn of the Force? Some character arc
He’s Force Jesus. Jesus sacrificed himself to allow mankind to go to Heaven. Everyone just went to Hell before that. Dude went to Hell to get the good souls out so they could be sent to Heaven.
Selfish love bad (Sith disagree), selfless love good (Jedi disagree)
"I can fix him" and shipping him with Obi-Wan.
t. Knower.
have a nice day homosexual scum
Luke is lame, probably died a virgin too lmao.
Anakin is more relatable, Luke is a self insert fantasy for boomers.
Luke had the biggest potential due to the chance he could right wrongs and thread the needle between genuine goodness, avoid jedi fundamentalism and deliver the galaxy a "new hope" after ep 6.
Of course, this didn't happen, which is why sequels were imo best left untouched except by lucas, why disney failed miserably and why the magic of Luke disappeared.
The fact that he wins through a purely christian act of faith and love is not talked about enough. Its a genuinely exciting and different ending to a movie trilogy. He doesn't win through brawn or even wits. Just surrenders and fully knows he will die in pain, but this act alone causes his father to act despite himself.
An amazing end. That again, was sadly utterly ruined by what came after.
If you can't follow that thread, you do not deserve to make a sequel
>he wins through a purely christian act of faith and love
>If you can't follow that thread, you do not deserve to make a sequel
The satanist at Disney were well aware which is why they had such a hard on for destroying his character and the EU.
>beating literal evil through the power of love
Kino of the highest order
this is the cynicism i was talking about
and this is the inability to understand luke's arc
people in current year just suck
>Anakin is more relatable
>probably died a virgin
The love of his life was married to Han.
>morons don’t know how to use the “greater than” sign
Earth shattering news
He's always been more popular than Luke.
One of them never threw anything over a cliff
>reddit screencap
Zoomers are damaged
uwu b***h
If I were a 14 year old girl, I would start flowing. And you ask why Anakin is more popular.
Anakin is so emo.
Luke didn't become cool until he was already a Master t b h
Maybe it's because Luke grew up to be a bitter old loser. Anakin grew up to be a black armored, badass helmeted goon who is iconic to the franchise. Cool metallic breathing sounds and red lightsaber.
Luke could've gone down as the GOAT, an Anakin that didn't buckle under the pressure. But he essentially just proved that the Skywalker family are destined to always fail whereas the Palpatines are destined to succeed.
Plus he seduced his own togruta padawan. Who didn't want to hook up with a hot alien as a teenager?
There’s a diary entry from her in some guidebook that shows that she thought Anakin was cute, but too serious for her.
>here's the teenage alien I was tellin you about
>Hot take
zoomers have no concept of democracy
>oh man which of these 2 rich buttholes groomed since birth to run should you pick
democracy is a sham
Hahahaha wtf
It's a pretty moronic concept in the first place.
neither do most Americans
>he was right
downvote
They grew up with him and threw relatable tantrums of being a dumbass child.
>being a grown ass boomer man means being good cattle
If boomers didn't have wealth already, they'd all starve or become transgender prostitutes.
the alligator eats the greater number
Anakin is handsome
>Anakin is better looking
>increasingly autistic generations identify more with him
because they fricked Luke over with his sequel depiction, who is nothing like the original character
Disney destroyed Luke and more and more Zoomers haven’t seen the originals.
>gen X then
Omg this whiny kid is vader???????? Lucas WTF?????
>gen X now
Omg Anakin has been fleshed out extensively for 20 years but where is that for Luke??? He's the OG! WTF??????
They like Anakin because they watched Clone Wars as kids.
Incels love vader. They have poor tastes.
Women think Vader is sexy. This is Twitter we’re talking about; the majority of voters aren’t fascist “incels”; they’re women. He’s the perfect poster child for “choke me, daddy.”
I used to be active on the Star Wars forums back when I was a huge Star Wars nerd and I couldn’t go a single day without seeing a thread full of fujoshi-esque Star Wars fangirls gushing over Anakin/Vader. They didn’t even care that he was all burnt up and shit; they talked about wanting to feel the embrace of his cold, robot arms and his large, manly torso.
tl;dr women are why Anakin is more popular than Luke.
Because zoomers saw old Luke and how lame he became.
Anakin was never humiliated like Luke was. Also Mark Hamil is a gay
It's kind of like Batman and Superman. Batman is interesting. Superman is boring. One is morally grey, tormented, with some depth, the other is righteous and waltzes his way to victory.
Luke waltzes his way to victory?
Comparatively, I guess. He's still no Rey, who was the most bland, righteous, "skip straight to the finish line" character possible, and that's why she's the least liked.
I still regret it. If Rey, after killing Snoke, had taken Kylo Ren's hand and sat with him on the Dark Throne of the Sith, how exciting things could have turned out.
I would have been 100% down for a switcheroo role reversal. I thought that's what JJ was setting up too.
>all through TFA Kylo/Ben is crying about how he doesn't feel dark enough, how he keeps feeling the light pull him
>Rey is instantly good at everything and regularly taps into her emotions to strengthen her during fights, chases or anything strenuous/stressful
>cautiously optimistic that TLJ would have an ESB level twist with Kylo redeeming himself and Rey falling and becoming the Big Bad, after all STAR WARS is supposed to be about the Skywalker family
>Rey being revealed to be a Palpatine just twisted the "what could have been" knife in deeper
They had kino on their hands and they didn't even know it.
Batman is not morally grey. His torment is tired and worn out. He is not deep.
At least Superman is morally aspirational.
>One is morally grey, tormented, with some depth
>batman
>depth
yeah if you're 16
We are talking about kids primarily, and a series that was made for children and young adults
Luke ate shit the whole OT. He didn’t even beat the big bad, his dad did. But that wasn’t the point. He successfully resisted turning to the Dark Side, and was able to turn his dad back to the light.
Superman would be fine as a character but the pretentious Hollywood writers discard the idea that he is a rural farmboy who gets tossed into apocalyptic scenarios. To write him interestingly you have to value and respect fly over country. He is a guy who'd like lifted trucks,college foot ball, trucker hats and flannel that goes to the big city to stand up for his ideals as a writer.
The conflict is he is doubly a fish out of water both as a redneck and an alien and his main opponent can't be beat into submission because he has more money and influence. the best conflicts require Clark Kent the reporter to outmaneuver his enemy and not Superman.
A lot of people fail to realize that what makes superman super isn't his power set, it's his humility and humanity in spite of his powers.
I don't know why it is so hard for them, smallville worked for like 100 years because they leaned into it and movies flop because they don't.
Really, most superman stories should be set up like "you got god-like powers, good luck they aren't going to help you win this fight, until ten minutes before the story ends"
Batman is just as much of a superhuman as superman, except morons pretend that he isn't for whatever reason, maybe by the brute force of the author just saying so. The reason why batman is more popular than superman is because is much more global audience friendly, American farm boy Clark Kent is way too particular and even aged out to speak to neo-bughive mutts and thirdies.
The main reason batman is more popular is he has better villians to work off, especially psychological. Its essentially just a detective hunting down a serial killer with a gimmick. Meanwhile characters like Brainac are incredibly one note and so far removed the human experience to captivate most people.
>American farm boy Clark Kent is way too particular
I've always thought the insistence of promoting Superman as an AMERICAN hero held him back compared to likes of Batman. Then again captain america become popular worldwide for some reason so whatever.
Obviously he's gonna be an American in an American IP. It's the lifestyle that no one can relate with since young ruralites like that doesn't exist anymore.
Batman is not really sold as the detective tho, but the tormented genius who has made himself ultra competent. Basically an even bigger superhuman than superman since in his case it's now even inherited. That's why everyone is constantly jerking him off for being just a normal human in a world of gods.
*not even inherited
>It's the lifestyle that no one can relate with since young ruralites like that doesn't exist anymore.
They do though, my chemistry department at college is filled with carhart wearing redneck professors with a touch of autism
yeah and they are all hicklibs who grew up on the internet browsing reddit
>yeah and they are all hicklibs who grew up on the internet browsing reddit
Clark is a communications major who grew up on a farm, he is probably a union hick lib too if we were to be honest. He rarely is portrayed as a gritty crime reporter, you just know he is publishing Matt Talibi / Glen Greenwald type stuff
yeah back then, but today a guy like that would never end up in that position. he would turn out a total chud
Which is why he stinks
He'd either be an alienated chud or be a hicklib being held down in the political and publishing circles.
No hollywood writer has the self reflection to write a story where a hicklib union boy is held down and has his career damaged due to classim from the Urban ivory tower elite looking down on him for his origin. Imagine the agnst, you have super hearing and x-ray vision but your articles on Lex Luther pollution can't get published because he is politically connected to the left and making electric cars.
yeah but good luck selling that to capeshit kids
That's why superman, besides in smallville, hasn't worked in decades.
>he is publishing Matt Taibbi / Glen Greenwald type stuff
They're both blacklisted from basically every major media group and have resorted to self publishing on Substack. Glen Greenwald basically had to leave the country and Matt Taibbi is getting audited by the IRS every year.
Carhartt is a fashion brand for larping city dwellers now. I live in SF and half my coworkers have Carhart jackets/hats even though they are embarrassingly weak and haven't done a day of work outside in their entire lives.
>Obviously he's gonna be an American
I wasn't suggesting changing his nationality or anything like that, just not fixate on it with giant American flags flying behind him as he poses. Its incredibly corny.
>It's the lifestyle that no one can relate with since young ruralites like that doesn't exist anymore.
Again thats a problem of fixating on him being a "Kansas farm boy" rather than simply highlighting he's a kind dude that wants to live a peaceful life.
>Batman is not really sold as the detective tho
I'm talking about the dynamic between him and his villains, Batman at its core its still a "detective hunting serial killer" plot. By comparison, Superman villians like brainac or Zod just turn up and announce "IM TAKING OVER". Theres plenty of comicbook heros that are "tormented genius who has made himself ultra competent", but batman is set apart from the others through his villians.
ok but that lifestyle is inseparable from the American framing, it's all those people have and they lean on it heavily. there is no sense in writing an American farm boy without him being a die hard American, and if you're not gonna write that then you might as well just create another character.
>Batman is just as much of a superhuman as superman, except morons pretend that he isn't for whatever reason
THANK YOU
Been saying that for years.
Because Star Wars is Anakin's story instead of Luke's?
It was retconned by Lucas into being about Anakin, but it started off as being about Luke since GL didn’t know if he would get to make sequels to SW 1977.
It's stupid to say that Star Wars is only the story of a single character when there's multiple. Kinda like how George tried to say at one point that it's Leia's story.
Because they're all antisocial school shooters ruined by social media.
it is solely because zoomers think hayden christensen is hot
Because Darth Vader is cool.
Luke is my all time favorite Star Wars character.
The Last Jedi ruined Luke’s character. That’s the only reason.
When we leave off at RotJ, there’s endless possibilities for Luke’s future.
Kennedy and ruin decided to give us crotchety old hermit head up his own ass Luke, a failure that supposedly redeemed himself at the end when he died from using too much force to do absolutely nothing.
Luke would have never tried to kill his nephew. This is the guy that told the Emperor that he's not going to fight his father. It's weird how little the people at Lucasfilm understand these characters.
This.
They had no understanding whatsoever if they thought the best way to have Luke fall from grace was to attack his only nephew, the son of his best friend and sister that he broke down and fought his own father at the slightest suggestion of turning her to dark side. And he still refused to kill Vader.
This. Have been arguing with idiots claiming I didn't understand Luke when his most defining trait from the trilogy is believing everyone can be saved, even after their evil deeds. Then he just tries to murder his nephew in his sleep.
Then they always say
>No, that was Ben's side of the story
Bitch! Luke still entered his bedroom and ignited a lightsaber. Luke was ready to kill is fricking nephew and decided not to at the very last minute. The only difference between Luke's version and Kylo's is dramatics.
what character? what was there to ruin in the first place?
People like you are the reason Last Jedi was so terrible.
TALK ABOUT THE FRICKING SEQUEL TRILOGY YOU GODDAMN CHUDDDSSSS
My wife just likes Hayden so she followed him into the prequels and then never touched star wars again.
i maintain it's due the cynicism and lack of any ideals of millenials and zoomers.
it's all a fricking ego power trip whish is why anakin is relatable to them
no sense of honor or duty because
>that's for gays and losers
what a lost generation
you're moronic
anakin didn't have a misplaced sense of his worth, he really was more powerful than the jedi and by all rights he deserved his seat on the council and the rank of master
the only reason they didn't give it to him was because
>oooo spooky prophecy ooooooooo
literally the equivalent of someone not promoting you at work because the HR girl told him you're a scorpio so you might rape someone if you're put in a position of power
how did you fail to understand a children's movie?
i didn't say any of that. are you trying to tell me that anakin was not on a power trip? are you trying to tell me that vader was not on a power trip? and before you reply consider
>he really was more powerful than the jedi
that is what this fricking marvel generation craves. fricking power.
Mace Dindu didn’t promote Anakin to master because he was still too young and brash despite achieving feats like killing Dooku and rescuing Sheev.
The Jedi would have to look inside their rotten selves after Ahsoka's betrayal. Anakin is the only one left on her side. By the way, this means that he has no honor and dignity. He went against everyone to protect her. Is a dishonest person capable of this?
what are you even talking about?
Holy shit you have severe brain damage
Probably doesn't help that Mark Hamill is an insufferable turbohomosexual.
frick off friday night tights
What the frick does that mean, zoomie?
it means u should lurk moar newbie
Because Anakin is much cooler. The hatch is flat, like the brains of flat earth fans. And Anakin is a deep, tragic, diverse character. Which shows different stages of human life and human experiences.
>Why is that?
Anakin got more overall screen time thanks to the cartoons. Hayden also gave a very memorable performance, whether you loved it or hated it.
>had no choice
>born with mitoforcisosms
>could've been the greatest jedi but b***hes and prostitutes forced him to the dark side
>hqqqqh psssssshh
Disney destroyed Luke's character and completely refuse to touch him outside of complete hail-mary fanservice shit like Mando-S2, which was immediately walked back anyway.
It's not just anakin. The originals are boring as frick. Prequels were watchable and engaging.
t. don't give a shit about Star Wars
This. Most people who "hate" the prequels haven't actually watched them, it's just RLM trannies spreading FUD.
>kino
>good
>trash
>good
>trash
Only one of those I agree with is Alien > Aliens, even then its by a narrow margin
Luke was always boring
>Luke is greater than anakin
brown zoomers can't into math
The entire Lucas saga is the story of Anakin
Millenials grew up with the notion of Luke being some uberchad messiah great character much more than the movies actually depict.
Zoomers grew up with the Clone Wars and prequels, to them Anakin in Star Wars.
Boomers actually remember the OT as it came out and remember Luke being a very simple and vanilla character not worth fawning over too much. He only got recontextualized in the last decade or so because of fans hyping him up as a legend and the sequels ruining him. People liked the OT because of Vader's design, because of laser swords, because of Harrison Ford being charming and because sci-fi before that point hadn't been depicted well. Not because of Luke being a great character or whatever.
>because of Harrison Ford being charming and because sci-fi before that point hadn't been depicted well.
Terminator
Alien
Predator
All 3 of those came after SW. And it is debateable if Star Wars is even sci fi.
Also Star Wars helped give birth to modern day blockbusters
https://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/opinion/beale-star-wars/index.html
>Not because of Luke being a great character or whatever.
go to bed zoomzoom. the discussion was always luke vs han.
Luke is a great character.
You didn't get it, like the vast majority of nerds calling themselves starwars fans
"Nah bro he becomes an uberstrong badass jedi master and has tons of sex later thooo" is not an appeal. Its a failure to view the OT for what they are.
This failure to grasp the content is also why nerds fail to understand the prequel trilogy, since they build upon Luke's implicit jedi critique and of the implicit weakness of leia's republican institution (that led us to the OT, to vader and palpatine etc).
In that "third way position" of Luke at ESB and ROTJ endings, we get the impetus to make a prequel trilogy in the first place, since nerds didn't get it the first two times.
It it wasn't clear, I'm chastising
while pointing to my previous post
So you're gay for Luke, the prequels are misunderstood masterpieces and The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars. Heard it all before you boring homosexual.
Do you always come here and waste your own time with this moronic nothing posting? You might as well not exist is what I'm saying
Oh hey someone who understands some of the most obvious shit possible for a series of popcorn flicks that most still somehow manage to miss.
they hated him because he spoke the truth
Millenial who didn't know there was an EU until Shadow of the Empire came out on 64 here. Luke was my favorite character growing up. Then Dash Rendar. Then and currently Kyle Katarn.
why are prequelgays so pretentious? it'sa post-irony thing right?
Luke gey
Luke was never much of a character. I say this having grown up with Star Wars in the early 90s before the prequels came out. Always wanted to be Luke Skywalker when playing with my friends or siblings and didn't see the fascination with the new characters.
Watching it back as an adult, Luke just really doesn't have much personality. Hamill was not a great actor at the time either and his performance was wooden. Felt like he was just a placeholder character for the viewer to experience the story and the world, kind of like Harry Potter.
Probably why Lucas shifted the focus of all six films to Anakin/Vader and his redemption. He’s much more interesting.
Luke works best when paired with other characters. He doesn’t work in his own. This is why characters like Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn were important as they served as foils to Luke, enhancing his character.
care to elaborate the dynamic between Luke and those characters? I've read some EU with Mara Jade (one book only, but she doesn't cross paths with Luke).
New Jedi Order, Dark Nest, Fate of the Jedi, pretty much the 90s and Aaughts, Luke's character takes on a really great streak that is hard to deny, especially if you start with original Thrawn Duology, and move forward from there. The people you're speaking to played the Jedi Knight and Jedi Academy where Luke is always a presence, and a heroic one at that. I'd argue even with the ending of Legacy books being terrible because of what they do to Jacen, Luke's character and original trio is shown in a strong light even as the characters around them mature. It is how they should have done the movies. It is how characters play off of eachother instead of tearing them down.
Luke is the audience insert character, but he is a much better character than Harry Potter. Luke exercises will to power to resist the forces of both the Jedi and Sith to save his father's soul. He disobeyed Obi-Wan and Yoda in both ESB and ROTJ to forge his own path. Harry Potter accomplished nothing but maintaining the status quo.
>Luke
>stoic and uncorruptable
You should try watching the movies again.
ah the old wampa fighting style
that moment and the music, pure kino
I always thought this fight could have used a "round 1" of both Luke and Vader fighting skillfully (and showing how far Luke had improved since ESB) before it became emotional/psychological. Would have beat cutting back to teddybears for the 10th time.
Reminder: Ewok battle went exactly how you'd expect an Imperial Vs Teddy Bear fight would go. Until Chewbacca stole an AT-ST and turned the tide of battle.
The lego movies in general are always kino.
Dang, I guess Watto isn't a israelite after all
>the alt timeline where Anakin successfully establishes the benevolent fascist empire
>peace, justice, order, where the prior merchant republic had only ever fostered chaos and corruption
>sandpeople, charlatans, crooks evicted from Tatooine, bringing rise to a glorious sand civilization on his home planet
>he lives a long fulfilling reign and then hands the baton to his righteous son Luke
The republic failed not ONCE but TWICE according to Disneyshit
The RotS video game actually has an alternate ending that sets all of that up. Anakin likely went back for Padme, with her surviving childbirth.
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Turns out all he had to do was give credits to the dark side
Simple, Anakin is a chad and Luka is a gay manlet
How does the children of Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman grow up to look like Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher?
>manlet
Luke and Leia took after their mother’s side of the family. Pic related is Anakin with Padme’s dad.
Vader is Anakin's heartless, so who is his Nobody?
After looking up heartless/nobodies, it's his kids. A nobody is created when someone becomes heartless. a nobody is the body and soul of someone without their heart (their good/evil).
It's baby luke/leia.
also holy frick kingdom hearts is so moronic. It really should have been a 1 and done series.
Kingdom Hearts is literally Anime Hot Topic Star Wars. It’s chock full of references and homages to it.
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NOMURAAAAAA
Based broccoli heads
>muh anakin is litearlly lucifer because of half a frame
>never mind anakin becomes vader and then saves the day in ROTJ while lucifer is also being the villain forever according to israelite folklore
The painting Lucas is referencing is literally titled "The Fallen Angel" dipshit. How much clearer can it be? Anakin isn't supposed to be a 1 to 1 representation of the Lucifer myth but rather is filling that archetype.
At least, nobody cares about ben solo/kylo ren.
One of the worst character in star wars universe.
He’s just a rip off of Jacen Solo. Rey’s also a ripoff of Jaina Solo, Jacen’s twin sister.
The 9 year old kid who played Anakin in episode 1 showed more emotion than Hamill did in his entire trilogy as Luke. Maybe besides that single scene in Empire Strikes Back but that's pretty much it. Even as a kid I thought Luke was the most boring part of the movies. I mean I still liked him, I was a kid after all and he's the cool superhero character who uses the lightsaber. But strip all that away and look at the actual character and he's just plain boring.
I find it funny how even zoomers hate zoomers. This isn’t just “new generation bad.” Zoomers are just that much of a fricking failed generation. They’ve reached the same level of hatred as baby boomers
It’s really strange but I feel like they definitely crave meaningful bonds with each other like with deep male to male friendships or a girlfriend they really care about, but they simultaneously reject all of that when it’s presented to them. I feel bad for them
>When it's presented to them
What's that supposed to mean? These opportunities don't just manifest themselves. You have to bust ass to find them, then the person you meet has a 90% chance of fricking you over somehow anyways.
Acting and directing aside, Anakin just is a more compelling character, he's fallible, his descent to madness and evil is engaging and he's actually quite entertaining for this.
Luke has two modes, wide-eyed teen (kek, I know) moron and stoic uncorruptible hero, he's a decent role model but he's kinda boring when it comes to his story, the edgiest thing he ever does is kiss his sister and he didn't know she was his sister at the time.
Hayden modeled his physical and vocal performances after David Prowse and James Earl Jones respectively. Not only did he have to move like Vader did, but speak like him too. Makes sense they’re supposed to be the same guy.
That seems really stupid because old Vader was heavily crippled, I don't think moving and acting so robotically was a choice for him.
Don't get me wrong, Hayden is a great actor and I really like him as the face of Anakin, but the acting in the prequels is really hit or miss, tough I don't levy most of it at him, the directing hurt everyone.
Vader moved just fine. He just couldn’t be fast or agile, so he relied more on the Force to compensate.
Hayden does a great job at portraying an emotionally stunted and frustrated sociopath which is what Anakin was.
He also gave himself a higher voice to match up with Mark Hamill’s performance as Luke Skywalker. Even added some bits of Carrie’s Leia. Hayden actually has a deeper voice which we see in Ahsoka.
I think that's just him entering secondar puberty
He didn't do a very good job at that.
Vader has always been too cool for school. Also, humanity is inherently evil so it makes sense.
Mankind is not inherently evil. We’re mostly just buttholes.
Blacks and some asians are inherently evil, look up videos of people helping small animals, 99 out of 100 it's always a white person, sometimes a latino.
The prequels are significantly better than the OG (even with their downfalls) and the OG would do well with a reshoot to keep them more in line with the prequel style.
It’d be pretty easy to completely replace Shaw in RotJ. We only see the back of Luke’s head when we see Shaw, so it can easily be done with a stand-in for Luke with Hayden in the suit.
>The prequels are significantly better than the OG
lol
lmao
choreo, acting, writing, worldbuilding, character arcs, etc. There's very little that the OG does "better." Like the models they did were sick for the time but other than that?
Uhh probably because Anakin was always the main character and even the original trilogy is basically about Darth Vader’s redemption? Luke wasn’t the chosen one
Anakin was cooler, Luke is a fricking untrained chosen whiny b***h
Old people liked Indiana Jones
I wonder how much of this is a result of Mark Hamill being a massive homosexual on social media?
He lost his appeal to leftists as well now that being anti Zionism is the new internet trend.
Besides, Luke has never been an interesting character on his own, he becomes that only in relation to Darth Vader/Anakin.
>Anakin
>chad
GL says that Anakin is supposed to be a sad, pathetic man who threw away everything for his own selfish goals. That's why he starts off as a thug in ANH, becomes a calculating villain in ESB, and then is finally a subservient loser in ROTJ. He's powerful, but not a true hero until Luke redeemed him. That's why Luke was the better MC until Disney ruined him.
Vader was a tragic character, not a pathetic one, like Jar Jar Binks.
In the classical sense, Anakin is a tragic hero while Luke is an epic hero.
tragedy is for nobles only
Why'd Vader kill off Duncan
>a sad, pathetic man who threw away everything for his own selfish goals
Strong janny energy.
always was, empire are also the good guys
Anakin becomes DARTH VADER. Luke sucks teats.
because we grew up with Anakin?
I was more of an Obi Wan kid
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>I brought the sandpeople to justice.
Good job, Anakin. Frick these guys.
Luke has always been a cuck, i have never understood why fans (boomers & gen Xers) cream their pants over him & how pure his jedi was.
How was he a cuck, cuckbrain? I can't remember him watching someone else frick his wife.
He has the personality of a cuck, the optimizing of one.
Atleast young Luke. Old Man luke is much more grounded & kino.
>trying to astroturf for disney
you should have some shame, anon.
He's not the only one who should feel massive shame.
I agree but I think and know that people inside of Lucasfilm and their adherents are trying to astroturf for KK and Starwars, going after SWT and some other hit piece type stuff, third party media companies being paid to shill and try to manufacture what happen with prequelposting, isn't going to happen because they would need a new generation of youngyins like the prequels had and that isn't happening this time around. The one bet they needed was women and none of these spaces have more than a few percentages of lurkers as women, so no way to rebuild.
It's obvious that they don't care about destroying things for attention. People do that here all the time, and it's disgusting that they think they should have any say on anything when they're the problem.
The rights owner is going to do what they have to do to make more money, I just think they're so disconnected from their own fanbases that they're managing that they do not realize the hole they're in. Starwars shouldn't be touched for at least ten years. Even then Sequels will still exist. They never recouped their investment if you look at the sheer amount of money they put in across media, resorts and other vestiges of the property that between the 4 billion buyout, several billion on the movies, at least 2 billion more on advertising, another couple on the star cruiser, galaxy's edge and cruise stuff. They're like 15 billion in the hole right now for what they paid in and maybe got 6 or 7 back? At this point they would have been better off making nothing and just collecting dues on what was already out there.
People thought because of how much money the first, two movies made that they recouped it but seeing how far in the hole they really are.. kinda scary to think how mismanaged that company is. They basically erased nearly 100 billion from their market cap over 5 years.
>tfw I thought he meant Luke from ROTJ because I have already written off Jidsney wars mentally
If you're meaning old eu luke, then thats my bad.
>Luke has always been a cuck
I think you are confusing him with Cuck Solo.
only geriatric boomers prefer Luke over the Main Character Anakin
hot take Chuck>Sneed
Friendly reminder that WAMPA DID NOTHING WRONG AND DIDN'T DESERVE TO HAVE HIS ARM AMPUTATED
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/mark-hamill-was-horrified-how-wampa-scene-turned-empire-strikes-back-1061478/
Doesn't help that they totally emasculated Luke in anything made after 2012 with him in it. Or that his actor is an unhinged loon who once demanded his son abort his kid.
As a late 90s Zoomber who grew up with the Prequels and thought Anakin was the coolest character ever (I wanted to cut off my arm and have a cool robotic one like his), I only ever watched the OT once as a kid after I got into pirating, and that was it. Now, I consumed everything EU that was about Vader and the Sith in general, so I read a lot of Dark Horse and played TOR (I still prefer that Era all in all), but I never cared at all for the OT cast. I found Luke okay, but tame. Han, Leia, Chewbacca and all that trash never interested me. As time went on I gained a deeper appreciation for Luke, but I also kind of hate him. Mostly because Anakin is such an autistic Chad and an icon, that to see his kids being an ugly coke goblin and ugly homosexual, really soured me on the whole thing. It's like watching your hero end up a fat alcoholic with a moronic kid. It's just not fair. I know people don't consider the PT and/or the ST canon, but genuinely speaking, I only consider the PT canon in my book. I have my own headcanon for how the story goes on Post-PT, and it's better in my head.
I just genuinely cannot believe that Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were the kids of these two. It's just not possible. Natalie looks ethereal even with a shaved head. Fisher was carried by her breasts and Luke's just... a dweeb, at best. I don't like it, at all.
Same, for a while I didn't even know the OT existed, and kept expecting episode 4 to finally be made and settle the cliffhanger. Finally getting to watch the OT was a giant disappointment, I was too young to even appreciate the special effects and just viewed the CGI as completely superior.
I think its worse when you get to Adam Driver and he is effectively playing Jacen Solo who is regarded as one of the most attractive men in the EU.
I think the OT generation isn't bad if you put it comparison with the Sequels which are just fricking horrendous.
What Disney has done is the biggest bag fumble in history of entertainment.
>Luke's just... a dweeb, at best. I don't like it, at all.
That's a bit unfair. New Hope Luke is a cutie, but then his face was ruined in an accident. It's a small wonder they managed to restore his face as good as they did.
Because Leia being Lukes romantic interest was completely dropped after the first movie, so Anakin appeals to women far more.
>Because Leia being Lukes romantic interest was completely dropped after the first movie
This. Star Wars was super popular in the southern states when they had the incest angle.
It was dropped after ESB. There was supposed to be a love triangle that continued in the next several movies before Lucas just decided to wrap things up with ROTJ by making Leia into Luke's sister.
Darth Vader was the most popular character with gen X & Y too
Darth Vader is awesome. Coolest guy in Star Wars
Everyone loves Darth Vader because we all wish we could be him for a day. He's tall, wears all black, has a deep voice, does whatever he wants regardless of what other people say, and he chokes people who annoy him with his mind.
>we all wish we could be him for a day
I don-
Actually I do. I'd put a quick end to a bunch of people from a long distance.
>but the replacements would be worse
Oh well, at least some justice would be served.
I'm a Yuropoor and in my c**t nobody knew anyone else bar Darth Vader. Vader IS Star Wars, period. He's one of the most iconic characters of all time. To entertain the thought that Luke is anywhere near Vader's popularity or narrative importance, is asinine.
Well, why wouldn't he be? Anakin's films are still in the public consciousness, and they had a frickton of canon material adding to him over the past decades. The Clone Wars did an astronomical amount for building Anakin.
Meanwhile, Luke was shafted. Sure you had novels, comics and some games - but they're all stuff that fell into the background and became noncanon.
Leading up to The Force Awakens, we should have had a long running animated show about Luke post Return of the Jedi. We didn't need more shit bridging the gap between Ep 3 and 4.
Now he's faded away because of the cucked management not using him for anything.
>Leading up to The Force Awakens, we should have had a long running animated show about Luke post Return of the Jedi. We didn't need more shit bridging the gap between Ep 3 and 4.
>Now he's faded away because of the cucked management not using him for anything
The original live action tv show slated for HBO which never came to pass was meant to be this, Lukes adventures after ROTJ but amongst other issues who the hell would they have cast as Luke?
>alwayed wanted to be luke when I grow up
>tfw is anakin instead
he's just like me bros...
Because all of the side content in their era of Star Wars builds him up way further beyond the movies, and the movies are literally the story of his rise, fall, and redemption (the ones that matter anyway).
edgy hero > vanilla hero
because he is just a better character
Sequel trilogy was doomed to fail from the start because there wasn't a single visionary with a relatively cohesive idea of what the overarching narrative would be.
Say what you will about George and his bullshit and him frequently making shit up about certain things as he went along, he still had ideas of what he wanted for the overall narrative once ANH was a success.
in short it was doomed to fail because israelite israelite specifically is a hack
Pretty much. The people put in charge of it only cared about making some cookie cutter big box office garbage, nobody in charge was creative or ambitious.
In fact the only mother fricker that was ambitious was Rian, but in the completely wrong direction and in a way that retroactively fricks up its predecessor and makes it very hard to make a successor for.
>retroactively fricks up its predecessor
TFA was always shit just like everything JJ Abrams has ever made.
lost was initially ok but it was also an original ip
they literally bought it with a 3 movie outline, locuas as a consultant and a script for episode 7 by the guy who did rogue one. The republic was fighting gangsters and imperial remnants that functioned like cartel/small civil wars and Darth Talon was seducing ben Solo iirc
they just threw it out.
What we could have had…depressing.
Darth Talon was fricking hot.
>muh dik "reasoning"
As cancerous as Disney.
Luke is boring.
Anakin's story is much more interesting.
Because he is more relatable.
We all know we wouldn't be a warrior monk who saves his father's soul.
We'd all use or force powers to get sex and power like anakin
>literal school saberer is more relatable than a normalgay farm boy
Anon...
yes
Are you telling me you wouldn't chop up some kids for prime natalie?
No because Padme wouldn't have died if Anakin never betrayed the Jedi and joined the Sith in the first place. Anakin should have just been honest and asked Yoda and Mace Dindu to help him save Padme even if it meant getting kicked out of the Jedi Order for having a waifu.
Admitting that would have also ruined Padme politically. Even after her death, Anakin never disclosed their connection even though he became vastly more powerful after the fact. Her life in politics would have been over if he went to the Jedi, who despite thinking they're the clear good guys, were corrupt shits at that point.
Why would that have ruined Padma politically? She was popular among the Naboo and Anakin was seen as a hero among the Republic at large. If anything, the public would have been on their side if Anakin did get kicked out of the Order. Naboo is also portrayed as being very liberal to the point where they elected a teenage girl to be their queen and gave droids "human rights." Anakin never disclosed the connection after becoming Vader because he saw Anakin Skywalker as being a dead man.
She had a lot of political enemies because she was against the War Act and had people actively trying to assassinate her, you think they would let her seducing a younger guy, a war hero who is supposed to be celibate and the face of the Jedi War effort, in the middle of the war, and even married him? You're being naive, politically.
I agree naboo is liberal but Naboo was shown to be politically weak against outside pressure, they couldn't even stop the trade federation, imagine if the other larger worlds started pushing it around because of her shenanigans as a senator. She wasn't elected a senator, it is appointment position by the existing elected leader, sort of like a cabinet position.
Going to them would have ruined both of them.
Not just that but her entire fireside chat, the reason why she was having it is because she is trying to talk themselves out of doing something that could ruin both of their lives if anyone ever found out.
People who were close to both of them barely knew like Obi-Wan.
not corrupt, more like aloof
not enough obi wan in this thread
Because it reeks of Disney and jannies.
Hayden has remained an apolitical normie and Mark Hamill has grown into a deranged woke apologist screaming about Trump on twitter every 5 seconds
I always preferred Luke. Anakin was an annoying b***h.
Because the sequels made Luke completely pointless and outright hatable as a character.
Meanwhile Anakin is intricately developed through the originals and prequels, as well as Clone Wars. He's just a much more captivating and developed character with much more going on and a more interesting story.
>caring about the sequels
Not canon to the story written by George Lucas.
True, but it's impossible to deny that the sequels completely ruined Luke as a character in the eyes of the general public, so much so that even megacuck Hamill himself hates what they did to the character.
Anakin just has a lot more going for him without that baggage.
All six films are the story of Anakin, the chosen one. I love Luke, but his story really takes off in the expanded uni canon