Marvel literally do all fighting scenes the directors don't get a say in them look it up. It is why one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
>It is why one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
KEK, her ego was far up her ass. Did she think they wanted a female director because she was good? Marvel does the action sequences, but I guess the director has a say on what happens. They're not going to let somem random indie woman direct a fight sequence unless you want to see shit like the Obi-wan series.
What the frick are you talking about? The stuntmen have literally have made up fight scenes on the day of shooting and just do essentially improvised them working with the director
What the frick are you talking about? The stuntmen have literally have made up fight scenes on the day of shooting and just do essentially improvised them working with the director
Hasn't it been leaked years ago that Marvel has the fighting scenes already in CGI years and years before the movie was filmed or even the director has been chosen? they don't have a say
>Black Bolt forced to explode his own brain >Mr. Fantastic torn apart into noodles and head popped >Captain Carter nearly cut in half by her own shield also she was the only one who was essentially just human but kinda stronger >Professor X has his own mind overpowered >Blacktain Marvel gets killed by a statue falling on her
We see Thanos punch her counterpart with the power stone which would have a shitload of force behind it and it really just knocked her far away. A few thousand pounds falling on a someone with superpowers really shouldn't do much of anything.
>Captain Carter nearly cut in half
what do you mean with "nearly"? She was cut in half, they just didn't show you that explicitly because they couldn't show it.
Captain Marvel had to last long since she's one of the strongest characters. And she was black because she was Carol Danvers black friend. It's a sensible alternate reality swap.
Reed and Black Bolt were added in reshoots, their actors never met anyone else on set. Carter and Marvel already had their fights filmed before they shoved those two in for extra cameo money.
*Wanda murders Black Bolt* >Captain Carter with a vibranium shield does nothing >Captain Marvel who is infinitely powerful and has no weakness and can blast beams from her hands does nothing >Reed Richards who can't do SHIT at least reaches out to attack her
*Wanda murders Reed Richards* >Captain Carter with a vibranium shield does nothing >Captain Marvel who is infinitely powerful and has no weakness and can blast beams from her hands does nothing except look at Captain Carter and make the SHEEEEEEEIT face
What the frick is wrong with the people that made this movie
I genuinely don’t think all 5 actors were ever even in the same room at the same time. It’s slapped together shots done as cheaply as possible. Office guy and the black bolt actor probably never even met each other.
It was supposed to be Daniel Craig as Balder. He would've been an arrogant warrior and boast all the time, when facing Wanda he would tell his female companions to stand down so a real men can do the job. Then Wanda would have him die by being stabbed with his own sword. After Craig got Covid they put Reed and Bolt in there, but those actors never interacted with anyone else. They kept the original reactons from Captain Carter and Cap Woke tho, so yeah it looks like shit in the end.
>we need a guy to stand in front of a green screen for 2 shots of him pretending to be an butthole by himself >well impose it into the shit later >uhhh he’s got covid can’t do it
Makes sense as to why they killed Reed amd Bolt so early. It would be pretty much impossible to edit them into the completed fight scene and have them do anything useful
replacing a joke character with fricking Reed Richards and Black Bolt doesn't make any sense, specially because fans have been pushing for Fantastic Jim for years
>guys THIS is the only way we can replace daniel craig in a moronic joke sequence, surely casting literally anyone else for the 2 minute gag would be impossible with today's technology
>the actor is sick and can't do the role >oh no, I guess we should get someone else to play the character or have someone play a similar character >nah, lets just change the scene completely
????
because it was originally the movie's bruce campbell cameo. it was removed by disney because they don't care about bruce campbell and thought they could get bucks if people talked about reed and the dude from that show nobody watched in his place. craig was considered at one point though, not sure why for the reasons you said.
>it was removed by disney because they don't care about bruce campbell and thought they could get bucks if people talked about reed and the dude from that show nobody watched in his place
well they were absolutely right then
>One of the key elements of Black Bolt is that the guy went through extreme monk-like training so he can go through his entire life without making a verbal sound >Is eerily quiet even in his sleep, to the point he knows with confidence he's going to wake up not surrounded by rubble and carnage >Movie Black Bolt screams because of a little reality scare
Frick off.
What's even worse is that he remains silent for like five full seconds, through carter and black marvel's reaction shots and everything. It's not a gut scream of panic, he has time to recognise what's happened, process it, and THEN screams. Also >Scream is so destructive it implodes his head >Not strong enough to break through the thin layer of skin covering his mouth
seriously, you can see the light of the scream through the skin
I genuinely don’t think all 5 actors were ever even in the same room at the same time. It’s slapped together shots done as cheaply as possible. Office guy and the black bolt actor probably never even met each other.
I get the feeling this is what was added in reshoots by the producers
It feels so different to everything else in the movie
This movie had big reshoots, even for a Disney film. Everything with John Krasinski, and I think Black Bolt too, was added in reshoots. It's why they're all clearly on a greenscreen, and why Hayley Atwell and have complete non-reactions to their teammates' brutal deaths, because they were presumably reacting to something else. Elizabeth Olsen didn't even meet Krasinski
I guess it would've been whoever was there before Mr Fantastic, although I guess Liz Olsen must've been brought in for reshoots too. I guess they didn't meet because of covid or something, plus it's pretty clear that Krasinski must've only been on set for like a day
>this is our secret weapon against you it would be a shame if you used your reality warping powers to remove his mouth so he can't kill you wouldn't that be weird haha
>Wanda, this is Mouthscream, he can kill you with one word from his mouth. His mouth. Did you catch that? He uses his mouth as a weapon and we're going to kill you. With his mouth. Right there, see where I'm pointing. Yeah just follow my finger. Yeah. Okay so get ready. Here it comes. He's going to use his - OH NO SHE'S USING HER POWERS TO TAKE HIS MOUTH AHHHH NOW I'M DYING AHHHHHH
They didn't know she could do bullshit like that. Their universe's Wanda was much weaker. She just had red telekinesis and brainwashing.
damn if only they had experience of other universes and had a procedure to lock up and contain people from other universes immediately until they know how dangerous they are
too bad they never did that in the script to any other character huh
If she can physically make his mouth disappear, is there anything that prevents her fro turning anyone into a frog or something? What are the limits of her power
>voice can destroy everything and was shown to completely vaporize a human and leave nothing behind >can’t destroy a flap of skin covering his mouth >the rebound can destroy the back of his head though
Wat
Keep in mind this makes a bit more sense that they're not trying to kill her because they don't want to hurt their Wanda
Also in the originally they weren't worried about Wanda because Xavier had lobotomized her causing Magneto to leave (played by Eric Fassbender) but test audiences didn't like Xavier doing something like that
Be honest would you try to create a new characterization for yourself as an actor for 2 scenes where you’re a blue stretchy man? I wouldn’t do shit. I’d collect the money and 360, who gives a shit.
hey witch im going to tell you what power this guuy is going to kill you with so you are prepared and ready for it. by the way im the smartest man alive
>Wanda, this is Mouthscream, he can kill you with one word from his mouth. His mouth. Did you catch that? He uses his mouth as a weapon and we're going to kill you. With his mouth. Right there, see where I'm pointing. Yeah just follow my finger. Yeah. Okay so get ready. Here it comes. He's going to use his - OH NO SHE'S USING HER POWERS TO TAKE HIS MOUTH AHHHH NOW I'M DYING AHHHHHH
did he says something about that? I was too distracted by being fricking Jim from the office to listen to all of that exposition dump about incursions, I still don't know what the frick are those.
Why do they keep trying to make fantastic 4 a thing? All those movies have flopped. And look at the fricking costume. There is no way this will ever work. They're like so ridiculous, literally have number 4 on the chest.
marvel need to make fantastic four movie again because they are one of the most iconic group like in the comic universe they are the main character the world literally revolves around them unlike in mcu avengers are the protagonist
The problem with the FF is that the team is awful, but they have tons of great concepts and stories. The entire book is carried by Reed's autistic antics and Doom's autistic tantrums. The costume bit is easy, just go with the black & white scheme.
...Do you lack reading comprehension? I literally said that the book, FF, itself, is carried solely by Reed and Doom. And that's the problem; Sue, Ben and Johnny are utterly boring non-characters. The Lee/Kirby run is a classic that basically created Marvel and especially the cosmic side, but when your protagonists are so boring, you've got trouble.
That's what I am going with, get rid of those extra bit FF characters or make them side characters and keep Doctor Doom as a galaxy level/multiverse threat
Idk what's so interesting about Richard
Doom should theoretically be all over and not restrained to the FF, yes, as he has outgrown the book and the team. But you can't bypass his rivalry with Reed, it's like having Luthor with no Superman. As for Reed, he's an interesting enough character, especially contrasted with the rest of the FF. He's basically a chad adventurer who's also a mad scientist and is reigned in solely by having a family. Without he goes off the rails. Meanwhile Doom is a lonely autist who doesn't have companionship yet deep down longs for it, while already having gone off the rails, but his antiquitated code of living keeps him from truly ever "winning". It's a nice contrast between the two.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Idk I like the stories where he works along with others including the heroes, or has a partner
and neither sue richards nor johnny storm have anything to do with this film nor your question, anon. if you want to talk about the israeli subversion of fantastic 4 movies, make a thread about it.
They need to stop rebooting these franchises everytime they change the actors. The one they did for FF was terrible and Doom had a space suit glued to his body. They need to make the movie more adult related and give these super hero movies villains that are actually interesting and powerful. So tired of this "just wait for the big finale with this ultra super villain that will take six movies to finally show" when these movies flop after the first until they want to dig up it's corpse. Krang looks like shit and I can't take him seriously after seeing it in Loki.
>Some people still can't grasp the concept of characters in this universe being smug and overconfident versions of themselves that have yet to encounter a Wanda this powerful.
They were too concerned over Strange considering how much damage his multiverse selves have caused. Their Wanda wasn't part of the Illuminati and could've just been a civilian. They assumed Strange was the priority threat and didn't trust him.
>They assumed Strange was the priority threat
After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron? I'm going to assume you are baiting now and give up on any reasonable level of conversation.
>After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron?
They were drones. Their version of Ultron was just a fancy security system and not some global threat.
>After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron?
Where did you got that from? The Ultron on that universe was the suit of armor that Tony wanted, not James Spader.
>multiverse of madness >introduces dreamwalking so we can have characters fighting anywhere >barely utilizes the multiverses outside of a 3 minute scene
lame, give me my paintverse fight scene
I'm guessing they're going to blow their multiverse load on the next avengers, I doubt they would show everything on a Dr. Strange sequel. This was an introduction to the concept of multiverse, you have to keep in mind that the average normie watching can barely follow the plot as is so they have to ease people into the concept of multiverse version of the same characters.
The entire movie is about the multiverse. That's the exact time to blow your load.
>she did the right thing... in the end
Did YOU watch it?
Are (you) moronic? >Who cares if she killed 80% of our army and left entire worlds defenseless because she slaughtered their defenders too. She's a cute!
>She got praised for destroying all the copies of the book. Seeing as how that requires sending energy through the entire multiverse there's no reason she couldn't have sent herself through as well. Unless this chick formally announces her contract with the mouse has ended the character is most likely still alive.
You're overthinking it, this version of Wanda could be actually dead but now they have actual Mutants so they can bring her back as the daughter of Magneto
Wanda in the comics hasn't been Mag's daughter for like 15 years but I guess they just changed that again. >Trial of Magneto #5 - The event has shown that Scarlet Witch has seemingly been killed, and then resurrected, and the finale finds a way to create firm bonds between the father and daughter that make their relationship explicitly familial.
It still doesn't say that she's a mutant though.
>The entire movie is about the multiverse. That's the exact time to blow your load.
not from an economic point of view, you need a shit ton of money for cameos when you have multiverse shenaningans and only an Avengers can warrant such an inversion, plus like I already said, normies need some hand holding to grasp the concept of the multiverse so they have to ease people in.
>you need a shit ton of money for cameos
Well it's a good thing that the mouse has a shit ton of money then >normies need some hand holding to grasp the concept of the multiverse
Already done: >The Loki show both began AND ended with multiverse explainer videos complete with cartoon diagrams. >Spider-Man Far From Home hinted at multiverse even though it ended up being a copout. >The last Spidey movie dealt with the multiverse entirely.
This is at least the fourth time we're dealing with multiverse shit so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>Who cares if she killed 80% of our army and left entire worlds defenseless because she slaughtered their defenders too. She's a cute!
are YOU moronic? She died, they weren't celebrating anything, they were just trying to find some solace in the face of all this shit happening, some comforting thought, holy shit anon just stop.
She already said the character is coming back. A quote from Olsen has already been posted in this thread, jackass.
no you moron, she wants her kids back because in her mind she lost her children, her actual children, they're not pets or toys you can replace, for fricks sakes
You just sound like an angry housewife. Go iron some clothes. Not even a *(you) for you.
>Well it's a good thing that the mouse has a shit ton of money then
not right now after closing the park for so long and not for any marvel movie. >This is at least the fourth time we're dealing with multiverse shit so I don't know what you're talking about.
homie you know you're pushing it. N°1 is a show not everybody watched or gave a frick, N°2 means jack shit and N°3 is the first one and not enough because they don't travel to other universes.
>>Who cares if she killed 80% of our army and left entire worlds defenseless because she slaughtered their defenders too. She's a cute!
are YOU moronic? She died, they weren't celebrating anything, they were just trying to find some solace in the face of all this shit happening, some comforting thought, holy shit anon just stop.
>Wanda in the comics hasn't been Mag's daughter for like 15 years but I guess they just changed that again.
of Magneto #5 - The event has shown that Scarlet Witch has seemingly been killed, and then resurrected, and the finale finds a way to create firm bonds between the father and daughter that make their relationship explicitly familial. >It still doesn't say that she's a mutant though.
anon just stop
>Wanda, this is Loudmouth. Here is a list of his strengths and weaknesses. If I were to engage him in combat, my number 1 strategy would be to target his mouth because that appears to be his source of strength. Also the tuning fork on his head probably does something, it's not clear. I digress - the priority is his mouth and his ability to speak. Don't even think about mind controlling him and forcing him to use his power against us, by the way. Now, come with us quietly or he will move his mouth and kill you.
>Also Wanda, I am Jack Ryan. My superpower is that I can stretch my body as if it were made of water but my true power? Ah, my true power is my intellect which is the greatest in this universe. I can play chess with gods, travel through realities and I always, ALWAYS think at least 15 steps ahead of my -ACK
She got praised for destroying all the copies of the book. Seeing as how that requires sending energy through the entire multiverse there's no reason she couldn't have sent herself through as well. Unless this chick formally announces her contract with the mouse has ended the character is most likely still alive. >"I sign extensions every time they want me to do a movie. I just signed a very short one at the beginning, so everything's constantly just, it's always adjusting for me. No. I don't think of this either as the end."
She already confirmed the character is still alive.
>She got praised for destroying all the copies of the book. Seeing as how that requires sending energy through the entire multiverse there's no reason she couldn't have sent herself through as well. Unless this chick formally announces her contract with the mouse has ended the character is most likely still alive.
You're overthinking it, this version of Wanda could be actually dead but now they have actual Mutants so they can bring her back as the daughter of Magneto
I still feel like this is those cases of villain has some right point, but goes about it in a moronic way cause it's capeshit after all.
She could have done numerous things more with her power than just takeover body of an existing Wanda with kids.
Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda or just make copies of them?
Why not just adopt or get inseminated,
>She could have done numerous things more with her power than just takeover body of an existing Wanda with kids. >Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda or just make copies of them?
She needs power of Amerigo to do this. With the power of a black book she can send her soul to another universe and move into someones body haha
The whole movie is because she wants to kill Amerigo and take her power so she can go to a universe with her children.
Bad writing: Creating a universe where dramatic conflict happens demonstrating deep human emotions conflicting with morality.
Good writing: Creating a universe where none of that shit happens and everything is fine.
they're just shitposters, children don't want actual discussion of film, they just want to vent and lol. For an actual discussion I have no fricking clue were you could go these days.
Nah, that's contrived.
There's no way traveling across multiverses is limited to just being possible through only one character's powers.
Are these people complete morons or are they just criticising movies they haven't seen?
I know I know I did not want to be rude on Cinemaphile haha
>Also ignoring the part in the movie where she says the only reason she needs Amerigo's powers is to 'protect' her children by finding a 'cure to every solution.
>There's no way traveling across multiverses is limited to just being possible through only one character's powers.
I agree the path of lesser resistance would be to just take devices from reed richards he has invented them or she could make him invent one.
Perhaps on Scarlet Witch earth she could use a large hadron collider or make tony stark make jarvis invent one haha
There is also a timeline police that is in Loki that can move through universes but I bet this show is not canon because the end of it contradicts everything in dr strange and spiderman no way home lmao
>the end of it contradicts everything in dr strange and spiderman no way home lmao
how does it contradicts Loki? They show you at the end that multiverses just didn't exists because the big nosed Black person prevented them from existing in the first place. It was just after they killed him that the multiverses started appearing
The actual problem is that Disney took rock-solid concepts from the comics and fricked them up through laziness. Those concepts?
>time travel >alternate realities >the multiverse
See, in the comics, these things are all interrelated. Alternate realities are just the same universe(ours) along different timelines. They diverge from each other based off two factors:
Most time travel occurs back along one’s own timeline, but the instant you land in a certain time, it diverges. It is essentially no longer your timeline, rather one where you traveled back. In your own timeline, that never happened. These alternate realities(universes) are infinite in number, but they all share the same physical laws and are merely a subset of verses within the multiverse.
The true multiverse contains not only all the infinite permutations of our universe, but a host of dimensions that exist outside it, around it, and through it. These are the realms of magic, various heavens and hells(Valhalla and seven of the other nine realms, for example, the ninth, “Midgard,” being our universe. The physical laws are alien and beings from there can interact with time and space in ways that we can not.
By fricking this shirt up, they forever neutered the stories they were telling or even *can* tell, and worst of all, they did it in arrogance and laziness. By half-assing it, they fumbled the conclusion to the Infinity Gauntlet arc and hobbled everything they’ll do moving forward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everything you typed happened in Endgame and Loki. Seems like they understand it as well as you do.
>Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda
hey kids I'm your dead mom back from the grave but now I'm mindbroken and insane and corrupted by evil! LOVE ME YOU LITTLE SHITS!
Hey kids I lost you in my timeline, but I'm so glad to have found you. I will take care of you now.
The fact that she stopped at the end shows that it wasn't just mindbreak or Darkhold but her acting within her agency.
Bad writing: Creating a universe where dramatic conflict happens demonstrating deep human emotions conflicting with morality.
Good writing: Creating a universe where none of that shit happens and everything is fine.
>Bad writing: Creating a universe where dramatic conflict happens demonstrating deep human emotions conflicting with morality.
More like it's a bad writing when they kill one of the best and a character that brings multiple different possibilities off in a one note.
This wasn't a new conflict either, it was just her regressing back to Wandavision days except instead of fricking over a town she's ready to frick entire universes.
*hand waves* its all because of the book and her trauma with Vision that she completely looses it goes full on supervillain.
The real problem for me is that nobody makes an actual good argument other than "b***h YOUR KIDS DON'T EXIST THIS IS WRONG SUCK IT UP" instead of saying something more logical like what you said.
I assumed Wandavision was about her getting over her traumas, realizing that holding entire places or people hostage was wrong.
She clearly doesn't seem to care about her dead brother or Vision anymore.
they're just shitposters, children don't want actual discussion of film, they just want to vent and lol. For an actual discussion I have no fricking clue were you could go these days.
Okay child, I'm sorry I referred to a line she talked about in the movie.
>I assumed Wandavision was about her getting over her traumas, realizing that holding entire places or people hostage was wrong. >She clearly doesn't seem to care about her dead brother or Vision anymore.
yadda yadda yadda Necronomicon made her do it
Wanda is batshit. She wants the kids exactly as they were when she raised them up to that age. She wants them to already know her as their mother.
She's basically trying to recreate the same event she did in WandaVision, which is weird because in this movie she's 10x more powerful and can't pull it off so she's doing it the manual way.
no you moron, she wants her kids back because in her mind she lost her children, her actual children, they're not pets or toys you can replace, for fricks sakes
This movie follows the same Indiana Jones line of ending, where they could have probably just let Wanda get to her kids earlier and the same thing would probably happen.
>let Raimi do everything he wants >no wokeness and no gay comedy every 10 seconds >white people working on the CGI without moronic deadlines instead of pajeets
done
>the two men get mogged instantly
>the two women, one of them ULTRA black put up a decent fight
oh Raimi, how the mighty have fallen
He didn't wrote the movie you homosexual.
cope
No just put his name on it for cash
Xavier and Mordo you mean? They performed the best
Marvel literally do all fighting scenes the directors don't get a say in them look it up. It is why one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
>one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
what a female chad
>It is why one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
KEK, her ego was far up her ass. Did she think they wanted a female director because she was good? Marvel does the action sequences, but I guess the director has a say on what happens. They're not going to let somem random indie woman direct a fight sequence unless you want to see shit like the Obi-wan series.
She has more dignity than Raimi.
Who fricking cares about fight scenes
everyone in this thread
bait
powerlevel gays, sadly its most of Marvel fans
What the frick are you talking about? The stuntmen have literally have made up fight scenes on the day of shooting and just do essentially improvised them working with the director
Hasn't it been leaked years ago that Marvel has the fighting scenes already in CGI years and years before the movie was filmed or even the director has been chosen? they don't have a say
>It is why one woman director said she declined to do a Marvel movie.
the only based director in marvel history
I don't think any of them got mogged as hard as black captain marvel did.
>Black Bolt forced to explode his own brain
>Mr. Fantastic torn apart into noodles and head popped
>Captain Carter nearly cut in half by her own shield also she was the only one who was essentially just human but kinda stronger
>Professor X has his own mind overpowered
>Blacktain Marvel gets killed by a statue falling on her
We see Thanos punch her counterpart with the power stone which would have a shitload of force behind it and it really just knocked her far away. A few thousand pounds falling on a someone with superpowers really shouldn't do much of anything.
>Captain Carter nearly cut in half
what do you mean with "nearly"? She was cut in half, they just didn't show you that explicitly because they couldn't show it.
they went too easy on her, all the rest got brutal deaths, all we see of Blacktain Marlel was her hand falling down, she could still be alive.
Captain Marvel had to last long since she's one of the strongest characters. And she was black because she was Carol Danvers black friend. It's a sensible alternate reality swap.
they were reshoots
Reed and Black Bolt were added in reshoots, their actors never met anyone else on set. Carter and Marvel already had their fights filmed before they shoved those two in for extra cameo money.
Unironically should’ve been miles teller
They probably want him for another role ala Michael B Jordan
>ala
Fricking hate this face
*Wanda murders Black Bolt*
>Captain Carter with a vibranium shield does nothing
>Captain Marvel who is infinitely powerful and has no weakness and can blast beams from her hands does nothing
>Reed Richards who can't do SHIT at least reaches out to attack her
*Wanda murders Reed Richards*
>Captain Carter with a vibranium shield does nothing
>Captain Marvel who is infinitely powerful and has no weakness and can blast beams from her hands does nothing except look at Captain Carter and make the SHEEEEEEEIT face
What the frick is wrong with the people that made this movie
I genuinely don’t think all 5 actors were ever even in the same room at the same time. It’s slapped together shots done as cheaply as possible. Office guy and the black bolt actor probably never even met each other.
I'm pretty sure this has been confirmed as true.
I know Jim from the office said he never met any of the other cast during filming.
It was supposed to be Daniel Craig as Balder. He would've been an arrogant warrior and boast all the time, when facing Wanda he would tell his female companions to stand down so a real men can do the job. Then Wanda would have him die by being stabbed with his own sword. After Craig got Covid they put Reed and Bolt in there, but those actors never interacted with anyone else. They kept the original reactons from Captain Carter and Cap Woke tho, so yeah it looks like shit in the end.
That makes more sense as to why the Black person is doing the smug Black person face while her companions are getting murdered.
That explains a lot
>we need a guy to stand in front of a green screen for 2 shots of him pretending to be an butthole by himself
>well impose it into the shit later
>uhhh he’s got covid can’t do it
Fricking really?
Craig saw his opportunity to avoid this train wreck
Makes sense as to why they killed Reed amd Bolt so early. It would be pretty much impossible to edit them into the completed fight scene and have them do anything useful
replacing a joke character with fricking Reed Richards and Black Bolt doesn't make any sense, specially because fans have been pushing for Fantastic Jim for years
still doesn't explain why they thought that whole sequence would be acceptable
why are captchas 6 letter now
it's a case of Sam Raimi doing a Sam Raimi scene and no one at Disney realizing it would totally ruin the facile Marvel tone.
>guys THIS is the only way we can replace daniel craig in a moronic joke sequence, surely casting literally anyone else for the 2 minute gag would be impossible with today's technology
actually not craig, it was going to be bruce campbell's cameo but they weren't sure disney would keep it which is why they also shot the other cameo
>the actor is sick and can't do the role
>oh no, I guess we should get someone else to play the character or have someone play a similar character
>nah, lets just change the scene completely
????
yeah I call bullshit on that Balder cameo, plus nobody knows that character in the first place so there's no "holy shit" factor or anything.
Why the frick would Balder even be there?
I got fairly into the marvel comics when I was 13-14 but stopped but I never knew him.
Apparently he's a Human Torch Villain
because it was originally the movie's bruce campbell cameo. it was removed by disney because they don't care about bruce campbell and thought they could get bucks if people talked about reed and the dude from that show nobody watched in his place. craig was considered at one point though, not sure why for the reasons you said.
>it was removed by disney because they don't care about bruce campbell and thought they could get bucks if people talked about reed and the dude from that show nobody watched in his place
well they were absolutely right then
Now he's just the smartest noodle in the pasta bowl
>One of the key elements of Black Bolt is that the guy went through extreme monk-like training so he can go through his entire life without making a verbal sound
>Is eerily quiet even in his sleep, to the point he knows with confidence he's going to wake up not surrounded by rubble and carnage
>Movie Black Bolt screams because of a little reality scare
Frick off.
bitch
>alternate universe
What's even worse is that he remains silent for like five full seconds, through carter and black marvel's reaction shots and everything. It's not a gut scream of panic, he has time to recognise what's happened, process it, and THEN screams. Also
>Scream is so destructive it implodes his head
>Not strong enough to break through the thin layer of skin covering his mouth
seriously, you can see the light of the scream through the skin
What if he burps, sneezes or farts?
>Slowly folds arms
I heard it was bad but I wasn't expecting this
nothing is handled with care or respect anymore.
>Muh legacy
You probably watch YouTube channels like geeks + gamers and nerdotic
Get the frick over yourself man
You are not the victim. Man up
another white man humbled, bravo disney
[EXHALES MENACINGLY]
I get the feeling this is what was added in reshoots by the producers
It feels so different to everything else in the movie
This movie had big reshoots, even for a Disney film. Everything with John Krasinski, and I think Black Bolt too, was added in reshoots. It's why they're all clearly on a greenscreen, and why Hayley Atwell and have complete non-reactions to their teammates' brutal deaths, because they were presumably reacting to something else. Elizabeth Olsen didn't even meet Krasinski
When she said is their mother is still alive who was she talking to, if he was added post production?
I guess it would've been whoever was there before Mr Fantastic, although I guess Liz Olsen must've been brought in for reshoots too. I guess they didn't meet because of covid or something, plus it's pretty clear that Krasinski must've only been on set for like a day
they can still bring her again to re do those scenes Black person
no idea, one of the people replaced was a bigger bruce campbell cameo reportedly as Balder
>they copied Tito's MMA debut
>this is our secret weapon against you it would be a shame if you used your reality warping powers to remove his mouth so he can't kill you wouldn't that be weird haha
>OH NO you did exactly that! let me just slowly reach over and grab you so you can't do it again
They didn't know she could do bullshit like that. Their universe's Wanda was much weaker. She just had red telekinesis and brainwashing.
damn if only they had experience of other universes and had a procedure to lock up and contain people from other universes immediately until they know how dangerous they are
too bad they never did that in the script to any other character huh
they literally saw her fricking up their entire base on their monitors
If she can physically make his mouth disappear, is there anything that prevents her fro turning anyone into a frog or something? What are the limits of her power
>What are the limits of her power
Not frightening children
Preventing me from cooming in 2 seconds
>What are the limits of her power
Using those same reality warping powers against captain england or black marvel to instagib them.
she can't kill black or israelites because then she'll be cancelled
>voice can destroy everything and was shown to completely vaporize a human and leave nothing behind
>can’t destroy a flap of skin covering his mouth
>the rebound can destroy the back of his head though
Wat
lets not leave out that stupid suit. want was that made of?
>want was that made of?
CGI
Demonic horror doesn't need to make sense
this, people complaining are autists and powergays
>Wanda, Black Bolt could destroy you like he did those two towers 20 years ago with one whisper from his mouth
Jesus Christ Raimi
Keep in mind this makes a bit more sense that they're not trying to kill her because they don't want to hurt their Wanda
Also in the originally they weren't worried about Wanda because Xavier had lobotomized her causing Magneto to leave (played by Eric Fassbender) but test audiences didn't like Xavier doing something like that
>What good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?
why does he look so sad all the time
Smart people always sad
>smartest man alive
>confront a powerful magical entity straight on and have a snarky chat
good lord people pay to watch this
The point is that their arrogance makes them dumb
>new characters show up and dont take encroaching threat seriously
>immediately murdered by said threat
yawn
Marvel's "hello beautiful" moment
Why does he always have that sad, disappointed look on his face, in everything he's ever been in. It's so fricking annoying.
Be honest would you try to create a new characterization for yourself as an actor for 2 scenes where you’re a blue stretchy man? I wouldn’t do shit. I’d collect the money and 360, who gives a shit.
>Smartest Man Alive
Lives in a universe with Captain Britbonger Girl
and BLMarvel Chick
>I see what they're doing
Sam Raimi Doctor Doom por favour
Isn't the joke that everything is WACKY in the alternate universe? Red = green, clever = moron
Honestly strange should have just hooked with Wanda, no reason for them not to.
In a parallel universe, Strange hooked up with the Ancient One.
616 is the only universe where Ancient One is some baldy woman.
I don't think Wanda's powers are inherited, and even if their kid had powers. Strange would probably be the best person to help them train with it.
I think you missed my meaning when I said: Scarlet strange.
Strange being slang for vegana.
I assumed it was something like yellow fever but for redheads, but that doesn't make sense to me at all.
Why would he have issues with redheads?
Just laugh at the fricking joke and don't go digging for deeper meanings.
The joke sucked harder than your mom at a frat party, though,
He probably didn't want some Scarlet strange; especially when he let a Black person cuck him in his own time.
Are they recasting him or will they keep him on?
He looks like my coworker.
hey witch im going to tell you what power this guuy is going to kill you with so you are prepared and ready for it. by the way im the smartest man alive
>Wanda, this is Mouthscream, he can kill you with one word from his mouth. His mouth. Did you catch that? He uses his mouth as a weapon and we're going to kill you. With his mouth. Right there, see where I'm pointing. Yeah just follow my finger. Yeah. Okay so get ready. Here it comes. He's going to use his - OH NO SHE'S USING HER POWERS TO TAKE HIS MOUTH AHHHH NOW I'M DYING AHHHHHH
There are some super hero titles that just don't translate out of a kids medium
yeah like Batman.
they translate just fine, you're just not a kid anymore
>this is the smartest man alive
No adult would say this even if it was true.
>smartest man alive
>our danger is dr strange, not that hysterical witch who is wrecking havock
He's right about that one
did he says something about that? I was too distracted by being fricking Jim from the office to listen to all of that exposition dump about incursions, I still don't know what the frick are those.
This movies was really bad but the pure raimi parts were gold. Shame disney held him back.
How was it really bad
Wanda and america fricking suck also not enough multiverse shenanigans
Why does Wanda suck
vacuum mouth
because she likes wiener
The amount of newbies that haven’t experienced raimi kino makes me sad
Why do they keep trying to make fantastic 4 a thing? All those movies have flopped. And look at the fricking costume. There is no way this will ever work. They're like so ridiculous, literally have number 4 on the chest.
he looks sensible enough standing next to black bolt lol
marvel need to make fantastic four movie again because they are one of the most iconic group like in the comic universe they are the main character the world literally revolves around them unlike in mcu avengers are the protagonist
The problem with the FF is that the team is awful, but they have tons of great concepts and stories. The entire book is carried by Reed's autistic antics and Doom's autistic tantrums. The costume bit is easy, just go with the black & white scheme.
Nah Doom is best villain, needs to be more than just contained to the antagonist of FF
...Do you lack reading comprehension? I literally said that the book, FF, itself, is carried solely by Reed and Doom. And that's the problem; Sue, Ben and Johnny are utterly boring non-characters. The Lee/Kirby run is a classic that basically created Marvel and especially the cosmic side, but when your protagonists are so boring, you've got trouble.
That's what I am going with, get rid of those extra bit FF characters or make them side characters and keep Doctor Doom as a galaxy level/multiverse threat
Idk what's so interesting about Richard
Doom should theoretically be all over and not restrained to the FF, yes, as he has outgrown the book and the team. But you can't bypass his rivalry with Reed, it's like having Luthor with no Superman. As for Reed, he's an interesting enough character, especially contrasted with the rest of the FF. He's basically a chad adventurer who's also a mad scientist and is reigned in solely by having a family. Without he goes off the rails. Meanwhile Doom is a lonely autist who doesn't have companionship yet deep down longs for it, while already having gone off the rails, but his antiquitated code of living keeps him from truly ever "winning". It's a nice contrast between the two.
Idk I like the stories where he works along with others including the heroes, or has a partner
>They're like so ridiculous,
like, totally gurl
they need a replacement for Tony Stark as science man, Strange only covers the arrogant butthole part.
Didn't they killed them off for good just in that scene.
They are jobbers.
Why are Sue Richards and Jonny Storm never the same race in these films?
neither sue richards nor johnny storm appear in this film, anon.
There were 3 fantastic four films made before this.
and neither sue richards nor johnny storm have anything to do with this film nor your question, anon. if you want to talk about the israeli subversion of fantastic 4 movies, make a thread about it.
Just admit you were wrong moron instead of going on some moronic rant.
>seething, coping, and projecting this hard about two characters who weren't even in the movie
holy shit anon lmao
>this upset that he didn't know they already made 3 F4 movies
Captcha related
>xir is so anally devestated that it keeps bringing up off topic movies and screeching into the void about them
lmao.
They need to stop rebooting these franchises everytime they change the actors. The one they did for FF was terrible and Doom had a space suit glued to his body. They need to make the movie more adult related and give these super hero movies villains that are actually interesting and powerful. So tired of this "just wait for the big finale with this ultra super villain that will take six movies to finally show" when these movies flop after the first until they want to dig up it's corpse. Krang looks like shit and I can't take him seriously after seeing it in Loki.
Is Fantastic Four cursed or something? Two flopped movie and it still made Reed look bad in MCU.
>Some people still can't grasp the concept of characters in this universe being smug and overconfident versions of themselves that have yet to encounter a Wanda this powerful.
Fortunately the Illuminati have more experience than most when dealing with individuals that are contaminated by the darkhold.
They were too concerned over Strange considering how much damage his multiverse selves have caused. Their Wanda wasn't part of the Illuminati and could've just been a civilian. They assumed Strange was the priority threat and didn't trust him.
>they can only focus on one person and one task at a time
Things must move pretty slow around there
>They assumed Strange was the priority threat
After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron? I'm going to assume you are baiting now and give up on any reasonable level of conversation.
>After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron?
They were drones. Their version of Ultron was just a fancy security system and not some global threat.
>After Wanda from their universe took out Ultron?
Where did you got that from? The Ultron on that universe was the suit of armor that Tony wanted, not James Spader.
I just wish strange and wanda would have had a multiverse dream hopping fight or some shit
>Some people still can't grasp that horror movies subvert logic and predictable outcomes because existential uncertainty is the core aspect of horror.
>Dreams are not dreams but a view across the multiverse into an alternate version of you
Aren't there several dream sequences in the MCU though?
>multiverse of madness
>introduces dreamwalking so we can have characters fighting anywhere
>barely utilizes the multiverses outside of a 3 minute scene
lame, give me my paintverse fight scene
what are you talking about? they had a universe where cars go on a red light and stop on green! fricking nuts!!!
That's just China.
I'm guessing they're going to blow their multiverse load on the next avengers, I doubt they would show everything on a Dr. Strange sequel. This was an introduction to the concept of multiverse, you have to keep in mind that the average normie watching can barely follow the plot as is so they have to ease people into the concept of multiverse version of the same characters.
The entire movie is about the multiverse. That's the exact time to blow your load.
Are (you) moronic?
>Who cares if she killed 80% of our army and left entire worlds defenseless because she slaughtered their defenders too. She's a cute!
Wanda in the comics hasn't been Mag's daughter for like 15 years but I guess they just changed that again.
>Trial of Magneto #5 - The event has shown that Scarlet Witch has seemingly been killed, and then resurrected, and the finale finds a way to create firm bonds between the father and daughter that make their relationship explicitly familial.
It still doesn't say that she's a mutant though.
>The entire movie is about the multiverse. That's the exact time to blow your load.
not from an economic point of view, you need a shit ton of money for cameos when you have multiverse shenaningans and only an Avengers can warrant such an inversion, plus like I already said, normies need some hand holding to grasp the concept of the multiverse so they have to ease people in.
>you need a shit ton of money for cameos
Well it's a good thing that the mouse has a shit ton of money then
>normies need some hand holding to grasp the concept of the multiverse
Already done:
>The Loki show both began AND ended with multiverse explainer videos complete with cartoon diagrams.
>Spider-Man Far From Home hinted at multiverse even though it ended up being a copout.
>The last Spidey movie dealt with the multiverse entirely.
This is at least the fourth time we're dealing with multiverse shit so I don't know what you're talking about.
She already said the character is coming back. A quote from Olsen has already been posted in this thread, jackass.
You just sound like an angry housewife. Go iron some clothes. Not even a *(you) for you.
>Well it's a good thing that the mouse has a shit ton of money then
not right now after closing the park for so long and not for any marvel movie.
>This is at least the fourth time we're dealing with multiverse shit so I don't know what you're talking about.
homie you know you're pushing it. N°1 is a show not everybody watched or gave a frick, N°2 means jack shit and N°3 is the first one and not enough because they don't travel to other universes.
>>Who cares if she killed 80% of our army and left entire worlds defenseless because she slaughtered their defenders too. She's a cute!
are YOU moronic? She died, they weren't celebrating anything, they were just trying to find some solace in the face of all this shit happening, some comforting thought, holy shit anon just stop.
comicgays are dumb just ignore him
>Wanda in the comics hasn't been Mag's daughter for like 15 years but I guess they just changed that again.
of Magneto #5 - The event has shown that Scarlet Witch has seemingly been killed, and then resurrected, and the finale finds a way to create firm bonds between the father and daughter that make their relationship explicitly familial.
>It still doesn't say that she's a mutant though.
anon just stop
>Wanda, this is Loudmouth. Here is a list of his strengths and weaknesses. If I were to engage him in combat, my number 1 strategy would be to target his mouth because that appears to be his source of strength. Also the tuning fork on his head probably does something, it's not clear. I digress - the priority is his mouth and his ability to speak. Don't even think about mind controlling him and forcing him to use his power against us, by the way. Now, come with us quietly or he will move his mouth and kill you.
>Also Wanda, I am Jack Ryan. My superpower is that I can stretch my body as if it were made of water but my true power? Ah, my true power is my intellect which is the greatest in this universe. I can play chess with gods, travel through realities and I always, ALWAYS think at least 15 steps ahead of my -ACK
>it's another Wanda gets a free pass after murdering innocent people episode
Isn't she [Spoiler]dead[/Spoiler]?
No. They were praising her heroic efforts at the end. Did you watch it?
Pretty much implied she killed herself.
Implied doesn't mean anything.
>she did the right thing... in the end
Did YOU watch it?
one of hte rules of drama is if it does not show you the body the character is not dead
>>it's another Wanda gets a free pass after murdering innocent people episode
free pass = collapsing a temple on yourself
She got praised for destroying all the copies of the book. Seeing as how that requires sending energy through the entire multiverse there's no reason she couldn't have sent herself through as well. Unless this chick formally announces her contract with the mouse has ended the character is most likely still alive.
>"I sign extensions every time they want me to do a movie. I just signed a very short one at the beginning, so everything's constantly just, it's always adjusting for me. No. I don't think of this either as the end."
She already confirmed the character is still alive.
>She got praised for destroying all the copies of the book. Seeing as how that requires sending energy through the entire multiverse there's no reason she couldn't have sent herself through as well. Unless this chick formally announces her contract with the mouse has ended the character is most likely still alive.
You're overthinking it, this version of Wanda could be actually dead but now they have actual Mutants so they can bring her back as the daughter of Magneto
This is a 10/10 in the US of A..
That isn't even a 10 in a Harlem KFC
Thats a trannie in harlem, boi.
>They were drones. Their version of Ultron was just a fancy security system and not some global threat.
What they don’t tell you is that this is the Reed from moron Earth. His finest invention there was the Amazing Mouli™.
I still feel like this is those cases of villain has some right point, but goes about it in a moronic way cause it's capeshit after all.
She could have done numerous things more with her power than just takeover body of an existing Wanda with kids.
Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda or just make copies of them?
Why not just adopt or get inseminated,
>She could have done numerous things more with her power than just takeover body of an existing Wanda with kids.
>Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda or just make copies of them?
She needs power of Amerigo to do this. With the power of a black book she can send her soul to another universe and move into someones body haha
The whole movie is because she wants to kill Amerigo and take her power so she can go to a universe with her children.
Are these people complete morons or are they just criticising movies they haven't seen?
I know I know I did not want to be rude on Cinemaphile haha
Accepting shit writing doesn't make u smarter, bumboy
I've accepted it too, just wish it could have been better.
Bad writing: Creating a universe where dramatic conflict happens demonstrating deep human emotions conflicting with morality.
Good writing: Creating a universe where none of that shit happens and everything is fine.
they're just shitposters, children don't want actual discussion of film, they just want to vent and lol. For an actual discussion I have no fricking clue were you could go these days.
Nah, that's contrived.
There's no way traveling across multiverses is limited to just being possible through only one character's powers.
>Also ignoring the part in the movie where she says the only reason she needs Amerigo's powers is to 'protect' her children by finding a 'cure to every solution.
>There's no way traveling across multiverses is limited to just being possible through only one character's powers.
I agree the path of lesser resistance would be to just take devices from reed richards he has invented them or she could make him invent one.
Perhaps on Scarlet Witch earth she could use a large hadron collider or make tony stark make jarvis invent one haha
There is also a timeline police that is in Loki that can move through universes but I bet this show is not canon because the end of it contradicts everything in dr strange and spiderman no way home lmao
>the end of it contradicts everything in dr strange and spiderman no way home lmao
how does it contradicts Loki? They show you at the end that multiverses just didn't exists because the big nosed Black person prevented them from existing in the first place. It was just after they killed him that the multiverses started appearing
The actual problem is that Disney took rock-solid concepts from the comics and fricked them up through laziness. Those concepts?
>time travel
>alternate realities
>the multiverse
See, in the comics, these things are all interrelated. Alternate realities are just the same universe(ours) along different timelines. They diverge from each other based off two factors:
>Random chance, coin-flip decisions
>time traveling interference
Most time travel occurs back along one’s own timeline, but the instant you land in a certain time, it diverges. It is essentially no longer your timeline, rather one where you traveled back. In your own timeline, that never happened. These alternate realities(universes) are infinite in number, but they all share the same physical laws and are merely a subset of verses within the multiverse.
The true multiverse contains not only all the infinite permutations of our universe, but a host of dimensions that exist outside it, around it, and through it. These are the realms of magic, various heavens and hells(Valhalla and seven of the other nine realms, for example, the ninth, “Midgard,” being our universe. The physical laws are alien and beings from there can interact with time and space in ways that we can not.
By fricking this shirt up, they forever neutered the stories they were telling or even *can* tell, and worst of all, they did it in arrogance and laziness. By half-assing it, they fumbled the conclusion to the Infinity Gauntlet arc and hobbled everything they’ll do moving forward.
Everything you typed happened in Endgame and Loki. Seems like they understand it as well as you do.
>Why not just go to an universe where her kids exist but no Wanda
hey kids I'm your dead mom back from the grave but now I'm mindbroken and insane and corrupted by evil! LOVE ME YOU LITTLE SHITS!
Hey kids I lost you in my timeline, but I'm so glad to have found you. I will take care of you now.
The fact that she stopped at the end shows that it wasn't just mindbreak or Darkhold but her acting within her agency.
>Bad writing: Creating a universe where dramatic conflict happens demonstrating deep human emotions conflicting with morality.
More like it's a bad writing when they kill one of the best and a character that brings multiple different possibilities off in a one note.
This wasn't a new conflict either, it was just her regressing back to Wandavision days except instead of fricking over a town she's ready to frick entire universes.
*hand waves* its all because of the book and her trauma with Vision that she completely looses it goes full on supervillain.
The real problem for me is that nobody makes an actual good argument other than "b***h YOUR KIDS DON'T EXIST THIS IS WRONG SUCK IT UP" instead of saying something more logical like what you said.
I assumed Wandavision was about her getting over her traumas, realizing that holding entire places or people hostage was wrong.
She clearly doesn't seem to care about her dead brother or Vision anymore.
Okay child, I'm sorry I referred to a line she talked about in the movie.
>I assumed Wandavision was about her getting over her traumas, realizing that holding entire places or people hostage was wrong.
>She clearly doesn't seem to care about her dead brother or Vision anymore.
yadda yadda yadda Necronomicon made her do it
The kids do exist
Wanda is batshit. She wants the kids exactly as they were when she raised them up to that age. She wants them to already know her as their mother.
She's basically trying to recreate the same event she did in WandaVision, which is weird because in this movie she's 10x more powerful and can't pull it off so she's doing it the manual way.
It just felt lazy to me to have a bigger retread of WandaVision and her lacking agency until the last minute and then she decides to kill herself
no you moron, she wants her kids back because in her mind she lost her children, her actual children, they're not pets or toys you can replace, for fricks sakes
>smartest man alive
>a pollack
GUFFAW
I loled when he dies and the negress makes a face like "sheeeeiiit here we go again, them white boys got capped mane"
Weren't her kids entirely fictional? Why does she care so much? Why not just let some chad frick her so she can have 2 real kids?
because life doesn't work like that
go outside incel
>have the technology to nullify magic (used to imprison Strange)
>don't have this technology on hand when facing a witch
Are you forgetting that entire scene where Mordo had to drug Strange beforehand?
This movie follows the same Indiana Jones line of ending, where they could have probably just let Wanda get to her kids earlier and the same thing would probably happen.
This movie was really missing Magneto thrown in somewhere
Doctor Strange should have appeared in Wandavision
How would Cinemaphile fix this movie?
>let Raimi do everything he wants
>no wokeness and no gay comedy every 10 seconds
>white people working on the CGI without moronic deadlines instead of pajeets
done
the movie is pretty much this already, I was surprised by how little jokes were in the movie
Wandavision needed to end differently
>Did your boyfriend make you that suit?