> “And, yes, yes, of course, I’ve been working on WINDS OF WINTER. Almost every day. Writing, rewriting, editing, writing some more. Making steady progress. Not as fast as I would like.. .certainly not as fast as YOU would like… but progress nonetheless. It keeps me out of trouble.”
Is it coming out soon?
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Nobody cares about this fatass's constant kvetching. Either placate people with another sample chapter or shut the frick up, you smug homosexual.
The issue with Georgie is he thinks that people being interested in tangentially related work to ASOIAF = separate fanbase that he also must appease with equal effort. That was his exact reasoning for spending all that time editing Wild Cards or being an exec producer on House of the Dragon. (And if you think that editing or exec producing doesn't require much time or effort, you're an idiot - GRRM is the type of person who would make a simple job needlessly time consuming.)
He just doesn't understand that people are consuming shit like Wild Cards and HoD more because there's no more ASOIAF. If he released WoW, the next Wild Cards, and fricking three HoD books all on the same day, no one would give a shit about anything except WoW and people would be hammering at his door for A Dream of Spring long before they started picking up HoD/WC.
He's got no more sample chapters left. They were all leftovers from Dance.
There is no way he actually writes anything, or at least not consistently. Even the slowest, most meticulous writer would have finished by now if he was writing every day.
He’s been churning out tons of content. Look at his bibliography and filmography. He’s contributed screenwriting to a bunch of shows and written a bunch of books.
The problem is it’s not the books we all want.
I think he ran out of steam and motivation after seeing the reaction to the end of Game of Thrones.
He will die and we will never see the end. Some other writer will come in and finish it for him.
>we all want
Tell that to the tens of thousands of people complaining about the book not coming out.
You’re in the small minority of people if you don’t want to see this book released.
>tens of thousands constitutes a majority
I see your literary tastes are commensurate with your grasp of mathematics.
I’m only counting the posts I’ve seen, you fricking idiot. Obviously there are more.
It’s my anecdotal statement to support there is organic interest in seeing this end.
It’s not like other series where everyone lost interest.
meds & BBC
>Some other writer will come in and finish it for him.
Nah, he's ordered all the notes and anything he has half-written be burnt after he dies. It's in his will apparently.
No it’s not
>I think he ran out of steam and motivation after seeing the reaction to the end of Game of Thrones.
The last book was published around the time the show premiered. I think he ran out of motivation around then, not when it concluded.
I think the plot just got too convoluted by then. He's mentioned before that he writes a lot of stuff as he goes with some vague ideas in mind for the overarching plot so now he has about a dozen plotlines that he needs to move forward and bring to a satisfying conclusion that is not simply just killing all of them off at random intervals
>he ran out of motivation
more like his bank account exploded and he didn't give a shit anymore.
why break your brain writing yourself out of a corner when you can sell substandard fanfiction instead?
The thing is ANY ending he writes would get a much better reaction. The last season was so slapped together, tying up loose ends left and right with braindead solutions. Like, all he has to do is write an ending with half the skill he has shown with the rest of the series. People will just be happy to forget the HBO ending.
JUST FINISH THE FRICKING BOOK YOU FAT SHIT
what'd the peach mean bros?
Peach = Kinship imo
Renly was teasing Stannis about how much people loved him, he had a ripe peach.
Compared to Stannis who is vexed and insulted by the idea of Kinship and relying on people. Constantly thinking about how much people liked Renly compared to him.
Stannis is one of my favourite characters cause his arc is one of regret for his big actions so he changes how he does his big sweeping moves. Yet he never adjusts the small details of his character, he's still a prick that no one likes and it'll be his downfall when he cannot rally the North even after liberating them.
Holy frick that pic. Haven’t laughed that hard in awhile.
>peach mom was a year ago
Time is a flat circle...
>He’s been churning out tons of content. Look at his bibliography and filmography.
Let’s look
>The Wit & Wisdom of Tyrion Lannister 2013
Quote collection
>Princess and the Queen, the rogue prince, sons of the dragon
Abridged sections from an early draft of fire and blood
>fire and blood
Mostly written in 2012, Jaehaerys section written circa 2016-2017
>rise of the dragon
Coffee table version of fire and blood
>nightflyers, house of the dragon, dark winds
Only “executive producer”
>He will die and we will never see the end. Some other writer will come in and finish it for him.
He specifically refused to name a literary heir because he doesn't want any other writer using ASOIAF let alone finishing the main series. He has said that if he dies the series is over.
It's been 12 years. If he wrote 1 fricking page every 2 days he'd have more than 2,000 pages finished. I don't want to fricking hear it.
You're a fat frick and a quitter, George.
You think Winds is never coming out?
I got some winds for you *farts in your face* How'd you like that winter? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He writes a ton, just not for Winds. It’s his TELEVISION AND FILM adventures sucking up all his time. He’s tried to get five GOT shows made. House of the Dragon is running, George is advising. Dunk&Egg show is confirmed, George is advising and committed to write 5 more stories. An animated show might come out, possibly.
BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE
There was the Nightflyers show and then the shows of authors George admires like Dark Winds (now on season 2) and the Zelazny show he’s been trying to make for years now.
Please understand that George always wanted to be working with TELEVISION AND FILM not writing books. He got his dream. He’s rich as frick. His plans for the books have gone to shit repeatedly and he doesn’t know how to end it. Motivation is close to zero to work on it.
Thinking he doesn’t like to work or write is wrong. He’s just not that passionate about the project you care about.
Moby Dick was written in two years, so GRRM is writing a novel six times better than Moby Dick.
Is moby dick good? I started it but feels like such a slog so far. Only on chapter 13
I could never finish it and I could finish stuff as ponderous as The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
nah man. the prose is good, some very clever and vivid writing.
but the book is not good at all
>a Gurm fan speaks
Yes, dont let GIDF tell you otherwise
It's the most metal book I've ever read.
>It's the most metal book I've ever read.
QRD?
there's usually a reason if people still read a book that came out 200 years ago
That aint saying much because boomers shill shakesphere and payed money to see trains in theaters
i pity you
Your generation would rather watch the israelites alien film, you homosexuals should get your wheelchairs slashed
Your generation was a mistake.
bruh i've had that book for 20 years and never gotten past where they're getting on the boat.
I'm on chapter 27 now, and I'm enjoying it. When I was in my teens I probably couldn't have made myself continue with it, but in my mid 20s it feels sustainable to read 15 pages a night and finish it.
Call me Ishmael.
It's your favorite author's favorite book. And that man's name was Cormac McCarthy.
SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE WHALE
BREAK YOUR BACKS AND CRACK YOUR OARS MEN
IF YOU WISH TO PREVAIL
THIS IVORY LEG IS WHAT PROPELS ME
HARPOONS THRUST IN THE SKY
AIM DIRECTLY FOR HIS CROOKED BROW
AND LOOK HIM STRAIGHT IN THE EYE
WHITE WHALE, HOLY GRAIL
WHITE WHALE, HOLY GRAIL
Sarcasm aside it's the great american novel. Only other ones that come close imo are The Last of the Mohicans and As I Lay Dying. I'd also throw Catcher in the Rye in as an honorable mention.
Last of the mohicans sucks. Are you trolling?
The Great American Novel is The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and it isn't even fricking close. Every American boy has some Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer in them and similar tales of wondrous adventure had in their youth, however much they may be embellished. Couldn't give a frick about some WHALER chasing WHALES as thought that isn't the most microscopically niche microcosm of American life or culture.
If you are curious about sailor life and can tolerate weird tangets, it is a very fun read.
As an example of tangets the author may write ten pages in a row about the colour white or various religious figures associated with whales, or descriptions of the different whale species.
Moby Dick is shit, yes I've read it
does the guy frick the whale in the end? i need to know ty
Melville was literally touched by God while writing Moby Dick, it's not the same.
The book will never be finished. Why would he want to? So he can lift another couple hundred thousand from ubernerds? GoT is like covid. Nobody would shut the frick up about it and now that it’s long dead everyone just wants to forget it existed.
>actually want to read the books
>unfinished
>delayed for years
>author is old and fat
>reminded of kentaro miura
I'm not falling for that one again, if he finishes the books then I'll start reading.
Probably a smart move. The best to hope for is that he finishes the next book, but there's no hope in hell that the series ever gets finished.
I read the books (that were out at the time) what feels like 10 years before the show came out, read them again before season one, again when DoD came out and have since had enough time pass to where I have no opinion on them anymore.
Honestly, half the fun of ASOIAF these days is pondering on how it could end and losing yourself in all the theories, both logical and utterly insane, as well as exploring the setting's weirder points, like the stuff to the far east, its ancient history and a whole host of other shit. Regardless of what GRRM writes, it will ultimately disappoint the majority of people because the readership has had so much time to ponder plot threads that nothing will be a surprise, only a confirmation that someone's theory is correct.
Besides, a lot of the fun stuff that made the setting so cool is going to be forgotten about or ultimately sidelined in favour of wrapping up the main plot. We'll never get our Euron Greyjoy eldritch apocalypse.
I agree with you, especially since I came out with a few theories on my own, but there's only so much effort and intrigue you can give to a series, before you just drift off from it entirely, like I have.
Eh, he could definitely come up with something completely unexpected. It would most likely be completely shit in that case though.
There were hundreds of theories from good to decent to bad to batshit about where Disney would take their new Star Wars trilogy. Not a single one of them was right, because even Disney didn't have a plan and just winged it.
I'm sure at least one person somewhere predicted they would just remake the OT, but that certainly wasn't a popular prediction.
more or less
>Euron Greyjoy eldritch apocalypse.
qrd? Never heard of this one.
You are in for a threat: https://poorquentyn.com/2019/10/31/eldritch-apocalypse/
From another post:
>The eldritch apocalypse (or as Moqorro calls it, the “sea of blood”) is the end of the world, constructed as the skin-crawling magic-overload rise to power of Euron Greyjoy, culminating in him blowing the Horn of Joramun, bringing down the Wall, and letting the Others in. The basic idea is that the magical-hubris Chekov’s Guns GRRM set up in Oldtown in AFFC are essentially raw materials for what Euron wants most, his new Valyria…but not the Empire at its height. Rather, Euron is bringing to Westeros the Valyria he knows, the Valyria of the Doom.
>What magical-hubris Chekov’s Guns, ya might ask? When you put together the Hightowers messing with ancient magic, the Deep Ones labyrinth at the base of their tower, the glass candles, The Death of Dragons, and the Faceless Man seeking it, when you then toss in Euron’s invasion of the city (which we see beginning in Sam V AFFC) and the Horn of Joramun (which Sam in that same chapter conveniently brings into Euron’s orbit), you’ve got an unmistakable recipe for [...]
>Dragonbinder and the Horn of Winter: Euron will use the former horn (via Victarion) to hijack Fire, and the latter (directly, at the climax of TWOW) to hijack Ice. “I say we take it all!” The Crow’s Eye will loom over the final books as both dragonrider and Night’s King, and the terrifying thing is he sees no contradiction there whatsoever. That’s his nature: the postmodern supervillain, conqueror of all ideologies and wells of power. So much so that I think GRRM’s going to have the Drowned God rise (having laid the groundwork with Patchface, Storm’s End, the squishers, and above all WOIAF’s black oily stones) just so Euron can demonstrate his metaphysical ambitions and contempt for his people by killing their god…and thereby replacing him. Or as show!Euron put it: “I am the Drowned God.”
This theory makes perfect sense. I do believe Euron will be the one to bring down the Wall in the books.
Euron bringing down the wall somehow is fine but I hope he's another red herring as he's kind of a boring villain imo
He'll be conveniently killed off and forgotten. This is bullshit. You nerds should know better by now.
the less grand take is it seems like he might be summoning the kraken (it was spotted apparently) via a blood orgy (notably with priests) to smash the enemy fleet. wouldn't it be interesting if the kraken has been sitting eternally at the bottom of the westerosi-esso crossing eating drowned corpses often with first men/valyrian magic infused blood accumulating in it like ddt?
this is true which is why the series should've just focused more on resolving the political plotlines and left the more fantastical elements alone. No good way to resolve the Others plotline and it's better left up to the imagination
Right? Miura had 30+ years to finish Berserk, and he just dicked around until he was dead. Now we MIGHT get an ending over the next few years? Thanks, dude.
The TV show let him know that his ending would be hated
He probably went back and rewrote it
How close did the TV show copy his intended ending do you think?
100% with Bran the broken, or less?
It definitely was supposed to end with Bran the Broken, there’s no way D+D came up with something like that on their own. I can also see how it might make sense with proper development.
There's zero chance Bran becomes king in GRRM's books. It makes no sense. He literally cannot sire an heir, cannot demand anyone's loyalty with strength or love, and he has zero claim.
Dany burning the city is 100% going to happen though. It'll be written better, certainly.
Bran becoming king is exactly the type of dumb shit that GRRM would pull to 'shock' the fans
>can’t sire an heir
Paralyzed people can still have sex. There’s no evidence he’s lost his ability to procreate.
this plus he's the 3 eyed raven now. he can probably make women pregnant in their sleep, or grow a literal wood and inseminate them with his treesap
where's the cripple blowjob scene then? no prostitute sucking Bran to completion and swallowing his cum with a 'M'Lord my belly is full now' with a smile because it never fricking could happen
how does a wheelchair come out of a vegana? it can't.
bran in the books is most likely going to be used as a tool by the others. mel even has a vision in the flames of bloodraven and bran and she immediately thinks they are allied with the great other. bran ending up as some type of "king" wouldn't surprise me, because he's not going to be bran by the time that happens, he's going to be some undead entity like coldhands
its the same thing with dany burning down kings landing. thats probably going to happen but shes not going to go crazy and randomly decide to do that. she will probably burn it down WITH jon because it is being overrun with the army of the dead
did you miss the part where mel is outed as a fricking moron? wikigay? dany going nuts has already been predicted for ages. she'll burn it, probably because faegon has taken it over and they refuse her then jon or barry b murders her at some point
>There's zero chance Bran becomes king in GRRM's books
Nah man, that was Martin's plan all along. He's always wanted to twist and subvert the genre. Jon (or Dany in the eyes of show watchers) would be the obvious stereotypical choice to take the throne. But George doesn't want that. He wants to surprise you and undermine your thoughts.
i think peoples brains have been turned to mush thanks to the show. the books arent as completely brain dead as the show was. the others are going to destroy westeros, there is not going to be an iron throne by the end of it..
George doesn't want to subvert the genre, his novels read like someone retelling the history of Europe with a bunch of high fantasy nonsense tacked on. He'll end his books in a way that feels appropriate to that. His twists aren't horseshit like "Arya kills the Night's King with a ninja move", it's more like "the heroic and knightly Brienne gets half her face chewed off by some drooling moron for no reason"
I guarantee you Aria delivering the killing blow to the Night King was George's idea. The super-cool-ninja-assassin move was likely D&D.
There's nothing wrong with her delivering the killing blow. People are pissed off that there was never a proper fight scene between him and Jon.
Hypothetically- he and Jon have a good sword fight, he kills a few people, John manages to put him on the back foot and then Arya kills him from behind? Nothing wrong with that.
The Night King hasn't and probably never will show up in the books
Yeah as someone who's read the books twice the whole "muh subversion" aspect is extremely played up by morons on here. On my second read especially I felt pretty convinced that George was deploying typical fantasy archetypes in his characters but with a "twist", like Jaime is the knightly hero but his "twist" is he happened to be born in a scheming, Machiavellian family, Jon is the hero son of a wrongfully murdered father but the "twist" is he's a bastard, Tyrion is a "twist" on the freak dwarf thing, etc.
The only "le epic subversion" storyline is Quentyn's really, and that was only a four chapter tale.
I could not figure out where he was going with the Quentyn storyline. I assume it will have some later political significance but who knows
I also agree with you the story is much more straightforward fantasy than it's made out to be. The Red Wedding is sort of an extreme way to end Robb's plotline, for example, but it was very clearly leading to something like that and there's a lot of build up to it
>I could not figure out where he was going with the Quentyn storyline. I assume it will have some later political significance but who knows
My guess is that it's setting up Dany losing the support of the Martells, who she just assumed would be in the bag. There's a really good theory on this floating around, I doubt it will go play for play how the theory states, but I would bet money that a lot of Winds will be about Young Griff stealing Dany's thunder and flipping her world upside down since she just assumed she could coast in terms of political relationships by the logic that she's the last Targaryen, when Young Griff will not present another option. Especially because he'll claim to be Elia's son.
My guess is Dorne will back Young Griff and marry Arianne to him to seal the alliance and this will be a huge event in Winds that sends both Westeros and Dany into turmoil.
>I also agree with you the story is much more straightforward fantasy than it's made out to be. The Red Wedding is sort of an extreme way to end Robb's plotline, for example, but it was very clearly leading to something like that and there's a lot of build up to it
Yeah, ASOIAF is very dark (although it also has many beautiful moments) but I don't find it particularly post-modernist or subversive at all, like people on here try to suggest.
to add to that another type of subversion like that is Robert leading a noble revolution against the mad tyranical king but turns out he is a bad king, lots of people died in the war and the realm would probably have been better if they just killed the king and let his son suceed after.
Even the reason for the war starting is revealed to be bad. Ned's sister never like Robert and all that
Except that the audience is ALREADY expecting to be subverted. The most subversive thing he could do would be to reveal that it is indeed a conventional hidden king story with a fairly conventional ending (Jon Snow becomes king)
the entire premise of asoiaf is to be antithesis to lotr, he has discussed this openly. bobby b is the anti-aragorn in his kingship for example he's in the chosen one position a great personable guy with a righteous cause but completely unsuited to his station
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the story is not about finding a king or the throne it's about a realistic take on fantasy genre, the realistic take is that dragons were the power holding the kingdoms together, no dragons no unified westeros. bran is a tree
People are moronic if they don't realise book Dany is meant to be a trope on the Evil Queen.
>Dragon Queen come to conquer the lands she thinks she's entitled too
>Midget dwarf sex fiend with no nose as main advisor
>Pirate King as Husband
>Mercenary from the east and Disgraced Knight turned slaver as concubines
>Army consists of Eunichs and Mongol horse riding savages and Pirates
>fAegon will kill Cersei, Tyrion will get Dany to sack Kings Landing as revenge cause he does love his family deep down, but he will chalk it up as revenge for not getting to kill her first
>Jamie the Kingslayer is Azor Ahai and will kill the NightKing/Whitewalkers after pulling oathkeeper from Briennes body as a mercy kill as he cries "the things we do for love"
>mfw they totally removed fAegon from the show
How much did they frick up? Also what about others like Lady Stoneheart
Not having Jamie in the Riverlands was when I realised the show had gone to shit
No fAegon meant no Jon Connigton which was shit,
No Vicatarion or the Damphair
No Stoneheart, instead we got dumb BwB above the wall capturing a Wight
No Sansa and Littlefinger shenanigans in the Vale with Harry the Heir vs Sweet robin politics
Blackfish gutted like a fish
The list goes on havent even mention Dorne, Barrister holding the Seige of Mereen, Strong Belwas ect.
It's literally impossible for the show to have ended the way the books are supposed too, the story post season 4 is way too different, it's just not possible
yeah. that other anon is moronic. he doesn't read.
talking to you pal
Jon Snow would make the perfect king.
>true Targaeryen heir
>Stark blood that would bring the North back into the fold
>doesn't actually crave power, meaning he's the ideal person to wield it
>satisfyingly redresses the low status that he, and everyone else, ascribed to him
Anything else is just "muh subversion of expectations" t.b.h.
The problem is and the irony of the situation is that he’s the perfect one to become king…except he’s been systematically destroyed his entire life. Ned allowed his wife to browbeat him, call him a bastard and lesser than her own children, made him sit at a separate table for meals, and forced him into the Night’s Watch indirectly.
His self-esteem was so low and based on the way he was raised, he never received the Lord’s training and education.
So not only is he ignorant for the role, but he doesn’t want it and would rather leave the continent than be a leader.
Ned’s wife destroyed any chance of him sitting on the throne.
>satisfyingly redresses the low status that he, and everyone else, ascribed to him
Did you even read my post?
>His self-esteem was so low and based on the way he was raised, he never received the Lord’s training and education.
He did actually. One of the reasons he manages to win the vote for Lord Commander is that he was noble-raised, and one of the faction leaders in the Night's Watch takes a lot of confidence in that, as opposed to letting some pleb commoner get the office.
My cope is "not at all, not even a little"
Like "Rhaegar is not Jon Snow's dad" level of different
Like "He let them make a different version of the story for TV"
I admit this is hard to sustain
I mean lets be honest here the show 100% confirmed R+L=J and Jon being resurrected.
By the same logic it confirmed Arya becomes a ninja and sails for America
>By the same logic it confirmed Arya becomes a ninja and sails for America
Come on bro your hard coping and its obvious, R+L=J and resurrected Jon is shit we knew about for years before it was put to film, there's literally a famous anecdote where George asked D&D who Jons parents were. Comparing that to Season 7-8 writers pet anime character Arya is absolutely not even in the same realm. But hey its not like we will ever find out so whatever lemon tree tree alt shift x/Preston theory you believe might as well be canon.
The rough outline is the same I would assume.
>Jon gets resurrected my Melisandre, goes south and reconquers the North. Eventually hooks up with Daenerys
>Daenerys conquers Westeros and turns into a deranged tyrant like her father. Jon kills her and fulfills the prophecy of Azor Ahai
>Big final battle at Westeros
>Bran controls everything from the shadows
>Arya kills a bunch of people from the shadows
To be honest none of these are bad per se, the show just rushed all of this. Instead of being cramped into 6 episodes it would have had to happen over 2-3 seasons. Especially Daenerys turning dragon-mad from one moment to another was not believable at all.
>>Big final battle at Westeros
Winterfell* I mean of course
And now with the writers strike going on, BranGPT is surely getting retconned from the throne
that would imply it was ever advertising written
The series, as of Dance, is not even at the halfway point. Getting one more book would be nice but there 0% chance of finishing the series, since it's probably another 4 books.
>The TV show let him know that his ending would be hated
>
>He probably went back and rewrote it
Not exactly, since people's hatred of the show wasn't so much the plot points as the execution. He'll change it, but only because he tends to write off of what he thinks the reader knows (and now they know the show's ending).
Just let Cersei win this time. EZ PZ. I just wrote it for him.
the ending, with proper development, is kino
I haven't seen the show or read the books, but I'm sure all the events could happen the same, but in a book the writer can make it work.
The story itself was fine, just terribly executed
the books are finished. they'll be released when he is dead so he is exempt from criticism.
Yeah, because nobody is criticising him at present.
He can't finish the books because he told them his ideas for the ending of the TV show and people fricking hated it so now he's in a position where he can't use the stuff from the tv show and it's all fricked.
D&D didn't even follow the book plotlines WHEN they had source material.
It's all about execution. There were interesting ways to unfrick things down to the 11th hour, and if Martin's too much of a b***h to scour and collate the mountains of fan theories and analyses it's his own literary funeral. Frick that Boomer, fricking Ponzi scheming stories as well.
No he backed himself into a corner. Years ago he stated that you can't completely change your story midway through, as that results in bad storytelling. But he gave key pieces of his long-planned end to the showrunners, they ran them (badly admittedly) and then the fanbase rejected those endings. Fervently. So now George has to decide if he wants to go through with that ending, finding a way to make it more satisfying or believable, or he has to go back on what he said years ago.
It's not a good place to be in. It makes sense that he's just been stalling out doing anything with the story, because he can't decide. He doesn't want to. Just release a few sample chapters to satiate people until he croaks, and then he doesn't have to care.
He's already said a few of his released sample chapters for Winds are no longer valid. Hardcore fans are so jaded. That is ultimately what should prevent him from releasing. There's just no point. His legacy is better served by being a professional idea guy for HBO. He is, after all, a TV writer at heart. He does not want to be a novelist.
>its based off the war of the roses
>its nihilistic
>he killed a character he needed
>he can't write
>the show runner ran out of books
>it was based of Martins ending
What are other ways to instantly spot someone who is talking out their ass?
He admitted it to a fellow writer that he needed someone who had been killed
Preston glowBlack folk only good video is the one where he breaks down how much actual progress the fat man has done on TWOW and basically he won't finish before hes dead
he probably finished all his books 15 years ago and is slow-dripping them out to turn anyone who really likes them into ravenous animals who will be much more likely to buy the next book day 1, instead of having all these books available for marathonning. you'd get sick of it fast if you had to watch all 8 seasons of GOT start to finish without stopping, reading works the same. let the audience stew on ideas and speculations for a year then drop the next season
>slow-dripping them out to turn anyone who really likes them into ravenous animals who will be much more likely to buy the next book day 1
Jokes on this fat homosexual. Every day I don't have the new book, I give less and less of a frick about it
George, nobody believes a word you say at this point. Stop.
Releasing Winds is only going to make things worse because we won't get Dream of Spring. The series is only going to end up tripping at the 85% mark instead of the 71% mark it is on right now.
Anon... you really think the series was ever going to be done in two more books? You think GRRM is Brandon Sanderson and you can autistically chart his progress?
The only way I can see it ending in two books is if he end WINDS with the battle with white walkers. Having that battle AND Dani’s invasion of kings landing is too much for one book.
No.
He's already finished moron, he's waiting for the Broadway play to announce it.
No one cares anymore, the ending of the GoT tv show saw to that.
It's never coming out
https://voca.ro/1oAadeMoX4Wn
>lazy
>fat
>attention easily diverted
>takes more than a decade to publish the next instalment of his magnum opus
>interested in incest
Martin is the successful version of Chris Chan.
*writes books faster than you write paragraphs*
Nothing personnel, Georgie.
Brandon-sama, I kneel!
His books are low quality trash though so there's a trade off for how fast he writes.
Yeah, because GRRM is literally the modern Tolstoy.
He's the modern day Steven King without the coke and paedophilia.
King is a much better writer than Sanderson, and it isn't close.
If only some of them were worth reading
Don’t say a dirty word or talk about sex or else little Brandysandy will run and tell his mommy.
Based.
90% of fantasy is just fap fiction. Even WoT
Even WoT? Especially Wot. It's annoying. Half the book is dedicated to spankings and the bust sizes of any woman who shows up. It's sad.
>Half the book is dedicated to spankings and the bust sizes of any woman who shows up
Can you post an example?
I just bought his newest book and the description of the main character feels like I'm being personally insulted by Brandon himself.
I've only ever read the Mistborn books. I enjoyed them, but couldn't give two shits about the complicated magic system he seemed to think was really exciting. Magic doesn't need rules. It just needs reasonable limitations.
His writing is awful
The most over rated writer in modern fantasy. A Mormon cuck who appeals to people who get their rocks off to Hunger Game knock offs.
Stupid, low effort magic systems that sound way more complicated than they actually are.
If you actually enjoy his stuff, I pity you.
He is the definition of quantity over quality
Does he even write? I thought his whole deal was giving his editors his vague outline and letting them fill in the blanks.
>*ruins the ending of WoT for no reason*
heh, nothing personal.
This Black folk books have to be cut down by 50% to be readable. He meanders endlessly and writes a hundred chapters for characters that aren't important (yet).
this gay needs to slow down, his books are increasingly messier
only his podcast is good
>It keeps me out of trouble
It's like a heroin addict telling you they're clean when the needle is sticking out of their arm. We can see your belly george we know exactly how busy you are indulging in bad habits.
Yeah he's out in Spain getting fricked up on paella according to inside sources
digits 2022, a year that he did not finish WOW
it has been 12 years. There have been four new bran chapters since Clinton's Administration. He could have written three WOW sized novels in that time. Even six years is plenty of time but now we're looking at best to a 2024 release of the next book assuming he is actually writing. ADOS will never happen
He should have just hired some ghostwriters and/or an aggressive editor.
He allegedly has 1100 pages written for the book. Someone needs to come in and help him.
Who cares anymore. Disastrous show ending aside I've come to the realization the past few years that the hype around this series was unfounded. It's really only shocking and only the first time. I can't believe I used to enjoy this garbage.
I gave up on a Dream of Spring long ago but I thought Winds would come out at least. Now I don't think even Winds will come out at all
mark me ye mortal men and when WOW release comes to pass terminus of 2024 ye shall know me as the true prophet.
(DOS) never happens
Really? His updates this year have been promising. I think 2025.
The writers strike has stopped work on Dunk and Egg, I have faith Winds will come.
frick Dunk and Egg and frick all these other writing projects he has going on for tv. i get that he loves being a big tv writer but this is just ridiculous. We may not be "entitled" to his writing but he was posting progress updates a decade ago when he clearly didn't start writing winds until covid. I think we get winds from that fat c**t within the next two years but we will never see ADOS. Everything will recycle, and we will be stuck with a new set of cliffhangers for autists to overanalyze; this time forever, as no new book will be forthcoming after the fatman goes to see the stranger
My money is on TWOW, a couple of dunk and eggs because he's already got two "drafted" allegedly, and maybe the second half of fire and blood. ADOS just seems like too much work.
Dude had all of COVID to worknand the book and he hardly wrote shit.
Same, except I think we'll get a posthumous Winds of Winter that's 80% Fat Man's work and a version of Spring that's probably 5% Fat Man a few years after that.
After GoT's reception and his TV show obsession he clearly wants to die before finishing the books, that way he never has to hear what people thought of his ending.
No.
>takes him 15 years to write THE FIRST FIVE books
That is 3 years per book average
>takes him 15+ more years to write just the sixth
It was always too late
he obviously isn't writing it, he just can't say it openly because his publisher will sue him into oblivion
I disagree, I think there’s sufficient evidence to believe he’s gotten work done since Covid.
Why hasn't he already? Isn't there SOME deadline on delivering a product?
You've got more chance of seeing a new David Foster Wallace book than you have of this fat c**t ever finishing ASOIAF. It's over. Accept it.
If he actually manages to finish the books before he dies I swear I will physically eat Peter Dinklage.
You frickers talking about how the show diverged so massively from the books aren't thinking about a very important fact. We know George gave them some notes on the ending. To what extent we don't exactly know. Have yall considered that the notes may have been as simple as
>Aria kill the Knight King
>Bran takes over the thrown
Shit like that? Not how they did it, or why, just where he had planned for things to end up.
>tell them arya kills the night king for shits and giggles
>mfw they actually do it
>spends her entire life gearing up to assassinate somebody
>assassinates somebody
Yeah, that was a real deus ex machina.
She's spent her entire life gearing up to assassinate human beings that have wronged her family, not a magical undead ice elf.
Uh, did you notice what the Night King was about to do before Arya whacked him?
Did you also notice that the Faceless Men forgave all her transgressions and set her loose to whack the very being who transgressed against death?
Guess not. Oh dear.
>Did you also notice that the Faceless Men forgave all her transgressions and set her loose to whack the very being who transgressed against death?
I literally do not remember this, actually. I'm completely drawing a blank on this.
They literally sent the Waif to assassinate her. But this was merely the final stage in her training. Arya returned to the House of Black and White, and all was forgiven.
Why? Because the Faceless Men worshipped death. The Night King was a being who raised the dead, and therefore a blasphemer against death. They knew Arya was the ideal person to assassinate him, because her family (and the North in general) were directly threatened by him. The Faceless Men were the puppet-masters behind Arya all along.
(Try telling this to the typical GoT fan, who is incapable of reading a subtext, and actually thought Danaerys would make a good queen ...)
Did the faceless men also have magic antibiotics that prevented her stab wounds from becoming infected after she was gutted and tossed into a shit filled river?
never happened
Woah this is just some weird made up head canon fanfic bullshit.
Of course, it was only after everyone hated the ending that Gurm started backpedaling and insisting that the books would end differently.
I suspect that has a great deal to do with the delays as well. The ending of the show was very poorly received and I've heard that's spooked him into making drastic changes, forgetting that the endings themselves were not the problem but how rush and shitty it was done by D & D
I maintain that Jon killing Dany is what will happen in the books but unlike Benioff and Weiss who rushed to the finish line, GRRM will build to that organically. Or would if he ever finished them. Again though the showrunners still fricked him over by making Dany such a girlboss that people are mad over her fall and death when in reality he was probably setting her up for a mad king type arc.
Even in the show I think they did a decent job showing she was mentally unstable throughout the show its just fans, particularly females fans rallied around her for various reasons.
>someone crosses her for their own objectives
>show is from Danys prospective so they're clearly the villian
>when they die terribly or horribly her fans rejoiced at her killing more villains.
I mean from her sin being destined to Ghegis Khan the world and her being excited to throwing her friend and the black guy in the vault and locking em in with no fricks to give, the writing was on the wall for her from the beginning
I remember watching as the last few seasons aired, and the fanbase always swooning over Dany. I just laughed as I saw where her story was headed, despite D&D tripping over themselves at nearly every point, the arc was there. People just wanted their stronk wahman.
Yeah I agree they telegraphed it but people with no media literacy were cheering along with her whenever she did anything aggressive, praising it as some girl power moment. But they hadn't done anything with her on the level of burning a city so that gave those fans whiplash. Then five minutes later she's dead. So better pacing would've helped. But her fall didn't come from nowhere.
The closest thing the had shown up until that point was her having all of the masters at that 1 city crucified but still they tried to downplay it along with downplaying every city state she "conquered" went fricking breasts up the moment her and her army would leave em.
Yeah I pretty much figured that was the gist of it.
He handed em cliffsnotes and they spun their own bullshit from there.
>aria 360 spinning 1 hit kills Night King
>Dany goes batshit on Kings Landing
>Bran becomes king
>Jon fricks off to the true north
The idea of Daenarys turning evil was obviously the plan from the start, but the idiots running the show did it in two episodes. Those last 2-3 seasons were so monumentally bad, it is almost hard to describe.
Yes we know. but the israelites lost interest and couldn't create their own stories that fit the world they flat out can't do anything good. What have they done since?
there is no night king in the books, that plotline is full D&D fanfic.
100% bran ends on the throne but bran would be far more involved and it would end with some sort of keyser soze shit with the blood raven being behind everything to get on the throne.
100%. If anyone thinks it's going to have a 'happy' ending like the show, they haven't been paying attention
The nights king is 100% real.
What if, in Martin's mind, the night king is actually Euron? But perhaps he didn't tell that part to D&D.
Big krappa frfr
Even if it comes out I won't read it.
There's absolutely 0 chance that dream of spring gets finished.
When it finally comes out in several years it's going to be mediocre, even worse than Dance. Not only does he clearly not have a passion for the setting anymore, he's only gotten more senile and less willing to listen to professional editors instead of his sycophants who allow him to ramble about the meal a side character had for breakfast for 3 pages. Meanwhile he leaves major plot lines unresolved with cliffhangers. He's washed up.
>even worse than Dance
Dance gave us Jon Conn and based Aegon, the book was fricking kino.
FINISH THE FRICKING BOOKS YOU FAT BASTARD, I BOUGHT THEM, YOU OWE ME
George RR Martin is not your b***h. You are his b***h.
People should start releasing ChatGPT versions of the ending of his series, print out the best of the best of fanfic for ending the series, and mail it all to him.
I’d love to see him sperg out in anger.
No. It's over
i wouldn't write either if i had constant access to black poosy
Have you ever fricked a black girl? It isn't as cool as you think it is.
This. It's weird and gross in a lot of ways once you get past >muh tight wet hole.
Who cares. The books are garbage.
i can't find it but at some award show around the time GoT s3 or s4 came out, GRRM was sitting in the audience with a type writer as a joke because even back then people were complaining about him being a slow writer
and that was like 10 years ago now
He's full of shit, as always. Working on the half-dozen spinoffs and probably Elden Ring 2 at this point.
erm post gimi maybe i dunno
Ummmmm..... bros.......?
I didn't know George was a ska fan
what in the everloving frick is the thing on the sheboons head?
grrm'll support anything that lets him procrastinate longer
bonus is this one he can pass as "ethical and progressive"
George can sympathize with these people. He's been on the writer's strike since 2011.
Dudes worth 120 mil. No way in hell he still cares about Winds of Winter or Promise of Spring.
He'll die in the next few years, and they'll pass it off to some Brandon Sanderson type to finish it.
>winds of winter
Shan't be reading it, cause he'll never finish it. Even if he does finish it before a deadly heart attack, I shan't be reading it.
>This fat frick has now spent longer writing The Winds of Winter than Rowling spent writing the entire Harry Potter series
I feel bad for the people that actually follows this series since the first book was published. Some of them probably died long time ago or just give up all together
i just want a dunk and egg show
get ready for your monkeys paw anon because each novella is going to a be a full season.
Egg will 100% be black
Please finish 🙁
He's already admitted he killed off a character that he needed, probably Maester Aemond or Viserys. He probably can't finish now.
>writes a series people love
>gets hate from his fans anyway
You really just can't win can you? I guess he's the real winner here because he doesn't give a shit.
>doesn't give a shit
>punts ending the novels until he's dead and gone so he never has to hear what the mean fan fans say about him
Pick one.
He's what- a multimillionaire at this point? If you're that rich, why not do things on your own time? If he were concerned about what the fans thought, he would have finished by now. It's not like he's writing Finnegans Wake or something.
He's probably sitting around in his mansion jacking off to hentai and laughing at how mad he's making you smut junkies
He's an old man so afraid of tarnishing his legacy he won't release the novels.
Someone paralyzed by that sort of fear about 'oh what will they say about me 50 years from now' cares entirely too much about what people think about him.
It's why he busies himself being an ideas guy now. No need to follow through and the legacy of whatever those projects develop into will be assigned to the showrunners, comic artists, editors, etc and not to the Fat Man himself.
I think that hinges on the assumption that he sees Game of Thrones as something with real artistic merit that will determine his legacy after he's gone. It's possible that he just sees it as his cash cow series that somehow became popular against astronomical odds. It's possible that he's just lost interest in the series as a writer and he wants to work on projects he's interested in now that he's already rich.
What a writer likes in his work and what other people like in a writer's work are often two very different things.
I get pervert vibes hard from this guy. Just from his physical appearance I feel he is into some really debased and pathetic shit, I don't get child molestor vibes but something in the same neighborhood.
Yeah his stories should give some indication of the fricky sexual stuff he's into. Still respect him for what he's been able to do though
been going through the books as audiobooks on long drives the last few years. I am almost done A Clash of Kings, which is actually where I read up to years ago and found it a bit of a slog after that
I would really like if by the time I finish listening through these and the hedge knight novellas he'll have put out the new book
based
the Audiobooks by Roy Dotrice have great replay value
what're some series like a song of ice and fire? I enjoy the characters in the books, the settings are comfy, and the world seems large and interesting. I think people criticize GRRM's writing unfairly as most fantasy writers that I have read have pretty bland characters, the settings aren't any more realistic (economics, social structures, languages, etc.), and the worlds don't seem as vast and interesting
anything similar?
>the settings aren't any more realistic
>fantasy
Do they really need to be?
no but GRRM gets criticism for the economics of the setting making no sense, the scale in time and distance and there being a single language spoken in Westeros with seemingly no dialect differences, and a few other things
and I don't think those are fair critiques as the genre as a whole is like that and he's better than some others
They are fair critics when he's gone on record stating that that realism is what he was going for. If I say I'm making a horror film and the whole movie is just people sitting on a couch making jokes, then everyone would have every right to criticize the lack of any horror elements.
aren't those oft repeated tax quotes directed at LOTR fake anyway?
Doesn't really matter, he's talked about how he wanted the world in the books to be, and talks about focusing on the mundanity of such a setting and making it believable. Now he's written himself into a corner.
It feels like he's just not invested anymore in this universe he's created. He probably just feels obligated to finish it. I wonder if he feels the lack luster ending to the show damaged the brand a bit.
Why doesn't he just farm it out to a ghostwriter?
He can't just be honest and say he's lost interest. Always the excuses and lies about how much he's written while in the meantime he fricks around at cons and releases new tv shows and other books.
I doubt he has even written 100 draft pages so far this year. Even 50 isn't certain at all.
If it makes you feel any better, Doctor Who: Devious was shot mainly in 1995 but only released in 2018. That's 23 years. That's around double the gap since the last ASoIaF book.
he's probably written the entire series in draft already and is refining it before he croaks
it would probably be a good idea on his part to release the last two in a short period of time
like the last one a year after TWOW
George doesn’t write outlines
this is the reply you give when your mom asks if you've applied to any jobs
I'm thinking the series ends decades after the ultimate battle
The last book is A Dream of Spring which implies a long time (winter) has passed
He's not going to finish the books because he's doesn't need to. GRRM only ever wrote when he was starving or under threat of some financial penalty. He wrote like a madman in the 70's and early 80's because he needed to or he would die. Tons of output(most of it trash). After his tv career fizzled out and he needed food he wrote got. When he was late on asos and already spent all the advance money yet needed to finish he cranked it out in a few short months. The book was bigger hit and he was able to relax and take his time.
Now? He'll never have to write again. You might get another world book. You might get another fire and blood book. You'll never get any substantial books from him again. It's over.
haha, so true. just don't look up the singer now.
>spoiler
what the FRICK man, wish I had listened to you
oh well, i know what that means.
I almost threw up
lmfao I remember finding out he became a troony a few years ago. jesus christ these ogre dudes thinking they can larp as women is something else.
ASOIAF may become the first book series to be finished by AI after the author dies. OpenAI will make a special version of GPT-5 (ultra-long-context, fine-tuned on GRRM's writings). There'll be some editing too, of course.
The more I think about it the more the show ending makes sense. Especially because it confirms both Jon being a Targaryen and AA, they just didn't have the space to do the whole AA thing in the show.
The entire point of AA is that it can be anyone if you're willing to twist words and meanings to fit...george doesn't like prophecy. The fact you think it's real is silly.
>Is it coming out soon?
He cashed out already with HBO bux it's never coming out
No. He doesn't care. Why would he? He never has to need for anything ever again.
Maybe he can't tie up all the story lines and loose ends.
Sex pest
It's not lack of motivation, it is consternation and overall messiness that has made it impossible for him to finish the books.
He read a bunch of fan theories and got gaslight by that and some of the show meta into reworking certain characters and a story arcs. But doing so clashed with his original continuity and he got tired of bugfixing his series. This is what I've gathered from his progress reports, the chapters he previewed a decade ago will probably be retconned
He should get some co-writer whose only job is keeping track of plot lines
There is a bunch of career fans that know his books better than him. He is aware of this and absolutely despises them.
The only hope for the series is unironically professional fan-fiction. He dies and 5 notable writers continue the story in their own logical directions, they all get sued by his wife
Couldn't some well read anons just use chatGPT to generate the final books? May take a whole bunch of attempts, but it could probably work.
Preston Jacobs is using a team of editors to do a fan fic of the book.
So far I do think he is doing a decent job like it's no way near as good as the real thing but I would rank the work so far as like 6-7.5/10 if 10/10 is the best chapters from the entire series.
I tried this. ChatGPT is hardwired to the show continuity, even using really specific prompts it always winds back around to the show tropes.
Sudowrite which is a writer specific AI (uses GPT) is impressive at longform chapters but it also get trapped by baked in biases that the devs incorporate, they avoid dark and scary and always return to the heroes journey
A complete timeline of GRRM's progress writing TWOW:
>July 2010: Having moved 5 chapters from ADWD to TWOW, Martin says he has completed 100 of TWOW pages already
>April 2011: GRRM predicts TWOW will take 3 years to finish. "I hope it doesn't take em six years like this last one has"
>July 2011, ADWD is released, weeks after season 1 of GOT finishes
>October 2012: "I've already written 400 pages of my sixth book and I really look forward to publishing it in 2014"
>April 2015: GRRM hopes to release the book by 2016 before the sixth season of GOT starts to spoil things. He cancels convention appearances.
>January 2016: GRRM makes apologetic New Years blog, stating he believed he would be done by October 2015, and certainly be the end of the year. "I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books, but it has."
>February 2016: GRRM says he is not writing anything else until TWOW is finished.
>January 2017: "I think it will be out this year. (But hey, I thought the same thing last year)."
>July 2017: Despite his earlier statement that he isn't writing anything else until Winds is done, he is working on the book Fire & Blood, a history of the Targaryen dynasty. He says he isn't sure whether Fire & Blood or TWOW will be published first, though. "I do think you will have a Westeros book from me in 2018… and who knows, maybe two"
>April 2018: Announces TWOW will not be out in 2018
>November 2018: Fire & Blood is published. Martin later admits in a Penguin Random House Q&A he paused working on TWOW for some time to finish Fire & Blood so it could serve as source material for House of the Dragon.
>April-May 2019: Final season of GOT airs to dreadful reception from fans and critics.
>May 2019: "If I don't have TWOW in hand when I arrive in New Zealand [in July 2020] you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I'm done."
>June 2020: GRRM still has a "long way to go". Fortunately the pandemic prevents him going to New Zealand
>February 2021: GRRM still has "hundreds of more pages to write"
>March 2022: GRRM has written a "couple hundred pages" of Fire & Blood 2 and more Dunk & Egg novellas. GRRM says he is "heavily involved" in all of the GOT spinoff shows, which have taken up a ton of his time and attention.
>October 2022: GRRM reveals he's three-quarters done with TWOW
>December 2022: He has written roughly 1100 or 1200 pages and needs to write "another 400, 500" more.
>April 2023: It's announced GRRM will be a writer and produces for a new GOT spinoff
>not long now
can i get good odds on this? any bookmakers taking bets?
no, because betting real money on people's deaths gives rise to an assassination market: bet that he dies, kill him, collect the reward
I think he'll actually miraculously live far longer than anyone anticipates, into his 90's and he'll actually manage to release all but the final book. Which will be almost finished, but not fully and we'll never read it.
The only way this gets finished is if they cure aging and fatness.
Because of people like Martin, I'm actually glad AI is going to absolutely destroy the lives of 'artists' and 'writers'. Mentally maladjusted twerps who believe they're worth anything in society because they have the rare ability of.....making shit up. Great. Not a knock on people who love the craft and make great stuff and aren't just wackos who hop onto these professions because it's more comprehensible to them than actual work and labor but they're long gone anyways from every facet of entertainment industries in the West. Rest In Piss.
assuming he doesnt die tmrw, it will come out eventually. a dream of spring however, will forever remain a dream.
Release book or shut up, George.
He won't finish it. He will go to the grave leaving his work up for speculation. Smartest thing he could do, anyway.