>Angels created humans in HH verse. >they aren't omniscient and have no idea what they are doing really

>Angels created humans in HH verse
>they aren't omniscient and have no idea what they are doing really
>they don't even know why souls to go heaven and hell
>they still torture and maim their creations for arbitrary reasons

Why do people say heaven isn't clearly the bad guys here?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's a show made by a hack fatty who can't write and need to make a side look bad and hide the flaws of the other side despite the whole message being that morality is grey

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mby the whole message was always is just about excusing criminals and telling law-abiding people to bend over.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No you need to excuse him, he said sorry. So you now need to let him in heaven and let him live with his victims for eternity

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The criminal that got to Heaven with Jesus still received his punishment on Earth, and the idea of getting him bailed out of that was rejected by the criminal himself.
          But God knew he truly regretted his sins, which is why he was allowed to Heaven.
          But we are not God, so we have our secular laws that, by definition, don't account for God.
          As for those preaching ambiguity in morality, they will always bail out criminals but will throw a book on anyone defending themselves from them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >As for those preaching ambiguity in morality
            Was bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki morally good or bad? Yes or no answer, no gay shit

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Japan's government was warned
              >Japan's civilians were warned
              >ample time for evacuation
              >military bases were hit
              >only Japan gov wanted to prolong the war, in a ploy of keeping their colonies and getting away with genocide
              >US gov was fulfilling their responsibilities towards own people and allies
              >Japanese gov has deemed own people as pawns to be sacreficed
              Yes, and even clearly mad about it court has admitted Japan won't prove that international law was broken

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                's civilians were warned
                they weren't

                bases were hit
                was doped over the civilian core of the city

                >>only Japan gov wanted to prolong the war,
                The US had refuse a conditional surrender before doping the nukes

                >>US gov was fulfilling their responsibilities towards own people and allies
                it wasn't

                ese gov has deemed own people as pawns to be sacreficed
                so did the americans

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                time for evacuation
                Want me to tell you how I know you're israeli?
                Nagasaki wasn't even suppose to be the town bombed, originally.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You did a remarkable job of showing how black-and-white morality eventually makes one think like a psychopath ready to dismiss lives in situations where suffering cannot be avoided.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you have proven that your gray morality enables genocidal and colonialists governments to drag own people to die in their wars of conquest.

                's civilians were warned
                they weren't

                bases were hit
                was doped over the civilian core of the city

                >>only Japan gov wanted to prolong the war,
                The US had refuse a conditional surrender before doping the nukes

                >>US gov was fulfilling their responsibilities towards own people and allies
                it wasn't

                ese gov has deemed own people as pawns to be sacreficed
                so did the americans

                Leaflets were dropped before bombs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And you have proven that your gray morality enables genocidal and colonialists governments to drag own people to die in their wars of conquest.
                that's your type of morality doing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you let Japan keep their colonies where they have committed genocide if that stops the nukes from being dropped?
                Yes or no.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It was morally bad, but so was not bombing them due to the fact that the proceeding invasion would've caused way more death and destruction.

              The important thing is whether people responsible for it regretted it afterwards.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The important thing is whether people responsible for it regretted it afterwards.
                The pilot who dropped the bomb famously didn't and considered this as merely a successful operation. The dude was unironically sociopathic.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All war is bad so yes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m pretty sure it’s about hypocritically treating queers as outcasts, and those queers trying to live their best life and occasionally struggle to meet the judgmental standards of gay haters

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It depends if they are left wing or right wing gays.
          Right wing gays understand that they are responsible for their choices.
          Left wing gays in Cali have reduced intentionally spreading HIV into misdemeanor and expect all treatments to be covered by taxpayers.
          Left wing libertarianism in general is all about not wanting the state to stop your irresponsible behavior but demanding from the state to subsidize it. An umbrella that unites super fat people, druggies, and everyone who wants their own easily avoidable problems to be everybody's else burden.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Alright buddy chill out for a second

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm pretty chill, Mr Unable To Resist Quick Accusations Of Bigotry

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You sort of came out of left field making bombastic and sweeping political statements unrelated to the post you’re replying to and unrelated to the thread, basically saying liberals go to hell and conservatives go to heaven

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Was accusing me of bigotry on topic?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When did I accuse you of bigotry

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are right, you didn't, and I did misread your post.
                My apologies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nice 😛

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It directly relates to the post you made, so yes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hypocritically treating queers as outcasts
          Its so strange how the show is constantly at odds with itself trying to portray hell as this queer utopia where people do what they want but also a shithole that those queer people need to be saved from. Is hell in HH bad or not?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seems everyone is ignoring the fact that Viv has failed in portraying hell as terrible enough that sinners would need to get to heaven where they're under a more restrictive system. The premise is now entirely fricked.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hazbin Hotel is a setting where everybody constantly tells us how horrible hell is and how desperately people need to be saved from it and yet, its inhabitants can freely go out clubbing for a night with no problems. What the frick dude.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would be a reason to say heaven is clearly the bad guys

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No you need to excuse him, he said sorry. So you now need to let him in heaven and let him live with his victims for eternity

      Because you're on contrarian central. This show mocks Christianity, as does a lot of modern culture, so Cinemaphile, being counterculture, has many people who feel the need to play up their spirituality and religiousness to make themselves stand out and look like cool smart rebels. Oh and they also have nothing to do so instead of not watching a shitty show that's clearly not meant for them they watch it, get asshurt and start rooting for the villains in an attempt to find representation in there.

      Adam died so Him and Lute can take his kids, the sinners, to heaven.
      That’s why Lilith looks so defeated here.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're not.There is no "Heaven is bad and Hell is good." They are both evils combating each other where their own justifications to their methods.

    It's Law vs Chaos. Adherence to a strict code to protect everyone while sacrificing free will. Those enforcing that are fighting fire with fire but those in the middle are blissfully ignorant.

    People see this and point to say that Heaven must be the ones at fault but on the other side of the coin chaos and destruction reigns and nothing gets done. A world literally run by sinners looking out for their own selfish vices and desires.

    People keep saying this show champions satanic values but it doesn't. This show champions both the nature of controlled chaos without the loss of self. You can see it even in hell. The streets are riddled with blood but the ones who thrive are the ones that follow order.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you're on contrarian central. This show mocks Christianity, as does a lot of modern culture, so Cinemaphile, being counterculture, has many people who feel the need to play up their spirituality and religiousness to make themselves stand out and look like cool smart rebels. Oh and they also have nothing to do so instead of not watching a shitty show that's clearly not meant for them they watch it, get asshurt and start rooting for the villains in an attempt to find representation in there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This show mocks Christianity
      How ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By characterizing them as an arbitrary, selfish and judgmental group of gay bashers who run heaven like a frat house

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It don't characterize christians that way, only Adam is showed to be an butthole

          It literally has Satan beat up Adam in the climax

          And how is that mocking christians ?

          at this point you are just salty that viv played loose with abrahamic mythology to tell a history, just it's done with other mythologies; even when religion is never even mentioned in the show

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Playing with mythology is mocking it. From a theoretical God's perspective, what right do you have to aleter the holy text passed down from him to your mortal whim?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah you are just seething because someone treated a mythology as a mythology and use it as loose inspiration for a fictional story

              Christians don’t even appear in the show, did you think insulting Christianity means the show would insult you as a Christian? They criticize Christianity by making heaven and all the angels in it arbitrary clueless buttholes

              > They criticize Christianity by making heaven and all the angels in it arbitrary clueless buttholes
              that is not mocking or criticizing christianity, that is using mythology as inspiration for fiction
              it never try to make any points or remarks about christinity nor even address it
              Also most angels were showed to not be buttholes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > that is not mocking or criticizing christianity
                They are saying, and wrote, that heaven is a hypocritical concept. Heaven is God’s Kingdom and in Christianity is the totality of all things good, Heaven absent God should be impossible in the first place, and having Heaven be hellish like this and full of evil people, is to say the sorting of souls is wrong and the concept of good and bad aren’t aligned with heaven and hell, pulling apart the entire thing
                Calling Christianity a mythology actually is criticizing it, because in Christianity, Christianity is actually the objective monotheistic truth. Using it as a mythology to characterize heaven as being hellish or worse than hell, is classic heresy and an undermining of the Christian perspective that it’s literally the primary unalienable truth of this universe, and they desecrate heaven by characterizing it as evil

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The world is not required to conform to your worldview christcuck. Christianity is a religion and like any religion falls under mythology. Humans consume this mythology and make fiction based on ideas and take aways from it. You are seething because not everyone worships your dead israelite on a stick or his psychopathic sky daddy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I understand, but I’m saying, to Christians and Christianity, this is subversive and turns the entire thing on its head in fiction.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In the show heaven is a bad place the same way Loki fought the marvel avengers for a purple alien in some movies, this has nothing to do with your religion beyond loose inspiration so quit whining

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Go to bed grandpa.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah you are just seething because someone treated a mythology as a mythology and use it as loose inspiration for a fictional story
                I'm not personally offended by this, but it's a fact that from a religion's standpont, reinterpreting religious canon is akin to mocking it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why not look at it from a positive perspective? By doing this some of the viewers are now more curious about the source material. Perhaps not all or even most but some is better than none, no?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Christians don’t even appear in the show, did you think insulting Christianity means the show would insult you as a Christian? They criticize Christianity by making heaven and all the angels in it arbitrary clueless buttholes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It literally has Satan beat up Adam in the climax

            >And how is that mocking christians ?
            I mean, you could argue it mocks Mormons.
            Since Adam is Michael, the highest of all angels in their faith.
            Or Seventh-day Adventists.
            In which Adam is Jesus Christ.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is Adam not Adam the first man?
              (Sorry haven’t seen all the show yet)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Or Seventh-day Adventists.
              >In which Adam is Jesus Christ.
              lol Explain? Don't think I ever heard that one

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mixed it up with Michael, sorry anon.
                >Seventh-day Adventists
                Michael is Jesus
                >Mormons
                Michael is Adam
                >Mormons(Brigham Young version)
                Michael is Adam, and Adam is also God the Father.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s also not like other series haven’t played with the concept
            >Supernatural
            >Neil Gaiman’s Lucifer
            >Good Omens
            >Hellblazer

            Just to name a few

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Neil Gaiman’s Lucifer
              Lucifer isn't Neil Gaiman's. I mean, sure he kinda created him in Sandman but actual series was by Mike Carey

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but those shows were good.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It literally has Satan beat up Adam in the climax

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HEAVEN IS....LE BAD?!!?!?
    yawn

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not le bad in the show though.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot
    >No God at all
    >Angels just hate free will in general
    It's like a lame version of Ultrakill.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Adam is the first man
    >all of humanity descends from him
    >most inhabitants of Hell are sinners which were formerly human

    I’m surprised Adam would want to kill all his descendants

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE TO BEHAVE BETTER NOW THEY BOIL IN A POT

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This line of thinking is why Adam should've become a demon in hell

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because only the CEOs of heaven know of the genocide, the rest of heaven doesn't know this.
    And they're doing it out of fear from hell rebelling towards them, and depending on the backstory, their fear might or might not be warranted.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember that angels fricking is not a sin.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Amazon probably forced Hazbin to remove and not go forward with any other references to God or Jesus to avoid any major backlash. The lore suffers for it though, because now we have angels who are now the stand in for God instead of just the opposites of demons.

    Also, I find it sort of funny that Lucifer sat back and watched the exterminations happen for years when he could have easily mopped the floor with the angel leading them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "He let the exterminations happen to begin with" quoting Charlie.
      He broke the agreement because ... Adam hit Charlie?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is Gabriel, Michael and Raphael in that picture?
    Also, it seems that most seraphim are men, why did they leave the governing to a woman?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Angels are technically supposed to be sexless. Emily and Sera could be sexless as well as just identify as female for all we know.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, it seems that most seraphim are men, why did they leave the governing to a woman?
      Adam's (dead) fingers typed this

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people say heaven isn't clearly the bad guys here?
    The only folks saying this are Adambros.
    It is almost the most controversial point of the whole show that heaven are the antagonists (even though, to be fair, it's only actually three main problems, two active issues, and one malicious bystander allowing it to happen)

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So who are these motherfrickers?
    I'm thinking
    >Michael
    >Gabriel
    >Uriel
    >Raphael
    >Azrael
    >Samael

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who’s the strongest in that group? And who’s the most reasonable?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Michael would be the most reasonable, Azrael is the most powerful due to him being literally the angel of death. Which btw kind of surprise they didn't do the twist that Adam was just a protégé of Azrael in terms of the angelic death squad going on in the series

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We have to wait until Viv reaches their pages on Wikipedia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd say strongest- Michael and most reasonable Raphael. However "who's an archangel" depends on denomination. Anglicanism has Camiel/Chaumiel who's the Archangel of war/strength so he'd be fun to see

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean they are clearly not, they would not go to heaven if they were not. You would need some proof that actually bad people ended up in heaven (and even then that's already only half way because if only some bad people ended up in heaven that's still less then all bad people in hell).

    Just remember
    >Adam did nothing wrong.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Adam: You are the most hated being in creation
      >Lucifer: But I took your wives! Bang bang.
      Looking at this list: Lucifer certainly belongs to hell.
      >Lucifer selfishly goes after Adam’s wives and experiments on the latter, stealing away Adam’s family
      And the best part is, Adam didn’t give him the Heaven pass since he only died for sinners.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying Adam wanted sir pentious in heaven

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I’m pretty sure that’s the schizo that’s been spamming his Adam=Jesus theory in every thread

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s exactly what I am implying.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That’s exactly what I am implying.
            The savior is pic related, Jesus metaphorically.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That b***h didn’t die for sinners. Adam did.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >didn’t die for sinners
                would have been too on the nose. for the sake of plausible deniability there are several deliberate mistakes made by the show.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That b***h didn’t die for sinners

                except she did, sortof. Charlie goes to heaven (dies) and argues that the souls of all the hybrids deserve to go to heaven if they are good. Then she is sent back, alive again. Also interesting note, Charlies meeting in heaven (her death) is arranged by Lucifer (Satan) who is blamed for Christs actual death.

                You guys really want to bullshit the redemption premise without Adam’s sinless sacrifice. Your stupid Devil spawn was never worthy of making it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adam is not Jesus Christ, especially not in the bible. They are totally different people and concepts.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus Christ is literally the second Adam. The premise of HH is the original Adam still remaining perfect and taking the sins of his children instead. That’s literally it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please stop spamming this I’m begging you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You Black folk keep spamming “oh my subversion, let’s make Adam an ugly sinner.” I have the right to be pissed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adam didn't remain perfect, he ate the apple.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adam in HH didn’t eat the apple!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Adam in HH
                got fricked by the apple instead

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the expression is "got fricked over by"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That b***h didn’t die for sinners. Adam did.

                Jesus Christ is literally the second Adam. The premise of HH is the original Adam still remaining perfect and taking the sins of his children instead. That’s literally it.

                [...]
                >And how is that mocking christians ?
                I mean, you could argue it mocks Mormons.
                Since Adam is Michael, the highest of all angels in their faith.
                Or Seventh-day Adventists.
                In which Adam is Jesus Christ.

                Wtf kind of meds is this samegay on thinking his meme will catch on? Fricking LEL at this c**t

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That b***h didn’t die for sinners

                except she did, sortof. Charlie goes to heaven (dies) and argues that the souls of all the hybrids deserve to go to heaven if they are good. Then she is sent back, alive again. Also interesting note, Charlies meeting in heaven (her death) is arranged by Lucifer (Satan) who is blamed for Christs actual death.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That b***h didn’t die for sinners. Adam did.

              meds now

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yahtzee's quote on Darksiders fits this too well. "I'm guessing THQ's bible was written by Image Comics in the 90's." At least Spawn was absurdly amusing and had some impact-fulness. It also used Keith David better but Husk is the kind of character we needed for her setting, not more annoying psychopathic manchildren we are supposed to be sobbing for without any irony.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just Ultrakill but shittier. At least Ultrakill had a 200 year long world war and humans finding Hell for the angels to justify their actions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is God in Ultrakill

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a world without God, everyone is a bad guy.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Charlie snapping at Susan in Episode 7 is the only time time this show managed to make swearing funny and not obnoxious

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think the Angels created heaven and Earth. I think it's just a story that Lucifer told his daughter to simplify things, and he was out of her life before he could tell her the actual story.

    Viv has confirmed Satan exists in HH. If Satan is real, God must be as well. He must be out doing something elsewhere, left the angels in charge of the house, but forgot to tell them how the alarm works.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Satan in HH is just another of the 7 deadly sins. Big boy demons that administer each ring. Lucifer being their head and ruler of pride

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