Do people really ok with anything as long as they have long ears? Elves are supposed to be graceful, noble, otherworldly, beautiful beyond belief, and have a strong connection to the natural world. Japanese elves are a cheap mimicry made by people who don't understand the true appeal of elves.
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>graceful, noble, otherworldly, beautiful beyond belief, and have a strong connection to the natural world
sounds like everything the Japanese make
Elves aren't real.
There's no standard that fictional elves have to live up to.
If you're unable to separate different depictions of elves in your mind then think of whatever elves you don't like as not elves but rather some other fantasy race.
Thre's a think called standards.
If everythign can be an "elf", then the word has no meaning
words have meanings
There’s a thing called the inevitable passage of time. Most fantasies races that you think are set in stone templates today were a bunch of little gremlin creatures in old folk tales and typically very ugly or outlandish or just a stand in for a ghost story or lesson about how you shouldn’t frick your neighbors wife or the hergenbergerderger will twist your balls.
There's a thing called standards. They don't change with marketing or fad.
If the concept dies, so dies the word. It doens't become available for whatever you want an "elf" to be
Sant'la's elves more popular than your gay fantasy elves so by your own metric, fantasy elves are a cheap imitation of the real elves of the north pole
Santa's helpers aren't even elves at all. They're closer to gnomes. Only in English they're referred to as elves for some reason. Actual elves are described in detail throughout history and Tolkien's elves are the most accurate.
>Elf: humanoid with pointy ears
There's your meaning homosexual. Frick outta here with your "standards" for a fantasy race. It's a lot less important than you think it is.
have a nice day, shitskin.
You dont' get to decide, homosexual.
And we all know that you'd defend elves that don't look human and don't have pinty ears
Elves are European folklore, so they are fricking white. It’s not hard to process.
>real elves
>Elves are supposed to be graceful, noble, otherworldly, beautiful
Who told you that
Elves were pretty different before Tolkien
Actually in pre Christian times the elves were exactly like that. They only became treacherous creatures in the Christian era in part to demonise pre Christian folklore.
Because the Japanese have to insert their moronic spergy kawaii schoolgirl shit into everything they do and fat manbaby coomers lap it up so much so it is shifting western perception on elves.
Neopagan lies
Why would pagans give so many of their children names with the word elf in them if they were always considered evil monsters. Before Christianity elves were the pagans honoured ancestors in spirit form.
There's literally no way for you to know that.
Christians did not consider elves evil, for them they did not exist
Christians thought Dog People were real.
Yes,and?
ie, a greek wrote about dog people, and monks copied the books of his travels. the vast majority of people were not aware of these stories. most peasants did believe in spirits and fairies and often employed friars to get rid of them
>get proven to be an uneducated moron
>posts AI slop to cope
Read a book instead of watching youtube
They told the plebs to stop worshiping their elf spirits, telling them they were evil goblins and hags. Whether true Christians believed in them or not they used the superstition of the masses against them to stop worshiping their ancestors and worship Christ. That is why the elves of later folklore are treacherous, mischievous, murderous etc. But Tolkien was tapping into the pre Christian notion of elves being noble angelic beings.
Tolkien was a devout catholic you moron. And no, you’re wrong about this. The aos sí of the pre christian irish stories are not nice or noble beings, they are unpredictable. King oberon is not a nice being, neither are the satyrs that inhabit his woods. Forests were scary and dangerous, and had to be managed and pruned. Peasants were worried about their pigs being spirited away during pannage and would leave offerings for the fairies so they didn’t frick their livelihoods up, leshy is another good example of this. You are literally talking complete shit
Tolkien was also influenced by the kalevala on elves, but again, a christian compiled that within the last few centuries.
Nice of all these evil anti pagan christians to write down and preserve all their stories for them.
The lady of the lake is probably the most famous elf in literature and that’s from christian writing. Infact most of the shit you’re basing your larping on was written by christians. It’s insane to me that these morons make shit up out of thin air and just believe it. I swear larpagans are the least educated people on the planet
It’s funny reading nibelungen and seeing siegfried celebrate mass with the court. Imagine if larpers actually read this shit kek.
So what sure some Christian literature was inspired by pagan myth, it doesn’t mean anything I said is untrue, it just shows an example of the true nature of elves as pagans saw them being preserved in the Arthurian tradition, the same with the wizard Merlin.
What you are saying isn’t how “pagans” saw them, since for one thing paganism is not a universal religion and varies massively from place and time, and for another thing you’re just wrong. Here’s two examples of very old pre christian myth which have cruel fairies:
The idea of them being idyllic and maiden like was influenced by the chivalric culture romance was born of. You can’t just call every post christian thing that contradicts you a “pagan survival”. Tolkiens notion of elves comes from romance. Same as his notion of dragons.
In literally almost every case you are going to be referring to christian influenced sources, especially in northern europe. Why don’t you give an example of what you’re talking about?
There’s plenty of pre christian stories where elves are cruel, look at irish folklore. As representations of the forests, which were vast and dangerous, obviously they’re not going to be perfect idyllic maidens (ironically something you are getting from romance literature, which is post christian) but uncanny forces you needed to be careful of and show respect to.
What pre Christian Irish stories are you referring to? The pagan Irish weren’t a literate culture before being Christianised.
Shut up nerd, elves are bawds for BHC
Anime elves are better than your AI slop.
thread over
Toklien children's book Elves are just a shallow imitation of norse, scandinavian and celtic elves. They're basically just gayer looking humans with pointy ears instead of the godly angelic spirits they're meant to be.
Bro....anime sucks 99% of the time. Why you watching that crap? Next thing you'll tell me is that anime catgirls are just cheap imitations of Western cat-human hybrids and are simply meant to create another kinky cosplay-fetish type.
I'll take the new wave of anime elves over rings of power or netflix witcher elves.
>Bro....anime sucks 99% of the time.
Redditor
>real elves
>For some reason, OP chose an AI image for this comparison rather than Galadriel from The Rings of Power, the more famous elf of recent years.
The west has an awful track record for elves in general. LOTR and Hellboy 2 being the only real positive examples. Everything else has been abysmal.
Not to mention some guy, some random dude named Gary Gilgax.
Deedlit was made for.......... Consensual handholding snd headpats.
Gygax elves are trash. DnD is perhaps the worst fantasy ever conceived.
Elaborate please.
We've had 2 DnD movies neither of which had decent elves.
DnD isn't a setting its a rule system. Here is how elves are defined by DnD rules.
Dexterity +2
Shorter than humans. Range from 4'6" to 5'8" on average men and women being the same height
females average 110lbs males average 140lbs
Long life, live around 700 years, become adults at 100
They can see in the dark like a cat
They have acute perception and count as trained in perception skill
They have advantage (roll twice take the higher result) on saving throws against being charmed, and magic can’t put you to sleep.
That's it, that's all DnD has to say about elves. Everything else will be determined by the campaign setting, be that forgotten realms, eberron, greyhawk, darksun, dragonlance, mystara, ect ect. Each will have their own history for elves but mechanically the rules set up above will hold true.
>Shorter than humans
gay, lost me, shit system, dropped, gygax is a hack, dnd was a mistake.
i play my elf as the biggest Black person ever, fricking loser
>rather than Galadriel
I know right!
>from The Rings of Power
ok, shut the frick up now.
>Do people really ok with anything
Is Noldorgay ESL or just severely autistic?
Both
Don’t care Frieren is a really good show and she’s a sexy little twin tailed elf b***h ooo mama
YWNBAE
Elves are just asian appropriation anyway.
Really long hair on the men, silk robes.
Evles can be whatever the frick the writer wants them to be. I like divinity original sin elves that gain memories of the person who's flesh they ate so people hate them for being cannabals.
So does any word, except not, becasue words have meanings
Mythological elves and Santa's helpers are nothing alike, homosexual.
I like goat eared elves more than western style spock eared elves. It makes them more expressive.
seriously why are tranime fans like this?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT HAVE HIGH T AND LIKE MORE THAN ONE GIRL
go back touristtroony
A picture on a piece of paper drawn by some fat alcoholic nip is not a girl
All the characters in your pic look like shit
Normies
I like Yor, Makima, and Frieren, don't give a shit about any of the rest.
Noelle should have been on there, sexy twin tailed little b***h
Frieren isn't waifubait unless you're into autistic grannies.
Marcille on the other hand...
She is still closer to the ideal than what western entertainment is producing these days.
The only media that even comes close to properly portraying the popular conception of elves right is Warhammer. Elves have been so muddied down and badly represented in all fantasy that there basically is no proper depiction of what we think they are because every hack fantasy creator just shoe horns in a homosexual OC race with lame and uninteresting lore and archetypes and just slaps the physical image of an Tolkien-esque elf on top and calls it a day.
>do people really ok
ESL moron
back to your containment boards, troon
>real elves
Whomst've are you quoting?
Anime elves exist to get fricked by orcs
>graceful, noble, otherworldly, beautiful beyond belief, and have a strong connection to the natural world
But this perfectly describes my beautiful autistic wife Frieren.
Why are nerds so obsessed with gatekeeping fictional characters?
It is just one moron who looks in the mirror, sees a brown mutt and projects it on everyone else.
Words have meaning.
It's gatekeeping in the same way grammar is gatekeeping
>someone wrote an elf that isn't my subscribed WRPG headcanon? FRICKING TRASH!
Consider upping your zoloft dosage m8
Frieren is probably the most "elven" elf of modern media adaptations OP, certainly closer to Tolkien than Amazon's slop.
I wish deadlift was my wife
>christ this christ that
who cares
(You)
>AIslop
Good morning saar
So if Christians believe in giants but not in elves, what's their stance on dwarves?
Obviously they thought dwarfs were real. Every so often they'd find a person like pic related and go "oh look a dwarf"
would toss with the two on the right
part of the moronation here is saying “what X believes”. what a peasant in the weald believed, a monk and a nobleman could vary massively, yet they were all christian. same with pre christian religion. you had richard I of england claiming ancestry from a demon dragon woman and peasants thinking goats needed to be held on trial for crimes and be represented by lawyers.
are dwarfs canon?
yes people under 6ft exist
oh I never noticed
Modern fantasy is just commercialized slop. It's all based on D&D or in Japan on Dragon Quest. No one who makes modern fantasy gives a shit about European folklore, most don't even care about Tolkien, Howard, whatever.
And yet Frieren is the closest to a tolkienesque elf that I've seen since Tolkien himself.
The elf on the left looks like an ugly prostitute. Any man who likes women with man jaws, sunken cheeks, and unnaturally sharp cheekbones is a homosexual. That's a man with plastic surgery. Not graceful, noble, or beautiful. Elves aren't real and you're gay.