THR: Warner Bros.’ Quest to Build a Better ‘Aquaman’ Sequel: 3 Reshoots, Two Batmans and Non-Stop Test Screenings
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-reshoots-1235532158/
Another DC Bomb Incoming???
THR: Warner Bros.’ Quest to Build a Better ‘Aquaman’ Sequel: 3 Reshoots, Two Batmans and Non-Stop Test Screenings
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-reshoots-1235532158/
just axe it and let James Gunn do his shit
Frick Gunn. Hope his shit fails too
can someone explain why late-Snyderverse is a shitshow and a nothingfest at the same time?
Oh because you're all shills. Each and everyone of you who just cannot shut the frick up about box office earning are gross.
I didn't even talk about box-office numbers
wtf
Because Harmada and Emmerich are too controlling. They were too controlling on Shazam 2. They were too controlling on The Flash. And they were too controlling on Aquaman 2.
Warner Bros has this obsession with “fixing” the DCEU that don’t need to be fixed and going overboard. Take Shazam 2 for example. While the first movie wasn’t a gangbusters for money, it did have good critic reception. Instead of letting Sandberg do his own thing and build off the good will of the first movie, they interfere and limit what Sandberg can and can’t do (not letting him use Shazam’s villains and forcing him to use OCs). The same is with Aquaman 2. WB thinks they know better than James Wan and as such are constantly overstepping their boundaries and forcing changes.
And people think they won't do the same to Gunn?
Harmada can’t because he was fired/quit.
I’m not sure how much power Emmerich still has though.
Difference is Gunn is the one in power now and both Emmerich/Hamada are out.
DC is now his own thing starting with Superman
But this reboot is too late
Hamada and Emmerich were forced out.
https://deadline.com/2022/06/toby-emmerich-warner-bros-note-to-staff-1235036792/
https://deadline.com/2022/10/dc-films-boss-walter-hamada-warner-discovery-david-zaslav-1235149111/
The catch as everyone pointed out is that the movies people blamed on Zaslav--Shazam 2, Black Adam, Flash--were primarily done under Hamada and Emmerich's watch. Zaslav deserves blame for certain things but this is still primarily on Hamada and Emmerich
You are a Fool, Boco.
Gunn is blessed by the divine providence of America
It's a damn shame cause Shazam and Aquaman are really enjoyable (not just 'good for DCEU' but actually good), Sandberg and Wan didn't deserve this shit
The DCEU getting rebooted is the best thing that could have happened to it
"Overcorrecting" should be the name of Warner at this point. This shit dates back to Suicide Squad that was butchered in the editing room even in the trailers to become three Leto joker scenes tied together by string
Becuase Suits like Johns wanted to be the hero that saved a movie from the directors, the DCEU is shit because producers had been fighting for control over the movies, is all about the bonuses.
they thought Shazam could have performed better if it had more action, so they decided to make Shazam 2 mostly an hour and a half non stop action sequence without all the character stuff that worked in the first movie.
Basically.
I always wonder to what extent people are seriously about this shit, like Snyder isn't partially the whole reason why DC movies are in such a shitty state to begin with.
because instead of making a complete reset they keep investing on what Snyder build.
The problem is what he build only works with this 5 movie idea and not separate ones and even worse only with his dreadful tone.
So you have separate movies that felt disjointed trying to "connect" something that was never there.
It worked with Aquaman , WW and Shazam but after that they just gave carte blanch or everyone to do what they wanted.
Hamada shit plan/Emmerich pettiness , all of that are the result of poor leadership.
Snyder hasn't been involved since 2017 and weirdly the grosses of these movies plummeted immediately after he left with the singular exception of Aquaman. Work BB set to bomb were going on 8 DCEU films with sub-400m grosses.
It's funny because even under Snyder shit was always under-preforming. The DCU has been a giant clusterfrick since day 1.
I don't know, but it's funny the watch the Snyder-hating shills constantly changing the narrative.
>Snyder-hating shills
No such thing, that's just basic humanity.
>I don't know, but it's funny the watch the Snyder-hating shills constantly changing the narrative.
They need to do it. Because Snyder and Nolan are the only good directors DC has ever had.
>Burton and Nolan are the only good directors DC has ever had.
Fixed.
>Donner and Nolan
Fixed that for you friend
Snyder cursed DC the moment his Watchmen film flopped
>Watchmen flopped
lol you're either moronic or trolling
>$150m budget
>grossed $185m
It didn't break even. And no, moron, it didn't make back $35m in profit
>Because Snyder
No. Stop right there, Snydergay.
DCCU is nothing but cope over mid 10's era MCU. And the MCU itself is in bad shape, yet WB thinks it can still "outdo" or "compete with" MCU. It's like the chad who steals your gf is a big disco dancer, so you practice disco moves every night, and then come back when disco is pretty much a dead genre and your gf has moved on from disco stu and even then you still fall on your face trying to dance. What are you even doing at that point but embarrassing yourself? It's clear that movies like Joker work far better than this cinematic universe tripe.
It hasn’t been Snyderverse in years. Just wb making a fool of themselves anytime they aren’t doing Batman and Joker.
And sometime even when they're doing Batman and Joker
It's all the fruit of the poisoned Snyder tree until they reboot.
WB has yet to deal with the erosion of trust from fans and audiences
Memory is a bitter tree that bears crimson fruit, now and in the years to come
It's the fruit of the poisoned Whedon tree.
>pretending BvS isn't what made most people not watch Justice League
It hasn't been the Snyderverse since 2017. This is the remnants of Hamada's plan.
What's it up against in December?
With weak enough competition it might do okay regardless of quality. Wonder if the strike will still be going on - if so it might helpfully avoid any awkward press question regarding Heard. That said seems like the public doesn't care about DC films lately.
No Black manta possession plot, make him the main villain with full control over his actions.
>BRO JUST ADD MORE USELESS CRAP GARBAGE TO PUT IN TRAILERS INSTEAD OF MAKING A GOOD CHARACTER-FOCUSED STORY BRO IT'LL TOTALLY WORK THIS TIME BRO JUST TRUST US BRO
Ah, the old Hollywood method: solve a problem by throwing more money at it.
and now it's biting them back in the ass with the strikes, buyouts and underperforming streaming platforms
ah ok thanks
>underperforming streaming platforms
I don't know where this lie came from. In 2019, before Covid, HBO Max was projected to reach 50 million subscribers by 2024 and by the end of 2022 it had 70 to 73 million subscribers. After the merge Warner-Discovery didn't give concrete numbers but they said they had 95 million streaming subscribers. Discovery+'s last sub count was 10 million so if you take those away that means HBO Max is still ahead of projection with roughly 85 million subscribers. Which means it's retaining the people from the COVID same day stunt. It wasn't a failure. It's performing above expectations.
my bad, I meant I think there's "negative feelings" against streaming platforms with removing contents, merging platforms, ads, more and more competition, literally Cable 2.0 now
I do agree with that, though it's hardly limited to HBO Max. All of these platforms operate in the red anyway. Though HBOMax even before Zaslav rides the line a lot closer towards green then most platforms.
They're performing well largely because of most subscribers being HBO subs via cable/satellite/Hulu/Prime. In other words, they're getting paid not just by consumers but telecoms and other streamers as well.
Most of those accounts come from free giveaways with AT&T phones.
can we get at least one movie without batman?
Uhh...Holy shit.
See
The test audiences were upset that there weren’t enough Skittled advertising or CGI babies.
If the initial project was lukewarm, I doubt anything beyond starting from scratch would lead to a significant improvement. I'm sure someone's career rides on these movies, so gotta throw any amount of money to fix this thing.
To be fair, the test screeners that hated Aquaman 2 also loved Shazam 2, The Flash, and Blue Beetle. All movies that bombed and were hated.
Maybe WB should stop using Test Screenings.
Excuse me Blue Beetle is not out until the 18th it can still be good. It survived a content purge of cancelled finished and unfinished projects so I have faith in it.
It is going to bomb. Like every other DC movie.
That doesn't mean it will be bad.
>batman fascist
Frick off back to Mexico
Here come the Warner Bros shills to defend their dying company. At least Zaslav is paying them good.
>post a fact
>uhh shill!!
the absolute state of this moron
>It survived a content purge of cancelled finished and unfinished projects
So did The Flash.
That probably just means they spent too much money on it to cancel it.
It was still filming when the other projects were shelved and they moved it from streaming to cinemas. It was a low budget streaming movie they didn't spend too much on it. This was an easy tax write-off they decided to release in theaters.
>so I have faith in it.
I'm betting it's swharbage. But let me know if it kicks ass.
>Why not have a little confidence in James Wan to make another hit, since he delivered such a big one the first time around?
Because of the other shitty WB movies. But we'll see.
It may take a shot in the nuts, but broadway and paris balet are still around.
Wherever the money goes. Maybe fractions of a cent streaming short form as poor as frick africans try to hit on the exact ai prompt needed to get traction. People will want to watch shit.
Blue Beetle will bomb and latinxs will take another L.
Shazam 2 is good
Except for the main character, who is shit.
...
And the villains, who are even worse shit.
Oh and the story, also shit.
Other than that it's just great!
Diedrich Bader is in it, that alone makes it at least a 6/10
He didn't even do anything. He shows up and immediately dies five minutes later.
It was even worse than Shazam 1, which was garbage.
The Flash wasn't bad. Blue Beetle will probably be watchable. The issue is no one likes DC anymore.
I think Warner needs to give up all their hopes and dreams of anything outside of things like Joker or The Batman making them MCU-level money. They need to make their budgets much smaller for the B and C level DC characters.
>Two Batmans
Is that a joke?
For a while, Michael Keaton would have replaced Ben Affleck as the main Batman. Scenes were shot with both actors in case the Flash movie decided to switch the actor.
It gets worse.
Per the article, the filmmakers of Blue Beetle asked for two additional shooting days back in February. WB said no.
HBOmax is profitable
Disney+ is not
just an interesting tibit
For like one quarter.
Expect it to go back to red next quarter.
No one is getting Netflix money.
>non-stop test screenings
>studio has faith in the movie
What a load of bull. This is turd polishing at this point (no, I'm not taking a jab at Mera, I don't care if she's in it or not.)
If anyone involved in this had any hint of artistic vision, they wouldn't do endless test screenings like this.
When Joker was test screened, the audience response was that the movie was "scary and nasty." Imagine if the suits decided that meant they needed to tone that movie down.
DC at the start of the year when asked how many of their upcoming films they would like to bomb:
People actually liked the first aquaman. Smartest thing you can do is take out all the connective stuff and just make a standard sequel.
Once Blue Beatle comes out and they start to advertise this people are going to see it. Not as much as the first one but no where near as bad as the flash.
>Smartest thing you can do is take out all the connective stuff and just make a standard sequel.
And... they're going to frick it up massively.
NO PUSSY ITS NOT GONNA BOMB DICKHEAD
>dang this story about Aquaman doing his thing (more or less) worked pretty good
>how can we find a way to shoehorn Batman into it
Holy frick WB go eat his dick already Jesus Christ
Yeah didn't the first movie gross well over a billion dollars? And I remember enjoying it, everything once Arthur and Mera get to the Trench is a nonstop amusement park ride. Why not have a little confidence in James Wan to make another hit, since he delivered such a big one the first time around?
Yeah, I thought the first one was a very solid and fun time without feeling like it was aping the MCU.
Plus Wan has a pretty good track record, starting several lucrative horror franchises and doing one of the better FF movies.
Seems weird that they didn't just let him cook. But that's WB for you.
iirc leakers always been saying this one is a awful. I mean, with Blacked Adam, Shazam and Flash they claimed the test screening got okayish to great results, when in fact they were just varying degrees of bad. Makes you wonder what kind of turd WB is cooking.
Its not funny anymore, it's just sad.
The biggest problem WBD will face is that these movies and Gunn's reboot will be in such close proximity, that the stench will carry over. They will hang on like stubborn dingleberries, as vexing as a repeating fraction is for a calculator.
WB had an opportunity to close the book on Snyderverse when they let him finish his Justice League. That was the closure his fans needed. Yet they soldiered on with one bloated CGI clusterfrick after another.
I actually liked Gunn's Suicide Squad, and what happened to it was a shame. There's no reason not to think that history will repeat itself. WBD should have cancelled everything and given people a breather, some time to forget this mess.
>WB had an opportunity to close the book on Snyderverse when they let him finish his Justice League. That was the closure his fans needed. Yet they soldiered on with one bloated CGI clusterfrick after another.
You don't understand, the CGI clusterfricks were already in development prior to the release of the Snydercut, and the people in charge of WB didn't even want to release Zack Snyder's Justice League. They were stubborn about wanting to get rid of most of the Snyderverse and reboot to have a more diverse DCU (but with Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman as the new trinity).
The Aquaman 2 Keaton cameo was done when they expected Aquaman 2 to be released following The Flash, which would've had Keaton becoming the DCEU Batman going forward
Then somehow things changed and they decided to have Aquaman 2 take place before Flash and filmed Ben Affleck in the cameo instead
And now they're getting rid of it because of the huge clusterfrick
If they took back Snyder they'd still be making billions off these movies.
They didn't start making billions until they fired his ass. And the recent DC movie that did numerous callbacks to the Snyderverse flopped hard
Aquaman was literally the only movie that made a billion throughout the entire DCEU moron
We're really going to see Hollywood die, aren't we? Studio after studio feels like it's in a death spiral, and that was BEFORE both the writers and the actors went on strike.
I don't give a shit about Hollywood, I want the Bat dead
Good riddance, Hollywood's been almost nothing but mediocre shit since the 2010s.
Hollywood will never die, it'll just go through another New Hollywood phase.
That implies that aspiring filmmakers/actors/writers will make as much money as generations before them did in the past. The rock-bottom residuals in streaming, plus the fact that the profit ceiling for streaming has been hit (Netflix saw massive sub growth this quarter and their stock is still falling because they missed revenue targets) has rendered that impossible.
The real money always came from theatrical/TV/home video, and still does....and there's a good chance all three will be gone in the next ten years. Then what?
Plus conglomerates going after Netflix valuations ignoring that Trashflix's investor base is full of robot-humping techbro filth.
If Barbie does very well Greta Gerwig better hope she has good lawyers because being a box office success is no longer a guarantee WB won't interfere with your sequel.
Just put it on HBOMax
I found Aquaman better than Wonder Woman, the strong female movie which where she did nothing but get mansplained and fight the worst DC villain, and then it turned out WW2 and the holocaust would have been caused by an evil god and not mankind, and didn't happen without him.
Yeah frick this movie, but Turning Red ignoring 9/11 is worse right.
I don't like Wonder Woman either but you're complaining about imaginary things
>Leaves studio
>Immediately collapses under its own weight
Why does he keep haunting them bros.
He was the pilot who crashed the plane with no survivors
Who did we find out was behind the """grassroots""" campaign to release the Snyder cut? Was it WB or Snyder himself?
Snyder is the ultimate boogeyman and scapegoat for these people. This despite the fact that DC was thriving under him and it didn't start to fall apart until after he left.
>DC was thriving under him
It fricking wasn't. The MCU was beating the DCEU in everything while Snyder was on front.
>It fricking wasn't. The MCU was beating the DCEU in everything while Snyder was on front.
The MCU was doing better because it had been building for longer. But the DCEU was growing faster than the MCU.
It was going faster but it was growing.
>But the DCEU was growing faster than the MCU
Except the budgets were huge and the movies weren't performing in a way that justified spending so much money (Wonder Woman being an exception since it was way cheaper than the Snydershit). It's why WB got pissed off that Snyder couldn't deliver a billion dollar grosser with more famous characters than the MCU heroes.
You fricking moron look at what Sneeder used as budget. The return money was pathetic in comparison.
I sincerely hope this isn't just trolling. It's so rare to see a real, honest-to-God old-school delusional Snydergay.
>thriving under him
snydertards are the most moronic revisionist in the world
BVS is the biggest joke in all capeshit
I dont blame WB for panicking with Snyder but what they did was beyond moronic.
>BVS is the biggest joke in all capeshit
Every single movie under Gunn has been worse than anything produced under Snyder. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
>Every single movie under Gunn
>all of those are Hamada projects
the absolute STATE of snydertards
why even bothering with BVS apologist at this point lmao
Gunn is literally responsible for editing and green-lighting these movies. He admits to it in the fricking Tweet.
But keep your head in the sand. DC without Snyder will collapse.
Giving notes it's not editing. One person does not edit a whole movie, less four of them.
for your own sanity i hope rebel moon is good. You are beyond gone
You'll break the day Superman: Legacy's box office numbers are in.
Rebel Moon trailer looks solid. Better than anything Gunn has made.
When you're expecting shit, anything that isn't shit is a step up. I just hope his superman isn't a goofy manchild like peacemaker or starlord.
I wish someone else would direct the movie to be honest.
None of those movies were done under Gunn. The Guardians trilogy however was done under Gunn.
>Mouseshill
Go back.
Not my fault he worked for Marvel.
He worked for DC too, and Suicide Squad is still one of the biggest flops they've had. And no one ever gave a shit about his other dogshit projects.
He also did the only MCU movie that wasn't a flop this year. This year, not back in 2013 when Snyder was building the DCEU.
They were all flops.
Although not as big of flops as the DC movies that were edited and personally recommended by Gunn himself.
>Man in charge of studio releasing an incredibly expensive film says film is good and people should go watch it
Wow, I can't believe it.
I thought you said he wasn't in charge of it. But now he is? Select your narrative mate.
on a scale of 1 to you, but somehow more moronic, how moronic are you?
GotG 3 wasn't a flop. Same as Spider-Verse or Mario.
SV and Mario were animation.
GotG3 flopped.
Quantumania flopped.
Who the literal shit gives a frick about box office numbers? I don't work for WB, I don't give a shit if they lose money. I liked the movie.
>NOOO NUMBERS DON'T MATTER
Fricking seethe man
None of those were Gunn, but if you honestly think that something like Shazam 2 was worse than shit like BvS and Sewerslide Skwad, legitimately just fricking have a nice day.
>Hollywood is back!
Is this delusion? Disney and WB are floundering, animation is dead, and movie theaters are running empty shows. The writer’s/actor’s strike will lead to production droughts, a staggering drop in the quality of tv and films, and likely lead to the death the indie scene if successful. Maybe it’s hopeless anyway, no one can write a story anymore.
>This despite the fact that DC was thriving under him
lol? They were being fricking buried by the MCU and desperate to get off the ground with their own cinematic universe and nothing they did managed to build up the kind of hype the early marvel stuff had.
>WHY DO YOU KEEP BLAMING THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING UP THE FRANCHISE
Snyder hasn't been running the show for 6 years mate. The failure isn't on him.
You can't blame the guy not working for the company anymore for its failure.
I would blame whoever was in charge of setting the foundations even if that guy was Raimi, Whedon or Nolan if he did such an awful job.
You'll still convince yourself that it's Snyder's fault when Superman: Legacy flops.
Yes, he fricked up MOS and introduced a Superman audiences despise. Anyone trying to work with that is doomed.
>You'll still convince yourself that it's Snyder's fault if Superman: Legacy flops.
Are you moronic? He set the foundation and fricked it up so badly that everyone after him is desperately trying to make something with his shit. They're stuck with what he did and the tone he set.
It collapsed because it's built on his foundation of shit and WB doesn't have the balls to cut their losses and start over. Snyder doomed the franchise from the start.
I'm sure all the reshoots and changes in command will make it a better movie!
Warner Bros missed their calling as a munitions manufacturer for the US military with all the bombs they've been making.
>But muh Pissmaker
No one watched it.
sneeder like his cult cannot go their failures go
i am glad snyderverse is dead because it makes tons of people suicidal including sneeder himself. If Rebel moon ends as a joke is going to be amazing. I really want it to be good but after AOTD i am 100% sure its going to be a disaster only praised by cultist.
>it makes tons of people suicidal including sneeder himself.
If only.
did you see the full circle stream? he still cannot let it go lmao
I would never voluntarily watch something featuring Snyder.
Snyder is the only man who can write Superman. Because he genuinely understands Superman.
The moment these snakes realize that Gunn can't write him they'll slither away into nothingness and come out pretending they always supported Snyder.
The moment Gunn fired Cavill was the moment everyone realized he's incompetent. Don't watch his movies. Just let them fade into forgotten history where they deserve to be.
Guy on the right looks like a Gunn actor. Probably fricks his butthole.
>Because he genuinely understands Superman.
i feel bad for Cinemaphile because the sneder nest is there
I don't
Frick Cinemaphile
Post yfw when the Gunnverse flops
Mera died on her way to her home planet.