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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    So this guy self inserts himself as a main character?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the femme fatale is taller than the MC
      Wouldn’t you?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        the guy who did this is obviously a furry.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          No shit

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but only because of that

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok but why do we care?
    >its bad
    >you dont like it
    >its made by a literal-who
    >its indie which means we dont have to hear about it if we dont wanna
    why post it then? i dont come here telling you guys what a dogshit picture my 5 year old niece drew, do i? leave it

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You don't understand, OP has to get his daily (you) fix

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's bad
      >We don't like it
      We had a thread when the pilot first came out and we LAUDED it, the frick are you on about?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        post archive link or it didn't happen

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sigh
    *unzips

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/detective-cat-animated-pilot-series
    Looks great judging by the creator's indiegogo page.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >asking for $40k
      >raised $2,845
      >campaign closed
      why are we talking about this?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        OP is a schizo with a massive hate boner for some literal who

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Those are called vendetta-chains. Weird to see one outside /cgl/.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I appreciate the guy's enthusiasm and he clearly has some talent but the early 90's cartoons esthetic and lack of creativity make me want to retch.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        One again needs to ask, who is the audience? Who is supposed to show this on what platform? You cannot just go out and try to waste time making a pseudo-mid 90s Nick/Kids WB looking show if there is no one to watch it or have an interest in it.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Creators like him think we're the audience. Like that's somehow going to get him his adoring praise and a successful career. They want to be a messiah to judgemental contrarian animation nerds and are too blinded by their own egos to see the madness of their desire. We b***h and moan about the state of the animation industry sure but trying to appeal to us so blatantly is a huge mistake. No bills for shills.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If I had a product to shill, I’d just come here for honest to god criticism. Not this attention-seeking bullshit because I want my shit to actually be good.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Anyone coming here also needs to have an understanding of the culture around this place. Half the replies are going to be insults and people making fun of it. There is no point in expecting nothing but pure praise no matter what they are showing off.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It reminds me too much of Benthelooney.

        Pure cringe.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        The "toon" style of the Spielberg shows and the later Disney Afternoon shows is so, so ugly. It makes me irrationally angry. Too much stuff trying to recapture Roger Rabbit's lighning in a bottle.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    This another one of Carrozza's low effort pitches?

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh my god it's this. The creator of this came to Cinemaphile to shill the trailer and had a meltdown.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Found it in all it's salty goodness.
      https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/131751388
      I love how indignant he gets over the other more compelling cat detective show idea.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not the creator of the show....but here is some inside information on how the show will be made

        ...how did he not really see this playing out in his head?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          It took him like 17 replies before breaking down and raging.

          Which is ironic since Charles Moss also has never worked on a production in his life either so the argument of
          >You never worked in animation
          really holds no weight at all

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the other more compelling cat detective show idea
        I found both that guy and Charlie to be full of themselves. He was just begging drawgays for art of his hollow furry coom and taking advantage of Charlie's sperg attack to get it.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >begging drawgays for art of his hollow furry coom and taking advantage of Charlie's sperg attack to get it.
          I respect the hustle. I would have gone The Thin Man route myself.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's compelling because of the barely covered cat boobs

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136782494/

        Why the frick are cartoon creators like this on Cinemaphile? Like do they not understand that shameless plugging their shit and then getting SUPER defensive about their cartoon does not work at all when it comes to Cinemaphile board culture? Like making a thread to shill your stuff is already bad but to take criticism with such impotent rage is only ever going to make people hate a work regardless of it being justified. It's not like it's even hard to shill your stuff right, hell people love OC here, you just have to not force it on people and take criticism with a level head.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you present a new show here properly? Just post a threat saying “new show?”

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you have to be subtle about it. If you want to share your cartoon then find an already existing thread where it would be appropriate to share. The most appropriate ones are obviously ones showcasing indie animation but you could also share based on content. Like say you have a cartoon about aliens, share it in a thread discussing scifi cartoons. It's really not that hard. Just don't create a thread dedicated to your shit yourself. If your content is good enough someone will make a thread of it themselves and then you can jump into that.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              You don't. If the cartoon is good enough someone else will make a thread.

              I don't know what these anons are talking about. You can shill your cartoon in its own thread as long as you're polite and you don't get offended at criticism.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds like a great way to grow it organically.

              My main problem with this show is how, for lack of better words, cringe and tryhard everything is. From the humor, to the influence, to the voice acting of the titular character, everything just feels like a DeviantArt kid trying to make it in the entertainment industry not so nicely

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >trailer of this pitch mentions "boundary breaking" and a return to "animation" which is literally a golden rosed patriotic view of 50-60's animation, which in turn has already been succeeded by literally anime out of all things.
                >it's just literally your generic in-cartoon show featuring some of the most boring tropes in a reused setup done by billions of cartoons before it.

                If he badly wants to make it. The ship has already sailed literally decades ago. Nobody isn't interested in that show. This homosexual clearly doesn't give a shit about current animation. Just a fetishy wankery over a decades old style that has fallen out of relevancy many decades ago for good reasons.

                >but-but Cuphead!
                That shit is just a literal novelty, and is successful because it's a video game and by that alone. The animation process came with extremely slim profit margins and would've sent the team into homelessness if it didn't succeed without Microsoft.

                pic related (somehow) getting two full seasons convinced a lot of the most uninspired and creativity-averse "cartoonists" out there that they have a shot in the industry.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                The thing is that Mighty Magiswords at least has the appearance of being marketable what with the fact it's about a variety of Magic Swords. That's the kind of shit an executive eats up as being marketable from a toy line side of things

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                What did Freakazoid call it? Toyetic?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                The thing is that Mighty Magiswords at least has the appearance of being marketable what with the fact it's about a variety of Magic Swords. That's the kind of shit an executive eats up as being marketable from a toy line side of things

                Yeah it was based around a hard push for the CN App where kids interact with the shows. I think they had it so a qr code would pop up and the kids would collect a sword. It's not a bad idea on principle, reminds me of those old games where you'd scan scanbars for different monsters. But the show itself just wasn't entertaining and I feel like that concept would go better with something like a Pokemon ripoff.....but at the same time they'd totally given up on action shows.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Getting Arin Hanson must’ve been the death knell

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't. If the cartoon is good enough someone else will make a thread.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, I’d rather have it grow as organically as possible. Posting a budding show on a relevant thread seems like the best compromise.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I’d rather have it grow as organically as possible
                Advertising it directly is the opposite of that.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I said as organically AS POSSIBLE. What you also need to realize is some things need help with getting advertised.

                Like with Earthbound. That game was a cult classic because the advertising was terrible

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >trailer of this pitch mentions "boundary breaking" and a return to "animation" which is literally a golden rosed patriotic view of 50-60's animation, which in turn has already been succeeded by literally anime out of all things.
        >it's just literally your generic in-cartoon show featuring some of the most boring tropes in a reused setup done by billions of cartoons before it.

        If he badly wants to make it. The ship has already sailed literally decades ago. Nobody isn't interested in that show. This homosexual clearly doesn't give a shit about current animation. Just a fetishy wankery over a decades old style that has fallen out of relevancy many decades ago for good reasons.

        >but-but Cuphead!
        That shit is just a literal novelty, and is successful because it's a video game and by that alone. The animation process came with extremely slim profit margins and would've sent the team into homelessness if it didn't succeed without Microsoft.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cuphead succeeded because the creators painstakingly drew each character frame and lived like they WERE homeless.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            And what does this homosexual have on them? Not talent, obviously

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pain doesn't make it a success, dumbfrick.

            Go back to school and learn some fricking business and marketing.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and is successful because it's a video game and by that alone.
          No one would've cared about Cuphead if it didn't have that style, though. It would just be seen as another forgettable run-of-the-mill indie game.
          I think you're missing the forest for the trees here, the real problem is that the guy doesn't have the talent to emulate that style so it comes off as amateurish. Look at this shit

          >the very first word out of his mouth
          >he’s already insufferable
          No wonder he’s making this hate thread. What a cheap-ass tactic for a cheap-ass production

          it looks like it's made in MS paint, if the Cuphead guys made their game look like that no one would've cared either.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Everything about ti just openly advertises his inexperience. A first glance shows that this is someone who has never really worked on any major productions and is about the same level as some 14 year old tumblr artist claiming their idea is going to be a show some day.

          There is no real target for this, no demographic, no audience, no interest base at all to work with here. Who is this made for? I'm sure the OP never once thought about it and assumed it will just attract one because it's entertainment
          What is the basis for it? Is it adapting stylings or ideas from some old film series? So far it looks like no character has any actual depth or description to them at all. It also smells of childish idea guy when each character has the traits, personality and faults as
          >Is Detective
          >Is Mexican
          >Is Woman
          You need to define everything about a character, their likes, dislikes, what they do
          What is a typical episode? Can the OP even make a professional two sentence long elevator pitch?

          All of these things are the earliest concepts of any production, long LONG before we even get around to does OP even know the production pipeline? Because one is not going to have a damn thing made if they know nothing about that. When their ideas have nothing but holes in them, the answer is very likely no, they have no idea what that is.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think the pitch was detective cat’s personality and “zany” antics but it’s already grating the second he speaks and moves. Damn.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Animaniacs doesn't get enough shit for inspiring a generation of toon autists who have this shallow, deconstructive mindset about cartoons.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Somehow I don't think a guy in a suit and tie is really all that "zany" his design betrays the intention. And the fact that he apparently has a job too, it just does not really fit the description.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Checked. I don’t know what the best description is for this, but I want to call it “theatre kid hamming up the acting while being “self-aware” to look cool”.

                Animaniacs doesn't get enough shit for inspiring a generation of toon autists who have this shallow, deconstructive mindset about cartoons.

                Most autists forget that Animaniacs, while rarely ever funny, told jokes with setups however weak they may be. Like that one episode they stalked the Dalai Lama to as a stupid question about hotdog packaging

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I hated those kind of episodes so fricking much.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Understandable. I call them “harass the celebrity” episodes where they bother societally important people.

                how did suit vests become such an immediately recognizable 'theater kid' staple?

                Because it’s the easiest thing for them to wear that’s “fancy”.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                how did suit vests become such an immediately recognizable 'theater kid' staple?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh good, I wasn’t the only one who felt like the main character was less “kooky and funny” and more “so annoying I want him to not be the main character”

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Earlier in the thread, someone said he sounds like Zap Brannigan and I’m starting to hear it myself. Imagine an entire cartoon told by Zap Brannigan after watching the Animaniacs.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meanwhile 50s-60s era is considered one of the worst times for the medium when budgets were slashed everywhere and they made mostly forgettable shit.

          >and is successful because it's a video game and by that alone.
          No one would've cared about Cuphead if it didn't have that style, though. It would just be seen as another forgettable run-of-the-mill indie game.
          I think you're missing the forest for the trees here, the real problem is that the guy doesn't have the talent to emulate that style so it comes off as amateurish. Look at this shit [...] it looks like it's made in MS paint, if the Cuphead guys made their game look like that no one would've cared either.

          Not really no, Cuphead imitates the 1930s era of overdone, hugely expensive era of animation that the industry has tried to make a renaissance return to a couple times in history now, due to the fact that it was such a successful era with some of the highest quality work ever made. Meanwhile the 1960s is considered the era of animation going into the shitter and not to return to any level of prominence until the late 80s.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If a creator comes here just to have a meltdown, they deserve all the vitriol.

      Slylock Fox is infinitely better, if the creator comes here.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Found it in all it's salty goodness.
      https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/131751388
      I love how indignant he gets over the other more compelling cat detective show idea.

      https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136782494/

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Charles, did you really come here to somewhat backdoor grab attention to your pilot?

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought this was a Kyle Whatshisname idea, like....what is that name? Did he even try?

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >femboy pixies
    what

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're not even femmy enough

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the main character such a weird color?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's the same color film subtitles are. You know, that deep muted yellow that they universally decided subtitles should be, because it always stands out, because of how rare it is in actual film, because of how visually unappealing it is. That color.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like a knockoff of Kyle Carozza's knockoff of John K's style. It's a knockoff of a knockoff.

    Which is itself a knockoff of Harveytoons early 50s stuff.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Another
    Do we really have that many? Nothing comes to mind besides Lackadaisy.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the very first word out of his mouth
    >he’s already insufferable
    No wonder he’s making this hate thread. What a cheap-ass tactic for a cheap-ass production

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we have Cats Don't Dance at home

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Precisely

        Pain doesn't make it a success, dumbfrick.

        Go back to school and learn some fricking business and marketing.

        >Pain doesn't make it a success,
        >dumbfrick.
        Ain’t ghat the truth. At least they were rewarded for their pain this time.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      that cartoon cat detective from Last Action Hero mogs the hell out of this guy

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This guy would job to Ace Hart so hard.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I smell a death battle

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wanna see the incredible adventures of that woman's humongous bazongos

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is he voicing his own trailer

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He sounds like Zap Brannigan. I dkn’t want to watch a show starring Zap Brannigan but not funny.

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >”Hey, you don’t know me most likely, but please give me money for me to make a webcomic/pilot I can easily make for free just cause, okay?”
    Many such cases. Do these people not realize the breakout crowdfunding hits happened because there was either already a product or because the organizer was someone who was already known for something and trusted to finish it?

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    My anthro autism cartoon is better because they are sexy in a weird way

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Charl, is that you?

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >inflation rape dingos
    Where?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136782494/

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh…that’s a lot more interesting than detective cat

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm genuinely curious what his plan is now. The protagonist of his children's cartoon is openly associated with the word "rape", can he still pitch it?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          How did Rebecca Sugar get away with shota porn and still make SU?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            People are gonna say "because she's female" but Camtoonist is black so he should have similar privileges

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because people didn’t start flipping shit about that til the last few years. She was already established by then. It seems like people generally started getting way less upset about real life pedophiles and more antsy about drawing around 2019/20 after the whole Epstein thing happened- I’m sure that’s all just a coincidence though!

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              You do realize people that draw children in sexual acts find children attractive. That is the definition of a pedophile. lemme guess you jerl off to e-girl and think its fine don't you pedophile?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never said it was a good thing? Just that it’s concerning how people broadly care much more about the ages of cartoon characters than they do about the (still ongoing!) network of pedo blackmailers pulling the strings of America’s government and entertainment industry and financial sector, which to me seems like a much bigger deal.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            She was underage when she drew it.
            The characters were so ugly no one sees them human let alone a child. She also shared the art with the creator who laugh at it so the media could only see it as an off-color joke.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm genuinely curious what his plan is now.
          >implying he had a real plan to begin with

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well his plan seemed to be
            >crowdfund expenses
            >get pilot done
            >show pilot to networks

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        No harm done, that's life.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Benny "if she screams fill her to the seams" Dingo

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Benny "pump up the jam til she goes KERBLAM" Dingo

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    what a shame
    it might've been fun to draw the femme fatale as a pedo a few times

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you draw?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Draw something Mr. Drawman. Draw Charles literally malding (mad and balding)

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah i'm not gonna waste my time on a dead pilot

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              K, then just draw whatever you want. I just want to know your artstyle

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The designs are okay, but the color pallettes for these characters seem strange, especially for some of the other characters shown on the indiegogo page

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are independent creators so creatively bankrupt?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pride.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think Boxtown could actually be good. I at least want to see the pilot. Whatever this shit is that OP posted? Not so much.

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    stop making low effort cartoon pitches challenge: Failed

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    why... just why... why would someone with so much animation talent do something so stupid and double down on it... fricking why

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sunken Cost fallacy probably. I'm still holding onto ideas I came up with years ago. If I genuinely put blood sweat and tears into them, you bet I'd never let go on trying to make it work.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      What confuses me is why he went for making content for kids instead of doing animated inflation porn commissions. He could be making bank, modern kids cartoons are unprofitable enough without him being dumb enough to root the pitch in fetish porn. And he doesn't seem to understand how to make a kids cartoon beyond the visual aesthetic, Benny Dingo looks good but it's empty and meandering. There's no hook. This post about DC

      Everything about ti just openly advertises his inexperience. A first glance shows that this is someone who has never really worked on any major productions and is about the same level as some 14 year old tumblr artist claiming their idea is going to be a show some day.

      There is no real target for this, no demographic, no audience, no interest base at all to work with here. Who is this made for? I'm sure the OP never once thought about it and assumed it will just attract one because it's entertainment
      What is the basis for it? Is it adapting stylings or ideas from some old film series? So far it looks like no character has any actual depth or description to them at all. It also smells of childish idea guy when each character has the traits, personality and faults as
      >Is Detective
      >Is Mexican
      >Is Woman
      You need to define everything about a character, their likes, dislikes, what they do
      What is a typical episode? Can the OP even make a professional two sentence long elevator pitch?

      All of these things are the earliest concepts of any production, long LONG before we even get around to does OP even know the production pipeline? Because one is not going to have a damn thing made if they know nothing about that. When their ideas have nothing but holes in them, the answer is very likely no, they have no idea what that is.

      strongly applies to BD too.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        My guess is that he went for the kids' show angle because he unironically believed there is nothing wrong in basing one of the main characters on a porn artist's rape gremlin species.

        I'm reading the archived thread and one anon hit the nail right in the head when he mentioned how a lot of people with these not outwardly explicit fetishes, either voluntarily or involuntarily, get off on purposefully deceiving the general public and "corrupting" others into becoming attracted to it. I have one of those fetishes and the communities for said things are fricking insufferable because it's either buttholes playing coy or complete fricking imbiciles who actually bought the propaganda, like that dingo guy.

        That said, if I'm allowed to get more serious, I genuinely think it's just a facet of a much broader issue. Erotica (and most media really) has a really bad fricking problem with non-consensual actions being depicted and encouraged. For example, notice how much fetish shit is characters being fattened/inflated/tickled/etc. against their will, even though the purpose of the piece isn't to cater to a rape fetish). Or for a more normie example, look at how many romance novels and self-insert fanfiction involve the female character getting sexually abused by the domineering chad male lead and it's not treated as creepy because the guy is hot and has money.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I believe most non-con shit is latent guilt or shame manifesting as part of the kink. Feigning you're not into it absolves you of responsibility for partaking. It's not your fault, you're totally a normal sane person who doesn't want it, it's entirely on the pervert having his or her way with you. Or maybe I'm overthinking it and rape is just hardwired from our caveman days because it was the most efficient way to make babies and it keeps translating across fetishes that have nothing to do with breeding.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or it's just fricked up individuals.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't seem to understand how to make a kids cartoon beyond the visual aesthetic, Benny Dingo looks good but it's empty and meandering. There's no hook.
        Benny Dingo was kinda eye-opening for me since it made me realize you can be extremely talented at art yet still creatively bankrupt. Makes me feel slightly better about being an idea guy/writer, I'm not totally worthless to a production.

        • 8 months ago
          Camtoonist Productions

          Well, I'm a firm believer that creativity can be shared or implemented in different ways. There's nothing wrong with getting inspiration for something from a pre existing source.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't just the fact he used someone else's character design. Benny Dingo is a dulled down retread of oversaturated cliches with pacing like molasses, carried only by its nostalgic artstyle. The plot and characters are cute and wholesome but just not standout interesting. It's not cleverly written. Windows of opportunity to do something funny or creative are constantly missed, like in the first minute of Up a Tree. His alarm wakes him up, he gets dressed and brushes his teeth. None of these sequences are funny or memorable, they're just very plain, straight forward things that happen.

            Compare that to 1 minute of Jimmy Neutron

            Benny Dingo is full of scenes where very plain, straight forward things and conversations happen, despite marketing itself like a loveletter or return to 90s toon culture. I've watched Up a Tree and Cookies several times by now and they are still so forgettable, the only reason I even remember Benny's name is because of Camtoonist making an ass of himself and turning the character into a meme. Don't you think there's a reason why people keep mistaking it for a toddler show and not a family show? I mean come on, Benny literally learns a moral about friendship at the end. Up a Tree and especially Cookies have the vibe of something like Paw Patrol, sure at least with soulful 2D animation instead of soullessly cheap and efficient CGI, but there's not much enjoyment anyone older could get out of it other than admiring the pretty animation if it was cleaned up and finished. Benny Dingo is a poorly thought out, bare bones pitch. It doesn't know who it wants to speak to, it doesn't really have anything to say at all. Its only unique selling point is the animation style since fluid traditional frame by frame is hard to come by in the modern era. It's an impressive portfolio piece to show off his technical skills but it is not TV show material.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's always a pretty dreadful sign when something can be compared unfavorably to Jimmy Neutron.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              I just realized they edited that bathroom scene for the Jimmy Neutron intro, he screams when he gets the mohawk hair instead

  25. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Someday when the right independent project comes out I'm gonna make a fake shill thread and lash out at anons so that the person will have to deal with that for the next couple of years on top of having to work on the cartoon at the same time making that whole time period shitty for them hahahaha lol screencap this

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You think anyone at Cinemaphile holds that much power?

      Sunken Cost fallacy probably. I'm still holding onto ideas I came up with years ago. If I genuinely put blood sweat and tears into them, you bet I'd never let go on trying to make it work.

      Shit, same.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Call me optimistic but I'm pretty sure the Detective Cat thread was fake and the OP just did exactly this. Could've been the bathing suit cat guy's plan all along.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      People already tried this with Lackadaisy and Murder Drones. It didn’t work.

  26. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m not going to claim to be some expert on the business, but I think most of these creatives who want to make their own cartoon are better off starting with a comic.
    They’re relatively cheaper and faster to make (especially webcomics), it doesn’t require these big teams (anywhere from one person to a few friends), and it’s a good way to build up both skills and an audience, and in the most successful cases, get bigger companies to notice.
    It might not let the creator have as much bargaining power than if they made the animation themselves, but I imagine it’s still better than pitching it to a studio.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seen this recommended to a bunch of would be animators over the years and they never take it well. Like it’s beneath them or something.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick them, they’re beneath the industry anyway.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      H-how do you shill your webcomic?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post it on Cinemaphile while lying about not being the creator

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        /hyw/

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Another thing is that comic skills make you good at pacing and storyboarding. A lot of amateurs who jump straight into animation are awful at those.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seen this recommended to a bunch of would be animators over the years and they never take it well. Like it’s beneath them or something.

      I feel like that sentiment stems from the fact that a lot of these wannabe animator/showrunner types come from some kind of industry history or are prospective to joining the industry (if not are just outright delusional) so they probably do think it's beneath them. They want to be the big boy Alex Hirsch/Pendleton Wards of the next generation, but they want to do it without the networking skills that springboarded the former or the existing body of work of the latter.
      Look at

      Why are independent creators so creatively bankrupt?

      as a perfect example, it was a crowdfunding attempt that's biggest selling point was famous VAs (and Hirsch) attached to it being lead by a guy who has some industry experience, sure, but has no body of work of his own that isn't twee "haha adulting is hard and everything sucks!!!" vent comics. I don't doubt he has the skills to at least get a pilot up and running, but he wants to do the whole studio setup route with him as the auteur essentially and. Nobody knows who the frick this guy is, and thus nobody actually put money down for it.
      Webcomics require you to not only invest your time, but to do it for free essentially if you want it to reach anyone. They're not glamorous little projects you can pay people to do and sit back as the bossman and watch the magic happen, you need to put in the effort to make something good, be front facing when your readership says it sucks or get obsessive over it, advertise it to hell and back and actively keep a healthy updating pace if you don't want the thing to get anemic and die off unceremoniously. It's hard work, is what I'm saying, and it's hard work without the benefits of working for someone like a studio (and not to mention little to no money is involved at the start if you're still paying off your student debts like the Boxtown guy 100% is wew)

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you need to put in the effort to make something good
        How can you say this while shit like Bittersweet Candy Bowl exists?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wew. I mean, most of the time, the effort will show off if you're actively trying to make something good. I can't help you when it comes to slow burn will-they, won't-they shit that half the readerbase are mind broken to still keep up on if they fricking hate.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            *even if they fricking hate it

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Someone’s gotta be jerking their bean to that

          [...]
          I feel like that sentiment stems from the fact that a lot of these wannabe animator/showrunner types come from some kind of industry history or are prospective to joining the industry (if not are just outright delusional) so they probably do think it's beneath them. They want to be the big boy Alex Hirsch/Pendleton Wards of the next generation, but they want to do it without the networking skills that springboarded the former or the existing body of work of the latter.
          Look at [...] as a perfect example, it was a crowdfunding attempt that's biggest selling point was famous VAs (and Hirsch) attached to it being lead by a guy who has some industry experience, sure, but has no body of work of his own that isn't twee "haha adulting is hard and everything sucks!!!" vent comics. I don't doubt he has the skills to at least get a pilot up and running, but he wants to do the whole studio setup route with him as the auteur essentially and. Nobody knows who the frick this guy is, and thus nobody actually put money down for it.
          Webcomics require you to not only invest your time, but to do it for free essentially if you want it to reach anyone. They're not glamorous little projects you can pay people to do and sit back as the bossman and watch the magic happen, you need to put in the effort to make something good, be front facing when your readership says it sucks or get obsessive over it, advertise it to hell and back and actively keep a healthy updating pace if you don't want the thing to get anemic and die off unceremoniously. It's hard work, is what I'm saying, and it's hard work without the benefits of working for someone like a studio (and not to mention little to no money is involved at the start if you're still paying off your student debts like the Boxtown guy 100% is wew)

          This whole time, I thought Boxtown was a new show Hirsch was trying to get off the ground.

  27. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Her tail is stupid long, gonna trip ppl up or hurt herself.

    Do these ppl think about the world they live in? Fricking christ!

  28. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >horny perverts put busty ladies with fat asses and sexual innuendos in cartoons for decades
    >Cinemaphile praises it and misses those good old days
    >guy puts a dingo in his cartoon based on silly balloon animals
    >Cinemaphile clutches their pearls and cries grooming
    I see the internet's irrational furry hateboner is still in full swing, years after cringe culture was dead and buried for strangling artistic creativity and encouraging normalhomosexual conformity

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that what fricking happened

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Find me one show aimed at kids whose main character has been confirmed to be based off on a fictional species whose sole defining trait is essentially being the goblins from Goblin Slayer.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think making something explicitly aimed for kids with the character is the point of contention. Most normal people who aren't pearl clutchers won't give a frick to look into it, and the people who do would just treat it as a silly fun fact otherwise. Bruce Timm made horrendously horny porn with Harley Quinn back in the day, but because BTAS wasn't explicitly meant for kids, most people rightly shrug at that.
      I agree that the guy comes off as more autistically unaware/indignant than anything rather than trying to be a secret groomer, but anyone with half a braincell would play it safe for any project designed explicitly with small children as the audience in mind. It's like how Artoria from FSN or Arcueid from Tsukihime are just kind of accepted as a cool anime heroines to most normies and look over their eroge origins. The current body of work they're in is not meant for literal babies, so most people don't give a frick and just accept what is the text of the current thing they're reading/playing with them. It would look a bit skeevy if TM/Nasu were to try to unironically appeal to small children

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Would you say the same about Tiny Toons/Animaniacs?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          No? Did the staff working on those make a bunch of heinous furry porn beforehand? Were they the stars of early fandom smut zines before their designer went "yeah, let's make this for kids"???
          You're confusing the situation here for fandom produced fetish/smut shit which literally never matters in terms of the actual product looking sus. Otherwise, horse show would not have lived to see the light of day after those first two seasons.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't matter if they did or didn't draw porn of her, what matters is that they deliberately drew a sexualized character on a children's cartoon

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, I'll level with you, anon.
              I'm very lax about where people get their inspiration of if they use their characters for weird fetish shit. When I sit and play a game/read a comic/etc, I try not to let my biases affect my perception of what the author presents me is the intended narrative of the character over whatever heinous fetish shit they make on the side I'd be throwing stones in a glass house otherwise

              It's fricking difficult to not let the biases win out with something made for little babies with characters explicitly designed for fetish fantasies. Like, the dingo character is not sexualized for being attractive like a Minerva Mink, they're sexualized for what they do to others against the female characters' agency. Again, if this was aimed at anything other than small children, this would matter less. If it was something he was just doing as an indie project, great! He's not gonna be beholden to anyone, even if I'd personally think it's distasteful.

              He wants to make a cartoon for small children starring a fetish porn character and have it be sold and worked on by a big studio production.

              I'm sorry, that's just not feasible in any shape or capacity.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who are you to crush a talented man's dreams?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh wait, i'm a fricking moron
                I thought you were talking about Detective Cat

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't believe in censorship, he can draw whatever he wants and put it wherever he wants. But I believe in free speech and therefore I have the right to call him a fricktard for thinking in the middle of a jerk off session
      >hmmm... kids would get a kick out of this little rascal!
      and actually wanting to pitch it in a professional setting

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This argument falls apart immediately because it implies that being attracted to cartoon women is on the same level as being attracted to cartoon animals flattening and/or inflating each other, which is not true by any estimation.

  29. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Furry fandom goes on

    [...]

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You go to /trash/, how about that

  30. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Something about this artstyle reeks of autism, and not just normal furry autism either.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's "cartoonist" autism. Think Benthelooney, that one dude with the belly dancer fetish who's name escapes me, guys who really wanna ape Tex Avery, but lack the actual edge and personality that made Tex Avery stand out. They're a dime a dozen and are usually allergic to anything resembling something either modern or popular, but they'll never actually really get as raunchy as something as Red Hot Riding Hood or as deranged as any Bob Clampett early Looney Tune.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        animator320?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you, that's the guy.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Toon autism is some kind of mental stunt thing, that's why it's unnerving

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s because the art all seems really derivative, but each character seems derived from a completely different style of thing
      >cat guy looks vaguely Animaniacs-ish
      >badger (?) girl (?) looks like a Goof Troop
      >fox woman looks like Slylock Fox run through the bimbofication machine
      >hippo guy just looks like some cereal box mascot
      it’s not just unoriginal, it’s unoriginal to the point where there’s no ‘original’ style working as a sort of mesh or framework for taking all these various influences and mashing them together. Even someone like Bleedman, as autistic as he is, can do that. This just looks like a bunch of schoolkids coming up with mascots for their school paper or something, it’s actually hard to believe they’re meant to be from the same thing.

  31. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    This doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad this show looks or might end up being, but has anyone else noticed that it doesn't seem like people make cartoons with furries AND regular people anymore? Feels like it's mostly one or the other nowadays.
    The only show I think does something similar is Smiling Friends, and those are just weird gremlin things not furries.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Regular Show's a big one. I'd also count Amphibia, We Bare Bears, and Adventure time, but I'm not sure if they match the kind of setting that you're describing

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Regular Show's a big one. I'd also count Amphibia, We Bare Bears, and Adventure time, but I'm not sure if they match the kind of setting that you're describing

      Aren't you both forgetting something?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gumball too, but studios do it all the time. It's individual twitter and tumblr artists that want the strong divide of furry show, not furry show.

  32. 8 months ago
    Camtoonist Productions

    It's interesting how my audience has gone from "explicity for kids" to "small children" to "little babies". It's not good to exaggerate when pushing a real point. If you checked out any of my pages, you'd know my particular idea is aimed at all ages or a family/kids show.

    For those making assumptions, just come and ask about it through emails or something. I'm here to talk about it. I would do more here, but this site, while having some cool and positive stuff, also can be very cynical and dark. Most of this thread is just that.

    Perhaps I can speak more confident about "Benny Dingo" due to my beliefs and what I've talked with others about, but I see nothing wrong with this show idea. The main character's written conception and intent has nothing to do with anything else, despite any likenesses. Those fanboys are not rapists. Yes, they're weird and mischievous, and take advantage of certain other characters in Grey's works, but by definition, nothing they do is rape.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do people think they can just put on someone's name and we'll buy it without question? You sound more like guy than cam, and why would he magically be here when he hasn't posted on Cinemaphile since the incident?

      • 8 months ago
        Camtoonist Productions

        Nah, it's really me. Am I supposed to just be up here posting all the time?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Make a post on the community tab on your channel

  33. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hate to say it but I think LS Mark's pilot is better than this.

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