Any movies where genius/extremely smart characters are actually portrayed appropriately? Without those meme Sherlock Holmes aspects of doing logical jumps or conclusions out of fricking nowhere, or appearing in the end surviving/escaping something totally impossible using his gigabrain? I don't mind a bit of stretch for the sake of a story, but too many times these types get cartoonish and I would like something more well written.
How would you be able to tell?
Poorly written smart characters are typically treated as if they are literally magic, rather than them just engaging in a more logical series of actions. Good example is someone like Gus from Breaking Bad who was borderline clairvoyant at times.
Being high iq is a kind of clairvoyance you can see outcomes
Yes
And good writing will have nods or patterns present to justify them predicting outcomes, bad writing will have Gus randomly just guessing his car had a bomb in it for no reason
What you describe is simple autism
Midwits detected
The Sherlock show was egregious about this because it wasn't just unnaturally good observational skills, it was outright faulty logic. Apparently a master detective can't think of more mundane reasons why a person would ever remove their wedding ring other than adultery.
He has thought about them and ruled them out. But to you average gays it comes across as magic.
Why did he rule them out? Did he read the script?
You are supposed to assume this average gay. Maybe he noticed similar behaviour in the subject like not removing a watch or other israeliteelry and asked himself why he removed his ring. Smart people come up with tonnes of explanation for their observations and rule them out as more evidence trickles in. Average gays don't even have the luxury of entertaining information that goes against their observation and when someone does present this new perspective they cope by calling him a schizo because its either magic or madness.
He didn't rule them out though. Season 4 devotes an episode to this, he just jumps to a conclusion and fits things around it.
He deduces that a guy is a serial killer and then spends the episode trying to prove it, fails and then has a mental breakdown and then lucks out in that he had a back-up plan of just recording and hoping the guy would confess and that he'd be saved.
So where is the contradiction, the guy was a serial killer. Though that is the weakest support for your argument in the weakest episode. I did not like season 4 at all. There are better episodes than that.
searching for bobby fischer
bobby fischer vs the world
little man tate
cry danger (best noir)
thief who comes to dinner
day of the jackal
mad love
beckett
true detective s1
primal fear
kek
Thanks.
House of cards (uk series)
Already watched, but thanks.
Cry Danger is severely underrated, impeccable dialogue. The Gunfighter is another good one from the same screenwriter. He makes an appearance in the second Godfather film, he's pic related
Sign of a low-IQ moron is hating on Gus because of Breaking Bad memes. He is perfectly written. You are a brainlet. Die.
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Sometimes high IQ people seem to have clairvoyant-like abilities because their decision-making process is beyond the comprehension of an avg IQ person. They see solutions and make connections that normal IQ people would never make. Normal IQ people cope by calling it "luck".
This basically
Ok, and that's true, but we're talking strictly from a storytelling and plot POV, just having some guy bullshit his way around everything on screen doesn't make for good storytelling, it's poor writing.
Post the Sherlock vs No Country for Old Men thing
By being smart which you are not. Find another thread.
Lawnmower Man
You can only write someone as smart ad you are right? I'd imagine most of those guys are working stem fields. Not to shit on writers the idea od a genius feels like that weird great man theory stuff
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Op is a mid intelligence and expects “genius” to be more like him do to Dunn and Kruger
I'm moronic. I just enjoy imagining what my life would be if I had more IQ points. I live a comfortable life, make no mistake, but it was totally the product of luck and having good friends more than anything else. lmao
It’s the only way to to enjoy life
big braining is a curse
God help us!!!
>I'm moronic.
Which is why leaps of logic seem so magical to you and you can't even imagine having a complex thought process that can rapidly solve problems and produce results without excessive intermediate steps.
I'm not sure I agree. I don't think intelligent people's advantage comes in the spot, but more like during the learning experience. They are capable of processing information faster and thus chunking it to memory more reliably and effectively. So when they are in that scenario of having to apply what they learned, they are quick to react, but they need to learn it well first, at least from similar contexts. It's the famous case of IQ being similar to bandwidth capacity.
That's why I think the Sherlock Holmes case is lame. If you slow down a genius thinking process, he's not going case-by-case live, shifting contexts, considering different pathways etc on the spot, he already did that before by studying and practicing a good amount.
Yea and gus had seen a lot of cars get bombed and a lot of drug dealers try to rise the ranks which gave him the proper paranoia to know when it was coming based on tense interpersonal relationships, but to the view it just seems magical because there weren't there for his entire rise to power, so they don't know the breadth of knowledge he has acquired for the it over the years.
What Gus has to do with this? I didn't mention him at all.
Oh, I see. I'm not
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So he never used a car beforehand? The point is that the scene's timing is moronic, Walt started plotting against Gus and at the same time Gus predicted there was a car bomb?
>So he never used a car beforehand?
Not one rigged with a bomb because he had seen enough ambitious buttholes blow up their boss to know that walt wasn't taking too kindly to the corrections gus was enforcing.
Wasn't he lured to the hospital by Jesse?
A Beautiful Mind
Lawrence Of Arabia. The dude was a Fellow of All Souls College at Oxford University, so quite literally sat in the ivory towers of academia. The film is based on his accounts of his time in Arabia, and while it’s not 100% accurate, it’s a realistic depiction of a genius in action.
My Dad's cousin is about to be a fellow there next year.
Mr. Robot
Scorpio in Farscape
good example he doesn't ever magically pull some shit out of no-where but in every situation he makes smart choices that make sense given his current knowledge
on top of that he doesn't endlessly go on about how smart he is or spout meaningless techno babble, he acts the way an intelligent person actually does, he stays calm so he can make his decisions with a clear head, he plays the long game and is willing to wait to achieve his objectives, always has back up plans, willing to put himself at risk, willing to be humiliated or cut deals whatever he has to do to get what he wants, another example being his hesitancy to use his superior scarran strength because he understands that such displays will alienate him from other peacekeepers in the long run even if it would make his current task easier, he's probably the smartest written villain in a SciFi show
and show off what he can do which is also smart since they are wary of him and the average peacekeeper doesn't know his limits, yes an all round well written genius character, harveys still better though
Limitless did it the best I've seen.
Limitless is essential midwitcore.
Yes
well done I hope you actually watched it, smiley is the paragon for the legitimate really smart person without being unrealistic
I watched it and Smiley's People, and over time I may give the latter the slightest edge. The theme of aging was simply incredible. Smartest two miniseries ever made, agree?
yes of course having said that gary oldmans smiley was really great too and I hope he does the honorable school boy or at least smileys peoples in the next few years, hes the exact right age
Robocop
Pi is an example
Mathematics is very taxing
I actually preferred the depiction of Holmes/Moriarty in the RDJ films. They weren't great films, mind you, but the script and editing did a great job of setting up exactly *how* people like Holmes and Moriarty are drawing the conclusions that they are, or thinking through the scenarios that they do.
A good example is the scene in the first film where Holmes is taken to the Temple of the Four Orders and he lays out how he pieced together their location from cues taken during the carriage ride, and identified his host through observation of the letters on the desk and decorations about the room.
They also even went out of their way on a few occasions to show how unexpected or serendipitous shit could frick up those plans or lead to mistaken conclusions - Holmes wasn't omnipotent, just observant and experienced.
The BBC series tried to do this, but the writers too often portrayed Holmes as having an encyclopedic knowledge of all facts in the Universe and an omniscient knowledge of supporting details he would have no reason to know about.
>thread about intelligence
>everyone is a fricking genius
Every time. You are all moronic frick ups.
I've tested at 138 and still feel moronic
Kubrick never took an iq test and actually believed himself to not be that intelligent (almost flunked out of high school too). So I take that approach to life. Minus the success, of course.
Idk if people actually saw Columbo but Columbo.
what do you mean? I'm high IQ and I'm constantly discombobulating motherfrickers